Me410

[GScholz]

Different propellers would be my guess. Larger, slower propellers are more effective at low-medium air speeds, so for bomber/transport applications perhaps? Later DB's didn't have a B model (was planned but abandoned) and that makes sense since DB's were prioritized for fighters.

[Denniss]

Prop wasn't changed, at least I havn't read about a different prop in manuals.

[SmokinLoon]

Assuming you can force the A20 to that position in order to be roped. It's not hard at all if you have even 1K of alt over the A20. It's when your slower/lower or in an equal E fight like in the DA. Cobia wins in the MA because newbies underestimate the A20 and start burning all their E to try to get on it's 6.

Other than a slow, tight, and sustained turn how does the A20 defeat the Mossi when the pilots are equal in skill level?  The A20 isnt going to be able to reposition once it gets on the defensive unlike the Mossi, a simple greater than 90° angle away with the nose down and WEP on will get the Mossi out of gun range and able to reset the fight using superior speed and climb.

 

[titanic3]

Other than a slow, tight, and sustained turn how does the A20 defeat the Mossi when the pilots are equal in skill level?  The A20 isnt going to be able to reposition once it gets on the defensive unlike the Mossi, a simple greater than 90° angle away with the nose down and WEP on will get the Mossi out of gun range and able to reset the fight using superior speed and climb.

 

In the MA yea, A20 stands no chance because the Mossie can just run and reset the fight whenever it wants to. In a DA cage match where the Mossie is forced to fight, you'd be surprised.  

Here's my response after dueling cobia (the only one who flies the A20 like a fighter in the MA).

Well, the results are in:

A20 vs P51D - cobia
A20 vs P40N - cobia
A20 vs 109G6 - titan
A20 vs A6M3 - titan
A20 vs A6M5 - titan
A20 vs P38J - titan

Then we did A20 vs A20 twice, it was a tie (would've done more, but I had to log).

With the exception of the P40s and Zekes, I basically won by going vertical. The Zekes outclasses the A20 completely (as it should), though I was talking to cobia, and like I said before, he killed Zekes/Hurris by BnZing them but with an altitude advantage, in an equal E fight, Zeke wins hands down. The 51D fight was interesting. At first I was going vertical with him and although he couldn't get a shot on me, neither could I due to the crappy low speed handling. Once I started TnBing with cobia, the A20 won eventually after I used up all my E. 51D just kept snap stalling everytime I made a move under 100mph.

  Cobia, fun fights all around.

If you dive away in a 1v1 DA cage match like you suggested, it's still going give the A20 a window of time to fire at your 6 before you get out of range. And 8x 50s are no joke, even with a .5 second burst, which is all an A20 needs to kill you.

I'd rather myself or cobia show it to you in the DA (friendly challenge, don't take it the wrong way). Much easier to show than it is to describe.


Edit: Im in the MA right now. Just ask for titanic3.

[Karnak]

I recall somebody doing a duel between the old Mosquito Mk VI and the A-20G when somebody was insisting the A-20G was superior.  The result was the A-20G had a brief long range shot on the Mosquito that resulted in a few holes.  The A-20G player said he had underestimated the degree to which their climb rates were different and once the Mosquito was above him there was nothing he could do.

The old Mosquito Mk VI was noticeably inferior to the current Mosquito Mk VI.

[Delirium]

The only difference is from then and now is you aren't accusing HTC of some kind of anti-Luftwaffe bias.

Knew it wouldn't last...

Just pointing out reality, sorry to snap you back into it.

[titanic3]

I recall somebody doing a duel between the old Mosquito Mk VI and the A-20G when somebody was insisting the A-20G was superior.  The result was the A-20G had a brief long range shot on the Mosquito that resulted in a few holes.  The A-20G player said he had underestimated the degree to which their climb rates were different and once the Mosquito was above him there was nothing he could do.

The old Mosquito Mk VI was noticeably inferior to the current Mosquito Mk VI.

Get better aim.   

[Karnak]

Get better aim.   

The Mossie is pretty tough and long range .50 fire tends to scatter over the aircraft even if accurate.

[titanic3]

Enough talk....to the DA! 

[Karnak]

Enough talk....to the DA! 

I am at work....

[MK-84]

Other than a slow, tight, and sustained turn how does the A20 defeat the Mossi when the pilots are equal in skill level?  The A20 isnt going to be able to reposition once it gets on the defensive unlike the Mossi, a simple greater than 90° angle away with the nose down and WEP on will get the Mossi out of gun range and able to reset the fight using superior speed and climb.

 

In a dogfight an A20 has the capability of absolutely dominating a mossie.  It can snaproll in a way a mossie simply can not, it has superior rudder control as well. 

This come down to the pilot knowing their aircraft and using those advantages against their opponents weaknesses. In theory the mossie should dominate the A20, it is faster and has a better rate of climb, and handles far better at speed. (defining qualities imho of what makes an airplane superior). 

But in actuality it comes down to the pilot, and if he's flying his A20 as a fighter, and his opponent is flying as an attack aircraft, he is going to win.

Equal skill low and slow I believe that the mossie will win do to lack practiced skill dogfighting either.  With two expierenced pilots of either aircraft I bet the A20 will win.

[titanic3]

In a dogfight an A20 has the capability of absolutely dominating a mossie.  It can snaproll in a way a mossie simply can not, it has superior rudder control as well. 

This come down to the pilot knowing their aircraft and using those advantages against their opponents weaknesses. In theory the mossie should dominate the A20, it is faster and has a better rate of climb, and handles far better at speed. (defining qualities imho of what makes an airplane superior). 

But in actuality it comes down to the pilot, and if he's flying his A20 as a fighter, and his opponent is flying as an attack aircraft, he is going to win.

Equal skill low and slow I believe that the mossie will win do to lack practiced skill dogfighting either.  With two expierenced pilots of either aircraft I bet the A20 will win.

Im neither very good in the A20 or the Mossie, but I'll gladly do a duel with anyone who's up for a challenge.

Karnak, what's your IGN? I would love to duel a Mossie pilot.

[Guppy35]

Lets just say that the 410s won't be getting to the bombers unless they bring a lot of 109s and 190s as escorts.

[Karnak]

Im neither very good in the A20 or the Mossie, but I'll gladly do a duel with anyone who's up for a challenge.

Karnak, what's your IGN? I would love to duel a Mossie pilot.

My in game name is Karnak.  I have the next few days off and should be able to arrange a time to meet and play around.

[bozon]

The old Mosquito Mk VI was noticeably inferior to the current Mosquito Mk VI.

Generally yes, but not in every way.

The old Mossie with the off center of gravity had better MIL power and better elevator authority (as long as you were able to avoid the sudden stall and spin). Not sure about the roll rate, but the new mossie feels slightly slower in the roll than I remembered.

The new Mossie has a mega-WEP. It absolutely relies on it in tight fights and for escaping/chasing. It also increase the fuel consumption rate by an insane amount - for every 5 minutes of WEP you loose additional 2 min of flight time in full MIL power. So 5 min in WEP is like 7 minutes in MIL. I thought WEP was mostly adding water to the mixture, not that much more fuel.

Anyway, I took the 410 for a spin and was disgusted - parked it and will only up one again to attack GVs. It is a pure attack plane, nothing like a mossie. I only engaged one while flying a Mossie and easily out maneuvered it. 410 is probably deadly against bombers if it will ever catch one. The A20 is a dangerous opponent in low speeds and confined spaces. This is because it can maneuver at very low speeds, take damage and has deadly guns that reach far. These are qualities that make a good dueler in the hands of a good pilot. In a large scale engagement, I am not sure it will do as well. The 190D is the exact opposite, it is a poor dueling plane but exquisite ride in large scale encounters as many scenarios and FSO events showed.

p.s., take away the F3 view from the A20 and it will be in serious trouble regarding SA.