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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nypsy on March 07, 2012, 05:19:59 PM
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From MotorTrend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE4AH4DZtEI&feature=g-u&context=G2b2a1beFUAAAAAAAGAA
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Wonder where CAP is? Hope he's OK..... I know he's not taking this well........ :lol
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Wonder where CAP is? Hope he's OK..... I know he's not taking this well........ :lol
not bothering me at all. they're comparing a car which compares to the gt500 to the boss302, in order to make it look better. on top of that, they've halted production of them right now.
note they said that till now, that the current generation camaro's always been a step behind the mustang in handling? wait'll they run it up against the gt500. there's already rumors that the gt500 has lapped nurburgring in the mid to low 7:30's.
the zl1 will be an impressive car when they are able to deliver them....
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not bothering me at all. they're comparing a car which compares to the gt500 to the boss302, in order to make it look better. on top of that, they've halted production of them right now.
note they said that till now, that the current generation camaro's always been a step behind the mustang in handling? wait'll they run it up against the gt500. there's already rumors that the gt500 has lapped nurburgring in the mid to low 7:30's.
the zl1 will be an impressive car when they are able to deliver them....
Ford always making excuses .........hehehe :ahand
ZO6 vs GT500KR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIPBP-9TUnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIPBP-9TUnQ)
GT-R vs 500GT vs ZO6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs)
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ZR1 Drag Race King - Spanks GTR, 599, and GT2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=related)
C.H.E.V.Y. Nuff Said :rofl
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ZR1 Drag Race King - Spanks GTR, 599, and GT2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=related)
C.H.E.V.Y. Nuff Said :rofl
no.....C.O.R.V.E.T.T.E. nuff said. :devil
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no.....C.O.R.V.E.T.T.E. nuff said. :devil
:aok Just poking ya CAP :t
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:aok Just poking ya CAP :t
i know. that's why i poked back. i just used the greasy prybar i happened to have in my hand. :bolt:
it's friggin GREAT to see these cars doing what they do these days.
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not bothering me at all. they're comparing a car which compares to the gt500 to the boss302, in order to make it look better. on top of that, they've halted production of them right now.
note they said that till now, that the current generation camaro's always been a step behind the mustang in handling? wait'll they run it up against the gt500. there's already rumors that the gt500 has lapped nurburgring in the mid to low 7:30's.
the zl1 will be an impressive car when they are able to deliver them....
Even though the boss 302 is their leguna seca edition developed just for what it is doing in this video. :)
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yup....and it's beaten by a corvette in disguise that was developed to beat the gt500.....which it more than likely won't. :devil :noid
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yup....and it's beaten by a corvette in disguise that was developed to beat the gt500.....which it more than likely won't. :devil :noid
Corvette in disguise? :rofl
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yea. it's got the corvettes supercharger. it's got the corvettes suspension....or was that the cts-v's suspension....which i think was taken from the corvette......
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yea. it's got the corvettes supercharger. it's got the corvettes suspension....or was that the cts-v's suspension....which i think was taken from the corvette......
It's all Camaro... all GM
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Ford always making excuses .........hehehe :ahand
ZO6 vs GT500KR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIPBP-9TUnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIPBP-9TUnQ)
GT-R vs 500GT vs ZO6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs)
Mustangs do NOT compare to Vettes. When one does this, they end showing you how little they know.
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It's all Camaro... all GM
It's more like
Can
America
Make
A
Real
One
Nope, it's depending on the Corvette to pull it's weight and Built in Canada.
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It's all Camaro... all GM
where'd they pull the magnetic ride suspension from again? where'd they pull the supercharger from again? :devil
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I'll take the Mustang and the 8k I saved and still have a better looking car :D
Camaro v. Appropriate Ford... :noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6b81W9YsBY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6b81W9YsBY4)
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I beleive the reason the Vette gets picked to run with the Mustang is price .. it's in the same ballpark.
Two very different design paramaters ..not much of a contest.
The Camaro is the Mustang's competitor .. now if Chrysler would step up and do a 'Cuda in the same genre :)
(nothin against the Challenger, but .. imagine a smaller lighter more hp version retro '68 Cuda lookin affair, mayhap put together to go after SS/A an such again)
Frankly I'd drive any of 'em .. they *all* scratch all the right itches.
Just that bang for the buck ..my vote is with a used Vette..*very* tuff to match the performance for dollar spent.
-GE aka Frank
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Like a rock.
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No question on that from me GE. Used Vettes are top rung value for money. Coworker just bought a C5 Z06 for 13k. White with Mod Red. Putting in an auto trans to run 11.50 index all day long. Other buddy just ran 10.6x in a heads/cam C5 Z06.
Outstanding performance.
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not bothering me at all. they're comparing a car which compares to the gt500 to the boss302, in order to make it look better.
note they said that till now, that the current generation camaro's always been a step behind the mustang in handling? wait'll they run it up against the gt500. there's already rumors that the gt500 has lapped nurburgring in the mid to low 7:30's.
the zl1 will be an impressive car when they are able to deliver them....
OK, so let me get this straight... the new GT500 will have a big boost in hp, but nothing else radical suspension or chassis wise that I've read.... and the Boss 302 has already been demonstrated to be faster than the current GT500 on a road course (C&D Lightning Lap, VIR ).... and the ZL1 whooped the Boss302 not through hp, but better handling... so how is a hp boost gonna help the mustang GT500 when it is loosing the race in the twisties, not the straights?
The GT500 looses to the ZL1 at Leguna Seca in the rematch. Count on it.
And the GT500s I read about at the 'ring were running non-factory brakes, and who knows what else. And they cost more than a Z06 Vette, and are still slower.
Remember Ford lovers..... 2nd place is just the first loser. :) 3rd place is... well, a Dodge. :lol
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I beleive the reason the Vette gets picked to run with the Mustang is price .. it's in the same ballpark.
Two very different design paramaters ..not much of a contest.
The Camaro is the Mustang's competitor .. now if Chrysler would step up and do a 'Cuda in the same genre :)
(nothin against the Challenger, but .. imagine a smaller lighter more hp version retro '68 Cuda lookin affair, mayhap put together to go after SS/A an such again)
Frankly I'd drive any of 'em .. they *all* scratch all the right itches.
Just that bang for the buck ..my vote is with a used Vette..*very* tuff to match the performance for dollar spent.
-GE aka Frank
there is no question thagt the vette is the king. undisputed. even when the vipers were faster, they still were basiclly race cars adapted for the street....and my understanding is that they were uncomfortable due to this.
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OK, so let me get this straight... the new GT500 will have a big boost in hp, but nothing else radical suspension or chassis wise that I've read.... and the Boss 302 has already been demonstrated to be faster than the current GT500 on a road course (C&D Lightning Lap, VIR ).... and the ZL1 whooped the Boss302 not through hp, but better handling... so how is a hp boost gonna help the mustang GT500 when it is loosing the race in the twisties, not the straights?
The GT500 looses to the ZL1 at Leguna Seca in the rematch. Count on it.
And the GT500s I read about at the 'ring were running non-factory brakes, and who knows what else. And they cost more than a Z06 Vette, and are still slower.
Remember Ford lovers..... 2nd place is just the first loser. :) 3rd place is... well, a Dodge. :lol
you might wanna read up on the new gt500. it's much much more than a hp boost.
and the boss302 is a few seconds slower than the current gt500 at vir. 2:58 vs 3:02(kinda funny that time, eh?)
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I should have a steady job by October nad am already building my mustang
http://bp3.ford.com/2012-Ford-Mustang?referrer=FDAF-PaidSearch&partner=BPSearch&lang=en#/MakeItYours/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2012%7C1%7C1.%7C300A.P8C..UX..881.AR3Z-63280B10-BA.8R3Z-63132A08-AC.AR3Z-6344210-CA.89U.NFLEE.457.12A.44X.GT.COU.LESS.55D.43S.%5D
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I should have a steady job by October nad am already building my mustang
http://bp3.ford.com/2012-Ford-Mustang?referrer=FDAF-PaidSearch&partner=BPSearch&lang=en#/MakeItYours/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMustang%7C2012%7C1%7C1.%7C300A.P8C..UX..881.AR3Z-63280B10-BA.8R3Z-63132A08-AC.AR3Z-6344210-CA.89U.NFLEE.457.12A.44X.GT.COU.LESS.55D.43S.%5D
dude....from some of what i read that you post about flying in here, you seem more responsible, and somewhat smarter with more common sense than the average guy of your age.
DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE.
i think golfer would possibly agree with me here.....no one under 25 should have one of these cars. they are crazy fast, crazy capable of cornering like a slot car....and crazy capable of killing their occupants, if they get a little over confident.
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dude....from some of what i read that you post about flying in here, you seem more responsible, and somewhat smarter with more common sense than the average guy of your age.
DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE.
i think golfer would possibly agree with me here.....no one under 25 should have one of these cars. they are crazy fast, crazy capable of cornering like a slot car....and crazy capable of killing their occupants, if they get a little over confident.
I agree with this, but O.T.O.H. if any younger person is capable of controlling themselves and being responsible with it, I think would be Tupac.
Besides I think? (hope) he was kidding anyway. There's better ways he can spend his money.
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dude....from some of what i read that you post about flying in here, you seem more responsible, and somewhat smarter with more common sense than the average guy of your age.
DO NOT BUY ONE OF THESE.
i think golfer would possibly agree with me here.....no one under 25 should have one of these cars. they are crazy fast, crazy capable of cornering like a slot car....and crazy capable of killing their occupants, if they get a little over confident.
I think the insurance cost will keep me away. It costs $130/month just to be insured in the Taurus.
I agree with this, but O.T.O.H. if any younger person is capable of controlling themselves and being responsible with it, I think would be Tupac.
Besides I think? (hope) he was kidding anyway. There's better ways he can spend his money.
Nah, I wasn't kidding. I do want a new car.
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I agree with this, but O.T.O.H. if any younger person is capable of controlling themselves and being responsible with it, I think would be Tupac.
Besides I think? (hope) he was kidding anyway. There's better ways he can spend his money.
this is good points too. me personally.....i will be taking performance driving courses very very soon. i've got the boss302air dam, and splitter to install, then brake cooling ducts.
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If Ford gave a crap about the overrated piece of junk called a Corvette, all they have to do is produce some more Ford GT's. Wipe the vette butt off any track all day and all night. Funny you don't see vettes in a real race situation very often. Well, maybe not funny, rather it's telling that you don't.
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If Ford gave a crap about the overrated piece of junk called a Corvette, all they have to do is produce some more Ford GT's. Wipe the vette butt off any track all day and all night. Funny you don't see vettes in a real race situation very often. Well, maybe not funny, rather it's telling that you don't.
it also may be interestint to note that there were no camaros in the top ten of the continental tire challenge at daytona. 4 mustangs(including the race winner)and six beemers.
also what should be interesting to see, is how the new focus does in the st class.
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Can you say Viper???? Now holds the lap record at Neurbering.
Vipers and Corvettes same class and compete against one another.
Corvettes and Mustangs two completely different classes of automobiles.
I'll still take my MOPAR :aok
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Can you say Viper???? Now holds the lap record at Neurbering.
Vipers and Corvettes same class and compete against one another.
Corvettes and Mustangs two completely different classes of automobiles.
I'll still take my MOPAR :aok
i can get ya a 1200hp street viper if ya got enough money. it's a ragtop to. :devil
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i can get ya a 1200hp street viper if ya got enough money. it's a ragtop to. :devil
What year Cap???
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What year Cap???
i think it's an 06. that's about when they started calling them srt10's, isn't it?
it's a friends....and he hasn't been advertising it for sale....but then again, everything has a price.
i'll link a video featuring it in a week or so. he needs it aligned, and i'm getting a new alignment setup....so i'm going to have the company rep show me how to do it on his viper......and i'm gonna have him film it, so i can upload the video, and try to pimp my shop a little.
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so lets look at a little more fair comparison....although it is in no way fair.
continental tire challenge cars.
ford mustang boss302. built by ford on the same assembly line as street mustangs.....till it comes time for the racing equipment. it is then pulled off of that line, sent out to a welding shop, has the roll cage welded in, is returned to the autoalliance plant(you know? the one that the ford haters said was closing?) and from that point it is assembled by hand. when it leaves the ford factory, it is ready to race, with the exception of a driver, fuel and spare tires.
it must(per the rules) run the ecu delivered in it from ford, and it runs an air intake restrictor. it carries 17 gallons of fuel.
chevy camaro gs-r. built by chevy on the same assembly line as street camaros. it leaves the factory as a street camaro, and goes to riley racing, where they prep it for racing. it can run aftermarket ecu's, has no air restrictor, and carries 18 gallons of fuel.
they both weigh approximately the same. yet........in this series last year, the only 2 races won by camaros, were races in which the top mustang and bmw teams were either knocked out of the race by accidents, or severely set back due to accidents.
it was the ford mustang that came within seconds of taking manufacturers championship from bmw last year. not the chevy camaro. this year, this series started off much the same. ford mustang won, followed by a flotilla of bmw's. there wasn't even a camaro in the top ten. and this was at datona, where supposedly the camaro's 6 liter should have a massive advantage on the long straights. oh yea...almost forgot..the bmw's are factory built racers too....and they too run air intake restrictors.
the 24 hours of daytona was finished by fords 1,2,3 in daytona prototype.
someone earlier up mentioned that the vettes don't do well.....they did kick but in the 24 hours in the gt class.
pot stirred.
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It's more like
Can
America
Make
A
Real
One
Nope, it's depending on the Corvette to pull it's weight and Built in Canada.
I know where it is built. Ever tour the plant? :)
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Can you say Viper???? Now holds the lap record at Neurbering.
Vipers and Corvettes same class and compete against one another.
Corvettes and Mustangs two completely different classes of automobiles.
I'll still take my MOPAR :aok
Vipers no longer built.... :P
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I know where it is built. Ever tour the plant? :)
Nope. Let's just compare Apples to Apples. Oshawa IIRC has been the plant, since Van Nuys shut down.
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Nope. Let's just compare Apples to Apples. Oshawa IIRC has been the plant, since Van Nuys shut down.
Yup and some great guys up there too. Several are honorary members of our Club.
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Vipers no longer built.... :P
Better look again. They still compete and are being re-introduced in 2013.
They still kick a vettes arse. A few short months ago a Viper as stated before, set the Neurbering Lap record.
The only American Cars that could compete with Ferrari, Porsche etc. were the Cobra Daytona and the Cobra GT and the Viper.
Chevy never made anything of that class that could compete and win with any consistency.
My all time favorite of that class.....The Shelby Cobra Daytona. They embarassed Enzo to the point he canceled a race
so that his Ferraris wouldn't be embarrased again.
Even so...I still like both the Camaro and the Mustang. Muscle is back. Mopar my true one and only love :rock
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I think the insurance cost will keep me away. It costs $130/month just to be insured in the Taurus.
Nah, I wasn't kidding. I do want a new car.
If you are set on getting a new car, I strongly urge you to buy outright and not take out a loan.
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Chevy never made anything of that class that could compete and win with any consistency.
Didn't Chevy make a Vette on steroids that was selling for $200,000.00 or so?
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you might wanna read up on the new gt500. it's much much more than a hp boost.
I'd only read a little about it, little interest, ya know. :D
and the boss302 is a few seconds slower than the current gt500 at vir. 2:58 vs 3:02(kinda funny that time, eh?)
What's your source for that 2:58 time? The Feb 2011 test of the current GT500 in the C&D Lightning Lap netted a 3:04:00 time for the GT500, 1.2 sec slower than the Boss 302.
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Vipers no longer built.... :P
uumm..i think you may be mistaken here. hajo would know better.......
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My opinion the Laguna is an over priced status symbol, you would be better off with a stock pony and taking the extra 20k-30k [cost difference] and buying some real performance upgrades for it so it truly would kick butt. :bolt:
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If Ford gave a crap about the overrated piece of junk called a Corvette, all they have to do is produce some more Ford GT's. Wipe the vette butt off any track all day and all night. Funny you don't see vettes in a real race situation very often. Well, maybe not funny, rather it's telling that you don't.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time. Hilarious, but dumb! :rofl
Virginia International Raceway
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT
3:00.7 FORD GT
3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA
3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500
From here http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8 (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8)
Ford GT = "Hey, look at me, I have a great looking but comparatively slow car that I paid wayyy too much for."
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I'd only read a little about it, little interest, ya know. :D
What's your source for that 2:58 time? The Feb 2011 test of the current GT500 in the C&D Lightning Lap netted a 3:04:00 time for the GT500, 1.2 sec slower than the Boss 302.
2:58.48 to be exact. it's all over the place.
watch and enjoy a poorly driven car running in under 3 minutes........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7PIZhFUdc
i think that if nothing else, had he kept from bouncing the thing off the rev limiter nearly every shift, he could've probably trimmed another second or two off of it.
here's a few other links.....
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1045244_2011-shelby-gt500-improves-lap-time-at-vir-by-eight-seconds
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2011-ford-gt500-bests-2010-v-i-r-lap-time-by-9-seconds-video.html
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/11/16/the-2013-shelby-gt500s-official-top-speed-202-mph/
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Our ford GT goes over 270mph in the standing mile.
Our fastest corvettes with near the same horsepower can't come within 28mph of it.
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there is no question thagt the vette is the king. undisputed. even when the vipers were faster, they still were basiclly race cars adapted for the street....and my understanding is that they were uncomfortable due to this.
That's exactly it. Hajo mentioned the 'Ring record that the Viper ACR recently took from the ZR1, and an impressive time it was.
Set by a Viper ACR, a car with no AC, no stereo, no interior carpeting or upholstery, all sound deadening removed, on race tires and suspension settings that would never be liveable on even the best of US streets. In other words, a stripped down, barely street legal race car.
It barely edged out the timse set by the ZR1, which oddly enough had AC, stereo, premium interior, and ran on DOT legal performance street tires.
The viper is an impressive car, none-the-less, but for regular driving, it's a terribly impractical, uncomfortable pig.
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Our ford GT goes over 270mph in the standing mile.
Our fastest corvettes with near the same horsepower can't come within 28mph of it.
WhoopdieDammDoo. You give me enough money I'll make a Chevy Chevette run 300 mph.
We're talking about factory performance figures, not "Let's throw $50,000 at this car to make it better."
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now here's something interesting that i found on a link from one that i provided....a possible nurburgring in the good ole usa? :D :D :D :D
http://www.leftlanenews.com/nurburgring-replica-coming-to-las-vegas.html
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WhoopdieDammDoo. You give me enough money I'll make a Chevy Chevette run 300 mph.
We're talking about factory performance figures, not "Let's throw $50,000 at this car to make it better."
if i threw 50k at my gt........first off, i'd be pretty stupid.....but i'd be pretty stupid with a REALLY cool mustang. :rofl
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My opinion the Laguna is an over priced status symbol, you would be better off with a stock pony and taking the extra 20k-30k [cost difference] and buying some real performance upgrades for it so it truly would kick butt. :bolt:
Your numbers are off significantly.
A Boss 302 retail price with the Recaro seats and upgraded helical differential ($1995 retail option) isn't even $10,000 more than my V6 convertible. Even less a gap for a premium GT coupe with similar equipment. In fact the price I was offered which had me so hot and bothered about stepping into one narrowed that gap by another 20%. Laguna Secas are only ~7,000 more than that.
I'll be having a Race Red Boss 302 at some point. I want to build a C3 big window with an LS motor first to break in my new garage (been on my to-do list for a long time) but chickened out with the house buying and not wanting to trade away/sell my pretty blue vert.
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2:58.48 to be exact. it's all over the place.
watch and enjoy a poorly driven car running in under 3 minutes........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR7PIZhFUdc
i think that if nothing else, had he kept from bouncing the thing off the rev limiter nearly every shift, he could've probably trimmed another second or two off of it.
Actually CAP, having raced (and won) at VIR, I can tell ya that wasn't a poorly driven car at all. The rev limiter thing seems counter-intuitive, but I can tell you it makes for a quicker lap if you ride that rev limiter at the end of straights, just before braking zones, instead of trying to grab the next gear. Now, if you're bouncing off it excessively before upshifts early in the straight, you're wasting time. But I can tell you, he used every bit of that track and put the car in all of the places it needed to be.
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Actually CAP, having raced (and won) at VIR, I can tell ya that wasn't a poorly driven car at all. The rev limiter thing seems counter-intuitive, but I can tell you it makes for a quicker lap if you ride that rev limiter at the end of straights, just before braking zones, instead of trying to grab the next gear. Now, if you're bouncing off it excessively before upshifts early in the straight, you're wasting time. But I can tell you, he used every bit of that track and put the car in all of the places it needed to be.
hhmm....i actually thought hitting it like that was a bad thing....but i can see your point as you explained it.
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where'd they pull the magnetic ride suspension from again? where'd they pull the supercharger from again? :devil
So is a Mustang just a Thunderbird in disguise? I mean, it has a V8, and of course Ford put that in the Thunderbird first, the Mustang came later.... :headscratch:
:D
Acura and Mercedes use magneto rheological tech in their suspensions, off a GM patent..... does that make them also Corvettes in disguise? :lol
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So is a Mustang just a Thunderbird in disguise? I mean, it has a V8, and of course Ford put that in the Thunderbird first, the Mustang came later.... :headscratch:
:D
Acura and Mercedes use magneto rheological tech in their suspensions, off a GM patent..... does that make them also Corvettes in disguise? :lol
no, that just makes them german engineers that admit they aren't as good as they think they are. :devil
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So is a Mustang just a Thunderbird in disguise? I mean, it has a V8, and of course Ford put that in the Thunderbird first, the Mustang came later.... :headscratch:
:D
Acura and Mercedes use magneto rheological tech in their suspensions, off a GM patent..... does that make them also Corvettes in disguise? :lol
The Thunderbird was an early, direct competitor to the Corvette.
The Magnetic Suspension on the Camaro is a cheapened version of the CTS-V suspension. Just read up on the 2013 GT500. :rofl
I've driven all three Pony cars and still Overall prefer the Mustang, especially the Stage One Roushes. It provides a "softer suspension" in the twisties and is still comfortable for a Daily Driver. The Stang is followed closely by the Challenger. I have driven an SRT8 from Michigan to Naples for delivery to the Roush Naples, FL site. I was then allowed to "stretch it's legs" on their test track. The only modifications were in the powertrain, mild tuning, etc. But in the corners the oversteer was rediculous, but made drifting the preferred method.
EDIT: You are way off on your bashing of the Mustang and it shows on your exaggerated pricing of the Laguna Seca. It's obvious you hate the Mustang, but show some intelligence in your statements.
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The Thunderbird was an early, direct competitor to the Corvette.
Thank you for the history lesson, Captain Obvious. I know it was a competitor to the Corvette, and am thankful for it... had it not been for the T-bird and its V8, Zora Arkus-Duntov never would have written that letter to GM management convincing them to put the V8 in the Corvette for '55 and get rid of that Blue Flame 6, and he may have never wound up as Chief Engineer if he hadn't written that letter. In case it went over your head, my remark to CAP was sarcasm.
The Magnetic Suspension on the Camaro is a cheapened version of the CTS-V suspension. Just read up on the 2013 GT500. :rofl
You might want to read up on GM... the CTS-V magnetic suspension is based on the ZR-1 suspension, as I stated. The patents were earned with a Corvette test mule, and were on the ZR-1 years before the CTS-V.
I've driven all three Pony cars and still Overall prefer the Mustang, especially the Stage One Roushes. It provides a "softer suspension" in the twisties and is still comfortable for a Daily Driver. The Stang is followed closely by the Challenger. I have driven an SRT8 from Michigan to Naples for delivery to the Roush Naples, FL site. I was then allowed to "stretch it's legs" on their test track. The only modifications were in the powertrain, mild tuning, etc. But in the corners the oversteer was rediculous, but made drifting the preferred method.
YAY! You have formed a very subjective opinion based on your driving preferences. Not that it matters when we're talking about actual road course lap times. But GO YOU! :aok
EDIT: You are way off on your bashing of the Mustang and it shows on your exaggerated pricing of the Laguna Seca. It's obvious you hate the Mustang, but show some intelligence in your statements.
If that was directed at me, try rereading my posts, and come back when you have a clue. I never said anything about the Boss302 Laguna's price, that was someone else. My comments have been limited to facts concerning track times and comparison tests. I don't hate the Mustang, I really don't care one way or the other. I'm just here to get CAP all worked up.
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Lap times mean everything. I don't have anything else of validity to add to the discussion, but I am right.
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I'll accept that as an admission you were wrong by implying I stated something I didn't say.
The discussion is concerning the road tests and lap times.
Yes, the Laguna is nice. So is the GT500. So is the Challenger. I never said they weren't.
Try washing the sand out.
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You might want to read up on GM... the CTS-V magnetic suspension is based on the ZR-1 suspension, as I stated. The patents were earned with a Corvette test mule, and were on the ZR-1 years before the CTS-V.
Next time you post about this, maybe you'll remember that MagneRide started on the STS 2002, before the ZR-1 was brought back (it was used on the C5 (Z06)).
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I'll accept that as an admission you were wrong by implying I stated something I didn't say.
The discussion is concerning the road tests and lap times.
Yes, the Laguna is nice. So is the GT500. So is the Challenger. I never said they weren't.
Try washing the sand out.
Lap times. Awesome! I went around MIS as a Lead Test Driver for Roush Racing 100's of times. You're right, I only have "opinions", but I was the driver. I'm not reciting times from a hack rag. Miss that job, but the benefits blew.
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Next time you post about this, maybe you'll remember that MagneRide started on the STS 2002, before the ZR-1 was brought back (it was used on the C5 (Z06)).
Pretty sure you're incorrect about the C5 Z06, never came with magnetic ride control as far as I reember. Adjustible valving, yes, but not magnetorheological.
And Delphi's system was developed earlier and a version of it was available on the 2002 STS, among other cars, but you know good and well there are several generations of difference between that and what was developed for the ZR-1..... which was prior to the CTS-V, as I stated.
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Lap times. Awesome! I went around MIS as a Lead Test Driver for Roush Racing 100's of times. You're right, I only have "opinions", but I was the driver. I'm not reciting times from a hack rag. Miss that job, but the benefits blew.
So you're likely more biased than I, based on this. Congrats on your sweet gig. You're still ignoring the point of my post, but whatever. Since you know better than all of us, I'd like a recording of the call when you dial up Randy Pobst and tell him he's a hack driver, you know, based on what he said in the video in the original post.
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Pretty sure you're incorrect about the C5 Z06, never came with magnetic ride control as far as I reember. Adjustible valving, yes, but not magnetorheological.
And Delphi's system was developed earlier and a version of it was available on the 2002 STS, among other cars, but you know good and well there are several generations of difference between that and what was developed for the ZR-1..... which was prior to the CTS-V, as I stated.
It was on the C5, especially the Z06. Which is why I was even floored that CAP mentioned it at first. The MagneRide was on the 09 CTS-V and is more than likely the beginning of the implementation of the same on the Camaro. The ZR-1 is not the "test bed", it was the Buicks, Holdens, Audi's (cost effective) that were the "test beds". Not much tweaking is needed between them. I can tell you this much, there are different grades of it and there is no way in hell the ZR-1 factors into this discussion. The CTS-V, probably, but not a $100k+ car. Yes price point will most definitely give you a good barometer.
All I am trying to bring real world things to this discussion. If it is a pissing match others want, I will walk away laughing.
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So you're likely more biased than I, based on this. Congrats on your sweet gig. You're still ignoring the point of my post, but whatever. Since you know better than all of us, I'd like a recording of the call when you dial up Randy Pobst and tell him he's a hack driver, you know, based on what he said in the video in the original post.
I am not biased. Which is why I am still wondering why "lap times" are the determining factor for a $40,000 car?
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Your numbers are off significantly.
A Boss 302 retail price with the Recaro seats and upgraded helical differential ($1995 retail option) isn't even $10,000 more than my V6 convertible. Even less a gap for a premium GT coupe with similar equipment. In fact the price I was offered which had me so hot and bothered about stepping into one narrowed that gap by another 20%. Laguna Secas are only ~7,000 more than that.
Sticker and what people actually pay are two different things, the dealer I work for sold 3 of them and they were all sold for over 50k....just goes to show you there is an A $ $ for every seat and a seat for every a $ $
I have driven them and driven them hard with and without the "Track key" a GT Pony with a supercharger, tires and suspension will eat them alive and you will have more fun with it and save a ton of cash to buy beer and chicks with :rock
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All I am trying to bring real world things to this discussion. If it is a pissing match others want, I will walk away laughing.
No pissing match, it was a discussion about track performance and lap times. You however decided to throw out a misplaced insult......
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Sticker and what people actually pay are two different things, the dealer I work for sold 3 of them and they were all sold for over 50k....just goes to show you there is an A $ $ for every seat and a seat for every a $ $
I have driven them and driven them hard with and without the "Track key" a GT Pony with a supercharger, tires and suspension will eat them alive and you will have more fun with it and save a ton of cash to buy beer and chicks with :rock
You must be a Porter.
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I am not biased. Which is why I am still wondering why "lap times" are the determining factor for a $40,000 car?
Well, Karaya, what other factors should they take into consideration in a track test of "pony cars" and their relative performance?
The A/C? The aesthetics of the interior design? How many stations you can get on the stereo? The grade of leather used on the seats?
It was a performance test..... you know, who wins the race. When it comes to performance, lap times are really all that matter, IMHO. Otherwise, what's the damned point?
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I'm just here to get CAP all worked up.
:rofl :rofl
nearly impossible today. i've got a pretty nasty headache, although it's somewhat subsided by now.......friggin FINALLY.
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It was on the C5, especially the Z06. Which is why I was even floored that CAP mentioned it at first. The MagneRide was on the 09 CTS-V and is more than likely the beginning of the implementation of the same on the Camaro. The ZR-1 is not the "test bed", it was the Buicks, Holdens, Audi's (cost effective) that were the "test beds". Not much tweaking is needed between them. I can tell you this much, there are different grades of it and there is no way in hell the ZR-1 factors into this discussion. The CTS-V, probably, but not a $100k+ car. Yes price point will most definitely give you a good barometer.
You're absolutely right. I just went back and did some reading up... I never knew the F55 suspension was magnetic. I stand corrected.
And see? I can admit I was wrong, unlike some. :rofl
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:rofl :rofl
nearly impossible today. i've got a pretty nasty headache, although it's somewhat subsided by now.......friggin FINALLY.
I had a headache too, Canadian Club gave it a few whacks, and it's gone. And I'm happy now! :D
:cheers:
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Well, Karaya, what other factors should they take into consideration in a track test of "pony cars" and their relative performance?
The A/C? The aesthetics of the interior design? How many stations you can get on the stereo? The grade of leather used on the seats?
It was a performance test..... you know, who wins the race. When it comes to performance, lap times are really all that matter, IMHO. Otherwise, what's the damned point?
I guess I am wondering why you posting Lap times of VIR, of Vettes, had to do with the conversation at hand? Because the Camaro SS barely beat the V-6 Mustang on that nifty chart. So I guess I am left wondering why some still feel the need to compare a "Pony Car to a Car that is NOT it's direct competitor".
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You must be a Porter.
Good one :aok but off a bit :D been a tech for the last 26 years with Ford/Lincoln and am the dealers Mustang dude, superchargers,suspension and drive train work get's done by myself........test drives are the best part of my job when it comes to upgrades :devil
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Good one :aok but off a bit :D been a tech for the last 26 years with Ford/Lincoln and am the dealers Mustang dude, superchargers,suspension and drive train work get's done by myself........test drives are the best part of my job when it comes to upgrades :devil
So how come you haven't a clue of pricing? Because even the cheapest Shelby Mustang, is superior to the GT Premium with every option.
"My apologies Reaper". :cheers:
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I guess I am wondering why you posting Lap times of VIR, of Vettes, had to do with the conversation at hand? Because the Camaro SS barely beat the V-6 Mustang on that nifty chart. So I guess I am left wondering why some still feel the need to compare a "Pony Car to a Car that is NOT it's direct competitor".
Did you happen to notice the quote by Dago that I referenced in my post with the lap times from VIR?
In case you won't be bothered to go back and re-read the thread, I'll repost it:
Quote from: Dago on Yesterday at 04:25:12 PM
If Ford gave a crap about the overrated piece of junk called a Corvette, all they have to do is produce some more Ford GT's. Wipe the vette butt off any track all day and all night. Funny you don't see vettes in a real race situation very often. Well, maybe not funny, rather it's telling that you don't.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time. Hilarious, but dumb!
Virginia International Raceway
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT
3:00.7 FORD GT
3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA
3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500
From here http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8
Ford GT = "Hey, look at me, I have a great looking but comparatively slow car that I paid wayyy too much for."
So now, you're wrong again by implying that I started the Corvette discussion... FACT is that was the first time I mentioned Corvette, all of my previous half dozen or so posts in the thread were NOTHING but Mustang/Camaro related, it was other people who brought the Vette in. I was only responding to the imbecile with facts.
and :cheers: back to you.
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Did you happen to notice the quote by Dago that I referenced in my post with the lap times from VIR?
In case you won't be bothered to go back and re-read the thread, I'll repost it:
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read in a long, long time. Hilarious, but dumb!
Virginia International Raceway
2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1
2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT
3:00.7 FORD GT
3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51)
3:02.8 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA
3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500
From here http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2012-feature-sortable-times-complete-lightning-lap-times-2006-to-2012-page-8
Ford GT = "Hey, look at me, I have a great looking but comparatively slow car that I paid wayyy too much for."
So now, you're wrong again by implying that I started the Corvette discussion... FACT is that was the first time I mentioned Corvette, all of my previous half dozen or so posts in the thread were NOTHING but Mustang/Camaro related, it was other people who brought the Vette in. I was only responding to the imbecile with facts.
and :cheers: back to you.
I never said you "started" it, that it just continued other previous posters who did the same thing. Ford GT comments aside, it is annoying. The C3-5R program kicked bellybutton in the GT Series. Those who deny it, shouldn't be typing.
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The Ford GT is a 7 year old car........at the time, no Vette could touch it. It was always a planned "3 year production run". 3:00 on that track is probably from the Prototype with the first engine, not the Production engine. They do themselves a great disservice by not providing model years.
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The Ford GT is a 7 year old car........at the time, no Vette could touch it. It was always a planned "3 year production run". 3:00 on that track is probably from the Prototype with the first engine, not the Production engine. They do themselves a great disservice by not providing model years.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
Laugh all you want. The ZR1 was brought back because of the GT.
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Laugh all you want. The ZR1 was brought back because of the GT.
LOL, not quite, it was brought back to compete with Porsche and Ferrari on the world stage... and that came straight from the mouth of Dave Hill at Road Atlanta. I'll take his word for it 100% of the time.
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The Ford GT is a 7 year old car........at the time, no Vette could touch it. It was always a planned "3 year production run". 3:00 on that track is probably from the Prototype with the first engine, not the Production engine. They do themselves a great disservice by not providing model years.
The Ford GT never was anything more than a Halo car, an image car.... a "gee wizz" car. Probably a lot of the reason why Ford was so interested in it NOT being raced, and refused to support teams that chose to do so (such as Robinson Racing in the ALMS GT Series... gorgeous cars, just a shame that the only time you see them on tv is when they're being lapped).
And if you looked on the link I posted, you would see that they do, in fact, post dates of the tests, and one doesn't have to leap very far to come to the conclusion that they are testing the most current model year available at the time of the test.
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LOL, not quite, it was brought back to compete with Porsche and Ferrari on the world stage... and that came straight from the mouth of Dave Hill at Road Atlanta. I'll take his word for it 100% of the time.
Dave Hill himself said: "The Blue Devil (the 2009 ZR1) is the Ford GT-fighter within GM".
The chicken or the egg? :devil
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Sticker and what people actually pay are two different things, the dealer I work for sold 3 of them and they were all sold for over 50k....just goes to show you there is an A $ $ for every seat and a seat for every a $ $
I have driven them and driven them hard with and without the "Track key" a GT Pony with a supercharger, tires and suspension will eat them alive and you will have more fun with it and save a ton of cash to buy beer and chicks with :rock
$33,000 for a base GT coupe w/ Brembos, 3.73 diff and a cover (apples/apples vs Boss). $43,500 MSRP for a Boss w/ Recaro seats and Diff package (the one I'd have). $48,100 for a Laguna Seca. $41,300 for a base Boss.
Those are the numbers we'll be using. Not ones you pulled out of your hind end.
Don't forget the free track day driving school you get for buying a Boss.
Now, using your $10,000 go buy a procharger and race suspension, nix your warranty and have a nice day in your entry level GT. I'll still have my Recaro optioned Boss, thanks.
FWIW, you can very much buy a Recaro Boss for $41,500. The Orange one down the street from me has been there for 3 months. I stopped in and their first offer was MSRP, their second was well below. My best offer yet was from a dealer in Ft Lauderdale. There's plenty of money down there, too. If I wasn't buying a house I would have my Florida car a Boss today rather than a rental.
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Sticker and what people actually pay are two different things, the dealer I work for sold 3 of them and they were all sold for over 50k....just goes to show you there is an A $ $ for every seat and a seat for every a $ $
I have driven them and driven them hard with and without the "Track key" a GT Pony with a supercharger, tires and suspension will eat them alive and you will have more fun with it and save a ton of cash to buy beer and chicks with :rock
gt cost=$34k to $38k
supercharger= $5k to $7k
installation of supercharger= $3? or so>?
tune to compliment supercharger=?
suspension upgrade= $3 to $4k'ish?
i think at that point you've just spent more than the 302ls costs. annnd....voided any/all warranties.
one thing i'm still looking for info on....the track key option. it would seem to me that these cars use the same ecu, but with different programming. i would think that there's a possibility to use the track key setup on the gt...which would be pretty dam cool.
as a side note......i have my boss302 air dam, and splitter......still need to pick up the brake cooling duct kit.
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Well, Karaya, what other factors should they take into consideration in a track test of "pony cars" and their relative performance?
The A/C? The aesthetics of the interior design? How many stations you can get on the stereo? The grade of leather used on the seats?
It was a performance test..... you know, who wins the race. When it comes to performance, lap times are really all that matter, IMHO. Otherwise, what's the damned point?
they're a track test of street cars, so really, all of what you mentioned does matter.
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I had a headache too, Canadian Club gave it a few whacks, and it's gone. And I'm happy now! :D
:cheers:
mine aren't from anything fun. i get these once in awhile still. i used to get them every week, and then every night. it was due to tension at work. i actually quit a job because of them. everyone told my i was nuts, and wrong. yet when i quit, almost instantly, the headaches stopped.
this one was caused because i had a pretty tense week......been stressing because it's slow, and been stressing over dropping one bit of advertising, and signing up on a different type...which came highly recommended by another shop.
top that off with the fact that although it's slow, i just signed the papers to purchase $10k worth of alignment equipment. now i know that may not seem like much to you guys.....but to me still being somewhat new, that is a LOT.
so a lot of stress this week, equals massive headache today.
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LOL, not quite, it was brought back to compete with Porsche and Ferrari on the world stage... and that came straight from the mouth of Dave Hill at Road Atlanta. I'll take his word for it 100% of the time.
gonna ask a stupid question. who is dave hill?
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mine aren't from anything fun. i get these once in awhile still. i used to get them every week, and then every night. it was due to tension at work. i actually quit a job because of them. everyone told my i was nuts, and wrong. yet when i quit, almost instantly, the headaches stopped.
this one was caused because i had a pretty tense week......been stressing because it's slow, and been stressing over dropping one bit of advertising, and signing up on a different type...which came highly recommended by another shop.
top that off with the fact that although it's slow, i just signed the papers to purchase $10k worth of alignment equipment. now i know that may not seem like much to you guys.....but to me still being somewhat new, that is a LOT.
so a lot of stress this week, equals massive headache today.
No reason to get stressed over a discussion ;). It all comes to brand favoritism. I for one am glad Mustang went back on the streets retro.
I'd never have my R/T which I thought I would never have, and the new Camaro would be an afterthought. I've spent over 5K on various parts
and dress-up on my Challenger. When the warranty is through the supercharger goes on. Still.....I won't drive it crazy. get on it once in awhile
just to stretch its' legs. And win a few more trophies at cruises and shows. :P
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gonna ask a stupid question. who is dave hill?
Chief Engineer for C5 and C6's. He retired in 06...
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1104_2011_chevrolet_corvette_2011_ford_shelby_gt500_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1104_2011_chevrolet_corvette_2011_ford_shelby_gt500_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html)
Z06 vs GT-R vs GT-500.....
If the Shelby had bigger brakes and bigger rubber, it may have pushed the Z06... That and weighing over 500 lb more than the Corvette doesn't help. In another test, the 2006 Ford GT shows better performance than the 2011 Z06. Not bad for a car not designed to be the fastest, just the best looking.... ;)
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Chief Engineer for C5 and C6's. He retired in 06...
aahh........is he as honest as al openheimer? :devil
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No reason to get stressed over a discussion ;). It all comes to brand favoritism. I for one am glad Mustang went back on the streets retro.
I'd never have my R/T which I thought I would never have, and the new Camaro would be an afterthought. I've spent over 5K on various parts
and dress-up on my Challenger. When the warranty is through the supercharger goes on. Still.....I won't drive it crazy. get on it once in awhile
just to stretch its' legs. And win a few more trophies at cruises and shows. :P
nonononono...i wasn't stressing ue to this thread...i don't allow anything i see on the puter to do that to me. i was explaining to reaper why i had todays headache. it was basically caused from stress at the shop last week.
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Cap all the "Track Key" does is give the PCM a little bit of an aggressive tune[450HP] and adjustable Launch Control, adjustable Pit Lane Speed Control Lopey idle that's it, the program for the key only became available in early august thanks to C.A.R.B lot's of PO'ed boss owners out there before that. A base GT stang have been dyno'ed at close to 600 hp and up.
As for putting and end to the warranty when you do bolt on stuff if you use Motorsport or Roush and it is dealer installed the warentee stays pretty much intact, it drops your powertrain from 5-50 to 1-12 depending on the MOD's that are done.
AS a note to any BOSS owners out there DO NOT do any mods not even a K&N filter, there is a message from FORD that if it has a mod you are SOL, so if you add a MOD put it back to stock if you blow it up before you take it back to the dealer for repairs, they will send an FSE out to check the car before it can be repaired. The days of supping up your Pony and keeping the warranty in Ford's eye's has gone the way of the dinosaur.
Sorry to the OP for sort of jacking his thread
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So how come you haven't a clue of pricing? Because even the cheapest Shelby Mustang, is superior to the GT Premium with every option.
"My apologies Reaper". :cheers:
I have a clue, no need to get all worked up since is did not even bring up the Shelby. You are correct the Shelby kicks butt and with a supercharger upgrade and some gears you are in for one hell of a ride.
I was just offering my opinion that you would get more bang for your buck up grading a base Mustang GT and having more fun with it over the cash some people pay for a BOSS.
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Right now one who wants to enter the muscle/sports/cruise market can purchase Corvettes at a very reasonable price.
70s',80s' and 90 Corvettes are in SOME cases very very reasonable. (cheap)
I do have favorites in the corvette line, the split window Coupe, 67, 69 and believe it or not 53 and 56 Vettes.
Harley Earl was truly one of americas best car designers, (53 Buick Skylark Convertible, and 53 Eldorado).
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Cap all the "Track Key" does is give the PCM a little bit of an aggressive tune[450HP] and adjustable Launch Control, adjustable Pit Lane Speed Control Lopey idle that's it, the program for the key only became available in early august thanks to C.A.R.B lot's of PO'ed boss owners out there before that. A base GT stang have been dyno'ed at close to 600 hp and up.
As for putting and end to the warranty when you do bolt on stuff if you use Motorsport or Roush and it is dealer installed the warentee stays pretty much intact, it drops your powertrain from 5-50 to 1-12 depending on the MOD's that are done.
AS a note to any BOSS owners out there DO NOT do any mods not even a K&N filter, there is a message from FORD that if it has a mod you are SOL, so if you add a MOD put it back to stock if you blow it up before you take it back to the dealer for repairs, they will send an FSE out to check the car before it can be repaired. The days of supping up your Pony and keeping the warranty in Ford's eye's has gone the way of the dinosaur.
Sorry to the OP for sort of jacking his thread
cool....i appreciate that info.
the track key is the perfect solution. i know....as i'm sure everyone in this thread does......that a decent bit of tuning in the ecu can net at least 50 usable hp. the track key makes it the perfect way to do this. i'd friggin LOVE to have a launch control in my gt, and even fire her up once in awhile, and hear that lope that i used to get in my 89 with the "X" cam.
yea.....CARB needs to go away.
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I have a clue, no need to get all worked up since is did not even bring up the Shelby. You are correct the Shelby kicks butt and with a supercharger upgrade and some gears you are in for one hell of a ride.
I was just offering my opinion that you would get more bang for your buck up grading a base Mustang GT and having more fun with it over the cash some people pay for a BOSS.
if you take a base gt, and upgrade it to the equilivent of a gt500, you will have spent much more money, and time.
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Most reputable builders have their own warrantee.
Chevy says "your welcome ford for waking you up".
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Most reputable builders have their own warrantee.
Chevy says "your welcome ford for waking you up".
it should actually be the other way 'round, seeing as ford never stopped building mustangs.
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it should actually be the other way 'round, seeing as ford never stopped building mustangs.
They just puttered along with so so hp untill the V6 camaro came along putting out almost the same HP as the mustang GT.
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it should actually be the other way 'round, seeing as ford never stopped building mustangs.
They never stopped naming a car in their line-up "Mustang" but that 4-cylinder crap-box from the '70's never deserved to be called that.
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stupid lag :furious
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They never stopped naming a car in their line-up "Mustang" but that 4-cylinder crap-box from the '70's never deserved to be called that.
no, it didn't......but then again, the 70's corvettes, and camaros never deserved those names either.
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They just puttered along with so so hp untill the V6 camaro came along putting out almost the same HP as the mustang GT.
annnnd the reason it came back? thanks to the mustang still being in production, and being popular.
you're welcome. :devil
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no, it didn't......but then again, the 70's corvettes, and camaros never deserved those names either.
They may have been strangled with smog equipment, but they still had V8's.... :D
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They may have been strangled with smog equipment, but they still had V8's.... :D
so did the pinto-stangs. :neener:
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annnnd the reason it came back? thanks to the mustang still being in production, and being popular.
you're welcome. :devil
Since camaro has been back it has outsold mustang. :)
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Since camaro has been back it has outsold mustang. :)
not last month it ididn't.
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eh, shows what I know about Ferds... I thought the little pony lost the v8 for a few years. :headscratch:
But at least the Bowties looked good while they were going slow! :neener:
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Mustangs and Camaros both gorgeous and very good cars. This coming from a MOPAR guy no less.
I've learned to appreciate all vehicles. It started during the 50s, the decade imho that automobiles
were just absolutely gorgeous. They were individual in design. Chrome....57 Chevy introduced fuel injection
to the family truckster Dad could buy at the dealership. The early Thunderbirds which were twice the
car of the early Corvettes. The timeless classics 55 thru 58 Chevys'. I loved the 57 Ford...my Dad had one.
Hemis were in DeSotos and Chryslers in general. Garlits threw a 355 DeSoto Hemi in his first rail.
The 50s' started it all for american automakers and purchasers and for the guys that raced street and strip.
My brother and I would play a game while traveling with the family. name the car first and you won a point.
All brands were quite distinctive.
Now......I generally say..."what the hell is that?" For the most part they all look alike.
We now can identify without any delay a Challenger, a Mustang, and a Camaro. It's about dam time!
I'm a kid again back in the 60s driving the same dam way....in a car that can make the road thunder and smoke.
Another thing I like about my MOPAR. It is not over produced. They only make about 40K Challengers a year.
Makes it a nice investment.
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not last month it ididn't.
Your correct last month it did not. :)
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206620 (http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206620)
Since 2009 3 or 4 months mustang had more sales. :D
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Mustangs and Camaros both gorgeous and very good cars. This coming from a MOPAR guy no less.
I've learned to appreciate all vehicles. It started during the 50s, the decade imho that automobiles
were just absolutely gorgeous. They were individual in design. Chrome....57 Chevy introduced fuel injection
to the family truckster Dad could buy at the dealership. The early Thunderbirds which were twice the
car of the early Corvettes. The timeless classics 55 thru 58 Chevys'. I loved the 57 Ford...my Dad had one.
Hemis were in DeSotos and Chryslers in general. Garlits threw a 355 DeSoto Hemi in his first rail.
The 50s' started it all for american automakers and purchasers and for the guys that raced street and strip.
My brother and I would play a game while traveling with the family. name the car first and you won a point.
All brands were quite distinctive.
Now......I generally say..."what the hell is that?" For the most part they all look alike.
We now can identify without any delay a Challenger, a Mustang, and a Camaro. It's about dam time!
I'm a kid again back in the 60s driving the same dam way....in a car that can make the road thunder and smoke.
Another thing I like about my MOPAR. It is not over produced. They only make about 40K Challengers a year.
Makes it a nice investment.
buddy of mine had a 57 fairlane with a 390 and trips. was a 10.90 street car, although he gave up a lot in my opinion to go that fast.
his brother foolishly sold off their fathers 427 galaxy
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I remember when my brother bought a brand new 1988 5.0 Mustang LX. It was faster than the the GT and the Z28. At the time, I owned a 1986 Shelby GLHS. The ass-whoopin' the Shelby gave the mid 80s Vettes and pony cars was epic. 0-60 in 6 seconds. 1/4 mile in the low 14s. .94g lateral acceleration, and braking distances 30 feet shorter than Mustang, with zero fade (the Mustang's brakes would fade badly). Several years later, we pulled the 175 hp 2.3 liter and swapped in a 220 hp 2.5 liter. A close ratio gear box kept the power in the meat of the curve. Konis were standard. 205/50-15 Gatorbacks too. There's not many left of the original 500 built, but you can still find some doing SCCA SOLO events.
While it was simply one of the fastest, quickest and best handling cars sold in this country at the time, it was a complete disaster in terms of reliability. Head gaskets.... I think I replaced 3 of them. Fuel pumps would have the pick-up fall off (safety wired hardware to cure). Turbo seals were poor... I replaced the turbo twice. It also suffered from an intermittent dead short in the main wiring harness. Eventually, I replaced the entire harness (special order, not inexpensive). The upgrade to the 2.5 liter cured the head gasket woes, and pushed down the 0-60 times into the middle 5 second range. Pretty peppy for 1990....
However, when it was running, :O God help the Corvette, Camaro or Mustang driver who thought his factory stock car was fast..... More recently, I owned a WRX. The GLHS was quicker, and better handling (much less understeer). OTOH, the WRX was reliable and vastly more drivable on a daily basis. You'd have to buy an Mitsu Evo or and STI to go faster than the GLHS, and only marginally so.... The GLHS was the Viper ACR of its day.
Edit: I found this website by a current owner of a GLHS... Minor re-tuning resulted in a 12 second 1/4 mile.... Not bad for a four door, four banger that's based on the old Omni....
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buddy of mine had a 57 fairlane with a 390 and trips. was a 10.90 street car, although he gave up a lot in my opinion to go that fast.
his brother foolishly sold off their fathers 427 galaxy
We had a Galaxy 500 ran like a scalded cat.
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We had a Galaxy 500 ran like a scalded cat.
my 64 ragtop did too. had a 392 in it single 4bbl. it never ceased to amaze me how fast that landyaght would get to speed. some old guy came up my driveway one day while i was working on the mustang, and asked me if it was for sale. at first i said no. then he hit the right number.
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buddy of mine had a 57 fairlane with a 390 and trips. was a 10.90 street car, although he gave up a lot in my opinion to go that fast.
his brother foolishly sold off their fathers 427 galaxy
If I remember correctly our 57 Fairlane had a 321 cu. in. V8. Had "Thunderbird" on the valve covers.
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If I remember correctly our 57 Fairlane had a 321 cu. in. V8. Had "Thunderbird" on the valve covers.
hiw wasn't stock. it's also the one that he launched chunks of the 9" ring gear out the back end of the diff housing. it was a nasty, scary fast car.......and friggin beautiful too.
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I had a 1970 Mach 1 with 428 CobraJet. It was a great car and a lot of fun. One of those "wish I had never sold" cars.
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I joined the ranks of the Pony drivers late last year, and with the weather being unseasonably warm here in central Canada, I brought my wife's car and my two out of storage a little early. The Viper is going to go up for sale soon I think, and I plan on driving the '11 Shelby for my main driver, but I had originally planned on getting one of these new Camaro's instead of the Mustang, but the deal was too good and I had a strong urge for something new. I've had a lot of high performance cars, and like to shake it up now and then, although I've been a die hard GM customer until the last couple of years. In the mid 90's I drove a 1995 Stealth Turbo, which was a pretty decent car for back then, 4 wheel drive,4 wheel steering, 300HP and was easy to push to its limits. Then I had a 1997 Ram Air Firebird WS6 that was built to race from the factory, didn't even have power windows or locks. This got annoying after a while, so when the 98's came out and the models of Bird/Camaro went through a major change, I traded it for a 1998 Camaro SS, which is the car I think I look back on and have the most smiles about. Then in 2002 I got one of the last years of the Camaro SS line in another trade.
After this I got REALLY into Corvette's, and went through several before my last one, a Z06 that was blown, and I had a lot of fun with it as well, nearly as many good memories as the 98 Camaro SS, which I still feel is my favorite car. I put some pics up of some of these in the favorite Car thread. After a couple years of being a vette driver, I came to realize that everyone else on the block had the same idea and I couldn't spit without passing another one every time I was out, so a drastic change was required. Enter the Viper, a car which I virtually stole, and will turn likely 20k profit on when and if I sell it. After reading a lot about the new mustangs, and encountering several on the road last year, I became enamored with the Ford's for some strange reason, and after going in shopping for a 2012 5 litre, I ended up finding a crazy deal on a dealer demo 2011 Shelby, which followed me home, along with some earaches from the other half. She decided that it was time for her OWN car, and after deciding to likely get rid of the Snake and give her a spot in the main garage, she went out and bought this Asian monstrosity.
(http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i382/Gmansig220/396359_322404267791225_100000649643381_1007996_735426850_n.jpg)
Don't get me started on this thing....I get angry just typing this thinking about it, and it's my solemn hope that it gets stolen from her workplace. It was SUPPOSED to be this new Camaro once available. I swear women do things that THEY even don't want to do just to win their little fights.
The one thing I've found with the cars I've driven is that everyone has that certain something that makes them special to you. Watching this video from the OP cements this, as I LOVE the new Camaro, everything about it, but the Boss is a very cool car as well, and I could be happy with either of them, and think that arguing the fine points regarding each is sort of special olympic-ish. As I get older the bragging rights of performance statistic have become FAR less important than the "esprit" or "soul" feeling I get from my ride. That said, I still want that ZL1, hah.
Widewing talking about the old 5 liter Mustang's brings back a lot of high school memories. Every kid who's parents bought them a car wanted or had a 5.0 GT. My father's police department had a bunch of '89 Ford 5.0 liter Notch Backs for their pursuit cars, and they would beat the GT's by a slim margin, although without the T Roofs, haha. I can remember that those 225 HP cars were GIANTS of performance back then...now a Honda Civic has the same HP or near enough, and my Mustang has 2.5 times the HP in a car not much larger. Twenty years has seen a huge boost in performance for the money.
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If I remember correctly our 57 Fairlane had a 321 cu. in. V8. Had "Thunderbird" on the valve covers.
My memory fades also but wasnt that a 312 V8? or did you just make a typo? IIRC those valve covers were golden colored.
We had a few cars I dodnt remember but the first memoralble 1 we had was a 68 wildcat with the 430 rocket motor.
Oh and Wide I remember those GLHS's my brother inlaw had 1,yup blew the head gasket a couple times,he also had a Feugo{sp} by Renault...... :rolleyes: Worse peice of junk I've ever seen.
:salute
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I had a GLH turbo and a Shelby CSX-T for a while and even collected a very sweet lotus 16 valve head but I'm still looking for the "TC maserati" 16 valve head.
Probably won't get to building one eventually but finding a good condition small 2 door K car might kick start the project.
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My memory fades also but wasnt that a 312 V8? or did you just make a typo? IIRC those valve covers were golden colored.
We had a few cars I dodnt remember but the first memoralble 1 we had was a 68 wildcat with the 430 rocket motor.
Oh and Wide I remember those GLHS's my brother inlaw had 1,yup blew the head gasket a couple times,he also had a Feugo{sp} by Renault...... :rolleyes: Worse peice of junk I've ever seen.
:salute
i think you're right about the 312........
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Speakin of memories and soul ..
..I bought a '67 GTX, 426 Hemi, 4-gear w/4.10 Dana in the back ..headers were on it when I bought it,
paid 2700 for it, had 20k miles on it, was 2 years old, beautiful copper metallic and cragar S/S's all around.
I was 19, it was the summer of 1969, cruisin Central after a week workin on the Survey crew out of town ..
I remember spendin 10 bucks for gas for an evening of cruisin, at 25 cents a gallon.
I remember averaging 4mpg after I got the tunnel ram and cam setup.
I drove the car for two weeks before finding out the gas pedal had a soft 'stop'
..you had to push it past it to get all eight barrels open on the two fours up front (mechanical secondaries)
And I thought it was 'zippy' *then* .. man it would fry those bias plies in back in a hearbeat in any forward gear!
Best I could do was a set of Firestone 'cheater' slicks ..9" wide max,
..had to ease it out in first at 2500rpm and no way could I just floor it when she hooked..
..the small block vette's/55's would get a car on me in first ..I'd jam second and ease the gas to the floor and she would come alive just blowing by them as I hit 3rd.
The roar .. that Hemi sounded like it was gonna suck the sky down when it was wide open, deep gutsy exhaust note echoing off buildings behind me.
Ya .. -shakes head- .. it ruined me for life.
I can imagine a lot of young guys an ladies gettin that same experience with the latest crop of cars available.
Fast is back.
All I can say is, about frikkin time.
..I remember the late '70's-80's
Was a long gray dry spell
..when the ten year old beaters would smoke any new car so bad it was laughable.
I had a blast with my '64 Malibu that I had stuffed a 427 L-88 in ,.,.it was even more 'zippy' than that GTX.
It's what made me smile in the early '70's when I drove it to work an back :)
And so on .. fun times.
Nowadays, grabbin second for the eekie off a lite and hearin that LS-1 wind up makin beautiful music .. yaa ..
I still smile ..and wave to the others doin the same ..camaro, stang, challenger ..it's all good :)
-Frank aka GE
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ya know? you mentioned waving to other hot rodders.
i've been noticing lately, that when i'm in the gt.....i get that jeep wave from other gt drivers.
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Blah blah blah, awesome cars, blah blah blah...
I hate you. :rofl :aok
Those are some seriously sweet rides... :cheers:
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ya know? you mentioned waving to other hot rodders.
i've been noticing lately, that when i'm in the gt.....i get that jeep wave from other gt drivers.
I always wave to other GT drivers. Most wave back.
I wave to anyone I see driving what I consider a neat car.
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I always wave to other GT drivers. Most wave back.
I wave to anyone I see driving what I consider a neat car.
your avatar scares me. :neener: :noid
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muw6pqzk_c&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6muw6pqzk_c&feature=relmfu)
19min film
Blue Devil vs Blue Angel :devil