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Title: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: OldDoom on April 03, 2011, 07:53:10 AM
Everyone knows it happens, there is a simple fix. Allow players the option of tuning off their friendly radar signature (ie the green dot) this would be similar to turning off IFF in modern aircraft.  Just a thought but my squaddies like the idea.  :salute


OldDoom
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: MachFly on April 03, 2011, 08:02:06 AM
I really don't think it happens that often, and HTC does not allow an IP address to have two counts (as far as I know).
I'm not a big fan of this idea because people will be mistaking friendlies for enemies, just like in the FSO. Now if the FSO this is generally not a problem because everyone always coordinates their tactics like in reality, in the MA most people don't do that. Don't get me wrong it's a good idea, I personally just don't really like it.



Just for the record, IFF existed during WWII.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 03, 2011, 02:52:26 PM
What problem is this supposed to fix?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: AWwrgwy on April 03, 2011, 03:00:35 PM
What problem is this supposed to fix?

SPIEZ!!1!

or, people with an extra $15 with nothing better to do with it.

 :bolt:


wrongway
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: climber on April 03, 2011, 07:30:26 PM
+10000000000000000000000000000000

Hide the goon from prying eyes.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: TwinBoom on April 03, 2011, 07:50:55 PM
not all do it "tunes" has 4 accounts that he flies all at same time usually catch him in his own bomber missions
he pays for 4 so let him "mo money" for game development IMO though
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PFactorDave on April 03, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
I had two accounts from the same ISP for a few months.  My squad never switches sides and I wanted to tour and get to know more people in Aces High, so I made a second account and used it to fly Knights and Rooks some.  Never used it to spy. 

Cancelled the second account some time ago, I just wasn't using it enough to justify paying for it.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: jimson on April 03, 2011, 08:40:29 PM
I seriously doubt HTC is going to try to prevent people from paying for extra accounts because...................... ..

that would be stupid.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: climber on April 03, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
I don't think that multiple accounts is the issue here.  The problem is with the potential of someone having multiple accounts on different countries or even giving mission details across a +200 channel.  If a person has multiple accounts and utilizes them in an appropriate manner (as most do), power to them.  Bring on more dollars to the HTC cause!

This shouldn't be a hard idea to implement.  It would virtually be the same as turning your tracers off in preferences. 

Here is a scenario where this would be a nice option:

A mission ups and heads NOE to a base with the idea to take said base.  The goon, in order to be on station, has already taken off.  Lets say that there is some disreputable man/child who feels the need to inform the defending country as to the whereabouts of the mission and or goon.  These people exist folks.  Probably not as much as we think but the loop-hole is definitely there for the taking.  If the goon pilot has the option of turning off his IFF then he has a better chance of not being "ratted out".  Could the beforementioned man/child still shadow the goon and do his little deeds?  Probably.  But why not have a simple option to prevent abuse of this loophole?

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ardy123 on April 03, 2011, 11:19:04 PM
I don't think that multiple accounts is the issue here.  The problem is with the potential of someone having multiple accounts on different countries or even giving mission details across a +200 channel.  If a person has multiple accounts and utilizes them in an appropriate manner (as most do), power to them.  Bring on more dollars to the HTC cause!

I don't even see the issue with that...
spies == combat.

If your goal is to not fight other humans, play off line.

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Karnak on April 03, 2011, 11:32:21 PM
-1

Chasing dots sucks and that is what this would cause at times, chasing a dot that doesn't show as friendly and isn't in friendly radar, so you think it is hostile.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PFactorDave on April 03, 2011, 11:35:39 PM
-1

Chasing dots sucks and that is what this would cause at times, chasing a dot that doesn't show as friendly and isn't in friendly radar, so you think it is hostile.

Agree

-1 also
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: BaldEagl on April 04, 2011, 02:09:33 AM
Soooo... what's to stop two guys in the same squad from being if different countires exchanging information?

I guess HT should cancel the accounts of everyone in a sqad then?

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Masherbrum on April 04, 2011, 07:52:29 AM
+10000000000000000000000000000000

Hide the goon from prying eyes.

"You can't hide your Lyin' Eyes!!"  :uhoh
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: OldDoom on April 04, 2011, 11:33:30 PM
Don't get the comments about chasing Dots? I am asking for the option to turn off your green dot! Can't chase one if its not there!

Let me ask inject another question; What would it hurt if a pilot had the option of turning off his green dot?

None I think, and it would prevent one form of cheating.

OldDoom  :)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: mechanic on April 04, 2011, 11:39:13 PM
It wouldnt prevent anything at all. All it prevents is a single person spying. Two people can still spy on seperate accounts. It's pointless, I'm sorry.

Be encouraged by the fact that 95% of people don't care enough about 'the war' to bother spying.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: mbailey on April 05, 2011, 06:03:04 AM
"You can't hide your Lyin' Eyes!!"  :uhoh

Song is gonna be stuck in my head all day now................Thanks  :lol

 
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 05, 2011, 07:08:57 AM
Don't get the comments about chasing Dots? I am asking for the option to turn off your green dot! Can't chase one if its not there!

Let me ask inject another question; What would it hurt if a pilot had the option of turning off his green dot?

None I think, and it would prevent one form of cheating.

OldDoom  :)

Here's what you don't get. You see a dot on your monitor out of icon range. It isn't on dar so it must be an enemy so you chase it. Turns out it's just a paranoid goon driver on your own side and you just wasted gas and time.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2011, 08:18:01 AM
But why not have a simple option to prevent abuse of this loophole?



What do you have against "Duh, KILL GOON"?

<snicker, snicker>
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: gyrene81 on April 05, 2011, 11:31:13 AM
Don't get the comments about chasing Dots? I am asking for the option to turn off your green dot! Can't chase one if its not there!

Let me ask inject another question; What would it hurt if a pilot had the option of turning off his green dot?

None I think, and it would prevent one form of cheating.

OldDoom  :)
where is the "cheating" part? someone have an aimbot, god mode hack, neon skin hack or something like that?

so you go in, turn off your green dot on dar option...if no one else does, your little green dot is still on their clipboard.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: IrishOne on April 05, 2011, 11:45:50 AM

Be encouraged by the fact that 95% of people don't care enough about 'the war' to bother spying.


+ a bazillion
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: LLogann on April 05, 2011, 11:50:07 AM
So..... Basically, no father/mother and son/daughter can play together because they use the same default gateway? 

-1

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Scca on April 05, 2011, 12:03:49 PM
No offense intended, but why is it we see posts like this from someone with a .09 K/D.  To me it seems they should learn the game before suggesting that people with 2 accounts are having an impact on game play.  It's kind of like someone telling Emeril to change a recipe before tasting the dish...  :noid

-2
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: druski85 on April 05, 2011, 12:11:03 PM
So..... Basically, no father/mother and son/daughter can play together because they use the same default gateway? 

-1


Not so sure you read this thread, but all the same -1 to the OP. 
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: IrishOne on April 05, 2011, 12:13:09 PM
I don't even see the issue with that...
spies == combat.

If your goal is to not fight other humans, play off line.



+ another bazillion
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
No offense intended, but why is it we see posts like this from someone with a .09 K/D.  To me it seems they should learn the game before suggesting that people with 2 accounts are having an impact on game play.  It's kind of like someone telling Emeril to change a recipe before tasting the dish...  :noid

-2

It's more like somebody writing Conde Nast with bad things to say about a restaurant's bathrooms - after they deliberately dropped trou and splatted a chunkload of corrosive hoishey squoit onto the floor in that same bathroom...

or would it be more like them dinging the condition of the restaurant's bathrooms after they stood on the lid and cigar-stubbed one onto the wall?

Maybe it'd be more like if they did the above after using the sink or urinal for an "inappropriate deposit".

Anyway, yeah, .09 is pretty bad. I killed a guy... or more like got on his six and watched him kill himself... the other w/e. I looked him up and he had a .04 k/d. I won't say who it was. Occasionally, though,  I get the pleasure of watching a good pilot do a dumb thing. I saw one such last w/e by one who inhabits this very board. I won't call him out but I was deadstick after ho'ing a B-17. His approach in the 190 was calculated and deliberate. When he closed to about d600, I waggled my Ki a bit, just to try to throw his aim. He continued firing, his engine roar drawing nearer, nearer, then I saw him, then <BOOM> and a system message. Nyuk, nyuk.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 05, 2011, 12:50:32 PM
An IP address should not have more than one account at a given arena. They should get discoed & reported. Cheating was wrong in school when you were young right? It's still wrong now. We up a mission and get there to find a bunch of enemy flying around waiting for us before we get there. In the same direction from their base? Knowing we were NOE? Looking for us on the deck? When there was no dar there before the mission. Cheaters on here suck! Just like companies who believe cheating you out of your money & say, "Oh that's just business". Don't try to say cheating is OK, or it's rare because it never happens to you.  :ahand
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: LLogann on April 05, 2011, 12:56:14 PM
 :uhoh  Not really it seems......    ;)

Not so sure you read this thread, but all the same -1 to the OP. 

That would be impossible!   :aok

An IP address should not have more than one account at a given arena.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 05, 2011, 12:58:15 PM
An IP address should not have more than one account at a given arena. They should get discoed & reported. Cheating was wrong in school when you were young right? It's still wrong now

Since when is father and son flying and having fun together "cheating" ?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2011, 02:29:24 PM
Since when is father and son flying and having fun together "cheating" ?

Lusche, do I really have to answer that?

It's when they shoots hizzace down.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Karnak on April 05, 2011, 02:35:08 PM
Here's what you don't get. You see a dot on your monitor out of icon range. It isn't on dar so it must be an enemy so you chase it. Turns out it's just a paranoid goon driver on your own side and you just wasted gas and time.

Its even worse when it turns out to be something fast, say, chasing a dar-dotless Mosquito when you are in a P-51.  You'll catch him, but you are both fast and have lots of fuel so it can take a long time to get to icon range.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 05, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
An IP address should not have more than one account at a given arena.


cheating never happens to me.  I don't do anything in the game that a spy would want to spy on.

tunes used to fly 4 or 5 sets of bombers by himself. who cares?

my brother and I play on the same connection. what are we supposed to do, buy another cable connection? are you really this dense / paranoid?

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: SlapShot on April 05, 2011, 03:32:56 PM

my brother and I play on the same connection. what are we supposed to do, buy another cable connection? are you really this dense / paranoid?


The "force" is not strong with that one ... forgive him.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2011, 05:21:29 PM

cheating never happens to me.  I don't do anything in the game that a spy would want to spy on.

tunes used to fly 4 or 5 sets of bombers by himself. who cares?

my brother and I play on the same connection. what are we supposed to do, buy another cable connection? are you really this dense / paranoid?



Speaking for myself, Kvuo, probably.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: gyrene81 on April 05, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
Anyway, yeah, .09 is pretty bad. I killed a guy... or more like got on his six and watched him kill himself... the other w/e. I looked him up and he had a .04 k/d. I won't say who it was. Occasionally, though,  I get the pleasure of watching a good pilot do a dumb thing. I saw one such last w/e by one who inhabits this very board. I won't call him out but I was deadstick after ho'ing a B-17. His approach in the 190 was calculated and deliberate. When he closed to about d600, I waggled my Ki a bit, just to try to throw his aim. He continued firing, his engine roar drawing nearer, nearer, then I saw him, then <BOOM> and a system message. Nyuk, nyuk.
sounds like some of the stuff i do..."look, sitting duck!!!"..."ah poop, this is going to leave a mark"...*tower*
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 05, 2011, 06:13:57 PM
sounds like some of the stuff i do..."look, sitting duck!!!"..."ah poop, this is going to leave a mark"...*tower*

Last w/e was ki-84 w/e for me. I was having some success - started with a big 4 k/d, then overstayed my welcome and burned it down to a .7 or so - but was still getting some kills. I happened on some "loser" in a P40E who treated me like the cheapest byotch. I forget who it was but he was on me from jump - until I died. I recognized the name from the bbs. He was definitely skilled with that piece of junk.

Yep, plenty to learn yet.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: curry1 on April 05, 2011, 08:20:28 PM
I had two accounts from the same ISP for a few months.  My squad never switches sides and I wanted to tour and get to know more people in Aces High, so I made a second account and used it to fly Knights and Rooks some.  Never used it to spy. 

Cancelled the second account some time ago, I just wasn't using it enough to justify paying for it.

O! rly?  :aok
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: oTRALFZo on April 05, 2011, 08:51:12 PM
-1
This will never work. Last week, rook codebreakers found out bish were running a mission but didnt know where. Bish just called it target EF.
Thinking that the target base was A93, I sent an uncoded message that the we were having water problems at A93 and when the bish generals sent out a message that target EF had water problems, we busted the raid and won the war. :joystick:
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 06, 2011, 10:02:07 AM
-1
This will never work. Last week, rook codebreakers found out bish were running a mission but didnt know where. Bish just called it target EF.
Thinking that the target base was A93, I sent an uncoded message that the we were having water problems at A93 and when the bish generals sent out a message that target EF had water problems, we busted the raid and won the war. :joystick:

Wow. I bet the mastermind Bish was flying a goon some time after that and you intercepted hizzace with a slew of P-38s, thus depriving the Bish of their top Evil Mastermind, who doubtless was educated in your country.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: LLogann on April 06, 2011, 10:10:33 AM
AF my brotha!!!    That is one of my top 3 WWII movies!   :aok

-1
This will never work. Last week, rook codebreakers found out bish were running a mission but didnt know where. Bish just called it target EF.
Thinking that the target base was A93, I sent an uncoded message that the we were having water problems at A93 and when the bish generals sent out a message that target EF had water problems, we busted the raid and won the war. :joystick:
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 06, 2011, 12:59:55 PM
Since when is father and son flying and having fun together "cheating" ?

OK, Why would the start off on different teams & end up on the same one?  :D
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: The Fugitive on April 06, 2011, 01:06:17 PM
Oh I don't know, maybe to see who's "best" in the family and then end up winging together on the same team.

I've done it with both my father and my brother in law. Sons can't stand the game. :)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 06, 2011, 01:34:44 PM
OK, Why would the start off on different teams & end up on the same one?  :D

Why do they have to fly for the same side?

It seems poeple like you feel that it's best to chop off the head to cure a case of the sniffles.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 12, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
Why do they have to fly for the same side?

It seems poeple like you feel that it's best to chop off the head to cure a case of the sniffles.

ack-ack

Not! Chop what head off?  :noid  I'm not implying that I know all the ways to cheat or how to stop then, but I believe more could be done. Some people like to cheat, see absolutely nothing wrong with it, & defend the right to continue doing it. Some folks even teach their kids to cheat & then are all confused when the kid gets caught & in trouble for cheating on something else more serious. If cheating were not an issue there would be no need for rules on here. Whatever. I don't know you & you don't know me, I won't make direct judgments on anyone I don't know personally, unless I witness it, but on the situation which can lead to cheating, I will discuss, to keep folks thinking. For instance; If someone bails after all the mission specifics are discussed, then shows up on the roster on a opposing team, our mission is a bust, All kinds of cons there when we arrive, on the side of the base we were coming from...? Nah you're right. It was a coincidence.  :huh   
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Getback on April 12, 2011, 05:45:09 PM
I admire the OPs thoughts. However, if they want two accounts I don't care. In fact I think it's good for Hitech.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: EagleDNY on April 12, 2011, 07:14:51 PM
An IP address should not have more than one account at a given arena. They should get discoed & reported.

This won't work.  1) On some networks, all you will see is the IP address of the gateway which means you would be locking out more than 1 person in an entire building or neighborhood.  2) If you are really concerned about cheating, it would take you about 20 minutes to learn how to beat an IP lockout by going thru a proxy server someplace.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Chalenge on April 13, 2011, 03:46:19 AM
Just remember: just because your not paranoid doesnt mean their not out to get you.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: mechanic on April 13, 2011, 05:44:45 AM
Chalenge quoting Kurt Cobain?

my my  :)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 13, 2011, 12:03:58 PM
I'm all for helping HTC. Howevwer we help them, they will be able/willing to spend more time improving the game. If a gamer logs onto the game, joins a mission, bails when they take-ff and logs onto an opposing side. That would be trackable and easy to stop & disco whomever is doing it.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 13, 2011, 12:14:39 PM
I'm all for helping HTC. Howevwer we help them, they will be able/willing to spend more time improving the game. If a gamer logs onto the game, joins a mission, bails when they take-ff and logs onto an opposing side. That would be trackable and easy to stop & disco whomever is doing it.

So you want to disco people on the possibility they might be spying?

All of these "solutions" to cheating and spying have 2 things in common. They restrict acceptable behavior while failing to accomplish their goals.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 13, 2011, 03:37:01 PM
So you want to disco people on the possibility they might be spying?

All of these "solutions" to cheating and spying have 2 things in common. They restrict acceptable behavior while failing to accomplish their goals.

I want to round them all up und put zem in der arbeitslager, there to perform medical experimentation on those dirty little slackers!

God forbid somebody might be enjoying themselves out there...
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: STEELE on April 14, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
The fix is so simple it hurts: Turn off green dots for goons only, give the goon a bright green dot signature like the 234 that can be seen from 9k away by friendlies so we dont end up chasing them, (or just use your radio to ask if the dot you're seeing is a goon or not) but still turn off clipboard dot for C47.   :aok
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
Two accounts is so 2005. You all need to get up to speed with what is going on in 2011. Film viewer in real time while your playing is what is going on of late . :aok Oh & for the record I don't do it.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Melvin on April 14, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
Two accounts is so 2005. You all need to get up to speed with what is going on in 2011. Film viewer in real time while your playing is what is going on of late . :aok Oh & for the record I don't do it.

SAY WHAT?  :O
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: hitech on April 14, 2011, 03:29:33 PM
Two accounts is so 2005. You all need to get up to speed with what is going on in 2011. Film viewer in real time while your playing is what is going on of late . :aok Oh & for the record I don't do it.

Of course you don't do this, it is not possible to be running AH and watching a film at the same time.

HiTech
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
Of course you don't do this, it is not possible to be running AH and watching a film at the same time.

HiTech
Sorry to tell you there are people who can & do. I don't know the specifics as I am not a PC guy. That aside from what I have been told it involves a second computer attached to your game PC & using the 2ND PC in some fashion to monitor the first one in real time via film viewer.

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: VonMessa on April 14, 2011, 03:40:18 PM
Sorry to tell you there are people who can & do. I don't know the specifics as I am not a PC guy. That aside from what I have been told it involves a second computer attached to your game PC & using the 2ND PC in some fashion to monitor the first one in real time via film viewer.



If someone needs to cheat that badly, I have no problem with it.  Chances are they suck so much that it won't be hard to kill them.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Melvin on April 14, 2011, 03:43:47 PM
Wow, that type of nonsense makes me go..

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z156/dairebucket/cosby.gif)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: VonMessa on April 14, 2011, 03:47:41 PM
Wow, that type of nonsense makes me go..

(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z156/dairebucket/cosby.gif)

Looks like the Cubbies when they come to town and Cliff Lee is pitching.   :P
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Melvin on April 14, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
Looks like the Cubbies when they come to town and Cliff Lee is pitching.

Touche'  :D
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 14, 2011, 03:52:06 PM
Sorry to tell you there are people who can & do. I don't know the specifics as I am not a PC guy. That aside from what I have been told it involves a second computer attached to your game PC & using the 2ND PC in some fashion to monitor the first one in real time via film viewer.




I doubt it's that complicated.. 2 pc's and file sharing on yer home network would do it. not in real time, but close to real time.. save film, copy film to other pc, run film viewer.

but what advantage does this give someone?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: fbEagle on April 14, 2011, 03:57:21 PM
Quote
Everyone knows it happens, there is a simple fix. Allow players the option of tuning off their friendly radar signature (ie the green dot) this would be similar to turning off IFF in modern aircraft.  Just a thought but my squaddies like the idea.  salute

Awesome idea +1!
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 04:01:14 PM

I doubt it's that complicated.. 2 pc's and file sharing on yer home network would do it. not in real time, but close to real time.. save film, copy film to other pc, run film viewer.

but what advantage does this give someone?

Well look at the list of items that are shown on film viewer. Who & where & in what. Makes for easy one shots on enemy tanks every time if you know exactly where they are & the exact range. Just for an example in GV's,now explore your options in the air fight range,location more than 10k away who is higher or lower who is in bombers or fighters. See what I mean.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 14, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
Well look at the list of items that are shown on film viewer. Who & where & in what. Makes for easy one shots on enemy tanks every time if you know exactly where they are & the exact range. Just for an example in GV's,now explore your options in the air fight range,location more than 10k away who is higher or lower who is in bombers or fighters. See what I mean.

ok yeah, but still....


If someone needs to cheat that badly, I have no problem with it.  Chances are they suck so much that it won't be hard to kill them.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
ok yeah, but still....


I know what can you do. Just wanted people to know that there is other ways out there than two accounts.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 14, 2011, 04:28:39 PM
Sorry to tell you there are people who can & do. I don't know the specifics as I am not a PC guy. That aside from what I have been told it involves a second computer attached to your game PC & using the 2ND PC in some fashion to monitor the first one in real time via film viewer.



Did you get that information on April 1st?

I monitor my game computer in real time by looking at it.

Edit: Presumably you mean to say that people are recording film and watching it on a second PC.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Chalenge on April 14, 2011, 04:38:10 PM
If someone needs to cheat that badly, I have no problem with it.  Chances are they suck so much that it won't be hard to kill them.

Hmmm... better check out the most often #1 guy then... 1 shots from up to 3k in tanks... always running from tough opponents when he sees them above his alt from 10k range!... and check the ch 200 logs where he and his squaddies admit doing it.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 04:44:49 PM
Did you get that information on April 1st?

I monitor my game computer in real time by looking at it.
No. Let me elaborate a little more. I was working a vbase with a tank by deacking it another individual came along with a C47 & parked it 8k away. While I was deacking he proceeded to tell me who just upped & in what & they are rolling towards me. So I killed said GV several times each time being told who & in what from some one 8k away.

I finally get base deacked & goon driver tells me he is on the way because he can see said person upping GV no longer upping from that V-base.

There was no others around enemy or friendly so no one else was a factor with how he knew. So I asked how did you know who & in what from several miles away. So he told me & all the other things you could do with it & others that he knew used it.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 14, 2011, 04:51:04 PM
I figured out what you meant Lyric. You posted during my edit.  It was the "real time monitoring" that threw me off.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 04:52:40 PM
I figured out what you meant Lyric. You posted during my edit.  It was the "real time monitoring" that threw me off.
I am not a PC guy so from my perspective it was happening in real time.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 14, 2011, 05:00:44 PM
I am not a PC guy so from my perspective it was happening in real time.

Real time monitoring means you see it as it happens. AH Film is a recording which you play back after the recorded event occurred.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 05:52:19 PM
Real time monitoring means you see it as it happens. AH Film is a recording which you play back after the recorded event occurred.
Yes I understand that. When your playing though & some one is telling you that an m16 just upped before you can see or hear him & your within a few hundred yards of spawn hanger & a second later the engine starts from that perspective it seemed live to me at the time.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FLS on April 14, 2011, 06:43:40 PM
I'm not arguing whether it was live or not, just defining terms. I assume you don't know how the person was monitoring, you just know what you were told by that person.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 06:50:26 PM
I'm not arguing whether it was live or not, just defining terms. I assume you don't know how the person was monitoring, you just know what you were told by that person.
Watching film viewer on 2ND PC that was monitoring 1st PC while in game? Best I can do for you on that.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: gyrene81 on April 14, 2011, 06:55:48 PM
Watching film viewer on 2ND PC that was monitoring 1st PC while in game? Best I can do for you on that.
doing it live would require knowing where and how the films are cached while the game is running...sharing the folder across the network and directing the film viewer to open the active file while it is still in the proces of being created...don't think it's possible, but hey there are some people who will go to extraordinary lengths to game the game.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 14, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
doing it live would require knowing where and how the films are cached while the game is running...sharing the folder across the network and directing the film viewer to open the active file while it is still in the proces of being created...don't think it's possible, but hey there are some people who will go to extraordinary lengths to game the game.

i doubt it's possible as well. I think it's more paranoia.

lyric, as far as GV's go, you realize one guy with 1 pc can up in a vh, run film. save film. tower out. exit game, look at the film. log back in, and have the same information, right? might take one minute.

Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
i doubt it's possible as well. I think it's more paranoia.

lyric, as far as GV's go, you realize one guy with 1 pc can up in a vh, run film. save film. tower out. exit game, look at the film. log back in, and have the same information, right? might take one minute.


Yes I have done that my self looking for ditched aircraft in flashing radar rings. That is not what I am talking about though. The goon got the capture after I deacked & I could see on my clipboard where it was parked prior to his arrival.

Paranoia is all these people in this thread thinking that every one has a second account or a squaddie that flipped sides to relay info. If some one could tell me any other method of how all the info was passed on to me from a C-47 sitting 8k away I would like to know how?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 14, 2011, 08:36:10 PM
Yes I have done that my self looking for ditched aircraft in flashing radar rings. That is not what I am talking about though. The goon got the capture after I deacked & I could see on my clipboard where it was parked prior to his arrival.

Paranoia is all these people in this thread thinking that every one has a second account or a squaddie that flipped sides to relay info. If some one could tell me any other method of how all the info was passed on to me from a C-47 sitting 8k away I would like to know how?


f5 + f8, and shift-f4 do wonders in a parked c47.  not to 8k, as far as I can tell, but I can spot stuff from f5+f8+shift f4 from at least 3.5k+ from a parked goon or a field gun..


you have film of the guy 8k away from the tanks spotting for you? somehow i doubt it since range vox is only 6k no?




Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 14, 2011, 09:48:28 PM

f5 + f8, and shift-f4 do wonders in a parked c47.  not to 8k, as far as I can tell, but I can spot stuff from f5+f8+shift f4 from at least 3.5k+ from a parked goon or a field gun..


you have film of the guy 8k away from the tanks spotting for you? somehow i doubt it since range vox is only 6k no?





Done that as well with parked goons. Yes your right about Vox to the best of my Knowledge. No I don't have film as I rarely ever film & was not on range.  Personally it is an issue I don't care about this happened many months ago. I just wanted to bring it to the attention of players that only have a narrow view of how things can be exploited.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Chalenge on April 15, 2011, 05:01:29 AM
Since it was the will of the original programmer that this specific objective be defeated through programming a "single instance" of AH I consider this to be... shall we say?... an extremely gray area bordering blackness. Im not sure how Hitech feels about it but I dont think further description would be a very good idea.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Bronk on April 15, 2011, 07:30:14 AM
Lyric
 2nd account in the tower of the vbase F5, F8 and I can tell you who ups what and where they are going..... not rocket science here folks.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 15, 2011, 07:31:28 AM
I'm not saying I know how to do it exactly, but surely the great minds here @ HTC could figure out a solution, which wouldn't be unnecessarily punitive to the innocent, but still control the behavior. That way, the behavior is stopped & not the play. Anyway, my intent was well meant and a poor aim at being helpful, but we all try to make the game better for us and our buds. :salute
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 15, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
Lyric
 2nd account in the tower of the vbase F5, F8 and I can tell you who ups what and where they are going..... not rocket science here folks.
Understood from that perspective. How ever we are talking about checking the roster of all possible players while this is going on & that just was not possible at that moment from the side I was on & the country I was attacking as there was not enough on that country's side to even make your scenario possible.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: B4Buster on April 15, 2011, 04:28:54 PM
I really don't think it happens that often, and HTC does not allow an IP address to have two counts (as far as I know).
I'm not a big fan of this idea because people will be mistaking friendlies for enemies, just like in the FSO. Now if the FSO this is generally not a problem because everyone always coordinates their tactics like in reality, in the MA most people don't do that. Don't get me wrong it's a good idea, I personally just don't really like it.



Just for the record, IFF existed during WWII.

I have two accounts.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 15, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
I have two accounts.

spy! !!!!  :D
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: B4Buster on April 15, 2011, 11:31:26 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: VonMessa on April 18, 2011, 06:37:20 AM
spy! !!!!  :D

Nah, just a tard      :D
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: FiLtH on April 18, 2011, 04:31:44 PM
  Ive always thought the nastiest thing people with 2 or more accounts coulds do, is form a squad, and with all but one of their accounts, go on the enemy side and spawn a 262 at a rear base and let it sit there, cranking up the enemy eny.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 19, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
 Ive always thought the nastiest thing people with 2 or more accounts coulds do, is form a squad, and with all but one of their accounts, go on the enemy side and spawn a 262 at a rear base and let it sit there, cranking up the enemy eny.

spawning a 262 would do nothing to eny.  eny is only based on #'s of people on each country.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 19, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
I think more shameful conduct would be to use one account to take off and autoclimb a box of bombers while you use the other to come shoot it down unopposed. If you rinsed and repeated enough, you could be one serious scoretard. In fact, you could probably win the Tour this way. Hmmm... I wonder if HTC would step in if somebody did such a thing?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 19, 2011, 09:08:34 AM
I wonder if HTC would step in if somebody did such a thing?

Yes. They have erased score and perks(!) of offenders in the past and will do again.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 19, 2011, 09:23:44 AM
Yes. They have erased score and perks(!) of offenders in the past and will do again.

So somebody actually did this? It's hardly a "game" if you're playing with yourself.

Let me get this right:

"Hey, look at me. I can up 200 boxes of Ju88s and shoot them down unopposed in a deserted corner of the MA. I am like a behemoth turd. Behold my girth and waftage and know that I must've been birthed by one king-sized sphincter in loud testament to the assertion that the "playing the back nine" method of conception control doesn't work."

Like that?
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 19, 2011, 09:29:02 AM
So somebody actually did this?

It happens occasionally. Every once in a while, a player has the genius idea that this may be a good way to boost his perks. But then, it's quite easy to sniff out ;)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: VonMessa on April 19, 2011, 09:55:14 AM
It's hardly a "game" if you're playing with yourself.



You are not doing it right...  :devil
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 19, 2011, 03:29:33 PM
I think more shameful conduct would be to use one account to take off and autoclimb a box of bombers while you use the other to come shoot it down unopposed. If you rinsed and repeated enough, you could be one serious scoretard. In fact, you could probably win the Tour this way. Hmmm... I wonder if HTC would step in if somebody did such a thing?

people have done, and htc does.

its called shade killing..
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on April 19, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
It happens occasionally. Every once in a while, a player has the genius idea that this may be a good way to boost his perks. But then, it's quite easy to sniff out ;)

yep with the new stats available.. easy stuff.. when one guy comprises 99% of someones kills..  :D
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: STEELE on April 20, 2011, 06:28:35 AM
It happens occasionally. Every once in a while, a player has the genius idea that this may be a good way to boost his perks. But then, it's quite easy to sniff out ;)
What do you call a military leader in pre-20th century Japan?   :rofl :rofl :rofl :bolt:
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: ozrocker on April 20, 2011, 08:15:04 AM
Never cares how many accounts (your name here) has/had.
Helps HT pay bills, R&D of the game, etc.
If Joeblow has x amount of money to spend, his/her business.
If cheating yourself by killing yourself floats your boat,
have fun!

                                                                          <S> Oz                   
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 20, 2011, 09:07:29 AM
If cheating yourself by killing yourself floats your boat,
have fun!
          


He's not cheating himself.

He's cheating the other players.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 20, 2011, 09:49:47 AM

He's not cheating himself.

He's cheating the other players.

Right. It's one thing to play with yourself. It's quite another to play with yourself _onto_ others. The game is competitively scored. Cheaters will be dropped into the Bantha pit.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: SlapShot on April 20, 2011, 04:01:08 PM
I think more shameful conduct would be to use one account to take off and autoclimb a box of bombers while you use the other to come shoot it down unopposed. If you rinsed and repeated enough, you could be one serious scoretard. In fact, you could probably win the Tour this way. Hmmm... I wonder if HTC would step in if somebody did such a thing?

You don't have to shoot a second account ... you could find some buddy (or buddies) to play drone for you.

Saw it happen in MW last week ... 21 kills in a Mossy followed by 16 kills in a jeep and when questioned about it ... poof ... disappears.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 20, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
Saw it happen in MW last week ... 21 kills in a Mossy followed by 16 kills in a jeep and when questioned about it ... poof ... disappears.

Interesting stuff I see in the stats. I guess you didn't inform HTC yet? ;)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: BERN1 on April 20, 2011, 04:21:21 PM
See Rule #7
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 20, 2011, 04:22:29 PM
You don't have to shoot a second account ... you could find some buddy (or buddies) to play drone for you.

Saw it happen in MW last week ... 21 kills in a Mossy followed by 16 kills in a jeep and when questioned about it ... poof ... disappears.

He has three helpers in MW.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 20, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
He has two helpers in the MW.

ack-ack

three ;)
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 20, 2011, 04:26:39 PM
three ;)

hehe...just saw the third looking over the stats.  I am surprised that a well known player that has railed against "behavior of players bringing down the game" is one of the accomplices.  

*edit* Looks like they are using the handle of a veteran player with a slightly different spelling to make it look like the veteran player is involved.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: lyric1 on April 20, 2011, 05:05:40 PM
hehe...just saw the third looking over the stats.  I am surprised that a well known player that has railed against "behavior of players bringing down the game" is one of the accomplices.  

*edit* Looks like they are using the handle of a veteran player with a slightly different spelling to make it look like the veteran player is involved.

ack-ack
OK a hint so I don't have to dig around please.

EDIT:Nevermind. My socks are smelly.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 20, 2011, 06:00:17 PM
OK a hint so I don't have to dig around please.

EDIT:Nevermind. My socks are smelly.

SPOILER ALERT! scroll down


























Marine Special Operations Command

and

(http://www.spitcrazy.com/padCF-18.jpg)

ack-ack
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: firemike on April 20, 2011, 06:42:57 PM
I really don't think it happens that often, and HTC does not allow an IP address to have two counts (as far as I know).
I'm not a big fan of this idea because people will be mistaking friendlies for enemies, just like in the FSO. Now if the FSO this is generally not a problem because everyone always coordinates their tactics like in reality, in the MA most people don't do that. Don't get me wrong it's a good idea, I personally just don't really like it.



Just for the record, IFF existed during WWII.
IFF didnt exist until the vietnam war
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Ack-Ack on April 20, 2011, 07:44:41 PM
IFF didnt exist until the vietnam war


(http://www.jiveturkeyjives.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/survey_says2.jpg)

IFF was first developed and used in World War II.  The first IFF system was the FuG-25a used by the Germans.

ack-ack
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 21, 2011, 07:33:37 AM
See Rule #7
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: SlapShot on April 21, 2011, 09:08:09 AM
Interesting stuff I see in the stats. I guess you didn't inform HTC yet? ;)

I was tempted to.
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: Lusche on April 21, 2011, 09:09:39 AM
I was tempted to.


I will play the snitch then  :D
 
Title: Re: Idea to prevent 2 account cheating
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on April 21, 2011, 09:26:03 AM
See Rule #7