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Title: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 02, 2011, 07:14:55 PM
How did these weapons become the go-to tools for killers (both good and bad) in horror movies worldwide?  Is it because of their gory power, or some other trait that makes them so popular?

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: jolly22 on April 02, 2011, 07:26:03 PM
How did these weapons become the go-to tools for killers (both good and bad) in horror movies worldwide?  Is it because of their gory power, or some other trait that makes them so popular?

-Penguin

Cool factor.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: PFactorDave on April 02, 2011, 07:29:07 PM
Catastrophic damage
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: MachFly on April 02, 2011, 07:34:44 PM
I understand the chainsaw seems a bit weird, but there is nothing wrong with a flamethrower, it was originally made to be a weapon. I also see absolution nothing wrong with a shotgun, it's a good weapon.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: BnZs on April 03, 2011, 02:33:29 AM
Chainsaw-things that can't be stopped by slug impacts to vital organs (guns) or massive burns can at least be slowed down by being sawed into pieces.

A heavy-duty cutting sword along the lines of a Viking or High Medieval type, a Nihonto of some sort, one of the heavier cavalry sabers, a Chinese Dao, a heavily built machete, a large bowie or kukri, etc, would all seem to be more practical ways of getting that end accomplished though. No gas, no need for starting, no noise, and light enough to actually wield.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: minke on April 03, 2011, 03:13:29 AM
but more effective against a hippie tied to a tree....
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 03:44:36 AM
Shotgun - Relatively common household weapon

Chainsaw - Potential for great sound and visual effects in some scenes

Flamethrower - I'd assume in the 80's big explosions and flames were
the 'norm', and got viewers excited.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: clerick on April 03, 2011, 03:54:23 AM
No gas, no need for starting, no noise, and light enough to actually wield.

Maybe for a mere boy as yourself.  Perhaps you should take a lesson from Ash. He manages to wield a chainsaw AND a shotgun simultaneously.  :neener:

(http://i.ehow.co.uk/images/a04/95/om/make-chainsaw-arm-800X800.jpg)
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: RTHolmes on April 03, 2011, 05:13:13 AM
(http://greenfangirl.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/ash.jpg)

Groovy!!!
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 06:10:32 AM
 :D

(http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/937.jpg)
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Airborne on April 03, 2011, 06:32:05 AM
:D

(http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/937.jpg)


I know what unit this guy is in, its the sister battalion to mine..
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: fbWldcat on April 03, 2011, 07:18:39 AM
Maybe for a mere boy as yourself.  Perhaps you should take a lesson from Ash. He manages to wield a chainsaw AND a shotgun simultaneously.  :neener:

(http://i.ehow.co.uk/images/a04/95/om/make-chainsaw-arm-800X800.jpg)

THIS is my BOOM STICK. The twelve gauge double-barrel Remington. S-mart's top-of-the-line.  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Masherbrum on April 03, 2011, 09:20:15 AM
How did these weapons become the go-to tools for killers (both good and bad) in horror movies worldwide?  Is it because of their gory power, or some other trait that makes them so popular?

-Penguin

It's kind of like trolling the BBS for a few months pretending to be something that you aren't.   
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: MaSonZ on April 03, 2011, 09:27:01 AM
:D

(http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/937.jpg)
Geneva Convention allows for weapons of this caliber  :O
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 03, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
It's kind of like trolling the BBS for a few months pretending to be something that you aren't.   

I am, go back through my posts.  Each year, you'll see that I went from 12 to 13 and now 14.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Masherbrum on April 03, 2011, 09:29:45 AM
(http://greenfangirl.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/ash.jpg)

Groovy!!!

 :rock
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: eagl on April 03, 2011, 09:37:27 AM
They're all phallic symbols with the capability of delivering massive catastrophic damage.  It's all about dominance and power, even if it's just a subconscious connection.  You can't just turn off millions of years of evolution by writing down a philosophical treatise about "human rights", even if those rights are enforced as the law of the land.  The body and brain chemistry that made humans "win" the scramble to the top of the food chain is still there, and it's all about surviving with a competitive position of advantage when looked at over the very very long term.

So... phallic symbols that invoke images of dominance and power are going to seem "cool" to most men, even if they don't know why.  And of course hollyweird is gonna do whatever it takes to sell tickets, so they go looking for these icons of power and use them to sell movie tickets.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Masherbrum on April 03, 2011, 09:38:44 AM
They're all phallic symbols with the capability of delivering massive catastrophic damage.  It's all about dominance and power, even if it's just a subconscious connection.  You can't just turn off millions of years of evolution by writing down a philosophical treatise about "human rights", even if those rights are enforced as the law of the land.  The body and brain chemistry that made humans "win" the scramble to the top of the food chain is still there, and it's all about surviving with a competitive position of advantage when looked at over the very very long term.

So... phallic symbols that invoke images of dominance and power are going to seem "cool" to most men, even if they don't know why.  And of course hollyweird is gonna do whatever it takes to sell tickets, so they go looking for these icons of power and use them to sell movie tickets.


 :cheers:       Most eloquently stated and indeed a good summary as it were.   
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 03, 2011, 09:40:24 AM
They're all phallic symbols with the capability of delivering massive catastrophic damage.  It's all about dominance and power, even if it's just a subconscious connection.  You can't just turn off millions of years of evolution by writing down a philosophical treatise about "human rights", even if those rights are enforced as the law of the land.  The body and brain chemistry that made humans "win" the scramble to the top of the food chain is still there, and it's all about surviving with a competitive position of advantage when looked at over the very very long term.

So... phallic symbols that invoke images of dominance and power are going to seem "cool" to most men, even if they don't know why.  And of course hollyweird is gonna do whatever it takes to sell tickets, so they go looking for these icons of power and use them to sell movie tickets.


Thanks, now I understand. :aok

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: eagl on April 03, 2011, 09:54:20 AM
Thanks, now I understand. :aok

-Penguin

Good.  Next week we'll discuss why men are fascinated by bewbies long after they are no longer their primary source of food.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 03, 2011, 09:55:36 AM
Good.  Next week we'll discuss why men are fascinated by bewbies long after they are no longer their primary source of food.

Why wait?  :D
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 03, 2011, 11:00:10 AM
That's a no brainer, a female with larger breasts can supply more milk, and thus ensure a higher success rate for reproduction.  Hence the fascination with them.  As for the buttocks, a toned buttocks means a faster runner, and back in the stone age, we'd literally run down our prey (since our breathing isn't tied to our body motion, we can outlast almost any land animal on earth).

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: M0nkey_Man on April 03, 2011, 11:03:39 AM
just more fun
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Getback on April 03, 2011, 11:38:06 AM
I never watch those senseless films.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: MORAY37 on April 03, 2011, 03:06:40 PM
That's a no brainer, a female with larger breasts can supply more milk, and thus ensure a higher success rate for reproduction.  Hence the fascination with them.  As for the buttocks, a toned buttocks means a faster runner, and back in the stone age, we'd literally run down our prey (since our breathing isn't tied to our body motion, we can outlast almost any land animal on earth).

-Penguin

 :headscratch: 

Um, no.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Pigslilspaz on April 03, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
That's a no brainer, a female with larger breasts can supply more milk, and thus ensure a higher success rate for reproduction.  Hence the fascination with them.  As for the buttocks, a toned buttocks means a faster runner, and back in the stone age, we'd literally run down our prey (since our breathing isn't tied to our body motion, we can outlast almost any land animal on earth).

-Penguin

You obviously not had a tumble with a well endowed woman. Actually, I think I'm gonna have to pay my girlfriend a visit now  :D :devil.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Meatwad on April 03, 2011, 06:46:15 PM
That's a no brainer, a female with larger breasts can supply more milk, and thus ensure a higher success rate for reproduction.  Hence the fascination with them.  As for the buttocks, a toned buttocks means a faster runner, and back in the stone age, we'd literally run down our prey (since our breathing isn't tied to our body motion, we can outlast almost any land animal on earth).

-Penguin

You dont get out much, do you?
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: fbWldcat on April 04, 2011, 05:53:35 AM
You dont get out much, do you?

 :rofl

Penguin, if you're gonna BS, BS good. :aok
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 04, 2011, 05:45:39 PM
You dont get out much, do you?

No, I don't, the only thing I know about breasts is what I learned in science.

Moray- care to add anything I've missed? I'm all ears. :salute

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Wolfala on April 04, 2011, 06:58:28 PM
No, I don't, the only thing I know about breasts is what I learned in science.

Moray- care to add anything I've missed? I'm all ears. :salute

-Penguin


Mons Venus - Tampa Florida. Ask for January. 
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Meatwad on April 04, 2011, 07:25:43 PM
No, I don't, the only thing I know about breasts is what I learned in science.

Moray- care to add anything I've missed? I'm all ears. :salute

-Penguin

Once you find the valley, science is out the window   :aok
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: fbWldcat on April 04, 2011, 07:31:27 PM
Once you find the valley, science is out the window   :aok

Actually, it just becomes a more specific science... Anatomy.  :aok
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 04, 2011, 08:36:58 PM
I am thouroughly confused.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 04, 2011, 08:51:25 PM
You obviously not had a tumble with a well endowed woman. Actually, I think I'm gonna have to pay my girlfriend a visit now  :D :devil.

I don't think he's gotten past the "girl's have cooties" stage, if he ever will.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 04, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
Ah, the golden palace of the Himalayas. How I grin to the memories of the ascent.
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: F22RaptorDude on April 04, 2011, 09:03:20 PM
No, I don't, the only thing I know about breasts is what I learned in science.

Moray- care to add anything I've missed? I'm all ears. :salute

-Penguin
I learn more about em off my gf then i ever could in science  :rolleyes: just sayin  :lol
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 05, 2011, 04:04:57 PM
I don't think girls have cooties, it's just that I'm lazy and cheap.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: F22RaptorDude on April 05, 2011, 04:24:54 PM
I don't think girls have cooties, it's just that I'm lazy and cheap.

-Penguin
Cooties was thought up so that people wouldn't start dating til middle and high school, but I was one of those people who had the brains to know that was total bull. (I was a straight A student back then, but now i'm straight F and C) but i had my first girl friend in 2nd grade
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 05, 2011, 04:45:39 PM
Cooties was thought up so that people wouldn't start dating til middle and high school, but I was one of those people who had the brains to know that was total bull. (I was a straight A student back then, but now i'm straight F and C) but i had my first girl friend in 2nd grade

You beat me by a year.  I was in third grade and I dated a second grader (creepy, isn't it).  After that, I didn't really go after girls until one went after me.  Then I stopped again.  Romance has never really interested me, then again, neither has friendship.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: F22RaptorDude on April 05, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
You beat me by a year.  I was in third grade and I dated a second grader (creepy, isn't it).  After that, I didn't really go after girls until one went after me.  Then I stopped again.  Romance has never really interested me, then again, neither has friendship.

-Penguin
got that right! I like to separate myself from the crowd of popular know nothing morons and just be happy with myself. I have 2 friends, very close, thats it, girls come and go but i've never gotten attached lol and as for that girl in 2nd grade, we dated til 7th lol
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 05, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
lol and as for that girl in 2nd grade, we playdated til 7th lol

Fixed that for you  :aok
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: F22RaptorDude on April 05, 2011, 07:03:38 PM
Fixed that for you  :aok
:lol Nah you just made yourself look pathetic  :rofl
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: EskimoJoe on April 05, 2011, 07:15:40 PM
You're one to talk  ;)
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Dichotomy on April 05, 2011, 07:23:53 PM
Good.  Next week we'll discuss why men are fascinated by bewbies long after they are no longer their primary source of food.

 :rofl I've cleaned this keyboard so much from reading responses on this site that there are no longer any visible markings on the keys. 
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Dichotomy on April 05, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
You obviously not had a tumble with a well endowed woman. Actually, I think I'm gonna have to pay my girlfriend a visit now  :D :devil.

Don't dirty up your monitor :P
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: Penguin on April 05, 2011, 07:50:12 PM
got that right! I like to separate myself from the crowd of popular know nothing morons and just be happy with myself. I have 2 friends, very close, thats it, girls come and go but i've never gotten attached lol and as for that girl in 2nd grade, we dated til 7th lol

When I say I don't care for friendship, I mean that I literally have no friends.  I am hated by the school- I fear for my life at parties.  On my first sports banquet, the team was going to throw me into a lake (and who knows what else).  There's a freshman boat cruise, and I'm convinced that someone will throw me overboard at the deepest part of the trip.  I will never, ever go to any event ever again.  No prom, no junior prom, nothing.

There's a robotics trip to Boston, and I'm thinking of writing my will and testament before going.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: F22RaptorDude on April 05, 2011, 09:45:16 PM
When I say I don't care for friendship, I mean that I literally have no friends.  I am hated by the school- I fear for my life at parties.  On my first sports banquet, the team was going to throw me into a lake (and who knows what else).  There's a freshman boat cruise, and I'm convinced that someone will throw me overboard at the deepest part of the trip.  I will never, ever go to any event ever again.  No prom, no junior prom, nothing.

There's a robotics trip to Boston, and I'm thinking of writing my will and testament before going.

-Penguin
No kid, I hate going to events, I'm going to prom tho, with my sniper rifle (airsoft) my ex is prom queen cause her dad bought her the position so me and this other guy are doing co-op to humilate her the best way we can. (need idea's) I actually formed the robotics club at my middle school, but my high school doesn't have it so go figure  :(
Title: Re: Shotgun, Chainsaw, Flamethrower
Post by: BnZs on April 06, 2011, 07:04:42 AM
Rights probably exist because hand weapons of even the most basic sort (gazelle femur) make the naked ape orders of magnitude more lethal than he was before. This turns the game of bullying one's fellow naked apes from a straightforward process of picking on smaller into a very dangerous games for all parties. Once you reach the level of the pointy stick, even the smallest and weakest adult male in the group has a good chance of ventilating your intestines in a fight if you push him. Some rude respect for his rights becomes prudent, at least until society becomes over-organized and "leaders", states, and organized armies of goons make baboon-style tyrants possible again.

Thank the apish man who invented the club. Thank Colt for the reliable repeating portable firearm. Together, they did more for "equality" than all the philosophers and statesmen in history.

One of the most adaptive traits of humans is probably the extent to which we do *not* dominate other humans. Ugg and Grugg are more likely to stand and fight off the saber-toothed tiger with Mugg if they have a hearth, woman, and whelps to defend as well. "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers." If Mugg managed to monopolize all females and resources (ignoring for the moment the fact I mentioned about the likelyhood of Mugg ending up stabbed for his trouble), it is quite likely he'd get slack help from those with no stake in the game.

I don't really buy pseudo-Freudian "phallic" theories. It is entirely probable that apes who fought their way to the top of a food chain using weapons and tools have an instinct to be fond of weapons and other tools in and of themselves, without referencing the sexual instinct.

EDIT: And I guess the thing about chainsaws is that most of the movie audience doesn't actually use one all that often. If they did they'd see it as a somewhat temperamental and heavy tool that is very ill-suited as a weapon, instead of a magic sword. I haven't experimented with this (for obvious reasons), but I've always felt like one blow with a heavy bladed weapon would be likely to sever the chain on one and leave it useless.



They're all phallic symbols with the capability of delivering massive catastrophic damage.  It's all about dominance and power, even if it's just a subconscious connection.  You can't just turn off millions of years of evolution by writing down a philosophical treatise about "human rights", even if those rights are enforced as the law of the land.  The body and brain chemistry that made humans "win" the scramble to the top of the food chain is still there, and it's all about surviving with a competitive position of advantage when looked at over the very very long term.

So... phallic symbols that invoke images of dominance and power are going to seem "cool" to most men, even if they don't know why.  And of course hollyweird is gonna do whatever it takes to sell tickets, so they go looking for these icons of power and use them to sell movie tickets.