Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cut67 on October 28, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
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yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX4lghdrPuI
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All I saw was a whole lot of unnecessary camera shake.
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That's lag I think.
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Its not lag, if it was lag the aircraft wouldnt shake like that.
Its ether turbulance, or from shockwaves. Since their close to the ground.
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It would shake like that if it was lag because the aircraft is moving much faster than other units, so any equal lag-induced deviation from pre-lag spike heading would equal a correspondingly much larger acceleration and BF-type lag correction (that makes both your aim and movement lag/warp), which in the cockpit translates into camera POV shifts IOW G-force visuals.
There's no such shakes in any official footage I've seen.
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I was surprised you didn't get ripped apart by the guide wires on that big antennae you passed right after takeoff. ;)
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I want that game.
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What was your speed?
It seems way bellow 100kts.
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so wait..
you get audio AND visual clues when to shoot?
I might actually fare well in that game. Not that I'll ever play it.
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You also get audio clues when to pop flares :noid. Only way to bring down a competent pilot is either with the AAA gun batteries/heavy MGs, or 2+ people with anti air rockets.
If it's a 1 v 1, then it's whoever manages to get guns on the other guy. Which is hard because virtually all ACMs are pointless there.
I prefer the infantry/tank maps than Caspian Border or Kharg.
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You also can't look around without relinquishing flight controls.
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Personally, I've always hated being stuck with one view through that tiny wind screen and expected to know just what the heck is going on. External view helps, but you can't shoot with it nor can you see behind yourself no matter you do. Relinquishing controls to look around is a no-go, just doesn't help when you take 3 seconds to find the other guy and 5 seconds to turn to that position where he was 4 seconds ago...
'Tis why one of the first thing I'm looking forward to unlocking is the stinger/igla. That's if they can fix the stuttering first.
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The jets do shake like that in game that isn't lag. Why does everyone on this forum have to be so hostile about games that aren't Aces High?
Also why is the kill epic looks just like all the kills I get in a jet?
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Some of you morons need to pick up a damn dictionary and read up on the word "epic".
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Some of you guys need to pick up a dictionary and read up on the word "epic".
+1
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Some of you morons need to pick up a damn dictionary and read up on the word "epic".
Some of you morons need to accept that society is constantly evolving and changing.
Do you realize that the very sentence you just typed would have been preposterous even two hundred years ago?
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What does constant evolution have to do with that kill not being epic?
The jets do shake like that in game that isn't lag.
How do you know?
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What does constant evolution have to do with that kill not being epic?
My mistake if he was unclear stating his problem with the usage of the word.
Because one thinks something is 'epic' does not mean he's a moron if it does not appeal to you the same way.
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Do you realize that the very sentence you just typed would have been preposterous even two hundred years ago?
Did you get in your epic time machine and go ask your epic ancestors?
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Did you get in your epic time machine and go ask your epic ancestors?
Did you ever pay attention to the first-hand documents in U.S. History class?
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Did you ever pay attention to the first-hand documents in U.S. History class?
My school district was epic poor so we had second hand documents.
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My school district was epic poor so we had second hand documents.
'Hella' would be the more appropriate substitution.
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'Hella' would be the more appropriate substitution.
Thanks Cartman.
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Anyone remember the most epic thread to ever be posted on these boards?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,287802.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,287802.0.html)
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How do you know? (on the shaking of battlefield 3 jets)
I own the game bro.
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How do you know it's not lag?
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How do you know it's not lag?
There is a difference between how the jets move when there is lag, and how them shaking due to being in close vicinity of an explosian/shockwave.
Ive yet to experiance much lag, but when they DO lag, they move similier to how planes in AH move. they'll keep bouncing back& forth. or "Warping".
They did the same thing with the planes on 1943. That shaking is too smooth, along with the sound, to be from lag.
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Some of you morons need to pick up a damn dictionary and read up on the word "epic".
I too fail to see the "Epic"ness here as well.
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Perhaps it's shacking because the camera is not mounted well? :D
On a serious note I've noticed that some of the crappy movies try to increase excitement by shaking the camera in combat, perhaps that's what they are trying to do to this game as well.
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It seems Natural Point (Track IR) is trying to convince EA to add Track IR features to one of the new patches that will come later. As soon as this is official, I'll buy myself a copy of BF3... otherwise, I'll stick to youtube videos of poor flying skills and 100mph jets pulling 10Gs. http://forum.naturalpoint.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=49277#Post49277 (http://forum.naturalpoint.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=49277#Post49277)
In BF2 I was the king of jets and 30:1 K/D ratio was not uncommon (until I realized I had no life) so I demand Track IR support! :furious
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Thanks Cartman.
Hella is from northern California, not Colorado :D
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ep·ic
[ep-ik]
adjective Also, ep·i·cal.
1.
noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style: Homer's Iliad is an epic poem.
2.
resembling or suggesting such poetry: an epic novel on the founding of the country.
3.
heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.
4.
of unusually great size or extent: a crime wave of epic proportions.
sorry children, no matter how much you like the word, not everything is "epic." who cares what people said 200 years ago or even 2 years ago. wrong is wrong. realize it.
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How do you know it's not lag?
I am actually gong to have to agree with Tyrannis on this one. There is sound along with the shaking and when it does lag it is very noticeable. I am not sure why the shaking happens but my theory is it happens when you fly through a wake and when you engage afterburner. Let me do some research becuase I am not 100% sure.
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Apparently the shaking might be turbulence.
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I am asking how you can tell the difference between shaking from lag and shaking from turbulence. Unless you know something I don't, lag spikes' acceleration onto player/aircraft position would translate into the same cockpit POV/sound/etc effects as turbulence.
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I don't see anything "epic" about a kill needing guns and two missiles...
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Epic?
Not impressed.
Now, Schatzi in a Hurri Mk1 was epic...
http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/TNFS.wmv (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/TNFS.wmv)
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I am asking how you can tell the difference between shaking from lag and shaking from turbulence. Unless you know something I don't, lag spikes' acceleration onto player/aircraft position would translate into the same cockpit POV/sound/etc effects as turbulence.
If it was lag, the plane would of jumped back and forth in a jagged motion. or "Warping". and the sound would not of been so on par with the movements. it would of been delayed. similier to how your screen flickers, etc.
That jets shaking is,again, too smooth. the music follows the movement perfectly. And the jet he's chasing is not warping. But running smoothly aswell. if it was lagging, that jet would of been bouncing back & forth on the screen.
The shaking is from the shock waves of explosions. DICE has a habit of making even the littlest explosion on the map felt by everyone.
Say he happened to fly over an abrams, who at that moment had shot a fuel depot. The shock wave from the fuel depots explosion would cause the jet to shake like that.
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That's more convincing
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Can it just be caused by the pilot using afterburners?
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If your looking for an epic ground combat game then buy BF3.
If your looking for an epic ground and air combat game then dont buy it. The air componant and flight model sucks and even most joysticks arent supported. Theres no TrackIR and even if you do manage to grab a jet, flying it with board and mouse, you'll have hoardes of 14yos slinging Manpads at you. Despite the eye candy and fancy damage model it is NOT a good flight game.
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But.... If you, somehow, manage to put up with all that.. You can obliterate ground units. One pass with full cannon burst (till it overheats) on target will fry anything.
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If it was lag, the plane would of jumped back and forth in a jagged motion. or "Warping". and the sound would not of been so on par with the movements. it would of been delayed. similier to how your screen flickers, etc.
That jets shaking is,again, too smooth. the music follows the movement perfectly. And the jet he's chasing is not warping. But running smoothly aswell. if it was lagging, that jet would of been bouncing back & forth on the screen.
The shaking is from the shock waves of explosions. DICE has a habit of making even the littlest explosion on the map felt by everyone.
Say he happened to fly over an abrams, who at that moment had shot a fuel depot. The shock wave from the fuel depots explosion would cause the jet to shake like that.
All right except for the explosions part.
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But.... If you, somehow, manage to put up with all that.. You can obliterate ground units. One pass with full cannon burst (till it overheats) on target will fry anything.
Yeah and it is really easy to avoid the shoulder mounted SAMs and AA vehicles. You take a pass wait for the enemy missile to lock and launch flares then you just have to be moving fast enough to stay out of the mini-gun and 50cal fire. rinse and repeat. Since the air combat in Aces High is so difficult and SA is required it is to easy to defeat the run of the mill noobs in bf3 most of which are flying with mouse and keyboard. I killed 15 jets in a row and the other team complained about me and said they wouldn't fly anymore becuase I was a sweetheart or whatever. So I proceeded to strafe all of their armored vehicles to hell.
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Yep
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Yeah and it is really easy to avoid the shoulder mounted SAMs and AA vehicles. You take a pass wait for the enemy missile to lock and launch flares then you just have to be moving fast enough to stay out of the mini-gun and 50cal fire. rinse and repeat. Since the air combat in Aces High is so difficult and SA is required it is to easy to defeat the run of the mill noobs in bf3 most of which are flying with mouse and keyboard. I killed 15 jets in a row and the other team complained about me and said they wouldn't fly anymore becuase I was a sweetheart or whatever. So I proceeded to strafe all of their armored vehicles to hell.
Yup, don't overkill too much because otherwise you will start being called a hacker :rolleyes:
At some point, it will be hard not to be kicked off their servers and as such, it must feel gratifying instead of frustrating :noid
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Yup, don't overkill too much because otherwise you will start being called a hacker :rolleyes:
At some point, it will be hard not to be kicked off their servers and as such, it must feel gratifying instead of frustrating :noid
Exactly I felt like I accomplished my mission once no one would up any more. On one server a guy said so pitifully, "I hope you enjoy your free kills I am just trying to learn" that I apologized because I killed him 6 times in a row and stopped flying the jets for his sake. It really isn't fair for the people who have never really flown in games before.
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Why can't Aces High look this good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=bZ6j8p6w2RI
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The Jets are pretty much nonplayers in the ground game. Nobody pays much attention to them. Its hard enough in a chopper to pick off enenmy soldiers let alone a jet. The fast movers were ill concieved, ill modeled, slow, and like I said, "no freaking joystick support". Then you always have mobs jumping in them, most of all on the 64 player servers. And I dont care how good you are your at risk of all the ground fire. Theres no training support. Players are just jumping in them and crashing them all the time.
The flight componant of BF3 is an epic fail. Its an arcade flight game not a multi-player sim. Dont leave Aces High to fly in BF3.
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Checking out the video, there were also some great videos of mid airs with the jets. Spectacular. I haven't got BF3 yet, I'm broke, yes so broke that I couldn't afford the game. So grumpily I went back to MW2 online. There is an obvious drop in numbers on their servers. At one point there were just four of us in a free for all. I'm guessing everyone has migrated, at least until MW3 comes out.
As for the experience levels of the flyers in BF3. I wouldn't worry too much. The game is barely out. Once they get the hang of it, there'll be seriously epic battles. The AH brigade have the upper hand right not but it won't last.
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/nLOhh.gif)
i lol'ed.
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What is this for? XBox?
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/nLOhh.gif)
i lol'ed.
You were attacking a gunship with a propane torch? :headscratch:
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You were attacking a gunship with a propane torch? :headscratch:
i think he was going in to repair it. no?
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You were attacking a gunship with a propane torch? :headscratch:
1. Thats not me. Just a gif a friend show'ed me.
2. the repair tool (Propane tank) Does do damage to enemy vehicles, you can also kill enemies with it. Had alot of fun doing that in bc1.
The gif is basically, An engineer is running to a damaged friendly chopper to repair it, when all a sudden a strafing enemy jet comes out of nowheres, and due to poor piloting, crashes while attempting to strafe the heli. Blowing both him, and the heli up.
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If you dont have the game you probably shouldnt even be commenting. Yes the game BF3 is capable of recording serious eye candy, yet so was CODBO and that game sucks. As far as the air game goes you will be extremely dissapointed going from a game like Aces High to BF3. Aces High has so much more flight control, so much better support, has Track IR, has a huge stable of available war planes and ground vehicles. If it was even close to BF3 graphics-wise I'd never play another game. And communications? Comms in BF3 sucks if your used to AH, where you have any number of voice channels available. Besides TS you only have a cumbersome drag and drop in game VOIP which doesnt work worth a darn anyways. Then to make it worse the squad system is messed up and your squad will end up getting split into different teams when the map changes anyways due to server balances. The end result is, even if your on a squad, and I am, you have to use TS3 with 1/2 on one team and the other 1/2 on another. And you end up talking about beer or baseball. A different experiences from the constant "check 6's" on Aces High.
So after the first few days of eye candy "wow" you start seeing the limits of this game. BF3 is not only not a flight sim its not even a flight game. Theres no real skil involved, no sticks or throttles, no comms, no teamwork. Only eye candy and waiting to get one of two airplanes. Plus its buggy and already being hacked.
I left Aces High due to the numbers drop and stale game play. I did not leave to play BF3 the flight game, and neither should you.
Checking out the video, there were also some great videos of mid airs with the jets. Spectacular. I haven't got BF3 yet, I'm broke, yes so broke that I couldn't afford the game. So grumpily I went back to MW2 online. There is an obvious drop in numbers on their servers. At one point there were just four of us in a free for all. I'm guessing everyone has migrated, at least until MW3 comes out.
As for the experience levels of the flyers in BF3. I wouldn't worry too much. The game is barely out. Once they get the hang of it, there'll be seriously epic battles. The AH brigade have the upper hand right not but it won't last.
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Choppers are 100X more fun than the jets.
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Choppers are 100X more fun than the jets.
Yet jets rape choppers... :noid
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/nLOhh.gif)
i lol'ed.
:lol
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Yet jets rape choppers... :noid
2 guys with stingers are a much bigger pain in the ass.
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The Jets are pretty much nonplayers in the ground game. Nobody pays much attention to them. Its hard enough in a chopper to pick off enenmy soldiers let alone a jet. The fast movers were ill concieved, ill modeled, slow, and like I said, "no freaking joystick support". Then you always have mobs jumping in them, most of all on the 64 player servers. And I dont care how good you are your at risk of all the ground fire. Theres no training support. Players are just jumping in them and crashing them all the time.
The flight componant of BF3 is an epic fail. Its an arcade flight game not a multi-player sim. Dont leave Aces High to fly in BF3.
Lol no one is going to leave AH to fly in BF3. However, I disagree that jets are not effective in the ground role once you get rocket pods they are as effective as the gunships pilots rockets.
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I was flying a full huey on Caspian Border conquest and a jet ran into me and killed all 6 of us. 4 of us were in a squad and party, and there was much laughter and swearing.
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2 guys with stingers are a much bigger pain in the ass.
That and MGs are the only real way to bring down a plane/heli. If you're by yourself, you have almost no chance of bringing down a plane/heli.
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Play BF3 becuase of this.
http://gamingbolt.com/this-is-how-james-bond-would-play-in-battlefield-3 (http://gamingbolt.com/this-is-how-james-bond-would-play-in-battlefield-3)
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Play BF3 becuase of this.
http://gamingbolt.com/this-is-how-james-bond-would-play-in-battlefield-3 (http://gamingbolt.com/this-is-how-james-bond-would-play-in-battlefield-3)
Now that was pretty cool much more "epic" then the original link :aok :lol
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Hey moot, to give you an idea of how the jets look when lagging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e5h6QU3YT3I#!
Skip to 1:40. thats how the jets tend to act when lagging.
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Hey moot, to give you an idea of how the jets look when lagging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e5h6QU3YT3I#!
Skip to 1:40. thats how the jets tend to act when lagging.
Exactly.
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Wow. An Su-25 flying like a zero. :huh :rofl
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I've shot down more jets with helis than in jets. A decent gunner and air to air missiles negate the jets, ground fire is much more deadly.
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I've shot down more jets with helis than in jets. A decent gunner and air to air missiles negate the jets, ground fire is much more deadly.
Yeah almost zero of the jet pilots can take a helo down in a single pass. Unless they are in a A-10 or Su-25.
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And you end up talking about beer or baseball. A different experiences from the constant "check 6's" on Aces High.
Curious that. In my experience it's the other way round: plenty of time to chat in AH, and always way more tactical info to communicate than there's time for in BF3.
Hey moot, to give you an idea of how the jets look when lagging:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e5h6QU3YT3I#!
Skip to 1:40. thats how the jets tend to act when lagging.
I was thinking much lighter lag than that.
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Wow. An Su-25 flying like a zero. :huh :rofl
I got the giggles from the SU 25 being armed with a rotary cannon instead of an autocannon. :rofl
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Curious that. In my experience it's the other way round: plenty of time to chat in AH, and always way more tactical info to communicate than there's time for in BF3.
I agree AH is a very slow paced game if you are half-alert you can see any situation develop.
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I just wanted to step in here and say that this:
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/GenBeef/2622.png)
Is an EpIc JeT Kill(z).
:D
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Heres another example of the silliness of the BF3 flight game. With AH one has a training room where you can pretty much train with anything and never be bothered. With BF3 you can type "practice" into the server window and enter a practice server to at least try and learn to fly with a mouse. However these practice servers have more score padding boneheads in them then players actually practicing. They will spawn camp runways with jets, choppers, or manpads, and pad their scores with easy kills of noobs whom are actually trying to improve their skills. And none of its Policed.
At least with BC2 you could go into empty servers and practice. With BF3 you need at least 7 players to make a server go active.
No Track IR, lousy comms, only a couple jets available "and players have learned how to "game" the use of them already. They have learned to hold down certain keys to always have a jet available. :huh Even if you want to fly you may never get your hands on a jet in a round anyways.
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I just wanted to step in here and say that this:
(http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/GenBeef/2622.png)
Is an EpIc JeT Kill(z).
:D
:rofl
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Hey, if you cant fly em', Drive em'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JzLARSQup70