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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: CAP1 on January 23, 2013, 10:06:04 PM
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ALLIES
FRAME 1 FRAME 2 FRAME 3 TOTAL
TOTAL OBJS. DESTROYED=====490 770 810 2070
FIGHTER KILLS============970 1060 790 2820
BOMBER KILLS============840 540 XXX 1380
SAFE LAND BONUS=========545 535 690 1770
TOTALS================2845 2905 2290 8040
IJAAF/IJMNAF
TOTAL OBJS. DESTROYED=====125 170 XXX 295
FIGHTER KILLS============700 670 490 1860
BOMBER KILLS============300 380 1280 1960
SAFE LAND BONUS=========235 165 270 670
TOTALS================1360 1385 2040 4785
while the points give total and decisive victory to the ALLIES, i think we need to look at a couple things. first off, we had TWO IJAAF squads go AWOL. this, combined with the normal fluctuation of squad participation, changed the 60/40 to a 40/60 set.
i would personally like to thank EVERY single pilot that showed up, but in particular every single IJAAF pilot. you all showed up each week, jumped into your cartoon crate, and did your best to stem the tide of the ALLIED cartoon aircraft.
specific thanks need to go out to the Arabian Knights, for doing (Allied)CiC duty in frame3. i misread my information, and threw them into that role too soon after their last turn.
also, specific thanks to Army of Muppets, as they stepped up to the plate for (IJAAF) frame3. this doesn't seem like much of a deal, but they'd done frame2, then volunteered for frame3 when our assigned frame3 CiC went AWOL.
all of our CiC's were great to work with. i really enjoyed and appreciated the fact that you guys took time to ask me questions. i liked inks maps. we've got a good crew in FSO, and i'm happy to be able to write these for you guys.
i will ensure that my next setup is much more balanced.
BTW....i think that the IJAAF really won......even if just in spirit. Thumbs UP!
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The LCA had a great time flying for the Emperor.
Till the next PTO event......Banzai :rock
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<S> Cap.
AKElD
Arabian Knights
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<S> Cap. Had a blast!
<S> Arabian Knights. We in the 94th ran up against you guys in all three Frames, and had some great fights!
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I flew planes with meatball paint jobs, I bombed, I killed, I died. Had fun and always do.
It's unfortunate that the design of an event gets blown out because some people decide if they don't get uber Late War rides they just won't show up. Going from 60/40 to 40/60 is a significant change to the dynamics of a design.
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I flew planes with meatball paint jobs, I bombed, I killed, I died. Had fun and always do.
It's unfortunate that the design of an event gets blown out because some people decide if they don't get uber Late War rides they just won't show up. Going from 60/40 to 40/60 is a significant change to the dynamics of a design.
Yeah, Cap sure did have his hands full on this one.
:salute Cap1
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thanx Cap........I had a good time...always do even when I rip my own elevators off :lol
I :salute all the guys who put their time into these activities for a bunch of grown up kids.
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Nice job CAP,
The A6m2 was great for getting on the tails of the allied swarms and tickling them, still had my :ahand<S>
~Seadog36
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Nice job CAP,
The A6m2 was great for getting on the tails of the allied swarms and tickling them, still had my :ahand<S>
~Seadog36
hehehehe.....that could be good.....some people like being tickled, lol
thanks guys.........i wish it would've come out more the way it was intended, but as everything, it is a learning experience. :aok
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Pathetic setup. Needs serious work or to be scrapped. Forgive me for being blunt.
Had fun as usual though.
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Pathetic setup. Needs serious work or to be scrapped. Forgive me for being blunt.
Had fun as usual though.
thats a bit more then blunt....falls into the "insulting" category IMO
cant be that bad if "you had fun"
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It is FSO, therefore it is always fun. Inaccuracy and lack of balance killed the soul of this one. Not going to keep me from coming back though. If we ran this setup 12 months in a row I would fly every frame. Just one of those setups that needs to find the trash. Just like the B-29 one a few months ago. and Ketsu Go. They need to go away forever.
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Pathetic setup. Needs serious work or to be scrapped. Forgive me for being blunt.
Had fun as usual though.
So pathetic you had the usual amount of fun? You dont put a little blame on the Axis squads who didn't show and messed up the side split?
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Absolutely, that was very childish of them and immature. No excuse for a CM to design an event and it be inaccurate though. These guys supposedly know more than we do about historical aerial campaigns yet...
My apologies CAP for being harsh. Just try to cover all the details in your next design please <S>
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what inaccuracies?
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Before I go into this, what month(s) was this setup designed to be in?
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Looking forward to your setup Perd.
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Before I go into this, what month(s) was this setup designed to be in?
so what you're saying, is that you're sitting there accusing me of all kinds of inaccuracies, and you don't even know what time period it was in?
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I remember someone saying February of 42. Is that right?
I am saying from what I was told about the time frame, yes it is inaccurate. But the time frame they came up with could have been fabricated.
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I remember someone saying February of 42. Is that right?
I am saying from what I was told about the time frame, yes it is inaccurate. But the time frame they came up with could have been fabricated.
You know that information is easily looked up
http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/923-fei-hou-into-the-tigers-den.html (http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/923-fei-hou-into-the-tigers-den.html)
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You know that information is easily looked up
http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/923-fei-hou-into-the-tigers-den.html (http://ahevents.org/fso-setups/37-pacific-theatre/923-fei-hou-into-the-tigers-den.html)
The date mentioned as I came to find out is not the date this takes place.
there wasn't a date. the tigers saw their first combat on 21 dec. 1941. they attacked a large force of unescorted bombers, bringing down over half of them.
january 1942 was when combat started getting hot n heavy for them. that's also when the raf joined them in their hurricanes, and also when they started escorting b25's.
i think i've got everything bookmarked from my research.
So while not nailing down a date I assume that this frame starts in jan 42.
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<S> Arabian Knights. We in the 94th ran up against you guys in all three Frames, and had some great fights!
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Blazer, very good fights.
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Pathetic setup. Needs serious work or to be scrapped. Forgive me for being blunt.
Had fun as usual though.
Insults again. If you had fun then shut up and soldier. Enjoy the game, overlook the inaccuracy's so you can enjoy FSO. Otherwise one of the CM's might ban you for good.
This is coming from me as a player, not from my squad.
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Pathetic setup. Needs serious work or to be scrapped. Forgive me for being blunt.
Had fun as usual though.
Perdue, have you ever considered writing up a setup and letting the CM's run it for you? i'd be interested to see how your setup would do under everyone elses scrutiny, as the CM's do week after week? just curious thats all.
To the CM staff: as for the AWOL squads, our intel informed us they were thinking of defecting, so we had them all executed. please forgive us for not notifying the CM staff but the the executions were performed post haste, and we had no time to notify anyone. thank you for your understanding! we'll try to do better next time! :D
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To the CM staff: as for the AWOL squads, our intel informed us they were thinking of defecting, so we had them all executed. please forgive us for not notifying the CM staff but the the executions were performed post haste, and we had no time to notify anyone. thank you for your understanding! we'll try to do better next time! :D
lol. :rofl
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I agree with ImADot. Not that anyone cares but here is my 2 cents.
#1 - I admire Perdue's feedback
#2 - Good on Perdue for coming back each week to participate in FSO. :aok
#3 - Had the balance been on target (40/60 instead of 60/40), the results would have been different
And finally - Understanding the plane sets and based on the balance, our squad did 4 dimentional attacks on the target area. The P40 is best equipped in a dive and maintaining energy state where the A6 is better equipped for the turn. As a result, our approach for the attack was to send in the bulk of our B25 in on the deck with a clean up high altitude B25s coming in 5 to 8 minutes after the initial attack (well within the 60 minute requirement). The A6 would have been high in the beginning to at least be co alt for any fighter sweeps. If they had to dive in on the B25s that were NOE they risked their planes breaking apart in the dive, causing them to have to drop altitude slowly while having to fight nasty swarms of fast P40s. Being in B25s the first 2 frames, I can say that had there been 60% A6s instead of 40% A6s, we more than likely would have lost a much more significant amount of bombers than we did. In both instances, we did get jumped eventually and they were relentless.
Summary - Numbers would have changed the outcome and made this a much closer event than it was.
:salute to all those that do participate week in and week out. This past month for FSO really does show why participation is so important and highlights everyone's appreciation for each guy that makes it to every FSO. Mad props to the CM Team also. This month really did come down to the squads and the individual pilot. Participation does matter.
:cheers:
SlipKnoT
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To the CM staff: as for the AWOL squads, our intel informed us they were thinking of defecting, so we had them all executed. please forgive us for not notifying the CM staff but the the executions were performed post haste, and we had no time to notify anyone. thank you for your understanding! we'll try to do better next time! :D
:rofl :aok
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Still no time frame from CAP. The only date mentioned was December 20, 1941. As Sukov said, am I safe to assume this occurred in Jan-Feb 42?
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Perdue, have you ever considered writing up a setup and letting the CM's run it for you? i'd be interested to see how your setup would do under everyone elses scrutiny, as the CM's do week after week? just curious thats all.
To the CM staff: as for the AWOL squads, our intel informed us they were thinking of defecting, so we had them all executed. please forgive us for not notifying the CM staff but the the executions were performed post haste, and we had no time to notify anyone. thank you for your understanding! we'll try to do better next time! :D
Ive designed a snapshot before and was told by a CM that CM's were only allowed to design events. I knew that was a lie and a dark cloud started brewing from that day. It is still there...
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Still no time frame from CAP. The only date mentioned was December 20, 1941. As Sukov said, am I safe to assume this occurred in Jan-Feb 42?
It is better not to nail it down I guess.
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Why dont you just make you point perd? Your already "In it" might as well back up your haterism.
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If I make my point, they will have room to say "that is not the time frame this was in." Then my point will be moot. And I know CM's dont design events in a general fashion. There IS a time frame and before I hold water I have to know what that time frame is. We can all forget about about it and accept my apology or CAP can tell me when this event was supposed to take place and Ill either make my point or apologize for doubting him.
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You should apologize for your lack of humility and tact. It wouldnt be an issue if you conduct your questioning of the setup like an adult from the beginning.
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I did act like an adult...4 weeks ago before the event. No one would tell me the dates then either. I dont know why it has to be some mystery. Worst case scenario is CAP missed some details. Not like he hasn't done it before HAHA.
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Well, it is obvious that I am getting no where with this, so I will give up. Again, my apologies. See yall next week.
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perd.....man....I just don't know what to say...these guys put a hell of a lota time into these events.....
are they perfect...no....but they are an absolute blast.....and something they DO NOT have to do....
I just don't understand why you cant accept that....and move on.....and just appreciate the time and effort they put into it.
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perd.....man....I just don't know what to say...these guys put a hell of a lota time into these events.....
are they perfect...no....but they are an absolute blast.....and something they DO NOT have to do....
I just don't understand why you cant accept that....and move on.....and just appreciate the time and effort they put into it.
Just because they do not have to do it does not mean it is beyond reproach.
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I did act like an adult...4 weeks ago before the event. No one would tell me the dates then either. I dont know why it has to be some mystery. Worst case scenario is CAP missed some details. Not like he hasn't done it before HAHA.
Your attack then retreat schtick every month is getting pathetic. Stick to your guns and air out your greivences because Im sure most people would rather just have it out now then have to put up with your whines EVERY frame. Stand and deliver, Sir.
EDIT: Fixed You're to your
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Just because they do not have to do it does not mean it is beyond reproach.
not saying it is above reproach......
not in the slightest....if something is wrong then mention it and start a discussion but don't be condescending......
this is my opinion..... these guys deserve respect for what they do....
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not in the slightest....if something is wrong then mention it and start a discussion but don't be condescending......
Now I'm all confused... I thought condescension (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condescension) was a requirement to post on the boards.
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Now I'm all confused... I thought condescension (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condescension) was a requirement to post on the boards.
Only Sat-Thurs. Friday is an off day
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Uh oh, some big words are making an appearance and that can't be good...
Its an AVG 1942 setup. The AVG was operational from Dec 1941-July of 1942. Ok done. Secondly we have the RAF Hurricanes involved so that puts it Jan 42+ onwards. That also jibes with having Ki-43s and Ki-27s on the IJ side. So it's 1-42 to 7-42 inclusive. The first 6 months of 1942. It's Burma cuz the natives said thats where were were when we landed, at least that's what I recall...I do remember jungle, and fire, and a lot of shooting.
Hooray then mystery solved. Is there supposed to be something we all do now? shake hands?, sing? what? somebody help me out here im new to the thread. Is there a problem, were we supposed to fly to the ETO with our A6M2s and P-40s? did somebody spot the Yeti? did Beyonce really lipsink? throw me a bone here boys...
Is it safe to come out now?...sure a lot of fireworks for a basic score thread. Maybe let's all just back away and leave the way we came in hmm?
Anybody have directions to Rome via Mandalay by road? ;)
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Now I'm all confused... I thought condescension (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condescension) was a requirement to post on the boards.
:neener:
it would seem it sometimes
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Uh oh, some big words are making an appearance and that can't be good...
Its an AVG 1942 setup. The AVG was operational from Dec 1941-July of 1942. Ok done. Secondly we have the RAF Hurricanes involved so that puts it Jan 42+ onwards. That also jibes with having Ki-43s and Ki-27s on the IJ side. So it's 1-42 to 7-42 inclusive. The first 6 months of 1942. It's Burma cuz the natives said thats where were were when we landed, at least that's what I recall...I do remember jungle, and fire, and a lot of shooting.
Hooray then mystery solved. Is there supposed to be something we all do now? shake hands?, sing? what? somebody help me out here im new to the thread. Is there a problem, were we supposed to fly to the ETO with our A6M2s and P-40s? did somebody spot the Yeti? did Beyonce really lipsink? throw me a bone here boys...
Is it safe to come out now?...sure a lot of fireworks for a basic score thread. Maybe let's all just back away and leave the way we came in hmm?
Anybody have directions to Rome via Mandalay by road? ;)
Well thank you for clearing that up CM. See how easy it was to answer a simple question.
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Well thank you for clearing that up CM. See how easy it was to answer a simple question.
yeah pathetically easy So lets have perd come back up his OP or apologise for it.
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yeah pathetically easy So lets have perd come back up his OP or apologise for it.
:rofl Oh ham you are hilarious.
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Why? For calling out poor behaviour on so consistant a basis as displayed by Perd? Its called accountability something your lead may lack, if some of the grumbles I hear are true.
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Uh oh, some big words are making an appearance and that can't be good...
Its an AVG 1942 setup. The AVG was operational from Dec 1941-July of 1942. Ok done. Secondly we have the RAF Hurricanes involved so that puts it Jan 42+ onwards. That also jibes with having Ki-43s and Ki-27s on the IJ side. So it's 1-42 to 7-42 inclusive. The first 6 months of 1942. It's Burma cuz the natives said thats where were were when we landed, at least that's what I recall...I do remember jungle, and fire, and a lot of shooting.
Hooray then mystery solved. Is there supposed to be something we all do now? shake hands?, sing? what? somebody help me out here im new to the thread. Is there a problem, were we supposed to fly to the ETO with our A6M2s and P-40s? did somebody spot the Yeti? did Beyonce really lipsink? throw me a bone here boys...
Is it safe to come out now?...sure a lot of fireworks for a basic score thread. Maybe let's all just back away and leave the way we came in hmm?
Anybody have directions to Rome via Mandalay by road? ;)
Thank you. My inaccuracy accusation is now flawed due to your answer. That wasnt so hard was it Mr CM?
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Thank you. My inaccuracy accusation is now flawed due to your answer. That wasnt so hard was it Mr CM?
Its not hard to get information BEFORE the accusations either.
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CAP can tell me when this event was supposed to take place and Ill either make my point or apologize for doubting him.
The proverbial ball is in your court, Perd.
:salute
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...And I another reason I like FSO is that it encourages me to get off my backside and start hunting through the bookshelves behind me to look for something relevant.
I dusted off Christopher Shore's "Air War for Burma: The Allied Air Forces Fight Back in South-East Asia 1942-1945 (The Bloody Shambles Series, Vol. 3)" and you just know with a title that long it has to be a great read.
The incredible detail of each day of the fight that he provides is amazing. Luckily I am now old enough that each time I pick it up to read it seems like the first time.
Fully recommended if you want to tie in a date and a plane type and a battle just for the individual comfort and general betterment attained in gaining knowledge simply for the sheer joy of it.
http://www.amazon.com/Air-War-Burma-South-East-1942-1945/dp/1904010954/ref=pd_sim_b_2 (http://www.amazon.com/Air-War-Burma-South-East-1942-1945/dp/1904010954/ref=pd_sim_b_2)
Interestingly he also co-wrote this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J6J3EYCVL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Haven't read it. Might be worth my while grabbing it one day.
rgds
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I am sorry I doubted you CM's. <S>
I do believe however that the information I requested took WAY too long to be released, but it was released nonetheless which is rare. Til next time!
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yeah pathetically easy So lets have perd come back up his OP or apologise for it.
If it was so "pathetically easy" then why didn't you tell us all way back on page 2. No, added no factual information to alleviate the debate like Squire did. You just elicited insults yourself. It always amazed me on this board that someone could ask a question and get all kinds of comments and answers from people not even being asked. (really good in the bugs board)
As for 'fun'. It doesn't have anything to do with setups. You can fly for the sake of comradeship and for formulated competition but still have a lousy setup (not referring to this one necessarily)
this was an ok FSO. it just needed a touch more clarity and suffered from unforeseen attendance % issue. I know that CAP will make any adjustments if needed. As long as you guys cool it and allow for feedback.
Thanks Dantoo for the info. :salute
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I responded to the piss poor way of communicating your friend has. The dude has 0 humility,your defense of his consistently inflammatory and ill conceived posts makes me think you need to be lumped in with him as his enabler.
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I responded to the piss poor way of communicating your friend has. The dude has 0 humility,your defense of his consistently inflammatory and ill conceived posts makes me think you need to be lumped in with him as his enabler.
We are glad you are here to "tell it like it is." :lol
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We are glad you are here to "tell it like it is." :lol
What? You don't like seeing it out in the open? Is that becasue its so close to your own thoughts? GO back check out the first 9 posts and tell me where did this thread go bad? :ahand
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What? You don't like seeing it out in the open? Is that becasue its so close to your own thoughts? GO back check out the first 9 posts and tell me where did this thread go bad? :ahand
Don't know how you got that from my comment keep going though it is entertaining.
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Don't know how you got that from my comment keep going though it is entertaining.
I'm not sure you are doing anything but trolling. Since you dont seem to be adding much I wont give you the benefit of the doubt.
Good day sir!
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This guy makes me look good. Who is he?
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This guy makes me look good. Who is he?
Same guy you asked a few months ago to stop making fun of you since you stated you can dish it but not take it. I told you I would hold you to good behaviour and will call you out when you step out of line, well you have been consistently out of line. Seems you can not hold up your end of the bargain.
EDIT: So I call you out or I make you upset like last time. Your choice. Shape up or take the gruff again.
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Same guy you asked a few months ago to stop making fun of you since you stated you can dish it but not take it. I told you I would hold you to good behaviour and will call you out when you step out of line, well you have been consistently out of line. Seems you can not hold up your end of the bargain.
EDIT: So I call you out or I make you upset like last time. Your choice. Shape up or take the gruff again.
The white knight returneth!
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The white knight returneth!
I said GOOD DAY!
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Oh yea, the guy that followed me around. We had a PM session. I remember now. I remember you said you are not serious on the boards. So I will not take you seriously. I dont remember making any deal with you. Refresh me please.
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(http://files.sharenator.com/I_smell_trolls_I_have_a_few_questions-s400x400-140415-565.jpg)
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time to let it go guys.
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time to let it go guys.
You're right Im sorry atleast Perd is working on humility If you still want to fight, lets do it in PMs. No need to trash the FSO forum any more than I have done already.
and its not a fight Im correcting your behaviour.
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Publicizing PMs...
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Publicizing PMs...
Sorry Cap this will be my last reply in this thread. PErd you asked me to publisie a PM earlier once again your being contrarty to yourself. Oh yea, the guy that followed me around. We had a PM session. I remember now. I remember you said you are not serious on the boards. So I will not take you seriously. I dont remember making any deal with you. Refresh me please.
No please let it lie until nextime you blast someone for no reason.
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Ill admit I dug myself a whole in this thread. I needed a time frame before i could argue and I eventually got one. That time frame made this event more accurate than I previously thought. I have apologized and moved on to next FSO. Wanna join me?