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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: bustr on February 07, 2012, 05:50:06 PM
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Perked Yak??
Yak-9UT
Yak-9U (VK-107) armed with 1 × 37 mm Nudelman N-37 cannon with 30 rounds and 2 20 mm Berezin B-20 cannons with 120 rpg, giving a one-second burst mass of 6 kg (13.2 lb). Similarly to Yak-9TK could be converted to replace the N-37 with a 20 mm B-20, 23 mm NS-23, or 45 mm N-45. Production aircraft carried NS-23 instead of the N-37 cannon as the default armament.
The Yak-9UT version was Yak-9U version serialle # 39-# 083. This was armed with 23mm NS-23 cannon (30 shells) and two 20mm B-20S cannons (120 shells per barrel). Undertaken from 8.03.45 to 29.03.45, Official State evaluation proved successful. To add to the State programme, the aircraft was tested at Air Force Research Institute until 9 June 1945. A total of 282 fighters was built between February and May 1945.
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Sure why not we have several other platforms in the game with less manufacturing numbers that that.
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How many squadrons did it fill in combat? Or simply prototypes and tested?
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How many squadrons did it fill in combat? Or simply prototypes and tested?
Looks like it did see combat per this Russian site.
You will have to translate it.
It did get kills.
In recent weeks one part of the war, the rearmament of the Yak-9UT, destroyed in 19 air battles 28 enemy aircraft, including 27 FW-190A-8 and an Me-109G-6, having lost only two of its aircraft.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/yak9ut.html
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What I've read, it didn't see combat. It was designed as a "universal armament" Yak9 where different guns could be mounted easily in the nose.
The B-20S cannons were essentially the 12.7mm mg adapted to a 20mm cannon round.
Even if it did see combat, who is to say that they were not armed exactly as our current Yak9U is?
wrongway
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I read around on some russian language blogs. Their resident wrongways, krustys and karnaks only complain about the N-37 not being available untill right at the end of hostilities. They point out that the 200+ Yak-9UT that participated at the end of the war used the NS-23 as their main cannon and had heavy aileron forces.
The N-37 was created to reduce the recoil from the NS-37. The shell casing was about 20% shorter. The NS-23 was scaled down from the NS-37 and would have a similar recoil to the B-20 and a slower rounds per minute rate. 550 versus 600. Not alot different than the La7 with 3 B-20 firing except for 19g HEI versus 5g.
Keeping the horizontal speed of the 9U due to the VK-107 engine, this would be a very nasty hit and run away player in the MA.
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Can't imagine it would be any worse than the K4. I mean the K4 actually has the speed to escape a majority of the aircraft in AH. 400mph at 5k is impressive.
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(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1_30.jpg)
http://wp.scn.ru/en/pilots/wars/1/p2228#pilot
You will have to search the pilot by name as I can not get a link directly a lot of info about him here.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fairaces.narod.ru%2Findex.html
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/1_77.jpg)
http://wp.scn.ru/en/pilots/wars/1/p172#pilot
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Here is a different question....
Can everyone help find support for this aircraft since we all tacitly claim to be masters of WW2 History PHD or beyond? WoW what we don't accomplish in our personal desire to boost our own EGO by kiiling each other's EGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all need to help each other since WW2 is dieing at about 700 gentelmen per day now. Can we honor them instead of our small passing Egos?? Some of us seem determined to kill them off with our myopic self worship of counter castration to our fellows ideas. How small can we descend to light our miserable crypts?
How useless are we all that we choose to destroy each others reputaions rather than to support our mutual love of WW2 history.....
Even Hitech has had to honor a few of you for your personal attachments to your EGO's over WW2 history.
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Why limit the time frame to VE day? The Soviets invaded Japanese held Manchuria on August 9 – 20, 1945. They deployed more than 5,000 aircraft in the operation.
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What I've read, it didn't see combat. It was designed as a "universal armament" Yak9 where different guns could be mounted easily in the nose.
The B-20S cannons were essentially the 12.7mm mg adapted to a 20mm cannon round.
Even if it did see combat, who is to say that they were not armed exactly as our current Yak9U is?
wrongway
Only the hub-gun was "modular", the B20's were fixed standard armament in place of the UBS'. So even if you only put the 9U's ShVAK in the hub it will be a three-cannon Yak.
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+1
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+ TWO :aok :aok
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Here is a different question....
Can everyone help find support for this aircraft since we all tacitly claim to be masters of WW2 History PHD or beyond? WoW what we don't accomplish in our personal desire to boost our own EGO by kiiling each other's EGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all need to help each other since WW2 is dieing at about 700 gentelmen per day now. Can we honor them instead of our small passing Egos?? Some of us seem determined to kill them off with our myopic self worship of counter castration to our fellows ideas. How small can we descend to light our miserable crypts?
How useless are we all that we choose to destroy each others reputaions rather than to support our mutual love of WW2 history.....
Even Hitech has had to honor a few of you for your personal attachments to your EGO's over WW2 history.
Wait, what? You asked if it qualified for Aces High, the answer was "yeah, probably, though there are questions about the gun loadout," and that's somehow an affront to WWII veterans? :confused:
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Here is a different question....
Can everyone help find support for this aircraft since we all tacitly claim to be masters of WW2 History PHD or beyond? WoW what we don't accomplish in our personal desire to boost our own EGO by kiiling each other's EGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all need to help each other since WW2 is dieing at about 700 gentelmen per day now.
So a few people who quote it wasn't in combat before the war ended are Ego maniacs because they won't support you?
:headscratch:
I will support the aircraft long as it fits the bill to add to aces high, secondly you didn't ask for any information only said it needs to be added.
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What I found so far is the aircraft was tested March 8-29th 1945 - One regiment flew the Yak-9UT and destroyed 27 aircraft total for loss of two during the testing phase during the closing weeks of WW2. I cannot find any information on which Guards Regiment flew it, however "testing" is routinely brought up.
However the gun was not the NS-23 it was a N-37 same as the Yak-9T that was used on the aircraft in action. Between March and August some 282 were built, however I don't see any were sent to the Japanese front.
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As long as the weight of the weaponry and the drag is modeled correctly.....
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As long as the weight of the weaponry and the drag is modeled correctly.....
Why wouldnt it, I dont understant? :headscratch:
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What I found so far is the aircraft was tested March 8-29th 1945 - One regiment flew the Yak-9UT and destroyed 27 aircraft total for loss of two during the testing phase during the closing weeks of WW2. I cannot find any information on which Guards Regiment flew it, however "testing" is routinely brought up.
Per the profiles site I listed above they are named with two units well in fact three units I guess the pilot took the same plane with him to a second squadron. Plus a fourth squadron that I missed on that site. Are they all WWII combat active units?
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/15/1/10
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Per the profiles site I listed above they are named with two units well in fact three units I guess the pilot took the same plane with him to a second squadron. Plus a fourth squadron that I missed on that site. Are they all WWII comabat active units?
http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/15/1/10
I can only translate so much, it doesn't get into details with the unit names or where they flew (typical of russia). My question is if it was in testing in March 1945 - where is the line drawn before it goes combat active status? Is that After March 29th? Or is it considered combat status on March 8th?
I wish it was more informative like saying it was combat testing rather then "trial period"
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squad strength before V-day
recorded kills against enemies
- the Russians had a lot of very late war stuff fight the Japanese in Manchuria though. . .so that is where I would look.
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Soviets also often took up to a year to test and train on new craft before actively deploying them. They may have been in "units" but what kinds? They don't quite qualify them as "training units" like some German or RAF squads did, but you would have to know what squadrons and get a brief idea of what that squad was doing on those dates.
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Soviets also often took up to a year to test and train on new craft before actively deploying them. They may have been in "units" but what kinds? They don't quite qualify them as "training units" like some German or RAF squads did, but you would have to know what squadrons and get a brief idea of what that squad was doing on those dates.
This fellow talks about this plane a little & that only a few hot shot pilots got to fly it.
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/pomorov/pomorov.htm
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Sounds like it saw more combat than the Ta-152..... :noid
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLogyYXAVcc
Very nice roll rate on Carroll's Yak-9. I wonder how it compares to its AH namesake.
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I wonder if russian pride in thier own planes caused them to not use the later high performance planes lended to them.
Who needed a p63 if they had La5FN, LA7....Yak9, yak3....etc.
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Sounds like it saw more combat than the Ta-152..... :noid
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This fellow talks about this plane a little & that only a few hot shot pilots got to fly it.
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/pomorov/pomorov.htm
How do you know he wasn't talking about regular Yak-9T? 9T was more difficult to handle than 9.
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In the interview:
How do you think, what was more dangerous for Il’s, fighters or flak?
Both, but flak from ships still was worse. AAA shot at the planes and at the water, on purpose. For low flying aircraft water columns are the same as a direct hit by large caliber shell.
Here Hitech you have more TODO work. Of course after the eye candy, you know.
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I wonder if russian pride in thier own planes caused them to not use the later high performance planes lended to them.
Who needed a p63 if they had La5FN, LA7....Yak9, yak3....etc.
P-63s were used by the Soviets when they attacked Japan.
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Does anyone have any information on what Aircraft were flown between Japan and Russia in late 1945? A good argument could be made about this even though the action was quite short - they still were in combat status and flown in regiments.
I suppose I could do the research, Its always interested me, but I never really got around to reading on it.
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Soviets also often took up to a year to test and train on new craft before actively deploying them. They may have been in "units" but what kinds? They don't quite qualify them as "training units" like some German or RAF squads did, but you would have to know what squadrons and get a brief idea of what that squad was doing on those dates.
From early 44 onwards it was typical for a full regiment to be equipped with the first production batch for active combat duty under assessment.
Subsequent batches held back for modification.
Hence this first batch saw combat very quickly and was under assessment on the frontline.
Particularly true of the La7, Yak3 and Yak9U (although problems with the VK107 delayed the Yak 9U to a point where two regiments went to the front line under assessment)
Thru 41 to 43 production batches were immediately issued to front line units. LaGG, Lavochkin, Mig and Yaks being continually subject to minor changes as production quality defects were found or slight increases in engine performance/reliability discovered.
The best average life of any VVS aircraft in the GPW was 3 months............. less so in the period 41 to 43.
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I wonder if russian pride in thier own planes caused them to not use the later high performance planes lended to them.
Who needed a p63 if they had La5FN, LA7....Yak9, yak3....etc.
Because most Lend-Lease fighters we sent to the Soviets didn't meet their needs for their type of air war.
ack-ack
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How do you know he wasn't talking about regular Yak-9T? 9T was more difficult to handle than 9.
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In the interview:
I stand corrected he did fly the 9T.
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/tikhomirov/tikhomirov.htm
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My reading shows a batch of some 200+ Yak9UT placed into produced March/April 45 (its not clear if it was finalised end March or end April) which would only IMO have seen proper frontline duty in Manchuria. However this batch featured the NS23 hub cannon and two B20 over engine mounted cannons. No special modifications were required so in effect these were "standard" Yak9U's with non standard gun packages added under production.
It did not have the NS37 (which featured during initial trials) as the NS23 and 2 x B20 could be added without need for modification. (NS37 was latterly put into limited production with only one accompanying B20 cannon)
The NS23 is not currently modelled in AH. The cannon is lighter than the YVA by some 30kg [37kg v 68kg] but the round is quite different and the muzzel vel. not as high as that gained from the YVA (660m/s as opposed to ~900m/s).
Having said that the total weight of fire (23mm+ 2 x 20mm) is considerable in Yak terms. I think some corroborative data regarding the deployment of the Yak9UT (23mm) would be required before taking the loadout as applicable for AH and I would agree that it should be a perk option as it would be rarer than the 3x B20 La7 currently in game.
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Perking has nothing to do with how rare a plane or loadout was historically. Perking is only used to balance plane/vehicle usage. I don't think a three-cannon Yak will become a pre-perk F4U-1C.
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Um... actually... Perks are there to regulate rare planes so that they don't flood the arenas in ways never seen in WW2... That perk system was extended to include over powered craft that destabilized the balance as well.
Yes, perks are for rare planes.
EDIT: Not to mention the HTC comments about adding a perked weapons loadout for unperked planes, for the rare weapons loadouts.
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Oh is that why the perhaps rarest late-war monster, the Ta 152, is perk-free while the mass-produced Spit XIV is perked? lol
Perking is purely for game-balancing. History is not a factor at all.
Just to clear up a few things about this upcoming system.
It is not meant to be something that only elite pilots can get. That's not the point at all. If you fly like you do now, you will eventually accumulate enough points to get a perk plane. Most planes you will be able to fly all you want, so it's not like you'll end up gettting stuck with lousy planes if you don't have any points.
This system does a few things for us. First it allows us to introduce planes that we otherwise would not be able to include because they would upset play balance. It also helps balance out plane selection and brings more diversity since people can get more points by flying less capable planes. Last, it gives players a tangible reward for their efforts.
You do not need to be a top pilot or fly mega hours each week to achieve a perk. Flying more will let you achieve it in a shorter amount of real time, but you'll still have to spend the same amount of in-game time.
This is a purely a game system for the main arena. How a plane gets classified only has to do with how it affects the main arena, not with how it served historically.
This system will also be used in bombers and vehicles. A B-29 and Tiger II would be examples of what we could add as perks there.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Actually the Ta 152 was originally perked ............ but it sorta proves predators point. It was deperked as it was not going to distort game play.............
However I am sure you can equally quote Pyro's once stated intention to perk certain ordinance loadouts where they were considered rare.
This of course is yet to happen however some COAD was added long ago that would enable it.............
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I find it far more likely that they will perk loadouts that make an aircraft unduly popular in the jabo or bomber role, instead of perking the whole plane. That means you can fly the plane for free as long as you don't select the gun package or ord that makes it uber.
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You are confusing the why of the perk. The "why" is to prevent rare over-powered craft from taking over the arena at the expense of more common aircraft that are more representative of WW2. The Ta152 had its perk removed because before AH2 it was no real threat, and after AH2 it's been destabilized to the point that nobody wants to fly it even if the perk price is removed. You should understand that the perk price was there to correct a potential worry. That worry never manifested itself for specific reasons. The Ta152 is the exception to the rule in this regard.
The perked loadout was intended to remove the C-hog from the game entirely, have the F4U-1D instead have a perked 4x20mm gun option. It has other potential, but in this case it was actually there to remove a perk plane from the hangar list while still keeping the same option.
You are wrong though that it has nothing to do with history or rarity of the airframe. Some of us have been following this game and these forums for over 10 years now. You have much to learn.
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Oooh the "I've been here longer than you" card! :D
I first joined up in 2002 as Lysander. Been playing on and off for ten years now. I'm currently "off" until summer at least. Except for the C-Hog and 163, none of the perked planes were rare, but all the perked planes share a common trait... They are unbalancing.
No offence, but I'll take Pyro's word over yours.
Some more quotes:
Kidding aside, perk ordnance is what it sounds like- the ability to charge perks for specific ordnance loadouts. It means that instead of having the 1C as a separate plane, I can just make 20mm cannons a perked loadout on the 1D and save space. Beyond that, we could offer up some more exotic weapon choices without fear of them overrunning the arenas or having to add separate planes to do them. 57mm on your Mossie, Tiny Tims on your Corsair, whatever. We're not going to do nukes so forget about that. I don't know when this will be done so don't ask.
The perk/ENY system clearly has no basis in history.
To which HiTech responded:
Who ever gave the slightest hint that it ever did?
As far as social engineering goes, what do you think online game design is all about?
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Perks to one side.............
Having done a quick trawl I cnat find anything that puts Yak9UT's in Manchuria. 300 IAP had "Yak9T's" which destroyed several locomotives (with HE rounds?) and 147& 554 IAP had Yak9's which may have been U's (but this is speculation)
Interestingly no Yak3's are listed but at least two regiments of La7 of which the skinning community has many a 3 cannon version. Several P63 & P39 regiments and many a Tu-2 & Pe2 regiment. Not to mention one torpedo equipped A20 regiment. ooops!
As per above there is a repeated deployment reference that a single Yak9UT regiment flew over berlin at the wars end "destroying 27 FW190's and 1 bf109" (amazed a single regiment could find 27x FW190's in the last week of the war!)
There seems to be some confusion as to whether Yak9UT's were with the Yak9U's in 151GIAP over Czechoslovakia in May 45....even some confusion as to whether 151GIAP had Yak3's or Yak9U's.
Another claim is that there were Yak9UT's with the 12 IAP Baltic fleet in May 45 (red 37 below) however it could again be a confusion with the Yak9U.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/964/yak9utxl1.jpg)
all very uncertain.
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Predator, you act like a 2-weeker sometimes and your info is way off on others.
What do you think "exotic" means? Rare. Scarce. The weapons that were rarely used and would be over-powering. As I said the perk system was implemented (from HTC's own words, even on the main webpage) to limit the rare weapons to prevent a side-effect of unbalancing the gameplay.
Tilt: Locomotives could be taken out with .50cal even, or HE 20mm rounds, and a 37mm round? Much stronger. I have no doubts. It's not rolled armored steel. It's pig iron. Okay, not really, but still! It's brittle. It's under pressure. All you had to do was crack it or pop the rivets enough for the boiler to blow. It was quite common.
As for 27 FWs, well on the one hand if you WERE to find them, they would be over the heart of Berlin, now? Then again, you have to question the legitimacy of any Soviet kill claims, as they were badgered and co-erced into exaggerating claims so that the propoganda machine could feed Communist lies to appease the masses. The Soviets have by far the worst morals in regards to reporting, recording, and checking on actual kills. It doesn't matter to them, it was just something to make them look good. Even as early as Barbarossa, Soviet pilots were caught (by Germans!) flying around when they thought they were alone, performing acrobatics and firing their guns into the air so that when they landed they could tell the comrades that badgered them before they were even out of the cockpit, "I fought off 20 of them!" and so forth. The level corruption continues to this day, being ingrained from a young age to appease the political machine unless you go missing in the night. You find similarly exaggerated kill numbers (fabrications) all the way up to Korea and Vietnam. So while maybe there were 27 FWs to shoot down, I would seriously doubt that many were engaged by Soviets just based on experts who have researched Soviet claims and the corresponding facts.
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...of unbalancing the gameplay.
That's the only thing that matters. As for the rest, how many Krustys do you think HiTech would score your post on his Krusty scale? :aok
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Then again, you have to question the legitimacy of any Soviet kill claims, as they were badgered and co-erced into exaggerating claims so that the propoganda machine could feed Communist lies to appease the masses. The Soviets have by far the worst morals in regards to reporting, recording, and checking on actual kills. It doesn't matter to them, it was just something to make them look good.
Actually that is not correct.......... any more than any other nation. Of course there were "inaccuracies" but false claims were very seriously penalised. Whilst the propaganda machine did its thing with the populace the official VVS record was as accurate as the fog of war allowed. Folk were executed for inaccurate reporting!
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People were also shot for incompetence of command. Best to pad the scores a little...
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People were also shot for incompetence of command. Best to pad the scores a little...
Thats just a "clever" statement that adds nothing to the debate........... simply BS.
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No different than your last post sir.
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Actually that is not correct.......... any more than any other nation. Of course there were "inaccuracies" but false claims were very seriously penalised. Whilst the propaganda machine did its thing with the populace the official VVS record was as accurate as the fog of war allowed. Folk were executed for inaccurate reporting!
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. A number of authors have looked into it and Soviet claims were mostly ficticious. I'm not saynig they didn't get kills (so many of them, some quite skilled aces!) but the official reports on anything Soviet-era are almost certainly propoganda fabrications. This stretches from before their involvement in the war to well into the cold war era. It's a constant thread and as much as there is inherrent inaccuracy amongst all nations, the Soviets create and foster an entire system that perpetuates several times the exaggeration that any other nation has ever had.
They had political officers waiting for the planes to land and they would jump out and literally badger pilots to report kills instantly before they've had time to step off the plane. Fear, intimidation, the need for kill claims no matter what the truth -- it led to an entire system of corrup kill claiming. This is in general, mind you. I'm not singling out any particular ace, and no doubt many did not do this if they were already capable of getting the kills on their own.
On the other hand, you then have other pilots that made up tallies to save their skin from secret police taking them away in the night.
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Oh is that why the perhaps rarest late-war monster, the Ta 152, is perk-free while the mass-produced Spit XIV is perked? lol
Perking is purely for game-balancing. History is not a factor at all.
+1 UNPERK THE Spit XIV !!!!
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong. A number of authors have looked into it and Soviet claims were mostly ficticious. I'm not saynig they didn't get kills (so many of them, some quite skilled aces!) but the official reports on anything Soviet-era are almost certainly propoganda fabrications. This stretches from before their involvement in the war to well into the cold war era. It's a constant thread and as much as there is inherrent inaccuracy amongst all nations, the Soviets create and foster an entire system that perpetuates several times the exaggeration that any other nation has ever had.
They had political officers waiting for the planes to land and they would jump out and literally badger pilots to report kills instantly before they've had time to step off the plane. Fear, intimidation, the need for kill claims no matter what the truth -- it led to an entire system of corrup kill claiming. This is in general, mind you. I'm not singling out any particular ace, and no doubt many did not do this if they were already capable of getting the kills on their own.
On the other hand, you then have other pilots that made up tallies to save their skin from secret police taking them away in the night.
Actually, from my reading, almost the opposite is true. They needed physical proof of their kills as most were over their own front lines. I believe they received a "stipend" for kills as well.
I've read of pilots going to the front lines to find wreckage of their kills.
I suppose it depends on who the claims are coming from, the pilots or the political officers.
The only info on 3 cannon Yak9's I've ever seen was regarding, I beleive, the Yak9P and it was that it did not see service in WWII. I always assumed the UT was just an experiment in "universal" armament as all other attemts to mount three cannon in the nose of Yak9's were deemed failures.
wrongway
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Actually, from my reading, almost the opposite is true. They needed physical proof of their kills as most were over their own front lines. I believe they received a "stipend" for kills as well.
I've read of pilots going to the front lines to find wreckage of their kills.
I suppose it depends on who the claims are coming from, the pilots or the political officers.
There's the ideal, the guidelines written down, and then there's "Whatever Stalin wants to hear, TELL HIM"
I have no doubt that at some point they laid those guidelines down, but I know for certain they did not follow them. Many nations had strict rules for kill claim verification, but in reality it always was easier to overclaim. The main difference was most other nations didn't do it on purpose.
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Not trying to get involved in a pissing contest, but if you are going to try to argue to negate a plane's ability to be added because you don't trust the credibility of the claimed victories, then it simply sounds like you don't want the plane added and you are looking for excuses. If you refuse to accept a historical report somebody finds, it seems base to do so on the grounds of simply distrusting an entire nation's victory report system. By your argument, we shouldn't add any other USSR planes.
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Not trying to get involved in a pissing contest, but if you are going to try to argue to negate a plane's ability to be added because you don't trust the credibility of the claimed victories, then it simply sounds like you don't want the plane added and you are looking for excuses. If you refuse to accept a historical report somebody finds, it seems base to do so on the grounds of simply distrusting an entire nation's victory report system. By your argument, we shouldn't add any other USSR planes.
I see it as another "add the P-63" type situation RE: Combat use and a "add the 4-20mm P-51A" type wish at worst.
Just looking for another "uber" ride that possibly didn't see combat at all and if it did, may have been quite limited.
Then, on the other hand, I look at the history of the P-47M and think, "ehh". At least the M-Jug is well documented.
wrongway
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I see it as another "add the P-63" type situation RE: Combat use and a "add the 4-20mm P-51A" type wish at worst.
Just looking for another "uber" ride that possibly didn't see combat at all and if it did, may have been quite limited.
Then, on the other hand, I look at the history of the P-47M and think, "ehh". At least the M-Jug is well documented.
wrongway
Sooooo the Ta152? And I doubt that the Yak9UT would be a "uber ride." It will definitely increase the numbers of players flying the Yak9. The LA7 has 3 20mm's and is faster. I am not suggesting anything like the P63 or a 4X20mm P51. But for the most part, the only USSR plane people fly is the LA7. This would be a relatively simple addition of a new aircraft using the same airframe and a new cannon and package.
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I would be happy with the yak-9U interior being remodeled. . .that would be nice
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Actually the Ta 152 was originally perked ............ but it sorta proves predators point. It was deperked as it was not going to distort game play.............
However I am sure you can equally quote Pyro's once stated intention to perk certain ordinance loadouts where they were considered rare.
This of course is yet to happen however some COAD was added long ago that would enable it.............
They unperked the 152 only after they remodelled it, before update you could outrun a P51 at most altitudes, after the update it is a more unstable plane that is considerably slower at lower altitude.
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I have read through some japanese accounts in Machuria, and they speak multi cannoned Yaks. . . but then again the info is sketchy.
Ultimatly, people will cry about a yak that had 2 cannon or 3 cannon even if its not a great round.
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I have read through some japanese accounts in Machuria, and they speak multi cannoned Yaks. . . but then again the info is sketchy.
Can you provide any sources on this? Quite curious which if any late war rides were sent to the East.
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Can you provide any sources on this? Quite curious which if any late war rides were sent to the East.
IL-10 did for a fact.
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They unperked the 152 only after they remodelled it, before update you could outrun a P51 at most altitudes, after the update it is a more unstable plane that is considerably slower at lower altitude.
There was no FM change when the Ta152 was remodeled. It flies exactly the same as it ever did. It was unperked because of its extremely low usage as a perk plane and HTC deciding it would not unbalance the MA if it were free. A unit being perked or not has nothing to do with historical rarity and everything to do with how it affects the MA.
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Can you provide any sources on this? Quite curious which if any late war rides were sent to the East.
Il 10
P63
La7 (2&3 cannon)
Tu-2
Whilst there are records of Yak 9's they seem to describe 9U's & 9T's as opposed to 9UT's. I think you have some sources (Yefim etc) that suggest this.