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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rondar on May 11, 2011, 10:49:03 PM
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For some reason, if you sit with engine running and shooting at someone, all of the sudden my tank will just start going and shifting through the gears, after say, 2-3 shots. For the life of me, I can't figure out why we cant shift and select our own gears. Planes have the ability to adjust their rpm and manifold pressure, so they are not operating as a fixed pitch propeller. Is there any chance we can get the manual transmission back on the next patch? The automatic transmission we have now is just not working well overall, in my opinion. Thanks
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I don't GV much so I can't explain you how to do it but as far as I know you can shift gears right now.
I don't understand what is the point of having a manual transmission when all you have for it are two buttons? There is no clutch, no throttle, and you can't skip gears.
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Auto tranny - Shift W to max speed in your GV
Manual tranny - Shift W to max speed of current gear, gear select buttons
as previously included in game.
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No, that is not what I mean. I want the transmission to work like the old days. Push it once for 1st gear, and speed stays same, ie full speed, not always hunting for a speed. Push it again and it goes to second instantly and holds its speed. Push it again and it holds 3rd gear speed constantly, etc etc. Then back off by pushing the tranny button where there is a real neutral gear where the tank wont all of the sudden start moving forward and shifting gears like a madman. And the transmission on hills is just not working too good either.
Now, we got the rudder back on our stick. And that is great. I dont see why we cant have our forward and backward motion back too on the joystick.
EskimoJoe, if I hit shift w mine automatically runs through all the gears, not just the top speed of the one I have selected.
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EskimoJoe, if I hit shift w mine automatically runs through all the gears, not just the top speed of the one I have selected.
I was proposing a solution.
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The problem is probably your twist stick. I had the same issue and had to set a little dead band in my twist stick. Because you can use the twist to stear the tank it tries to move in that direction when it gets input. With the automatic transmission it starts going when it recieves input to move.
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You can do just that only better now you are able to tell your tank I want to go 14 MPH and it will stay there you can toejam W to go full speed of the tank or just hit w to speed up slowly and hold a speed any speed not just the speeds that your tranny used to give you. I have my joystick setup with Two thumb buttons one that speeds my up slowly one that reverses of slows me down. then on my hat I have Full speed and full stop. works great if I want to creep forward I can or I can quickly take off at full speed or stop.
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The new auto trans. "WORKS" but I think everyone can agree that the old manual style should be an option as well.
Let us choose which one we map please.
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i do have to say with the automatic tranny coming down hills now it seems like I'm reaching the speed of sound in less time, much faster than before with out the manual transmission i don't know if that's a good thing :headscratch:
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I used to really like GVing.
Not any more.
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I used to really like GVing.
Not any more.
Cant handle the improvements? ;)
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GVing is great now love it.
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You can do just that only better now you are able to tell your tank I want to go 14 MPH and it will stay there you can toejam W to go full speed of the tank or just hit w to speed up slowly and hold a speed any speed not just the speeds that your tranny used to give you. I have my joystick setup with Two thumb buttons one that speeds my up slowly one that reverses of slows me down. then on my hat I have Full speed and full stop. works great if I want to creep forward I can or I can quickly take off at full speed or stop.
What Greg says.
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The new auto trans. "WORKS" but I think everyone can agree that the old manual style should be an option as well.
Let us choose which one we map please.
How did you used to drive?
Shift into high gear, four to six button pushes, while pushing your stick forward?
Now, you don't need to push your stick forward. You can tap the W key, or whatever you have it mapped to, until you are going the speed you want or until you are in the gear you want to be in.
Want full speed right away? Shift + W or whatever you have it mapped to. One button.
Why do you feel the need need to shift?
The only reason I can figure people want to shift is to go into N and roll down hills.
Lets make N Park instead.
wrongway
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Cant handle the improvements? ;)
There are no "improvements" only changes.
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So can someone explain me how is the old gearbox better than the new one? At new one is a head of it time but at least it's realistic, the old one was not realistic at all and you could not hold the speed you wanted.
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The old transmission sucked. The way it works now is MUCH better. One you can stop from your gunsight and now instead of switching to driver stopping (or sometimes not quite stopping) then back to gun to try and shoot. now you just hit stop and your stopped. the only thing I can see is people want to go 100+ MPH down hills in N... other then that the old system sucked compared to the new one.
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For some reason, if you sit with engine running and shooting at someone, all of the sudden my tank will just start going and shifting through the gears, after say, 2-3 shots. For the life of me, I can't figure out why we cant shift and select our own gears. Planes have the ability to adjust their rpm and manifold pressure, so they are not operating as a fixed pitch propeller. Is there any chance we can get the manual transmission back on the next patch? The automatic transmission we have now is just not working well overall, in my opinion. Thanks
set the parking brake..... :noid
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Maybe don't sit with your engine running...
Pick a better spot to sit, so you can turn off your engine. Any friendlies around will appreciate the silence so they can more easily hear the enemy coming.
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i like the new tranny more mapping options would be nice but not nessarry. i have my "gear" selection mapped on j/s hatswith left accelerate, hat right slower, top left button full speed, top right button full stop. i have run into same thing and haveing the full stop on stick helps. a "harder" mapping would like a parking brake button would be nice, but id prolly be goin why wont the stupid thing move when im tryin too get out of your way :bhead
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Maybe don't sit with your engine running...
Pick a better spot to sit, so you can turn off your engine. Any friendlies around will appreciate the silence so they can more easily hear the enemy coming.
this is a VERY valid point.....especially considering the anti-idling laws all over the place. you could get a ticket. :noid :rofl
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Initially I did not like the changes in the GV's at all - Really more of a knee jerk reaction because you have to learn the new controls. After the fix to turn off the mouse look option and re-introduction of use of rudder peddles for steering, I found it was close enough to what I found acceptable.
I have remapped a number of keys to suit my own setup and preferences. I have found somethings are definately better and others less convenient, overall, whilst it is not perfect, it works well enough for me.
I think a fair few people in here need to review the way their gear is set up and make changes to suit. The auto-transmission box works just fine once your controls are properly set up. It is easy enough to check by taking your own sticks etc out of use and trying it with the keys only. It's then a matter of finding out what your stick and buttons are actually doing if it is not working as it should.
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I have a problem with the shifting also. When I hit the W to start forward I stay in low gear the transmission will not speed up no matter how many times I push the W key. Then sometimes it will shift just fine or start to shift fine for no reason I can tell after punching the W key 50 times???
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I have a problem with the shifting also. When I hit the W to start forward I stay in low gear the transmission will not speed up no matter how many times I push the W key. Then sometimes it will shift just fine or start to shift fine for no reason I can tell after punching the W key 50 times???
Could be a calibration issue See the thread link below
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312586.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312586.0.html)
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I did set up more deadband in the joystick rudder control, and it helped. But if you accidently "twist" if engine running while stopped tank will start moving. If anything it should just pivot slowly, as in creeping in first gear.
this is a VERY valid point.....especially considering the anti-idling laws all over the place. you could get a ticket. :noid :rofl
Ya know, sometimes ya gotta sit behind a hill or something and you are shooting at somebody. I move back and forth a bit if I need to. If I'm parked where I am comfortable, the tank should stay there without moving, unless I tell it to move forward or backward. A parking brake such as the symbol . or shift . would be great to keep tank still. I wouldnt gripe a bit if we had a parking brake.
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I have a problem with the shifting also. When I hit the W to start forward I stay in low gear the transmission will not speed up no matter how many times I push the W key. Then sometimes it will shift just fine or start to shift fine for no reason I can tell after punching the W key 50 times???
Have you tried holding the W key? Like driving a car, you don't tap on the gas pedal and expect the car to accelerate...you have to hold your foot on the pedal.
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There are no "improvements" only changes.
What is worse about these changes? How were the old ones at all better?
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What is worse about these changes? How were the old ones at all better?
Nothing, everything is wonderful, 4,000 (?) people think the changes are great and I'm the only one who doesnt.
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Nothing, everything is wonderful, 4,000 (?) people think the changes are great and I'm the only one who doesnt.
Actually, there are two who don't. I don't like trying to drive a vehicle solely with the cruise control either. Apparently everyone else uses their cruise control to drive not only on the freeways but city streets, around corners, in parking lots, and right into their garage. We just don't have their massive skillz Wobbly.
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Nothing, everything is wonderful, 4,000 (?) people think the changes are great and I'm the only one who doesnt.
That really doesn't address any issues. It's more of a whine.
Actually, there are two who don't. I don't like trying to drive a vehicle solely with the cruise control either. Apparently everyone else uses their cruise control to drive not only on the freeways but city streets, around corners, in parking lots, and right into their garage. We just don't have their massive skillz Wobbly.
Cruise control...?
What exactly did you need to actively do to move forward before? What do you need to do now? Compare and contrast.
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Cruise control...?
What exactly did you need to actively do to move forward before? What do you need to do now? Compare and contrast.
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What we had before was an analog throttle/brake giving you fine control and immediate response; except for the annoying auto acceleration if you centered the stick. Analog control is responsive: you can quickly make big changes or small changes.
What we have now is exactly like a cruise control- push a button to accelerate, hold it down and wait until you reach the desired speed, push another button to reduce speed, hold it down until you slow down to the new desired speed. Excellent for unattended cross country traveling, not so responsive for maneuvering in town or to take up a hull down position.
What I'd want would be to be able to map the right toe brake as an analog vehicle throttle and the left toe brake as an analog brake (the twisty stick would then be the differential clutch/brake steering). That'll never come to pass because then one would have to keep ones foot down on the throttle to keep moving. So I'll continue to run into things and get killed when I overshoot my chosen hull down position.
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What we had before was an analog throttle/brake giving you fine control and immediate response; except for the annoying auto acceleration if you centered the stick. Analog control is responsive: you can quickly make big changes or small changes.
What we have now is exactly like a cruise control- push a button to accelerate, hold it down and wait until you reach the desired speed, push another button to reduce speed, hold it down until you slow down to the new desired speed. Excellent for unattended cross country traveling, not so responsive for maneuvering in town or to take up a hull down position.
What I'd want would be to be able to map the right toe brake as an analog vehicle throttle and the left toe brake as an analog brake (the twisty stick would then be the differential clutch/brake steering). That'll never come to pass because then one would have to keep ones foot down on the throttle to keep moving. So I'll continue to run into things and get killed when I overshoot my chosen hull down position.
Boy I must not have been doing it right with the old system.
I'd start the engine, shift through the gears while holding my stick forward until I got to maximum speed in whatever gear I was in, usually the gear I could go fastest in. To slow down, I downshifted and ended up going max speed in the next lowest gear. No fine adjustment. Only immediate because I was slamming the gears lower. To stop, yank back on the stick until you roll to a stop.
Fine control adjustments are much easier now. Tap W, or whatever button you've mapped, until you are going the exact speed you want.
Want to creep forward from a stop? Tap W, Tap W.
Want to stop? Shift + S. Slow down a bit? Tap on S.
Seems pretty straight forward to me, but I'm no experten.
You can kind of set your toe brakes as accelerator and brake, just when you let off the "accelerator, you don't slow down. You need to "brake".
Map W to the right toe and S to the left toe in your gv mode.
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You can kind of set your toe brakes as accelerator and brake, just when you let off the "accelerator, you don't slow down. You need to "brake".
Map W to the right toe and S to the left toe in your gv mode.
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Perhaps with external pedal software you can do that. It is not possible to map an analog axis to a keypress in AH.
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Perhaps with external pedal software you can do that. It is not possible to map an analog axis to a keypress in AH.
This is why I had to change the Pedal Toe Axis to Key Press in CH Control Manager
An improvement in AH would be to have AXIS for the Accelerate and Brake/Reverse in much the same way as Aircraft toe brakes that in AH can be assigned to either a Key Press or an Axis.
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There are no "improvements" only changes.
Obviously a matter of opinion, 'ol chap! :)
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Perhaps with external pedal software you can do that. It is not possible to map an analog axis to a keypress in AH.
Yes, as AWwrgwy has said.
In mode 1(Aircraft)
My Toes brakes in aircraft are mapped to keys C & V (the default), I used to have them on the analog brake axis for the toes, but CH gear lets you change the toe axis to a key press instead.
In mode 2 (GV's)
My toes brakes are still programmed to C & V so I simply remapped the GV S(brake/reverse) and W(accelerate) to C and V instead.
The range dial was on C and V in GV's so I had to change that (remap AH Gunner) but thats all.
I haven't, I still have them on the pedals
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The problem is - Automatic transmissions in a era where there weren't any.
No tanks, jeeps, M3, 251's or any other vehicle in WWII service had an automatic transmission. Bring back the old way please.
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No, that is not what I mean. I want the transmission to work like the old days. Push it once for 1st gear, and speed stays same, ie full speed, not always hunting for a speed. Push it again and it goes to second instantly and holds its speed. Push it again and it holds 3rd gear speed constantly, etc etc. Then back off by pushing the tranny button where there is a real neutral gear where the tank wont all of the sudden start moving forward and shifting gears like a madman. And the transmission on hills is just not working too good either.
Now, we got the rudder back on our stick. And that is great. I dont see why we cant have our forward and backward motion back too on the joystick.
EskimoJoe, if I hit shift w mine automatically runs through all the gears, not just the top speed of the one I have selected.
Somethings wrong, pressing w once shifts to one gear, I would suggest calibrating your joystick which has been a problem in the past.
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Somethings wrong, pressing w once shifts to one gear, I would suggest calibrating your joystick which has been a problem in the past.
Only 7 months late... ;)
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The problem is - Automatic transmissions in a era where there weren't any.
No tanks, jeeps, M3, 251's or any other vehicle in WWII service had an automatic transmission. Bring back the old way please.
It isn't an automatic transmission. It is the driver, who is controlled by AI. You, as the commander, are simply telling him to go a certain speed and then he (the AI) decides which gears to use in order to do so.
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The problem is - Automatic transmissions in a era where there weren't any.
No tanks, jeeps, M3, 251's or any other vehicle in WWII service had an automatic transmission. Bring back the old way please.
You know this for a fact?
Dynaflow was the trademark name for a type of automatic transmission developed and built by General Motors' Buick Motor Division from the late 1940s to the mid 1963. The Dynaflow, which was introduced for the 1948 model year only as an option on Roadmaster models, received some severe early testing in the M18 Hellcat tank destroyer, which were built in Buick's Flint, Michigan assembly plant during World War II. It was also used in the 1951 Le Sabre concept car
The first tangible result of the Transmission Development Group's labors was Buick's M-18 Hellcat tank destroyer, which used a modified Allison TorqMaster bus transmission with a torque converter replacing the clutch. The Hellcat proved very successful, validating many of Kelley's ideas. It set the stage for torque converter transmissions for GM's postwar passenger cars.
Always wondered why it was called a "Torqmatic Transmission".
http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html (http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html)
I have had an idea vis a vis a "manual" transmission though.
I mean, what was the old "manual" transmission anyway?
You pressed a button and pushed your stick forward until you topped out and pushed a button again.
My idea is to make a "Manual" transmission option like a stall limiter or prop overspeed thingy in WWI.
You check the "manual transmission" box and, like now, press W to go forward. Unlike the "automatic", you would only accelerate until you reached the top speed in that particular gear. Then, you would need to press another button to "shift" into the next gear, press w again until you topped out in that gear and repeat.
Maybe they could also intoduce engins stalling out if you don't downshift properly as you slow down or if there is too much load on the engine due to going up hill.
You can have your "manual" transmission. :neener:
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The new auto trans. "WORKS" but I think everyone can agree that the old manual style should be an option as well.
Let us choose which one we map please.
YES YES YES... :salute
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I have W and S mapped to the small joystick on my G13 controller. To move ahead slow... just a slight tap forward and release. Full speed... push forward for a second or two and release. Same with going backwards and stopping. I dont mind the new system at all... just took some getting used to.
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Personally I liked the old set up better but that doesn't automatically mean that I hate the new setup also. I think that (for the most part) it works well but it does still need some bugs ironed out of it. I think the two biggest problems are as follows:
1> Lack of acceleration while turning. If you're giving it too much steering input (if you use the rudder axis for steering) then it does not want to accelerate unless the rudder controls are fully centered. For those with jittery pots or even if wanting to make a quick turn right after starting to roll this can be.. well annoying at best, deadly at worst. One example is leaving the VH. You start to roll and as soon as you hit the doorway you turn left. You're stuck at a slow speed until you either complete the turn or decide to go straight instead. It's almost as if Aces High is telling us "You're too stupid to navigate that turn while accelerating so I'm going to slow down for you". I don't agree with this and if we want to flip our tanks then that should be our business and not the games.
My solution for this is to let it limit turning control using WASD BUT if we choose to use analog controls (rudder axis) for steering then let us make our own mistakes.
2> Speed hunting. This happens when going up a hill on an incline where it is too steep for the next gear to maintain the vehicle speed. During the old system we would (for example) be climbing a hill in 1st gear and accelerate to about 8mph then shift into second and slowly accelerate to 15mph. Then we would shift into third and since the engine isn't powerful enough to handle that incline in that gear it would slow down. At that point we would just downshift to 2nd and stay in that gear until we got over the hill. The new system does this: 1st gear - accelerate to 8mph. Shift to second and accelerate to 15mph. Shift to 3rd and decelerate to 8mph. Downshift to 2nd and accelerate to 15mph. Upshift to 3rd and decelerate to 8mph. Downshift to 2nd and accelerate to 15mph. Instead of holding 15mph in second gear instead we are now accelerating to 15 then slowing to 8 then back to 15 and back to 8 and so on and so forth. Very annoying and some tanks will even come to almost a complete stop before downshifting. Sure we can tap "W" a few times and gradually accelerate while staying in 2nd gear but if we press it one too many times it upshifts and we have to start all over again. Also if the hill incline changes then we have to start from scratch.
My solution for this (other than to return to manual shifting) is to just get rid of gears altogether. With an automatic the whole 'shifting of gears' effect is pretty unnecessary. Each tank should have it's own max speed and also its own max speed vs. incline type of setting. In other words you can say a tank has a 24mph limit on level ground, a 20mph limit at a 10% grade, a 12mph limit at a 20% grade, etc etc. There's no reason we should have to dick around with trying to keep a certain speed while climbing a hill when the whole ShiftW and ShiftS thing is supposed to make this easier. On a hill we should be able to hit ShiftW and get to the maximum speed that tank can handle with that incline and not have to worry about it.
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YES YES YES... :salute
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You know this for a fact?
Always wondered why it was called a "Torqmatic Transmission".
http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html (http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html)
I have had an idea vis a vis a "manual" transmission though.
I mean, what was the old "manual" transmission anyway?
You pressed a button and pushed your stick forward until you topped out and pushed a button again.
My idea is to make a "Manual" transmission option like a stall limiter or prop overspeed thingy in WWI.
You check the "manual transmission" box and, like now, press W to go forward. Unlike the "automatic", you would only accelerate until you reached the top speed in that particular gear. Then, you would need to press another button to "shift" into the next gear, press w again until you topped out in that gear and repeat.
Maybe they could also intoduce engins stalling out if you don't downshift properly as you slow down or if there is too much load on the engine due to going up hill.
You can have your "manual" transmission. :neener:
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Okay, so the M18, any other Vehicles, I don't think so.
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For some reason, if you sit with engine running and shooting at someone, all of the sudden my tank will just start going and shifting through the gears, after say, 2-3 shots. For the life of me, I can't figure out why we cant shift and select our own gears. Planes have the ability to adjust their rpm and manifold pressure, so they are not operating as a fixed pitch propeller. Is there any chance we can get the manual transmission back on the next patch? The automatic transmission we have now is just not working well overall, in my opinion. Thanks
: less chances of you killing me :aok
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You know this for a fact?
Always wondered why it was called a "Torqmatic Transmission".
http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html (http://m18hellcat.com/m18hellcat/Home.html)
I have had an idea vis a vis a "manual" transmission though.
I mean, what was the old "manual" transmission anyway?
You pressed a button and pushed your stick forward until you topped out and pushed a button again.
My idea is to make a "Manual" transmission option like a stall limiter or prop overspeed thingy in WWI.
You check the "manual transmission" box and, like now, press W to go forward. Unlike the "automatic", you would only accelerate until you reached the top speed in that particular gear. Then, you would need to press another button to "shift" into the next gear, press w again until you topped out in that gear and repeat.
Maybe they could also intoduce engins stalling out if you don't downshift properly as you slow down or if there is too much load on the engine due to going up hill.
You can have your "manual" transmission. :neener:
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This.
It's exactly how I would design it if it were up to me. I personally can't stand the auto trans we have now but I don't think going back to the old way would be best. I like having the ability to choose my speed now. But consider hill climbs. As it is now you gotta fumble around with it till you find the right gear and then you have to slow WAY DOWN to get it to down shift. The accelerate back up to speed with out over accelerating and making it shift back up the the head you were just in. I hope HTC can move forward with this idea and implement it soon.
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For me the problem with the auto trans is the random hunting for a gear while going up a hill. This is extremely frustrating since a tiny change in angle results in a very different speed, and coupled with the problem of not always knowing what your angle is, creates alot of guesswork. I dont think that a manual trans is worth going back to, I just wish what we had was predictable. If it was I don't think there would be many complaints.
I'm going with the auto trans (but more predictable) because I'm taking the role of the "tank commander" I'm not shifting, my driver is. I dont have to push buttons to reload, that stuff just gets in the way.
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1> Lack of acceleration while turning. If you're giving it too much steering input (if you use the rudder axis for steering) then it does not want to accelerate unless the rudder controls are fully centered. For those with jittery pots or even if wanting to make a quick turn right after starting to roll this can be.. well annoying at best, deadly at worst. One example is leaving the VH. You start to roll and as soon as you hit the doorway you turn left. You're stuck at a slow speed until you either complete the turn or decide to go straight instead. It's almost as if Aces High is telling us "You're too stupid to navigate that turn while accelerating so I'm going to slow down for you". I don't agree with this and if we want to flip our tanks then that should be our business and not the games.
To turn a tank you disengage one track from the transmission so that the track on the outside of the turn is the only one powered. This may not actually cause the tank to turn; I've see a report of someone who drove a T34 that said disengaging the clutch on one track did not cause the tank to turn, it just plowed mostly straight ahead. To get it to turn he had to brake the idle track. So turning tanks involves braking a track, which is certainly going to slow you down. That being said I think this is overmodeled in AH, i.e. it slows the tank too much. I've compared videos of real T34s doing rapid turns from a standstill and they are much faster than the AH version. Indeed the acceleration in first gear of the AH tank seems quite weak compared to the real one.
The problem is exacerbated by the rubber band like steering of AH tanks: you must turn far beyond your desired heading because the tank turns back like it's on a rubber band. This overturning slows you even more than if you turned a bit to the heading you wanted and the tank stayed on that heading.
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For me the problem with the auto trans is the random hunting for a gear while going up a hill. This is extremely frustrating since a tiny change in angle results in a very different speed, and coupled with the problem of not always knowing what your angle is, creates alot of guesswork. I dont think that a manual trans is worth going back to, I just wish what we had was predictable. If it was I don't think there would be many complaints.
I'm going with the auto trans (but more predictable) because I'm taking the role of the "tank commander" I'm not shifting, my driver is. I dont have to push buttons to reload, that stuff just gets in the way.
Tap S until it stops the "accelerate/decelerate loop".
You realise it is really nothing more than an annoying noise. You are actually going as fast as possible up hill with the vrrrrr-errrrrr-vrrrrr-errrrr, 15mph-12mph-15mph, versus just 12mph.
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