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Title: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 10:21:29 AM
Sirs, i would really appreciate, if only a couple of you would play the game for a fight. All i see is pick n run, BnZ n run, HO n run. I dont even mind theese anymore, but the "n run" part of it... Its no fun, you wont get a kill, nor do i, just wasting each others time.
Edit. I fly the worst fighter in game, no need to run, im an easy kill.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 30, 2011, 10:26:55 AM
 :x
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on March 30, 2011, 10:27:42 AM
G6 isn't the worst fighter.  Sorry but I loled at this.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
G6 isn't the worst fighter.  Sorry but I loled at this.
Ahhhh i understand it now...  its a spit16-killer, outdoes it every way, thats why they run...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on March 30, 2011, 10:40:50 AM
Soon you will learn that no matter how much you complain on the BBS,  no one will fly like you want them to.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Nurminen on March 30, 2011, 10:54:55 AM
Sirs, i would really appreciate, if only a couple of you would play the game for a fight. All i see is pick n run, BnZ n run, HO n run. I dont even mind theese anymore, but the "n run" part of it... Its no fun, you wont get a kill, nor do i, just wasting each others time.
Edit. I fly the worst fighter in game, no need to run, im an easy kill.

Maybe, DA help you.. :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on March 30, 2011, 10:58:23 AM
I see one bite HUR HUR HURRRRRRRR



Karaya a bit over 19,000 posts and I bet half a dozen really contain any substance.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: waystin2 on March 30, 2011, 10:59:37 AM
Ugh.  Look at me look at me  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on March 30, 2011, 11:00:39 AM
Ugh.  Look at me look at me  :rolleyes:

No, look at me  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: waystin2 on March 30, 2011, 11:01:06 AM
No, look at me  :rolleyes:

Wassup Sukov!   :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: EskimoJoe on March 30, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
Ugh.  Look at me look at me  :rolleyes:

No, you're not pretty enough  :neener:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PuppetZ on March 30, 2011, 11:07:50 AM
Hard to play otherwise. Even If I commit to a turn fight with you within 2 min someone else will come and pick either you or me. And more over, in the MA, it seems it's always 10 to 1 either for us or against us. Hard to fight 10-20 cons at a time with only 2-3 friendly to support, half of which will probably be trying to run anyway. Chances are if I turn on someone, I'll give angle to someone else. Only sound strategy is to run. Anything else is not fighting, it's suicide. It's only a virtual suicide, I know, but I like to approach my sims as close to RL as I can. Getting jumped by an angry mob is not my definition of fighting.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
lol Puppet      its not about when its many vs many. Over the tank town i often find myself in an 1vs1, then running happens.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2011, 11:13:15 AM
When I have no more hope to prevail, I run. I do not continue to turn and watch the enemy slowly getting into positiion for the kill. I do fly to kill, not to get killed. (Though I still regularly fail  ;))


Oh, and LOL too about 109G-6 being "worst fighter" of the game
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PFactorDave on March 30, 2011, 11:15:28 AM
its not about when its many vs many. Over the tank town i often find myself in an 1vs1, then running happens.

I've found that when this happens, breaking off a bit and allowing the runner a chance to re-merge will bring many pilots back to the fight.  

If I am in a 1vs1 fight and feel that I am losing, I may "run" in an attempt to either equalize e-states as much as possible or gain enough separation to re-merge and try again.  I will run with the intent to get away if you pilot wound me or damage my aircraft enough that I feel my ability to fight has been significantly reduced.  I don't feel obligated to provide anyone with a kill.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Latrobe on March 30, 2011, 11:20:11 AM
I fly 25+ENY planes and love killing 5 ENY planes  :P Gets me lots of perks.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DrBone1 on March 30, 2011, 11:20:47 AM
 :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Bruv119 on March 30, 2011, 11:24:24 AM
in respect to the Spit 16's honour I challenge you to ten duels in the DA vs 109 G6. 

No more than that though because you are on my poo poo list.   :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 11:26:42 AM
Geezus here we go   bug off, poo poo listers.
Edit: say me one thing what a g-6 can do better than the spit16, 8 or 9, niki, la5 or 7, ki-84.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DrBone1 on March 30, 2011, 11:29:49 AM
To the Players of the AH community.I wish for you to fly the way i do for 2 weeks  :salute :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 11:31:32 AM
slowly getting horded by some of the many.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Bruv119 on March 30, 2011, 11:31:45 AM
Geezus here we go   bug off, poo poo listers.
Edit: say me one thing what a g-6 can do better than the spit16, 8 or 9, niki, la5 or 7, ki-84.

did you or did you not just claim that you would kill a Spit 16 with ease?  

My sarcasm detector must be broken today   :uhoh

Edit:   crash with more style into the un-concerning tree?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 11:34:51 AM
I did not. Its just sad when they run. Couse g-6 is ÜBER. Outdoes it every way, dont you know?  lol
Edit: bug off, Bruv. Youre on my "poo poo list" too, no need to explain my lameness anymore. Gimme your stik, then talk about my crashing skills.
Edit number 2: waiting for many other members to bug in.
Edit number 3: ok Lusche, youre right, g-6 is the bestest fighter in AH, everyone should run to the hills when it appears. Run for your cartoon lifes!
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: LCADolby on March 30, 2011, 11:35:31 AM
To the Players of the AH community.I wish for you to fly the way i do for 2 weeks  :salute :salute
Just NO!

 :P
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Lusche on March 30, 2011, 11:37:38 AM
Geezus here we go   bug off, poo poo listers.
Edit: say me one thing what a g-6 can do better than the spit16, 8 or 9, niki, la5 or 7, ki-84.

Are these all the fighters AH has? ;)

(btw, G-6 is faster than Spit 9 up to ~10k, faster then N1K at all altitudes and rolls much better than the nikki)

I think nothing else comes close to the P-40B when looking for the "worst fighter" of AH :)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: moot on March 30, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Sopwith Camel.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on March 30, 2011, 12:26:59 PM
Unfortunately, that is the plight of flying a slower, more challenging plane such as the 109G6.  I suggest converting to the K4 full time.  Sacrifice a little bit of maneuverability for a) One shot = fight over and b) The ability to chase down players that try to bow out of the fight after they've lost.  K$, aka Que Money, is the answer to your woes Debrody.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 12:37:07 PM
You may be right, Grizz. Maybe when i get a many member, i would be able to escape before he calls for 5 others to get me.  lol
To Vampire:  sir, youre a brave man, and i respect you. Youre always a good fight and you got me many times, but indeed i never seen you running. <S>
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: VAMPIRE 2? on March 30, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
Sirs, i would really appreciate, if only a couple of you would play the game for a fight. All i see is pick n run, BnZ n run, HO n run. I dont even mind theese anymore, but the "n run" part of it... Its no fun, you wont get a kill, nor do i, just wasting each others time.
Edit. I fly the worst fighter in game, no need to run, im an easy kill.
Take this as my oath to promise and stick out any fight and never to run regardless of the energy state or plane type. But I should ask if this is in exception to being gangtarded.   My p-51 has the checkered nose.    :angel:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: dirtdart on March 30, 2011, 12:42:25 PM
DB... I am with you man... nothing worse than a dude running or diving to ack etc....

I like the g2 a bit more than the 6.  If I catch you on m :saluteaybe we can have some fun.   :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ROX on March 30, 2011, 12:46:57 PM
I see one bite HUR HUR HURRRRRRRR



Karaya a bit over 19,000 posts and I bet half a dozen really contain any substance.

THAT....just dawned on you?  Better late than never. :)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: K-KEN on March 30, 2011, 12:52:51 PM
To the Players of the AH community.I wish for you to fly the way i do for 2 weeks  :salute :salute

I don't have skills....what other options do I have?  :)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Krupinski on March 30, 2011, 01:11:38 PM
Debrody makes a valid point, the G6 is outclassed by alot of planes and makes escaping from an on coming horde or catching and making a runstang turn that much harder for him than for those of us who fly K$'s and Spit16/8s.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: klingan on March 30, 2011, 01:23:34 PM
Debrody I think you have killed me plenty of times  :cry

Maybe I should start to run more often  :D
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 01:26:01 PM
Klingan, i cant remember killing you...  but i do remember you killing me in your ki-84  <S>  Those were nice fights, sir. I wish everyone would fight like you.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: klingan on March 30, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
Klingan, i cant remember killing you...  but i do remember you killing me in your ki-84  <S>  Those were nice fights, sir. I wish everyone would fight like you.

Oh im pretty sure you chewed me up a couple of times.
And people that fight like me tend to die a LOT  :D
<S> Debrody

 :cheers:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: waystin2 on March 30, 2011, 01:43:08 PM
I fly 25+ENY planes and love killing 5 ENY planes  :P Gets me lots of perks.

Or what about bombing 5 ENY vehicles with a 10 ENY plane?  ;)

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PuppetZ on March 30, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
lol Puppet      its not about when its many vs many. Over the tank town i often find myself in an 1vs1, then running happens.

Yeah. I think I get your point. Happens to me all the times even against stragler from a horde. And I cant run from anything in my A6M5 either or when I fly my F4U gear down.  :lol
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 30, 2011, 02:04:56 PM
you just have to make yourself look weak and unassuming..... bit hard when they can see the 109 Icon though, as you don't know what variation you get till you are closer...and I am sure many get a puckered feeling when they see 109 as a lot who use them, do so well.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: The Fugitive on March 30, 2011, 02:10:48 PM
I fight until the fights over, one plane or the other down. That's what I thought this game was about, combat. There is "win" and there is "lose". "Run away because I lost all my advantages" isn't one the list as far as I'm concerned.

Grizz, having him jump into a K4 so he can catch his foes isn't an answer, itks the problem. Most people count on winning in their late war monsters and don't know what to do when someone comes along in a G6 and turns the tables on them, so they run.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 02:15:29 PM
Good point there, Tongs, thank you. To tell the truth, never thought about it. In this ride, one mistake and youre in the tower with rolleyes. Its very demanding to look lame then suddenly get them with oone über move, even more difficult in an inferior ride. But will work on it.  <S>
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 02:33:33 PM
Debrody makes a valid point, the G6 is outclassed by alot of planes and makes escaping from an on coming horde or catching and making a runstang turn that much harder for him than for those of us who fly K$'s and Spit16/8s.

 :aok :aok I used to fly the G14 and the G2 a lot. This is one of the reasons I switched to the k4. Before, most people would run away as soon as the overshot, with the k4 its harder for them to do so.

Also, the plane ride make a huge factor, almost no one flys a g6, so if you see a g6 its probably debrody. Furthermore, there are many good sticks that fly the 109 due it being hard to fly but capable in  an environment full of spit 16s, p51s & 190d9s.

I feel you though, nothing is lamer that some one who commits to a fight only to run when they loose the adv and are hoping one of their 30+ friends are going to pick you. I mean we have unlimited lives so there is no consequence for loosing, and most of you have no chance at dislodging SHAWK, Grizz or Baba from the number 1 fighter slot.

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 30, 2011, 02:38:33 PM
Good point there, Tongs, thank you. To tell the truth, never thought about it. In this ride, one mistake and youre in the tower with rolleyes. Its very demanding to look lame then suddenly get them with oone über move, even more difficult in an inferior ride. But will work on it.  <S>

Has nothing to do with one uber move man ( I can't do uber if I try :lol :lol).....it is purely getting the con over confident (in reality you are not giving them any real advantage...maybe a little alt but this will be nullified by their overcofidence....let them have a few passes at you to judge their ability (guns, how long their string is etc) then give them a bit of a bigger bite (by now you will have an Idea of what D. you can allow them) then pounce when they bite....this does get me killed and 2-3 teamed a lot but they do come in and fight...and although your ride is a earlier war model...you do still have the advantage of up over many rides...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: lulu on March 30, 2011, 02:38:49 PM
Debrody,

I don't agree with you but I AGREE with you !!!


 ...  smoke, smoke ! AAh, good !!!

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: MickDono on March 30, 2011, 02:41:03 PM
Lulu you are my hero
 :banana:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 30, 2011, 02:43:38 PM
Debrody,

I don't agree with you but I AGREE with you !!!


 ...  smoke, smoke ! AAh, good !!!



and here I was thinking it was due to a translation program that lulu's post were sometimes hard to decipher...now I know the real truth  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: JUGgler on March 30, 2011, 02:44:46 PM
lol Puppet      its not about when its many vs many. Over the tank town i often find myself in an 1vs1, then running happens.

Running doesn't bug me at all, if you are able to run it means I did not entice you enough to "grab a good hold" and sodomize you ;) It is the ones that run and run untill you are engaged with another, returning to pick you that I think is seriously lame. These hyenas scurry back like verminous little poo lickers to claim a victory they never earned!

If you run "no matter" if it is merely to extend for E or just a "straight-up" "skirt lifting" scamper, to me you conceded defeat in that engagement. In other words you are the "1st loser"  ;)


If you are running with no intention of re-engaging unless by chance you get help then please move on to another fight or wait your turn! YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN UP BY RUNNING in the 1st place, please be decisive somewhere in your life!


If you manage to run to survive and intend on fleeing no matter if help shows up or not I  :salute you

If you run and return only when you have help "I PISS ON YOU"  :old:


JUGgler
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on March 30, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
Egos <3.  I have some extra big bubble cannopys if anyone needs one.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: W7LPNRICK on March 30, 2011, 02:57:49 PM
Whe I'm in my 110, I want people to slow down in front of me & stay off my 6!   :rofl :bolt:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: perdue3 on March 30, 2011, 02:58:13 PM
I see one bite HUR HUR HURRRRRRRR



Karaya a bit over 19,000 posts and I bet half a dozen really contain any substance.

Ha
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 30, 2011, 02:59:43 PM
Egos <3.  I have some extra big bubble cannopys if anyone needs one.

Says the man with the tom cruise, top gun avatar  :D :lol :lol
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 03:17:30 PM
Juggler got it. Nothing can piss me off more when i get on a ponys six in 2 turns, then he extends as long as i give it up "eh, run, play with yourself", turn back to look for another opponent, then he comes back, i get his six in another 2 turns, then repeat. This happens a lot in the MA, not only with ponies, not only with BnZer rides. Its definiately timid and a lame thing to do. Just wasting each others time.
For those who run until they get 3 other cons to help him, then suddenly find their balls... the only thing i can say, a 5 years old girls is braver than you!
Lulu, what you wanted to say?? If i can remember, you were the one running from the 1v1 in your spit16 then coming back when you got help...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SHUKES on March 30, 2011, 03:18:12 PM
To the Players of the AH community.I wish for you to fly the way i do for 2 weeks  :salute :salute
i would, but i still suck> :frown:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2011, 03:28:05 PM
Whew...  Thank heavens you created this post, Debrody.

Since nobody else has ever made a post like this, running away from fights has gone unabated in the main arenas.  Now that this post has cured the running problem, we can all rest easier knowing that all people are now going to dive into crowds and turnfight until they die all the time.  Hmm...  Based on that thought, you might want to start composing your 'I'm sick of being gangbanged' post, so you can solve that problem as well.

Thank you, Debrody.  You truly are a man among men.  :salute

Wiley.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: MickDono on March 30, 2011, 03:32:20 PM
Hmm...  Based on that thought, you might want to start composing your 'I'm sick of being gangbanged' post,

Im pretty sure he has already done so :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 03:38:03 PM
Whew...  Thank heavens you created this post, Debrody.

Since nobody else has ever made a post like this, running away from fights has gone unabated in the main arenas.  Now that this post has cured the running problem, we can all rest easier knowing that all people are now going to dive into crowds and turnfight until they die all the time.  Hmm...  Based on that thought, you might want to start composing your 'I'm sick of being gangbanged' post, so you can solve that problem as well.

Thank you, Debrody.  You truly are a man among men.  :salute

Wiley.

Wiley must rely on the behavior that debrody is outlining for his kills, and we are still not sure what MickDono is trying to do.  Maybe trying to recruit Wiley into the few's 4th or 5th wing?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 03:39:19 PM
Thanks, Wiley and mick, i really appreciate it, Sirs   :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Yenny on March 30, 2011, 03:46:04 PM
I think players just gotta put stuff into perspective. Like a Spitty is not gunna expect a 190 to turnfight with it. My flying style depends on the plane I fly. If I'm in a 109, I'll tnb with everything under all circumstances. If i'm in a 190, you'll find me around 2k above a furball clearing sixs. I will always ask if it's a 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 if the friendly needs help, if he doesn't I'll leave him be. Though in a furball situation it's always fair game. Do I run in a 190, hell yea I do, especially when it's 1 vs multiples. If it's a 1 v 1 on a fair term, I'll duke it out in any plane.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2011, 03:57:20 PM
Wiley must rely on the behavior that debrody is outlining for his kills,

Not particularly, I fly to live but I rarely run from a 1v1.  I just think it's worthy of derision when people who fly slow, twisty planes get into a snit because people won't play to their plane's strengths.

Wiley.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 04:08:25 PM
Not particularly, I fly to live but I rarely run from a 1v1.  I just think it's worthy of derision when people who fly slow, twisty planes get into a snit because people won't play to their plane's strengths.

Wiley.

Or you can kill them at they're own game... and out angle their ride with a less turny ride and watch them whine and call you a cheater, etc...

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: lulu on March 30, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Dear Debrody,

"Lulu, what you wanted to say?? If i can remember, you were the one running from the 1v1 in your spit16 then coming back when you got help..."


This is really, really uncorrect.

Two reason.

First, you act in the same way many time (2 109 vs me and you was one of the 2 and it was 2 109 down - another time same situation 1 109 down and you got me)

Second, in this 2 weeks you suck very bad and i kicked your donut  many time also if i was a bit outnumbered.

I sustain my fight until it is possible.

If i came back it is to help. And then?

I said that:

I don't agree with you (because every players has their way of playing this game and it iw not altered fortunately ) but i agree with you (because i also have the proble you point out. For example, I was duel with a p38 when a p51 shot me down)


Come on Debrody today you down and tomorrow ...  you will be down again by me.    :D


... smoke, smooke !!! Really good !


 :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: FiLtH on March 30, 2011, 04:25:06 PM
 Goto the DA not many runners, some but compared to MA its great.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 04:30:19 PM
Geez lulu, your version of the truth amazes me.
In my opinion youre a timid spit16 pilot who dont even have balls to duel me, in the same ride, but had balls to throw crap on me after got me in your spit, when i was outnubered. Plus i really like your statements about what happened. I hate you and i dont wanna hear you again. Play with yourself, have fun.

Edit: Filth, thank you Sir, DA can be pretty much fun sometimes.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
Someone should make a collection of lu-lus posts... his statements remind me of Charo's unintelligible statements.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Delirium on March 30, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
I think it is great to see someone fly the 109G6 full time, they are very rare in the MA. Granted, it isn't a late war K4 monster, but it has character.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Tr1gg22 on March 30, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
Or you can kill them at they're own game... and out angle their ride with a less turny ride and watch them whine and call you a cheater, etc...


  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2011, 04:52:36 PM
I'm not one to call somebody down for ESL, as it's a helluva lot better than my Italian or Spanish or 'Not English', but Lulu's posts are particularly difficult to decode.  Ah well, usually the spirit of what he's saying comes through, if some of the specifics can get kind of hazy. :)

Wiley.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 05:01:37 PM
I'm not one to call somebody down for ESL, as it's a helluva lot better than my Italian or Spanish or 'Not English', but Lulu's posts are particularly difficult to decode.  Ah well, usually the spirit of what he's saying comes through, if some of the specifics can get kind of hazy. :)

Wiley.

I'm sure his English is better than my knowledge of his native tung but it appears more to be an issue of substance than grammar and that leads me to think its not just a language barrier.... not sure though...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Wiley on March 30, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
I believe it's a distinct possibility his posts are a scathing indictment of Google Translate moreso than the content, though I could be wrong. :)

Wiley.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: BERN1 on March 30, 2011, 05:06:51 PM
To the Players of the AH community.I wish for you to fly the way i do for 2 weeks  :salute :salute
I wish to fly like you always not for a mere two weeks :rock
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 05:07:56 PM
I believe it's a distinct possibility his posts are a scathing indictment of Google Translate moreso than the content, though I could be wrong. :)

Wiley.

lol possibly....
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2011, 05:37:59 PM
I don't care how one fights, if you want to E fight or Angles fight, go for it and have fun.  The problem I have are the ones that don't want to fight and will do whatever they can to avoid a fight that might put them at risk and instead just wait and pick when someone is engaged and then run when faced with the prospect of having to fight.  Those are the players I hate wasting fuel and time on and frankly, those kind of players (and we've seen a few of them post in this thread) really don't have any business playing a PvP centric game when the mere thought of PvP frightens the dickens out of them.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 30, 2011, 05:39:59 PM
I don't care how one fights, if you want to E fight or Angles fight, go for it and have fun.  The problem I have are the ones that don't want to fight and will do whatever they can to avoid a fight that might put them at risk and instead just wait and pick when someone is engaged and then run when faced with the prospect of having to fight.  Those are the players I hate wasting fuel and time on and frankly, those kind of players (and we've seen a few of them post in this thread) really don't have any business playing a PvP centric game when the mere thought of PvP frightens the dickens out of them.

ack-ack

I remember a certain individual in a p51 you and I were chasing one night who was perpetually going higher until we were all over 30k in TT.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Reaper90 on March 30, 2011, 05:45:07 PM
i was a bit outnumbered.

LOL. I don't know about Debrody's run-ins with you lulu, but the 3 times I've ever come across you, I've gotten you once and you've gotten me twice, and all 3 times you were nowhere to be seen until there were about 10 enemies swarming me, then you dropped in with your dweeb-16 to pick me as I was low and slow fighting someone else.

The one time I got you I defeathered your tail as you were trying to pick a fellow knight... in the same big furball in which you guys had at least a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage numerically.

So basically I'm sayin..... I've never seen you fight unless you had huge help/horde/gang.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 30, 2011, 05:49:38 PM
PFactorDave, Tongs, thank you for your advice!
I could bait the most pathetic pony i have ever seen, using the tactics you mentioned. I bet he is still laughing at me and thinks im an amazing noob, i looked soo lame...
 :salute sirs
Debrody
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 30, 2011, 06:02:01 PM
some time ago I would put myself in 1v1 fights in the MA evrytime ,but after fighting 1 or 2 minutes , there´s come the cavalry and u screwd, so now when I want 1vs1 fights I go to DA. some rare times I go 1v1 in MA if:
 *im not in a base take mish (very rare)
 *Im not needed by my squad somewere else (rare)
 *only if we are far away from enmy or friendly bases
 *if we are in medium alts so me or you have space to run off from enmyes that may come and break the party  :devil
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: The Jekyll on March 30, 2011, 06:02:35 PM
Come here Debrody,,,I must Keel U   :banana:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2011, 06:11:51 PM
some time ago I would put myself in 1v1 fights in the MA evrytime ,but after fighting 1 or 2 minutes , there´s come the cavalry and u screwd, so now when I want 1vs1 fights I go to DA. some rare times I go 1v1 in MA if:
 *im not in a base take mish (very rare)
 *Im not needed by my squad somewere else (rare)
 *only if we are far away from enmy or friendly bases
 *if we are in medium alts so me or you have space to run off from enmyes that may come and break the party  :devil

I thought it was a violation of vDOGFITE's standing orders not to engage in 1v1 fights because the vGuys don't possess the necessary skills and testicle fortitude to engage in such activities? 

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 30, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
I thought it was a violation of vDOGFITE's standing orders not to engage in 1v1 fights because the vGuys don't possess the necessary skills and testicle fortitude to engage in such activities? 
  :huh :eek: :lol
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 30, 2011, 10:14:14 PM
THAT....just dawned on you?  Better late than never. :)

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240767.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240767.0.html)

Your glass house just shattered.   :banana:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on March 30, 2011, 10:18:19 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240767.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240767.0.html)

Your glass house just shattered.   :banana:

Which of the 32 pages should I reference?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DrBone1 on March 30, 2011, 10:22:14 PM
I wish to fly like you always not for a mere two weeks :rock
I am always up for winging hit me up ingame  :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DrBone1 on March 30, 2011, 10:23:48 PM
i would, but i still suck> :frown:
We had a great tangle in BoG not sure if you recall that but you and Jollyfe i believe gave me a great fight.Anytime you wanna hit the DA i can give some pointers  :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 30, 2011, 10:33:06 PM
Which of the 32 pages should I reference?

Any of which he posted on.    Some classic stuff in there from him.     :rock
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on March 30, 2011, 10:43:16 PM
Any of which he posted on.    Some classic stuff in there from him.     :rock

Most definitely classic 2008 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 30, 2011, 11:54:12 PM
Any of which he posted on.    Some classic stuff in there from him.     :rock

Rich46yo posted some gems in that thread as well, must have been friends with ol' Roxie.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: dev41 on March 31, 2011, 12:32:29 AM
DeBrody, I agree with the gist of your post although I would imagine that we have all sinned at one time or another in this regard.

Juggler, I found your post to be enlightening and will now have to review my own fighting ethics since I probably have run and returned in a way that is unsporting. I haven't decided if I fully agree or disagree with it, but I will definitely be giving it some thought.

...on the other hand I also can appreciate Lusche's point as well. Perhaps it really depends on how and why you get satisfaction from this game. Some people prefer to fight and others prefer to survive. I am not sure one is better than the other, but I prefer to fight so I tend to be more sympathetic to DeBrody's point. Of course, I die a lot more than I would if I flew with a primary aim of survival.

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 12:39:03 AM
As a new player I have two options. I can attempt to maneuver with the enemy and hope he is bad and I win. I also have to hope that nobody else is near him as I make myself a big slow turning target in my P38. Or I can HO him and attempt to end the fight instantly and it doesn't matter how skilled the enemy is (not true, some people can merge without me being able to get guns on them) and I also get to keep my speed up in case there are any other enemies around. I have no way of knowing what I'm doing wrong when trying to maneuver against an older player so attempting to do so is pointless because I won't learn anything from the encounter. This is evidenced by the fact that I tried to fight FLS yesterday in the TA but lost very badly every single time and he has no way of telling me what to do to fix it and I have no way of figuring it out myself (other than spending years beating my head into the wall, which isn't an option IMO because I can have fun now by HOing or BnZing).
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 12:42:23 AM
Well, to tell the truth, a lot of the vdudes are only can fight as long as they have more E than you, and dont know any other move than the loop.
But in the other hand, a couple days ago vWoodi gave me an excellent fight. I could turn a bit better(110g), he could climb better(c205), it was an energy-fight, but was the most fun. When he lost his advantage, he tryed to gain more due to ACMs, and he did it successfully. When he finally ran out of energy, he wasnt running away but started the rolling scissors and tryed to overshoot me. I never could hit him.
I respect and <S> him. A lot of guys could learn from his fighting spirit.

Edit: if you never fight when the chances are (almost) even, you will never learn what to do when not you are the one with more energy.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: dev41 on March 31, 2011, 12:48:34 AM
Hoff, I empathize with you considerably. I have flown for a little over a year now and it was not long ago at all that I felt the same way that you do. I will say that if you make the commitment to put away the HO shot (okay, okay I still use it occassionally) that you will find ways to get kills. There were many times when I had no idea how I got killed or where the enemy con was that was shooting me, but over time I began to figure it out. I still die (a lot), but at least I usually know why I am dying now. If you are not in a squad I would recommend that you find one. Many will take you and help you learn (JG77 is an option if you like Luftwaffe planes). I didn't want to fly in a squad for a long time, but I know that my flying has improved by being around others and learning with them. But, even if you choose not to go this route, just be commited to learning and having fun. While there have been many nights of frustration and pain (virtual) the satisfaction when I finally get something right or manage to get on someones six is exhilirating (especially if I manage to land my shots too). Anyhow, stick with it, find some friends and you will get through the initial period. What comes next I cannot say, but I am sure some of the better players can fill in that part.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 01:00:53 AM
To be honest, I don't think that joining a squad would be a good idea. I find that when I'm flying with a squad I get sloppy and stop worrying about SA and such because I'm with the horde. When I fly solo I have to constantly be looking out for enemies and don't have anyone to back me up if I mess up. I can't just drag and bag all day when I'm flying solo. I agree that I need someone to help me out, but I've done my research and learn really quickly, and for someone to help me out would require a lot of time on their part. I'd need them to give me specific things that I do wrong like, "you need to drop flaps here," etc. I know when I do stupid things, mostly because I get bored of people running away all day so I'll enter a fight with a significant disadvantage. It's the little things that I don't know about and it's those little things that make all the difference in a rolling scissors fight.

It's way more fun for me to up in a mossie or 190 and just BnZ or HO than it is for me to beat my head into the wall constantly by trying to maneuver against people without knowing what I'm doing wrong. Like I said, I could spend months to years learning it myself, but I'm playing to have fun, and I can have fun right now by BnZ and HO.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: dev41 on March 31, 2011, 01:07:20 AM
Hoff, good enough then. As long as you are having fun there is certainly no right way to play this game despite what many will say. I play my way and others play theirs and as far as I am concerned it is all good. I will point out that not all squads are hordes, however, but no matter I get what you are saying and as I said I don't think there is a right or wrong way to go about it.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: moot on March 31, 2011, 01:10:48 AM
I have no way of knowing what I'm doing wrong when trying to maneuver against an older player so attempting to do so is pointless because I won't learn anything from the encounter.
You do, film it and either glean something on your own or post it on the forum along with what you can make of it.  Even if that's not much or if it doesn't make sense, someone will "debug" it for you.  And showing that you made an effort to try and make sense of it will only improve your chances of motivating someone to help you.

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This is evidenced by the fact that I tried to fight FLS yesterday in the TA but lost very badly every single time and he has no way of telling me what to do to fix it and I have no way of figuring it out myself (other than spending years beating my head into the wall, which isn't an option IMO because I can have fun now by HOing or BnZing).
You don't have to go full blown ballerina with ACM, you only need to figure out how to not get killed so that you can pack more HOing/BNZing fun into your sorties.  Sometimes there isn't great chemistry between teacher/peer and student/peer, so maybe try another trainer, or try again with FLS?  Maybe he just wasn't having a good day.

If you're up for it you can PM me in the game anytime, I'll come to the DA or TA with you and try and help out.  Or ask anyone who you think is doing what you want to do better than you are.  No harm in asking..
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 01:13:31 AM
I'd love to learn how to actually fly, but it's hard to find trainers on in the TA. I've had a lot of people offer to fly with me in MA, but after flying with them I haven't learned anything at all. Flying with a trainer in the TA helped a little, but not really a whole lot, it was mostly just a humbling experience. I really don't know how to progress at this point, so I might as well have fun until a way to learn how to fly presents itself.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 01:14:54 AM
You do, film it and either glean something on your own or post it on the forum along with what you can make of it.  Even if that's not much or if it doesn't make sense, someone will "debug" it for you.  And showing that you made an effort to try and make sense of it will only improve your chances of motivating someone to help you.
You don't have to go full blown ballerina with ACM, you only need to figure out how to not get killed so that you can pack more HOing/BNZing fun into your sorties.  Sometimes there isn't great chemistry between teacher/peer and student/peer, so maybe try another trainer, or try again with FLS?  Maybe he just wasn't having a good day.

If you're up for it you can PM me in the game anytime, I'll come to the DA or TA with you and try and help out.

I'll definitely take you up on that offer when I get a chance to get back in game.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 31, 2011, 02:10:22 AM
I'd love to learn how to actually fly, but it's hard to find trainers on in the TA. I've had a lot of people offer to fly with me in MA, but after flying with them I haven't learned anything at all. Flying with a trainer in the TA helped a little, but not really a whole lot, it was mostly just a humbling experience. I really don't know how to progress at this point, so I might as well have fun until a way to learn how to fly presents itself.


not sure when you are on but if you see me on give us a shout...not sure why it was a humbling experience with a trainer as you should have been shown things to help and try out in the MA's...what happened with your trainer???

I am not a trainer but I'm sure I could run through a few things that could help you out a little...I offer this because you are saying that there are no trainers and the people that are offering help on the boards are not about so perhaps you fly nearer my time zone
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 02:12:09 AM
I'm a night owl so I tend to play anywhere from 6pm CST to 2am CST.

Also, it was humbling because I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong and he couldn't tell me without viewing film of my cockpit apparently, so I just ended up losing a whole bunch without really learning anything other than I can't compete right now.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 31, 2011, 02:14:37 AM
I'm a night owl so I tend to play anywhere from 6pm CST to 2am CST.

Also, it was humbling because I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong and he couldn't tell me without viewing film of my cockpit apparently, so I just ended up losing a whole bunch without really learning anything other than I can't compete right now.
what is your time now? 2:15 am ?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 02:27:19 AM
what is your time now? 2:15 am ?

Yea, this week I've been staying up late to watch the Starcraft 2 world championships in Korea (yea yea, I'm a huge nerd, I know) and they come on at 4am my time.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilz on March 31, 2011, 05:30:00 AM
not much here moving along  :banana:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 31, 2011, 06:19:04 AM
not much here moving along  :banana:

 :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: FLS on March 31, 2011, 06:53:58 AM
This is evidenced by the fact that I tried to fight FLS yesterday in the TA but lost very badly every single time and he has no way of telling me what to do to fix it and I have no way of figuring it out myself (other than spending years beating my head into the wall, which isn't an option IMO because I can have fun now by HOing or BnZing).

The first 2 merges you didn't want to hear anything, you were sure you knew what you did wrong. Finally I got your attention and you asked what I was doing. I told you what I did to beat you and I suggested you film it to see for yourself. I mentioned film 3 times and you never bothered to turn it on in 50 minutes of merge practice. I also explained in another thread what I did and what you needed to do. You need to lag and keep your speed up. I don't mind if you just want quick results but if you want to learn ACM training is available.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Bruv119 on March 31, 2011, 06:58:15 AM
hoff you think that any veteran of this game or other flying games hasn't spent their first few years banging their head against a wall??

some keep banging it,  some get it, some log off frustrated.   But don't try and insult those that have tried to help you.  :uhoh


Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 31, 2011, 07:03:40 AM
The first 2 merges you didn't want to hear anything, you were sure you knew what you did wrong. Finally I got your attention and you asked what I was doing. I told you what I did to beat you and I suggested you film it to see for yourself. I mentioned film 3 times and you never bothered to turn it on in 50 minutes of merge practice. I also explained in another thread what I did and what you needed to do. You need to lag and keep your speed up. I don't mind if you just want quick results but if you want to learn ACM training is available.

It's a shame he didn't want to listen to you.     
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 07:20:33 AM
You, trainers, must have endless patience   :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Getback on March 31, 2011, 07:28:11 AM
Debroedy is a a past KOTH winner. I wouldn't fight him either  :lol


I was bnz'd almost to death at 233 last night. Still caught 3 who erred in their endeavor. Several times I could almost be certain I was dead and yet they missed. I think an f4u4 and a chog both floated in on me several times. When they float in you know you're in trouble. Once I didn't see one and he missed, whew! Tough to watch them all.

Akelfy gave me a good lesson uhg!. Nice flying though. I'm thinking about what I could have done better on that one.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Oldman731 on March 31, 2011, 08:00:47 AM
As a new player I have two options. I can attempt to maneuver with the enemy and hope he is bad and I win. I also have to hope that nobody else is near him as I make myself a big slow turning target in my P38. Or I can HO him and attempt to end the fight instantly and it doesn't matter how skilled the enemy is (not true, some people can merge without me being able to get guns on them) and I also get to keep my speed up in case there are any other enemies around. I have no way of knowing what I'm doing wrong when trying to maneuver against an older player so attempting to do so is pointless because I won't learn anything from the encounter. This is evidenced by the fact that I tried to fight FLS yesterday in the TA but lost very badly every single time and he has no way of telling me what to do to fix it and I have no way of figuring it out myself (other than spending years beating my head into the wall, which isn't an option IMO because I can have fun now by HOing or BnZing).

Is this a serious post?

- oldman (having more and more trouble telling the jokers apart these days)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: captain1ma on March 31, 2011, 08:37:19 AM
As a new player I have two options. I can attempt to maneuver with the enemy and hope he is bad and I win. I also have to hope that nobody else is near him as I make myself a big slow turning target in my P38. Or I can HO him and attempt to end the fight instantly and it doesn't matter how skilled the enemy is (not true, some people can merge without me being able to get guns on them) and I also get to keep my speed up in case there are any other enemies around. I have no way of knowing what I'm doing wrong when trying to maneuver against an older player so attempting to do so is pointless because I won't learn anything from the encounter. This is evidenced by the fact that I tried to fight FLS yesterday in the TA but lost very badly every single time and he has no way of telling me what to do to fix it and I have no way of figuring it out myself (other than spending years beating my head into the wall, which isn't an option IMO because I can have fun now by HOing or BnZing).

wow, HO'ing is now ACM? wow! this is a perfect example of what NOT to be like!
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: RufusLeaking on March 31, 2011, 09:12:00 AM
On the OP, this one-HO-pass-and-run stuff, the some call ‘smart,’ is very boring. But, it is their $15.

I like the g2 a bit more than the 6.  If I catch you on m :saluteaybe we can have some fun.   :salute
The G-2 has the cool black and white skin. Though, yesterday, I upped a G-6 to rapidly climb to incoming P-51s/190s and a single annoying Yak-9.

I can attempt to maneuver with the enemy and hope he is bad and I win.
Coming up on three years in game, and this describes almost every merge.

I also have to hope that nobody else is near him as I make myself a big slow turning target in my P38.
Fly something other than a P-38 . . .  :bolt:

Or I can HO him and attempt to end the fight instantly and it doesn't matter how skilled the enemy is (not true, some people can merge without me being able to get guns on them) and I also get to keep my speed up in case there are any other enemies around.
HO’ing is the dark side. Easier, faster. (Yes, I’ve been watching Star Wars.) I’ll HO only when I am frustrated by serial HO’s. It should not be one of your first choices.

I'm a night owl so I tend to play anywhere from 6pm CST to 2am CST.

Also, it was humbling because I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong and he couldn't tell me without viewing film of my cockpit apparently, so I just ended up losing a whole bunch without really learning anything other than I can't compete right now.
On a serious note, I am on frequently around those times. PM me, and I will wing up with you. I can help with the left, right, up, down stuff of basic flight. I am still trying to figure out gunnery and jabo.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 09:39:36 AM
Well... hoing is wrong. Why?
We play for fun. Expect two players, upping from their base, they fly 7 mins only to head on. Where is the fun? One will die and the other can spend other 7 mins straight flying to go home. Even tho yes, i will head on or make every pass on you if im seriously outnumbered and have no chance to escape.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: waystin2 on March 31, 2011, 09:53:46 AM
Even tho yes, i will head on or make every pass on you if im seriously outnumbered and have no chance to escape.

Please understand that my comments are not personal.  A HO is a HO regardless of quantity of enemy involved.  I personally avoid them at all costs by the way, simply for survival and not for ethical, moral, or honorable reasons.  I have always wondered about those who have varying degrees of HO'ing.  It is is either a head on pass (nose to nose with both pilots having firing solutions) or it is not.  So why make a distinction on when a HO is acceptable or not?   It is still a HO, right?  :headscratch:

 :salute

Way
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 09:57:11 AM
The first 2 merges you didn't want to hear anything, you were sure you knew what you did wrong. Finally I got your attention and you asked what I was doing. I told you what I did to beat you and I suggested you film it to see for yourself. I mentioned film 3 times and you never bothered to turn it on in 50 minutes of merge practice. I also explained in another thread what I did and what you needed to do. You need to lag and keep your speed up. I don't mind if you just want quick results but if you want to learn ACM training is available.

I wasn't trying to insult you or anything FLS, I appreciated the help. The first two merges were bad, I ended up way behind because you went straight up and I kept coming around and ended up with less E and therefore got roped (I think I started out with less E too). I realized this, which was why I said I knew what I did wrong. When you told me you were doing lag pursuit I tried to do that as well, first by using flaps and getting slow (which obviously didn't work) and then by staying fast. Both times I ended up dying easily. I asked how you were turning inside me at the time and you mentioned that you would have to look at the film, which I thought meant that you were recording it and is why I didn't record. Again, I wasn't trying to insult you, I was simply stating my experience, I appreciated the attempt at helping me.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 10:00:21 AM
Well... hoing is wrong. Why?
We play for fun. Expect two players, upping from their base, they fly 7 mins only to head on. Where is the fun? One will die and the other can spend other 7 mins straight flying to go home. Even tho yes, i will head on or make every pass on you if im seriously outnumbered and have no chance to escape.

Why do you want to turn in a Spit vs. a 190D? Why do you want to BnZ with a 190D vs. a Spit? You are using the strengths of the plane to your advantage and trying to stay away from the weaknesses. Being a new player, maneuvering is akin to trying to turn with a Spit while flying a 190D.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: lulu on March 31, 2011, 10:07:12 AM
"Geez lulu, your version of the truth amazes me.
In my opinion youre a timid spit16 pilot who dont even have balls to duel me, in the same ride, but had balls to throw crap on me after got me in your spit, when i was outnubered. Plus i really like your statements about what happened. I hate you and i dont wanna hear you again. Play with yourself, have fun."


It's sad to hear that you hate me. Hate is the root to the DARK SIDE of the Force.   :old:


Or in effect does you act as Bad Bob?

In that case:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjIc3qLPds&feature=related


 :neener:


Title: Re: To the players
Post by: FLS on March 31, 2011, 10:20:40 AM
I wasn't insulted Hoff. I just wanted to clarify what happened for any readers who were considering training. I wouldn't want them to think I can't explain ACM. I like to start with a variety of merges just to see what you currently know. This helps me to help you.

I told you at the time that I was using lag pursuit. My comment about looking at film was in response to specific questions on your speed and flaps use. It's sometimes difficult to know exactly what the opponent is doing in a fight and there are details of your flying like G load that would only be recorded on your film and wouldn't show in your aircraft on my film. For what I was hoping to show you, all you need is to look at film trails, pursuit curves and speed.

I'm usually not on so late during the week but next time you see me in the TA we can do it again and your film will make it easier to learn from the session.

 
A 190 can turn with a Spitfire as long as you're at the correct speed.    ;)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 31, 2011, 10:26:26 AM
I wasn't insulted Hoff. I just wanted to clarify what happened for any readers who were considering training. I wouldn't want them to think I can't explain ACM. I like to start with a variety of merges just to see what you currently know. This helps me to help you.

I told you at the time that I was using lag pursuit. My comment about looking at film was in response to specific questions on your speed and flaps use. It's sometimes difficult to know exactly what the opponent is doing in a fight and there are details of your flying like G load that would only be recorded on your film and wouldn't show in your aircraft on my film. For what I was hoping to show you, all you need is to look at film trails, pursuit curves and speed.

I'm usually not on so late during the week but next time you see me in the TA we can do it again and your film will make it easier to learn from the session.

 
A 190 can turn with a Spitfire as long as you're at the correct speed.    ;)

Yep.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PFactorDave on March 31, 2011, 10:28:11 AM
Well, to tell the truth, a lot of the vdudes are only can fight as long as they have more E than you, and dont know any other move than the loop.

I think it is unfair to say this about the vdudes.  As it happens, I fly on the Bishop team, so I have never ever ever fought against a vdude yet.  But I can assure you that there are plenty of Rooks and Knights who also will only fight until their E advantage is gone, then they dive to the deck and run away.  It has come to the point that when I see a P51, 190, or LA, I fully expect to be subjected to endless pick BnZ attempts and then see them running as soon as I am co-E.  It's really tiresome.  I really think that it is unfortunate that so many players in AH feel that to be successful they must fly a LW speed monster and do nothing more then stay alive by putting themselves in as little risk as possible.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 10:37:55 AM
Dave, when i fight with a bishop, i can exactly say if he is a joker-vdude or from an other squad before any of us gets the kill message. There is no skill needed to loop or to run straight. I still get killed by theese type of players, and i never can get them. This playing style is pathetic, tiring and boring. I hear you, sir, anyone who has this behaviour, should play microsoft fligt simulator. He wont get shot down. I have a film now, jak and pony running from me for 10 mins to their ack, then suddenly jump on me when 2 more arrives... sad, very sad.
I mentioned the vdudes couse when they lose their energy advantage, and forget to run, i get them in 1-2 turns, way more easyer than anyone else. Thats not because im good, im lame.
To lulu: im on the dark side, and i alredy stated that i dont wanna see you again.
Edit: got shot down in a 5 mins 5v1, then came the endless LMAO HAHAHAHA  guess who got me? sad
Edit2: Hoff, plz finish the hijack.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on March 31, 2011, 10:50:27 AM
I wasn't insulted Hoff. I just wanted to clarify what happened for any readers who were considering training. I wouldn't want them to think I can't explain ACM. I like to start with a variety of merges just to see what you currently know. This helps me to help you.

I told you at the time that I was using lag pursuit. My comment about looking at film was in response to specific questions on your speed and flaps use. It's sometimes difficult to know exactly what the opponent is doing in a fight and there are details of your flying like G load that would only be recorded on your film and wouldn't show in your aircraft on my film. For what I was hoping to show you, all you need is to look at film trails, pursuit curves and speed.

I'm usually not on so late during the week but next time you see me in the TA we can do it again and your film will make it easier to learn from the session.

 
A 190 can turn with a Spitfire as long as you're at the correct speed.    ;)

Yea, looking back I worded it incorrectly. I was trying to point out that the problems I was having weren't problems that could be solved by you without looking at the film (which I thought meant the film you were taking, but I see what you mean now).
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PFactorDave on March 31, 2011, 12:01:15 PM
Dave, when i fight with a bishop, i can exactly say if he is a joker-vdude or from an other squad before any of us gets the kill message. There is no skill needed to loop or to run straight. I still get killed by theese type of players, and i never can get them. This playing style is pathetic, tiring and boring. I hear you, sir, anyone who has this behaviour, should play microsoft fligt simulator. He wont get shot down. I have a film now, jak and pony running from me for 10 mins to their ack, then suddenly jump on me when 2 more arrives... sad, very sad.
I mentioned the vdudes couse when they lose their energy advantage, and forget to run, i get them in 1-2 turns, way more easyer than anyone else. Thats not because im good, im lame.

My point was only that you can find the same timid behavior on all sides.  Just a few minutes ago I had a P47 who ran away, so I broke off and engaged an F4U-4.  Two turns in, guess what, the jug is back.  The F4U was extending, so I turned back to the jug, guess what he ran.  The jug repeatedly tried to pick me, then run.  The same timid flying can be found on all three sides.

Still waiting to run into you Debrody.  You seem to be on when I am a lot, but we never seem to cross paths much for some reason.   :salute

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SPKmes on March 31, 2011, 01:42:36 PM
Have to agree with the Pfactor on this..... I see it all the time too...I think I will ask for a perked nitros upgrade pack for my plane.....

PS. sorry for adding to the Hijack earlier Debrody <S>
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Getback on March 31, 2011, 02:40:38 PM
Dave, when i fight with a bishop, i can exactly say if he is a joker-vdude or from an other squad before any of us gets the kill message. There is no skill needed to loop or to run straight. I still get killed by theese type of players, and i never can get them. This playing style is pathetic, tiring and boring. I hear you, sir, anyone who has this behaviour, should play microsoft flight simulator. He wont get shot down. I have a film now, jak and pony running from me for 10 mins to their ack, then suddenly jump on me when 2 more arrives... sad, very sad.
I mentioned the vdudes cause when they lose their energy advantage, and forget to run, i get them in 1-2 turns, way more easier than anyone else. That's not because I'm good, I'm lame.
To lulu: I'm on the dark side, and i already stated that i don't wanna see you again.
Edit: got shot down in a 5 mins 5v1, then came the endless LMAO HAHAHAHA  guess who got me? sad
Edit2: Hoff, plz finish the hijack.


I had a post on this early in the camp. I'm to the point where I would rather get ganged than chase someone down and learn only that I need a faster plane. I jumped into a horde one day. The only thing I thought was what could I have done better. Yet I'm a hypocrite. I've ran my f4u1a from spits, zekes etc. Then sometimes I will engage them just to see what they have. That's a challenge and I don't always lose. Though I do most of the time.

I wanted to be more aggressive in this camp. So the first couple of days I upped under full dar bars only to spend 45 minutes dodging bnzers. However I'd rather see folks doing what they enjoy than flying the way I think they should.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 31, 2011, 02:49:55 PM
However I'd rather see folks doing what they enjoy than flying the way I think they should.
This man speak the truth  :old:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: W7LPNRICK on March 31, 2011, 02:52:59 PM
Juggler got it. Nothing can piss me off more when i get on a ponys six in 2 turns, then he extends as long as i give it up "eh, run, play with yourself", turn back to look for another opponent, then he comes back, i get his six in another 2 turns, then repeat. This happens a lot in the MA, not only with ponies, not only with BnZer rides. Its definiately timid and a lame thing to do. Just wasting each others time.
For those who run until they get 3 other cons to help him, then suddenly find their balls... the only thing i can say, a 5 years old girls is braver than you!
Lulu, what you wanted to say?? If i can remember, you were the one running from the 1v1 in your spit16 then coming back when you got help...

If you're expecting a Pony to turn fight you more than 1 or two turns before attempting to run away, while you're in a turn fighter, that's just goofy. A few sticks on here can turn fight a pony, but not many IMO. In & Out is what they do best. Maintain E, burn in, snap shoot and climb, regain advantage and repeat. Lots of planes do this very well including the 190's. Engage another turn fighter, if you want to turn fight.  :huh
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 31, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
Engage another turn fighter, if you want to turn fight.  :huh
..and look up ur shoulder to BnZ pick pick guys all around  :cry
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 03:28:58 PM
To Rick: No, HELL, i dont expect them to turn, just once they run away, dont come back to pick! And yes, im in an über unoutturnable turning machine. LOL! Read my post to the end then you wont write replyes like this.
To Mausil: you guys always run from a co-e fight, but rather die in the ack to kill that radar. Respect to the exception. Dont wanna tell me the tutti, v"dude".
ok, i was a bit rough. Apologizes.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on March 31, 2011, 03:33:22 PM
This man speak the truth  :old:

As long as your squad flies 29's at 6k, I have no complaints.    :rock
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 31, 2011, 06:16:21 PM
To Debrodi : the few times I know that ur in the area ur so slow almost static in the air with ur G6 when we want to take the base that I supose u want to defend (in a G6) we just rather pass by you at warp speed (because u in G6) and take it before u even turn around to conter us in ur G6, if we disapear is because we already going on take another base and as u go fly ur slow bellybutton G6 to other base to land ur Million kills sortie we already took yet anoter base, soo why would us slow our pace because of a single G6 floating in the air that r just hoping that someone slow down to turn fight him ? heck no, Rolling bases is what we do flying G6 is what u do, I have fun, you have fun no one will stop doing what he does for fun so... whats the point.. STOP FLYING G6! will you ? :NO ..WILL I SLOW DOWN FOR YOU! will I ? :NO

p.s anyone reading this will maibe think im upset, im really not, just trying to make a point that things will not magically change the way you or anyone want just because u want it :devil
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 06:26:09 PM
v"dude"
You can say anything, you guys avoid combat with the enemy, and fleeing from every even fight. It does not depends on what im flying. And you can talk smack, this wont shade the lack of the hearth and skills.
Its the only fraked plane whats from my damn country so i will fly it and nothing else.
keep the pick n running, its fun and worths those 15 bucks we pay for it.
bug, off, v"dude"    you wont legalize your "skills"   im pretty lame but even i can get you every time you forget to run away, in anything vs anything
Edit: thanks, Jug, if you would learn engRish from a game, im pretty sure you would do better after year
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: JUGgler on March 31, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
v"dude"
You can say anything, you guys avoid combat with the enemy, and fleeing from every even fight. It does not depends on what im flying. And you cam talk smack, this wont shade the lack of the hearth and skills.
Its the only fraked plane whats from my damn country so i will fly it and noting else.
keep the pick n running, its fun and worths those 15 bucks we pay for it.
bug, off, v"dude"    you wont legalize your "skills"


OMG   engrish prease!

 :old:


JUGgler
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: bagrat on March 31, 2011, 06:31:48 PM
Soon you will learn that no matter how much you complain on the BBS,  no one will fly like you want them to.

I beg to differ, Way back in the day people used to fight 1V1 and others would stay out. Then I made a few comments on this forum saying "hey where's all the running and picking and gang bangin at?" others saw this request and gladly accepted
.  
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on March 31, 2011, 06:38:47 PM

OMG   engrish prease!

 :old:


JUGgler

I think he does a good job for having English as a second language. Lets see you type some Hungarian.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 31, 2011, 06:42:37 PM
Are you portugeese?
Ill stop flying the g-6 when you move to bantustan LMFAO. You can flame as you want, that wont shade your skill-less flying (not fighting) style. bug off
u started this public so dont really need to pm me just go public
 As I here in public I will say ,I dont give a crap about my as u call it skill-less flying, dont you get it? I dont care to be uber stick I really care less about it, I fly watever I want in the style I want,thats my money that pays what I want to do in this game ,and Im not flaming anyone,but you are with ur  :cry :cry :cry over and over and over.. you stop flying ur G6 if I move to bantustan ?? I dont care if you fly even a seagal , and what a hell is a bantustan .?.

 ..and yes im portuguese if u still didnt notice my avatar and even better my location writed below it :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: JUGgler on March 31, 2011, 06:43:57 PM
I think he does a good job for having English as a second language. Lets see you type some Hungarian.

Why would I type Hungarian? some Hungarian might make a rude statement about it  :D



JUGgler
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on March 31, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
I think he does a good job for having English as a second language. Lets see you type some Hungarian.

I can try some pig latin if that will elp-hay ring-bay own-day uh-thay ensions-tay.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 31, 2011, 06:47:13 PM
I can try some pig latin if that will elp-hay ring-bay own-day uh-thay ensions-tay.

you just violated rule #12 ;)

I do sympathize with Debrody on the language barrier, but I think people are getting tiered of him complaining.

Bunny speak would put most of you humans in jail... chit, the rabbit version of Hokey-Pokey is x rated

"straddle the left chair leg" "release the left chair leg" "straddle the left chair leg and hump it all about"...

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on March 31, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
I you just violated rule #12 ;)

You just violated rule 5.


Ah damn it...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on March 31, 2011, 06:52:21 PM
you just violated rule #12 ;)

Hopefully I don't get ermabanned-pay.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Debrody on March 31, 2011, 06:55:22 PM
Time to shut up and let them play with themselves for a long time. Its hopeless, pointless and does not worth my 15 bucks.
 :salute
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 31, 2011, 06:57:59 PM
Edit: thanks, Jug, if you would learn engRish from a game, im pretty sure you would do better after year

When I first heard you on vox the other night, I could have sworn at first you were from the Bronx.  Your English (both written and spoken) is better than quite a few of the native English speakers in this game.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on March 31, 2011, 06:59:36 PM
When I first heard you on vox the other night, I could have sworn at first you were from the Bronx.  Your English (both written and spoken) is better than quite a few of the native English speakers in this game.

ack-ack

 :aok :aok I agree, I think learning a foreign language is hard, and learning it from a bunch of drunk game players trash talking is even harder.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: gpwurzel on March 31, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
Fwiw Brody, I enjoy fighting ya, win or lose (mostly lose mind you). I don't get much time to fly at the moment, but I'll look you up when I get on, and we'll go at it.


:salute

Wurzel
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on March 31, 2011, 07:25:24 PM
Time to shut up and let them play with themselves for a long time. Its hopeless, pointless and does not worth my 15 bucks.
 :salute
Finaly u get it :devil Every time u kill me in the MA I will salute you  :joystick:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on March 31, 2011, 09:08:22 PM
When I first heard you on vox the other night, I could have sworn at first you were from the Bronx.  Your English (both written and spoken) is better than quite a few of the native English speakers in this game.

ack-ack

Get that mic thing fixed yet?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 31, 2011, 09:32:46 PM
Get that mic thing fixed yet?

You gonna buy me a new sound card?

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on March 31, 2011, 10:19:15 PM
You gonna buy me a new sound card?

ack-ack
Ah come on now. A big high-powered video game developer like you should be able to run right out and buy one yourself. Or is that just your "in-game" look-at-me-persona?

Personally, I think u squeak. :D
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: TheForce on March 31, 2011, 10:30:31 PM
Personally, I think u squeak. :D
:rofl Me too.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 31, 2011, 10:48:52 PM
Ah come on now. A big high-powered video game developer like you should be able to run right out and buy one yourself. Or is that just your "in-game" look-at-me-persona?

Personally, I think u squeak. :D

Please explain how the mic plug on my sound card being broken is somehow my "in game look-at-me-persona?" 

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DMGOD on April 01, 2011, 12:24:29 AM
Please explain how the mic plug on my sound card being broken is somehow my "in game look-at-me-persona?"  

ack-ack

akak buddy ol pal u need a sound card ill either give u 1 of the sound blaster cards i have or ill buy u the 1 u desire just so long as u promise me im the 1st person u speak to with it.


also u talk about the guy sounding as if he is from Bronx. ur from the 5 boroughs?! if so i can probably hand deliver the sound card to u and help you install it. AkAk man we can be bestest friends




(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb414/noelle1231/akak.jpg)

what i think akak looks like  ^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 05:03:57 AM
Please explain how the mic plug on my sound card being broken is somehow my "in game look-at-me-persona?" 

ack-ack

Not the sound card, silly. The fact that you are a high powered, slangin' and bangin', ain't nothin' but a thangin', video game developer who is one of the few on these boards qualified to comment on anything related to this game. As evidenced by posts such as these:

 
I find it funny people with absolutely no experience in running a game studio or designing, developing and operating a MMO telling the developer and studio owner that he has no clue.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 12:19:27 PM
Not the sound card, silly. The fact that you are a high powered, slangin' and bangin', ain't nothin' but a thangin', video game developer who is one of the few on these boards qualified to comment on anything related to this game. As evidenced by posts such as these:

 

LOL!  I see that my working at a game company upsets you in some fashion, maybe it's jealousy on your part?  In any case, I'm not a developer, I am a project manager.


ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 12:56:39 PM
LOL!  I see that my working at a game company upsets you in some fashion, maybe it's jealousy on your part?  In any case, I'm not a developer, I am a project manager.


ack-ack

Upset?  Not at all.  It is merely the fact that you incessantly remind your peers on the BBS and in-game of this fact that lead me to believe that you would be able to afford your own sound card rather than ask a college student to buy one for you.  I guess making sure the mailcart is in order and then pushing it from cubicle to cubicle is a type of project manager. 

You just continue to fly around mute and use your keyboard to remind us all of your place of employment because you think that by doing so you elevate yourself to some transcendent point of superiority when in fact none of us give a damn.  The fact that your first thought was I was jealous proves that you think this truly makes you special. The thing is you are right. Every company needs a good mailboy, I mean project manager of the mail, to keep things moving - even GAME companies. 
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: mausil on April 01, 2011, 03:11:02 PM
I barely think you can kill me...  :neener:
I hate you couse youre a punk, highly unintelligent and agressive. Youre squelched and on my ignore list. Bye, vtard, play with the ack and keep spending your money for it.

In the end u never understaded what was my point but so be it .. Me agressive :huh ?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
Upset?  Not at all.  It is merely the fact that you incessantly remind your peers on the BBS and in-game of this fact that lead me to believe that you would be able to afford your own sound card rather than ask a college student to buy one for you.  I guess making sure the mailcart is in order and then pushing it from cubicle to cubicle is a type of project manager. 

Why should I buy a new sound card when the one I have works just fine other than the problem with the mic plug?  Don't see any reason to buy one just so you can have the honor of hearing me speak on vox.  Or is because you heard from betty that I had a sexy voice and that turned you on or maybe it's just because you're nothing more than your average tool?

Does your ire stem from the fact that I called you a tool after you uttered an ethnic slur towards me a few months ago in game or are you still upset because I said I was more impressed by guys like Lev and Drex than I was by you or Grizz?  Sounds like I hit your ego there champ and it still smarts.  Anyway, enjoy.

ack-ack

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Slash27 on April 01, 2011, 03:52:54 PM
Owned!!!
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on April 01, 2011, 03:58:47 PM
Both of you.....

I have worked in the game industry, unless you enjoy working 100 hour work weeks for months on end (crunch time) or like to 'exploit' that experience as some sort of badge of pride, its nothing to be happy about, unless you like pissing off everyone close to you and destroying your personal life.

I guess its good for divorce attorneys... thats about it.


Also, Ak Ak could just purchase a usb mic that hooks on to his head set, no sound card necessary... but then again without hearing your voice, we will never know how 'sexy' it really is...  :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2011, 04:01:51 PM
Hmm I like this thread.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on April 01, 2011, 04:03:32 PM
Hmm I like this thread.

Watch out... AkAk and Sunbatt are going to start throwing crumpets at you.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Watch out I'm an american.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: JUGgler on April 01, 2011, 04:32:10 PM
Watch out I'm an american.

Well, now you are   :aok


JUGgler
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 04:36:47 PM
Also, Ak Ak could just purchase a usb mic that hooks on to his head set, no sound card necessary... but then again without hearing your voice, we will never know how 'sexy' it really is...  :rofl


Yep, I could use a USB head set but USB head sets are essentially USB sound cards that hog up a lot of resources and the sound quality of a USB head set will never be as good as a comparable set of regular head phones.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 04:45:34 PM
uttered an ethnic slur towards me a few months ago in game

Typical left-coaster playing the racism card when ya got nothing left to say.  

I was more impressed by guys like Lev and Drex than I was by you or Grizz?  Sounds like I hit your ego there champ and it still smarts.  

I have never once intimated that me or Grizz or anyone else is a better spitfire pilot that Levi and Drex.  


You still seem to be missing the points.  There are two points.  First, you must squeak or something because there is no other reason you for you not to just get a mic.  That USB excuse is cute though.  

Second,  when you act like a tool about something in the land of the internet, you are going to get spurned and made fun of.  You thump your chest constantly about the fact that you work for a gaming company and expect the rest of us to give a damn.  Your saying that you want Grizz to buy you a mic was a perfect opening for me to make fun of the tool Ack-Ack for having a squeak AND for being so proud of his meaningless job.  (I typed that real slow so that you could get it this time.)  End of story.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 01, 2011, 04:48:20 PM
Wow, I asked if akak got his mic thing fixed, and next thing I know there is a wall of text proclaiming that drex and levi are better than me.  Interesting ankle humperific turn this thread has taken.  

Akak we just want to hear your sexy voice.  Don't let a nickels and dimes sound card stand in the way of that.  Please, I implore you.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on April 01, 2011, 04:50:09 PM
Typical left-coaster playing the racism card when ya got nothing left to say.  

hey now... we are in the same squad and all but don't forget, just because your neighbor calls you an illegal when you get a tan, doesn't mean that the rest of us live in 'eMerikkka'.

yeah, I am kinda curious on how AkAk sounds.... It would be funny if I discovered I have actually met him at GDC or something...
And yeah, I'm with sun batt on this, if AkAk was asking to borrow a card from a kid when he has a job... sounds kinda cheap to me.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on April 01, 2011, 05:41:09 PM
Damn Ack I don’t know how you do it.   :rofl
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on April 01, 2011, 05:55:27 PM
hey now... we are in the same squad and all but don't forget, just because your neighbor calls you an illegal when you get a tan, doesn't mean that the rest of us live in 'eMerikkka'.

yeah, I am kinda curious on how AkAk sounds.... It would be funny if I discovered I have actually met him at GDC or something...
And yeah, I'm with sun batt on this, if AkAk was asking to borrow a card from a kid when he has a job... sounds kinda cheap to me.


Sounds cheap? You can buy a sound card for 20 bucks.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ardy123 on April 01, 2011, 06:12:05 PM
Sounds cheap? You can buy a sound card for 20 bucks.

yeah, like Ak-Ak was too cheap to pay 20 bucks for a card, so he instead asked to borrow one from another player of the game, But that might be an invention of Sunbat and not the truth.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 06:25:22 PM
Typical left-coaster playing the racism card when ya got nothing left to say.  

When someone comes into the game and calls me an ethnic slur they saw storch use on another forum, are you not surprised I found you to be nothing more than a tool?  


Quote
You still seem to be missing the points.  There are two points.  First, you must squeak or something because there is no other reason you for you not to just get a mic.  That USB excuse is cute though.  


Like I mentioned already, I don't see a reason to buy another sound card when other than the problem with the mic plug, the card works just fine.  Why does it bother you so much that I don't use vox or don't feel like getting a new sound card?  

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Second,  when you act like a tool about something in the land of the internet, you are going to get spurned and made fun of.  You thump your chest constantly about the fact that you work for a gaming company and expect the rest of us to give a damn.

From where I stand, the guy that is humping my ankle because of where I work or that I don't use vox is the tool.  If you want to see an example of a tool first hand, I suggest looking in the mirror.

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Your saying that you want Grizz to buy you a mic was a perfect opening for me to make fun of the tool Ack-Ack for having a squeak AND for being so proud of his meaningless job.  (I typed that real slow so that you could get it this time.)  End of story.

I never asked Grizz to buy me a new mic, the headphones I have has a perfectly good mic on it.  I just mentioned that if Grizz and you are so desperate to hear my voice then buy me a new sound card to indulge your voice fantasy fetish you must obviously have.

And as I also mentioned, your obsession with my job just screams jealousy because you are obviously unfullfilled working on your back.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: DMGOD on April 01, 2011, 06:26:38 PM
I have 2 decent sound cards that 100% work. Sound blaster audiology cards that I'd be more then happy to give for free to akak I'm even willing to pay for shipping just say the word bud and they are yours
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 06:29:44 PM
Damn Ack I don’t know how you do it.   :rofl

It's a gift.   :D

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 01, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
When someone comes into the game and calls me an ethnic slur they saw storch use on another forum, are you not surprised I found you to be nothing more than a tool?  

Akak, your P38J isn't considered an ethnicity.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
Damn Ack I don’t know how you do it.   :rofl

Here's how:

Step 1:  Open mouth.

Step 2:  Get stomped on. 


(Give me a minute.  I have an idea to personify "tool".  To be continued...)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
Jackpot!  Gentlemen, a quick keyword search and a simple review of recent posts evinces the personification of "tool" (declarations of self-importance on channel 200 not included).  I rest my case.

project manager at some game studio/developer.


ack-ack
Working for a game company myself and involved in helping create these games from the alpha stage to the final release, what makes up the 'development cycle' differs from company to company and game to game.
Ack-Ack

Until you know what it takes to not only design a massively multiplayer game but run it as well, you should stop making comments like the ones you've made.


ack-ack

Show one MMO company that sends any of their customers a reciept after billing.  It's just not done in this industry as there is no need for it and the return is very small that it's basically not worth it.   In all the customer surveys I've done to gauge customer satisfaction with our game, not one customer in any of our surveys listed not receiving a reciept or other acknowledgement of payment as a negative with their customer service experience.

ack-ack

When your parent company tells you to release the game by XX date or they'll refuse to pay the guaranteed bonuses and royalties, are you not surprised when the developer pushes out an unfinished product?  Especially as the developer you do not have any control over the IP you created?  Why do you think the founders of Infinity Ward bailed and left to make their own studio?  Activision is the one to blame, not IW.

ack-ack

Must suck to work where you do.  I play games on my work station all the time at work.

ack-ack

:D

But we do have an inept IT team.

ack-ack

I will tell you that what you wish for is extremely difficult and the cost of development would be prohibitive for most large studios as there is no guarantee the developed tech will pan out.

Our company looked at doing something like this for a series of our games and came to the conclusion that the tech needed to get it to work isn't quite there yet and we would need to develop the tech, the money costs would be extremely high with little or no guarantee that we'd ever see a return on the investment and time.  It was estimated that it would take at least 3 to 5 years to develop the tech to allow these seperate games to connect with each other, that doesn't include the development time for the engine these games would use that would allow not only cross-game play but also cross-platform play.

It's difficult enough to get people on different platforms to play together in a single game.

ack-ack

In my company's games, if we would let the players dictate what the balance should be, there would be no clear notion as to what that balance is and the result would be a very flawed and unbalanced game.
ack-ack

The company I work for has been sued like this many times in the past and won every time.  When I was still at Sony Online Entertainment, we got sued by Ben Stein because he was an utter failure as a father and expected us to do the parenting he failed to do.  Ben Stein lost that one big time and considers Sony to be one of the reasons for the moral decay of this country.  No joke, he really thinks that.

ack-ack

Pretty good, live up in L.A. now working for a Japanese game company and lovin' it up here.


Even the person who you think is the most responsible person in the world can still rob you blind.  A couple of years ago one of our Game Masters at the company I work for had a couple of players contact him about some items and in game currency that was stolen from their linkshell.
ack-ack

Our company recently put up our game (FINAL FANTASY XI) up on Steam.  SOE has most of their games on Steam (EQ/EQ2/PotBS/Vanguard).

Other MMO games on Steam:
Age of Conan
Lineage I/II
GuildWars
Champions Online
Warhammer

Speaking of the experience we went through to get it up on Steam, it was kind of a pain in the ass.  It took about 4 months or so to resolve the compatibility issues with the Steam wrapper that is used for games on Steam.


ack-ack


It's a really good game, not quite as good as the original but still fun to play.  It's the 2nd RTS the company I work for has released.


ack-ack

DirectX 11 is already out, has been for some months now.  In fact, it made its debut with the release of Windows 7 as that's the version of DirectX that ships with it.  Also, game are already being made with DirectX 11 compatibility.  One or two were released last year after Windows 7 was released and more are being released this year.  I know that there are a couple of games that are being released by my company that will have DirectX 11 support, though sadly Final Fantasy XIII isn't one of them.

ack-ack

As for the team at Endrant Studios, the entire team was let go the day the game released.  That's not a very good thing, and telling of the multiplayer portion of the game.  How do I know they were sacked?  Because a number of them have submitted their resumés to the gaming company I work for. lol
ack-ack

Surprised to see in the list of supported games that my company's game is listed there as well.  Though, I don't know of anyone that plays FFXI using these.

ack-ack

I got another job at a major game developer up here in Los Angeles in a newly created division the company recently started up.
ack-ack


Quote from: Ack-Ack
The company I work for has two of the largest MMOG games in the world.  Our flagship MMOG is now edging up past the 5 year mark and has extremely out dated graphics that we are in the process of updating with a new graphics engine so we can compete with the new MMOG games that are coming out.  Even though our flagship game has a paid subscriber base of 300,000+, we are forced to do this to remain competitive. 

He actually tried to sue a company I used to work for (Sony Online Entertainment) because of one of our games (Everquest).

Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
I'm glad you don't work for my company or any other online gaming company because you really have no clue as to what makes or how to make an online game successful.  AH is one of the oldest MMOs on the market and it's safe to assume that HTC does have a grasp as to what his intended subscriber bases wants and a business model to ensure that his game survives, you don't.
ack-ack

Quote from: Ack-Ack
Reminds me of an encounter I had in a game I worked on.  A player was going around scamming other players out of items so I went in game to speak with him about it.  When I pulled his character aside so I could ask him what he was doing he started to claim that he was an employee of the company I work for.  When I asked him what his name was, he gave me a name of one of our employees.  The only problem was that he gave my name.   I had a little fun at his expense before dropping the bombshell that I was the person he claimed to be.  Never seen a player disconnect so fast from a game, must have pulled his connection.  Safe to say that little jr. isn't playing any of Square Enix's game anymore.
ack-ack

Obviously with the recent studio acquisitions, the pressure to release Soldner now was too great.  It's a shame really and you're right, game developers should take the time to release a game that doesn't require immediate patching.  Unfortunately the company I work for has been guilty of this with some of our games. 

If the company I work for had the development team size of HTC, I don't think any of our games would have seen the light of day.

  She also works at the same gaming company I do, so she's a tad more tolerant when it comes to playing time.

Everquest II, a game the company I work for makes.

A game that has been in development for 5+ years shouldn't release and expect people to play for a "beta".  Again, that says a lot about the dev team and lack of supervision/control by the game designer and producer.  There is no excuse as to why a game in development that long shouldn't be released in a complete state.

ack-ack

with the amount of time the game was under development and it was released in this state doesn't speak well for the dev team. 

ack-ack

I agree, Ubisoft dropping DCS was probably the best thing that happened to the DCS guys because they no longer had the marketing weasels from Ubi telling how to make their game "more accessible".  It also helped that DCS was able to get some major venture and funding capital to help out.

I understand Oleg's disillusionment with having to work with Ubisoft, he's a 3rd party developer that is literally a slave to his publisher/distributor as they are the ones that hold the purse strings and can make him dance like a marionette and that has to get very tiring if the studio and publisher are at odds on the game, with the publisher having a set idea as to how the game should be and the studio having another vision for their game.  Ubisoft always wanted to turn IL2 into a more arcade like shooter to appeal more to the masses and elevate IL2/SoW from a niche game to a mass marketable game.

while I don't think Oleg's self-imposed retirement will stop development of IL2/SoW, I do think it will put an end to any future plans of developing IL2/SoW into a MMO like Oleg had envisioned doing at some point.

But from what I gathered from some of the posts from people close to Oleg is that he actually "left" over a year ago and someone named Ilya (sp?) has been running the show for IL2/SoW.

Hmmm...


ack-ack

Not surprised, rumor on the grapevine is that Ubisoft was going to drop Maddox again and he was going to be left without a publisher/distributor.

ack-ack

Damn, I was going to suggest that our company outsource our forum support to a 3rd party and you were the one I had in mind. 


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HiTech is correct when he stated that you can't make game design decisions based solely on what the customer demands, iEN is an example of what happens when a game studio does. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: SunBat on April 01, 2011, 08:43:33 PM
Sheesh Ack-Ack, we get it, you work for a game company.  And we don't give a damn. 

Now pray a nice prayer to DMGOD and he will grant you a sound card and we can hear your squeaky lisp. 

(After you get done steppin' and fetchin' that developer's mail, boy.  Now get to it.)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on April 01, 2011, 08:56:17 PM
You're going to get lock-jaw.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 01, 2011, 08:59:34 PM
Damn Ack I don’t know how you do it.   :rofl
He works for a game company.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 01, 2011, 09:01:46 PM
He works for a game company.

You sure about that?  Prove it.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 01, 2011, 09:02:57 PM
You sure about that?  Prove it.
im only repeating what i heard from another guy that heard it from someone else. Grapevine man.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: The Fugitive on April 01, 2011, 09:06:54 PM
Damn Ack I don’t know how you do it.   :rofl


It's the one thing he's good at !  :noid
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 01, 2011, 09:08:18 PM

It's the one thing he's good at !  :noid
I was a good paper boy when I was 15. Same difference
Never missed a driveway
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on April 01, 2011, 09:43:37 PM
im only repeating what i heard from another guy that heard it from someone else. Grapevine man.

 :devil
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 01, 2011, 09:54:42 PM
You sure about that?  Prove it.

Prove that I don't.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 01, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
Prove that I don't.

ack-ack

Lol, puppet. 
Of course you work for a game company, you have let it be known at least 32 times by my count (See Sunbat's post) that you work for an incredibly successful and lucrative game company.  I'm sure there are even cleat chasers that wait for you studmuffins to get off work to have their way with you.  Man what a life.  You can understand our jealousy can you not?  Working on our backs all day dreaming of one day working for a company that makes some of the biggest games in the market, it's easy to be spiteful.  Gosh, if only I would have tried harder.  My only refuge is the fact that I have a working sound card and a mic which is why I brought it up.  I dread the day you finally manage to obtain a working sound card, because that will be the day that you are better than me in every way. 
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: ACE on April 01, 2011, 10:45:49 PM
Since were talking about jobs I work at Taco Bell  :aok
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Raphael on April 01, 2011, 10:51:31 PM
I dont work at all. not yet.
Im a student
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Tordon22 on April 01, 2011, 11:35:57 PM
Since were talking about jobs I work at Taco Bell  :aok

I'll have a chinchilla!

+1 for name that movie
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on April 01, 2011, 11:58:14 PM
I'll have a chinchilla!

+1 for name that movie

They think I am mexican.

Supertroopers
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: PFactorDave on April 02, 2011, 12:30:08 AM
You know what Sunbat...  Let it go man.  It isn't healthy to be that obsessed.

Honestly, if Ak AK works for a game company then his opinion on quite a few topics in these forums should carry some weight.  Just as, I am a professional photographer, so if we were talking photography, my views should carry extra weight.  And yes, every thread that I post in as a professional photographer, I would probably feel obligated to establish my bonafides.

Are you saying that he is lying?  Why should he have to prove who he is to you or anyone else.  If he is lying, I would think that it would be pretty obvious by the context of his posts.  I've never seen any post of his that makes me doubt that he is what he says he is...  Besides, why would he want to "prove it".  If he is what he says he is, he knows it and won't "prove it" because it is more fun to watch you guys gnash your teeth over it.  If he is lying, then he is definitely going to perpetuate what may be one of the top ten trolls ever.  There really is nothing to gain by "proving it", unless he really cares what you think.  Which I suspect he does not.

Please consider, I have no reason to love Ak Ak.  Heck I don't know him at all.  He did pick me earlier tonight while I was having a nice fight with a Spit 8 in my Ki84, was going to post the film in that Training thread, but oh well.  But I don't hold that against him, heck I pick people all the time in the MA...  Getting picked is a failure of MY situational awareness, nothing more.

But putting in the effort to post all of those quotes is borderline crazy town.  You might want to take a hard look at why it matters so much to you...
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Slash27 on April 02, 2011, 12:31:58 AM
Is that how they do it in Arabia Thorny?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Raphael on April 02, 2011, 08:37:41 AM
You know what Sunbat...  Let it go man.  It isn't healthy to be that obsessed.

Honestly, if Ak AK works for a game company then his opinion on quite a few topics in these forums should carry some weight.  Just as, I am a professional photographer, so if we were talking photography, my views should carry extra weight.  And yes, every thread that I post in as a professional photographer, I would probably feel obligated to establish my bonafides.

Are you saying that he is lying?  Why should he have to prove who he is to you or anyone else.  If he is lying, I would think that it would be pretty obvious by the context of his posts.  I've never seen any post of his that makes me doubt that he is what he says he is...  Besides, why would he want to "prove it".  If he is what he says he is, he knows it and won't "prove it" because it is more fun to watch you guys gnash your teeth over it.  If he is lying, then he is definitely going to perpetuate what may be one of the top ten trolls ever.  There really is nothing to gain by "proving it", unless he really cares what you think.  Which I suspect he does not.

Please consider, I have no reason to love Ak Ak.  Heck I don't know him at all.  He did pick me earlier tonight while I was having a nice fight with a Spit 8 in my Ki84, was going to post the film in that Training thread, but oh well.  But I don't hold that against him, heck I pick people all the time in the MA...  Getting picked is a failure of MY situational awareness, nothing more.

But putting in the effort to post all of those quotes is borderline crazy town.  You might want to take a hard look at why it matters so much to you...
Actually he didn't say the guy is a liar he is just saying he doesn't care hat job that other guy has and telling him to stop bragging on it (is that the correct term?)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 02, 2011, 08:46:58 AM
This is all relevant to the OP... how?
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Slash27 on April 02, 2011, 09:30:31 AM
This is all relevant to the OP... how?
It's a dynamic conversation.  :D
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 02, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
You know what Sunbat...  Let it go man.  It isn't healthy to be that obsessed.

Honestly, if Ak AK works for a game company then his opinion on quite a few topics in these forums should carry some weight.  Just as, I am a professional photographer, so if we were talking photography, my views should carry extra weight.  And yes, every thread that I post in as a professional photographer, I would probably feel obligated to establish my bonafides.

Are you saying that he is lying?  Why should he have to prove who he is to you or anyone else.  If he is lying, I would think that it would be pretty obvious by the context of his posts.  I've never seen any post of his that makes me doubt that he is what he says he is...  Besides, why would he want to "prove it".  If he is what he says he is, he knows it and won't "prove it" because it is more fun to watch you guys gnash your teeth over it.  If he is lying, then he is definitely going to perpetuate what may be one of the top ten trolls ever.  There really is nothing to gain by "proving it", unless he really cares what you think.  Which I suspect he does not.

Please consider, I have no reason to love Ak Ak.  Heck I don't know him at all.  He did pick me earlier tonight while I was having a nice fight with a Spit 8 in my Ki84, was going to post the film in that Training thread, but oh well.  But I don't hold that against him, heck I pick people all the time in the MA...  Getting picked is a failure of MY situational awareness, nothing more.

But putting in the effort to post all of those quotes is borderline crazy town.  You might want to take a hard look at why it matters so much to you...

Swooooooooooosh!


Whoa what was that noise?

Oh, no big thang, it was only the point that was craftily articulated flying directly over PFactor's head at Mach 4. 
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: moot on April 02, 2011, 10:49:26 AM
subsonic craftily articulated point is subsonic
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: IrishOne on April 02, 2011, 11:40:38 AM
one......two......three...... .DOOO EEEEEEEEEET!!!!!
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on April 02, 2011, 01:11:43 PM
The only thing making sense to me is ack-ack doesn't PM folks in game.     :headscratch:
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Zoney on April 02, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
I have no problem believing that a highly successful game developer project manager supervisor cum-laude fully ensconsed in the online gaming world and all it encompass has a cheaply fixed problem precluding him from interacting verbally with other players when he has so many times expressed his worldy opinions in the BBS, and he chooses not to talk on the radio in-game.

Everyone that plays here is, 6'4" sculpted muscle millionaire with an IQ of 175+ driving a Ferrari to their Malibu beach house with 3 Victoria's Secret lingerie models waiting for him to whisk them to Africa in one of his private jets to feed the starving children with just 3 fishes and 2 loaves of bread.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: kilo2 on April 02, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
I have no problem believing that a highly successful game developer project manager supervisor cum-laude fully ensconsed in the online gaming world and all it encompass has a cheaply fixed problem precluding him from interacting verbally with other players when he has so many times expressed his worldy opinions in the BBS, and he chooses not to talk on the radio in-game.

Everyone that plays here is, 6'4" sculpted muscle millionaire with an IQ of 175+ driving a Ferrari to their Malibu beach house with 3 Victoria's Secret lingerie models waiting for him to whisk them to Africa in one of his private jets to feed the starving children with just 3 fishes and 2 loaves of bread.

 :rofl It could be true and I personally am jealous. I am currently in college now to get in job hopefully in the very industry he works in. There is always the distinct possibility he doesn't want to talk to anyone and the sound card not working is a convenient excuse not to. Or Ack-Ack is just a cheap bastage.
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Oldman731 on April 02, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
There is always the distinct possibility he doesn't want to talk to anyone


If there wasn't before, there certainly is after this thread.  Ack-ack is no squeaker, I've known him for well over a decade and he was old enough back then.  He did a lot of favors for those of us who used Thrustmaster products.  Some of you guys (and who knows, maybe Ack-ack too) take his postings way too seriously.  There's no good reason for this kind of pile-on.

- oldman
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Masherbrum on April 02, 2011, 04:57:08 PM

If there wasn't before, there certainly is after this thread.  Ack-ack is no squeaker, I've known him for well over a decade and he was old enough back then.  He did a lot of favors for those of us who used Thrustmaster products.  Some of you guys (and who knows, maybe Ack-ack too) take his postings way too seriously.  There's no good reason for this kind of pile-on.

- oldman

Oh, there is a clear and concise reason why "some" have piled on.   The fact is, they haven't the intestinal fortitude to say it.   
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: BiPoLaR on April 02, 2011, 05:20:17 PM
Oh, there is a clear and concise reason why "some" have piled on.   The fact is, they haven't the intestinal fortitude to say it.   
They're all on the porch waiting for the mailman to run. Then, they'll come post  :aok
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 02, 2011, 05:22:11 PM
It's just funny how some get their panties in such a bunch because I don't use vox.  It's really not a very high priority with me to get a new sound card.  If I wasn't lazy, I could just replace the mic port on the card, its not a hard thing to do at all.  But again, it's just not a priority and I'm also lazy and not having vox in no way inhibits my playing of the game and since my squadron mates have quit AH really no longer see it as necessary.

ack-ack
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: Hoff on April 02, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
A little comedy to lighten up and possibly derail the thread.


(http://i.imgur.com/o1ZL4.gif)
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: grizz441 on April 02, 2011, 05:47:21 PM
It's just funny how some get their panties in such a bunch because I don't use vox.  It's really not a very high priority with me to get a new sound card.  If I wasn't lazy, I could just replace the mic port on the card, its not a hard thing to do at all.  But again, it's just not a priority and I'm also lazy and not having vox in no way inhibits my playing of the game and since my squadron mates have quit AH really no longer see it as necessary.

ack-ack

Relax, it was just a playful quip.  You didn't have to get your panties in a bunch and start questioning our motives and bringing your "ethnicity" into the playing field.  I figured you were a freckle faced red headed kid, but then again, who cares?  For how much you dish it out here and perpetuate trolls, you think you'd be able to sniff one out instead of stepping foot first in it.

Despite all of this...

We still have nothing but love for you AKAK.  Betty told us about your studly voice, can you blame us for wanting to hear it for ourselves?  I really hope you take DMGOD up on his offer for the free sound card, because that would really make my week, no, it would make my month, if I heard AKAK say "Check 6 Grizz!!".   :aok
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: betty on April 05, 2011, 03:32:12 PM


We still have nothing but love for you AKAK.  Betty told us about your studly voice, can you blame us for wanting to hear it for ourselves?  I really hope you take DMGOD up on his offer for the free sound card, because that would really make my week, no, it would make my month, if I heard AKAK say "Check 6 Grizz!!".   :aok


 :huh
Title: Re: To the players
Post by: VAMPIRE 2? on April 05, 2011, 03:36:46 PM

 :huh
  yep I heard too