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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mthrockmor on March 22, 2012, 06:30:48 AM
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The origin of this thread comes from another thread title "Hymi" which almost immediately gets into bashing the Spit 16.
Why is there such animosity towards the Spitfire? I just don't get it. I see why few want to fly the Spit14. Fast, turns pretty good though has a big target on its back. Sticks get about as excited to kill a Spit14 as they do a 110, -38, Mossi or TBM.
I rarely fly the Spit though when I do its the Spit16. Great speed, solid zoom and will outturn most of the planes in the game. If I really want to get jiggy I will up a pink Spit9. Doesn't have the power of the 16 but good enough and turns better. In all cases it loses out in range, with the exception of the Spit8. When I see a Spit8 I know I have to change up the game a bit. If I get in trouble with all other Spits I can dive out and reset, not so with the Spit8, which with those wingtanks can dive with most birds for a bit.
Historically the Spitfire was one of the best overall right up to the point the airwar shifted into a range game. Once long range was required the Spitfire became a backwater bird.
The only harm I see for new pilots flying the Spit is that it turns well enough they are slow in learning the real ACM game. They don't undertstand setup, positioning or maintaining E state. Some of our very best pilots ingame are Spit dweebs.
In any case, I don't get it. Much respect for the Spit and <S> those who choose to fly them.
Flame-on!!
Boo
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regular spits are ok, you can work them in the high speed range and eventually reverse them or get away from them.
the spit16 got shorter wings and then magically becomes like a 190 that can turn on the dime, dives forever at mach1, rolls like crazy, and doesn't suffer from high speed manoeuvres.
It has no weak point except its speed that is just good, and range which is about decent. I should be perked, even the spit14 is not that good.
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It is a greaat bird, I think most people would agree with me when I say that it is more annoying when a good stick hops in one because unless your in almost the same caliber of ride (LA7, Hog, KI84, 109) the fight is going to be quick and result in not more of the stick jerking, sweaty palm adrenaline rushing fights most would have in a fight between a 109 and P38 or 152 and P51D at Alt.
:salute
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Spits as a plane are fine, easy kills most of the time. But the way I see it, if you wanna be a really good pilot, fly another plane that is outclassed by the others, yet become good enough that you'll beat them anyway.
Eventually, you're going to run into a real good pilot in Spit16s (few and far between) that'll kill nearly everything. But at this point, you yourself should be able to roll a spit16 yourself and have one hell of a fight with this guy.
I don't wanna sound like I'm bragging, but if I flew the spit16, 90% of AH wouldn't stand a chance.
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it is more annoying when a good stick hops in one
This. Spitfires are most excellent planes for newcomers. We also make allowances for our British compadres, for whom the Spitfire has almost mystical significance. But because the plane is so easy to fly, and has such fine performance and armament, competent pilots who fly them are viewed as sissies by many.
Hey, you asked!
- oldman
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I fly the Spit models and find they are good all around planes, not the best at anything, especially speed, but, when flown right, they are unmatched. I mix it up, from energy fighting to vertical fights and slow turn fighting, depending on the situation. The other drawback is the fuel loads are small.
Spitfire...NOT a dweeb plane. LA7...BIG dweeb plane.
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Spits as a plane are fine, easy kills most of the time. But the way I see it, if you wanna be a really good pilot, fly another plane that is outclassed by the others, yet become good enough that you'll beat them anyway.
Eventually, you're going to run into a real good pilot in Spit16s (few and far between) that'll kill nearly everything. But at this point, you yourself should be able to roll a spit16 yourself and have one hell of a fight with this guy.
I don't wanna sound like I'm bragging, but if I flew the spit16, 90% of AH wouldn't stand a chance.
I consider myself one of the best in the Spitfire. It took a lot of time for me to settle on a favorate fighter, and the Spit is it. I also enjoy the 51, the American Spitfire. :)
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it is more annoying when a good stick hops in one
+1
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I consider myself one of the best in the Spitfire.
Wow!
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Wow!
haha +1
Btw there are no dweeb planes, only dweeb pilots.
I dont mind getting outflown by a spit, if he is "fighting". If he won, he deserved it.
Edit: for example, Midway. While i pretty much cant stand his "licky-licky" behaviour, i like the way he is flying, except the ho. He isnt hoing as much nowadays tho.
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I would argue that because the Spitfire can do everything well the pilot learns much more advanced ACM.
Things that stubborn pilots who refuse to embrace the beauty of it WILL not know and they are only worse off because of it. I have fought many sticks in "their" rides and they have done better against me in the spit than the plane I don't even know how to get the most out of. One of my main areas of weakness is when people look to energy fight me from the start of a duel and relying on me and my aggressive stance to rope myself. This is the inner Spitfire pilot wanting to break out and finish you and the only negative of flying them that I can agree with.
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The spit is extremely forgiving. It is a great bird to put a new pilot in. It will give him confidence and allow him to stay in the air long enough learn ACM.
We used them in H2H for the new pilots just for that reason. For folks with some experience I see it handicapping them. The longer you stay in a spit the harder it will be to move to most any other bird. You'll develope bad habits that the spit will cover but other planes will not.
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The longer you stay in a spit the harder it will be to move to most any other bird. You'll develope bad habits that the spit will cover but other planes will not.
why am I thinking "Midway"?
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It's not that "we" are stubborn and refuse to fly it because it's "dweeb, *I* refuse to fly spits because I want to challenge myself in a more outclassed plane. For example, I fly the K4, it can't outturn the spit and the gun package is much harder compared to the Spit. Its only real strength over the spit are scissors and E fighting. I'll play to the K4's strengths and exploit the Spit's weakness.
If I had flown a spit, I could've just pull any move and get a kill. It just doesn't feel "rewarding".
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The spit is extremely forgiving. It is a great bird to put a new pilot in. It will give him confidence and allow him to stay in the air long enough learn ACM.
We used them in H2H for the new pilots just for that reason. For folks with some experience I see it handicapping them. The longer you stay in a spit the harder it will be to move to most any other bird. You'll develope bad habits that the spit will cover but other planes will not.
For being so "forgiving", it seems to take little damage to kill it. Therefore a great aeroplane to try and survive in, in order to land = Skill required, especially SA. :aok
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The spit is extremely forgiving. It is a great bird to put a new pilot in. It will give him confidence and allow him to stay in the air long enough learn ACM.
This, and I would even argue that it impedes pilots to learn ACMs as its forgiving nature allows them to make all kinds of mistakes and still win.
For being so "forgiving", it seems to take little damage to kill it. Therefore a great aeroplane to try and survive in, in order to land = Skill required, especially SA. :aok
most of the non-american rides are 'soft'. Try a zero, learn 'soft'.
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It's basically the most user-friendly plane in the game.
I believe it can help people when they're new for the reasons listed above, as well as the fact that they have to spend less time and attention fighting with their plane, and therefore are able to spend more time and attention fighting the enemy.
To a certain degree I agree with the 'it gets you into bad habits' crowd once you've reached a certain level of capability.
I think what bugs people about it is when an average pilot gets into it, it ups their game significantly. Mistakes that would cost them the fight in most other aircraft are only minor setbacks, and you can do some things you just can't do in other aircraft.
Its downside is its fragility, but to me that's not much of a downside because my philosophy on fighting in this game is if you're depending on your plane's ability to take damage to survive, you're getting hit way too much. Buffkilling is the exception to that rule.
Wiley.
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I consider myself one of the best in the Spitfire. It took a lot of time for me to settle on a favorate fighter, and the Spit is it. I also enjoy the 51, the American Spitfire. :)
:rofl :rofl
really now.....well we should test that out :aok
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I would argue that because the Spitfire can do everything well the pilot learns much more advanced ACM.
I disagree.
In a spit16, you can follow many different tactics and still win. Yes midway, its extremely forgiving.
Look, im a noob, as we all know. Still, about a year ago, when i learned some tricks (tailwhip, hammerhead etc), the spit pilots were just wondering what i was doing. I improved since then, but still dont know anything.
Most of the spit pilots just do flat circles and think they own while the plane is working instead of them.
They dont need rudder, nor flaps, nor throttle management, just pull the stick back and you win.
If you wanna learn ACM, fly a ki84, 109F, whatever. You can get the same results, but you MUST be "working", also "thinking" to be effective. They help you to learn how to use your whole plane.
Then, if you hop back to the spit, do the same moves, using all your control surfaces, you will feel like an unbeatable god.
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It's not that "we" are stubborn and refuse to fly it because it's "dweeb, *I* refuse to fly spits because I want to challenge myself in a more outclassed plane. For example, I fly the K4, it can't outturn the spit and the gun package is much harder compared to the Spit. Its only real strength over the spit are scissors and E fighting. I'll play to the K4's strengths and exploit the Spit's weakness.
If I had flown a spit, I could've just pull any move and get a kill. It just doesn't feel "rewarding".
I consider the K-4 far more forgiving than a Spitfire Mark IX, say, when pushed to its limits.
Not specifically directed at you titanic3, but I could restructure your argument to say that the only disadvantage the K-4 has would be the poor sustained turn rate and poorer energy retention, everything else, climb rate, vertical stability, deceleration, armament and docility of handling at the stall is in the K-4's favour. So stated and knowing these attributes well, then the argument that you are challenging yourself is less valid don't you think?
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I consider the K-4 far more forgiving than a Spitfire Mark IX, say, when pushed to its limits.
Not specifically directed at you titanic3, but I could restructure your argument to say that the only disadvantage the K-4 has would be the poor sustained turn rate and poorer energy retention, everything else, climb rate, vertical stability, deceleration, armament and docility of handling at the stall is in the K-4's favour. So stated and knowing these attributes well, then the argument that you are challenging yourself is less valid don't you think?
I agree the K4 is one of the top 10 fighters, but unlike most Spit pilots, I don't restrict myself to just the K4 like they restrict themselves to just the Spits. I'll fly Ki84s, Ki61s, G14s, P47s, and recently the 190A5. All of which have major weaknesses besides the Ki84.
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I consider the K-4 far more forgiving than a Spitfire Mark IX, say, when pushed to its limits.
how many hours have you and I dueled in that thing (g14 too) in the past?
I bet that if you took most players and threw them in a k4, they would struggle like all hell once the fight got slow. It takes significantly more 'effort' and management to be effective in it. But yes, once one know how to fly it, it is very forgiving, but that's more to do with 'training' vs the spit, you can throw anyone in it, and they will achieve some success in it.
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Well perhaps the discussion does not translate well between layers of experience, but if you duel Spitfires with certain members of The Few for example then you begin to see how tough a mistress the Spitfire can be. At this level it is harder to fly very well not less.
Regarding the late model 109s I agree you either have to have a good command of energy fighting or a very good command of ACM to reach a minimum level of survivability, however for a quick comparison, stand a Bf109K-4 or G-14 on its tail and slowly reduce to zero power, then repeat that in both a Spitfire Mark IX and the Nakajima.
I think the discussion reduces down to public perception and it doesn't take much to show how prejudicial that can be. I think it isn't the plane you fly so much as the way you fly it.
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:rofl :rofl
really now.....well we should test that out :aok
Let's get ready to Rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Let's get ready to Rumbleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
anytime :aok
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The Spit is a total dweeb plane, an utter embarrassment to fly. I should know!
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The Spit is a total dweeb plane, an utter embarrassment to fly. I should know!
Bah! You were superior in virtually any plane you flew (certainly in any plane I've seen you fly). Probably you should have been barred from flying any plane other than the FW 190A8 and the P 40B.
- oldman (hey, it would have given the rest of us a chance)
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Well perhaps the discussion does not translate well between layers of experience, but if you duel Spitfires with certain members of The Few for example then you begin to see how tough a mistress the Spitfire can be. At this level it is harder to fly very well not less.
I don't think what the top shelf dueling players can do in a plane really has much bearing on its strength or weakness in the main arena. How often do two high level guys wind up in a 1v1 duel in the Main? I think what the average players can do in it in a crowd is far more important.
Regarding the late model 109s I agree you either have to have a good command of energy fighting or a very good command of ACM to reach a minimum level of survivability, however for a quick comparison, stand a Bf109K-4 or G-14 on its tail and slowly reduce to zero power, then repeat that in both a Spitfire Mark IX and the Nakajima.
I've spent the last week or two flying the K4 almost exclusively, which is a long time for me to spend in one plane that isn't one of my main rides. It's taken me that long to get comfortable enough in it to start to be able to kill in a turn fight in it.
I have spent probably at most about 5% the amount of time in Spixteens that I've spent in just the K4 over the years. I've got enough touch in the K4 at this point to feel that I am not completely useless in it. Every time I up a Spixteen, I feel as though I can kill at will in it.
Obviously, if the pilot disparity is high enough they'll kill me in the spixteen, but against the average guy I run into in the MA, I feel I have a good chance of getting him, even though I'm not very familiar with the plane at all. That is its greatest strength, it's easy to kill a lot of people in without knowing the fine details of its behavior.
Wiley.
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Bah! You were superior in virtually any plane you flew (certainly in any plane I've seen you fly). Probably you should have been barred from flying any plane other than the FW 190A8 and the P 40B.
- oldman (hey, it would have given the rest of us a chance)
You got to see him live. All I have is a few films. You are a lucky oldman, lucky indeed. :cry
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Always loved the look of the real Spit in general. I play around in the 8
but the v is my true love.
" I consider myself one of the best in the Spitfire".
Guess he's not fought Bruv yet :rofl
:cheers: Oz
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I don't think what the top shelf dueling players can do in a plane really has much bearing on its strength or weakness in the main arena. How often do two high level guys wind up in a 1v1 duel in the Main? I think what the average players can do in it in a crowd is far more important.
The implication was that flying a Spitfire was lame. As to your point above in my experience in the MA the 'crowd' tends to attack an individual or an inferior 'crowd' and melt away if the converse is true, so with that context the lameness has far more to do with how you fly rather than what you fly.
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The spit is a well balanced plane that is hard to fly.
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It's mostly a dweeb plane because lots of "stars" get killed by it and get mad as their ego is better than their skills.
semp
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I was never the best pilot, but I was able to achieve more 'success' in a spit with less effort than in a k4. I can only base it on that.
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The implication was that flying a Spitfire was lame. As to your point above in my experience in the MA the 'crowd' tends to attack an individual or an inferior 'crowd' and melt away if the converse is true, so with that context the lameness has far more to do with how you fly rather than what you fly.
'Lame' is entirely subjective though. In my experience, people call something 'lame' if it frustrates them because in the situation they're in they don't have a counter for it.
If I'm working in a multi vs multi made up of various aircraft in say, a 190A5, starting with decent alt compared to my opponents, my opponents have quite a few options in how to deal with me, and I have relatively few things my aircraft does well. If I'm in the same situation in a spixteen, I have way more options at my disposal, and they have many fewer options in how to deal with me effectively.
Wiley.
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:old: Mitch! They can't take the Spitfires Mitch! They can't take them!
:salute RJ Mitchell :rock
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Spitfires are beautiful and amazing :old:
The Spit16 is the best Spitfire in AH :old:
It is a bit easy mode because it generates E so fast...I have been trying to learn to be effective in Corsairs which are the opposite of this :bhead maybe in a few more years when I am a decent pilot...
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'Lame' is entirely subjective though. In my experience, people call something 'lame' if it frustrates them because in the situation they're in they don't have a counter for it.
I entirely agree.
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Spitfires are beautiful and amazing :old:
The Spit16 is the best Spitfire in AH :old:
It is a bit easy mode because it generates E so fast...I have been trying to learn to be effective in Corsairs which are the opposite of this :bhead maybe in a few more years when I am a decent pilot...
And there are people who say the corsairs are easy mode too. :)
The thing with the corsair is, it's incredibly versatile if you're in a 1v1. It BnZs well and will stallfight with most of the planeset very well. The problem arises when you've killed your opponent, are near the deck at 150mph, and suddenly see another bandit fast and high and headed your way. :)
Wiley.
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Nothing wrong with spits. Some variants even require a small bit of work to get wheels up.
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The spit is a well balanced plane that is hard to fly.
What's this hook doing here? :noid
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What's this hook doing here? :noid
Spell checker on my Driod :D
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I hate spits because of the pilots that usually fly them and, more to the point, HOW they fly them.
Personally, I like a challenge. I usually avoid flying so called "uber rides." occasionally an LA7 for base defense but that's rare. I like the 38 because it's good, sexy and makes you work for a kill. I do fly spits, but I stick to the V or the seafire because they are so out classed that I have to work to in an MA furball situation.
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I don't think what the top shelf dueling players can do in a plane really has much bearing on its strength or weakness in the main arena. How often do two high level guys wind up in a 1v1 duel in the Main?
Wiley.
Oh it happens. Happened at least once last night. One guy was not in his normal ride but it was a perked tempest. :D
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If Wofat in Spit...you get die from a Spit. Plane small part. Pilot bigr part. :old:
Spit FUN two fly!
(plane name here) Dweeb = many pilot luv. We all luv game so it be.
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I suppose it's the popularity of the plane that bothers me, like the LA7.
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If Wofat in Spit...you get die from a Spit. Plane small part. Pilot bigr part. :old:
Spit FUN two fly!
(plane name here) Dweeb = many pilot luv. We all luv game so it be.
Some planes hardly require a pilot.
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Some planes hardly require a pilot.
If Wofat on you six ... you better bee perk plane for chance. Plane no save you too good.
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If Wofat on you six ... you better bee perk plane for chance. Plane no save you too good.
OK :D
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If Wofat in Spit...you get die from a Spit. Plane small part. Pilot bigr part. :old:
Spit FUN two fly!
(plane name here) Dweeb = many pilot luv. We all luv game so it be.
I love those who speak of their spitness in 3rd person....oddly dweebish in its own right and wreaks of drug addiction.
But here's the deal....Spits are great at nothing but good at everything and someone that knows them, slow and flaps down in a stall fight? The Flaps-down spit will get the angle much faster and more efficiently than just about any plane in the set....if you know her. If you don't, you'll fumble through a slow death. I suspect that is the case with every plane....if you know it and have it's muscle memory down, you're deadly in that one.
Oh, titanic, Im IN on your Royal Spitness
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Oh, titanic, Im IN on your Royal Spitness
I want your soul. :noid
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I suppose it's the popularity of the plane that bothers me, like the LA7.
In the last full tour the P-51D had more kills and deaths than the La-7 and Spitfire Mk XVI combined.
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In the last full tour the P-51D had more kills and deaths than the La-7 and Spitfire Mk XVI combined.
I reckon that's because the 51D carries 3000 lbs of ord and can catch most other planes as well as escape from bad situations. Because of that, you see alot of P51D raids......the vGuys are a good example of this.
Spitfires suffer from the same curse as the 51s. Too many people fly them because they're very forgiving, great vis, good guns and do alot of things very well. A player with limited skill can be reasonably successful against the average player.
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Spitfires suffer from the same curse as the 51s. Too many people fly them because they're very forgiving, great vis, good guns and do alot of things very well. A player with limited skill can be reasonably successful against the average player.
only if the player flying against the Spitfire is average too.
We could discuss this all day but when it comes down to it the pilot IMO makes up for 90% of the outcome. SA, Gunnery and aerial prowess. You need all three to be an ace!
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Spitfires suffer from the same curse as the 51s. Too many people fly them because they're very forgiving, great vis, good guns and do alot of things very well. A player with limited skill can be reasonably successful against the average player.
Isn't 'player with limited skill' the very definition of the 'average player'? I think that's the main reason people get so irate with spits. People are thinking 'He wouldn't have beaten me in my morally superior 109/p47/p38/whatever if he hadn't been in a spitfire.'
Wiley.
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only if the player flying against the Spitfire is average too.
We could discuss this all day but when it comes down to it the pilot IMO makes up for 90% of the outcome. SA, Gunnery and aerial prowess. You need all three to be an ace!
:old: :rock
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Isn't 'player with limited skill' the very definition of the 'average player'? I think that's the main reason people get so irate with spits. People are thinking 'He wouldn't have beaten me in my morally superior 109/p47/p38/whatever if he hadn't been in a spitfire.'
Wiley.
There's no doubt that the Spitfires are easier to fly then the 3 examples you mentioned..IMO.But it's goes back to what Bruv said. You have to fly smart against them, make your shots count when you have them and watch your arse all at the same time. Alot of guys will get caught up turning with them at the wrong time or catch one in the face when the spit reverses. Your best success against them is to not play into their hand. They are a good fight but I kill more spitfires then any other plane...have for a long time now. It just took me thousands of deaths to figure out what they could and couldn't do before I could bag them :lol
We could discuss this all day but when it comes down to it the pilot IMO makes up for 90% of the outcome. SA, Gunnery and aerial prowess. You need all three to be an ace!
That's it right there. I seen Grimm kill 3 51Ds above 15k one morning in his Hurri2C within about 2 minutes :lol
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That's it right there. I seen Grimm kill 3 51Ds above 15k one morning in his Hurri2C within about 2 minutes :lol
that's because 1vs1 the Hurri2C is the most deadly plane in the game. :aok
and the epitome of easy mode.
at 15 K its basically untouchable...that is if you know the plane.....the best fight I ever won was a 5vs1 me in Hurri2 against 51's and a 38.
and no not one HO :old:
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Yeah but everyone here would say the 51's and 38s are better then a Hurricane. And I would agree. The problem they had is they probably thought their planes would fill in the blanks where ACM lacked. That's a mistake that most spit and mustang drivers make i think.
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Yeah but everyone here would say the 51's and 38s are better then a Hurricane. And I would agree. The problem they had is they probably thought their planes would fill in the blanks where ACM lacked. That's a mistake that most spit and mustang drivers make i think.
I'll take on anyone in those planes in my Hurri :t
they are only better in the real world, for survival..... in this game the hurri2C will destroy them even if the sticks are great....
I know.... been there done that :aok
going ingame if there are any takers.....look for JETSOM he is back.
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I want your soul. :noid
You'll have to earn it and that will be a little tougher task than BBS typing, lol...I'll be on tonight. PM and me and you'll get your chance satan.
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You'll have to earn it and that will be a little tougher task than BBS typing, lol...I'll be on tonight. PM and me and you'll get your chance satan.
Changeup very very good in that Spitfire of his.... very very good indeed. Best watch out for him. :uhoh
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I love the spit
its beautiful , graceful and a joy to fly...
but you cant run from a fight, you have to stay and duke it out..if you get home you deserve it...and its fragile..its not that uber..( dont fly the 16 though)
its got an undeserved bad rep...
if you cant run and in a fragile plane..fightings your only option..with odds stacked against you..gotta love it...come get some..I`ll play !
Spit VIII rules
unashamed spit dweeb
<S> Jimmy
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I consider myself one of the best in the Spitfire. It took a lot of time for me to settle on a favorate fighter, and the Spit is it. I also enjoy the 51, the American Spitfire. :)
:rofl
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I love the spit
its beautiful , graceful and a joy to fly...
but you cant run from a fight, you have to stay and duke it out..if you get home you deserve it...and its fragile..its not that uber..( dont fly the 16 though)
its got an undeserved bad rep...
if you cant run and in a fragile plane..fightings your only option..with odds stacked against you..gotta love it...come get some..I`ll play !
Spit VIII rules
unashamed spit dweeb
<S> Jimmy
:old: :aok
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Flying the Spitfire is better than listening to Justin Biebler..............just sayin
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You'll have to earn it and that will be a little tougher task than BBS typing, lol...I'll be on tonight. PM and me and you'll get your chance satan.
in-game name?
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Hardest part of flying a spit is the gunnery.
It is easy. Recovers quickly if you make a mistake turns nicely does all things either good or ok.
If I have a friend who tries aces for the first time I tell him to fly a spit.
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in-game name?
Same as BBS name...if you're lucky, I'll even give you chance in the KI84
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If Wofat in Spit...you get die from a Spit. Plane small part. Pilot bigr part. :old:
Spit FUN two fly!
(plane name here) Dweeb = many pilot luv. We all luv game so it be.
Wofat only know truth! He graces us with his wisdom!
:cheers: Oz
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The spitfire is just a completely +1 in design over all the other prop driven fighters of the era.
Its spectrum of potential is much much greater as a dogfighter, and if you have watched bruv fight in it, you can see that plain as day.
Its easy to grow into, but hard to fill. It seems like a bit of a paradox at first, but its as simple as that. The design has everything to take fighting to the next level and that is why it seems easy for newbies to get kills in it.
Its not like someone who tries to fly a zero just to get the 1 up satisfaction of turning inside an opponent of American Iron, that is flying with intent, the spitfire doesn't have that, it just is and isn't apologetic about it.
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Same as BBS name...if you're lucky, I'll even give you chance in the KI84
oh pick me pick me :D
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i have to say hands down INK aka JETSOME is about the best ive seen flying that KI, i'm always leary when ever i encounter a Ki84.
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i have to say hands down INK aka JETSOME is about the best ive seen flying that KI, i'm always leary when ever i encounter a Ki84.
:o
if it don't have the deaths head on the tail it aint me....and you always put up a fight from what I remember :salute
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i have to say hands down INK aka JETSOME is about the best ive seen flying that KI, i'm always leary when ever i encounter a Ki84.
:old: Bruv is awesome in a KI84.
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:old: Bruv is awesome in a KI84.
In the MA I seem to fly it very well doesn't always transfer to dueling in it though. Wilbuz was the best I have seen in it.
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Same as BBS name...if you're lucky, I'll even give you chance in the KI84
TitanMD, I'll be on tomorrow from 3PM to 8PM EST. If you're lucky, I'll even give you a chance in the ... er... er... er....SBD@! :bolt: :D
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Spell checker on my Driod :D
:rofl I have the same problem, then I get flamed for grammar hahaha
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that's because 1vs1 the Hurri2C is the most deadly plane in the game. :aok
and the epitome of easy mode.
at 15 K its basically untouchable...that is if you know the plane.....the best fight I ever won was a 5vs1 me in Hurri2 against 51's and a 38.
and no not one HO :old:
And anyone of em that got into a turnfight with ya was going to die. That's why the Hurri in AH is more potent then the Hurri was for real. When life really mattered, no one was going to turn with the better turning bird :)
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In honor of this thread I upped a Spit16 and promptly killed 6 before getting popped as I attempted to ditch. Good stuff.
Boo
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As a stalwart luftwaffe pilot, heres my answer:
The spit 16 is just ridiculous. It has almost no hole that can be exploited offensivly (ie, there is nothing that you can exploit in a fight, to give yourself an edge). It zooms decently, it rolls well, it turns good, it can dive to acceptable speeds without compressing, and can turn decently at higher speeds).
While this makes them good planes for noobs, they're almost game exploits for veterans. I mean really, almost nothing can match the versatility of the spit 16, the only planes I would say even come close are: 109K (and G-14 to a lesser degree), the F4U, La-7, and the Ki-84 to a limited extent. Equally skilled pilots flying a 190 and a spitfire 16, 9 times out of 10, the spitfire will win.
And as for the British members of our game, theres other spitfire models out there, that are better representative of the spitfire in WII, and aren't advantegous to the same degree.
So in my view, if you aren't a noob, you have no buisness flying the spit 16. You're out for your score, or out to win a fight, rather than out to enjoy the fights.
Thats just for the spit 16. I don't activly hate the other spitifres, since they have exploitable characteristics, but I still dislike them because, even though they have a low average pilot skill, they're still easier to fly than just about any plane in the game.
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spits are the most difficult to land , seems they're a little twitchy :devil
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I let my youngest boy fly offline awhile ago, and i'll be damned if he didn't hop in a Spitfire! :furious
Clearly he takes after his mother. :bhead
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And as for the British members of our game, theres other spitfire models out there, that are better representative of the spitfire in WII, and aren't advantegous to the same degree.
As this could be deemed to be directed at my beloved Few, Last tour (facts);
Total Kills in all Spitfire models 1465
Total kills in Spit 16 163 :aok :rolleyes:
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Head shot, Bruvy.
Although I consider the 8 and 9 to be just as deadly. I would bet a majority of the kills come from those two models. I probably only consider them to be so deadly because I try to turn fight them all :) . Anyway, I've no qualms with spitfires, so carry on.
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I believe the British have earned the right to fly any Spitfire in the game. It is their plane afterall.
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oh the 8 and 9 are far more dangerous in a fight but we were tarnishing the 16's reputation I thought ;)
now if I were to go check up on the percentage of K4 usage amongst Luft dweebs then I bet it would figure well over say 50% ? :D
Would love to have some 1944-45 Spitfires then we might have something to cry about.
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Gotta fly something that can catch those pesky Spits. :ahand
Maybe I'll do a tour with the 190A5, been liking it somewhat. :airplane:
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Would love to have some 1944-45 Spitfires then we might have something to cry about.
I really should research the Spitfires one on these days. I've always assumed the spixteen was a 44-45 bird. God help us all if they made them any better then that..... and then add them to the game :noid
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I don't know a thing about K4's, I'm a bomber pee-lot. ;)
Anyway, I prefer to stay away from adding late war anything, the trend seemed to be more speed less agility. As a fight dweeb I prefer those who are too slow to run and are forced to fight. Although, I'm sure some of those late war spits could turn on a dime as well.
To get back on topic, I demand each CPID have a spit 16 sortie quota per month! That'll teach 'em. :old:
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I really should research the Spitfires one on these days. I've always assumed the spixteen was a 44-45 bird. God help us all if they made them any better then that..... and then add them to the game :noid
ok maybe I exaggerated a little bit should have said 1945 ;)
spit 21 x 4 cannon clipped griffon.
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ok maybe I exaggerated a little bit should have said 1945 ;)
spit 21 x 4 cannon clipped griffon.
<Facepalm>
Spit XVI is nothing more then a Spitfire LFIXe with an American made Packard Merlin 266. The LFIXe has the English made Rolls Royce Merlin 66. Same airframe. Switch the engines and you make a 16 a 9 and a 9 a 16.
So it's a 44-45 bird only in that it's got the E wing. The Merlin 66 Spit IX was a 43 bird along with the Merlin 66 Spit VIII. Should HTC ever put a Universal wing on the Spit XVI model and give it full span wings, you'd have a 1943 Spitfire IX.
Oh how I now wish HTC had called the XVI an IXe. No one would think twice about it then. But they see 16 and assume it must be better then 8, 9 or 14.
The Spit 21 with the Griffon and 4 cannon was not a clipped wing Spit. The entire wing was re-designed. Put a Spit XIV and an 21 together and look from above and you'd see the 21 wing was not the usual Spitfire wing.
That anyone complains about Spits is silly. At least they stick around and try and fight.
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Which one is the Spit XVI? Which one is the Spit IX. Please note the serial numbers. There is one of each here.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TE215.jpg)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TE214.jpg)
What kind of Spit is it?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/HFIXe.jpg)
How bout this one?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/33.jpg)
And these two. One clipped, one not.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/2SPits.jpg)
What kind of Spit is this?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Spitfire3.jpg)
How bout this one?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/PT961.jpg)
And this clipped wing Spit? What is it?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/onemore.jpg)
How bout this one?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Spit30001.jpg)
And this?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Spitfire2.jpg)
Almost forgot this one. What is this clipped Spit with wing racks?
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Clipped93.jpg)
Do you detect a theme? I've used these same Spit images over and over, every time the same goofy discussion on the Spit XVI starts
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I'm quite fond of the 16, it's great for killing aeroplanes, and great for killing tanks and other vehicles. It's one of the few tactical fighters that lets you take 3 bombs and I love that about it too.
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And anyone of em that got into a turnfight with ya was going to die. That's why the Hurri in AH is more potent then the Hurri was for real. When life really mattered, no one was going to turn with the better turning bird :)
agree 100% :aok
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And as long as we're at it. The roll rate on the Spit with clipped wings was done for one reason. The Spit Vb was so totally outclassed by the 190A when it appeared, they did everything they could to try and give those guys a chance. The clipped wing greatly improved the roll rate and they started it in 42-43. The Spit XII then was produced and introduced in the Spring of 43 and it was clipped from the start. With its low alt rated Griffon III/IV and clipped wings it was a match in performance for the 190s in particular down low.
Since the XVI was produced essentially as a ground attack Spit with the extra hard points, they gave it the clipped wing in production as the roll rate helped and the turn radius wasn't impacted much down low. You you guys whining about the roll rate being unfair, get over it. They did what they had to to compete. Since AH is a down low kinda fight most times, the XVI or IXe, since they are the same, does it's job well.
Clipping the wing was about a half hour job and was done often, in particular if the Spit was going to be working down low. That included Vs, IXs, VIIIs, XIIs, XVIs and XIVs although the XIVs were mainly postwar.
Clipped Vb from 43
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/5-operationstarkey-01001.jpg)
Clipped XII
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MB88222.jpg)
Clipped Seafires
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/ClippedSeafireII.jpg)
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oh pick me pick me :D
Oh INK, we've already danced...lots and lots. KI vs KI and KI vs 1A, lol...yes, I had to bring that up
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That anyone complains about Spits is silly. At least they stick around and try and fight.
+1000000. I'd rather fight a Spit than chase a Pony.
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And as long as we're at it. The roll rate on the Spit with clipped wings was done for one reason. The Spit Vb was so totally outclassed by the 190A when it appeared, they did everything they could to try and give those guys a chance. The clipped wing greatly improved the roll rate and they started it in 42-43. The Spit XII then was produced and introduced in the Spring of 43 and it was clipped from the start. With its low alt rated Griffon III/IV and clipped wings it was a match in performance for the 190s in particular down low.
Since the XVI was produced essentially as a ground attack Spit with the extra hard points, they gave it the clipped wing in production as the roll rate helped and the turn radius wasn't impacted much down low. You you guys whining about the roll rate being unfair, get over it. They did what they had to to compete. Since AH is a down low kinda fight most times, the XVI or IXe, since they are the same, does it's job well.
Clipping the wing was about a half hour job and was done often, in particular if the Spit was going to be working down low. That included Vs, IXs, VIIIs, XIIs, XVIs and XIVs although the XIVs were mainly postwar.
Clipped Vb from 43
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/5-operationstarkey-01001.jpg)
Clipped XII
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/MB88222.jpg)
Clipped Seafires
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/ClippedSeafireII.jpg)
You sure seem to know your history. Very nice.... Very nice indeed. :salute :rock
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oh the 8 and 9 are far more dangerous in a fight but we were tarnishing the 16's reputation I thought ;)
now if I were to go check up on the percentage of K4 usage amongst Luft dweebs then I bet it would figure well over say 50% ? :D
Would love to have some 1944-45 Spitfires then we might have something to cry about.
Could check my stats if you like.
Karma
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Easy Mode!
HL
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You sure know your history. Very nice.... Very nice indeed. :salute :rock
fixed. :aok
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this thread has made me all :x
time to go up a 16 :banana:
(don't worry I still suck even in supposed 'easy mode' )
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Could check my stats if you like.
Karma
you follow the true path though killnU, a worthy adversary and not someone I would class a dweeb. :salute
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you follow the true path though killnU, a worthy adversary and not someone I would class a dweeb. :salute
<----- former luft 'dweeb' who almost exclusively flew the k4
... and fluff'n proud
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Some of us Luftdweebs walk a different path.
:noid
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<----- former luft 'dweeb' who almost exclusively flew the k4
... and fluffluff'n proud
You only flew the 109s because your little square head fitted in the canopy better :old:
Remember what I told you about German designers and compound curves :rofl
When are you coming back, let's do some more training :rock
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Some of us Luftdweebs walk a different path.
:noid
Yes.... :noid
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1. As a stalwart luftwaffe pilot, heres my answer:
2. The spit 16 is just ridiculous. It has almost no hole that can be exploited offensivly (ie, there is nothing that you can exploit in a fight, to give yourself an edge). It zooms decently, it rolls well, it turns good, it can dive to acceptable speeds without compressing, and can turn decently at higher speeds).
3. Thats just for the spit 16. I don't activly hate the other spitifres, since they have exploitable characteristics, but I still dislike them because, even though they have a low average pilot skill, they're still easier to fly than just about any plane in the game.
1. Oh really, you fly actual ww2 planes let alone German aircraft!?!! :O
2. Classic luftwhine, 109f owns any spit model. Even The k4 can easily handle a straight 1 on 1 with the spit16...(sorry bruv) :D
3. Your last paragraph is completly contradicting. If the other spits have exploitable characteristics then why don't you EXPLOIT them and kill them with ease? :rolleyes: Takes low level of skill to fly a spit...HAH! Spits are the most finicky plane to fly in The whole game.
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Most spits are flown by newbies and are easy perks. It's the occasional one flown a decent or vet that makes it annoying.
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2. Classic luftwhine, 109f owns any spit model. Even The k4 can easily handle a straight 1 on 1 with the spit16...(sorry bruv) :D
The 109F is close, but it does not owns spits. A well flown one can defeat a medicore spit pilot, but me in 109F < me in any spit. Even tho the 109F is my fav plane.
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Against the late war spits, they can just E fight the 109F till they eventually gain an E advantage. Then a simple rope is going to get the 109F killed. If the 109 doesn't follow the rope, the Spit can climb on top and start making BnZ passes at will.
Against Spit9s and earlier, the 109F should be able to kill all of them unless the 109 screw up.
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1. Oh really, you fly actual ww2 planes let alone German aircraft!?!! :O
2. Classic luftwhine, 109f owns any spit model. Even The k4 can easily handle a straight 1 on 1 with the spit16...(sorry bruv) :D
3. Your last paragraph is completly contradicting. If the other spits have exploitable characteristics then why don't you EXPLOIT them and kill them with ease? :rolleyes: Takes low level of skill to fly a spit...HAH! Spits are the most finicky plane to fly in The whole game.
O really?
:noid
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I kindof agree with tank in the lack of weaknesses to exploit in the spit16
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The 109F is close, but it does not owns spits. A well flown one can defeat a medicore spit pilot, but me in 109F < me in any spit. Even tho the 109F is my fav plane.
Oppsite for me...I'm a gong show in a spit...109 is alot easier to handle IMO.
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As a stalwart luftwaffe pilot, heres my answer:
The spit 16 is just ridiculous. It has almost no hole that can be exploited offensivly (ie, there is nothing that you can exploit in a fight, to give yourself an edge). It zooms decently, it rolls well, it turns good, it can dive to acceptable speeds without compressing, and can turn decently at higher speeds).
While this makes them good planes for noobs, they're almost game exploits for veterans. I mean really, almost nothing can match the versatility of the spit 16, the only planes I would say even come close are: 109K (and G-14 to a lesser degree), the F4U, La-7, and the Ki-84 to a limited extent. Equally skilled pilots flying a 190 and a spitfire 16, 9 times out of 10, the spitfire will win.
And as for the British members of our game, theres other spitfire models out there, that are better representative of the spitfire in WII, and aren't advantegous to the same degree.
So in my view, if you aren't a noob, you have no buisness flying the spit 16. You're out for your score, or out to win a fight, rather than out to enjoy the fights.
Thats just for the spit 16. I don't activly hate the other spitifres, since they have exploitable characteristics, but I still dislike them because, even though they have a low average pilot skill, they're still easier to fly than just about any plane in the game.
ROFL...really....Mr. I need my K4 and anything less is a hanger queen.
In my view your a noob if you sit at the Tank spawn waiting for some unsuspecting person to spawn out, so you can set off the 4th of July fireworks display, whack them over the head and call it a tank battle. Then you other 20 countrymen at that spawn can all tell eachother how good of a tank battler you all are.
The only thing that makes a plane or tank dweebish is the person behind the controlls.
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Oppsite for me...I'm a gong show in a spit...109 is alot easier to handle IMO.
Your the only one then....
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Your the only one then....
Not really.. I find 109s quite easy to handle as well.
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Not really.. I find 109s quite easy to handle as well.
So your saying you agree that a 109 is easier then a spit?
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So your saying you agree that a 109 is easier then a spit?
Never said that? I simply stated that its an easy plane to handle. Not once did I say its easier than the spit lol...
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So your saying you agree that a 109 is easier then a spit?
What if I was?
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Your posts follow no logic, spek.
If youre saying the 109 is easyer to fly than a spit, youre a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N56PFfnbZ0Y
Plz stop trolling.
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spit 5 vs 109 F4 who wins?
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spit 5 vs 109 F4 who wins?
depends on who is flying them :old:
as you well know :uhoh
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spit 5 vs 109 F4 who wins?
money on spit 5.
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spit 5 vs 109 F4 who wins?
Grizz and I ran this test last week....it wasn't pretty for the Spitdriver
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Grizz and I ran this test last week....it wasn't pretty for the Spitdriver
no offence, but wouldn't grizz being one of the all time best pilots, kill you spit V to spit V too?
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no offence, but wouldn't grizz being one of the all time best pilots, kill you spit V to spit V too?
No....I would own him! Lol
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spit 5 vs 109 F4 who wins?
Me and mickyD did this many times before he took a break...it was 60/40 109 even when we switched.
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no offence, but wouldn't grizz being one of the all time best pilots, kill you spit V to spit V too?
You and Grizz need a room... :D
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You and Grizz need a room... :D
No thanks, but I heard you had a blast by yourself in a room with a mirror and a tissue. :neener:
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No thanks, but I heard you had a blast by yourself in a room with a mirror and a tissue. :neener:
literally... :rofl
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literally... :rofl
:rofl
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You and Grizz need a room... :D
They'll have to wait until Midway and Bruv check out. :bolt:
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They'll have to wait until Midway and Bruv check out. :bolt:
I don't think Midway will let him checkout...sounds like Bruv may be getting sexually abused and held hostage
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I don't think Midway will let him checkout...sounds like Bruv may be getting sexually abused and held hostage
oh i understand now ------> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=514_1332410485
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As this could be deemed to be directed at my beloved Few, Last tour (facts);
Total Kills in all Spitfire models 1465
Total kills in Spit 16 163 :aok :rolleyes:
Actually wasn't even thinking of the few when I wrote that comment. But its concevable that there are spitfire fanatics out there who aren't in the Few, you know :rolleyes:.
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ROFL...really....Mr. I need my K4 and anything less is a hanger queen.
In my view your a noob if you sit at the Tank spawn waiting for some unsuspecting person to spawn out, so you can set off the 4th of July fireworks display, whack them over the head and call it a tank battle. Then you other 20 countrymen at that spawn can all tell eachother how good of a tank battler you all are.
The only thing that makes a plane or tank dweebish is the person behind the controlls.
LOL!!! you really need to get your little rice-paper panties out of a bunch there. I pointed out your balsa wood Ki-43 isn't as hot as you would like us to think, so sue me.
Just because I enjoy tanking, and its my best skill in the game, doesn't mean I'm inept with fighters. And tank fights aren't limited to the spawns. But I guess twits like you without the brass to step into a real tank fight wouldn't know that, now would you.
And as to the K4, its the best 109, but its not even my favorite, the E/F-4 are. Its merely the best for many comparisons and illustrations, and so comes up a lot. Does the fact that the A6M and spitfire are brought up a lot in turn fighting mean that those who bring them up think everything else is a hanger queen? No, you idiot, it just means that the Zeke or Spit illustrates a point.
You stick to bumping threads with picture spamming, and I'll stick to my own business.
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So your saying you agree that a 109 is easier then a spit?
109 is capable and easy if you know the plane. A Spitfire is easy and capable if you don't know the plane. Both are exceptional if it's an experienced pilot and they know the plane.
I'd give spit hands down win if it was 2 noobs of 1 day, 1 in a 109K and the other in a Spixteen were to go at it.
I'd also give the spit a hands down win if it was 2 noobs of 1 day and they were both trying to successfully land their plane with the gear and propeller intact.
That being said, I can't fly the spit for beans. I can fake the 109 decently enough though. :salute
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Always keep in mind that the other guy's plane is always better then yours and easier to fly. That way when you beat him, you can claim to be a superior pilot, and when you lose you have an excuse :)
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The only thing that makes a plane or tank dweebish is the person behind the controlls.
Or if the plane is a Spit9, Spit16, or a Nik
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Or if the plane is a Spit9, Spit16, or a Nik
Would that mean I'm a double dweeb? :x
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Would that mean I'm a double dweeb? :x
sigh, where's that implied facepalm pix?
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,330878.msg4338861.html#msg4338861
followed shortly thereafter by....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,330878.msg4338890.html#msg4338890
in this very thread, no less. :bhead
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Always keep in mind that the other guy's plane is always better then yours and easier to fly. That way when you beat him, you can claim to be a superior pilot, and when you lose you have an excuse :)
^Nail on the head.^
I love a quote I read a couple of weeks ago by LW type when I enquired about him flying Allied.
His quote...
We are used to disadvantages and enjoy winning despite of them. I would be embarrassed to lose this if I was Allied.
Plus, if I liked cakewalks I would've went with the squad name "Skill-less twits in Fast Rides."
The best part of this is he proudly displays a 262 in his avatar. :lol
As far as Spits... I suck in them I never live long enough to get a kill much less RTB.
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The Spitfire is too unstable for the way I fly. The stall I call the 'Sopwith Shuffle' is damn annoying. I sought solice in the 109s.
The Spitfire isn't dweeby, it's the fleshy n00by thing inside the C-pit that is.
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OK, you all have convinced me. I usually fly Hurricanes but I'm making April "Spit Dweeb Wanna-be" month. A whole month of flying spits.
I just have one question. For a non spit flyer which model would be the best to start with?
:airplane:
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OK, you all have convinced me. I usually fly Hurricanes but I'm making April "Spit Dweeb Wanna-be" month. A whole month of flying spits.
I just have one question. For a non spit flyer which model would be the best to start with?
:airplane:
Mk VIII is the one to start with, in my opinion.
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I must be the worst Spit driver ever. My all time K/D is 2-4 times higher in the FW190A-8 that it is in the Spit XVI. I guess I'll just keep trying and trying and one day I'll figure that Spit out.
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Or if the plane is a Spit9, Spit16, or a Nik
or if the plane is a 109k4, LA7 or Brewster!
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OK, you all have convinced me. I usually fly Hurricanes but I'm making April "Spit Dweeb Wanna-be" month. A whole month of flying spits.
I just have one question. For a non spit flyer which model would be the best to start with?
:airplane:
good luck! may the force be with you.
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or if the plane is a 109k4, LA7 or Brewster!
Haha no. You and your ilk get a Spitfire pass, since you seriously mix it up and are also British. Others? Not so much.
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Many American pilots were lucky enough to fly the Spitfire in battle. They all said the same thing! Awesome <--- I think this word may have even been coined by them when they slid the hood back and stepped out onto the wing.
It is only right that they share this experience here too. :aok
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Many American pilots were lucky enough to fly the Spitfire in battle. They all said the same thing! Awesome <--- I think this word may have even been coined by them when they slid the hood back and stepped out onto the wing.
It is only right that they share this experience here too. :aok
Lol.
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"Spitfire" always reminds me of Mario after eating that flower. . .
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And some british pilots were lucky enough to use high-quality lend-lease equipment from the US. Oh, and also you're welcome for the M4's. I shutter to think how poor your own chassis for the firefly tank would have been.
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And some british pilots were lucky enough to use high-quality lend-lease equipment from the US. Oh, and also you're welcome for the M4's. I shutter to think how poor your own chassis for the firefly tank would have been.
Why did you post this?
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Why did you post this?
Because he clearly didn't understand the post he quoted. He seems to have taken it as a slight against American made equipment when it was actually a statement saying it is fine for American players to use the Spitfire in AH as well and not a comment on anything historical in terms of quality.
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If the Spit IX was good enough for Gabby Gabreski, then it was good enough for me.
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And some british pilots were lucky enough to use high-quality lend-lease equipment from the US. Oh, and also you're welcome for the M4's. I shutter to think how poor your own chassis for the firefly tank would have been.
Those poor guys flying P40cs against 109s would disagree with you. I know they would have preferred Spits.
The tank crew in their "Tommy cookers" probably would too.
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If the Spit IX was good enough for Gabby Gabreski, then it was good enough for me.
Which engine did Gabby Gabreski's Spit IX have?
I'm betting it was a Merlin 66 with a off chance of Merlin 70. Chances that it was a Merlin 61 or 63 are fairly low.
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If the Spit IX was good enough for Gabby Gabreski, then it was good enough for me.
QFT....I fly his skin.
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Which engine did Gabby Gabreski's Spit IX have?
I'm betting it was a Merlin 66 with a off chance of Merlin 70. Chances that it was a Merlin 61 or 63 are fairly low.
Probably a Merlin 61 considering when he flew it
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It was the easiest for me to learn in. It's fun & easy to fly. A new stick can more quickly get kills to gain the confidence to try more complicated maneuvers, then more challenging birds. It definitely has a special place in the game. :salute to all Spitfires!
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I don't know why but those 20mms go damn fast for me.
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Why did you post this?
Because he is a neo-nazi.
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Col. Steve Pisanos put it this way when we talked a couple of years ago in Denver: " If I had to defend the airspace here, I'd choose a Spitfire. If I had to escort bombers to LA, I'd choose the Mustang. If the mission called for a fighter-bomber, I'd choose the P-47.
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Col. Steve Pisanos put it this way when we talked a couple of years ago in Denver: " If I had to defend the airspace here, I'd choose a Spitfire. If I had to escort bombers to LA, I'd choose the Mustang. If the mission called for a fighter-bomber, I'd choose the P-47.
If I wanted to do all those things I'd choose a P38
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If I wanted to do all those things I'd choose a P38
If you wanted to do all of those things, and none of them well.
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Col. Steve Pisanos put it this way when we talked a couple of years ago in Denver: " If I had to defend the airspace here, I'd choose a Spitfire. If I had to escort bombers to LA, I'd choose the Mustang. If the mission called for a fighter-bomber, I'd choose the P-47.
Actually great truth to this. Adding that if it's in the Pacific, over lots of water, he'd want a P38. That second engine was a big deal in that case.
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If you wanted to do all of those things, and none of them well.
The 38 would do them well. Perhaps not as well as the dedicated planes did one job. It had nearly the range (or the same according to some sources) as the P51, could haul ord and do ground attack very well and managed to handle the best Axis aircraft.
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and managed to handle the best Axis aircraft.
And here is where reasonable minds may differ.
- oldman
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And here is where reasonable minds may differ.
- oldman
...It wasn't the Americans that nicknamed it the Fork Tailed Devil.
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A 38 can dry a helluva lot more laundry than its single-engine competitors. That'd probably snap the wings right off a Spit.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/P-38J42-67795wasassignedtothe44thFtrSqonGuadalcanalinearly1944.jpg)
And, as if it even needs to be mentioned...
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Untitled-17-1.jpg)
It's all about priorities.
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Hardest part of flying a spit is the gunnery.
It is easy. Recovers quickly if you make a mistake turns nicely does all things either good or ok.
If I have a friend who tries aces for the first time I tell him to fly a spit.
...he added non chilantly as if he cared. or however its spelled. paging comrade question.
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A 38 can dry a helluva lot more laundry than its single-engine competitors. That'd probably snap the wings right off a Spit.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/P-38J42-67795wasassignedtothe44thFtrSqonGuadalcanalinearly1944.jpg)
And, as if it even needs to be mentioned...
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Untitled-17-1.jpg)
It's all about priorities.
LOL
Cactus, can you please please please make me a laundry skinned 38??
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...It wasn't the Americans that nicknamed it the Fork Tailed Devil.
Well, yes, it probably was.
- oldman
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Well, yes, it probably was.
- oldman
Easiest search, but by far not the only one from wikipedia:
Lightnings escorted a group of B-17 Flying Fortress bombers on a raid over Tunis. On 5 April 1943, 26 P-38Fs of the 82nd claimed 31 enemy aircraft destroyed, helping to establish air superiority in the area, and earning it the German nickname "der Gabelschwanzteufel" – the Fork-Tailed Devil.
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Easiest search, but by far not the only one from wikipedia:
You ever see an actual quote from an Axis person using that term?
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I miss my Spitfire. :(
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I miss my Spitfire. :(
It's waiting for you, as am I to shoot your rusty self out of the sky. :x
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It's waiting for you, as am I to shoot your rusty self out of the sky. :x
In your dreams :rofl He'd own you on his first sortie :D
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I miss my Spitfire. :(
Spitfire still loves you Kaz, it whispers secretly into your ear at night. caress me, embrace me oh hear her engine roar!!
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In your dreams :rofl He'd own you on his first sortie :D
I doubt that. He's rusty, but maybe by the 10th sortie.... :)
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I doubt that. He's rusty, but maybe by the 10th sortie.... :)
last time he reactivated for a day, the whole squad sat in line to get him while he was rusty. None of us could get him, except maybe bruv who took a couple rounds..
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He HOed me a couple of times and used being rusty as an excuse but he is a freak of nature for sure. Midway you are very brave to question the force of my FPH.
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last time he reactivated for a day, the whole squad sat in line to get him while he was rusty. None of us could get him, except maybe bruv who took a couple rounds..
Bruv is still, by far, the hardest for me to get. Other members of The Few i think I've figured out. Think I can win 2 of 3 for all except Bruv, although not certain -- yet. Not bragging.... Just saying.... :)
Kazaa is a question mark still in terms of actual experience. I have films of him and can tell he is very smart how he flys. :aok
Btw, <3 The Few, and have I said recently Bruv is really awesome? :headscratch:
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Spitfires are magic.
I have been a Spitdweeb totally through my years in AH2.
And yet Ive had angry people PM me after I have chased them and forced them to Auger in a JU-87. And how I have gun killed 190s in a Lancaster after a dogfight.
If you get good in a spit 16 with stall limiter off. You can fly pretty much anything. The snap stalls and the lack of speed and range teaches a pilot to manage EVERYTHING.
I found getting in a K4 or a 38 and even a Jug. And falling quickly in love with them.
But I always take up my Spit 8 in the end, flying the Aussie silver and annhilating any who oppose her righteous might.
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He HOed me a couple of times and used being rusty as an excuse but he is a freak of nature for sure. Midway you are very brave to question the force of my FPH.
Fine line between brave and stupid. :bhead
:O Did I just type a personal attack on me? HiTech, please don't rule #4 me for it. :uhoh
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Other members of The Few i think I've figured out. Think I can win 2 of 3 for all except Bruv, although not certain -- yet. Not bragging.... Just saying.... :)
good one :rofl
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It's waiting for you, as am I to shoot your rusty self out of the sky. :x
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(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n268/Luke_831/motivator092e3536b20ac76b829f936d7e.jpg)
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I was jumped by a high spit 16 last night while in my 38J. After about 12 turns in which I only got a few pings on him he shot my pilot. I rarely have issues with spixteens but my margarita limit was close at hand and well....... that was that. :rofl
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The youngling grows with each day to question those above him. :D