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Title: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: skorpx1 on December 26, 2012, 02:03:18 PM
*Peter Griffin voice enabled*

You know what really grinds my gears? People in the game.

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It seems as if nobody but people who've been playing for years actually use ACM in the game. I have noticed that 90% of the people in game are going to 20k, diving on targets that just lift off and then HO you on the way down. They miss and repeat until you die. I see Spitfire MK 8's and 16's doing this. Seriously? Spits were designed to out-turn just about every other plane. What the hell are you picking for? I even see KI-84's doing this stupid series of moves on me. If everybody is at 20k diving on one another what's the point in even fighting when you won't get anywhere? If anyone, and god forbid, gets on the enemies tail he books it out of there as fast as possible. Its like people avoid combat as much just so they can get their 2 kills and name in the lights down in the buffer.


The only reason I can find to use a fighter is to bomb a spawn camp but other than that, nobody engages in some serious combat.

*Peter Griffin voice enabled*

And that, is what grinds my gears.

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Rant over.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 26, 2012, 02:09:24 PM
*Peter Griffin voice enabled*

You know what really grinds my gears? People in the game.

*Peter Griffin voice disabled*

It seems as if nobody but people who've been playing for years actually use ACM in the game. I have noticed that 90% of the people in game are going to 20k, diving on targets that just lift off and then HO you on the way down. They miss and repeat until you die. I see Spitfire MK 8's and 16's doing this. Seriously? Spits were designed to out-turn just about every other plane. What the hell are you picking for? I even see KI-84's doing this stupid series of moves on me. If everybody is at 20k diving on one another what's the point in even fighting when you won't get anywhere? If anyone, and god forbid, gets on the enemies tail he books it out of there as fast as possible. Its like people avoid combat as much just so they can get their 2 kills and name in the lights down in the buffer.


The only reason I can find to use a fighter is to bomb a spawn camp but other than that, nobody engages in some serious combat.

*Peter Griffin voice enabled*

And that, is what grinds my gears.

*Peter Griffin voice disabled*


Rant over.

I've seen you fly exactly like you described, call the kettle black much?

ack-ack
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 26, 2012, 02:14:12 PM
There are fights out there. Agreed they are hard to find sometimes, but they are there. This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players. They have been brought up on WoW, CoD and now WoT. Games were spawning and running around with guns blazing until you die only to re-spawn and do it all over again. This type of player also breeds hordes and the horde style attack for base captures. They lack any real skills and have really no intention of gaining those skills. They are perfectly happy to die a million times to capture a base or get their name in lights once in a while.

It's their folks $15 so they can do what they want. For those of us looking for a good fight, we have to wallow through the crap some times, but if you look long enough, and hard enough, you'll find them.

Welcome to Aces High!
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: skorpx1 on December 26, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
I've seen you fly exactly like you described, call the kettle black much?

ack-ack

I wont deny doing it on occasion, but I didn't start doing it just because I can. The only times I do it is when i'm in a 5v1 situation or when its done to me repeatedly in a single flight.


I don't do the whole pick, miss and run thing in Spits or Zero's.



There are fights out there. Agreed they are hard to find sometimes, but they are there. This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players. They have been brought up on WoW, CoD and now WoT. Games were spawning and running around with guns blazing until you die only to re-spawn and do it all over again. This type of player also breeds hordes and the horde style attack for base captures. They lack any real skills and have really no intention of gaining those skills. They are perfectly happy to die a million times to capture a base or get their name in lights once in a while.

It's their folks $15 so they can do what they want. For those of us looking for a good fight, we have to wallow through the crap some times, but if you look long enough, and hard enough, you'll find them.

Welcome to Aces High!

I'm not surprised that its a bunch of kids doing it. What surprises me is the amount of numbers doing it and how often it happens. I got myself and a few buddies to take 2 bases today in 15 minutes, yet it takes a horde 50 minutes to take a single base.

If you ask me, there should be separate arenas for those who will fight for a kill and those who will go around and get one any way possible.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: bj229r on December 26, 2012, 05:39:14 PM
When you take off, don't immediately head for the largest red blob, OR the largest GREEN blob. People who are up for actual fights won't likely be in either of those areas
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Butcher on December 26, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
Signed up Sep 2012, yep you are new. Nothings changed over the years, newbs fly in packs - trick is to get better and make 5 actually work to shoot you down, if not take one or two with you.

To whine about it means you end up flying with that big green blob for fear you can't improve. Not everyone has the gonads to take up 5vs1 and dance, most just whine.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: skorpx1 on December 26, 2012, 07:35:58 PM
Signed up Sep 2012, yep you are new. Nothings changed over the years, newbs fly in packs - trick is to get better and make 5 actually work to shoot you down, if not take one or two with you.

To whine about it means you end up flying with that big green blob for fear you can't improve. Not everyone has the gonads to take up 5vs1 and dance, most just whine.

Iv'e been around longer than 2012. Since 2010 really. I just recently re-started my account. Back in 2010/11 there were some that actually had the nads to fight. Now it seems like nobody does.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: JunkyII on December 26, 2012, 07:58:10 PM
There are fights out there. Agreed they are hard to find sometimes, but they are there. This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players. They have been brought up on WoW, CoD and now WoT. Games were spawning and running around with guns blazing until you die only to re-spawn and do it all over again. This type of player also breeds hordes and the horde style attack for base captures. They lack any real skills and have really no intention of gaining those skills. They are perfectly happy to die a million times to capture a base or get their name in lights once in a while.

It's their folks $15 so they can do what they want. For those of us looking for a good fight, we have to wallow through the crap some times, but if you look long enough, and hard enough, you'll find them.

Welcome to Aces High!
:headscratch: :rolleyes:

Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement.

A lot of the BEST sticks in the game are younger guys. Krupnski, RedBull, Spek, Bosco, SunsFan......None of them horde, they play for the fight.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: JunkyII on December 26, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Iv'e been around longer than 2012. Since 2010 really. I just recently re-started my account. Back in 2010/11 there were some that actually had the nads to fight. Now it seems like nobody does.
Been playing AH since 2007.....the fights have not changed just the way I approach them.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: SkyRock on December 26, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
You can find a fight every now and then... but mostly doras and ponys 1 pass and run though!  I seem to see alot more of the fast one pass and run twits these days as opposed to back in the day alot of newer players would fly spits, nikis, and lalas!  Alot of game time wasted with twits that just wont fight unless they have all the adv's and having all the adv's doesnt help them anyway... boring waste of gametime....  oh well.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: baine1 on December 26, 2012, 09:20:41 PM
Been playing this game forever and my complaint isn't the folks who won't fight, but the boring amount of time it now takes to fly to a fight. I rarely play anymore because it's become a job to commute to a fight . I spend enough boring time in the car and don't want to spend the same boring time flying through some virtual landscape. I can see why folks, once they get close enough to the enemy, are hesitant about commiting to anything but a guaranteed win. I say move the bases closer, let the folks who want quick, fun fights get them while the folks who want to take the time to climb to alt can still do it if they want to. It might be my imagination, but this game seemed to have a lot more players when you didn't have to fly five minutes to find a fight.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Baine on December 26, 2012, 09:22:33 PM
Yeah, what he said
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Lusche on December 26, 2012, 09:22:40 PM
It might be my imagination, but this game seemed to have a lot more players when you didn't have to fly five minutes to find a fight.


Maybe it's the other way around? ;)
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Mongoose on December 26, 2012, 09:53:05 PM
  I beg to differ.  I have been in some pretty good furballs lately.  I will admit that the last couple of weeks, I have had trouble finding a good fight.  But they are out there. 

  As for the new folks not using ACM, most of them just haven't learned yet.  Some will never get it, some will.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: AAJagerX on December 26, 2012, 10:10:02 PM
:headscratch: :rolleyes:

Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement.

A lot of the BEST sticks in the game are younger guys. Krupnski, RedBull, Spek, Bosco, SunsFan......None of them horde, they play for the fight.

No matter how good the driver is, they will eventually find themselves in the midst of a horde.  It may not be intentional, but it does happen.  All of the guys looking for fights end up in the mess from time to time.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: AAJagerX on December 26, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
Yeah, what he said

Strawberries are packed with fiber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkMPZ7WeDck
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 26, 2012, 10:20:17 PM
:headscratch: :rolleyes:

Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement.

A lot of the BEST sticks in the game are younger guys. Krupnski, RedBull, Spek, Bosco, SunsFan......None of them horde, they play for the fight.

See thats the trouble with the younger generation, they are this "all or nothing" types, and they have poor reading comprehension skills.

Had you read the OP and UNDERSTOOD what he had typed you would have know we were talking about players that HO, and when they lose any advantage run for the deck and basically avoid any type of fight.

As my answer was to his post, you should have understood that when I mentioned "This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players" that it was a direct referral to what the OP posted, those player types that avoid all fighting.

Now, taking nothing away from those "kids" you mentioned we were NOT talking about them or a good many other players who happen to spend there time fighting in the game. I take exception to your "Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement" statement. Maybe you should let your betters converse here and you go back to what ever rock you hide under these days.  
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: JunkyII on December 27, 2012, 12:37:01 AM
. Maybe you should let your betters converse here and you go back to what ever rock you hide under these days.   
Yea ok big guy

. This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players. They have been brought up on WoW, CoD and now WoT.

So this doesn't target a group that is between the ages of say....15 to 25?

No matter how good the driver is, they will eventually find themselves in the midst of a horde.  It may not be intentional, but it does happen.  All of the guys looking for fights end up in the mess from time to time.
True very true
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: BaldEagl on December 27, 2012, 12:46:14 AM
No matter how good the driver is, they will eventually find themselves in the midst of a horde.  It may not be intentional, but it does happen.  All of the guys looking for fights end up in the mess from time to time.

Most often because there are no other fights on the map.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: killnu on December 27, 2012, 02:33:22 AM
:headscratch: :rolleyes:

Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement.

A lot of the BEST sticks in the game are younger guys. Krupnski, RedBull, Spek, Bosco, SunsFan......None of them horde, they play for the fight.

That is funny, named 5 out of thousands...yep, completely false statement.  There are only 2 that you listed that I would consider the play for the fight guys...the other 3 may have changed recently...that is possible. 

"BEST" sticks in game though?  Kind of depends on why you play the game on what defines best though...just a thought.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: pervert on December 27, 2012, 03:41:09 AM
Been playing this game forever and my complaint isn't the folks who won't fight, but the boring amount of time it now takes to fly to a fight. I rarely play anymore because it's become a job to commute to a fight . I spend enough boring time in the car and don't want to spend the same boring time flying through some virtual landscape. I can see why folks, once they get close enough to the enemy, are hesitant about commiting to anything but a guaranteed win. I say move the bases closer, let the folks who want quick, fun fights get them while the folks who want to take the time to climb to alt can still do it if they want to. It might be my imagination, but this game seemed to have a lot more players when you didn't have to fly five minutes to find a fight.

100% I hate the transit time to fights, this is probably why AI deaths get on my nerves so much pws or rad hits from ack. I usually leave a plane on autotakeoff and come back 10 minutes later to start playing.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: kilo2 on December 27, 2012, 03:56:34 AM
See thats the trouble with the younger generation, they are this "all or nothing" types, and they have poor reading comprehension skills.

Had you read the OP and UNDERSTOOD what he had typed you would have know we were talking about players that HO, and when they lose any advantage run for the deck and basically avoid any type of fight.

As my answer was to his post, you should have understood that when I mentioned "This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players" that it was a direct referral to what the OP posted, those player types that avoid all fighting.

Now, taking nothing away from those "kids" you mentioned we were NOT talking about them or a good many other players who happen to spend there time fighting in the game. I take exception to your "Completely false statement, borderline retarded statement" statement. Maybe you should let your betters converse here and you go back to what ever rock you hide under these days.  

Cartoon idea. You sitting at a desk visibly aged. Maybe you would be wearing rose tinted glasses typing on a computer. Also add a chat bubble with the words "back in the day_____" then fill in the blank. In the back ground a window to a open yard with a sign that says keep off the grass.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: mechanic on December 27, 2012, 04:57:08 AM
Maybe you should let your betters converse here and you go back to what ever rock you hide under these days.  


 :headscratch:
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Randy1 on December 27, 2012, 06:22:12 AM
OP you may be have hidden anger toward yourself for getting caught with your pants down.

I know last night, I had a P47N loaded with bombs and rockets, which takes just over a  sector to get to dive bombing altitude.  I had to avoid to some enemy planes on the way by turning away from engagement.  Just before the enemy base, I got lazy and failed to watch my 6 and got shot down just before the base.  I had flash anger for the shooter for taking a cheap shot.  Of course if it wasn't  a cheap shoot, it was an easy shoot I gave to shooter because of my lack of vigilance.

There is a great thread on dealing with planes like high 109s that really helped me deal with the high divers.  I will find it for you and post it. 

By the way it takes a radar radius to get to 8k in a P47M and a bit more to get to get above 300mph so the time to a good battle is perfect.

Found some great furbals last night.

I think it is all about attitude.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: JunkyII on December 27, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
That is funny, named 5 out of thousands...yep, completely false statement.  There are only 2 that you listed that I would consider the play for the fight guys...the other 3 may have changed recently...that is possible. 

"BEST" sticks in game though?  Kind of depends on why you play the game on what defines best though...just a thought.
That is actually a very good point

But....I'm guessing the "2" are Krup and SunsFan. I know Bosco doesn't play much anymore, nor does Spek. RedBull could be the fastest learning player in the game...one month dude is ok...next month hes giving the best a run for their money.

I'm not going to sit here a name thousands...which is a JOKE because pretty sure the majority in this game are over thirty(Need a Snail) and a thousand would be pushing that line for all the players in Aces High to have a majority.

I'll say this, Fugi talked about hordes and said they stem from the generation who caame up playing COD.....look who leads the hordes in the MA.

Knights horde is normally put together by Jayro.....Don't think he knows what COD is. I can't speak for the Rooks but I know J0ker used to do a lot of horde missions.....he spent too much time in Aces High to even play COD. Older guys starting hordes.....just sayin'
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
Yea ok big guy

So this doesn't target a group that is between the ages of say....15 to 25?
True very true

Again, reading comprehension skills. It most certainly does target a group between the ages of 15-25 WHO AVOID FIGHTING. <---- notice the big letters, it means this is important and you seem to keep missing it.

The 5 you mentioned do NOT fit that profile as they do seem to fight (tho I've seen them spend most of their time "picking" I have had a bunch of good fights with Redbull). Do you understand now?

Most of the players who play today (by most I mean more than 50%) are people who play WoW, CoD (call of duty), and now WoT, Diablo, and so on where the object of the game is to fight the same fight over and over again killing goblins, zombies, devils, or any other type of imagined creatures hundreds of times to complete a quest or running away to "build your character up" when you know your not strong enough to win. The fight is un-important because it is just a series of moves.... hammer, hammer, shield, hammer, heal, hammer, collect items, move on to next one.... What is important, is to kill everything.... dieing as often as you kill sometimes... beat the stage bosses then move up the the big boss and win the game.

Can you see how that game play relates to how Aces is played today?

Players today dive into "battle" from 20k to pick, or HO anyone trying to defend the base they are attacking because it is the easiest way to attack. They horde, because it is the only way they can become "stronger/build their character" is by adding numbers, NOT skill. When they run out of "lemmings" they run away to go "build" again. Each player they attack are the "minions" they must wade through to get to the stage boss...the base they are trying to capture, so that they can continue on to the big boss, the "Win da Waz".

Personally I don't care how "they" play. As I said I've had some great fights with Redbull and many others. I will continue to play looking for fights. I'll kill all the lemming that fall in front of my guns long enough for me to hit them, but you have to be an idiot if you can't see the parallels between the "WoW" generation, and those that play this game for the fight.   
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: mechanic on December 27, 2012, 01:08:28 PM
So you think more people over 25 stick around and fight than under 25?  
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2012, 01:14:24 PM
So you think more people over 25 stick around and fight than under 25?  

I think people over 25 are mature enough to know there is more to the game than just HOin and running and dieing, so yes I'm think more of them stick around and do fight.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: skorpx1 on December 27, 2012, 01:18:49 PM
I think people over 25 are mature enough to know there is more to the game than just HOin and running and dieing, so yes I'm think more of them stick around and do fight.
This isn't the case with the vGuys who just up in masses, bomb their target, auger into the dirt, re-up then attempt to pick yet auger again.

However I wouldn't think they represent the majority.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: deadstikmac on December 27, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
*Peter voice enabled*
"What really grinds my gears... ACM! Im talking about that pilot stuff I seem to have left at Quagmires' place. Because for the life of baby jesus I can not shoot barbra strisands giantamoungus arse"
*Peter voice dissabled*


 :airplane:~<Deadstik
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: icepac on December 27, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
What really grinds my gears is when my water bottle rolls under the clutch pedal.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: BaldEagl on December 27, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
I think people over 25 are mature enough to know there is more to the game than just HOin and running and dieing, so yes I'm think more of them stick around and do fight.

I would tell you there are just as many mature young players and just as many immature older players.  I think you really went off the deep end with your over-generalizations this time.

And BTW, when I was young I had to walk a mile through 4' of snow at -10F to get to the bus (the long bus... and that story isn't really too far from the truth).
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Daddkev on December 27, 2012, 04:41:40 PM
 :huh :huh :huh :huh Who you calling Mature? You wanna wrassle?  :x :x :banana: :banana: :x :x :banana: :banana: :x :x
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2012, 04:43:49 PM
I would tell you there are just as many mature young players and just as many immature older players.  I think you really went off the deep end with your over-generalizations this time.

And BTW, when I was young I had to walk a mile through 4' of snow at -10F to get to the bus (the long bus... and that story isn't really too far from the truth).


That still makes the numbers the same, if 25% of the younger players are mature beyond their years and 25% of the older players are immature your pretty much just swapping these groups as my guess was just a majority (51%). But even with those numbers you'd think you'd get someone to fight half the time. Maybe a simple majority is a low mark?  :noid
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: kvuo75 on December 27, 2012, 07:03:22 PM
most of the horde leaders / generals sound to be my age or older (i'm 37)..

just sayin.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: JunkyII on December 27, 2012, 08:38:15 PM
most of the horde leaders / generals sound to be my age or older (i'm 37)..

just sayin.

Pretty sure Jayro is....
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Changeup on December 27, 2012, 09:21:08 PM
Nutshell:

Newbs = Fly high, fly fast, run and re-engage, zero understanding of E states, angles, gunnery (trying to stay alive with little or no ACM help or time in-game to practice it)

Sophomores (9 months to 2 years) = Have gotten very proficient at 3 a/c and understand clearly those a/c characteristics.  Still lose to lesser planes with better pilots because their ACM is still very basic
 
Juniors (2 years to 3 years) = Understand some advanced ACM, understand how to use it in 3-7 different a/c.  Can stay alive for suprisingly longer periods in multi-con engagements

Seniors (3 years to 6 years) = Excellent understanding of most ACM, E states can be judged proficiently, lots of experience running 7+ a/c, win engagements against superior a/c regularly, hold their own in multi-con engagements

Experts (6+ years) = ACM is second nature, regularly turn disadadvantage into advantage and win the engagement, aerial gunnery in excess of 12%, rarely misjudge opponents E state, experts in 15+ a/c, PURPOSELY CHOOSE LESS CAPABLE PLANES FOR THE CHALLENGE and still win engagements, clearly understand that 1 v 1's occur at a decision-tempo much different than typical MA engagements, complete understanding of the difference between "angles" and "E" fighting and can move fluidly between those states of flight/fight under duress.

These are my personal definitions based on conversations with folks that have played in these demographics.  They are up for discussion but again, they're just my opinion and that's worth what you paid for it.  The reason I bothered with it is because its up to the older guys to teach the frustrated, dying newbs something.  If we didn't have someone help us (Ghosth, Rowdy1, Davski, TA57x, Revernd, Dodger, Krupnski, JunkyII, Corky, MugZ, Morfiend, Bunnies (Ardy123), Squat, Waystin2 *countless, countless, countless phone calls to him*, Sunbat <---taught controlled aggression, Grizz <---taught vision, SERaider, SunsFan, Agent360, Bighorn <-----REAL DEAL, Batfink<----my first every dueling bracket opponent who could have ended our fight in less than two turns but "let" me stay in it for 7 minutes to LEARN something then stayed afterword for 2 HOURS to help me.  More recently, Lazer, Scotch, SkyRock <----I mouthed off to him in the DA once and when we 1 v 1'd he CRUSHED me over and over and over....then, helped me for 2 hours.

We can complain about how things are forever and I promise they'll never change.  However, if you see someone flying like a turd, tell them why and offer some help.  They probably won't want it then...but they'll come back to ya.  I did...and there isn't a bigger love muffintic pile it out there!!  :rofl.  Every one of those guys helped me...and I still suck but they did it anyway.

Who did you help today?
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: The Fugitive on December 27, 2012, 10:09:24 PM
Well said Changeup. And there are guys still coming in that look to learn how to fight. These are the guys you see on the boards and in the game asking questions, always looking for answers. These are the guys who are going to keep at this game and become the "old timers".

I hope to see more of them, both the new guys that question, and the old guys that help, they are the ones that keep this game going.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2012, 09:12:20 AM
Well said Changeup. And there are guys still coming in that look to learn how to fight. These are the guys you see on the boards and in the game asking questions, always looking for answers. These are the guys who are going to keep at this game and become the "old timers".

I hope to see more of them, both the new guys that question, and the old guys that help, they are the ones that keep this game going.

You're exactly right.  The vets are the single, best resource to help others love this game for what it CAN be....which is what it once was... It's about the fight.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Latrobe on December 28, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
Very interesting Changeup. I've been around for 6+ years, but I would say my skills are somewhere between the Sophomore and Junior. Just reading all of that and seeing where I'm at really gives me an idea of what I need to do to improve (whether I can put that into practice in another story  :o ). Hopefully I can improve a bit more now and help out these newer guys learn what they did wrong and what they should be doing right.

 :aok :salute
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Wiley on December 28, 2012, 10:27:31 AM
That's a pretty good way of putting it, Changeup.  One source of frustration in the game that I see is a lot of people who are in the first couple categories think they're in the last couple. ;)

I also think it's a matter of applying yourself to getting better.  Not everyone winds up making it past Junior/Senior on a good day.  That's where I'd ballpark my capabilities.  I believe a person can always improve, but only if they apply themselves to it.

My skills are good enough to get me by in most situations where I'm not overwhelmed or thoroughly outclassed by the enemy pilot, and that's good enough for me most of the time.  Not everybody is working toward being the best they can be, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Wiley.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Daddkev on December 28, 2012, 11:01:14 AM
 :huh :huh :huh Do you have a just plain " Crazy " catagory? I can be there leader!  :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
Very interesting Changeup. I've been around for 6+ years, but I would say my skills are somewhere between the Sophomore and Junior. Just reading all of that and seeing where I'm at really gives me an idea of what I need to do to improve (whether I can put that into practice in another story  :o ). Hopefully I can improve a bit more now and help out these newer guys learn what they did wrong and what they should be doing right.

 :aok :salute

Heck, I've fought u!  I certainly cant remember ever beating you.  I'd say you're right where I put 6 year people Latrobe...at least from my view. 
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2012, 01:36:21 PM
That's a pretty good way of putting it, Changeup.  One source of frustration in the game that I see is a lot of people who are in the first couple categories think they're in the last couple. ;)

I also think it's a matter of applying yourself to getting better.  Not everyone winds up making it past Junior/Senior on a good day.  That's where I'd ballpark my capabilities.  I believe a person can always improve, but only if they apply themselves to it.

My skills are good enough to get me by in most situations where I'm not overwhelmed or thoroughly outclassed by the enemy pilot, and that's good enough for me most of the time.  Not everybody is working toward being the best they can be, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Wiley.

Agreed completely.   Those views don't include pilots who take loooong breaks.  In some cases, me specifically, one 6 month break cost me every finesse skill I ever learned.  Losing your "feel" can put you right back in sophomore mode but the first thing that goes is aerial gunnery.  I was shooting a .085-.095 when I took that break...now I can't get past .055 and aerial gunnery can be the absolute difference in turning a marginal position against multiple threats into a winner-take-all sortie.  I remember a note I got from Grizz that was almost word for word a note I got from Levi....killing quickly because of your accuracy is almost always the difference between landing some and being towered.

Another thing talked about is equipment changes...pilots that go from twistys to pedals etc.  That almost caused a couple folks to quit, me included.  I shaded for 3 months, lol, just to try to get used to it and it liked to kill my love of the game.

Last thing....if people get a chance to go to the DA, do it....do it a lot.  Grab a bunch of guys, find a low private field and get after it.  Any plane against any comer....pick a 200-number vox channel so all sides can visit.  Those sessions helped me more than any single thing I ever did.  I remember the first one I was "allowed" to join 5+ years ago....Grizz, Sunsfan, Agent360, Ardy, Krup, Squat, Dodger, SERaider, JUGgler, Scotch, BiPolar, JunkyII, Bosco, DrBone, TonyJoey and Shuffler.  I got murdered....absolutely destroyed.  Never won a fight and I was flying a 16!  I never even got close to any of their 6's....but it was the most fun I'd had up to that point.  Then, the upgrade that included the I16and Brewster came out and Dodger got some of those guys to the DA canyons in Brewsters ONLY.  One rule....can't ever go above the canyon rim....you MUST stay in the canyon.  Talk about improving your finesse during stall speeds and SA....8 guys per side, in the canyons, in Brewsters???  I looked up and it was 3am.

So much fun...
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: icepac on December 28, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
Jaded.... (14+ years) = ACM is second nature, regularly turn disadadvantage into advantage and win the engagement.........if they so desire, aerial gunnery in excess of 12%, don't care about opponents E state, experts in any a/c, PURPOSELY CHOOSE LESS CAPABLE PLANES FOR THE CHALLENGE and derive sublime satisfaction in pounding more capable planes, clearly understand that 1 v 1's occur at a decision-tempo much different than typical MA engagements, complete understanding of the difference between "angles" and "E" fighting and would rather find "fun" than win at all costs, cares not about score most of the time because a bad score can yield some fun engagements against those who use score to determine ability.

This often means expending 20 planes to chute into the tower for some fun.

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Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: kvuo75 on December 28, 2012, 04:42:46 PM
This often means expending 20 planes to chute into the tower for some fun.




next time greebo's new crater map is up, try your hand at navigating the rivers in ptboat :)  I made it about 5 miles :)

Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Scotch on December 28, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
next time greebo's new crater map is up, try your hand at navigating the rivers in ptboat :)  I made it about 5 miles :)


:lol
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: icepac on December 28, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
next time greebo's new crater map is up, try your hand at navigating the rivers in ptboat :)  I made it about 5 miles :)



Thanks,  I am definately up for exploring.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: Latrobe on December 29, 2012, 01:10:55 AM
Heck, I've fought u!  I certainly cant remember ever beating you.  I'd say you're right where I put 6 year people Latrobe...at least from my view. 

My current skill level is dead on what you listed for a sophomore player. I have 3 aircraft that I'm pretty ok at (109, P47, P38), I have a good understanding of how well they can fly, and there are plenty of other players who are far superior to me and kick my butt every time I fight them. I only say I'm between sophomore and junior because I've been playing for 6+ years. That has to count for something!
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: LCADolby on December 29, 2012, 06:24:31 AM
My current skill level is dead on what you listed for a sophomore player. I have 3 aircraft that I'm pretty ok at (109, P47, P38), I have a good understanding of how well they can fly, and there are plenty of other players who are far superior to me and kick my butt every time I fight them. I only say I'm between sophomore and junior because I've been playing for 6+ years. That has to count for something!

I'll take newb with 4 years experience.  :D
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: CZCH64 on December 29, 2012, 08:21:00 AM
Been playing this game forever and my complaint isn't the folks who won't fight, but the boring amount of time it now takes to fly to a fight. I rarely play anymore because it's become a job to commute to a fight . I spend enough boring time in the car and don't want to spend the same boring time flying through some virtual landscape. I can see why folks, once they get close enough to the enemy, are hesitant about commiting to anything but a guaranteed win. I say move the bases closer, let the folks who want quick, fun fights get them while the folks who want to take the time to climb to alt can still do it if they want to. It might be my imagination, but this game seemed to have a lot more players when you didn't have to fly five minutes to find a fight.

I agree....And if you want to bomb you'll still have the option of taking off from a few bases away.
Title: Re: What Really Grinds My Gears.
Post by: STXAce8 on December 30, 2012, 10:41:52 PM
There are fights out there. Agreed they are hard to find sometimes, but they are there. This "group" of players are of the younger generation of game players. They have been brought up on WoW, CoD and now WoT. Games were spawning and running around with guns blazing until you die only to re-spawn and do it all over again. This type of player also breeds hordes and the horde style attack for base captures. They lack any real skills and have really no intention of gaining those skills. They are perfectly happy to die a million times to capture a base or get their name in lights once in a while.

It's their folks $15 so they can do what they want. For those of us looking for a good fight, we have to wallow through the crap some times, but if you look long enough, and hard enough, you'll find them.

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