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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Widewing on March 13, 2012, 11:33:57 PM
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Considering that the P-63A was really a mid-war fighter (1943), it would offer fearsome low to medium altitude performance that would be great fun in Aces High... Check out this chart. The La-7 will have met its match. 384 mph at sea level with water injection.... Add to that a 5,000 fpm climb rate at sea level, 4,750 fpm at 5k... With a lower wing loading than the P-39Q, it should turn well too.
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-63/p-63chart-1400.jpg)
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+1 though I think we'll read comments about too many US birds.
I was at a museum in California and took a couple picks of this bird. I'll find them and post it. Seemed small, big gun in the front.
Boo
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Here's a chart for the P-39Q-30, and our P-39Q doesn't come close to the 410 mph at 10k as illustrated on this chart...
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-39/P-39Q-30-1400.jpg)
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Here's a chart for the P-39Q-25. A bit slower than the -30, but still much faster than the Aces High version... Hey HiTech, how about an upgrade based upon this data? Current performance is correct for the P-39Q-5, by the way....
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-39/p-39q-25-1400.jpg)
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I got some pictures of the only flying example in San Marcos
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/051.jpg)
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/047.jpg)
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/046.jpg[/img
[img]http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/048.jpg)
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Wait...
those charts say, the P39 Q-25 was drastically different from the AH version, like 25-30mph faster (!)
Im not a fan of this bird, but if it would be faster, it might be more popular in the MA, bringing some variety to the spit16/la7/ponyD world.
So i think it would be a good idea to change it from the Q-5 to the Q25/30, as we already have an early war, much slower P39, the D model.
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384 mph at sea level with water injection.... Add to that a 5,000 fpm climb rate at sea level
Really...the kingcobra is really king! :O
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interesting! later P39 versions would be a good start :aok
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A perked plane for sure. But then Axis need either a G.55 or a Do-335 or even a He-162. A guy can dream can't he? :)
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A perked plane for sure. But then Axis need either a G.55 or a Do-335 or even a He-162. A guy can dream can't he? :)
Why? If the P-63 were added the Axis would not need anything. The P-63 would be balanced by the P-63 on the other side.
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G.55 isn't overwhelming in any situation except firepower, with 3x 20mm MG151's and a pair of breta 50 cals.
Otherwise its simply a decent mid/late war ride that's not special in any sense.
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G.55 isn't overwhelming in any situation except firepower, with 3x 20mm MG151's and a pair of breta 50 cals.
Otherwise its simply a decent mid/late war ride that's not special in any sense.
Yes but the G.55 is so sexy, which is more than you can say for any p-39/63.
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Why? If the P-63 were added the Axis would not need anything. The P-63 would be balanced by the P-63 on the other side.
Because We have enoug American planes for now.
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Because We have enoug American planes for now.
Americans didn't fly this one. Not to combat that is.
It is a Russian plane made in America.
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Because We have enoug American planes for now.
That has nothing to do with stating that if x side gets a plane then y side will need one too.
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Personally I don't want to see the P-63 because, if the numbers are accurate, it will simply be another plane that people run away in.
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That has nothing to do with stating that if x side gets a plane then y side will need one too.
All hail Karnak! All hail Karnak! All hail Karnak!
Seriously, I'm all up for more planes, and it has EVERYTHING to do with "if x side gets a plane then y side will need one too". If the Axis get one, then the Allies can get a new one after, if the Allies can get one, then the Axis can get a new one after.
:rolleyes:
Don't have to be a jerk and shuts everyone else's wish down if you don't like it.
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It doesn't follow. The Allies don't need the Meteor because the Axis have the Me262.
If you want the G.55, Do335 or He162, make a post requesting those, don't hijack a thread about the P-63 or suggest some false tit for tat requirements. Advocate for those on their own merits, not as an anti-P-63.
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That has nothing to do with stating that if x side gets a plane then y side will need one too.
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Personally I don't want to see the P-63 because, if the numbers are accurate, it will simply be another plane that people run away in.
Wouldnt that mean it's also another plane to chase the people that run away then too? :)
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Wouldnt that mean it's also another plane to chase the people that run away then too? :)
Only for those who like it. For me it is just another plane that will run from me, or one that will hold all the performance cards over mine.
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I got some pictures of the only flying example in San Marcos
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/051.jpg)
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/047.jpg)
(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/046.jpg[/img[img]http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz138/dcwdavid/048.jpg)
Actually there are other flyers out there. At least two that I can think of. And the one in the photos hasn't flown in a bit as they've been working on it, but it's close to flying again. The nicest one was restored for former Astronaut Frank Boreman. He has since sold it, but it was as stock as you could take it and an absolutely beautiful restoration. Planes of Fame has one also in Arizona I believe.
There are some others that will hopefully be restored in time also, including some recovered from the Kurile Isles. First warbird I ever saw fly was a racing P-63 "Tipsy Miss" that has since been destroyed in a crash. The 63 is a beautiful bird. It wouldn't be top of my AH list, but I wouldn't argue if it showed up :)
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Actually there are other flyers out there. At least two that I can think of. And the one in the photos hasn't flown in a bit as they've been working on it, but it's close to flying again. The nicest one was restored for former Astronaut Frank Boreman. He has since sold it, but it was as stock as you could take it and an absolutely beautiful restoration. Planes of Fame has one also in Arizona I believe.
There are some others that will hopefully be restored in time also, including some recovered from the Kurile Isles. First warbird I ever saw fly was a racing P-63 "Tipsy Miss" that has since been destroyed in a crash. The 63 is a beautiful bird. It wouldn't be top of my AH list, but I wouldn't argue if it showed up :)
I think it's flying now, or it will be very shortly. It is scheduled to be at an airshow on April 14th.
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They also have a P39 that they are working on too. It hit some approach lights and did some pretty major damage. The B25 "Yellow Rose" is out of the same squadron, and I think they finally got the engine gremlins worked out.
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Que Sgt pappy and karnak with the negativity.
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I know that you are most likely not wishing for this, but the chances of it being accepted is very nil. It saw either VERY VERY limited combat or none at all. Some say it was deployed in Soviet Russia, but never used. Other people believe that it was used in Manchuria, even if it was used in Manchuria it would be very slim; could be false.
Here's a source that I have found, giving credit for ONE Japanese aircraft shot down.
http://www.americancombatplanes.com/p63_1.html
All this production and delivery effort resulted in the destruction of only one Axis plane, a Japanese fighter shot down during the invasion of Manchuria.
You can find that in ¶ Eleven.
Anyhow their are many many topics created for this specific plane, almost fifteen. Before you post you should gather information on past posts, I'm not backseat modding or anything but I hope you absorb my constructive criticism through osmosis.
Now this is from Wikipedia on the topic of the P-63 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra).
I don't trust Wikipedia, but they're usually right about the models, if I were you I'd wish for the P-39K it has around 125 more HP than the normal models, I'm not sure of it's operational history though. Also I think since they tried to complete the P-40 line they definitely should complete the P-39s.
-FMJ
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I know that you are most likely not wishing for this, but the chances of it being accepted is very nil. It saw either VERY VERY limited combat or none at all. Some say it was deployed in Soviet Russia, but never used. Other people believe that it was used in Manchuria, even if it was used in Manchuria it would be very slim; could be false.
Here's a source that I have found, giving credit for ONE Japanese aircraft shot down.
http://www.americancombatplanes.com/p63_1.html
You can find that in ¶ Eleven.
Anyhow their are many many topics created for this specific plane, almost fifteen. Before you post you should gather information on past posts, I'm not backseat modding or anything but I hope you absorb my constructive criticism through osmosis.
Now this is from Wikipedia on the topic of the P-63 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra).
I don't trust Wikipedia, but they're usually right about the models, if I were you I'd wish for the P-39K it has around 125 more HP than the normal models, I'm not sure of it's operational history though. Also I think since they tried to complete the P-40 line they definitely should complete the P-39s.
-FMJ
I'm begining to like this guy, haha. Catch catchy.
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I know that you are most likely not wishing for this, but the chances of it being accepted is very nil. It saw either VERY VERY limited combat or none at all. Some say it was deployed in Soviet Russia, but never used. Other people believe that it was used in Manchuria, even if it was used in Manchuria it would be very slim; could be false.
Here's a source that I have found, giving credit for ONE Japanese aircraft shot down.
http://www.americancombatplanes.com/p63_1.html
You can find that in ¶ Eleven.
Anyhow their are many many topics created for this specific plane, almost fifteen. Before you post you should gather information on past posts, I'm not backseat modding or anything but I hope you absorb my constructive criticism through osmosis.
-FMJ
No more than (and probably less than) 43 Ta 152H types were built. They attained 5 kills, maybe 7 for 4 losses. It's in the game.
Over 2,000 P-63s were in Soviet squadron service by war's end, and saw combat against Japan in the last weeks of the war. Several former Soviet officers have claimed that the P-63A was evaluated in combat on the eastern front against the Luftwaffe. Some former Luftwaffe pilots report encountering a new model of the P-39 in late 1944 with remarkable performance.
The P-63 more than meets the requirements for inclusion. Whether or not it gets into the game would be based upon other factors.
As to the P-39... I'd take the P-39Q-30 over the P-39K-1 any day. Besides, more P-39Q-30s were built than the K model (399 vs 210), making it a more common variant.
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Yes but the G.55 is so sexy, which is more than you can say for any p-39/63.
Come onnnnn lol it's sexy in its own way. Especially the white scheme for the D :joystick:
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I think the problem with the Soviet Manchurian campaign of August 45 is that it was such a massive walkover thru Northern China and then along the Kurile Islands that (plus it's just not mentioned in "western history") that we some how don't count it as part of WWII.
Japanese air born defence was not in evidence so the VVS just ground pounded a path for the Soviet Army. P63's were there in some force ( with Il-10's and Tu-2's) but did not meet any airborne opposition until they threatened the Japanese North Island.
It would only be fitting that the P63 entered game in VVS colours.
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It would only be fitting that the P63 entered game in VVS colours.
Absolutely!
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I'd go so far as to say that if the P-63 were added to AH it should only be in Russian colors.
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The scarce Soviet planeset already has two "very late in the war" fighters. It is the early/mid war part which is missing/needs to be fleshed out badly.
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Yak7b and Mig3 would be cool.
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"Pinball" operations
Its main use in American service was the unusual one of a manned flying target for gunnery practice.[16] The aircraft was generally painted bright orange to increase its visibility. All armament and the regular armor was removed from these RP-63 aircraft, and over a ton of armored sheet metal was applied to the aircraft. This was fitted with sensors that would detect hits, and these hits were signaled by illuminating a light in the propeller hub where the cannon would have been. This earned the aircraft the unofficial nickname of Pinball.[16] Special frangible rounds made of a lead/bakelite combination were developed that would disintegrate upon impact.[16] These were known as the "Cartridge, Caliber .30, Frangible, Ball, M22." Ivan L. Hickman, a veteran Pinball pilot, eventually authored Operation Pinball in 1990.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r234/JohnMadDogKerr/RP-63GJUL76JOHNKERR.jpg)
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Yak7b and Mig3 would be cool.
Cool, but would generally end up as hanger queens.... Yak-3 and Pe-2 would see lots of use.
I'd still like to see a P-39Q-30 (in VVS or Free French colors) and someday, the P-63A.
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I don't think the Pe-2 would get much use. It is relatively fast, but it has a light bomb load, no bombsight (as far as I know) and very light guns. The Tu-2 would probably see a lot of use though.
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Cool, but would generally end up as hanger queens.... Yak-3 and Pe-2 would see lots of use.
I'd still like to see a P-39Q-30 (in VVS or Free French colors) and someday, the P-63A.
I'm curious how you would know this.
I've been flying them for years on another sim.
By your suggestions, we should only add late war cannon monsters that probably were never fielded at combat strength.
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no bombsight (as far as I know)
It has one.
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It has one.
I thought that was only on a early Pe-2s, but was found to be so inaccurate or difficult to use that it was removed and bombing was simply done by slope bombing.
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I tried to research the P-63 over Manchuria, I am drawing a blank.
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I'm curious how you would know this.
I've been flying them for years on another sim.
By your suggestions, we should only add late war cannon monsters that probably were never fielded at combat strength.
I suppose that playing Aces High for more than a decade leads me to draw conclusions based upon previous additions I've witnessed. The P-40B we had, was a hanger queen. Poor performance, and relatively lower firepower were the causes. The MiG-3 was a seriously under-gunned, evil handling, high altitude fighter that the Soviets dropped early in the war. The Yak-7 is a dog relative to the late war arena. It may do well enough in the mid-war arena, but it's no improvement over the Yak-9T. Both would get a fair amount of use for a week or two, and then become a rare sight in the late-war arena. The C.202 is a better performer that either the MiG or the Yak at the altitudes we fly at, and it's basically a hanger queen.
The Yak-3 was very common on the east front from 1944 on.... The Pe-2 saw even more usage, and it's certainly not a "late war cannon monster". The Yak-3, while no better armed than the -9U, will offer better maneuverability and climb. The Pe-2, while lightly armed in terms of guns, can carry 1,600 kilos of bombs and would see a lot of use killing armor, ala the A-20G.
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The C.202 is a better performer that either the MiG or the Yak at the altitudes we fly at, and it's basically a hanger queen.
Hey!
- oldman
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Pe-2's glass nose gives the pilot a good view of target. It was (unlike the Il2) a pucker dive bomber... I would see it used in attack role very much as our A20 is.
Earlier versions had dive brakes.
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Widewing.......I've been flying most every plane mentioned in another sim for a decade.
They aren't hanger queens there.
It seems your only qualifier for a plane is that it must dominate the late war arena.
There are many other arenas in aces high and I would not have trouble beating most with these so called hanger queens.
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Considering that the P-63A was really a mid-war fighter (1943), it would offer fearsome low to medium altitude performance that would be great fun in Aces High... Check out this chart. The La-7 will have met its match. 384 mph at sea level with water injection.... Add to that a 5,000 fpm climb rate at sea level, 4,750 fpm at 5k... With a lower wing loading than the P-39Q, it should turn well too.
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/P-63/p-63chart-1400.jpg)
Widewing - what is Max CL for the P-63 laminar flow wing?
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It seems your only qualifier for a plane is that it must dominate the late war arena.
In fairness to Widewing, voting over the past few years has convinced many of us that the majority of AH players are not interested in new planes which would not be competitive with the 1945 plane set.
- oldman
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I don't think the Pe-2 would get much use. It is relatively fast, but it has a light bomb load, no bombsight (as far as I know) and very light guns. The Tu-2 would probably see a lot of use though.
+ 1 for the Tu2
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I suppose that playing Aces High for more than a decade leads me to draw conclusions based upon previous additions I've witnessed. The P-40B we had, was a hanger queen. Poor performance, and relatively lower firepower were the causes. The MiG-3 was a seriously under-gunned, evil handling, high altitude fighter that the Soviets dropped early in the war. The Yak-7 is a dog relative to the late war arena. It may do well enough in the mid-war arena, but it's no improvement over the Yak-9T. Both would get a fair amount of use for a week or two, and then become a rare sight in the late-war arena. The C.202 is a better performer that either the MiG or the Yak at the altitudes we fly at, and it's basically a hanger queen.
If the purpose is only to cater for the late war arena, then the above is largely true. It it also true that late war arena is the bread and butter of AH but adding aircraft that would only be competitive in there would make a very short list when talking about single engined fighters. And from my point of view that list would be rather boring. The earlier Soviet aircraft have enormous amounts of scenario/special events potential.
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Widewing - what is Max CL for the P-63 laminar flow wing?
According to Dean, same as the FM-2 at 2.38
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:aok Where ever King Kobras fly, Lgay 7s die! :rock
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Widewing.......I've been flying most every plane mentioned in another sim for a decade.
They aren't hanger queens there.
It seems your only qualifier for a plane is that it must dominate the late war arena.
There are many other arenas in aces high and I would not have trouble beating most with these so called hanger queens.
One of my qualifiers is that I feel that the game would best served if HTC were to expend their limited resources on something that gets used with some frequency. It doesn't have to late war, just viable. P-38H, P-51A, F4F-3, Pe-2, and G55 would all get a lot of use, and none date later than early 1943. In the late war arena, how many G4Ms do we see? How frequently do you run into a Spit Mk.I? Inasmuch as the vast majority fly in this arena, it makes good business sense to focus on aircraft that are at least viable in that environment. Thus we see the Me 410 and Yak-3 garnering the most votes.
This isn't another sim.... This is Aces High. In a dumbed down flight model (as found in some other sims), there's little difference between aircraft beyond speed and climb. Here, HiTech and Pyro strive to have flight physics that are accurate to the actual aircraft. The MiG-3 was simply a lousy aircraft. The Yak-7 was adequate at best, and that's what we'll get. Good for scenarios? Sure, if you convince someone to fly them against 109s.
As to that last line... "I would not have trouble beating most with these so called hanger queens."
Define "most". Most aircraft? Most pilots? Combination? Seriously, there are many early and mid war fighters that are equal or even markedly superior to either the MiG or Yak.
I'll take a similar vintage 109F-4 or 109G-2, and you can have your MiG or Yak. I promise you, you'll be in and out of the tower so often HTC will need create a revolving door graphic for you.....
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If it is not LW competitive plane, it better be very useful in scenarios. P-63 will be great in the LW, but useless in scenarios, events etc. Mig3/7 will be poor in the LW and in very low demand for scenarios. The Russian front is not very attractive to most players (I dare say "least" attractive) and coupled with lousy planes will make empty events.
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Ju-88G
Ju-87G
He-111 (both EW and LW variants)
Ju-188
Judy J4D
Ki-43
Ki-100
H8K
Beaufighter
Wellington
A-26
Sea Hurricane
G55
He-162
To add to Widewings list of planes that'll see both LW use and scenarios. Wellington and Sea Hurricane maybe not so much but the Wellington might serve as a nice perk farmer in the MA. Ju-88G will probably see as much action as a Mossie or 110G (limited but still in decent numbers). A-26, G55, and He-162 will have to be perked, (10, 15, 50 respectively). The H8K will have to be only available from land until the water gets reworked and flying boats can land on water, definitely going to be a major MA plane with the amount of ords and defensive armament it carries.
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Because We have enoug American planes for now.
What, you have an "enough" chart or something?
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This isn't another sim.... This is Aces High. In a dumbed down flight model (as found in some other sims), there's little difference between aircraft beyond speed and climb.
Lets dumb it down further by including planes that never flew in combat.
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In fairness to Widewing, voting over the past few years has convinced many of us that the majority of AH players are not interested in new planes which would not be competitive with the 1945 plane set.
- oldman
This is one thing I am happy about. I really don't want a 1945 exclusive war for aces high, few like myself enjoy the raw challenge of taking up a 41-42 era aircraft and taming the late war monsters. Typically most run away, however you generally catch a vet and the fights can be quite good.
Not many of us left that enjoy that challenge, base hording and such is taking over. I myself enjoy the C.205 and C.202 just because of the challenge it takes to fly it, let alone actually gun (so few sorties, my aim is terrible)
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Ju-88G
Ju-87G
He-111 (both EW and LW variants)
Ju-188
Judy J4D
Ki-43
Ki-100
H8K
Beaufighter
Wellington
A-26
Sea Hurricane
G55
He-162
To add to Widewings list of planes that'll see both LW use and scenarios. Wellington and Sea Hurricane maybe not so much but the Wellington might serve as a nice perk farmer in the MA. Ju-88G will probably see as much action as a Mossie or 110G (limited but still in decent numbers). A-26, G55, and He-162 will have to be perked, (10, 15, 50 respectively). The H8K will have to be only available from land until the water gets reworked and flying boats can land on water, definitely going to be a major MA plane with the amount of ords and defensive armament it carries.
The only perk worthy A/C would be the 162 and only because of it's speed,the A26 and G55 would need no perk cost as neither A/C would warrant a perk cost.
A26's performance falls off rapidly above 15k and it's top speed of 350ish isn't going to help it.As for the G55,it would need a perk as much as the G14 does!
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PS: Ice,I wouldn't challenge widewing on A/c knowledge or piloting skill as most would end up on the short end of the stick!
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What, you have an "enough" chart or something?
I rather see a balance of planes on all countries than a lopsided plane set.
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Lets dumb it down further by including planes that never flew in combat.
I'm curious to what you mean by this statement,AH doesn't dumb down anything,they strive to develope the most high fidelity FM in the gaming world. Now if you were refering to adding the P63,you cant difintively say it never saw combat,first you'd have to define what combat is.
There are reports of the P63 operating in the US and shooting doen a ballon bomb,also there is the incedent in Manchuria where a Russian P63 supposedly shot down a Japaneese A/C.
Undoubtedly the Russian operated them in the east and just because they didn't have much opposition doesn't mean it wasn't in combat or a combat zone.
Personally I'd like to see the P63 added at some point,however there are many other A/C I'd rather see first. Ki 43 comes to mind as does the Pe2/Tu2.
YMMV.
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The only perk worthy A/C would be the 162 and only because of it's speed,the A26 and G55 would need no perk cost as neither A/C would warrant a perk cost.
A26's performance falls off rapidly above 15k and it's top speed of 350ish isn't going to help it.As for the G55,it would need a perk as much as the G14 does!
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PS: Ice,I wouldn't challenge widewing on A/c knowledge or piloting skill as most would end up on the short end of the stick!
But if the A26 wasn't perked, why take the A20 at all? Is there a weakness that I don't know about? (that might sound ignorant if you read it the wrong way, just letting you know it's not :))
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Ju-88G
Ju-87G
He-111 (both EW and LW variants)
Ju-188
Judy J4D
Ki-43
Ki-100
H8K
Beaufighter
Wellington
A-26
Sea Hurricane
G55
He-162
Not sure how much use the Wellington, Beaufighter, He111, Ki-43 or Sea Hurricane would see. Others would likely see decent usage.
Add to them:
Do217E
B7A2 Ryusei 'Grace'
Firefly Mk I
He177A-5
Il-10
J2M3 or J2M5 Raiden 'Jack'
Ki-44-II Shoki 'Tojo'
Ki-102 'Randy'
Meteor Mk III
P-61B Blackwidow
P.108
P1Y1 Ginga 'Frances'
Re2005
Tu-2
SB2C Helldiver
Yak-3
The A-26, He162, Meteor Mk III and P-61B would all be perk aircraft. The A-26 and P-61B would need to be perked due to how capable they are in the air to mud aspect, though I doubt the perks would be much, 5-10 maybe. The He162 and Meteor Mk III would see far higher perk prices for obvious reasons.
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I'm curious to what you mean by this statement,AH doesn't dumb down anything,they strive to develope the most high fidelity FM in the gaming world. Now if you were refering to adding the P63,you cant difintively say it never saw combat,first you'd have to define what combat is.
There are reports of the P63 operating in the US and shooting doen a ballon bomb,also there is the incedent in Manchuria where a Russian P63 supposedly shot down a Japaneese A/C.
Undoubtedly the Russian operated them in the east and just because they didn't have much opposition doesn't mean it wasn't in combat or a combat zone.
Personally I'd like to see the P63 added at some point,however there are many other A/C I'd rather see first. Ki 43 comes to mind as does the Pe2/Tu2.
YMMV.
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It's a response to widewing's quip two posts above mine. The quote function somehow did not take.
He said the sim was already dumbed down so why not add airplanes that never saw combat.
If it takes years of research to find a single reference that might confirm a plane saw combat (and is most likely wrong), then I don't think that is enough.
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It's a response to widewing's quip two posts above mine. The quote function somehow did not take.
He said the sim was already dumbed down so why not add airplanes that never saw combat.
If it takes years of research to find a single reference that might confirm a plane saw combat (and is most likely wrong), then I don't think that is enough.
Go back and read what I wrote again... The flight physics of Aces High is not dumbed down whatsoever. It's easily the best of the lot.
As to the use of the P-63 in Soviet service, it doesn't take much more that a few minutes to find information.
Try this.... http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/George_Mellinger/soviet_order_of_battle.htm (http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/George_Mellinger/soviet_order_of_battle.htm)
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Not sure how much use the Wellington, Beaufighter, He111, Ki-43 or Sea Hurricane would see. Others would likely see decent usage.
Add to them:
Do217E
B7A2 Ryusei 'Grace'
Firefly Mk I
He177A-5
Il-10
J2M3 or J2M5 Raiden 'Jack'
Ki-44-II Shoki 'Tojo'
Ki-102 'Randy'
Meteor Mk III
P-61B Blackwidow
P.108
P1Y1 Ginga 'Frances'
Re2005
Tu-2
SB2C Helldiver
Yak-3
The A-26, He162, Meteor Mk III and P-61B would all be perk aircraft. The A-26 and P-61B would need to be perked due to how capable they are in the air to mud aspect, though I doubt the perks would be much, 5-10 maybe. The He162 and Meteor Mk III would see far higher perk prices for obvious reasons.
Pretty nice list, only aircraft I can think I want to add is the G.55 for Italy. The Re2005 is another aircraft i'm quite fond of, nothing special but it does the job for a fighter.
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Pretty nice list, only aircraft I can think I want to add is the G.55 for Italy. The Re2005 is another aircraft i'm quite fond of, nothing special but it does the job for a fighter.
G.55 was on titanic3's list that I was adding to.