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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SELECTOR on December 13, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
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If they are gonna try some reduced icon ranges, why not bring back night time.
If its good enough to keep GV'ers happy why not bring it back for the players who enjoyed the night hunting..
( why are there not as many people playing AH as there used to be?)
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Good idea :aok
But you can do that yourself offline... :noid:
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I liked the night folks with tracers never see me comin :D
and 17 thought you were still stuck in offline yourself?
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No
There might be some people who would enjoy it but I highly do not recommend ruining the game for other 99.9%.
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If they are gonna try some reduced icon ranges, why not bring back night time.
If its good enough to keep GV'ers happy why not bring it back for the players who enjoyed the night hunting..
( why are there not as many people playing AH as there used to be?)
The reduced icon ranges are for air to GV as far as I know. It has nothing to do with air to air. Running night would effect air to air more than any reduction in air to ground icon ranges does GVs. People logged off in droves when we had night, and the few that stayed bumped up their gamma. Might as well just shut down the servers for a bit a save the electricity.
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No
There might be some people who would enjoy it but I highly do not recommend ruining the game for other 99.9%.
Cept that it didnt for 99%
99% didnt log off. I doubt even 30% even logged off. Just enough to cause HT to change it.
Im for the return of night as I enjoyed the whole 15-20 minutes at a time it was around. I just highly doubt it will be brought back
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Cept that it didnt for 99%
99% didnt log off. I doubt even 30% even logged off. Just enough to cause HT to change it.
What makes you think everyone who did not log off enjoyed it? Perhaps they just had nothing better to do.
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What makes you think everyone who did not log off enjoyed it? Perhaps they just had nothing better to do.
What makes you think it was 99% who didnt enjoy it?
I never saw anywhere near even 50% complain about it. More often then not it was the same 10-15 players whining about it over and over making claimes of "most." when those claims werent even close.
I know far more people who enjoyed it or at the least didnt mind it for the relatively short time it took place then who didnt like it.
Thats the part that cracked me up too. It was only in effect for a short while each time it happened. Its not like it lasted 8 hours at a clip.
I dare say most people I know go AFK to take a leak or get something to eat that take at least as long.
The entire complaint is silly at best.
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What makes you think it was 99% who didnt enjoy it?
I never saw anywhere near even 50% complain about it. More often then not it was the same 10-15 players whining about it over and over making claimes of "most." when those claims werent even close.
I know far more people who enjoyed it or at the least didnt mind it for the relatively short time it took place then who didnt like it.
Thats the part that cracked me up too. It was only in effect for a short while each time it happened. Its not like it lasted 8 hours at a clip.
I dare say most people I know go AFK to take a leak or get something to eat that take at least as long.
The entire complaint is silly at best.
How can you possible enjoy night?
You might as well turn your monitor off and sit there pretending to fly.
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How can you possible enjoy night?
You might as well turn your monitor off and sit there pretending to fly.
Easy. I had my monitor calibrated correctly. Many dont. I myself didnt think so until I calibrated it (Had a link posted somewhere) If everything was/is black to you then you dont.
Night time should look like a bright harvest moon, not pitch black. If you;ve ever been outside during one you can actually read by that kind of light.
You should be able to see pretty good at a decent distance but longer distances you start to have problems. I find visuals on other cons during night to be about the same or slightly better then during FSO where you have a limited range.
Im looking for some screen shots someone took a while back of what night time should look like to you
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Night time flying is one aspect aces high needs to bring back. I'm sorry a few kids will log off simply because they can't see - well neither did anyone in World War two, the hazard of flying at night was instrumentally hard, however we have Icons.
It should of been brought back long ago, enough of this arcade crap.
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I'm guessing that night wouldnt be "pitch black"
I'd like to try it!
A concern would be the little crank the gamma trick, and the silly amounts of nasty pm's complaints, and general whining that I think would result.
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IMO its very unlikely it will come back cept on special occasions like Christmas (For which I am rarely if ever on because of family obligations elsewhere.)
Not something I agree with but it is what it is.
Really this discussion is little more then rhetorical
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Easy. I had my monitor calibrated correctly. Many dont. I myself didnt think so until I calibrated it (Had a link posted somewhere) If everything was/is black to you then you dont.
Night time should look like a bright harvest moon, not pitch black. If you;ve ever been outside during one you can actually read by that kind of light.
You should be able to see pretty good at a decent distance but longer distances you start to have problems. I find visuals on other cons during night to be about the same or slightly better then during FSO where you have a limited range.
Im looking for some screen shots someone took a while back of what night time should look like to you
I've done enough flying (real life) at night and unless your over a city you wont toejam $h1t. Half the time you wont even see the horizon.
You just gave us another reason why we should not have night. Some players will up the gamma on their monitors and make it like a day.
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Oh you good and old night, I miss you so much... even they put working lights on the cockpit and was hoping for someday that they will put navigation lights, landing lights and even lights on the gv's but o well, some kids didn't like it and they took it out... :frown:
PD: learn to calibrate your monitor/screen and you will have a great time, was hard to hit the planes but was a lot more fun.
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was hoping for someday that they will put navigation lights, landing lights and even lights on the gv's but o well
HTC is not going to put lights on aircraft that did not have them. Most WWII aircraft did not have lights. I have also yet to see a WWII with headlights.
PD: learn to calibrate your monitor/screen and you will have a great time, was hard to hit the planes but was a lot more fun.
What's the point of having night if your going to make your monitor show it like day?
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-1 to bringing night back to Aces High.
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when I started playing I played in the night, till somebody told me how to adjust my monitor to turn it into day. and since most people actually just adjust their monitor then what was the point of calling it "night"?
I have a great idea:
why not those who want night adjust their monitor so it can get darker? rest of us just play as usual, because that's how many people will be playing in the dark.
semp
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I have a great idea:
why not those who want night adjust their monitor so it can get darker? rest of us just play as usual, because that's how many people will be playing in the dark.
semp
:aok
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Just a big lol for you guys... calibrating the monitor isn't the same as turning up the contrast. When you have a calibrated monitor you don't even need to "re-adjust" the monitor for the night time cuz you can see pretty nice is dark but not black.. not the same but o well, yea you got it right night sux, who need something more that needs a lil more skill to get a kill :noid
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when I started playing I played in the night, till somebody told me how to adjust my monitor to turn it into day. and since most people actually just adjust their monitor then what was the point of calling it "night"?
I have a great idea:
why not those who want night adjust their monitor so it can get darker? rest of us just play as usual, because that's how many people will be playing in the dark.
semp
clueless
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clueless
yes you are.
semp
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yes you are.
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Not even close
Vadjan-Sama has the right idea
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Not even close
Vadjan-Sama has the right idea
The right idea is to make night look like day and then hunt for people who don't cheat?
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Not even close
Vadjan-Sama has the right idea
what adjust monitor so you can see better in the "night"? I had a low end computer/monitor but I had no problem seeing planes in the so called "night".
semp
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Bring back night so I can exploit it with a gamma adjust and get easy kills!
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Also, daylight fighters didn't fight at night in WWII, there is no realism reasin to this.
For the pple that weren't there, The MA lost about half its players when night was enabled. 30% loged, the rest waited in the tower, the others adjusted their gamma.
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It was just an idea, didn't want people to fall out over it..
My point is this. During the 6 years of world war two (yes im british and WW2 started in 1939)Just about half that time (3 Years) it was dark..
Imagin maybe in the near future being ably to do the dambusters raid (if AH update the lancaster to carry other weapons). Or even night fighter radar on the me 110/ ju88..
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+1
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The right idea is to make night look like day and then hunt for people who don't cheat?
No, the right adea is to set up your monitor correctly. Then you dont have to turn up the gamma, or cheat. AND you get an all around better picture for just about everything else.
THATS what people arent getting. If you couldnt see at night. Your monitor wasnt set up correctly to begin with. If it was. You wouldnt have to turn night into day by turning up gamma.
Prior to doing a proper calibration. I myself thought that my monitor was set up fine. Everything seemed to look fine to me so I never really questioned it.
And yes night time in game was really dark
Then I stumbled across a monitor calibration utility and on a whim decided to give it a shot figuring at worst if I didnt like it I could always turn it back the way it was before. And I was astounded by how much better everything looked. Not just in game but with just about everything else as well.
Again. on a properly calibrated monitor. Night should look no darker then a bright harvest moon without making any changes to your gamma. The distances at which you normally fight you should be able to see and fight, just fine. If anything the icons should be easier to see and mostly the coloring on the planes themselves that are effected. Its at larger distances at the end of icon ranges is where you loose any real visibility.
And still. The entire thing only lasted around 15 min. And even then only every so often. If 15 min is a deal breaker for people then they have larger issues they need to deal with.
I've seen and see entire sections of maps closed down for longer then that. I've been on flights to fights that have lasted that long. Seen people sitting in a tower waiting for hangars to reup that long.
Aside from the fact that some people might actually be wro,wro wro wrong about how well their monitor is set up
Thats what makes the entire whine against night so pathetically silly. It was only somethng that some people had to deal with for 15 minutes.
In the end it doesnt matter cause those that did the Rumpelstiltskin routine got what they tempertantrumed for.
As my father in law used to say .
"you win. pick up the marbles"
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If they are gonna try some reduced icon ranges, why not bring back night time.
If its good enough to keep GV'ers happy why not bring it back for the players who enjoyed the night hunting..
( why are there not as many people playing AH as there used to be?)
There Were Night Arena's?
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Cept that it didnt for 99%
99% didnt log off. I doubt even 30% even logged off. Just enough to cause HT to change it.
Im for the return of night as I enjoyed the whole 15-20 minutes at a time it was around. I just highly doubt it will be brought back
i say a separate LW night arena should be made. dusk to dawn then flip it like they do dawn to dusk now
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+1 to night plus some night fighters with radar (though with allready have a link16 enviroment plus jhmcs type like info - i mean icons)
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Again. on a properly calibrated monitor. Night should look no darker then a bright harvest moon without making any changes to your gamma. The distances at which you normally fight you should be able to see and fight, just fine. If anything the icons should be easier to see
what is the point then?
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Proper color choices in the arena setup is critical for a playable "night". I've played around enough with custom arena settings to come up with what I think is a good mix of darkness and playability. Adjusting the color of the light helps with the mood, but a little tweak goes a long way so be careful when playing with the light.
Perhaps if enough people show an interest, I will spawn up a custom arena some evening so you can fly around in "night" and see what you really think of the idea. :aok
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that's nice dredger is going to pay a professional screen calibration for everyone! And the monitor that goes with it!
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Proper color choices in the arena setup is critical for a playable "night". I've played around enough with custom arena settings to come up with what I think is a good mix of darkness and playability. Adjusting the color of the light helps with the mood, but a little tweak goes a long way so be careful when playing with the light.
Perhaps if enough people show an interest, I will spawn up a custom arena some evening so you can fly around in "night" and see what you really think of the idea. :aok
I ll be there! :aok
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As someone who was playing back in the day when there was a true night cycle (as I recall it was 10-15 minutes long) I'm in absolutely no rush to see it make a return to the MA's. Once the novelty wore off it was just frustrating flying around trying to see your opponents. The first few times you fly around at night you think "hey this is pretty neat!" but after a while of squinting at the screen trying to see the bad guys you just log or go afk to have a sandwich till the sun comes up. If I had my wish we'd do away with dawn and dusk as well, I can't see anything during those times either.
My recommendation is that if you want a night time GV battle organize a group and create a custom arena to duke it out. Night time is part of the game, it's just enabled/disabled in the arena settings as I recall.
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I seem to remember the cycle being longer. 15 minutes of dusk, 30 minutes of night, and 15 minutes of dawn. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have minded if it was only 15 mintes total. Heck you can't get a beer and take a leak in 15 minutes!
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If it's night it should be night -- dark night. Horizon barely visible, pretty much gotta fly by instruments night. Where the heck is the airfield night. Do away with gamma adjustment so it's an even playing field, bring in some night fighters with inflight interception radar and woohoo it'll be fun.
Having a full moon is almost like cheating. :devil
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is that if you want a night time GV battle organize a group and create a custom arena to duke it out. Night time is part of the game, it's just enabled/disabled in the arena settings as I recall.
This is the best use of the custom arena - set up your favorite map with your favorite settings and get your friends in there. Even though the player limit is 16 in a custom arena, it's still great fun if you're all fighting each other instead of off sightseeing.
The setting for night enable/disable is not really there. You can set "dusk" and "dawn", meaning when the sun sets and rises, but the game jumps right from dusk to dawn without ever going into "night". If you set "dusk" for 22:00, the sun will set at 10pm and then jump to whatever time you set for "dawn".
You have to manually set the time somewhere between dusk and dawn to have it be night - "true" night is programmed for 05:30. Set your time for that with a timescale of 0 to lock it into night. But, it's kind of neat to start at 4am with a timescale of whatever you want so the game clock advances - eventually you'll see a nice sunrise as daylight breaks.
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Just squint. :D No programming changes needed then. :aok
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:lol Tried that... just felt like I had glaucoma
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that's nice dredger is going to pay a professional screen calibration for everyone! And the monitor that goes with it!
Now I know why so many ppl cry about the night, totally ignorant ppl, 1.- search for the program in inet (free), 2.- run it, 3.- set up your monitor (not any professional thing, just your monitor, the on you already have... ) and magic!!! not even a nice try to be sarcastic.
And you don't even need to download a program... they are lots and lots of websites about that...
http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/
http://www.wikihow.com/Calibrate-Your-Monitor
Easy as typing http://www.google.com then "calibrate monitor" the magic is done!!!
The concept is simple:
"Many computer monitors come from the factory preset for an office working environment which may not be ideal for viewing and editing photographic images. For color accuracy and consistency work in a darkened environment"
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Again. on a properly calibrated monitor. Night should look no darker then a bright harvest moon without making any changes to your gamma. The distances at which you normally fight you should be able to see and fight, just fine. If anything the icons should be easier to see and mostly the coloring on the planes themselves that are effected. Its at larger distances at the end of icon ranges is where you loose any real visibility.
Then it's not realistic and therefore pointless.
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Cept that it didnt for 99%
99% didnt log off. I doubt even 30% even logged off. Just enough to cause HT to change it.
Im for the return of night as I enjoyed the whole 15-20 minutes at a time it was around. I just highly doubt it will be brought back
While it wasn't 99%, it was over 50% that would log off when night came around.
ack-ack
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I will create a custom nighttime arena on 12/15 (Thursday) from 19:30~22:00 Central Time. We can fly and GV all you want with anything in the inventory for free. I'll be using my small 64-mile terrain "Canyon", which is built for small two-sided battles. While I'm in there, I'll be on vox 250 so anyone can tune in to talk. We can also talk about and play with settings if anyone is interested.
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HTC is not going to put lights on aircraft that did not have them. Most WWII aircraft did not have lights. I have also yet to see a WWII with headlights.
All planes in AH have interior lights that would turn on when night came around. You were actually able to spot other planes in the sky near you by the glow of their internal cockpit lights.
ack-ack
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Also, daylight fighters didn't fight at night in WWII, there is no realism reasin to this.
Yes they did.
ack-ack
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Then it's not realistic and therefore pointless.
It is for a full harvest moon.
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All planes in AH have interior lights that would turn on when night came around. You were actually able to spot other planes in the sky near you by the glow of their internal cockpit lights.
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The glow came from the combat-trim light, if that would be turned off the cockpit would become dark.
He was asking for the external lights.
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The glow came from the combat-trim light, if that would be turned off the cockpit would become dark.
He was asking for the external lights.
Lights came from the illuminated cockpit dials, not the little green light showing combat trim was enabled.
ack-ack
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Lights came from the illuminated cockpit dials, not the little green light showing combat trim was enabled.
ack-ack
I guess I forgot.
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HTC is not going to put lights on aircraft that did not have them. Most WWII aircraft did not have lights. I have also yet to see a WWII with headlights.
Huh? You need to look a bit closer the next time your next to a WWII aircraft. I haven't been around one that didn't have nav lights and landing lights.
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Huh? You need to look a bit closer the next time your next to a WWII aircraft. I haven't been around one that didn't have nav lights and landing lights.
From the top of my head: Spitfire.
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I just thought about this and I can't think of a single WWII aircraft that has external lights. Night fighters and post WWII mods don't count.
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I just thought about this and I can't think of a single WWII aircraft that has external lights. Night fighters and post WWII mods don't count.
Wow. Check photos of the P51B, B-17 and B-25...all have landing light in leading edge of wing. 51D has landing lights in the gear wells. That's just 4 off the top of my head.
Landing light on 51B, left wing leading edge:
(http://forum.armyairforces.com/download.axd?file=1;205485&where=msg)
51B 3-view showing nav lights. Wingtip lights mounted both upper and lower surfaces. Tail lower part of rudder:
(http://en.valka.cz/attachments/3588/P-51B_w_Malcom_3D_view.gif)
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From the top of my head: Spitfire.
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv3/1sum41/Spitfire_-_3.jpg) I see NAV lights on the wing tips.
:salute
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Wow, your right.
Interesting.
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Wow, your right.
Interesting.
and you seem to have been wrong across a number of topics of late....might leave that sorta thing to google or the folks who know something about it. :neener:
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While it wasn't 99%, it was over 50% that would log off when night came around.
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Exactly! If you were around when they did this you'd remember there were multiple arenas too. Once night started to fall in one of them so did the attendance in it. Bottom line is it sucked for the 99% of the people that were there at the time and that's why it's not here now. Say what you want--but that's a fact, jack. It_ sucked_. Some--I'd say a very few--might remember it differently, but I'd also say those few prolly sucked in daylight and that's prolly why they liked the "darkness" so much. LIke the dark? Set up a custom arena and have at it with your 4 buddies.
In short, -1,000,000
Please stop.
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LIke the dark? Set up a custom arena and have at it with your 4 buddies.
Just so people can see for themselves...
I will create a custom nighttime arena on 12/15 (Thursday) from 19:30~22:00 Central Time. We can fly and GV all you want with anything in the inventory for free. I'll be using my small 64-mile terrain "Canyon", which is built for small two-sided battles. While I'm in there, I'll be on vox 250 so anyone can tune in to talk. We can also talk about and play with settings if anyone is interested.
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So how'd it go? Full house?
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So how'd it go? Full house?
I'll let you know once it's held...tonight. ;-)
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Bring back night time flying. Those who use the gamma trick are not playing for the realism anyway.
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I'm not sure I know which night we are talking about. When did night leave the arena? When I 1st started playing <2004> there was a sorta quasi night that would roll around twice a day I think. I did not care for that much.
That is nothing like the night that we get around Christmas Eve, coming up shortly, where it is very dark but crisp and clear. I think that is very cool and would love to have that for an hour or 2 a day.
Did they used to run Christmas Eve type night in the arenas daily?
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Did they used to run Christmas Eve type night in the arenas daily?
Yes.
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and you seem to have been wrong across a number of topics of late....might leave that sorta thing to google or the folks who know something about it. :neener:
You keep count? :D
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Why don't we test this. Let's organize an MA type even in a custom arena that will have continues night and we'll see the number of people that show up.
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Why don't we test this. Let's organize an MA type even in a custom arena that will have continues night and we'll see the number of people that show up.
Guess you haven't read this whole thread ;)
I posted this quote earlier today to quote what I posted yesterday afternoon.
LIke the dark? Set up a custom arena and have at it with your 4 buddies.
Just so people can see for themselves...
I will create a custom nighttime arena on 12/15 (Thursday) from 19:30~22:00 Central Time. We can fly and GV all you want with anything in the inventory for free. I'll be using my small 64-mile terrain "Canyon", which is built for small two-sided battles. While I'm in there, I'll be on vox 250 so anyone can tune in to talk. We can also talk about and play with settings if anyone is interested.
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Guess you haven't read this whole thread ;)
I posted this quote earlier today to quote what I posted yesterday afternoon.
Just so people can see for themselves...
I meant something official supported by HTC with announcements in the normal MA and home page. The test will be unsuccessful if there are very few people doing it, and not too many people read this thread.
I should have elaborated more on the word "organized".
Since you are a CM can you make arena wide announcements to let everyone know that your arena is up? If so that should do the trick.
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If they are gonna try some reduced icon ranges, why not bring back night time.
If its good enough to keep GV'ers happy why not bring it back for the players who enjoyed the night hunting..
( why are there not as many people playing AH as there used to be?)
Recently I noticed the twilight/dim hours between sunset and sunrise in the MA was a little longer than usual, making things also a little darker and for longer than usual (I don't know if it's still this way or if it was reverted about a week or two ago)... I liked it, but I heard numerous "why are the lights out?" "when did it get so dark?" "how do you turn the light on?" comments in country and on squad VOX. I think it's a can of worms, something we would love to have if only half of us didn't hate it.
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Since you are a CM can you make arena wide announcements to let everyone know that your arena is up? If so that should do the trick.
I'll pop into the MA and go on 200 and country, but this isn't what the normal "All-arena CM announcement" is for.
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I meant something official supported by HTC with announcements in the normal MA and home page. The test will be unsuccessful if there are very few people doing it, and not too many people read this thread.
I should have elaborated more on the word "organized".
Since you are a CM can you make arena wide announcements to let everyone know that your arena is up? If so that should do the trick.
There was a big thread awhile back where a number of players were pushing to bring night back. It got pretty heated and I think it was Hitech who stepped in and said that "the majority of the people playing when night came around logged off. There will be no more night, end of discussion"
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There was a big thread awhile back where a number of players were pushing to bring night back. It got pretty heated and I think it was Hitech who stepped in and said that "the majority of the people playing when night came around logged off. There will be no more night, end of discussion"
Oh good, so we can end this discussion as well. :devil
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Bring back night so I can exploit it with a gamma adjust and get easy kills!
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Also, daylight fighters didn't fight at night in WWII, there is no realism reasin to this.
For the pple that weren't there, The MA lost about half its players when night was enabled. 30% loged, the rest waited in the tower, the others adjusted their gamma.
Not that I'm advocating night, but the Germans did use some day fighters at night. FW-190s using Wilde Sau (Wild Boar)
tactics is one notable example.
http://www.gyges.dk/Wilde%20&%20Zahme%20Sau.htm (http://www.gyges.dk/Wilde%20&%20Zahme%20Sau.htm)
(http://www.gyges.dk/Fw%20190%20A%20NJ.jpg)
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Not that I'm advocating night, but the Germans did use some day fighters at night. FW-190s using Wilde Sau (Wild Boar)
tactics is one notable example.
So did the Allies since for the most part when the war started there weren't any dedicated night fighters and day fighters were pressed into service in that role. As the war dragged on then you started to see specialized planes and units solely dedicated to night fighting.
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I'm sure if we had specialised night fighters, most people would welcome back night fighting.
But i think all this will fall on deaf ears at HTC HQ.. seem to me they are more interested in making game more nintendo every update..
THe numbers seem to have fallen over last 12 months, and it seems to be a lot of the old guard who are quitting. i know we're in economic meltdown and money is tight. but come on HTC its game play most want not more hanger queens and eye candy..
I love this game, been playing since 2001, its my calm down hour or so a day..
Merry Christmas to one and all..
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at night make it so that your vis range is reduced the more you up your gramra
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Years back we setup night in the H2H arenas. Wa fun for a short time.
To test yourself... turn off all icons and fly a bit. Night is a bit harder to see the planes than just flying with no icons but if you like that then night might be for you.
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Years back we setup night in the H2H arenas. Wa fun for a short time.
To test yourself... turn off all icons and fly a bit. Night is a bit harder to see the planes than just flying with no icons but if you like that then night might be for you.
we had a week in the ava, on rangers awesome twin rivers map. we had night for 5 minutes at a time every hour or two. while crazy hard, it was also a friggin blast. and no, i didn't adjust my gamma. i've got some screenshots from one of my flights.
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I had my Canyon terrain up last night...a couple guys stopped by and were surprised that you could actually see quite well. As I said before, it all depends on the colors and intensity of light you choose for your arena settings. I'll put up another nighttime arena sometime, and will probably advertise it a bit more ahead of time. I'm not adverse to just having guys pop in to ask questions on set-up or just have them fly around a bit and then leave.