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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: TDeacon on February 06, 2012, 11:53:22 AM
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I recall discussions about allowing players the option of manual gear shift for GVs. Does anyone recall whether this was implemented in the game, and/or where the threads discussing this were. Our search engine doesn't work well for recent instances of common words like "gears".
Thanks in advance,
MH
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Nope. Auto transmission only. You can always stop accelerating at the speed you want and it will stay in that gear until the speed changes due to hills or whatever.
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Can you recall any of the threads discussing this? I would think this would be a good candidate for Wishlist enhancements, and would like to see what had been said previously.
MH
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Here are a number of results I got when searching. I hope they help you.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312893.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309498.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312248.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311934.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312124.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,325855.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,314751.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311767.0.html
I didn't bother to read thru them. They are all from 2011. With all the complaining, and "discussion" that went on after it was added I think you can be pretty sure that this is the way it's going to stay.
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Fugitive,
Just out of curiosity, what search settings did you use? When I tried a time-limited search (i.e. 1 through 365 days) for "gears", it sat there for 10 minutes until I gave up.
MH
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I don't understand the desire to go back to the old transmission system, about the only difference is that you can get to top gear with one button(s) press instead of 4 or 5. If I still want to creep forward in 1st or 2nd gear I can still do that, I don't see how anything was lost, maybe I'm missing something.
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I don't understand the desire to go back to the old transmission system, about the only difference is that you can get to top gear with one button(s) press instead of 4 or 5. If I still want to creep forward in 1st or 2nd gear I can still do that, I don't see how anything was lost, maybe I'm missing something.
:headscratch:
Check out the search results above, for why.
I don't want to eliminate the new system, as some people like it, and it enables non-joystick GV play. I was thinking more of having manual transmission be an option. There clearly is a significant group of people who would use it.
A precedent is the old Air Warrior numeric keypad view system, which exists side-by-side with hat-buttom view systems. Thus everyone is happy.
MH
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I searched for manual transmission back 700 days, but un-checked all the thread categories except "general discussion" and "technical support". Even cutting the search down to those two still took a couple minutes for it to complete the search.
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Check out the search results above, for why.
I don't want to eliminate the new system, as some people like it, and it enables non-joystick GV play. I was thinking more of having manual transmission be an option. There clearly is a significant group of people who would use it.
A precedent is the old Air Warrior numeric keypad view system, which exists side-by-side with hat-buttom view systems. Thus everyone is happy.
MH
Honestly never use a joystick while using a ground vehicle, its VERY inaccurate. Best way is to learn Manual GV shifting of speed while using a mouse to aim, turning down the sensitivity increases accuracy at long range - however its draw back is any GV's that get on top of you are an issue.
However - The Auto transmission is way to easy to understand, I see no reason to use manual transmission as you can already do that with the Automatic. Instead of doing Shift W simply tap W until you get the desired Gear/speed you want.
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Honestly never use a joystick while using a ground vehicle, its VERY inaccurate. Best way is to learn Manual GV shifting of speed while using a mouse to aim, turning down the sensitivity increases accuracy at long range - however its draw back is any GV's that get on top of you are an issue.
However - The Auto transmission is way to easy to understand, I see no reason to use manual transmission as you can already do that with the Automatic. Instead of doing Shift W simply tap W until you get the desired Gear/speed you want.
Manual is better for climbing hills and for initial accelleration at spawn points. Note that my proposal to add manual would retain the auto as well, so you could still do your stuff.
MH
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Manual is better for climbing hills and for initial accelleration at spawn points. Note that my proposal to add manual would retain the auto as well, so you could still do your stuff.
MH
and it has been asked for before not long after the automatic was introduced. I wouldn't count on them changing it.
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Sadly, no. The automatic transmission remains. Most folks seem to like it
okay; I'm not one of 'em. For me, it's a horror show trying to get it
out of first gear, whether I'm hitting "W" or "Shift W". The only thing that
gets it out of first gear is twisting the rudder on my X52 for five minutes,
and even that's not a sure thing.
My problem's not an isolated one, either.
Regards, Odd
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I would only say its better at getting a quick start off the spawn point. But for climbing hills, its basicly a dead heat.
The only thing it does when climbing that is annoying is sometimes try to jump upto the next gear repeatedly, which you can stop by simply tapping the "S" key.
Past that, I never noticed any difference. Besides the ability to go super-speed down even gentle declines I mean, which I suspect is a big reason people want the old manual system back.
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Manual is better for climbing hills and for initial accelleration at spawn points. Note that my proposal to add manual would retain the auto as well, so you could still do your stuff.
MH
How is it better for going up hills?
Sadly, no. The automatic transmission remains. Most folks seem to like it
okay; I'm not one of 'em. For me, it's a horror show trying to get it
out of first gear, whether I'm hitting "W" or "Shift W". The only thing that
gets it out of first gear is twisting the rudder on my X52 for five minutes,
and even that's not a sure thing.
My problem's not an isolated one, either.
Regards, Odd
Calibrate your rudder?
Increase the deadband o your rudder?
It's not a transmission issue, it's your twisty rudder that is the problem.
wrongway
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How is it better for going up hills?
Calibrate your rudder?
Increase the deadband o your rudder?
It's not a transmission issue, it's your twisty rudder that is the problem.
wrongway
First, Auto transmission climbs hills far better then manual - if you go one to many gears you get stuck, auto you simply just keep moving towards the hill, except for the T34/85 which has to go backwards up the hill - even in first gear it still won't go forward up a hill.
Oddball's problem is either in the twist stick or the rudder pedals - if your rudder is out of calibration your tank won't go past first gear or 5-10mph.
If your turret continues to move then you need to deadband your stick or add dampening.
I tanked for years with manual/automatic - Automatic is by far way easier to tank then Manual, for those that hate it simply haven't understood it.
People still use a joystick - I cant understand that part when tanking, a Mouse gives me the sensitivity to make easy 3-4k shots which a joystick can't do period.
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Guys; I am proposing adding manual as an *additional alternative* to automatic. So you add a preferences setting which causes "w" to shift up one and "s" to shift down one. No display changes needed (except for preferences) - pretty simple.
AWwrgwy, Butcher, et. al.: I respect your preference for auto, but you need to remember that not everyone shares it. The "If it's good enough for me then it's good enough for you" attitude doesn't appeal.
MH
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People still use a joystick - I cant understand that part when tanking, a Mouse gives me the sensitivity to make easy 3-4k shots which a joystick can't do period.
My mode 2 (vehicles) joystick scaling is set different from mode 1 (planes) and I have no issues tanking and having fine control of the turret.
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Guys; I am proposing adding manual as an *additional alternative* to automatic. So you add a preferences setting which causes "w" to shift up one and "s" to shift down one. No display changes needed (except for preferences) - pretty simple.
AWwrgwy, Butcher, et. al.: I respect your preference for auto, but you need to remember that not everyone shares it. The "If it's good enough for me then it's good enough for you" attitude doesn't appeal.
MH
And as mention it has been requested the.same before. Why would you think they would change it now? You may hag liked it better the other way, much like a number of players, even some who left the game because of the change. Even so, we have the automatic now and it is what.everyone must learn and use.
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And as mention it has been requested the.same before. Why would you think they would change it now? You may hag liked it better the other way, much like a number of players, even some who left the game because of the change. Even so, we have the automatic now and it is what.everyone must learn and use.
We shall see.
MH
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My mode 2 (vehicles) joystick scaling is set different from mode 1 (planes) and I have no issues tanking and having fine control of the turret.
Yeah, me neither. With the T-34's, yeah, the quick turret rotation would sometimes pose problems. But with stick scaling, 3, even 4k shots weren't a huge deal.
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My mode 2 (vehicles) joystick scaling is set different from mode 1 (planes) and I have no issues tanking and having fine control of the turret.
Ditto!
I just recently figured this out. It is all about calibration and mapping the joystick as sensitive as you wish it to be.
I completely gutted out Mode 2's presets and did it my way.
My CH Pro Throttle's controls I have a button each set for: stop; all out fast forward; incremental forward; reverse; start / stop engines toggle; and its hat is set to the 8 views looking around. I steer with the pedals.
For me setting the in game resolution to its lower settings gives me much more effective bullet hits. But I am still experimenting.
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Guys; I am proposing adding manual as an *additional alternative* to automatic. So you add a preferences setting which causes "w" to shift up one and "s" to shift down one. No display changes needed (except for preferences) - pretty simple.
AWwrgwy, Butcher, et. al.: I respect your preference for auto, but you need to remember that not everyone shares it. The "If it's good enough for me then it's good enough for you" attitude doesn't appeal.
MH
I suggested the same thing you are proposing, somewhere, because essentially all it is is a placebo for the "need manual transmission" guys.
You are doing the same thing as the automatic transmission, you are just pushing a "w" and "s" more.
You know you can actually do that the way it is now, right? Press "w" until you have accelerated the speed you want or press "s" to slow to the speed you want?
What you want to do is press "w" and accelerate to 8 mph then press "w" again and accelerate to 14 mph, etc.
wrongway
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I suggested the same thing you are proposing, somewhere, because essentially all it is is a placebo for the "need manual transmission" guys.
You are doing the same thing as the automatic transmission, you are just pushing a "w" and "s" more.
You know you can actually do that the way it is now, right? Press "w" until you have accelerated the speed you want or press "s" to slow to the speed you want?
What you want to do is press "w" and accelerate to 8 mph then press "w" again and accelerate to 14 mph, etc.
wrongway
It doesn’t work that way for me. I get stuck in first gear a lot, and don't seem to be able to shift up while turning. Could be setup issues; could be calibration issues; could be equipment (I use rudder pedals for steering); or it could be imperfect implementation of the GV automatic transmission. Whatever the reason, I would prefer a manual alternative. It’s not a world-shaking issue, but it’s worth my while to suggest it. I will attempt to phrase the request to suggest the minimum code changes on their part, for the maximum resultant utility.
Remember, different people have different preferences. (Hey, I painted my house an ochre color, but if you want yours blue, I’m OK with that).
MH
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My mode 2 (vehicles) joystick scaling is set different from mode 1 (planes) and I have no issues tanking and having fine control of the turret.
Its not a question at close range to hit a tank with a joystick, try zeroing in on a tank at 2-4k away on the move at full speed.
Even with the sensitivity and smoothness of a Thrustmaster I find this nearly impossible.
My point is lowing the mouse sensitivity offers better direct accuracy and aim at long distances.
Then again it's just like choosing joysticks it comes down to personal experience and what feels best.
I've tanked with a joystick for years until I found out the mouse was far better for long range.
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<snip> ... try zeroing in on a tank at 2-4k away on the move at full speed... <snip>
How can you even *see* a tank at 4K away, under the new view system???
MH
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How can you even *see* a tank at 4K away, under the new view system???
MH
You don't use the commanders view to target tanks, Perk tanks have Zoom - Panther G, Firefly, Tiger and Tiger 2. Use the commander's View to find yourself a spot - then using the gunners position to track and fire, gunners have Optics far better then the Commanders View.
Certain tanks like the M-18 and M4-76 have a better zoom in the gunners position, other tanks like the T34/85 have horrible optics that you can actually see farther with the commanders view.
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It doesn’t work that way for me. I get stuck in first gear a lot, and don't seem to be able to shift up while turning. Could be setup issues; could be calibration issues; could be equipment (I use rudder pedals for steering); or it could be imperfect implementation of the GV automatic transmission. Whatever the reason, I would prefer a manual alternative. It’s not a world-shaking issue, but it’s worth my while to suggest it. I will attempt to phrase the request to suggest the minimum code changes on their part, for the maximum resultant utility.
Remember, different people have different preferences. (Hey, I painted my house an ochre color, but if you want yours blue, I’m OK with that).
MH
It's a set-up/equipment issue not a game/coading issue.
Fix/calibrate your rudder and it will work as designed.
I'm using 20 year old CH rudder pedals through a USB adapter and have to often recalibrate, which I can tell when gv-ing because I can't accelerate.
Your problem is easy to fix but the fix is all up to you.
wrongway
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Butcher,
I am familiar with the differences between the different view modes. My latest observation is that the only tanks which have a prayer of seeing anything at 4K are the Tigers and the Panther. The blurring of the Firefly sights makes it useless for me at long range. I actually got some hits on stationary targets at a bit over 4K last night with a Tiger, but the targets were single-pixel, and it was eyestrain city.
One caveat pertaining to the above, however is that I have an elderly system, which I have to run at a lower resolution, with much of the graphical enhancements off. I also have a small 13” monitor. When my personal situation permits me to upgrade to a newer system, I hope for improvement.
BTW, I am not in any way commenting on "realism" here (who cares?), and am aware of typical engagement ranges in WWII.
It's a set-up/equipment issue not a game/coading issue.
Fix/calibrate your rudder and it will work as designed.
I'm using 20 year old CH rudder pedals through a USB adapter and have to often recalibrate, which I can tell when gv-ing because I can't accelerate.
Your problem is easy to fix but the fix is all up to you.
wrongway
Wrongway,
I calibrate both in Windows and in the game. My CH controllers work as they always have. I have deadbands on all analog inputs. I have a dedicated USB hub (?) with its own power supply. That’s clearly not the whole story. For example, my GV throttle controls are all mapped to keys/buttons, and not proportional input mechanisms (pots). Yet I get into situations where I hit the “all stop” button on the flat, and the tank sometimes wants to creep forward. Some other input is apparently active. I also get into situations where I can’t shift up unless I don’t turn sharply (bad at a spawn point). These sorts of things never happened with manual.
Also note that, in general, any automatic transmission is an implementation of a closed-loop control system. There are all sorts of imperfections which can result from trial-and-error design of such a system (oscillation, etc.). We see the latter when climbing hills under certain conditions. Tapping “S” as suggested by a previous poster, doesn’t always stop this.
Some of your attempts to help are appreciated. However, your efforts to dismiss manual as unnecessary seem analogous to someone who likes automobile automatic transmissions trying to convince someone to leave their stick shift. They are ***not*** exactly the same thing, and trying to claim that they are (either with real cars, or with the game) just makes you look unknowledgeable.
MH
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Yet I get into situations where I hit the “all stop” button on the flat, and the tank sometimes wants to creep forward. Some other input is apparently active.
Some tanks - seems the most popular ones - can pivot in place by using only rudder-pedal input. If you're at a complete stop and pivot with your rudder, you will creep forward. At least that's what I've been reading, since I don't GV much.
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Some tanks - seems the most popular ones - can pivot in place by using only rudder-pedal input. If you're at a complete stop and pivot with your rudder, you will creep forward. At least that's what I've been reading, since I don't GV much.
This is because some tanks have "zero-turn" ability, like a new mower, i.e. the tracks will move in opposite directions, in-place, allowing the tank to pivot without the need for forward motion.
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I recall discussions about allowing players the option of manual gear shift for GVs. Does anyone recall whether this was implemented in the game, and/or where the threads discussing this were. Our search engine doesn't work well for recent instances of common words like "gears".
Thanks in advance,
MH
I think it just got too expensive between guys burning out clutch plates too early and the manual transmission's journals wearing out inside the precast case.
I always have felt Aces High needs a motor pool for fix-up.
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This is because some tanks have "zero-turn" ability, like a new mower, i.e. the tracks will move in opposite directions, in-place, allowing the tank to pivot without the need for forward motion.
Yeah, I know. But I've read complaints about how the tank actually creeps forward during (or maybe after) the pivot. My point was that perhaps the rudder control is not centered/dampened/calibrated and is what is causing this "creeping forward when fully stopped on a flat surface."
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Some tanks - seems the most popular ones - can pivot in place by using only rudder-pedal input. If you're at a complete stop and pivot with your rudder, you will creep forward. At least that's what I've been reading, since I don't GV much.
Good point, but I would have thought that my deadband settings on the rudder pedals would have eliminated unintended turn input, and thus would have eliminated any "move" type instructions to the game engine. Maybe I didn't have the pedals centered, given the stress of the moment. I will keep an eye on this.
MH
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Is this thread just asking how to put a tank in neutral while going down a hill now that we have automatic transmissions?
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Is this thread just asking how to put a tank in neutral while going down a hill now that we have automatic transmissions?
You don't need to be in neutral - Just just Shift + W and drive straight over a cliff and watch how fast you go :cheers:
/sent my panther doing 92mph into the middle of an enemy spawn yesterday YEHAWWWWW till I went boom :bhead
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Is this thread just asking how to put a tank in neutral while going down a hill now that we have automatic transmissions?
There's no need to; they still travel at airplane speed if the hill is steep enough. The only difference is that they now seem to fly through the air after going over a bump at those speeds.
MH