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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Happy1 on December 18, 2012, 12:17:54 AM
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Greetings every1, I've a big problem, I'm using Windows Vista Home
Premium 32-bit SP2, IntelCore2 CPU 6400@2.13 GHz, 4.0GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4600 series, presently of 465 GB I've 397 free GB.
My problem, some how my Autologin on the Welcome Screen was REPLACED by an Icon with Logon underneath, I'm also the administrator. This new logon screen interrupts whatever I'm doing or whichever movie or film I'm watching by abruptly sending me back to the Welcome Login screen necessitating my clicking on my
Icon to send me back to where I was.
I searched the Internet, Google, Vista help, Vista Info, Microsoft plus
advice from friends with NO solution to this pain in the arse problem!
Would some1 pls render assistance as to how I may get back to the
Autologin screen? Thx much.
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Vista is bad news in general. You'll do better by taking the Windows8 upgrade for 40 bucks. I've seen multiple users very happy after the upgrade from Vista (setting aside the user interface issues with W8).
Autologin has no screen, it logs you automatically to your desktop.
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"Start" "Run" enter netplwiz and hit ok. Uncheck "Users must enter username and password..." and hit ok. Enter your username and password.
Now your system will not have a username or password at all but this is VERY unsecure.
If you dont like that (I dont) then you should try TweakUAC:
http://www.winability.com/tweak-uac/
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"Start" "Run" enter netplwiz and hit ok. Uncheck "Users must enter username and password..." and hit ok. Enter your username and password.
Now your system will not have a username or password at all but this is VERY unsecure.
If you dont like that (I dont) then you should try TweakUAC:
http://www.winability.com/tweak-uac/
I think he doesn't really mean autologin as that has no 'screen' that could be replaced. I'm guessing that he might have no password set and his screensaver or power options are cutting his display mid-use. If that is the case he needs to untick the 'require login' checkbox from the screensaver settings.
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I thought of that and also the possibility that he is working under Windows Server with a session limitation in place which is actually what he is describing. But I also remember how Vista shipped and how the first service pack changed the login screen which is what I thought his problem was because he did not mention Server.
The last time I heard of this was a Remote Desktop session into Server that had session limitations enforced when the system sensed idle periods. Now I'm thinking it could be the system is sensing idle periods and going into automatic logoff. This would be a configuration setting in the Power Management Options which is the next place I would look.
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I thought of that and also the possibility that he is working under Windows Server with a session limitation in place which is actually what he is describing. But I also remember how Vista shipped and how the first service pack changed the login screen which is what I thought his problem was because he did not mention Server.
The last time I heard of this was a Remote Desktop session into Server that had session limitations enforced when the system sensed idle periods. Now I'm thinking it could be the system is sensing idle periods and going into automatic logoff. This would be a configuration setting in the Power Management Options which is the next place I would look.
But didn't he say he had Vista Home? If he would have a server version with Vista like interface that would be Server 2003.
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Yes like I said he didnt mention Server so I would look under Power Management.
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Greetings & Salutations MrRiplEy & Chalenge:
Thx ever so much for ur help, for the present, MrRiplEy, I took ur advice & am currently downloading Windows 8 for $40.00 ... molto grazie! Re my problem I've no password set, save as Administrator. Seemingly power options are cutting in during idle moments, such as now, necessitating my clicking on my Welcome screen Icon w/my name & LOCKED underneath, to get back to this reply.
Chalenge, u r so right, my system seems to sense idle periods, such as typing, watching movies & no mouse movements & automatically logs me off.I tried resetting the Power settings but with no success, I'm able to check (peruse) the options time-wise given from 1 minute to 5hrs & Never. Tried resetting for 1 minute w/o success, 5 hours same results & the Never setting, none seem to work! The Icon Locked reappears. Advanced setting has different options which I
don't understand...what should I set or change or do?? I solicit ur expertise in this unfortunate matter. Thank you.
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But didn't he say he had Vista Home? If he would have a server version with Vista like interface that would be Server 2003.
Server 2003 / XP = based on NT 5.x
Server 2008 / Vista = based on NT 6.0
Server 2008R2 / Win7 = based on NT 6.1
Server 2012 / Win 8 = based on NT 6.2
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As much as Vista was a lousy OS, Windows 7 would have been a better choice, than Windows 8.
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As much as Vista was a lousy OS, Windows 7 would have been a better choice, than Windows 8.
If you're ready to pay him the price difference, why not...
Win8 benchmarks have shown similar performance with W7 in gaming. In fact I'm still using the free preview in my other gaming box.
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If you're ready to pay him the price difference, why not...
People should pay for their mistakes, and learn something out of it. You shouldn't suggest to those who rushed to get Vista to commit another and pay for turd like win 8 is.
It's definitely worth to pay extra $50 (win 7 upgrade goes for under $100) for a decent win version until better alternative arrives, either win 9 or something else.
Win8 benchmarks have shown similar performance with W7 in gaming. In fact I'm still using the free preview in my other gaming box.
Basically, there's not much going for win 8, except extra pain down the road...
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People should pay for their mistakes, and learn something out of it. You shouldn't suggest to those who rushed to get Vista to commit another and pay for turd like win 8 is.
It's definitely worth to pay extra $50 (win 7 upgrade goes for under $100) for a decent win version until better alternative arrives, either win 9 or something else.
Basically, there's not much going for win 8, except extra pain down the road...
2bighorn, how much experience do you personally have from using windows 8? It has served me without any troubles for the duration of 6 months I've had it installed - and I know many others who have the same experience.
So tell me, how long exactly have you used windows 8 to give such an expert opinnion on it?
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Chalenge, u r so right, my system seems to sense idle periods, such as typing, watching movies & no mouse movements & automatically logs me off.I tried resetting the Power settings but with no success, I'm able to check (peruse) the options time-wise given from 1 minute to 5hrs & Never. Tried resetting for 1 minute w/o success, 5 hours same results & the Never setting, none seem to work! The Icon Locked reappears. Advanced setting has different options which I
don't understand...what should I set or change or do?? I solicit ur expertise in this unfortunate matter. Thank you.
It sounds like you have Hybrid Sleep Mode enabled. Boot into Windows in Safe Mode. The go "Start" "Control Panel" "Power Options" and select "Change Plan Settings." Go to the advanced power settings and select "Change power settings that are currently unavailable." Under "Sleep" set Hybrid Sleep to OFF. Click OK.
It is very likely that one of your devices has a driver in need of update. Reboot and restart Windows normally. Check for updates for your devices through windows (NOT video drivers). Lastly setup a new power profile and see if it works without going into sleep mode. I use "Never" on all power settings myself but thats not for everyone.
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Somehow my ability of reading English has faded, but if I understand the problem correctly, your computer automatically puts you into the Logon screen when idle? Kudos to all contributors, but one thing I couldn't find mentioned in this thread is the ScreenSaver settings. Now, I don't have a Vista computer at hands and can't remember for sure, but I guess this Microsoft page (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Turn-your-screen-saver-on-or-off) gives the necessary information. Although you haven't mentioned actually seeing the screen saver before the Logon screen, it certainly doesn't hurt to disable it for uninterrupted movie experience. Also see that the tick mark is set not to go to Logon screen after a ScreenSaver.
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So tell me, how long exactly have you used windows 8 to give such an expert opinnion on it?
Since August 2012
(http://sierra-host.net/bb/capture.png)
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Since August 2012
(http://sierra-host.net/bb/capture.png)
Ok, now I guess you can specify what in your expert opinnion makes Windows8 a worse option compared to W7. Leave the user interface out of the discussion as it takes only a few minutes to adapt to.
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Leave the user interface out of the discussion as it takes only a few minutes to adapt to.
Are you serious? We are not talking embedded appliance PCs or servers here. Key words: Desktop OS. Without touching one of the most important aspects of any modern desktop OS, which is UI, any discussion is moot.
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Sort of like talking about how dangerous a rocket launch is, but forbidding the discussion of the rocket itself.
Windows 7 has far more flexibility that Windows 8 does. Windows 7 has also been available long enough to be stable and documented enough to work around various issues.
That is just the tip of that Windows 8 iceberg.
Windows 8, just say no.
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Ever studied digital design, Ripley? Windows 8 has been the topic of discussion in many classes. Windows 8 is designed to attract people into computers that have no business using computers. It is designed to appear friendly and easy and openly invites users to trust the computer with all aspects of their lives.
See any problem there? I dont mean for hard core users that are already suspicious of sharing. . . I mean for the bambi in the woods type of user.
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So if I am reading this right I am being told Windows 8 is tha bomb and better than windows 7?
Well I tried windows 8 and all I can say is it is pure trash, simply put.
1st reason it is a touch screen based OS, for this without the convience of a touch screen it is awkward to use.
2nd reason it actually removed drivers for some of my MB basically rendering my USB 3 ports totally useless.
3rd reason it is a pain in the ( i ) to get to shut down, move courser to upper right side, click setting, then click power management, then click power off. Vs click start, then power off.
3rd reason If I want to go visit adult sites to view things I don't want what I view no matter to be going into a data base. Yes I know you will tell me that Windows's 7 does the same thing but alas not to the extent of windows 8.
4th reason I want to start on my desktop not on a separate screen then have to click on another icon to get to the desktop, can you say redundancy?
And those are just a few of the easy ones that are noticeable,
Ohh and per someone else's thread. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342960.0.html
If I want to back up my computer I will do it without having to go through 90 friggen steps to do it.
Rant off
Crazylwn
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Ever studied digital design, Ripley? Windows 8 has been the topic of discussion in many classes. Windows 8 is designed to attract people into computers that have no business using computers. It is designed to appear friendly and easy and openly invites users to trust the computer with all aspects of their lives.
See any problem there? I dont mean for hard core users that are already suspicious of sharing. . . I mean for the bambi in the woods type of user.
You're totally wrong. There are no people 'who have no business using computers'. You're very racist in saying so. It's similar to saying that handicapped people have no business going to public offices. Who needs ramps and elevators, right?
I've seen first hand that people who have 5 thumbs as fingers using computers adapt nicely to W8. It may be inconvenient for the rest of us who already learned the "windows way" of thinking but it can be overcome easily if you leave your prejudice home. I went through this process already with Apple/OSX and that was very irritating to say the least. But doing that for the second time with W8 is not so bad anymore. You have to adapt and evolve. The only thing that IS irritating is that the previous versions are still used and as a computer professional you need to learn and/or remember all the different approaches of UI now.
The GUI aside Win8 is pretty much the same as W7 with some improvements in functionality.
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So if I am reading this right I am being told Windows 8 is tha bomb and better than windows 7?
Well I tried windows 8 and all I can say is it is pure trash, simply put.
1st reason it is a touch screen based OS, for this without the convience of a touch screen it is awkward to use.
No, it's a hybrid. I'm not a fan of this decision either.
2nd reason it actually removed drivers for some of my MB basically rendering my USB 3 ports totally useless.
So you didn't do the hardware compatibility check before installing the OS. Your mistake. Did you try searching for updated drivers?
3rd reason it is a pain in the ( i ) to get to shut down, move courser to upper right side, click setting, then click power management, then click power off. Vs click start, then power off.
Oh the pain. W8 both boots up and revives from sleep many times faster than W7 or XP out of the box. It's not meant to be rebooted daily, just set your power options to put it to sleep after a few minutes of idle.
3rd reason If I want to go visit adult sites to view things I don't want what I view no matter to be going into a data base. Yes I know you will tell me that Windows's 7 does the same thing but alas not to the extent of windows 8.
Why do you worry about that? Are you going to illegal sites or what? The windows database is the _least_ of your worries. Google along facebook is the one you should worry about as it tracks every single movement you do online. Nearly every website nowadays has Google based functions or ads which track every single webpage you happen to use. And sell that info forward - something that MS AFAIK does not. Google streetview has mapped your neighborhood, ripped off your wireless network info if you have one and eavesdropped on your traffic to see your hardware id:s. So Google knows where you live, which computers you use / own and what are their IP:s and which pages you visit. They sell this info to anyone willing to pay for it. With augmented reality and virtual targeting ads coming live soon you're going to be precision bombed with ads of your personal preference such as has happened to some sorry bastages who had their active facebook logins ripped by adult sites and advertised on their profile LOL!
4th reason I want to start on my desktop not on a separate screen then have to click on another icon to get to the desktop, can you say redundancy?
You can make w8 boot straight into desktop very easily - and even get the old start menu. Install startisback, start8 or similar.
If I want to back up my computer I will do it without having to go through 90 friggen steps to do it.
The backup is just a couple mouseclicks away - you just need to know where to look.
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The windows database is the _least_ of your worries. Google along facebook is the one you should worry about as it tracks every single movement you do online. Nearly every website nowadays has Google based functions or ads which track every single webpage you happen to use. And sell that info forward - something that MS AFAIK does not. Google streetview has mapped your neighborhood, ripped off your wireless network info if you have one and eavesdropped on your traffic to see your hardware id:s. So Google knows where you live, which computers you use / own and what are their IP:s and which pages you visit. They sell this info to anyone willing to pay for it. With augmented reality and virtual targeting ads coming live soon you're going to be precision bombed with ads of your personal preference such as has happened to some sorry bastages who had their active facebook logins ripped by adult sites and advertised on their profile LOL!
AFAIK Google can make guesses about my whereabouts only based on my IP address. With the dynamic IP policy they can't even tell for sure in which town I live. Mobile broadband can give even more erraneous results concerning physical existence. Alright, they have my house displayed but how can they connect that picture to my current IP address?
OTOH MS likes to get all kind of optional information alongside with the Windows registration. Same goes for Hewlett-Packard, Symantec etc. If you give them your name, address, e-mail and whatever for "enhanced service facilities, information of updates and special offers only for you", then they really have or can get all the information discussed above.
You can make w8 boot straight into desktop very easily - and even get the old start menu. Install startisback, start8 or similar.
Can such 3rd party programs be trusted to work even after ServicePacks? I mean, no harm done if my own rig goes awry with some modification, but would you take the same risk with a customer?
The backup is just a couple mouseclicks away - you just need to know where to look.
Most people don't even know what a backup means, not to mention the built-in facilities their current OS gives. Just think about it: You still can find a bunch of 100 year old photos in some attic, even someone who still can recognize the people and places in them. Even with the corners folded or torn. Do you think your descendants would be able to restore a DVD, or a USB stick or an outboard HDD even if they were intact? I've got some floppies from the dawn of the era of digital photography (about 13 years old), made by the developer from negatives. How many of you still have a floppy drive? How many of you have re-backupped such rarities to a more modern media?
How did all this relate to the Welcome Screen Logon Blues? :bolt:
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AFAIK Google can make guesses about my whereabouts only based on my IP address. With the dynamic IP policy they can't even tell for sure in which town I live. Mobile broadband can give even more erraneous results concerning physical existence. Alright, they have my house displayed but how can they connect that picture to my current IP address?
Google can and will harvest much more information from your computer than just the IP, especially those who have installed Chrome spyware on their computers :) Also your dynamic IP is not very dynamic at all unless you're still using a dial-up modem. In reality your modem routers MAC address keeps a steady IP that's selected from the ISP:s IP pool for you on first contact. If you happen to use any services that uses Google ad sense or embedded search, you can bet they know your e-mail address and possibly even the true name along with banking information etc. You'd be surprised how many websites actually incorporate some Google API such as in-site search. It all conveniently flows back to them.
OTOH MS likes to get all kind of optional information alongside with the Windows registration. Same goes for Hewlett-Packard, Symantec etc. If you give them your name, address, e-mail and whatever for "enhanced service facilities, information of updates and special offers only for you", then they really have or can get all the information discussed above.
That information is optional, Google then again spies on you like it or not - and gains billions collectively in doing so. In fact selling peoples information is the main business for it.
Can such 3rd party programs be trusted to work even after ServicePacks? I mean, no harm done if my own rig goes awry with some modification, but would you take the same risk with a customer?
Who knows. Then again it takes about 5 minutes to familiarize yourself to the new start screen and a couple key shortcuts (such as pressing win key and typing to start a search etc.)
Most people don't even know what a backup means, not to mention the built-in facilities their current OS gives.
That's not the issue when the person I responded to was claiming it takes 90 steps to perform a backup. This is not true. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,342960.0.html
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Sounds scary, especially the banking information part. Do you mean that we even can't trust sites using https for sensitive information? I have seen even banking sites that have both secure and nonsecure items on them, and I've learned that in the very worst scenario the nonsecure part might be contaminated. But do you really mean that a site with a Google API or such can spy for information given on secure sites not related to the site where the API is?
For what I've seen in my modem's admin tools, my IP seems to change every once in awhile, although staying the same for at least days if not weeks. Sometimes I stumble upon a page that tries to "offer local services" based on my IP, but for the most part they miss by some 50 km. With mobile broadband I've noticed that the location is given to the operator's headquarter town, at least some of them.
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Sounds scary, especially the banking information part. Do you mean that we even can't trust sites using https for sensitive information? I have seen even banking sites that have both secure and nonsecure items on them, and I've learned that in the very worst scenario the nonsecure part might be contaminated. But do you really mean that a site with a Google API or such can spy for information given on secure sites not related to the site where the API is?
For what I've seen in my modem's admin tools, my IP seems to change every once in awhile, although staying the same for at least days if not weeks. Sometimes I stumble upon a page that tries to "offer local services" based on my IP, but for the most part they miss by some 50 km. With mobile broadband I've noticed that the location is given to the operator's headquarter town, at least some of them.
What I meant by 'banking information' is that at least theoretically Google could intercept your saving credit card information to some paid service online. Theoretically...
They go to great lengths to harvest information from people and they know well how scary it is. That's why they created the motto 'we're not evil' :)
At least my adsl connection never changes IP unless I spoof the mac address or change hardware.
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You're totally wrong. There are no people 'who have no business using computers'. You're very racist in saying so. It's similar to saying that handicapped people have no business going to public offices. Who needs ramps and elevators, right?. . .
Wrong. My mother would get her identity stolen within the first few hours if she just went to town, bought a laptop with Windows 8, and started surfing the net for friends, family, sewing, quilting. . .
The net is unsafe for the uninitiated and unfortunately Windows 8 appeals to older people that do not have a clue how to protect themselves. Its designed that way. Worse, the 'brilliant' programmers at MS have never been good at closing security holes.
So she uses it for a few years if she is really lucky and then throws it away and buys a new one. Someone retrieves it from the bin and BOOM! . . . open book.
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Merry Xmas & A Happy New Year every1 :cheers:
I was the one (1) who started this thread, & must admit I sincerely appreciated & learned much from the controversy this thread started :) For one (1) I followed MrRiplEy's advice re. Windows8 (W8), downloaded it & was briefly lost in what to do next, thereby I started my internet browsing in search for W8, short cuts, tips , etc to further my studious nature. I was rewarded with tons of info to make my W8 experience pleasurable. Woops no "Start Button", solution 'Start8.com'.
Further search enabled me to locate a choice of menus from Classical, XP, Vista & Windows7, I selected Windows XP start menu, my all-time favorite with Start Button. My memory came back as to how everything was setup in XP, I'm happy & quite familiar with
W8, but am studying, online, W8 tutorials to become better versed
in the intricacies of something very new, so far so good & NO problems. I love W8 & all the info I'm gleaning from it!
Btw, I no longer have any probs with "Windows Logon Screen' thx to
Chalenge's solution to my query. Hope this helps, education is the key to SUCCESS. :aok
Happy1
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Wrong. My mother would get her identity stolen within the first few hours if she just went to town, bought a laptop with Windows 8, and started surfing the net for friends, family, sewing, quilting. . .
The net is unsafe for the uninitiated and unfortunately Windows 8 appeals to older people that do not have a clue how to protect themselves. Its designed that way. Worse, the 'brilliant' programmers at MS have never been good at closing security holes.
So she uses it for a few years if she is really lucky and then throws it away and buys a new one. Someone retrieves it from the bin and BOOM! . . . open book.
So in your opinnion your mother should not be able to handle her affairs online. Nice way to make her old days as difficult as possible. To do banking she'll have to walk to the office and wait in line, I'm sure that's a hoot when you're 80 and tired. I wouldn't want that to my relatives.
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The net is unsafe for the uninitiated and unfortunately Windows 8 appeals to older people that do not have a clue how to protect themselves. Its designed that way.--
So she uses it for a few years if she is really lucky and then throws it away and buys a new one. Someone retrieves it from the bin and BOOM! . . . open book.
Earlier this winter I visited a gypsy family who had found two XP-laptops from a public bin in a nearby village centre, apparently the local collecting point for electric junk. They asked me if I could do something with the passwords to let them use the laptops for regular home use, i.e. Internet surfing. I could, with ease, using a free bootable cd. In Windows, I noticed that the laptops seemingly had been property of some small firm, containing identifiable material such as correspondence, offers etc. Of course I immediately created a new user profile, deleted the old along with personal data and overwrote all "empty" space. Knowing the skills of the new users, I'm sure the files of the previous owner are deleted safe enough. And much better than they were in the bin. So it's not a matter of age.
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Earlier this winter I visited a gypsy family who had found two XP-laptops from a public bin in a nearby village centre, apparently the local collecting point for electric junk. They asked me if I could do something with the passwords to let them use the laptops for regular home use, i.e. Internet surfing. I could, with ease, using a free bootable cd. In Windows, I noticed that the laptops seemingly had been property of some small firm, containing identifiable material such as correspondence, offers etc. Of course I immediately created a new user profile, deleted the old along with personal data and overwrote all "empty" space. Knowing the skills of the new users, I'm sure the files of the previous owner are deleted safe enough. And much better than they were in the bin. So it's not a matter of age.
Yes, anyone can be a victim of scammers. They can be very sneaky. For example in Second Life (popular among women) there was a huge incident recently where an Italian hacker created an attack to it - this is how it happened:
He claimed to have created a new special arena for players. But it was on a separate server so you needed to log in it to get access. If players clicked the link he supplied there was a real looking login window IN GAME asking for credentials. Those who gave them got attacked by an automated script which immediately retransmitted the invite in that players name to other players and transferred 3000 dollars of real money from their gaming account to PayPal. If the player had a credit card saved in his/her profile the money/credit was drained and sent to the attacker.
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So in your opinnion your mother should not be able to handle her affairs online. Nice way to make her old days as difficult as possible. To do banking she'll have to walk to the office and wait in line, I'm sure that's a hoot when you're 80 and tired. I wouldn't want that to my relatives.
She chooses not to use computer, Ripley. I realize there are people that are in her same age group that choose not to be left out and want to learn computers. For some that's a good choice, but look around you. I consider you to be above average intelligence. Not brilliant mind you, but able to learn new things and grasp things with a creative mind. Not everyone is like that. Windows 8 is certainly not for those people. My mother is far above average when it comes to intelligence, but it is her choice not to involve herself in computers. And not everyone should have to.
When I was working as a surveyor I had a project manager that insisted on having the one person on staff that new every shortcut AutoCAD has. I told him that was not wise, but that's what he wanted. So he got this brilliant kid that knew every shortcut and key the program had. The only problem was the kid had zero creativity. If you asked him to build a routine programmatically he could recite syntax and shortcuts but did not have a clue how to put it together and actually do something. The point is not everyone has the same cut of brilliance, and we shouldn't. The world needs ditch diggers too.
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She chooses not to use computer, Ripley. I realize there are people that are in her same age group that choose not to be left out and want to learn computers. For some that's a good choice, but look around you. I consider you to be above average intelligence. Not brilliant mind you, but able to learn new things and grasp things with a creative mind. Not everyone is like that. Windows 8 is certainly not for those people. My mother is far above average when it comes to intelligence, but it is her choice not to involve herself in computers. And not everyone should have to.
When I was working as a surveyor I had a project manager that insisted on having the one person on staff that new every shortcut AutoCAD has. I told him that was not wise, but that's what he wanted. So he got this brilliant kid that knew every shortcut and key the program had. The only problem was the kid had zero creativity. If you asked him to build a routine programmatically he could recite syntax and shortcuts but did not have a clue how to put it together and actually do something. The point is not everyone has the same cut of brilliance, and we shouldn't. The world needs ditch diggers too.
Of course but the way you put it earlyer was akin to YOU telling these people they have no business using computers. I'm in favor for anything that increases computer use, especially for older people because they can be more independent that way. Many old people suffer because they're not able to access the online services others do - for example if you have a prepaid phone connection, often the advertisements tell you "get 50% more time by ordering online" etc... So if Win8 makes computing more approachable to those who haven't dared to do so earlyer I'm all for it.
Unfortunately the turn side is that the rest of us who 'know' to use computers already are forced to relearn the interface. But once you know a couple of tricks such as right clicking the lower left corner for a commonly used function menu or press alt+f4 on your desktop to give a shutdown menu...
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Of course but the way you put it earlyer was akin to YOU telling these people they have no business using computers. . .
I went back and read what I posted and I dont see that in there, but thanks for coming around! :salute
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I went back and read what I posted and I dont see that in there, but thanks for coming around! :salute
It was this quote that I read:
Windows 8 is designed to attract people into computers that have no business using computers.
IMO anyone who is 'attracted to use' as opposed to 'chooses not to' has a business using computers. They may have a learning curve but better having it than not having it. I even gave my 75 year old grandfather a linux laptop to do his business. Unfortunately he soon became blind, I hope it wasn't anything he saw on teh internets! :ahand
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Merry Xmas & A Happy New Year every1 :cheers:
I was the one (1) who started this thread, & must admit I sincerely appreciated & learned much from the controversy this thread started :) For one (1) I followed MrRiplEy's advice re. Windows8 (W8), downloaded it & was briefly lost in what to do next, thereby I started my internet browsing in search for W8, short cuts, tips , etc to further my studious nature. I was rewarded with tons of info to make my W8 experience pleasurable. Woops no "Start Button", solution 'Start8.com'.
Further search enabled me to locate a choice of menus from Classical, XP, Vista & Windows7, I selected Windows XP start menu, my all-time favorite with Start Button. My memory came back as to how everything was setup in XP, I'm happy & quite familiar with
W8, but am studying, online, W8 tutorials to become better versed
in the intricacies of something very new, so far so good & NO problems. I love W8 & all the info I'm gleaning from it!
Btw, I no longer have any probs with "Windows Logon Screen' thx to
Chalenge's solution to my query. Hope this helps, education is the key to SUCCESS. :aok
Happy1
Very glad to hear you got your problems sorted out!
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I think it is quite comical how the supportive Windows 8 users are having to scour the Internet to learn how to do the simplest of things.
Sounds like new users to Linux, yet Linux gets a black eye for that very reason.
Funny.
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I think it is quite comical how the supportive Windows 8 users are having to scour the Internet to learn how to do the simplest of things.
Sounds like new users to Linux, yet Linux gets a black eye for that very reason.
Funny.
Win8 'problems' are far simplyer in nature than typical linux problems. Every development with GUI is going to require a learning process. Otherwise we're going to be stuck to an interface originally designed decades ago.
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Win8 'problems' are far simplyer in nature than typical linux problems. Every development with GUI is going to require a learning process. Otherwise we're going to be stuck to an interface originally designed decades ago.
Or, we could actually have something that works better than what Windows 8 brings.
Just because something is new, does not make it better.
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Or, we could actually have something that works better than what Windows 8 brings.
Just because something is new, does not make it better.
It seems that Win8 works better for people without prior knowledge about computers. This is a design route they've started since Vista when they started hiding power user options. Ribbon interface was the next step.
Change annoys old users but in the grand scheme of things some people at MS have thought they need to evolve or simply fade away.
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It seems that Win8 works better for people without prior knowledge about computers. This is a design route they've started since Vista when they started hiding power user options. Ribbon interface was the next step.
Change annoys old users but in the grand scheme of things some people at MS have thought they need to evolve or simply fade away.
Change annoys most people. It has less to do with age and more about poor design choices by Microsoft.
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Change annoys most people. It has less to do with age and more about poor design choices by Microsoft.
In the light of the experiences coming from novice users Win8 seems more like a design success than anything else. They should have, however, left the old users a way to opt out from the new interface and not dump it in the hands of 3rd parties.
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In the light of the experiences coming from novice users Win8 seems more like a design success than anything else. They should have, however, left the old users a way to opt out from the new interface and not dump it in the hands of 3rd parties.
Again, it has little to do with the age of the person. I think it is odd how people are suddenly happy to have to use keyboard shortcuts (first, you have to know about them) to access some things where there is not graphical interface available to those utilities.
Old, young, matters not.
There are better ways to do it. Much better ways. However, do not hold your breath waiting for Microsoft to do it.
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Win8 'problems' are far simplyer in nature than typical linux problems. Every development with GUI is going to require a learning process.
In that case I should go see a doctor for my brain seems to be petrifying. When I tried Ubuntu for the first time several years ago, I had no major problems to find a device manager, program installer/deinstaller or shutdown button during my first trial, not to mention a bunch of other functions and features. With W8 I would've been in trouble if I hadn't learned some keyboard shortcuts which I consider being "heavy user/pro tricks". The Finnish Fast Guide to Win8 has not been published yet, so the only source for learning the GUI is the Internet. I agree, MS seems to have the basics quite well documented, but there's always the big "but": What if this is your first computer? How to install a mobile broadband device in between the tiles? What if, like it was with my first experience with W8, the mobile broadband only works on GPRS, making using the net a PITA? If the instructions to access the Internet only are in the Internet, what can you do?
Almost every device or even their packages must have warning texts and user's manuals in the language of the country they are being sold in. That doesn't apply to operating systems: If you buy a pc, there's a warning that the plastic bag can be dangerous if it covers your nose and mouth. The manual tells how to place the rig to avoid overheating; it also tells the names and places of every jack and knob. Heck, even my keyboard has a warning sticker on it, saying prolonged use of it can cause injuries. At first boot, you might get a screen telling how wonderful your new computer is. No "Read this carefully before doing anything else with this computer". No safety instructions, or warnings about losing your money, identity, reputation... Just a happy "start exploring!" -at your own risk... :furious
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Again, it has little to do with the age of the person. I think it is odd how people are suddenly happy to have to use keyboard shortcuts (first, you have to know about them) to access some things where there is not graphical interface available to those utilities.
Old, young, matters not.
There are better ways to do it. Much better ways. However, do not hold your breath waiting for Microsoft to do it.
Again, old user does not refer to the users age. Old user means a user who has previously learned the old version of the OS.
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In that case I should go see a doctor for my brain seems to be petrifying. When I tried Ubuntu for the first time several years ago, I had no major problems to find a device manager, program installer/deinstaller or shutdown button during my first trial, not to mention a bunch of other functions and features. With W8 I would've been in trouble if I hadn't learned some keyboard shortcuts which I consider being "heavy user/pro tricks". The Finnish Fast Guide to Win8 has not been published yet, so the only source for learning the GUI is the Internet. I agree, MS seems to have the basics quite well documented, but there's always the big "but": What if this is your first computer? How to install a mobile broadband device in between the tiles? What if, like it was with my first experience with W8, the mobile broadband only works on GPRS, making using the net a PITA? If the instructions to access the Internet only are in the Internet, what can you do?
Almost every device or even their packages must have warning texts and user's manuals in the language of the country they are being sold in. That doesn't apply to operating systems: If you buy a pc, there's a warning that the plastic bag can be dangerous if it covers your nose and mouth. The manual tells how to place the rig to avoid overheating; it also tells the names and places of every jack and knob. Heck, even my keyboard has a warning sticker on it, saying prolonged use of it can cause injuries. At first boot, you might get a screen telling how wonderful your new computer is. No "Read this carefully before doing anything else with this computer". No safety instructions, or warnings about losing your money, identity, reputation... Just a happy "start exploring!" -at your own risk... :furious
Bizman W8 is very similar to W7 if you leave the start menu out. Even there you can discover the option for 'all apps' quite quickly to get access to all the power user functions (on the lower right side of screen after right clicking on the new start screen).
Microsoft made a study that showed that nobody is going to read the instructions anyway even if they included a tutorial with the OS. That's why they didn't do it.
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Again, old user does not refer to the users age. Old user means a user who has previously learned the old version of the OS.
That's fine. It still does not take way from how Microsoft made a mess of the interface, given how much better it could have been and easier to use.
That is my point.
You want to make it the users fault. I want to make it Microsoft's fault. A difference of opinion.
However, I will still never allow an operating system on my computers where the provider of that OS is allowed to remove and/or block any application I want to run on it. Whether they do it or not, is irrelevant. There is nothing productive about Microsoft telling anyone what they can and cannot do with their computer.
By the way, DXDIAG is not (at least it was not last week) available in any menu option. You have to use the Windows key + R to get to it. Of course, you have to know that. Quite silly. Hopefully, one day, that gets fixed.
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That's fine. It still does not take way from how Microsoft made a mess of the interface, given how much better it could have been and easier to use.
That is my point.
You want to make it the users fault. I want to make it Microsoft's fault. A difference of opinion.
However, I will still never allow an operating system on my computers where the provider of that OS is allowed to remove and/or block any application I want to run on it. Whether they do it or not, is irrelevant. There is nothing productive about Microsoft telling anyone what they can and cannot do with their computer.
By the way, DXDIAG is not (at least it was not last week) available in any menu option. You have to use the Windows key + R to get to it. Of course, you have to know that. Quite silly. Hopefully, one day, that gets fixed.
I never knew the location of dxdiag even in the previous versions. In windows 8: Right click the lower left corner of the screen. Choose run. Type dxdiag. Press Enter. Pretty much the same as what I did in W7 except I left clicked on w7.
Skuzzy the user interface changes are nobodys fault (well, except perhaps Julie Larson-Green who we can "thank" also for the ribbon interface).
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I never knew the location of dxdiag even in the previous versions. In windows 8: Right click the lower left corner of the screen. Choose run. Type dxdiag. Press Enter. Pretty much the same as what I did in W7 except I left clicked on w7.
Skuzzy the user interface changes are nobodys fault (well, except perhaps Julie Larson-Green who we can "thank" also for the ribbon interface).
As Microsoft is the designer of the UI, I feel comfortable making it their fault for putting out such a poorly thought out desktop interface design. They had a chance to do it right and completely dropped the ball.
I loved listening to her talk about how difficult the interface is to use without a touch screen. Of course, according to her all computers will have a touch screen very soon. Then she talks about how you have to use the touch screen in conjunction with the mouse and the keyboard. ARRRGGHHHH!!! What an idiotic design!
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I recently learned about a scientific study where they had found out that using an upright touch screen will strain the arm quite quickly.
In a computer magazine they stated that a tablet accompanied with a separate keyboard is more likely to be packed as a travel companion than a mini laptop because of convenience in use.
People don't read tutorials, that's true. They call someone who knows what to do. Unfortunately people don't want to pay €60 per hour for showing them how.
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I recently learned about a scientific study where they had found out that using an upright touch screen will strain the arm quite quickly.
In a computer magazine they stated that a tablet accompanied with a separate keyboard is more likely to be packed as a travel companion than a mini laptop because of convenience in use.
People don't read tutorials, that's true. They call someone who knows what to do. Unfortunately people don't want to pay €60 per hour for showing them how.
Sell a computer to family member -> you get to be free IT support for the rest of life. And warranty on parts never ceases either!
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However, I will still never allow an operating system on my computers where the provider of that OS is allowed to remove and/or block any application I want to run on it. Whether they do it or not, is irrelevant. There is nothing productive about Microsoft telling anyone what they can and cannot do with their computer.
This by the way is AFAIK possible only on the apps that are distributed through the built in marketplace. The EULA includes this most likely due to the built in windows defender which has to be able to remove malicious programs within EULA permissions.
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This by the way is AFAIK possible only on the apps that are distributed through the built in marketplace. The EULA includes this most likely due to the built in windows defender which has to be able to remove malicious programs within EULA permissions.
Actually Microsoft can remotely remove any file from your Windows 8 computer, without notice. I am not saying they will, but as of Windows 8 they have that as an option.
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Actually Microsoft can remotely remove any file from your Windows 8 computer, without notice. I am not saying they will, but as of Windows 8 they have that as an option.
Yes, but if you think about it the Windows Defender will do just that whenever it detects malicious code - and it has to be allowed to do that "at will" to protect the end-user. In fact anyone who uses antiviruses has signed this allowance to their AV of choice.
I've had annoyances already with AV:s when they've detected no-dvd or no-cd cracks I've used on my legally owned games as 'potentially harmful' code :)
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Yes, but if you think about it the Windows Defender will do just that whenever it detects malicious code - and it has to be allowed to do that "at will" to protect the end-user. In fact anyone who uses antiviruses has signed this allowance to their AV of choice.
I've had annoyances already with AV:s when they've detected no-dvd or no-cd cracks I've used on my legally owned games as 'potentially harmful' code :)
The ability to remotely remove any file from your computer, and/or application is not limited to infected/malicious code. It has been specifically left open ended.
I am no saying they will abuse it, but it is there in Windows 8. Aside from the abortion that is the GUI, it is enough for me to never own a copy of that OS. Voting with my wallet is all anyone can do.
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The ability to remotely remove any file from your computer, and/or application is not limited to infected/malicious code. It has been specifically left open ended.
I am no saying they will abuse it, but it is there in Windows 8. Aside from the abortion that is the GUI, it is enough for me to never own a copy of that OS. Voting with my wallet is all anyone can do.
True. But the reality is that Windows has always been able to do that albeit not by order of MS necessarily. Backups...
Win8 does include many improvements such as built in 3D support, new DX versions, powershell, much improved resource management screen, improved file handling etc. As what goes for the rest of the problems I've long time ago refused to use Windows for anything but gaming. I find that linux/OSX handle other tasks much more conveniently.
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Someone is not getting what skuzzy is saying. As per being able to remove any file, if they want to know your personal info they can do it conveniently with out your knowledge.
In other words if you think your computer is safe you are dead wrong. Look at it this way MrRipley would you want anyone to have full access to your bank account? Because that is basically what they are doing with win8 ... Better yet send me your credit card and I will hold on to it, now I'm not promising not to use it but you never know.
All I know is I don't trust any large company that can remotely access my computer, to look at what is on it.
CrazyLwn
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Someone is not getting what skuzzy is saying. As per being able to remove any file, if they want to know your personal info they can do it conveniently with out your knowledge.
In other words if you think your computer is safe you are dead wrong. Look at it this way MrRipley would you want anyone to have full access to your bank account? Because that is basically what they are doing with win8 ... Better yet send me your credit card and I will hold on to it, now I'm not promising not to use it but you never know.
All I know is I don't trust any large company that can remotely access my computer, to look at what is on it.
CrazyLwn
MS has always been able to spy on you whenever they wanted. In fact even as we speak there is a full browsing history saved to a hidden database and a list of played media files sent to MS servers on every Windows user. If you're worried about privacy and eavesdropping your only choice is to use linux. That's what I do. Ironically even the most popular linux distro now contains embedded ad/trackware. So better not to use Ubuntu folks, use something without Unity.
No version of Windows is protected from eavesdropping. Only thing that changed with W8 is a few words in the EULA (which doesn't even hold in court in Europe by the way).
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Yes, Microsoft has always kept tabs on things you do with Windows, but now they have taken the next step, with Windows 8, in removing control of your computer from you and placing it in their hands.
Iti s not hard to see where they are going. One day,you will not own anything on your computer. You will rent/lease it all for a monthly/annual fee. Fail to pay the fee and your application disappears.
Cloud computing is all about control of the applications as well.
One day end users will wake up and it will be too late.
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Yes, Microsoft has always kept tabs on things you do with Windows, but now they have taken the next step, with Windows 8, in removing control of your computer from you and placing it in their hands.
Iti s not hard to see where they are going. One day,you will not own anything on your computer. You will rent/lease it all for a monthly/annual fee. Fail to pay the fee and your application disappears.
Cloud computing is all about control of the applications as well.
One day end users will wake up and it will be too late.
Strictly speaking all software licenses are already 'a right to use' not ownership. But I hear your concern and you're not alone in worrying about the direction. Luckily there are alternatives, even free ones.
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Strictly speaking all software licenses are already 'a right to use' not ownership. But I hear your concern and you're not alone in worrying about the direction. Luckily there are alternatives, even free ones.
My concern, combined with the lack of knowledge with most end users, are the primary reasons I will not recommend Windows 8 to anyone. Secondary to that is the lousy GUI. Next you will be driving your computer with a mouse, a keyboard, and a touch screen. Sounds like a lot of work to me and not a lot of fun.