I'm amazed how easily it blows up with few hits, nothing over 50 cal alarms me.
Hmm, I had a 410 eat a tater from the K4 I was flying earlier. He ended up with a missing elevator and friendlies had to mop him up.
Me410
410 bests 110 until you get above 21,000 feet.By 3mph, my friend? Just take a look on the comprasion page ;)
| Airplane | Fuel | Armament | Sea Level Speed | Acceleration 150 to 200mph | Acceleration 200 to 250mph |
| Bf110G-2 | 50% fuel (34.9 minutes) | Two 20mm MG151/20, two 30mm MK108 | MIL: 311 WEP: 322 | MIL: 13.56 WEP: 12.03 | MIL: 21.03 WEP: 19.00 |
| Me410 | 50% fuel (38.7 minutes) | Two 20mm MG151/20, two 13mm MG131 | MIL: 315 WEP: 327 | MIL: 14.87 WEP: 12.85 | MIL: 22.56 WEP: 19.44 |
| Mosquito Mk VI | 50% fuel (35.7 minutes) | Four 20mm Hispano Mk II, four .303 | MIL: 320 WEP: 357 | MIL: 15.19 WEP: 10.62 | MIL: 23.40 WEP: 15.15 |
| P-38L | 75% fuel (27.6 minutes) | One M2 20mm, four M2 50 cal | MIL: 333 WEP: 345 | MIL: 11.56 WEP: 10.09 | MIL: 17.43 WEP: 14.60 |
I'd take it over the 110G due to the sheer firepower.
what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot :P
Airplane Fuel Armament Sea Level Speed Acceleration 150 to 200mph Acceleration 200 to 250mph Bf110G-2 50% fuel (34.9 minutes) Two 20mm MG151/20, two 30mm MK108 MIL: 311 WEP: 322 MIL: 13.56 WEP: 12.03 MIL: 21.03 WEP: 19.00 Me410 50% fuel (38.7 minutes) Two 20mm MG151/20, two 13mm MG131 MIL: 315 WEP: 327 MIL: 14.87 WEP: 12.85 MIL: 22.56 WEP: 19.44 Mosquito Mk VI 50% fuel (35.7 minutes) Four 20mm Hispano Mk II, four .303 MIL: 320 WEP: 357 MIL: 15.19 WEP: 10.62 MIL: 23.40 WEP: 15.15 P-38L 75% fuel (27.6 minutes) One M2 20mm, four M2 50 cal MIL: 333 WEP: 345 MIL: 11.56 WEP: 10.09 MIL: 17.43 WEP: 14.60
what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot :PWell, the B38 has the shortest range, the lowest firepower, similar unimpressive roll up to the J model, the wheel of a bomber and it is slower than the mosquito down low. The mosquito does all that while carrying a sack of potatoes in a starboard seat, weighing a couple hundred pounds incl. the seat itself and other related equipment. Above all, the mossie also looks better while doing so :t
Interestingly, keeping ballistics aside, the 'sheer firepower' of the 110 is greater than the 410's, both in one second burst power as well as in total destructive power of the ammo loadout.
But the ballistics is the whole point of the 410.
I would never argue that, but in 'sheer firepower' (which was the word being used) it comes 2nd only. that was my sole point. :)
Nothing the 410 has on the mossie, 110, or the 38.
Against planes?
8x 20mms vs 2x 30mms/4x 20mms is a moot point as both can kill pretty much every plane in the game in a single snapshot.
Against buildings? Yea, you're right, the 110 can cause more damage. The 410 ammo load also allow newer players more chances to kill. (Albeit both planes have a crap ton of ammo, the 410 still have more :)).
Yes, sometimes I tend to take phrases literally :)
what about roll rate climbrate and turn radious in seconds. 1 with no flaps 1 with fullflaps? and just saying 38 best plane of the lot :P
I was doing 1,000 yrd 50mm gun tests against targets, with the B-25 sight, and if you tap page up just a bit you can find a sweet spot where the big gun is not only remarkably accurate at this stand off range. But also the rockets are right on when sighting using the lower/double horizontal sights at 1,000 yrds. Or meters, or whatever it is.
I havnt tried it against bombers yet but it may very well be the ultimate standoff weapon against bomber formations. On the other hand Ive hit plenty of airplanes in bomber guns at the same range and with the window cockpit, is the glass hardened?, your going to catch some lead. But if you jink in and out of 1,000 yrd range this plane should be invulnerable as a bomber killer. With its long range perhaps a perfect CV defender.
| Airplane | Fuel | Armament | Sea Level Speed | Acceleration 150 to 200mph | Acceleration 200 to 250mph | Climb at 5000ft | Time for 360 roll at 250 |
| Bf110G-2 | 50% fuel (34.9 minutes) | Two 20mm MG151/20, two 30mm MK108 | MIL: 311 WEP: 322 | MIL: 13.56 WEP: 12.03 | MIL: 21.03 WEP: 19.00 | MIL: 2677 WEP: 3067 | Left: 6.50 Right: 6.97 |
| Me410 | 50% fuel (38.7 minutes) | Two 20mm MG151/20, two 13mm MG131 | MIL: 315 WEP: 327 | MIL: 14.87 WEP: 12.85 | MIL: 22.56 WEP: 19.44 | MIL: 2416 WEP: 2807 | Left: 6.62 Right: 7.22 |
| Mosquito Mk VI | 50% fuel (35.7 minutes) | Four 20mm Hispano Mk II, four .303 | MIL: 320 WEP: 357 | MIL: 15.19 WEP: 10.62 | MIL: 23.40 WEP: 15.15 | MIL: 2453 WEP: 3324 | Left: 6.22 Right: 6.31 |
| P-38L | 75% fuel (27.6 minutes) | One M2 20mm, four M2 50 cal | MIL: 333 WEP: 345 | MIL: 11.56 WEP: 10.09 | MIL: 17.43 WEP: 14.60 | MIL: 3131 WEP: 3640 | Left: 5.25 Right: 5.00 |
The thing about the 30mm vs. the 20mm packages in the 410 & 110 is the fact the ballistics all match, when it comes to the 410's durability you can find pictures of crashed 210s and 410's with little to no major damage, most look like they were even able to crash land and the pilots survived. (the few pictures i have seen,lol)
I havent flown it online yet tho, how are the pilot wounds? and if a round hits the bomb bay under the pilot does the plane instantly detonate? Is the rear mid section of the aircraft vulnerable to rounds detonating the 15mm ammo stored for the rear gunner? I figure the more guns and ammo stored might be the reason people are seeing the aircraft as so vulnerable.
Not entirely sure whether external stores are included in the damage model at all, don't remember ever hitting drop tanks or ords on an aircraft and seeing it explode. Could well be wrong, I don't hit much :uhoh
Ammo is stored in the tray, which is located in the bomb bay area. I would imagine one round going off would make the plane go ka-blooey.
Agreed, just unsure whether hits on ammo and stores are modelled?I don't think they are beyond possibly being one of the causes of a weapon being destroyed.
I don't think they are beyond possibly being one of the causes of a weapon being destroyed.
I don't think they are beyond possibly being one of the causes of a weapon being destroyed.
Originally posted by Pyro:
Made an adjustment to the damage modeling on the Me 410 that makes fires a little less likely.
Well, should be a bit less flammable now:Where you find that quote?
Well, should be a bit less flammable now:
Where you find that quote?
In the changelog of patch 1
The 410 was supposed to be an upgrade to the 110G, but, from what I can see in the game its basically a downgrade in several areas except for the novelty of a 50mm gun.
It's a twin engined 190A8. :) Come in high, grab a few kills on the way down, rinse and repeat. You can't TnB with anything except another 410.
Not all "upgrades" were successful. I think people stopped reading about the Me 410 after what gun packages were available and didn't bother reading up on its flight characteristics. Just another example of the AH masses wanting a plane with lots of cannons.
Agreed. Same thing likely to happen when AH gets the A26.
- oldman (not to mention the Beaufighter)
You can't TnB with anything except another 410.Wanna bet?
I'm glad you didn't mention my Beaufighter :)
Don't want to dogfight in it, but do want to fly to the Norway Fjords and attack shipping in it. That or Fly it in Burma or over the Med :)
Total waste of time putting this hunk of junk in the game. Shoulda put a bristol beaufighter in the game instead. Thats my two cents on the topic.
Total waste of time putting this hunk of junk in the game. Shoulda put a bristol beaufighter in the game instead. Thats my two cents on the topic.
Total waste of time putting this hunk of junk in the game. Shoulda put a bristol beaufighter in the game instead. Thats my two cents on the topic.
They, or we should I say, should have voted for the Yak and had the other Yaks updated in the process, that would have made sense oh well.
Wanna bet?
I like a challenge. :lol
I think what many people don't fully appreciate is the difference on the MK108 cannon and the MK103 cannon. At 2800 fps muzzle velocity, the latter has a 1000 fps+/- advantage over the MK 103. That's HUGE boys and girls. Not only in its ability to damage but in an infinitely better trajectory and ease of shooting crossing targets (less lead).
To put it in perspective, the MK108's MV is roughly equivalent of a black powder muzzle loading rifle firing a lead ball. (Please, no one flame me telling me your muzzleloader fires at 2000 fps)
Hehe, sure. Although I did try fighting a F4U-4 yesterday in a 410 and got my butt handed to me. :ahandF4U4.... whew!!
F4U4.... whew!!
I would try it in smaller steps, bud :lol
190s first, then ponies, jugs, jaks, 38s, 109s, lalas, ki84s, spits, hurries, brewsters, zeeks... and then! then the UFO-4 :D
Seriously speaking, i dont think i can ever be able to handle a well-flown jug in it. Gonna try the inpossible anyway.
Everyone that was expecting a German P38, should of either cracked open a book or listened to some of the more knowledgeable folks on this board as to what this plane was going to handle like, and ya might not of been so disappointed in it.
But I think some folks just counted the cannons on it and voted.
:rolleyes: waste of time another Luft HO mobile.Typhoon.
Looking at stats alone, I think the only thing that the 410 would beat are P40s, P39s. 190s would just out scissor the damn thing. But we'll see. :DThe p40 turns better than a 109G (instanteous, not sustained), handles a bit better too, fine little aircraft, just a bit short on climb rate and a flaps are a bit strange.
Now can we go back to the more sensible choices like the YAK3 and METEOR!! :lol
Looks like the best deacker so far in the game.
isn t it a german p38, i gues the p38 isn t much better, thats my first expirence maybe im wrong
cu christian
The 110 has the 4 20mm and 2 30mm pak and you shoot buildings and hangars from short range. The 110 also can carry over twice the bombload.2 of these 4 2cm guns are in a draggy underfuselage pod and you can't use bombs with the pod (except 4x 50kg underwing). Me 410 always has 2x 13mm and 2x 2cm + 2x 3cm guns or 2/4 2cm guns or 2x500kg or even a 1000kg bomb in the bombbay + an additional option to carry underwing bombs/rockts like the Bf 110.
As I've posted in other posts about the 410. Do some research. The Luftwaffe pulled it from bomber interception
when long range escorts showed up. The 210/410 combination was a failure by LW standards. The LW considered
cancelling production of the BF110 until the 210/410 came into operation. Their performance was so poor the LW
did not cancel 110 production and kept on building the 110.
This is the 410.....barely mediocre at best. The only think it has a big guns. If that is the case the Mossie clobbers the 410.
We have several twin engined aircraft here that are a great deal better. And we had them before the 410 arrived.
This is becoming like fan voting for the all-star team. Ya get what ya want but not the best. And then are disappointed with
the result.
What a strange thing to post in a thread where most people seem to be happy with the plane, and the only whine I've seen was someone who wanted a Beaufighter instead...
One player was very vocally upset that his Me 410 was out turned by a Spitfire and resorted to shouting the Luftwaffe had all the aces, etc.
As I've posted in other posts about the 410. Do some research. The Luftwaffe pulled it from bomber interception
when long range escorts showed up. The 210/410 combination was a failure by LW standards. The LW considered
cancelling production of the BF110 until the 210/410 came into operation. Their performance was so poor the LW
did not cancel 110 production and kept on building the 110.
This is the 410.....barely mediocre at best. The only think it has a big guns. If that is the case the Mossie clobbers the 410.
We have several twin engined aircraft here that are a great deal better. And we had them before the 410 arrived.
This is becoming like fan voting for the all-star team. Ya get what ya want but not the best. And then are disappointed with
the result.
There have been a few vocal people in game that have were surprised the Me 410 wasn't the uber fighter they'd thought it be. One player was very vocally upset that his Me 410 was out turned by a Spitfire and resorted to shouting the Luftwaffe had all the aces, etc.
ack-ack
With respect Ack-Ack, Schlowy was clearly trolling.
I like the 410 - just plain like it.
So it does not make anybody else wonder how the hell an aircraft that weights more than other aircraft of similar class and while it is smaller i.e. more of its weight is divided into smaller area is also more fragile??
Has anybody ever lost the outer wing section of its wing? I always lose the whole wing if it is hit. Something's gotta be screwed in damage model.
I don't want it to be an uber ride and I don't have a problem it being a brick in maneuvers but I DO have problem with its damage model.
-C+
So it does not make anybody else wonder how the hell an aircraft that weights more than other aircraft of similar class and while it is smaller i.e. more of its weight is divided into smaller area is also more fragile??How much of did its engines weigh compared to the engines in the Bf110, P-38 or Mossie? I am suspecting most of that extra weight is in the engines.
Has anybody ever lost the outer wing section of its wing? I always lose the whole wing if it is hit. Something's gotta be screwed in damage model.
I don't want it to be an uber ride and I don't have a problem it being a brick in maneuvers but I DO have problem with its damage model.
-C+
As I've posted in other posts about the 410. Do some research. The Luftwaffe pulled it from bomber interception
when long range escorts showed up. The 210/410 combination was a failure by LW standards. The LW considered
cancelling production of the BF110 until the 210/410 came into operation. Their performance was so poor the LW
did not cancel 110 production and kept on building the 110.
This is the 410.....barely mediocre at best. The only think it has a big guns. If that is the case the Mossie clobbers the 410.
We have several twin engined aircraft here that are a great deal better. And we had them before the 410 arrived.
This is becoming like fan voting for the all-star team. Ya get what ya want but not the best. And then are disappointed with
the result.
The P-38 is the only twin engined aircraft in AH that I really count as a full fledged fighter. The Mosquito is almost there and the Bf110G-2 isn't too far behind.
The 110C-4b is a better fighter than the 110G-2.
So what's the max range I can kill a buff with the bk5? I know I killed 2 to day at 2k. And heard someone say 3k but can a luck shot hit at 4-6k.... if I start shooting at an air strip can it be used like a b25/75mm at shoot from 6/7k?
As I've posted in other posts about the 410. Do some research. The Luftwaffe pulled it from bomber interceptionSir, respectfully, i disagree with that.
when long range escorts showed up. The 210/410 combination was a failure by LW standards. The LW considered
cancelling production of the BF110 until the 210/410 came into operation. Their performance was so poor the LW
did not cancel 110 production and kept on building the 110.
This is the 410.....barely mediocre at best. The only think it has a big guns. If that is the case the Mossie clobbers the 410.
We have several twin engined aircraft here that are a great deal better. And we had them before the 410 arrived.
This is becoming like fan voting for the all-star team. Ya get what ya want but not the best. And then are disappointed with
the result.
I expected about 10-12mph more, according to WMaker's and Moot's research.
Filling the seams and holes to make them flush with the surface. However, if it managed 337+ mph while filled and polished running on DB 605s...
Its not even 328mph. With only 2 20mms and 7.92s, 25% fuel, i couldnt get it over 325, even after 5 mins of wep usage.
That 3mph isnt making any difference tho.
Edit: if anyone has reliable historical data, speed curves, etc, would you post them here please?
They look very simmilar to the Spitfire8's two staged Merlins.
-at 2km ~ 6k feet altitude, the AH's 410 does ~335mph at 1.3 ata, thats significantly less than what the chart says: 562kmph ~ 351mph. In AH, the plane only reaches it at 10k.
Still cant understand the extremely poor instanteous turn rate, even tho the relatively isnt too bad wing loading.
Well, it easily has the highest wing loading of any fighter in AH except the Me262. Funnily enough, I did some stall speed calculations using some airfoil data based the Me410 foil. At ~9500kg weight the AH Me410 stalls allmost exactly at the speed I had calculated.Let me correct myself, my statement that the p-47 has higher wingloading was wrong. At 13000 lbs, its only 43.5lbs/sq.feet, while the 410 is at 51.5lbs/sq.feet (at 20000lbs), while the p-38 is at 46.3lbs/sq.feet (at 15000lbs).
~630km/h is correct for the Bf 109 G-6 with 1.3 ata, with 1.42 ata it's ~645 km/h. 1943/early 1944 production aircraft with a good finish assumed, the late-war a/c (quantity over quality) will be a tad slower.Exactly, Sir, but 645kmph is ~ 403mph. The Ah's G6 cant get faster than 393mph (630kmph), even with wep (1.42), also even slower at the standard 1.3 ata.
Interesting! Could you provide a data set or a source where this info is from?
Lets start with its top speed. 325 mph at sea level with the lightest setup. Its the same as the hungarian produced Me-210Ca (powered by DB605Ds).
The reason I think that it would have made more sense to put a beaufighter in the game was because unlike the 410 the beaufighter actually saw a lot of service in the war. The 410 was considered a failure back then and I have to agree.
How nice it is to have a civil discussion about these things. Not like back in the day... Me likes! :cheers:
Whats the difference between the DB-605 A and B?
I've seen only two speeds curves for 410.
your mother wears combat boots! :neener:
The P-38 is the only twin engined aircraft in AH that I really count as a full fledged fighter. The Mosquito is almost there and the Bf110G-2 isn't too far behind.
I'd like to thank AH for the addition of the ME-410 and new Stuka. I flew both yesterday offline to evaluate and found the modeling superb for each. While I don't expect either to compete with perked (or near perked) dog fighters, I found their ability to perform their intended roles very effective. It is going to be a blast flying in and against them.
Nicely done! :salute
In here it can barely keep up with a bloody lancaster flying in formation of 3.
The A20 is better fighter than either the 110g or 410 will ever be, (probably even with 4k of bombs in it), just for fun i would like to see turn charts for the a20 vs the other 2 engine planes we are talking about.If I remember right no A-20 could mount 4k bombs internally, later versions could mount the standard 2k internal + another 2k external.
I have numbers based on my own tests. All twin engined fighters have the advantage over the A-20G, unless they turn with it. They are all faster and climb better (though the climb advantage of the Me410 is marginal against an unladen A-20G).
The A20 is better fighter than either the 110g or 410 will ever be, (probably even with 4k of bombs in it), just for fun i would like to see turn charts for the a20 vs the other 2 engine planes we are talking about.
110 will eat an A20. :)
Calling cobia38 to the scene! :bolt:
That's an under statement.. 110 eats F4Us and spits.Only incompetently flown F4Us and Spitfires, which makes your claim useless. Equal skill the F4U and Spitfire will utterly dominate the Bf110.
The 410 is just a good buff hunter. I love how a new plane gets added and "it's not as great as I thought it would be" posts start.Nein nein nein nein! Der Focke Wulf ist!
Low to medium alts it like the 110.
High alt (25 - 30 k) and its a bit worthless. I had to let some Lanc's walk last night.
It's not as nimble as a 110 so don't turn fight.
I have numbers based on my own tests. All twin engined fighters have the advantage over the A-20G, unless they turn with it. They are all faster and climb better (though the climb advantage of the Me410 is marginal against an unladen A-20G).
Only incompetently flown F4Us and Spitfires, which makes your claim useless. Equal skill the F4U and Spitfire will utterly dominate the Bf110.
How nice it is to have a civil discussion about these things. Not like back in the day... Me likes! :cheers:
All the Mossi has to do is get the A20 in a shallow spiral climb. The Mossi only needs to keep the speeds above 250TAS and vertical as much as possible. Speed, climb, and acceleration all favor the Mossi in a big way. Turn radius favors the A20 but not by much, not enough to really even make mention of it. The 110 has the edge as well. **I cant believe I'm defending the Mossi and 110 vs the A20**
The only difference between DB 605A and 605B is the propeller gear, 605A has an 1,685:1 reduction gear while the 605B has an 1,875:1 reduction gear (i.e. spinning the prop at less rev given the same engine revs).
Similar subvariants were planned for 605AS (605BS) and 605D (605E) and were existing for the DB 601 although with different prop gears.
The only difference is from then and now is you aren't accusing HTC of some kind of anti-Luftwaffe bias.
Wa this done because of discovering super-sonic speeds of the prop tip :headscratch: :headscratch: we fount to be inefficient waste of power?Must be some airflow efficiency thing. The same engine in different vehicles, one weighting 1 tonne while the other 2 tonnes, would have different transmission ratios optimized for the different weight vehicles. Just guessing - torque vs horsepower.
:headscratch:
Assuming you can force the A20 to that position in order to be roped. It's not hard at all if you have even 1K of alt over the A20. It's when your slower/lower or in an equal E fight like in the DA. Cobia wins in the MA because newbies underestimate the A20 and start burning all their E to try to get on it's 6.
Other than a slow, tight, and sustained turn how does the A20 defeat the Mossi when the pilots are equal in skill level? The A20 isnt going to be able to reposition once it gets on the defensive unlike the Mossi, a simple greater than 90° angle away with the nose down and WEP on will get the Mossi out of gun range and able to reset the fight using superior speed and climb.
Well, the results are in:
A20 vs P51D - cobia
A20 vs P40N - cobia
A20 vs 109G6 - titan
A20 vs A6M3 - titan
A20 vs A6M5 - titan
A20 vs P38J - titan
Then we did A20 vs A20 twice, it was a tie (would've done more, but I had to log).
With the exception of the P40s and Zekes, I basically won by going vertical. The Zekes outclasses the A20 completely (as it should), though I was talking to cobia, and like I said before, he killed Zekes/Hurris by BnZing them but with an altitude advantage, in an equal E fight, Zeke wins hands down. The 51D fight was interesting. At first I was going vertical with him and although he couldn't get a shot on me, neither could I due to the crappy low speed handling. Once I started TnBing with cobia, the A20 won eventually after I used up all my E. 51D just kept snap stalling everytime I made a move under 100mph.
:salute Cobia, fun fights all around.
The only difference is from then and now is you aren't accusing HTC of some kind of anti-Luftwaffe bias.
Knew it wouldn't last...
I recall somebody doing a duel between the old Mosquito Mk VI and the A-20G when somebody was insisting the A-20G was superior. The result was the A-20G had a brief long range shot on the Mosquito that resulted in a few holes. The A-20G player said he had underestimated the degree to which their climb rates were different and once the Mosquito was above him there was nothing he could do.
The old Mosquito Mk VI was noticeably inferior to the current Mosquito Mk VI.
Get better aim. :) :DThe Mossie is pretty tough and long range .50 fire tends to scatter over the aircraft even if accurate.
Enough talk....to the DA! :bolt:I am at work....
Other than a slow, tight, and sustained turn how does the A20 defeat the Mossi when the pilots are equal in skill level? The A20 isnt going to be able to reposition once it gets on the defensive unlike the Mossi, a simple greater than 90° angle away with the nose down and WEP on will get the Mossi out of gun range and able to reset the fight using superior speed and climb.
In a dogfight an A20 has the capability of absolutely dominating a mossie. It can snaproll in a way a mossie simply can not, it has superior rudder control as well.
This come down to the pilot knowing their aircraft and using those advantages against their opponents weaknesses. In theory the mossie should dominate the A20, it is faster and has a better rate of climb, and handles far better at speed. (defining qualities imho of what makes an airplane superior).
But in actuality it comes down to the pilot, and if he's flying his A20 as a fighter, and his opponent is flying as an attack aircraft, he is going to win.
Equal skill low and slow I believe that the mossie will win do to lack practiced skill dogfighting either. With two expierenced pilots of either aircraft I bet the A20 will win.
Im neither very good in the A20 or the Mossie, but I'll gladly do a duel with anyone who's up for a challenge.My in game name is Karnak. I have the next few days off and should be able to arrange a time to meet and play around.
Karnak, what's your IGN? I would love to duel a Mossie pilot.
The old Mosquito Mk VI was noticeably inferior to the current Mosquito Mk VI.Generally yes, but not in every way.
410 is probably deadly against bombers if it will ever catch one.
WEP does not equal water injection. Very few actually use water injection. Those that do experience a loss of fuel consumption as compared to military power. The rest burn a lot more fuel.Sorry for the ignorance.
Sorry for the ignorance.No, just higher boost. All Merlin, Griffon and Allison aircraft are the same in that regard.
The Mossie has Merlin engines. Those did not use water injection for WEP?
Hungarian produced 210Cas never had mw50 as a factory default. As long as i know, the DB605Bs produced 1450-70Hp at 1.42 ata, but the plane itself was a bit lighter than the Ah's 410. Its top speed on the deck was around 318-324. Anyway, its not inportant since AH has DB-603-equipped 410s.
That's an under statement.. 110 eats F4Us and spits.
<-- Flew the 110 as a fighter before it was cool. :PLove it!! Am sooooo disappointed....had such hopes for the 410. :cry
What were you hoping for? The 410 is a tad slower in speed and climb than I expected, the rest is pretty much as I expected.This is pretty much exactly it for me as well. I never thought it was going to be a turner as the wing loading is so high.
I'm not entirely sure it's game limitations. They could have fit more options in there with the available hangar space. Even the no-forward-MGs options, or external bombs, gunpod, on the DT/WGR column. Point of order: Lose the DTs if you need to put something more representative in! They made it to London and back on internal fuel only. They rarely used DTs.
Also, I'm a bit.... "worried" about the handling. It seems very touchy. I can move my stick back half a degree and even at moderate speeds the slats pop out instantly. Not even more than 1G and those things are out constantly. It's bleeding speed like mad. Not sure why.
Slats deploy according to angle of attack, it has nothing to do with speed or G load.I thought it was due to air pressure, or the lack thereof.
I thought it was due to air pressure, or the lack thereof.
Changing the angle of attack is what changes the air pressure.Right, so air pressure is the primary thing, angle of attack is one of the methods to reduce air pressure to trigger it. The other being low speed.
<-- Flew the 110 as a fighter before it was cool. :P
I flew one of the funnest 110C sorties in the LWA I've ever had the evening that the 410 was released. :devilHow many Me410s did you bag?
How many Me410s did you bag?
Right, so air pressure is the primary thing, angle of attack is one of the methods to reduce air pressure to trigger it. The other being low speed.
You can't fly slowly without the angle of attack that deploys slats at any speed.You can fall slowly though. Also roll along the ground. :p
The slats are not spring loaded or anything like that, and will gladly stay retracted on the ground at zero speed. However with airflow and angle of attack the slats extended when the stagnation point moves below the leading edge. The stagnation point is the point on a wing (section) leading edge, that marks the divide between air going over the wing, and air going under the wing. The slats are literally blown out from below the wing and sucked out from above. At low angle of attack the same forces act to keep the slat retracted.Ah. Did not know that. Thought they were spring loaded. Thanks for the correction.
(http://www.fubarhill.com/images/slat1.jpg)
You can fall slowly though. Also roll along the ground. :p
If you can fly a slat plane without opening them, you won't experience the huge "E drain" the slats give you.
I only "get on the slats" when I'm willing to trade E for position.
Whenever you increase lift you increase drag. This is true for flaps, slats, or just flying near the stall at max lift coefficient. You are correct to avoid turning harder than you need to but slats are high lift devices not high drag devices. The design is very clever in that, unlike flaps, German WW2 movable slats only come out when you need them and they retract when you don't.Developed by, if I recall, Westland in the UK. The Mosquito was going to have them as well, but one flight testing they found it to be more agile than expected and decided it didn't need the slats so they omitted them.
Handley-Page in Britain. They bought it from Gustav Lachmann who patented it in Germany in 1918. So it's an Anglo-German gizmo thingy.Ah. At work with no references so I was running on a fuzzy memory.
I've read that Messerschmitt actually payed licence royalties to Handley-Page for the slats used on the 109 and 110. Never seen it substantiated in any way though.Seems likely as those are prewar designs.
Yup. I've even read stories that Messerschmitt continued to pay royalties during the war, through banks in Switzerland. Again totally unsubstantiated of course, but it is not outside the realm of possibility. War or no war, business is business.Also possible. I know Finland kept paying is loan dept to the US during the war even though we considered them hostile due to their alliance with Germany.
Yup. I've even read stories that Messerschmitt continued to pay royalties during the war, through banks in Switzerland. Again totally unsubstantiated of course, but it is not outside the realm of possibility. War or no war, business is business.
On the contrary; I find it very interesting that the Hungarians managed similar S/L speed with about 600 hp less... Can you share the source of that info?Sorry for the late answer, i didnt have net for a couple days.
I'm aware that air pressure makes the slots pop out, but still, even on the mildest of manuevers they pop out. As a player that's enjoyed 109s and 110s for many years now, I have learned a gentle touch, and to fly above the stall to prevent E-bleed, but the 410 that's impossible. It's bleeding nonstop. It doesn't seem right, hence why I'm worried about the accuracy of the current flight model.
You tell me how...
so slats are the banging i hear in the 109s
Sorry for the late answer, i didnt have net for a couple days.Give the 410 a horsepower or thrust boost, then it will match up to the actual sea level and best alt. speeds, also climbrate.
Unfortunately only rumours in the hungarian flight simmers community (mostly il-2 tho)
During the era of the communism, everything from before 1945 was destroyed, maybe thats why i couldnt find any factory data.
There are books written by emmigrant pilots, mostly from the old 101st "Puma" fighter squadron, the rumours are usually referring to those memoires.
Yup, Sir, im not a reliable source :uhoh
All i can say, that "600 less horses" is still 2950 in a 17-18000lbs aircraft, if that makes sense.
If the P47-d40 has higher wingload than the 410, there's def. a little trouble in Paradise, as the Jug can literally fly circles around the Messer.It doesn't.
Anybody experienced any funky stalls in 410? I have.
It flicks quite easily into a flat stall that is guaranteed to take you down to turf with no chance to recover.
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Patch 4 tweaked the damage model on the 410, according to the notes. Anybody notice any difference as of today?
Patch 4 tweaked the damage model on the 410, according to the notes. Anybody notice any difference as of today?
should be noted it was really the pilot wound/kill that was moded I believe
Never lost rear fuselage or tail, consistently lose wings still.
The pilot doesn't die first time, every time, any more, but I am still worried about the damage. The wings seem very fragile. Seemed to me it was the entire wing on one side that went 3 or 4 sorties in a row, from any kind of fire.
Also, it says the ENTIRE wing is gone but the half-wing out past the engine is still there and the engine is running. Wouldn't the entire wing mean that was gone? Not sure if that's a bug or some kind of oversight, or what?
I've also been noticing a severe locking up of the elevators in shallow dives even with dive brakes out. Anybody else getting this?