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Title: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: EagleOne on May 02, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
Caught starlite "practicing 110 vs lancs" in midwar with awacz. Did some research on stats, turns out he practices ALOT on awacz lancs,and other planes/gvs but awacz doesnt get any practice time :(
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: caldera on May 02, 2013, 07:10:42 PM
Good catch, Eagleone.

Starlite, welcome to the "Hall of Shades".

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/starlite.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/starlite.jpg.html)

(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/starlite-2.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/starlite-2.jpg.html)



Out of 256 total kills on "Awacz", Starlite has 251!   Somewhere, FrauB is breathing a sigh of relief.  ;)
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 02, 2013, 07:11:35 PM
Farming perks on a shade account for what they can never do in the late war arena on their own. Sad
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: EagleOne on May 02, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
and earning "Reputation" points on the historical achievements
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: rpm on May 02, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
Good catch, Eagleone.
+1
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Citabria on May 02, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
the funny part is they don't know what they are missing doing achievements especially the hard ones the way they were intended to be done.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Pand on May 02, 2013, 07:45:15 PM
the funny part is they don't know what they are missing doing achievements especially the hard ones the way they were intended to be done.
Exactly Fester!
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: TOMCAT21 on May 02, 2013, 07:45:55 PM
+1     :uhoh :headscratch:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Fulcrum on May 02, 2013, 07:50:56 PM
I seriously don't get the point of doing this kinda stuff....so you can fly a "uber" plane you will still suck in / die in quickly and in an embarrassing fashion?   :headscratch:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BiPoLaR on May 02, 2013, 08:38:50 PM
People are going to continue shade killing. Nothing is being done about it. Their risk vs reward is a bit one sided.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: USAFCAPcTSgt on May 02, 2013, 09:02:03 PM
Quite honestly.  HTC really doesn't care.  They see a player paying $29.90 a month.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: guncrasher on May 02, 2013, 09:16:27 PM
the sad thing is that some use shades during their 2 week trial.


semp
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 02, 2013, 11:44:51 PM
Well we could all quit and leave the game to the shade vulchers until something is done about it.  I'm guessing the honest players account for more revenue than the shaders.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Zacherof on May 03, 2013, 12:22:20 AM
the sad thing is that some use shades during their 2 week trial.


semp

them dorks!
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 12:26:07 AM
Quite honestly.  HTC really doesn't care.  They see a player paying $29.90 a month.
That's actually a bargain, two accounts for the price we had to pay ten years ago for one. This is a common thing in all mmog's. I don't know why I haven't started another account yet but I hope this really catches on. This is potentially a big bump in revenue for HTC. That means more development, more advertising, more players. Having only 60 players in the main arena sux, having less than 100 sucks. I, for one, am on board with this.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 03, 2013, 12:32:52 AM
You guys sure caught him good.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2013, 12:33:27 AM
$15 a month is a major bargain.. Consider this - most games that are pay to play, have a "buy" system in which you can buy things to improve your game at a cost. Early World of Warcraft was great, there was no "buy" system, you just bought gold. Later on you could buy characters and not even have to level them.
Aces High reminds me of a Japanese sushi bar I loved, one of their biggest problems is they never charged enough and closed down- there food was so good I would pay double for it, however they ran themselves into the ground being cheap.

Even if Aces high was $20 or $25 Its still cheap considering the hours of play/spent in game vs other games on the market.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: NatCigg on May 03, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
 :headscratch: I want to have two accounts so i can bomb all the fighter hangers on a large field in one pass.  :bolt:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 03, 2013, 02:26:13 PM
You guys sure caught him good.

 :uhoh

Here comes another lameness defense.
 
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Lusche on May 03, 2013, 02:33:02 PM
:headscratch: I want to have two accounts so i can bomb all the fighter hangers on a large field in one pass.  :bolt:

There would be nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Karnak on May 03, 2013, 02:42:09 PM
the funny part is they don't know what they are missing doing achievements especially the hard ones the way they were intended to be done.
Very much this.  It isn't an achievement if you cheated to get it.  The only person you are really cheating is yourself.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: mechanic on May 03, 2013, 02:45:02 PM
$15 a month is a major bargain.. Consider this - most games that are pay to play, have a "buy" system in which you can buy things to improve your game at a cost. Early World of Warcraft was great, there was no "buy" system, you just bought gold. Later on you could buy characters and not even have to level them.
Aces High reminds me of a Japanese sushi bar I loved, one of their biggest problems is they never charged enough and closed down- there food was so good I would pay double for it, however they ran themselves into the ground being cheap.

Even if Aces high was $20 or $25 Its still cheap considering the hours of play/spent in game vs other games on the market.


I wouldn't pay that much, I only play a few hours a month. I keep paying even when I play very little because it is a good deal. Have been a constant subscriber for coming up to ten years this autumn because the price is reasonable. If they doubled the price I doubt they would bring in exactly double the money because a lot of folks would be forced to cancel subs during quiet months.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 04:42:26 PM
Very much this.  It isn't an achievement if you cheated to get it.  The only person you are really cheating is yourself.
I can't tell if you and fester are being sarcastic or not.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Karnak on May 03, 2013, 04:50:51 PM
I can't tell if you and fester are being sarcastic or not.

I am not.  An achievement is only worth doing if you do it fairly.  If you just cheat, well, who are you impressing with the bits of data that show you have it?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2013, 05:31:45 PM

I wouldn't pay that much, I only play a few hours a month. I keep paying even when I play very little because it is a good deal. Have been a constant subscriber for coming up to ten years this autumn because the price is reasonable. If they doubled the price I doubt they would bring in exactly double the money because a lot of folks would be forced to cancel subs during quiet months.

I haven't looked, but I rarely flew if 1 sortie in the previous 9 months, I still paid my account - I didn't want to lose my perks as I felt I was going to eventually come back, but I think I just recently canceled all together only to in fact fly again.

There is something missing, I dunno but I just dont feel the same coming back as I normally do, I'm usually eager to get flying and in the training arena helping - but I think I'm just going to probably end up flying a few times and giving up for good.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: mechanic on May 03, 2013, 05:34:09 PM
Try something new? Have you done the whole dueing things yet? Or maybe the smart flying MA survival thing? Or if you have done that a lot then the crzy low alt MA suicide furball thing? Any part of the game you have not got into yet?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 03, 2013, 05:43:09 PM
Try something new? Have you done the whole dueing things yet? Or maybe the smart flying MA survival thing? Or if you have done that a lot then the crzy low alt MA suicide furball thing? Any part of the game you have not got into yet?

I've done everything a few times around, the achievements are silly as I've completed if not everyone of them a few times - even the impossible ones (before the system came out) so it gives me no interest in attempting to do them again when I can count on my fingers how many times I've done each one.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Tracerfi on May 03, 2013, 06:02:08 PM
BURN HIM!!!!!!!!!  :rofl
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 06:17:28 PM
I am not.  An achievement is only worth doing if you do it fairly.  If you just cheat, well, who are you impressing with the bits of data that show you have it?
And if you don't cheat who are you impressing with the bits of data? Is it worth it to be that emotionally invested in a video game? All video games are just variations of space invaders and pac man.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Slade on May 03, 2013, 06:23:50 PM
Wow.  Thats almost as bad as folks using the rearm pad to pad their scores.  Which a GAZILLION peep do!

You have to make this game your own I think because there are so many ways to exploit scores.  Score   is   meaningless.

I up. I fly to a base and shoot down red things.  Hopefully return in one piece.  Hopefully return!  I could not tell you my score...ever.  I do look at some "stats".  I know how many times I shoot at the moon and do crazy things that skew numbers.  AFK kills me half the time.  If I get more kills than deaths good enough.  Having a B-L-A-S-T doing it.  Great to have an opportunity to fly such well modeled planes.  What do I know.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Chalenge on May 03, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
And if you don't cheat who are you impressing with the bits of data? Is it worth it to be that emotionally invested in a video game? All video games are just variations of space invaders and pac man.

I don't know you, but I do know that this type of game by its very nature attracts very competitive individuals. Achievements feed into that. If you are not the competitive sort of person that enjoys it then you will never understand it, but questioning that behavior as if it were an ethical violation of some ideal is questionable in itself.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: The Fugitive on May 03, 2013, 06:40:28 PM
And if you don't cheat who are you impressing with the bits of data? Is it worth it to be that emotionally invested in a video game? All video games are just variations of space invaders and pac man.

Cheating is cheating. Some people have something called integrity, class, honor. Those that cheat..... yes even in a cartoon plane game have none, Period. And those that think "it's ok because it's only a game" are in the same boat, no honor, no class, and no integrity.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Changeup on May 03, 2013, 07:49:03 PM
This is an unmanly act and should be treated as such.  We should all laugh at the very sight of this person while they fly for they have no cerebral man-parts and since having no cerebral man-parts is a choice, it's laughable.

This person is a purveyor of feminine hygiene products   :)
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 08:30:52 PM
How is it cheating if you're not breaking any rules?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kvuo75 on May 03, 2013, 08:35:20 PM
How is it cheating if you're not breaking any rules?

pretty sure it is. htc resets scores/perks when they have been made aware of it in the past.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 03, 2013, 08:42:55 PM
This is an unmanly act and should be treated as such.  We should all laugh at the very sight of this person while they fly for they have no cerebral man-parts and since having no cerebral man-parts is a choice, it's laughable.

This person is a purveyor of feminine hygiene products   :)

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: HL117 on May 03, 2013, 08:43:27 PM
The longer you are on this planet the more you realize that the way people behave in games, be it golf, baseball, checkers or flight sims, tends to illuminate the way they behave, whether be at work or life in general.



 


Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Aspen on May 03, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Atrocious!  I blame Lance Armstrong and Roger Clemens ;)
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: HL117 on May 03, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Don't forget Pete and Mark Mcguire! ,...who have I forgotten?  cork in bat folks .....
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
That's actually a bargain, two accounts for the price we had to pay ten years ago for one. This is a common thing in all mmog's. I don't know why I haven't started another account yet but I hope this really catches on. This is potentially a big bump in revenue for HTC. That means more development, more advertising, more players. Having only 60 players in the main arena sux, having less than 100 sucks. I, for one, am on board with this.
Like I said, I'm definitely getting another account. And I encourage everyone to do the same.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 03, 2013, 09:21:27 PM
Cheating is cheating. Some people have something called integrity, class, honor. Those that cheat..... yes even in a cartoon plane game have none, Period. And those that think "it's ok because it's only a game" are in the same boat, no honor, no class, and no integrity.

"Learn the rules like a pro, so that you can break them like an artist."

Do you seriously find it more fun to play by the rules than breaking them? That's just lily liver'd.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Eric19 on May 03, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
"Learn the rules like a pro, so that you can break them like an artist."

Do you seriously find it more fun to play by the rules than breaking them? That's just lily liver'd.

your definition of morally right is so totally skewed its not even funny if you think its alright to bend the rules then its yer donut on the line just saying
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Aspen on May 03, 2013, 09:31:38 PM
Hey, its fake war.  Cheating and spying played a huge part in WWII.  Maybe the cheaters are just trying to get full immersion.  :joystick:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: doc1kelley on May 03, 2013, 09:41:01 PM
Cheating is cheating. Some people have something called integrity, class, honor. Those that cheat..... yes even in a cartoon plane game have none, Period. And those that think "it's ok because it's only a game" are in the same boat, no honor, no class, and no integrity.

Now I gotta say that Fugi definately has it down! :salute

All the Best...

   Jay
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: MK-84 on May 03, 2013, 09:50:38 PM
Atrocious!  I blame Lance Armstrong and Roger Clemens ;)

Of course all people ingest chemicals to stay alive if the form of food of course.
Other people ingest chemicals to sleep better, prevent pregnancy, lose weight, lower their cholesterol, have e better sex life, etc.

but then...SOME PEOPLE ingest chemicals that make them stronger and faster... Shame. On. Them.

 :)
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Zacherof on May 03, 2013, 09:56:13 PM
That's actually a bargain, two accounts for the price we had to pay ten years ago for one. This is a common thing in all mmog's. I don't know why I haven't started another account yet but I hope this really catches on. This is potentially a big bump in revenue for HTC. That means more development, more advertising, more players. Having only 60 players in the main arena sux, having less than 100 sucks. I, for one, am on board with this.

he'll I'll make 3.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 03, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
pretty sure it is. htc resets scores/perks when they have been made aware of it in the past.

Nope.  They don't care.  ArchieD's scores still stand after beating Fraub silly.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: HL117 on May 03, 2013, 10:56:42 PM
Of course all people ingest chemicals to stay alive if the form of food of course.
Other people ingest chemicals to sleep better, prevent pregnancy, lose weight, lower their cholesterol, have e better sex life, etc.

but then...SOME PEOPLE ingest chemicals that make them stronger and faster... Shame. On. Them.

 :)


Ingest Beer it makes you invincible, smarter and your gut gets bigger.............although your perk points may suffer in AH.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: guncrasher on May 03, 2013, 11:48:46 PM
The longer you are on this planet the more you realize that the way people behave in games, be it golf, baseball, checkers or flight sims, tends to illuminate the way they behave, whether be at work or life in general.



 




not really, in the game I'll kill anybody that is red.  in real life there's no red ones.


semp
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BiPoLaR on May 03, 2013, 11:57:09 PM
Nope.  They don't care.  ArchieD's scores still stand after beating Fraub silly.
Exactly. Again, The risk is worth the reward to them. Why? Cause nothing will be done about it.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 04, 2013, 01:03:07 AM
he'll I'll make 3.
Why 3?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Getback on May 04, 2013, 07:28:06 AM
Wow.  Thats almost as bad as folks using the rearm pad to pad their scores.  Which a GAZILLION peep do!

You have to make this game your own I think because there are so many ways to exploit scores.  Score   is   meaningless.

I up. I fly to a base and shoot down red things.  Hopefully return in one piece.  Hopefully return!  I could not tell you my score...ever.  I do look at some "stats".  I know how many times I shoot at the moon and do crazy things that skew numbers.  AFK kills me half the time.  If I get more kills than deaths good enough.  Having a B-L-A-S-T doing it.  Great to have an opportunity to fly such well modeled planes.  What do I know.

Are you kidding me?! This goes right along with the guy who complained about people looking at their maps.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Chalenge on May 04, 2013, 07:48:59 AM
Now I gotta say that Fugi definately has it down! :salute

All the Best...

   Jay

The problem isn't integrity, class, or anything Fugtitive said. The problem is about moral relativism. What 'we' accept as normal ethically, and morally, is not the same universally.

The problem is that today more people do not have an issue with taking the fast road, and that's what this is. It's about immediate satisfaction.

Once these 'achievements'  were added we immediately started to see people that do not have any concerns for how anyone in the game feels about what they are doing. In GVs in particular the issue around rockets has become a real problem. If you are protecting a maproom the last thing you want is the noise pollution of an M4A3-75 with a rocket launcher sitting next to you, or even within 3k. Unfortunately, even if you ask the guy doing it to move across the field, or climb a mountain so he can aim better that is not his goal at all. He just wants the achievement. It's the same with incoming rockets also. So, I have taken to killing the barracks at adjoining fields to end the never ending barrage. If they still don't stop it then I hit them with my own barrage, which is always a lot more accurate.

 :aok
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: The Fugitive on May 04, 2013, 07:52:30 AM
How is it cheating if you're not breaking any rules?

There are written rules, then there are social rules. I try to follow both of them, by what you say here it seems you don't.

Either your a classless loser, or a troll. Either way, WELCOME to the ignore list!
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 04, 2013, 08:35:21 AM
There are written rules, then there are social rules. I try to follow both of them, by what you say here it seems you don't.

Either your a classless loser, or a troll. Either way, WELCOME to the ignore list!
LMAO An ignore list.

You're crazy. I like you man, but you're crazy.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Karnak on May 04, 2013, 09:04:25 AM
And if you don't cheat who are you impressing with the bits of data? Is it worth it to be that emotionally invested in a video game? All video games are just variations of space invaders and pac man.
Who said anything about trying to impress others by getting them the intended way?

Look, if you cheat to get them then you aren't accomplishing the challenge, however small, of the listed achievement so there is no personal sense of accomplishment.  That leaves only the goal of obtaining the bits of data to display, which must be to puff yourself up in the eyes of others as there is nothing else in it.

If you get the achievement the intended way, in combat, you get the personal satisfaction of having done so.  Maybe the person doing them that way also wants to puff themselves up in the eyes of others, maybe they don't.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Pepprr on May 04, 2013, 09:48:46 AM
"Learn the rules like a pro, so that you can break them like an artist."

Do you seriously find it more fun to play by the rules than breaking them? That's just lily liver'd.


Yes, I do find it more fun to play by the rules.  Every one of my 10k plus perkie points have been earned the hard way and I have enjoyed getting every single one of them.  I don't understand how vultching a shade can be considered fun...it would be work to me and quite boring at that.

I don't agree with what these guys do but hey, if they want to spend an extra $15 a month to get kills for score/perks then why not.  It is more revenue for HTC and the shame put upon them for being an absolute tard should be enough punishment. 

Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Squire on May 04, 2013, 10:24:13 AM
I want to be a star. Stars? I want to have stars. Stars Wars.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: JimmyD3 on May 04, 2013, 01:09:53 PM
The problem isn't integrity, class, or anything Fugtitive said. The problem is about moral relativism. What 'we' accept as normal ethically, and morally, is not the same universally.


 :headscratch: I thought "moral relativism" was a lack of integrity & class. What is "acceptted" will deviate from what "Is" ethical and moral, and this deviation is brought about by the depravity of man. That however does not justify it. :pray

There I'm off my soapbox! :devil
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Chalenge on May 04, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
:headscratch: I thought "moral relativism" was a lack of integrity & class. What is "acceptted" will deviate from what "Is" ethical and moral, and this deviation is brought about by the depravity of man. That however does not justify it. :pray

There I'm off my soapbox! :devil

Moral relativism is a perspective that there is no universal truth, but instead only people's individual beliefs, perspectives, and values. What you are going on about is Clinton-ism.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: RotBaron on May 04, 2013, 05:23:18 PM
The longer you are on this planet the more you realize that the way people behave in games, be it golf, baseball, checkers or flight sims, tends to illuminate the way they behave, whether be at work or life in general.



 





How true,  :aok

Semp: there are red guys out there in real life. You could go find them too. There's prolly even a few near you.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Perrine on May 04, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
The silence from HTC staff on this issue is quite deafening  :bolt:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: FLOOB on May 04, 2013, 07:24:48 PM
Wilford Brimley wearing a tron suit and scolding us about training mobs, teabagging and two boxing. That's this thread.

Holy indignant moral nerd outrage! You're grownass men.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: RELIC on May 04, 2013, 09:43:42 PM
Wilford Brimley wearing a tron suit and scolding us about training mobs, teabagging and two boxing. That's this thread.

Holy indignant moral nerd outrage! You're grownass men.

You may possibly be the most clueless person I've had the displeasure of encountering today.  BUT the day isn't over.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 04, 2013, 10:26:55 PM
It seems those that defend shade vulching are either doing it themselves,  have a squad mate that is/was,  or are simply warming up for the mental gymnastics it will take for when they actually do decide to shade vulch.

It's a game.   Don't cheat.   Is that hard?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: JUGgler on May 04, 2013, 11:13:01 PM
5 pages about something that affects NO-ONE other than the dood doing it!

Do this many people really care about this?

 :huh


JUGgler
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 04, 2013, 11:16:10 PM
It seems those that defend shade vulching are either doing it themselves,  have a squad mate that is/was,  or are simply warming up for the mental gymnastics it will take for when they actually do decide to shade vulch.

It's a game.   Don't cheat.   Is that hard?


Or they truly just don't care.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: 5PointOh on May 04, 2013, 11:22:16 PM
Actually Juggler, I think this does have some effect on the community.  IMO the achievement system was put in to add a new way to challenge players.  By people vulching shades, or trading kills with buddies to gain achievements, I think it takes away from the entire validity of the actual achievement system.  But that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 04, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
Or they truly just don't care.

Pffft.   Not caring would mean you wouldn't post to defend it.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Pffft.   Not caring would mean you wouldn't post to defend it.

Where have I defended it. Where has it been defended?

Making fun of you for being similar to a bunch of spinsters is not defending anything.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 01:14:27 AM
Where have I defended it. Where has it been defended?

Making fun of you for being similar to a bunch of spinsters is not defending anything.

lol... ok. 

You're either buds with a shade vulcher or you've picked an odd topic to continually troll.  Either way, boo hiss to you sir.



Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 01:22:51 AM
lol... ok. 

You're either buds with a shade vulcher or you've picked an odd topic to continually troll.  Either way, boo hiss to you sir.





 :rofl
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 01:38:56 AM
I'd end on an emoticon if I were you too. 
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 01:51:06 AM
I'd end on an emoticon if I were you too. 


Have to have the last word? Really fighting the old woman image.

Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 05, 2013, 01:52:30 AM
Where have I defended it. Where has it been defended?

You people really need to find a life and quit concerning yourselves with looking up everyone's kills/deaths. It's their $15 (or $30) let them do as they wish. It shouldn't have any effect on you.

Really?  Has this had any effect on your life at all?

... can someone point me to published rules of this game and perhaps the actual rule that was broken that would warrant such a post in the first place?

While it is annoying when people don't play your way, it doesn't mean your way is right or wrong as it is your $15 and you are free to do as you wish just as this person is doing. No harm done to anyone...

I am with silver who cares?

I do not care if people game the game.

So much anger over something that is not a big deal.

Some things are simple and this is one of those times.

It is not a big deal.

Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 01:59:19 AM

Sound familiar?

Yeah. Your point being?

Mine was who cares? Not really a defense of the action more of a question. I find it sad people go through stats and come to the forums like conquering heroes when they find a shade vulcher.


Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 05, 2013, 02:01:25 AM
Yeah. Your point being?

Mine was who cares? Not really a defense of the action more of a question. I find it sad people go through stats and come to the forums like conquering heroes when they find a shade vulcher.




You asked where you defended shade vulching (you must have a very short memory).  I pointed out where you did.  Simple.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 02:02:04 AM
You asked where you defended shade vulching (you must have a very short memory).  I pointed out where you did.  Simple.

Yeah where is that defending shade vulching? (You must have reading comprehension problem.) Simple.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 05, 2013, 02:05:58 AM
Yeah where is that defending shade vulching? (You must have reading comprehension problem.)

Let me point it out for you; three times in a thread about shade vulching you said, and I qoute; "It's not a big deal".  Evidently memory isn't your only mental issue.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 02:07:39 AM
Let me point it out for you; three times in a thread about shade vulcing you said, and I qoute; "It's not a big deal".  Evidently memory isn't your only mental issue.

Yes you have to be able to see a distinction between saying something is not a big deal and accepting it as okay. That may be too complicated a concept for you to understand but that is fine.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: coombz on May 05, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
Saying "it's not a big deal"   or   "who cares"   is not the same as saying   "it's OK to do that".  just FYI.

personally I am with Sukov in the "who gives a toss" camp, and it seems like HiTech is as well :old:

score obsessed busybodies keep making threads on this and crying about the injustice, but it's not actually hurting anybody *shrug*
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: BaldEagl on May 05, 2013, 02:12:25 AM
Yes you have to be able to see a distinction between saying something is not a big deal and accepting it as okay. That may be too complicated a concept for you to understand but that is fine.

You were quite accepting of the fact the player that was the subject of that thread was shade vulching.  If you don't think it's OK why would you say it's not a big deal?  Clearly cheating isn't a big deal to you.  That speaks volumes about your charachter.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 05, 2013, 02:15:00 AM
I already seen a few people I know have cheated the system, what I can't figure out is why you would do this when your flying skills are on par with 5'oclock charlie.
Perks are easy to get. Rank is easy to get, if you bother to learn the game everything can be learned in time - not over night as some want - but if Aces high was to be beaten in 30 days or less it would be sold for XBOX or playstation instead.

/just wish some of my previous achievements could be added maybe have a "veteran" player achievement could be added - get some of the record breakers from people like fester - i.e top 10 people to see who can shoot down the most without a death - if someone breaks the top 10 their name bumps someone off

Then again these would be legit and known players to accomplish this, shade killers would be spotted far to easy.

Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Bizman on May 05, 2013, 02:44:06 AM
Has anybody thought about getting easy perks by searching these obviously skilless noobs and shooting both them and their shades continuously down?  :devil

Speaking about whether perk farming with a shade were acceptable or not, the old saying comparing stealing an egg and an ox is still valid. On the other hand, many other games are based on getting better equipment with money and new players being born in that environment might well think the same rule would apply here. After all, they're doing it themselves in the actual game instead of paying some Korean youngster for it. And as been said, flying a perked plane doesn't make an ace. I know that by personal experience: I've earned enough perks to fly a 262, but I won't because I'd suck in one even more than in my usual ride.

The sad thing about shade based perk farming is that new players who get disappointed because they can't get kills in LW despite their "best ride money can buy" will soon leave the game, leaving the arenas to us old grumps.  :old:
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 02:57:23 AM
You were quite accepting of the fact the player that was the subject of that thread was shade vulching.  If you don't think it's OK why would you say it's not a big deal?  Clearly cheating isn't a big deal to you.  That speaks volumes about your charachter.

You can infer what ever you like about my character.


Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: The Fugitive on May 05, 2013, 07:45:15 AM
5 pages about something that affects NO-ONE other than the dood doing it!

Do this many people really care about this?

 :huh


JUGgler

Maybe it's the older, smarter generation TRYING to teach the younger and dumber generation something about integrity, honor, and class not only in a game but real life as well seeing it does carry over.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: gblade30 on May 05, 2013, 07:47:13 AM
Caught starlite "practicing 110 vs lancs" in midwar with awacz. Did some research on stats, turns out he practices ALOT on awacz lancs,and other planes/gvs but awacz doesnt get any practice time :(


looks to me like the type of guy that paints his nails and has an under the knee wank. and thinks someone else is doing it
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 09:04:36 AM
Have to have the last word? Really fighting the old woman image.



If you ask me if I have to have the last word, isn't that your lame attempt at getting the last word?  :)  Last word...  :rofl

Also, what issue do you have with older women?  Are you angry at people who don't cheat at games and older women? 

If you'd just admit that your bud shade vulches and you'd like for people to not look down on him I think we could get to the core of this for you.  As it stands, you're just doing a poor job of trying to making others feel lame for calling shade vulching lame.   

So which one of your buds shade vulches?  I won't tell... promise.   :angel:   

 




 

Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
Saying "it's not a big deal"   or   "who cares"   is not the same as saying   "it's OK to do that".  just FYI.

personally I am with Sukov in the "who gives a toss" camp, and it seems like HiTech is as well :old:

score obsessed busybodies keep making threads on this and crying about the injustice, but it's not actually hurting anybody *shrug*

Check out the ArchieD thread.  He was using his shade vulching spoils to up 262's with far more regularity than he otherwise would have.  Cheating to obtain perk points is just as lame as punching in cheat codes.  It should be called as such.

Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: caldera on May 05, 2013, 09:52:20 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Masherbrum on May 05, 2013, 11:05:48 AM
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Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: RELIC on May 05, 2013, 02:40:21 PM
Maybe it's the older, smarter generation TRYING to teach the younger and dumber generation something about integrity, honor, and class not only in a game but real life as well seeing it does carry over.
:aok
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Butcher on May 05, 2013, 02:45:53 PM
Maybe it's the older, smarter generation TRYING to teach the younger and dumber generation something about integrity, honor, and class not only in a game but real life as well seeing it does carry over.

I want to quote this :)
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: coombz on May 05, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
Check out the ArchieD thread.  He was using his shade vulching spoils to up 262's with far more regularity than he otherwise would have.  Cheating to obtain perk points is just as lame as punching in cheat codes.  It should be called as such.


Oh I remember the ArchieD thread.

I also remember that apparently his score etc still stands, so how is it cheating? Where is the book of rules for Aces High??  HTC is evidently cool with it, or something would have been done about it.

I agree it's lame...but OH NO! HE'S UPPING MORE 262s THAN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO!! Seriously who cares? If he has to shade vulch to get them he obviously can't fly no matter what ride he's in. Not exactly gamebreaking.

The real issue is for people like Lusche (sorry Snail you are a good guy but this is true) who work hard for their precious ingame score (god knows why  :headscratch: ) and get angry when the results are skewed because of this kind of behaviour.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 05:08:16 PM
Oh I remember the ArchieD thread.

I also remember that apparently his score etc still stands, so how is it cheating? Where is the book of rules for Aces High??  HTC is evidently cool with it, or something would have been done about it.

I agree it's lame...but OH NO! HE'S UPPING MORE 262s THAN HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO!! Seriously who cares? If he has to shade vulch to get them he obviously can't fly no matter what ride he's in. Not exactly gamebreaking.

The real issue is for people like Lusche (sorry Snail you are a good guy but this is true) who work hard for their precious ingame score (god knows why  :headscratch: ) and get angry when the results are skewed because of this kind of behaviour.

Cool.  We can agree shade vulching is lame.   :aok

As for HTC, that really doesn't matter to me.  I'm told the policy used to be a complete wipe of perks and scores, so if there's a difference between then and now I have no idea why that is.  I find it hard to believe HiTech woke up one morning and said, "You know what?  Those shade vulchers... they're alright".

I think you're downplaying the skill level of some of these vulchers.  I don't think anyone is saying they're Grizz reincarnate, but they're not two weekers either.  Even an average pilot in a 262 is pretty dangerous (or at least very distracting) as long as he knows he can pull the throttle back and hit a notch of flaps every so often.  In the world where "nobody gives a toss", it's a logical conclusion that more guys will shade vulch just so they can fly perk rides with more aggression.  If you increase the volume of perk planes and the recklessness with which they're flown, that certainly does change the game.

Lastly, it's not just the soremongers who give a toss (I will now use toss in place of less desirable four letter words  :)).  I don't fly for score.  I fly to fight and have fun and hopefully make things blow up.  I give a toss because of the principle.  It's stupid and lame.  Do I need a better reason to not like shade vulching?
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: ink on May 05, 2013, 05:27:44 PM
Cool.  We can agree shade vulching is lame.   :aok

As for HTC, that really doesn't matter to me.  I'm told the policy used to be a complete wipe of perks and scores, so if there's a difference between then and now I have no idea why that is.  I find it hard to believe HiTech woke up one morning and said, "You know what?  Those shade vulchers... they're alright".

I think you're downplaying the skill level of some of these vulchers.  I don't think anyone is saying they're Grizz reincarnate, but they're not two weekers either.  Even an average pilot in a 262 is pretty dangerous (or at least very distracting) as long as he knows he can pull the throttle back and hit a notch of flaps every so often.  In the world where "nobody gives a toss", it's a logical conclusion that more guys will shade vulch just so they can fly perk rides with more aggression.  If you increase the volume of perk planes and the recklessness with which they're flown, that certainly does change the game.

Lastly, it's not just the soremongers who give a toss (I will now use toss in place of less desirable four letter words  :)).  I don't fly for score.  I fly to fight and have fun and hopefully make things blow up.  I give a toss because of the principle.  It's stupid and lame.  Do I need a better reason to not like shade vulching?

nope you are dead on :aok
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: waystin2 on May 05, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
Cool.  We can agree shade vulching is lame.   :aok

As for HTC, that really doesn't matter to me.  I'm told the policy used to be a complete wipe of perks and scores, so if there's a difference between then and now I have no idea why that is.  I find it hard to believe HiTech woke up one morning and said, "You know what?  Those shade vulchers... they're alright".

I think you're downplaying the skill level of some of these vulchers.  I don't think anyone is saying they're Grizz reincarnate, but they're not two weekers either.  Even an average pilot in a 262 is pretty dangerous (or at least very distracting) as long as he knows he can pull the throttle back and hit a notch of flaps every so often.  In the world where "nobody gives a toss", it's a logical conclusion that more guys will shade vulch just so they can fly perk rides with more aggression.  If you increase the volume of perk planes and the recklessness with which they're flown, that certainly does change the game.

Lastly, it's not just the soremongers who give a toss (I will now use toss in place of less desirable four letter words  :)).  I don't fly for score.  I fly to fight and have fun and hopefully make things blow up.  I give a toss because of the principle.  It's stupid and lame.  Do I need a better reason to not like shade vulching?

Spot on Triton. :aok
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: deadstikmac on May 05, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
   :O    Humbly, I think it is just as much that the player base Discourage this type of behavior, as much of the responsibility lays with HTC as does with US.   :x



No witch hunt needed for shades... Just keep pointing them out as we go and community wide we should make the game something different for them. Such as a running list on the forums with shade accounts and those involved.

Or something to that effect... When one of our newly famous players is seen in game we should welcome their presence as a present by way of country channel and 200.

I would go out of my way to land and then go where my new best friends were last seen lifting off from airfield "X" that was announced over 200, just to try and find the toolbox in a sea of red.

But I'm an meanie like that  :devil



 :old:

Something to consider is a new player learning these things right off the bat because we over excessively cry about the topic.... I did not even know what a "shade" was till a month ago.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: ink on May 05, 2013, 06:01:48 PM
Spot on Triton. :aok

wait.....did we agree on something....... :D :neener: :salute
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: EagleOne on May 05, 2013, 06:36:26 PM
SYSTEM's 262 eats archieD's 262 in kills per death... at least thats what i heard but idk.


gblade, what color were his fingernails painted? I prefer hot pink reminds me of this one girlfriend from highschool  :O
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: MickDono on May 05, 2013, 06:59:44 PM
I have a film of Sukov shade vulching. 
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: kilo2 on May 05, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
I have a film of Sukov shade vulching. 

No the secret of my dark past has been revealed!


 :noid
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Triton28 on May 05, 2013, 10:14:37 PM
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Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: Brooke on May 08, 2013, 02:43:07 AM
I've come up with something even better than shooting down my own shade.  I cut out the middleman and achieve enormous efficiency gains.  In shade farming, the middleman is of course me; but it is another one of me, and I say "cut that sob right out of the loop!"  I spawn, do a takeoff run straight into a building, and -- BOOM!  This is so much faster and more direct than getting planes airborne and maneuvering into position for the kill.  I find that I can kill myself about 10 times faster this way.

At first, I was thinking of keeping this startling epiphany to myself.  However, upon further reflection, I have decided to bestow it upon the player base in general.  Think of it as my contribution to the community or maybe even as my legacy.  No, don't thank me.  Please . . . just pay it forward.
Title: Re: Killing shade for achievements
Post by: ink on May 08, 2013, 03:25:43 AM
I've come up with something even better than shooting down my own shade.  I cut out the middleman and achieve enormous efficiency gains.  In shade farming, the middleman is of course me; but it is another one of me, and I say "cut that sob right out of the loop!"  I spawn, do a takeoff run straight into a building, and -- BOOM!  This is so much faster and more direct than getting planes airborne and maneuvering into position for the kill.  I find that I can kill myself about 10 times faster this way.

At first, I was thinking of keeping this startling epiphany to myself.  However, upon further reflection, I have decided to bestow it upon the player base in general.  Think of it as my contribution to the community or maybe even as my legacy.  No, don't thank me.  Please . . . just pay it forward.


 :rofl