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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: perdue3 on April 10, 2013, 05:01:24 PM
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Posting private conversations, on a public forum will get you banned from said forum, for life.
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Nothing good will come of this. The FSO BBS is not for dealing with issues like this. The reason for your suspension was made clear to you in an email.
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Nothing good will come of this. The FSO BBS is not for dealing with issues like this. The reason for your suspension was made clear to you in an email.
I am not asking for an explanation. I am publicizing the issue. If that is against the rules I will delete it or you can.
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Seems like a heavy hand was used because the forum was down and they saw an opportunity.
The canceling of CiC duty was uncalled for.
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Seems like a heavy hand was used because the forum was down and they saw an opportunity.
The canceling of CiC duty was uncalled for.
indeed
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Nothing good will come of this. The FSO BBS is not for dealing with issues like this. The reason for your suspension was made clear to you in an email.
As a squad we all feel that Perd has not been given any representation and to ban him while the forums was down smells fishy. It would be foolish to think that most people in FSO, which is a small community where things like this are noticed, need to have blinders pulled over their eyes.
I understand the ban, what I don't understand is that one person who gets a slightly spicy e-mail concerning a fso frame design (and I dare any of you to read over the rules and tell me otherwise) which is asking for clarification more then anything else, can forward that e-mail to someone with a moderate amount of authority, and with no due process, gets that someone banned for a frame, CiC duty removed (there are others in KN you know), and basically derided publicly.
I am sure all of us have had to satisfy a player in a game that has very high standards and is vocal with his/her opinion. The mistake is to disregard what that person says offhand.
So don't say 'this is not the place to talk about this' when there is no place to discuss this. . . I for one want to see the minuets and the voting record for exec. decisions to make sure that I am being represented since clearly perd has been sent out to pasture.
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Good riddance.
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Good riddance.
Fair enough.
"Nothing good will come of this."
I seriously doubt that. I am sure the CM Forum will erupt with laughter and high 5's all around. So at least I can provide a bit of camaraderie and entertainment for the CM Team.
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perdue3
In case you don't know this already I'll tell you now.
I am not a wall of text poster, I don't always spell things correctly and I'm from the deep south.
I expect and demand a lot from my volunteer CM's and will not hesitate to crack down on them when they are wrong.
So don't expect me to hesitate with you.
I know there is a past history with you and the CM Team and that's exactly what it is "The Past".
Emailing a Special Event's CM about an Aces High Special Event makes it Special Event Business, therefore makes it my business.
You where suspended from the event for a period of time by the Team Lead of that event not banned as you say.
Suspended means your not allowed in the event for the suspension time.
Unless of course you decide to further disrupt said event, then it becomes a ban.
Banned means you will never be allowed back in said event.
For a very long time I have watched you poke and prod the CM's of different event's because in your eyes their event
rules, writeup, historical references, aircraft references, matchups and so on where all wrong.
Well you are entitled to your opinion just as every one else is, but the poking and proding to try and start an
argument with a CM or the CM Team stops here and stops now.
Should you have a problem with a CM from this point forward you will address it with myself or whom ever the CM Team C.O.
may be at that time. Right now it's me.
midi
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Ok, expect a lot of PM's.
Who says I poke and prod to start an argument? I poke and prod to get them and everyone else thinking on the matter at hand t otry and maybe get it changed or altered in some way. Sure, I can be a bit more abrasive than needed and for that I apologize. But I dont start arguments on purpose. The designer generally gets defensive and doesnt answer the question or acknowledge the flaw I have mentioned.
This poking and prodding you speak of needs a concrete definition. Will you please PM me what I can and can not do when posting to a CM please? I want to be crystal clear at my limits so that this sort of thing does not happen. Please do not say "read the rules" or "you should know by now". I was warned once by Michelle and she explained beautifully what to do and what not to do but I imagine her system has changed LOLZ, so Ill need a new explanation from the new CM CO please. If this is too much to ask, just ban me from the forums now because I am sure the next designer I criticize will see that it is done.
Thank you for your clarification and reasoning. And thank you for the future PM of clarification <S>
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perdue3
In case you don't know this already I'll tell you now.
I am not a wall of text poster, I don't always spell things correctly and I'm from the deep south.
I expect and demand a lot from my volunteer CM's and will not hesitate to crack down on them when they are wrong.
So don't expect me to hesitate with you.
I know there is a past history with you and the CM Team and that's exactly what it is "The Past".
Emailing a Special Event's CM about an Aces High Special Event makes it Special Event Business, therefore makes it my business.
You where suspended from the event for a period of time by the Team Lead of that event not banned as you say.
Suspended means your not allowed in the event for the suspension time.
Unless of course you decide to further disrupt said event, then it becomes a ban.
Banned means you will never be allowed back in said event.
For a very long time I have watched you poke and prod the CM's of different event's because in your eyes their event
rules, writeup, historical references, aircraft references, matchups and so on where all wrong.
Well you are entitled to your opinion just as every one else is, but the poking and proding to try and start an
argument with a CM or the CM Team stops here and stops now.
Should you have a problem with a CM from this point forward you will address it with myself or whom ever the CM Team C.O.
may be at that time. Right now it's me.
midi
So what you are saying is a player cannot express his problems with setups?
You are making a rule for a single player because this player doesn't always agree with setups or rules in that setup?
Sounds like you change the rules around to get rid of players who don't agree with you or other CMs.
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To me, it seems like a rule was made up along the way to see me suspended. I know the FSO CM Team wasn't involved with the decision making. Seems like a special situation came up and the FSO Team Lead saw an opportunity and struck. Granted I blatantly broke the forum rule however I wasnt on the forum. It was, what I thought, a personal and private email. But you say since it was to a CM about an event it is not personal, even though it is an email. I find that somewhat sketchy. I feel like a victim of oppression and tyranny. Warloc's decision was in fact tyrannical. If I thought that what I said to Shifty, in an email mind you, would get me suspended I wouldn't have said it. I WOULD NEVER say that on this BBS. EVER. But a personal email? Why not. "They can't say anything about what I email to people" was exactly my thought. As I said earlier, I am not looking for a pardon. I am simply asking questions. And according to you midi, I cant do that any more because it is considered either poking or prodding a CM. And that is grounds for suspension? I am a little confused on the poking/prodding thing and I will need an explanation if you please. This is merely a discussion, I dont want any blood boiling.
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Yep ... it's the movie I never wanted to see .... anyway. :D
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Perd, you've been stirring up crap in this forum for a long time and have made it clear you really don't like anything about FSO and publically try to pick fights for months on end....
And you wonder why you were banned?
Straw that broke the camel's back, man. Straw that broke the camel's back.
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Perd, you've been stirring up crap in this forum for a long time and have made it clear you really don't like anything about FSO and publically try to pick fights for months on end....
And you wonder why you were banned?
Straw that broke the camel's back, man. Straw that broke the camel's back.
everyone should have a voice and representation. . .this is just mafia.
And this is the crux of it here, and why all the trolling is off - it is not the ban, or even how the ban was done extra-judicially (we call that corruption in the industry btw) but that the entire squad takes the hit by losing CiC duty (which KN has a proud history of doing a bang on job with that sort of thing) and that we and specifically I (since I represent myself here) have to deal with this unnecessary drama. Blame perd you say? Well, the post made here is good and fair - and it deserves a fair 5 mins without instant dismissal because it is perd - that is bias and unacceptable (unless you are a fan of dictatorships).
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Here, I'll remove the last few pics displaying my mirth over this pity thread. :D
Good luck now. :aok
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Arlo,
No offence but what you are doing on here IS poking and prodding!!!! Maybe you should be suspended. Stop acting like a 15 year old kid and make constructive critisizm. We all need to try to cooperate to resolve this. This is not an elementary playground where everyone wants to pick on the 1 kid. FSO is the best thing about AH and I really don't want to see it get ruined because someones feelings got hurt. We all need to grow up!!!
Arlo, no more picture comments. Thats really just plain childish!!!!
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:D
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Not that my opinion matters but here it is anyways....
Perdweeb, speaking as a fellow CO and as someone who got the LCA suspended as a squad for an entire month from FSO, do your time and then come back next month and lets enjoy the reason we are really here...to enjoy the fight and fly with friends. Its obvious by the support from your squaddies that they like and respect you, and look to you for leadership and direction. Time to be that leader and clean this up. Don't let them sour their attitudes about FSO, by having to defend you on the BBS.
I know that the Kommando Nowonty has never really cared for me, that's ok, I do like and respect you guys though and what you all bring to the special events. And I thank you all for the help you all gave me during the Road to Rangoon scenario a few years back.
Serve the time and come back....fights in the air...not on the boards.
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So what you are saying is a player cannot express his problems with setups?
You are making a rule for a single player because this player doesn't always agree with setups or rules in that setup?
Sounds like you change the rules around to get rid of players who don't agree with you or other CMs.
I'll take the lead on this one. First off, those are your words, not mrmidi's. I find this type of post useless, derogatory, and ignorant. You want to know what someone means by what they say, then simply ask if you do not understand. Do not make the same mistake with me. If you do not know what I am saying, then ask. Do not presume to put words in my mouth. It will get you nowhere, fast.
Anyone can express an opinion, BUT if you do so in a disrespectful manner, then do not expect to get a cookie for it. That has always been the case and will always be the case.
If you treat a volunteer with disrespect, I will gladly ban you from the bulletin board. I have a very strong disdain for people who treat volunteers with disrespect. If the CM treats a player with disrespect, that CM will be dropped from the team. I have no patience for that either.
Now, if you need a line drawn in the sand as to what constitutes "disrespect", you will not get it from me, nor anyone on the CM team. If you do not know what it is, that is your problem, not mine, nor the CM teams.
You can accept it, or not accept, but this continued goading is stopping now.
Posting anything from an email, without express consent from the sender is not only unethical, but it may be illegal in your state (it is here). It will get you banned from this board. If you have a a problem with that, it is your problem. Same for PM's Those are private communications.
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Posting anything from an email, without express consent from the sender is actually illegal. It will get you banned from this board. If you have a a problem with that, take it up with your local representative. Same for PM's Those are private communications.
I have personally seen my PM's to a number of CM's pasted all over the CM Forum. I have been banned for a PM to CAP1 with suggestions to improve his poor design.
Skuzzy, if posting anything from an email, without express consent from the sender is illegal, how did I get suspended? I sent an email to one person and one person only. Are you telling me that Warloc broke the law to suspend me?
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If you know an email or PM was publicly shared, then send me the pertinent data. The matter will be addressed.
How is it you had access to a private forum?
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If you know an email or PM was publicly shared, then send me the pertinent data. The matter will be addressed.
How is it you had access to a private forum?
A former member of the private forum released the information. In the end, the words can't be proven because they were sent via email, thus the person could've edited the information. I don't feel a need to pursue that endeavor. I was merely making a point that it seems certain people in this community can get away with things that others can not. Furthermore some people are struck down by desperate measures like a Private Message is reported then a suspension is carried out, a post in a private forum is reported and a suspension is carried out, and the most recent a private email is reported and a suspension is carried out without consulting the FSO CM Team or HTC Staff.
To me, and I am most likely wrong, it seemed like the FSO CM CO saw an opportunity to strike and did. No due process, and little justification of the suspension. If an email is considered private, how and why am I suspended? By your first post Skuzzy, there is no reason why I should be suspended from FSO because of something I said in an email to another person concerning Aces High.
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I like transparency.
Cha-ching $00.02
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There are a few lessons to be learned here:
- Crafting an intentionally abrasive online persona might get you in time out
- Pleading innocence while carrying the above reputation gets you nowhere
I do however applaud KN for sticking by the Dweeb. As someone who has flown with squaddies who love to do nothing but create drama at every opportunity, it gets old. Gold bless you guys.
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I am not saying I am innocent. What I said was a rule violation...on this forum. I wan't on the forum. Also, the correct measures were not taken. Two wrongs do not make a right. I feel that I did wrong, I also feel that Warloc did wrong. I get punished and everyone applauds Warloc.
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Warloc did not follow protocol. SheGotYa didn't either, look where she is and look where Warloc is.
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I feel that I did wrong, I also feel that Warloc did wrong. I get punished and everyone applauds Warloc.
I know I personally don't care. Your persona does not allow many people to like you. You know this. Despite the ability to reread and edit before you press submit, you routinely take the more offensive of two paths. I haven't been here for much longer than a year and I already dismiss everything that follows your avatar as intentionally provocative trash. The sad part is, you obviously aren't this way to everyone in your squad. I doubt anyone would want to fly with you if you were. So this must mean you enjoy acting the way you do toward 95% of the community. Even if this is truly a borderline suspension, are you surprised that so few are coming to your aid?
Of course you aren't. Anything else we can talk about that you already know?
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I know I personally don't care. Your persona does not allow many people to like you. You know this. Despite the ability to reread and edit before you press submit, you routinely take the more offensive of two paths. I haven't been here for much longer than a year and I already dismiss everything that follows your avatar as intentionally provocative trash. The sad part is, you obviously aren't this way to everyone in your squad. I doubt anyone would want to fly with you if you were. So this must mean you enjoy acting the way you do toward 95% of the community. Even if this is truly a borderline suspension, are you surprised that so few are coming to your aid?
Of course you aren't. Anything else we can talk about that you already know?
:lol
This whole soviet set up must be rubbing off on some people. Stick by it triton, even if it is wrong it will still be endorsed.
You decide who this should be for, I know.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/196251
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My apologies, all.
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I'll take the lead on this one. First off, those are your words, not mrmidi's. I find this type of post useless, derogatory, and ignorant. You want to know what someone means by what they say, then simply ask if you do not understand. Do not make the same mistake with me. If you do not know what I am saying, then ask. Do not presume to put words in my mouth. It will get you nowhere, fast.
Anyone can express an opinion, BUT if you do so in a disrespectful manner, then do not expect to get a cookie for it. That has always been the case and will always be the case.
If you treat a volunteer with disrespect, I will gladly ban you from the bulletin board. I have a very strong disdain for people who treat volunteers with disrespect. If the CM treats a player with disrespect, that CM will be dropped from the team. I have no patience for that either.
Now, if you need a line drawn in the sand as to what constitutes "disrespect", you will not get it from me, nor anyone on the CM team. If you do not know what it is, that is your problem, not mine, nor the CM teams.
You can accept it, or not accept, but this continued goading is stopping now.
Posting anything from an email, without express consent from the sender is not only unethical, but it may be illegal in your state (it is here). It will get you banned from this board. If you have a a problem with that, it is your problem. Same for PM's Those are private communications.
Considering there were question marks at then end of the sentences I thought that is what I was doing. There was nothing derogatory about it. I find it funny that perd gets suspended for a private email that was forwarded to someone other than the intended recipient. He then can get banned from the board for doing the same thing.
As for the "volunteers" more more if you bring up a problem with their setups it is treated as if you disrespected them.
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My apologies, all.
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Not IF .... HOW. These volunteers give their time to make FSO possible. Supposedly FSO is the only part
of AHII that Perdue enjoys now. That makes his general behavior within this particular part of the community rather
curious if not outright ironic.
I see plenty of KNs jumping in to 'defend' him .... in the worse possible way imaginable. And all of this amongst
honor threads for various KN milestones where FSO participants outside your squadron offer further congrats.
The best favor your could do for him, as a friend and squad mate, would be to encourage him to zip it up during
his hiatus from FSO and to perhaps help him grow as an adult (though I'm not sure his age) and 'leader.'
Less than 90 days. Think of it as Perdue going through rehab.
Wow really? When you really love something you try to do your best to make it even better, and more fun for everyone else. Some certain people won't let him give his opinion, and even when perd does it is usually quickly dismissed. The CMs should try to be a bit more open minded and realize they are not they are not going to right in every decision they make.
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My apologies, all.
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Everyone else? Or Perdue and his squad? Give me an example of Perdue arguing either
the content or context of rules in a setup that involved anyone other than himself,
his squad or his side. Honestly, I don't see him having the character to even try.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,344273.msg4548601.html#msg4548601
BOOM!
That is just the most recent.
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edit: never mind. I'm taking the high road.
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That is but one of MANY instances.
He asked for an example there it is.
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edit: never mind. I'm taking the high road.
Too late.
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Everyone else? Or Perdue and his squad? Give me an example of Perdue arguing either
the content or context of rules in a setup that involved making FSO more fun anyone
other than himself, his squad or his side. Honestly, I don't see him having the character
to even try.
Nice edit after I already responded :rofl
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My apologies, all.
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My apologies, all.
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Everyone else? Or Perdue and his squad? Give me an example of Perdue arguing either
the content or context of rules in a setup that involved anyone other than himself,
his squad or his side. Honestly, I don't see him having the character to even try.
Even with people who may dislike perd and his 'attitude' in general, I very much doubt that you will find many who would agree with this statement. If anything, he has taken an interest (as with the rest of the squad) in every scenario and fso studying the maps and looking at the objectives, and has been a vocal critic of some 'rules'. . . your accusation which includes a personal attack on his character "Honestly, I don't see him having the character to even try." is far more harsh than anything he or any of us have said in this post. Should he send this up and have you banned? No, because of his character.
This is the kind of thing I have been talking about.
Now about me, I am a Pig in MA, I think there are quite a few baconites who will vouch for my character as someone who does not take sides for sentimental or personal reasons - I see a real disparity here, I see someone getting ganged up on the same way Midway was in the MA. People go too far, and people are well overstepping here. I implore you to read perd's original post - he is not saying the ban is wrong (even though there is a wierd gray zone there) or that he was banned - but how he was banned and how far that ban went. The squad CiC duties should not have been a part of the ban, and the reason it was part of the ban is because there was not proper due process. That is my problem - you picking on perd is not my problem.
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Too late.
Doesn't count because I mis-read the point of the post I was replying to, then when I went to edit it decided it wasn't worth getting into.
Suffice it to say, high road or not, the comment has been removed as not applicable.
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My apologies all.
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Honestly, I don't see him having the character to even try.
That is harsh. Again, my point overlooked because of my reputation. That's the bad part about notoriety.
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And all of this amongst
honor threads for various KN milestones where FSO participants outside your squadron offer further congrats.
I believe you are confusing squadrons.
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My apologies, all.
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I believe you are confusing squadrons.
By Cod, you're right. My earnest apologies.
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My apologies, all.
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A friend reminded me of an old saying passed onto me by my family that I should heed.
'If you ain't got nuthin' nice to say about someone or something then it's best not to say
anything, at all. Unless you're suing them. And leave the talkin' to yer lawyer.'
(The advice was free and worth passing on. Advice is one of things you can give
and still keep - if you're wise.)
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Had a busy day today.
Every player has recourse in the event of a break down, real or perceived, when an event does not go the way they think it should or for any other ailment regarding the execution of an event.
Posting a public diatribe about it is not one of the options. You can address it with the lead CM or his CO, or both. If you are not getting satisfaction, you can address it with me. Not like what I have to say? Address it with HiTech. I can be reached any number of ways, as can HiTech. Do not jump over me though as Hitech will send you right back to me. We respect each other.
It is called a chain of command and it works.
The time and place for these discussions is not during the event. It is not via a public diatribe on a bulletin board. It is an email, PM, phone call, or any mixture of the three. This helps to maintain focus and not get off point, as this very thread has demonstrated how it can happen.
If you chose to not use the tools provided, it is your choice, but it will not be viewed as a favorable choice. Take that to the bank.
Onward....
For the benefit of everyone here. Starting a question with the words, "Are you saying...." is a leading question which has no other intent than to put words in someones mouth. If you fail to understand how something is presented to you, then ask for further clarification. Perfectly acceptable to do so as we all know a simple matter of a perspective shift and what was said could take on a very different light.
I will not address what is said in a private forum and has been taken out of context by players who are not supposed to be privy to said forum. Any acts of impropriety have always been dealt with swiftly. I am not aware of anyone currently on the CM team who has shared any private communication. That is all I will say on this matter, as there is nothing left to say.
CM's have earned the right to govern the events as they see fit. They are under a magnifying glass. Not only the community, but HTC also watches them. If anyone choses to be disruptive in an event, then you have also made the choice to be ejected from said event. If this is repeated, then suspension is absolutely the correct thing to do.
Why have they earned it? By the mere fact of all the personal time they have put forth to organize, design, and implement events for everyone in the game. By that sole token, they are due respect, unless they act in a manner where they do not deserve it. At that point, we (HTC) get involved and take care of it. It has happened. It is sad when it does.
At this moment, we (HTC) back the CM's and the decisions made one hundred percent. If any of you have a grievance, then use the chain of command. Anything said in this thread is just noise, chest thumping, flag waving and does not warrant any action than what I have already given.
If you really want to get something resolved, then do what I have said. If you are just wanting to stir the pot, then move along.
P.S. If you think I am addressing any grievances in this post, then you are sadly mistaken. I do not consider bulletin board diatribes "grievances".
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I believe you are confusing squadrons.
:rofl
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Had a busy day today.
Every player has recourse in the event of a break down, real or perceived, when an event does not go the way they think it should or for any other ailment regarding the execution of an event.
Posting a public diatribe about it is not one of the options. You can address it with the lead CM or his CO, or both. If you are not getting satisfaction, you can address it with me. Not like what I have to say? Address it with HiTech. I can be reached any number of ways, as can HiTech. Do not jump over me though as Hitech will send you right back to me. We respect each other.
It is called a chain of command and it works.
The time and place for these discussions is not during the event. It is not via a public diatribe on a bulletin board. It is an email, PM, phone call, or any mixture of the three. This helps to maintain focus and not get off point, as this very thread has demonstrated how it can happen.
If you chose to not use the tools provided, it is your choice, but it will not be viewed as a favorable choice. Take that to the bank.
Onward....
For the benefit of everyone here. Starting a question with the words, "Are you saying...." is a leading question which has no other intent than to put words in someones mouth. If you fail to understand how something is presented to you, then ask for further clarification. Perfectly acceptable to do so as we all know a simple matter of a perspective shift and what was said could take on a very different light.
I will not address what is said in a private forum and has been taken out of context by players who are not supposed to be privy to said forum. Any acts of impropriety have always been dealt with swiftly. I am not aware of anyone currently on the CM team who has shared any private communication. That is all I will say on this matter, as there is nothing left to say.
CM's have earned the right to govern the events as they see fit. They are under a magnifying glass. Not only the community, but HTC also watches them. If anyone choses to be disruptive in an event, then you have also made the choice to be ejected from said event. If this is repeated, then suspension is absolutely the correct thing to do.
Why have they earned it? By the mere fact of all the personal time they have put forth to organize, design, and implement events for everyone in the game. By that sole token, they are due respect, unless they act in a manner where they do not deserve it. At that point, we (HTC) get involved and take care of it. It has happened. It is sad when it does.
At this moment, we (HTC) back the CM's and the decisions made one hundred percent. If any of you have a grievance, then use the chain of command. Anything said in this thread is just noise, chest thumping, flag waving and does not warrant any action than what I have already given.
If you really want to get something resolved, then do what I have said. If you are just wanting to stir the pot, then move along.
P.S. If you think I am addressing any grievances in this post, then you are sadly mistaken. I do not consider bulletin board diatribes "grievances".
So are you saying that all problems should be handled through PM?
If we handled it through seemingly "private" emails/PMs can they be used to suspend us?
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So are you saying that all problems should be handled through PM?
If we handled it through seemingly "private" emails/PMs can they be used to suspend us?
I believe I offered a couple of methods to deal with issues, along with a chain to follow for resolution. Your, "so you are saying" appears to be trying its best to dilute the possible paths of resolution.
What part did you not understand?
Suspended from what?
As general statement, you could be banned or suspended from anything should you chose to act in an inappropriate manner. Act that way in a bar, and they throw you out. Restaurant, same thing. Pretty much any public venue applies.
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I believe I offered a couple of methods to deal with issues, along with a chain to follow for resolution. Your, "so you are saying" appears to be trying its best to dilute the possible paths of resolution.
What part did you not understand?
Suspended from what?
As general statement, you could be banned or suspended from anything should you chose to act in an inappropriate manner. Act that way in a bar, and they throw you out. Restaurant, same thing. Pretty much any public venue applies.
Can some private correspondence be used to ban people from either the board or the AH event known as FSO?
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Can some private correspondence be used to ban people from either the board or the AH event known as FSO?
If the correspondence is inappropriate, then yes it can. The details of how that happens is not defined in this context.