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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Volron on May 07, 2013, 12:46:02 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChvEsOI8I8
Despite how sick I am, I couldn't help but laugh. :lol
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hehe
Helicopter dog!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JChvEsOI8I8
Despite how sick I am, I couldn't help but laugh. :lol
that's pretty funny. Comments made ne
laugh as well
someone kept going on about a celebrity sex tape. Kids thesebdays :bhead
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Saw that this morning in my first hour class, got a good laugh out of it.
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BUT DID HE GET IT!?!?!?!
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It's all fun and games until that devil dog latches onto a kids face with that same force.
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It's all fun and games until that devil dog latches onto a kids face with that same force.
This is probably the most closed minded and idiotic thing iv'e ever heard.
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This is probably the most closed minded and idiotic thing iv'e ever heard.
Is it?
Do your research:
This is an 8 year verified study
% Deaths Dog Breed
60% (151) Pit bull
13% (32) Rottweiler
4% (10) Husky
4% (10) Mixed breed
3.6% (9) American bulldog
3.6% (9) German shepherd
3% (8) Mastiff/bullmastiff
2% (5) Boxer
1.6% (4) Malamute
1.6% (4) Labrador
3.6% (3 and less) Combination*
*Multiple dog breeds contributed to the deaths of 3 or fewer persons
during this period including, but not limited to: chow chow, wolf hybrid,
doberman pinscher, cane corso, presa canario and golden retriever.
More fun facts about pit bulls for 2012
- From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days
- Annual data from 2012 shows that 50% (19) of the victims were adults, 21-years and older, and the other half were children, ages 8-years and younger. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2012, 79% (15) were ages 2-years and younger.
- 38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.2 Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population
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You can argue with a
man all day but you can. Argue with statistics and they don't lie.
The last few
points were rather surprising. And 60%? woe that's watermelon cray
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Is it?
Do your research:
This is an 8 year verified study
% Deaths Dog Breed
60% (151) Pit bull
13% (32) Rottweiler
4% (10) Husky
4% (10) Mixed breed
3.6% (9) American bulldog
3.6% (9) German shepherd
3% (8) Mastiff/bullmastiff
2% (5) Boxer
1.6% (4) Malamute
1.6% (4) Labrador
3.6% (3 and less) Combination*
*Multiple dog breeds contributed to the deaths of 3 or fewer persons
during this period including, but not limited to: chow chow, wolf hybrid,
doberman pinscher, cane corso, presa canario and golden retriever.
More fun facts about pit bulls for 2012
- From 2005 to 2012, pit bulls killed 151 Americans, about one citizen every 19 days
- Annual data from 2012 shows that 50% (19) of the victims were adults, 21-years and older, and the other half were children, ages 8-years and younger. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2012, 79% (15) were ages 2-years and younger.
- 38 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2012.2 Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 600 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 61% (23) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population
You know what's really awesome?
Pitbulls aren't naturally aggressive towards people. You know what makes them aggressive and dangerous? People that send them out to fight other dogs and train them to be killers. I had a pitbull when I was younger and my friend has one, they're harmless when treated right. Most of those dogs are usually abused and mistreated.
Until you can find me some hard evidence that pitbulls are naturally aggressive towards people at all time, i'm not buying your opinion.
"Pit bulls were genetically selected for their fighting ability. What does this mean? It doesn’t mean that they can’t be around other dogs, that they’re unpredictably aggressive or that they will always fight to the death. These are all common myths about pit bulls. It does mean that they may be easily encouraged to fight with other dogs." - Straight from the ASPCA website.
http://www.aspca.org/Pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-articles/the-truth-about-pit-bulls
"Sadly, the pit bull has acquired a reputation as an unpredictable and dangerous menace. His intimidating appearance has made him attractive to people looking for a macho status symbol, and this popularity has encouraged unscrupulous breeders to produce puppies without maintaining the pit bull’s typical good nature with people. To make matters worse, irresponsible owners interested in presenting a tough image often encourage their pit bulls to behave aggressively. If a pit bull does bite, he’s far more likely to inflict serious injuries than most other breeds, simply because of his size and strength. A pit bull bite is also far more likely to draw media attention. Many dogs of other breeds bite people, but these incidents almost always go unreported. They’re just not exciting enough fodder for television and print." - Also from the very same ASPCA website.
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You know what's really awesome?
Pitbulls aren't naturally aggressive towards people. You know what makes them aggressive and dangerous? People that send them out to fight other dogs and train them to be killers. I had a pitbull when I was younger and my friend has one, they're harmless when treated right. Most of those dogs are usually abused and mistreated.
Until you can find me some hard evidence that pitbulls are naturally aggressive towards people at all time, i'm not buying your opinion.
those statistics are facts..not opinions. View the very last fact about pitbulls in 2012 ( I even highlighted it in red for you) "Caused 61% of dog related deaths and only make up less than 5% of total dog population".
But I apologize, I have steered this thread off course.
Back on topic.....
Cool Dog every family with little kids should have at least one! :aok
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those statistics are facts..not opinions. View the very last fact about pitbulls in 2012 ( I even highlighted it in red for you) "Caused 61% of dog related deaths and only make up less than 5% of total dog population".
But I apologize, I have steered this thread off course.
Back on topic.....
Cool Dog every family with little kids should have at least one! :aok
The first comment you made wasn't a fact. Did you even read that article? I take it you didn't.
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I've never met a pit that was aggressive towards people. Most of them are just oversized lap dogs.
Get some experience with the dog before you decide the entire species should be wiped off the planet.
Might wanna clean yourself up...there's some Hitler running down your chin.
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I've never met a pit that was aggressive towards people. Most of them are just oversized lap dogs.
Get some experience with the dog before you decide the entire species should be wiped off the planet.
Might wanna clean yourself up...there's some Hitler running down your chin.
QFT.
When someone sees the bad in one, it spreads to all.
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QFT.
When someone sees the bad in one, it spreads to all.
hmmmmmmm wheren in at, pb owners are either trying to be macho, or are
utter bro's.
Only pitbull I've
met was
a doll. What a world.
Want to know who really likes pitbullS? Xang whanh in north Korea :D
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A buddy of mine has a pitbull. When I visit and knock you would think that I was a luntic to go inside...Scooby (his name) goes completely nuts and sounds ferocious as hell. But, he's more likely to lick me to death than bite me. The worst he has done is to "bag" me when jumping up for attention.
They can be the best dogs or the worst, depending on who owns them.
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Ya know, I had a feeling something was wrong when I looked to see that this thread hit page 2. What did I find? It turned into a anti-pit bull/political-ish debate. Surprised this didn't go down the gun control route while it was at it... :rolleyes:
I've never met a pit that was aggressive towards people. Most of them are just oversized lap dogs.
Get some experience with the dog before you decide the entire species should be wiped off the planet.
Might wanna clean yourself up...there's some Hitler running down your chin.
:lol
BUT DID HE GET IT!?!?!?!
Good question. :)
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Speaking of guns, I think pitbulls can be catergorized like guns in this regard.
People say guns kill, but in reality is
the person who pulls the trigger.
My 2 cents is no the dog is not a killer but as people said it's who owns it and how it's treated.
Same with rottwielers. I know several families who own them as family pets. Walk in your fine. Break in your screwed.
As for those statistics, he's not saying the dog is bad, just the stigma following the dog
is not without some proof. Buy pits being only 5% of dogs owned and being responsible for 60% of attacks, that's pretty crazy
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And i thought my dog is crazy :lol
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http://m.now.msn.com/pit-bull-kissing-booth-gives-claudia-the-kissing-bandit-a-chance?ocid=vt_fbmsnnow
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Someone died as a result
of a dog attack Today. Guess what lind of dog it was :headscratch:
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Someone died as a result
of a dog attack Today. Guess what lind of dog it was :headscratch:
You got the news report of it? I'd love to see how the owner had treated that dog.
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I actually misheard the news report.
None the less here's the report
http://www.swrnn.com/2013/05/09/deputies-shoot-kill-attacking-pitbull-in-san-jacinto/
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Personally, I'm not anti PB. I have family members that have owned them for as long as I can remember...
I find them gawdawful ugly, not all that "sharp", and worthless for what I like to use dogs for, but that's a different discussion.
I did find two things interesting about your post though.
Until you can find me some hard evidence that pitbulls are naturally aggressive towards people at all time, i'm not buying your opinion.
At all times? Really? Is there any animal in the world that's aggressive towards people at all times? That hardly seems like a reasonable...
This part interested me too.
...has encouraged unscrupulous breeders to produce puppies without maintaining the pit bull’s typical good nature with people.
What's the long-term effect of that?
In the end, I'd consider the PB to be a dangerous animal. I don't think it's a stretch to consider MANY dogs to be dangerous animals. Some more-so than others, of course.
Now, is the PB as dangerous as a car, a flight of stairs, or a wet or water-filled bathtub (or bucket)? Probably not.
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I did find two things interesting about your post though.
At all times? Really? Is there any animal in the world that's aggressive towards people at all times? That hardly seems like a reasonable...
This part interested me too.
What's the long-term effect of that?
In the end, I'd consider the PB to be a dangerous animal. I don't think it's a stretch to consider MANY dogs to be dangerous animals. Some more-so than others, of course.
Now, is the PB as dangerous as a car, a flight of stairs, or a wet or water-filled bathtub (or bucket)? Probably not.
Answer to the first question: I'd find that lions, cheetas, and pretty much every other big cat out there in the wild would kill you in a heartbeat given they've gotten the chance. Don't confuse these animals with the ones born in captivity, because those have been taught to be able to not kill humans, but still do it sometimes.
Answer to the second question: Read the whole article. You'll find it in there.
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Personally I prefer German shepards, Doberman pincshers, and labs.
On a side note ,
when I went to the last year and almost got a pb(had blue eyes. I'm a sucker for blue eyes). So I have no personall qualms with the dogs. But those statics are hard to argue with.
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Answer to the first question: I'd find that lions, cheetas, and pretty much every other big cat out there in the wild would kill you in a heartbeat given they've gotten the chance. Don't confuse these animals with the ones born in captivity, because those have been taught to be able to not kill humans, but still do it sometimes.
None of those animals meet the criteria that you asked for though (in order for you to buy his opinion). None of them are aggressive towards people at all times (naturally or not).
I've been in positions (in the wild) with big cats (mountain lions) that had the chance/opportunity to kill me, but they didn't. I played cat and mouse with one for over 30 minutes (it appeared to be stalking me initially) in NW Colorado. However, it was not aggressive with me the entire time (i.e at all times) that I was aware of its presence, so it didn't meet your criteria either. I've had similar experiences twice in western Montana. To the best of my knowledge I was not killed.
Answer to the second question: Read the whole article. You'll find it in there.
It was hypothetical. I knew the answer when I asked it. The purpose of asking it was to bring attention to the statement.
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To the best of my knowledge I was not killed.
:rofl
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None of those animals meet the criteria that you asked for though (in order for you to buy his opinion). None of them are aggressive towards people at all times (naturally or not).
This right here is BS.
ANY animal in the world.
Any. Animal.
How could those not fit the specified criteria?
Is there any animal in the world that's aggressive towards people at all times?
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You got the news report of it? I'd love to see how the owner had treated that dog.
You really don't believe that it is the owners fault every time do you? You do know dogs have had crappy owners since the beginning of time right? The difference is most other dogs with crappy owners don't KILL people. Sure there are hundred upon thousands of dog bites every single day by all breeds of dogs, but PB are KILLING people (especially children). How can you blatantly ignore the stats and facts right in front of your face and blame only the owners. The breed is a problem. Maybe not every single PB but the breed as a whole. Again the cause of 60% of DEATHS and only account for LESS than 5% of the total dog population. It is clearly a breed problem.
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This right here is BS.
ANY animal in the world.
Any. Animal.
How could those not fit the specified criteria?
The criteria you asked for was "aggressive towards people at all times". You asked for it, not me.
I simply asked for you to list an animal that is "aggressive towards people at all times". You haven't done that yet. The animals you listed are NOT "aggressive towards people at all times" so they don't meet the criteria you gave.
If you cannot list an animal (any animal) that meets the criteria you asked for, is it reasonable to expect anyone else to provide proof that the dog you seem to like meets that criteria?
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You really don't believe that it is the owners fault every time do you? You do know dogs have had crappy owners since the beginning of time right? The difference is most other dogs with crappy owners don't KILL people. Sure there are hundred upon thousands of dog bites every single day by all breeds of dogs, but PB are KILLING people (especially children). How can you blatantly ignore the stats and facts right in front of your face and blame only the owners. The breed is a problem. Maybe not every single PB but the breed as a whole. Again the cause of 60% of DEATHS and only account for LESS than 5% of the total dog population. It is clearly a breed problem.
I'm not blaming only people, but owners normally do have a large chunk of the issue to deal with. There are pitbulls that are mean with nice and good owners, but what about the previous ones? Pitbulls just don't come aggressive and hateful right out of the box.
I don't care about the death statistics, i'm not even on that topic, i'm only in it for the behavioral part -as in how they act and not who they kill.
Also, I should quote MarineUS here: "Might wanna clean yourself up...there's some Hitler running down your chin."
You clearly want to blame one problem on an entire species. Its like saying that 100 out of 100,000 people killed/stabbed/stole from someone so therefore that entire group of people shall be wiped out.
Get rid of your bias and then try again.
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Species?
I don't think anybody is arguing that.
ALL dog fatalities are traceable to the same species.
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Q: How come pit bull owners say, "My dog might lick you to death."
To understand the experience of owning a negatively perceived dog, Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy did a study on pit bull owners. Researchers found that owners of out-law dog breeds directly feel the stigma targeted at their breed and resort to various tactics to lessen it. One of the tactics included attempts to counterbalance the pit bull's menacing appearance and physical power with overwhelming "affectionate" behavior, such as: "My dog might lick you to death."
Dog Biting Incidents: 2008 to 2013
DogsBite.org - Animal control departments in at least 25 U.S. states report that pit bulls are biting more than all other dog breeds. These states include: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, Michigan, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. The oft-quoted myth by pro-pit bull groups that pit bulls "do not bite more than other breeds" is categorically false. In addition to leading bite counts, the pit bull bite is also the most damaging, inflicting permanent and disfiguring injury.
It's not a little Hitler running down my chin. It's the huge blinders you and other PB owners are wearing.
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It's not a little Hitler running down my chin. It's the huge blinders you and other PB owners are wearing.
Just because they are more aggressive, doesn't mean that every pitbull in existence is bad and deserves to die. I'm not wearing blinders, I do accept that all dogs do go killer and end up killing someone, but it doesn't mean the pitbulls themselves are singled out for execution.
Once again your bias is showing.
ALL dog fatalities are traceable to the same species.
So...You're saying that if a poodle kills a human, it can instantly be traced back to a pitbull?
That makes no sense at all. Screw the species thing, this is just downright outrageous.
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just my 2 cents, I have known more than 2 dozen PB owners and several breeders(used to work at a pet shop when I was in school) All of the dogs that I ever met were nice as can be, now I am not saying that I would try to get inside any of their homes at night, but they were ALWAYS friendly. They would let me bathe them, and clip their toes and never got growled at. I have only ever seen 1 aggressive PB and he came from a bad home where he was starved and beaten. I believe about 99% has to do with the way the animal has been treated. I was working in a lady's apartment several years ago, and she had some kind of a shepard mixed with something :lol well I had been playing with the dog all morning when I was going in and out of her apartment, fed him snacks and everything, the dog was never vicious at me. Well I was in the bedroom changing a piece of broken glass and the tenant had went outside and the dog no longer wanted me in the house. At first I thought about a hammer, but I was in his home so I yelled for her to come get her dog, as soon as she came in he was fine again. to be perfectly honest I would rather deal with a pit than a chiwawa or however its spelled, EVERY one of them I have ever met I wanted to boot because EVERY one has bit my boots, but they aren't a threat? because they are small? don't get it :headscratch:
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to be perfectly honest I would rather deal with a pit than a chiwawa or however its spelled, EVERY one of them I have ever met I wanted to boot because EVERY one has bit my boots, but they aren't a threat? because they are small? don't get it :headscratch:
that chiwawa nipping at your heels is annoying, a pitbull latching onto you is life threatening. I'm not sure how you could NOT get that :headscratch:
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So...You're saying that if a poodle kills a human, it can instantly be traced back to a pitbull?
No, I'm saying that every single dog that kills a human is of the same species. Actually, they can be narrowed down even to the subspecies (canis lupus familiaris).
You didn't seem to want to blame all dog troubles on one species, when, in fact they are all related to the one, single species.
That's an inarguable fact (not just an opinion).
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Out here where I'm at, in the high desert, horse owners are wary of wild dogs, but ismts the pit bulls that worry them. Just 1 can bring down a horse.
Okay let's just
blame it all on the white trash, and gang bangers.
Btw my lab was attacked by a
pitbulltwice. She's aggresive and scares away most scoundrels, but the pit bulls didn't care.
As for me I've only been threatened by pit bulls and boxers(whose owners I knew, and I also knew they took care of thier dog)
The pit bull got a steel toe boot in the chest. :aok
And let it go on record I'm an animal lover. And no they don't need to be exterminated but they do have an issue.
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http://www.scpr.org/news/2013/05/09/37202/deputies-search-for-pitbulls-who-mauled-kille-palm/
http://www.bubblews.com/news/491356-pit-bull-attacks-cop-after-killing-jogger
quoted from the second article
Apparently stray dogs are familiar and a problem in this particular California, Palmdale area, as residents say stray dogs are always around and have attacked others.
Uh oh, you don't have owners to blame, what is the next excuse?
There have been quite a few pitbulls attacks in the news as of late. In April, a horrific attack left a toddler dead after the family's own dog, turned on the child in Fulton County, Georgia. This poor child's mother went to use the bathroom, while the mauling took place.
Again in April, Claudia Gallardo, was killed in Stockton, California and again neighbors cried "they were not surprised by the attack because the pit bull had jumped its fence and attacked people before."
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Uh oh, you don't have owners to blame, what is the next excuse?
Stray dogs have obviously harder lives. They need to kill other animals to stay alive, not only for food, but primarily for defense against other animals that would kill them. Sometimes people are that animal. On top of all of this they have nobody to train them to know what is right and wrong.
It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
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Actually dogs have instincts. Ever heard if a pack of wolves with a dog in it?
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Actually dogs have instincts. Ever heard if a pack of wolves with a dog in it?
There's a difference between instincts and knowing what's right and wrong.
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There's a difference between instincts and knowing what's right and wrong.
*sarcasm end*
sigh....thiana one of those topics alot like them political ones. No ones going to change their mind :bhead
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*sarcasm end*
sigh....thiana one of those topics alot like them political ones. No ones going to change their mind :bhead
That's ok, it wasn't like we were going for anything beyond a lighthearted little chat anyway. Even if we were, what we decide as a group on this forum isn't going to matter to the mainstream world anyway.
There really doesn't seem to be enough "real" factual knowledge about the animals, their breeding, and their behavior to have a legitimate 2-sided discussion. About the best we can do is resort to an emotional tirade (which is entertaining, I admit).
There's some obvious confusion over the basics. Obviously, there's only one, single species of dog in the entire world. To think we could do anything but blame all of our dog woes (and successes) on one species is inaccurate, because there are simply no other species "out there" to blame! "Breed" and "species" are not interchangeable.
Unless... we blame it all on humans. We created the different breeds through highly selective inbreeding, so we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Most modern breeders are probably not "culling" their less-than ideal animals, but are instead allowing them to breed (although not necessarily doing it themselves), and are therefore allowing them to continually pollute the genetics that took so long to perfect. Again, our fault. Several great dog breeds have been destroyed already due to that. The Cocker Spaniel was at one time a fantastic field dog; now it's a lap dog. It's our fault, and our mess to clean up (if we consider it worthwhile).
Dogs don't have the slightest concept of "right and wrong" either. Those are human concepts of morality that don't exist in a dog's brain. They're operating on a much more simplistic level than that.
Of course, they're not operating purely on instinct either.
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those statistics are facts..not opinions. View the very last fact about pitbulls in 2012 ( I even highlighted it in red for you) "Caused 61% of dog related deaths and only make up less than 5% of total dog population".
But I apologize, I have steered this thread off course.
Back on topic.....
Cool Dog every family with little kids should have at least one! :aok
sorry but those "statistics" are not facts in anyway shape or form.
the real American Pittbull Terrier is a very rare dog.....
the "pittbuls" that are causing those bites are NOT the American Pittbull Terrier.....
they were at one time many years ago, due to improper breeding and wanting to make them guard dogs(which the true APBT is the worst guard dog due to its love of people and even strangers)
they are no longer the same dog
you will be hard pressed to find a true American Pittbull Terrier today.
that is Fact.....do some reading if interested
the APBT became the American Staffordshire terrier.....
when owners wanted to breed for the show ring, they stopped breeding for the fight ring, the dogs then lost all that made APBTs Great....
you can actually duel register Amstaffs(American Staffordshire) as APBT.....
and they are very far from being the same dog.
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And that ladies and gentleman is what a curve ball is :O
I didn't know that ink. In that case what the he'll kind of breed is bein coined as a"pitbull"
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well I would say American Staffordshire Terriers is the most predominant breed, mixed with American Bulldog, Mastiffs, the bull Mastiff
the true APBT
was a dog that at fight weight was 45 lbs.......a huge male would have been 65 lbs....... :O
they were not heavily built, the big ones could not last in the ring so they were breed small, the smaller the better to a point...45 lbs is optimum
they made the worst guard dogs because they breed them to specifically hate dogs and Love people....strangers would get into the ring and work on a injured dog he needed to be people friendly.....hence the name the "nanny dog" which is actually referring to the "English Staffordshire terriers" which is were the American Pittbull terriers come from.....and from them came the american Staffordshire....which were NOT breed for the fighting ring but the show ring...so they stopped picking the fighters but started picking the bigger ones the more perfect looking ones....they also added other breeds to get bigger dogs...."bigger is better" :rolleyes:
for the last say 70 years or so...which is quite a long time in a dog line...more then enough time to separate the breed.
also you don't "train" a true American Pittbull Terrier to want to fight....they want to do it from their breeding...
only fighting dogs were breed...the ones that wanted to fight....the would never attack a person.
I love the American Pittbull Terrier they are much like me.
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Now you got me reading up on dog lineage :bhead
Looks like I need to paws on the forum. Kinda ruff reading and typing, like
fur real :D
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Now you got me reading up on dog lineage :bhead
Looks like I need to paws on the forum. Kinda ruff reading and typing, like
fur real :D
:aok
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sorry but those "statistics" are not facts in anyway shape or form.
the real American Pittbull Terrier is a very rare dog.....
the "pittbuls" that are causing those bites are NOT the American Pittbull Terrier.....
they were at one time many years ago, due to improper breeding and wanting to make them guard dogs(which the true APBT is the worst guard dog due to its love of people and even strangers)
they are no longer the same dog
you will be hard pressed to find a true American Pittbull Terrier today.
that is Fact.....do some reading if interested
the APBT became the American Staffordshire terrier.....
when owners wanted to breed for the show ring, they stopped breeding for the fight ring, the dogs then lost all that made APBTs Great....
you can actually duel register Amstaffs(American Staffordshire) as APBT.....
and they are very far from being the same dog.
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Ink where the *bleep* have you been? I baited your hook 3 pages ago :devil. Anyway, whether or not these are true APBT is a moot point as you have said the breed has changed away from the APBT, however these dogs are still known as "pitbulls" and they are killing people at an alarming rate.
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Ink where the *bleep* have you been? I baited your hook 3 pages ago :devil. Anyway, whether or not these are true APBT is a moot point as you have said the breed has changed away from the APBT, however these dogs are still known as "pitbulls" and they are killing people at an alarming rate.
other things on my mind :aok
but
:neener:
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Hmmmm this thread just gave me a idea.... :bolt:
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I would like to see the statistics for number of serious attacks without fatalities. How many people get their face ripped off and live?
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I would like to see the statistics for number of serious attacks without fatalities. How many people get their face ripped off and live?
scroll down to see the chart
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
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I don't own any "pitts" but I've got four relatives that breed them. I spend a lot of time with these dogs and all of them are agitating. Not because they are mean or loud....but because I can't sit on the couch without them trying to sit in my lap. >.<
What I see with pitts that grinds my gears is when I see one and I know the owner fights it (the scars all over and how they treat the dog), but even then I haven't seen one go after someone without provocation.
A dog is like a man.
If it is fed, it is happy.
If it is loved, it is happy.
If it gets to sleep when it wants, it is happy.
The bigotry is too damn high. :O
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The bigotry is too damn high. :O
Of course it is!
That's because this is a near-perfect topic to see it show up on both sides of the argument!
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You can argue with a
man all day but you can. Argue with statistics and they don't lie.
The last few
points were rather surprising. And 60%? woe that's watermelon cray
You're so far from reality. Its not the breed, its the breeder and how they are raised.
My pit was an extremely violent monster when I rescued him from the animal shelter. Why? Because the moron who owned him had him CHAINED up in the yard. He was raised up to be aggressive. Hell, it took me 3 days to even get near him alone. Now, well, he is the best and most loving animal I have ever seen. Dogs are no different than we are. They know and act how they are taught to. And you'll eventually get the occasional inbred retard.
Now before you go throwing worthless BS stats around. Make sure you add the ones that show the ones that are inbred and how they were raised.
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I don't own any "pitts" but I've got four relatives that breed them. I spend a lot of time with these dogs and all of them are agitating. Not because they are mean or loud....but because I can't sit on the couch without them trying to sit in my lap. >.<
What I see with pitts that grinds my gears is when I see one and I know the owner fights it (the scars all over and how they treat the dog), but even then I haven't seen one go after someone without provocation.
A dog is like a man.
If it is fed, it is happy.
If it is loved, it is happy.
If it gets to sleep when it wants, it is happy.
If your infant child cries it will brutally maul them to death
If your wife goes out for a nice jog a pack of men will brutally kill her
The bigotry is too damn high. :O
You're probably right, Just because you've never seen one attack obviously must mean it never happens. I mean your cousins Jimbo and Bobby-Joe raise them and those dogs would never harm a flea. I'm sure all those 30year long studies are all made up by those damn breedist! (Breedist is my new made up word for a dog breed racist).
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You're probably right, Just because you've never seen one attack obviously must mean it never happens. I mean your cousins Jimbo and Bobby-Joe raise them and those dogs would never harm a flea. I'm sure all those 30year long studies are all made up by those damn breedist! (Breedist is my new made up word for a dog breed racist).
People that breed dogs are morons. Its that simple. Too many poor animals dying every single day because you have some greedy idiot breeding an already over bred animal.
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You're so far from reality. Its not the breed, its the breeder and how they are raised.
My pit was an extremely violent monster when I rescued him from the animal shelter. Why? Because the moron who owned him had him CHAINED up in the yard. He was raised up to be aggressive. Hell, it took me 3 days to even get near him alone. Now, well, he is the best and most loving animal I have ever seen. Dogs are no different than we are. They know and act how they are taught to. And you'll eventually get the occasional inbred retard.
Now before you go throwing worthless BS stats around. Make sure you add the ones that show the ones that are inbred and how they were raised.
Um dogs are very different from humans. Just because your dog has not attacked you (yet), doesn't mean there is not a problem with the breed. As I've said before, There have been crappy dog owners since the beginning of time however look at the stats. Pitbulls lead the way in mauling and killings by a significant margin. The facts are in front of your face. You owners just choose to ignore them.
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Um dogs are very different from humans. Just because your dog has not attacked you (yet), doesn't mean there is not a problem with the breed. As I've said before, There have been crappy dog owners since the beginning of time however look at the stats. Pitbulls lead the way in mauling and killings by a significant margin. The facts are in front of your face. You owners just choose to ignore them.
There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.
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i think issues like this are a great argument for why humans should not mess with nature.
I mean, sure, there's dogs out there that were bred for the right reasons. To work. And these dogs do their jobs very well. They are, in my opinion, the real reason why we call them "man's best friend". They are a tool that helps us survive as a species.
But then you have everything else. Freaks of nature if you ask me. Even the normal looking ones have health issues. But I guess that's why I'm a cat person. Cat breeds haven't been messed with by humans long enough for the freak show yet (well, mostly). I guess that's why most of them want to take over the world. :aok
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Ere are people who breed cats with a gene that's gives them
short front legs. Bu I think the breeders are the freaks
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I haven't wasted the time in reading this entire 5-6 page flame-fest, however while I mostly/usually agree with the 'it's how the owner treats the dog' argument ... it's not totally true.
My neighbor's owned a pitbull for about 2 years. They treated the dog great, always played with it, and it was kind towards them and protective, however anytime I went near it or them, it would run up and start biting me and jumping up on me. Went home with some blood and scratches more than once :lol
Personally I don't like nor do I dislike pitbull's.. But more often than not when I see one it's growling at me for no reason, so I prefer to stay away from them :)
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I haven't wasted the time in reading this entire 5-6 page flame-fest, however while I mostly/usually agree with the 'it's how the owner treats the dog' argument ... it's not totally true.
My neighbor's owned a pitbull for about 2 years. They treated the dog great, always played with it, and it was kind towards them and protective, however anytime I went near it or them, it would run up and start biting me and jumping up on me. Went home with some blood and scratches more than once :lol
Personally I don't like nor do I dislike pitbull's.. But more often than not when I see one it's growling at me for no reason, so I prefer to stay away from them :)
Quit being a puss, those are maulings of love. :D
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Redbull, growing up we had a Beagle-Collie mix. The friendlyist dog you every met but would not let one of my friends in the door. This was the only person she had an issue with, she even liked the mailman.
How did the pitbull get along with the other neighbors?
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There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.
Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.
I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?
The kids would have a ball I say!
RTR
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You're probably right, Just because you've never seen one attack obviously must mean it never happens. I mean your cousins Jimbo and Bobby-Joe raise them and those dogs would never harm a flea. I'm sure all those 30year long studies are all made up by those damn breedist! (Breedist is my new made up word for a dog breed racist).
I never - EVER - said they DON'T attack. EVERY breed has had attacks. Even poodles.
I'd like you to quote it. Or are you simply trying to pull a liberal argument and call names and use falsified straw mans?
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Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.
I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?
The kids would have a ball I say!
RTR
Sharks don't have a problem with people....until they are hungry.
Your logic...there is none.
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Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.
I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?
The kids would have a ball I say!
RTR
Not for great whites, because great whites can't be kept in captivity (there's some kind of sonar system that gets messed up and the sharks won't eat), but with other species of sharks they do
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Sharks don't have a problem with people....until they are hungry.
Your logic...there is none.
sharks generally dislike human flesh. Great whites specifacally hunt seals cause they want the fat. Humans have less fat on them compared to pinnipeds.
Unless the sharks comes across americans :devil
then it wod be ablood bath :t
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Not for great whites, because great whites can't be kept in captivity (there's some kind of sonar system that gets messed up and the sharks won't eat), but with other species of sharks they do
There is over 300 different species of shark, which species are the kids swimming with?
I'll give you a hint...it isn't Tigers, Bulls, Whites, Mako's, Hammerheads etc etc etc.
The point I was trying to make was that you can not train all living things to do something that is against their nature.
Dogs for example....different breeds have different temperaments. Some are affable and gentle in nature, other types are aggressive and fiercely loyal in nature. None of them though, have a sense of right and wrong. This just doesn't exist to them. All they have is experience to figure out which actions they do create what consequences.
I guess in some ways dogs are smarter than most humans. Get a dog drunk and he will probably abstain from drinking ever again. Get Me drunk and ...welll..even after suffering the hangover I will likely repeat the process again at some point. :)
Pit Bulls and their derivatives instill no trust in me due to their nature. They are fiercely loyal to a fault, which means that they will aggressively protect the pack ( and you and your family are their pack). The problem I see with that is that they seem to have no degree of measure and what you or I don't see as a threat, they often do. I would rather have control over when any dog uses aggression. There has been to much controversy and messed up incidents with these kinds of dogs for me to put any trust in them. I think that they have more potential to snap than any other breed and when they do it is often devastating.
RTR
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sharks generally dislike human flesh. Great whites specifacally hunt seals cause they want the fat. Humans have less fat on them compared to pinnipeds.
Unless the sharks comes across americans :devil
then it wod be ablood bath :t
I laughed harder than I should have at that. xD :aok :lol
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There isnt a problem with the breed. And yes, all things do as they are trained and taught to do. You can train a tree to grow a certain way. ALL living things are this way. There are no facts other than the over breeding and raising of them. Also look in to the area where most of the attacks happen. How they were raised. What demographic owned them. What breeder inbred them. Then, and only then, when you get those "statistics", Come talk to me. Until then, believe what the news and inTARDnet tells you.
No, if it's your position that the owners are to blame, it's down to you to provide stats to back it up, not him.
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Following that logic, why don't we have "Swimming with Great whites" like those "Swimming with Dolphins" attractions.
I mean, if you treat the sharks right and make sure they are happy and train them, then it should be safe right?
The kids would have a ball I say!
RTR
Your reality obviously is a bit skewed.
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No, if it's your position that the owners are to blame, it's down to you to provide stats to back it up, not him.
shhhh, men are talking.
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Guess that means you've got nothing to back your claims.
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What breeder inbred them.
The different breeds were essentially created by inbreeding. And losing those attributes is one of the biggest reasons for breed degradation.
Inbreeding was used to enhance specific characteristics, and was a way to limit genetic variation (normally we consider genetic variation to be a good thing, but when you're trying to create a breed of dogs that differ from one another very little, genetic variation is a detriment).
To create a breed of dog, you essentially pick out an animal that has attributes you like (color, size, temperament, whatever...), and breed it with an animal that is as close to your initial "ideal" animal as possible. You then take the off-spring and compare them to the original animal.
Now, the offspring are only 50% of the original "ideal" animal... Those attributes you liked so much are diluted by the mate you chose for your ideal animal...
So, you now take the "best" of the offspring (the one closest in attributes to your original ideal) and breed it back with the original "ideal" animal. You breed the mother with her son...
Now look the offspring over again, and pick out the one closest to the original ideal. That offspring is now 75% of the original "ideal", so you're getting closer to your goal... Breed the mother with her grandson, and then with her great-grandson, and repeat and repeat and repeat...
Now, of course you will enhance the attributes you're looking for, but will also enhance attributes you don't want. Those animals that show attributes you aren't trying to enhance would generally be "culled". Nowadays, we'd hopefully not allow them to breed; historically they probably just did away with them.
Without that careful inbreeding we wouldn't have the different breeds of domestic dog that we have nowadays.
Kind of puts the "Hitler-istic" comments made earlier in a different light.
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No, if it's your position that the owners are to blame, it's down to you to provide stats to back it up, not him.
Some big "ifs" here, but...
IF the owners are to blame, and IF the PB is responsible for a large percentage of dog/human attacks, does it stand to reason that PB owners may be less responsible as a group than other dog owners?
Personally, I don't think that really explains it. I'm guessing that PB owners are similar in "responsibility" as owners of other breeds, and also similar to the rest of the population when it comes to skill in training (which isn't generally all that high).
It may simply be that some breeds of dog require a higher level of skill to be successfully trained, and/or aren't as tolerant of mistakes made in training. That's not far-fetched; that's a simple fact when it comes to animal training. Similar training methods don't work equally well for all animals, and don't necessarily work equally-well when it comes to training different breeds.
A significant portion of dog behavior is just innate; "placed" there and enhanced by breeding. Pointers point; retrievers retrieve; working dogs herd; hounds scent-trail; malamutes pull; and terriers want to catch little furry critters, all through innate, inherited behavior.
Sure, you can get dogs to work outside of that behavior to some extent, but most will never "master" it... It's really tough to get an animal to go against (or suppress) its innate behaviors, especially long-term and without constant reinforcement.
In some cases we're probably dealing with dogs that have been historically bred to exhibit certain traits, but are then attempting to suppress those traits because they're undesirable in our current situation. Purchasing a dog because you like the way it looks may be a good "recipe" for that situation.
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Guess that means you've got nothing to back your claims.
Negative, mam. I realized I was arguing with stupidity and pure ignorance. Decided to move along. You can only talk to a rock for so long, then you realize its a rock.
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Negative, mam. I realized I was arguing with stupidity and pure ignorance. Decided to move along. You can only talk to a rock for so long, then you realize its a rock.
Then you can throw it! :D
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Then you can throw it! :D
:rofl