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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LCADolby on July 06, 2013, 08:10:27 PM
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... people staying out of a fight when expressly told to do so over range?
And, when did the schools break up for summer and let these morons fly AcesHigh and piss in our pool?
RuAmL is prime example of this marmite-mining and it must stop.
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Dueling arena or MA? If you answer the latter, well ......
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:rofl Dolby don't you know they're doing this stuff to watch you cry on 200? You're quite entertaining when you're mad :D
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Latter, but surely the guardians of this illegitimate taught him common courtesy. :old:
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Latter, but surely the guardians of this illegitimate taught him common courtesy. :old:
Never expect 'courtesy' if it's not coded into the game. ;)
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:rofl Dolby don't you know they're doing this stuff to watch you cry on 200? You're quite entertaining when you're mad :D
Rule #4 Flamebaiting, all those annoying me should muted banned beheaded hung drawn and quartered :furious
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Rule #4 Flamebaiting, all those annoying me should muted banned beheaded hung drawn and quartered :furious
Clean-up, aisle seven.
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Rule #4 Flamebaiting, all those annoying me should muted banned beheaded hung drawn and quartered :furious
:rofl :rofl :uhoh :bolt:
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So entertaining infact that I have a chat suspension.
3 days into AcesHigh after a break is a new record :rock
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So entertaining infact that I have a chat suspension.
3 days into AcesHigh after a break is a new record :rock
There you go. The 'silent but deadly' persona. :) :salute
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ruaml is an older player and one of the better LA7 pilets.
shame he is flying Bish.
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An older Pilot should know better.
Currently Rook.
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so you told ruaml to stay out nicely and he swooped in and killed the guy you were fighting?
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I said it in plain English, "I got this one", a flat concentrating tone
some other words inthere I'll have to look at the AHFilm to expand that.
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My expectations are never disappointed. That may well be due to the fact
that I don't expect a code of chivalry to be maintained ... even by those
who claim to maintain such. I expect every player, young or old, experienced
or not, to take every advantage the game has to offer. To artificially impose
restrictions on others or even self is a flawed ideal.
And I won't dissuade anyone from trying. :)
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Clearing people's 12 has been status quo for a few years now.
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12 clearing is all the rage these days. One semi well known player blatantly cleared my 12 some time ago. No fuss was heard from me. I will bide my time and clear his 12 every chance I get. I will dare him/her/it to say a word! :old:
I don't hold a grudge at all. :old:
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if I am in a good fight and one of my friendlies jumps in I most often disengage and let the red guy kill him....then we can continue our fight.... :t
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12 clearing is all the rage these days. One semi well known player blatantly cleared my 12 some time ago. No fuss was heard from me. I will bide my time and clear his 12 every chance I get. I will dare him/her/it to say a word! :old:
I don't hold a grudge at all. :old:
^This. Perfect. :salute
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... people staying out of a fight when expressly told to do so over range?
And, when did the schools break up for summer and let these morons fly AcesHigh and piss in our pool?
RuAmL is prime example of this marmite-mining and it must stop.
Told or asked to stay out might be some of the issue.
I agree that it would be nice if folks stayed out of a 1 v 1 if asked, but expecting it as the norm is long passed.
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Told or asked to stay out might be some of the issue.
:aok
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We used to ask first, or if the green guy was in trouble they would ask.
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if I am in a good fight and one of my friendlies jumps in I most often disengage and let the red guy kill him....then we can continue our fight.... :t
Bahahahaha :aokWe used to ask first, or if the green guy was in trouble they would ask.
It almost seems like no one reads the AH main page detailing proper etiquette, and help page
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if I am in a good fight and one of my friendlies jumps in I most often disengage and let the red guy kill him....then we can continue our fight.... :t
This. Then the green guy cries about what a horrible team player you are - priceless.
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Its a outrage Mr Dolby!
I sympathise :joystick:
When is Debrody coming back i miss him :cryp
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This. Then the green guy cries about what a horrible team player you are - priceless.
:rofl
Was talking to Kazaa while he was on the opposite country. Was going to meet with him and have a duel in the MA near his base since I was already airborne. Halfway through, HOtard decides to jump in along with about 2 others. They manage to nail my F6F and I lose half a wing but not before I piloted wounded him. Kazaa stays on my tail, the other two break off thinking I already died. HOtard lines up in my sights and I kill him with half a wing. Everyone that was in the vicinity starts Roflmao-ing as he moans and whines why Kazaa didn't shoot me down. :rofl :rofl "What kind of teammate are you?"
P.S. not the real Kazaa anyways. :old:
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Me, angel were knites and 800nates was rook. Good ole time watching each others backs
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Yeah clearing peoples 12 is a bit ridiculous before I dive into any fight I check the situation out if a friend looks in trouble I will just jump in but if the friendly is winning I will wait around above the fight incase a higher enemy comes in to pick the friendly or the red guy tries to run. I find it extremely annoying to be 200 of some red guy just waiting for the right time to fire for instant kill and zooooooom right through my gun sights goes a friendly and either kills me with killshooter or kills the red guy then zoooooooooom back up he goes.
It GRINDS MY GEARS yep it has been around for ever but its still pathetic also what it frustrating is one red guy on the deck then 8 friendlys all dive from 10k to fight him this is stupid one should go down the rest stay up for cover :huh I think all this is out of desperation for the kill people these days are so desperate to see there name in lights its pretty sad what they will do.
Its weird how most of the idiots who do this sort of thing don't even read the bbs.
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Theese two stories:
-i got him, stay out please. ... stay OUT please! ... okay, now deal with it, tard :lol
-f*** you, why you were turning away?
:ahand
-help me with this brewster! ... f*** you, his BREEEEEWSTEEEEEERR IS OUTTURNING MY BREEEEWSTER, ITS A F***ING CHEATER? CANT YOU SEE IT!!!!
-theres no cheating in this game. Use your flaps.
-F*** YOU, FRIGGEN MUPPET!!!!!!!!
:ahand
Just priceless.
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I've had several situation where I have 1 enemy in front of me, and 3 (or more) behind me. It's obvious I've got the guy in front of me because I'm shooting him and parts are falling off him, yet the "friendly" decides the plane on my 12 falling to pieces is the biggest threat to me and kills him. Needless to say the 3 other guys on my 6 end up killing me shortly after.
Please clear 6's, not 12's.
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I've had several situation where I have 1 enemy in front of me, and 3 (or more) behind me. It's obvious I've got the guy in front of me because I'm shooting him and parts are falling off him, yet the "friendly" decides the plane on my 12 falling to pieces is the biggest threat to me and kills him. Needless to say the 3 other guys on my 6 end up killing me shortly after.
Please clear 6's, not 12's.
+100
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If Ruaml's incursion was prior to yesterday, he may not have heard you. I believe he was in time out. :devil
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I've had several situation where I have 1 enemy in front of me, and 3 (or more) behind me. It's obvious I've got the guy in front of me because I'm shooting him and parts are falling off him, yet the "friendly" decides the plane on my 12 falling to pieces is the biggest threat to me and kills him. Needless to say the 3 other guys on my 6 end up killing me shortly after.
Please clear 6's, not 12's.
Have this happen a lot.
Even worse i can never hit an enemy dead 6 with a tater but every time a friendly dives in to clear my 12 i manage to tater them perfectly lol.
The best ones are when you've got a plane low and slow and a friendly joins in and moans your getting in there guns while you're still trying to pull angle on the con whos E and advantage you've drained off while they're just in for the easy kill.
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My philosophy on this is that if I clearly hear it then I will perch and wait. I do this to be a backup to a teammate, and to prevent them from letting the guy come back and get me as I get to where I was going anyway. If I do not know the person I am much more likely to stick around than if I see someone I know who I trust to know if they can get the guy or not.
Also, sometimes I think folks don't realize that their vox cuts out or that they are hard to understand sometimes. I went in on a contact last week and the guy was like why did you do that and I honestly thought he said something about needing help.
For me, I am usually happy for someone to kill the guy I am chasing. Its a bandit in the dirt. Occasionally a guy irritates me and I want the kill, but very, very rarely do I go all "bonsai" as Magoo says.
Final answer: its the MA. You wouldn't expect people to not chase a single 109 over the english channel while four others stand around watching would you? Granted I love it when Rooks have six guys on one La7 and they know from the DAR that there are another six coming at altitude. :headscratch:
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Rule #4 Flamebaiting, all those annoying me should muted banned beheaded hung drawn and quartered :furious
:lol
:aok
I've had several situation where I have 1 enemy in front of me, and 3 (or more) behind me. It's obvious I've got the guy in front of me because I'm shooting him and parts are falling off him, yet the "friendly" decides the plane on my 12 falling to pieces is the biggest threat to me and kills him. Needless to say the 3 other guys on my 6 end up killing me shortly after.
Please clear 6's, not 12's.
+1
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Kinda...no very sad when you all worry about some one stealing a kill in a game. Let the noob have the kill and move on, what's the big deal....oh wait....score and rank that's it :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I do not recall a time in when one could count on somebody staying out of a fight just because it was requested. I think some of you look at the past with rose colored glasses.
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I do not recall a time in when one could count on somebody staying out of a fight just because it was requested. I think some of you look at the past with rose colored glasses.
(http://www.apoorplayer.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/rose-colored-glasses-dan-holm.jpg)
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I do not recall a time in when one could count on somebody staying out of a fight just because it was requested.
Getting the kill is of no importance to me; I'll stay out if asked, and I'd expect others to allow me to enjoy the game by respecting a request to stay out of a fight. Sadly, it seems that today it's more about killing the red icon no matter what, instead of people actually being allowed to fight and have fun in a combat game.
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Clean-up, aisle seven.
Yes...and there will be another in a few days. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I don't really recall having much of a problem with folks jumping in my fights after being asked to stay out. What I hate is when I'm in a good battle and the 2nd red guy jumps in and kills me. That happens ALL the time. But hey, it's the MA and is to be expected and not worth getting bent out of shape about..............none of this stuff is actually. ;)
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what's the big deal....oh wait....score and rank that's it :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I don't understand what would make you type this within this thread. :headscratch:
A fight, was ruined. The fight is what counted. The lost opportunity to finish said fight on even terms is what irks many people at these kill at all cost greenie retards filling the airspace.
"score and rank mean nothing", (I don't know how many times I have to repeat that, I say it to guests on my squadvox all the time).
I do not recall a time in when one could count on somebody staying out of a fight just because it was requested. I think some of you look at the past with rose colored glasses.
I myself ask before jumping in on a 1v1, a number of people have around me asked first aswell.. The guys that do ask first know who they are, and they are great people in my book :aok
There is something somewhere written about a community of a certain size policing itself; these idiots going to clear 12's for their own score or kill tally, need to be policed by us as a community, as it were. Maybe their own kills are few and far between and they act out of desperation, but it doesn't make the act of 12 clearing when asked to stay out, acceptable.
You guys saying that you should expect nothing from others (common courtesy ingame, telling people to stay out, it's the MA), are a part of the problem; grow some balls and chew them, don't satisfy for that mentality. Inaction/apathy for it is a detriment to everyone, yourself and those around you.
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Theese two stories:
-i got him, stay out please. ... stay OUT please! ... okay, now deal with it, tard :lol
-f*** you, why you were turning away?
:ahand
-help me with this brewster! ... f*** you, his BREEEEEWSTEEEEEERR IS OUTTURNING MY BREEEEWSTER, ITS A F***ING CHEATER? CANT YOU SEE IT!!!!
-theres no cheating in this game. Use your flaps.
-F*** YOU, FRIGGEN MUPPET!!!!!!!!
:ahand
Just priceless.
I had the same thing with a guy called ammo a few tours ago, I told him I was dragging out a con to fight him, and he jumped in the guys 6.
I left the area and let him get shot down for it. Range vox was a little heated, I didn't enjoy doing that but his lesson; learned.
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Kinda...no very sad when you all worry about some one stealing a kill in a game. Let the noob have the kill and move on, what's the big deal....oh wait....score and rank that's it :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Respectfully, its kinda sad that after ten-something years, you cant get what a good fight means to some.
Not the kill.
Not the score.
Not the fricken rank.
Something else you might have never seen.
;)
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You guys saying that you should expect nothing from others (common courtesy ingame, telling people to stay out, it's the MA), are a part of the problem; grow some balls and chew them, don't satisfy for that mentality. Inaction/apathy for it is a detriment to everyone, yourself and those around you.
Um, no. I'm not part of 'your problem' at all. There is no active campaign against 'common courtesy.' You, however, appear to be spearheading a campaign for such. Good luck with that. I anticipate no thread from you in the future that indicates everything went satisfactorily and that you now enjoy the game more than ever.
When it comes to maturity and the nature of the game environment, the blamers are no better than the gamers.
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Dolby you're going to have these types that do these things no matter how mad you get about it. No need in getting angry...get revenge. Here's what ya do---------> find the guy that did you wrong, stay close to him. Every time he shoots at a bad guy you try to run through his bullet stream. This can be quite fun........ and there should be an achievement for this. :D :old:
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Arlo = Problem
Uptown = entertaining solution :D
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Arlo = Problem
Uptown = entertaining solution :D
Dolby = Unresolvable issues that are everyone's fault but his. :D
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Ah, we have another IV I see.
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Ah, we have another IV I see.
Dude. It's your whine thread. Did you really expect universal coddling? As it is, you should perhaps appreciate nods, smiles and winks. :D
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Did you really expect universal coddling?
No, just the names of those of whom I'll be flying right infront of when Greenies :banana:
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No, just the names of those of whom I'll be flying right infront of when Greenies :banana:
You don't need a thread for that unless you're asking for names you never saw, personally. Huh. :huh :salute :lol
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Go be 'you' somewhere else Arlo, especially if your one of these thread lurking no ingame account holding Midway of the BBS.
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Go be 'you' somewhere else Arlo, especially if your one of these thread lurking no ingame account holding Midway of the BBS.
I see presumption really is your substitute for rationale. :aok
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Arlo, i would like to see a film about your ACM. No bad-willing, just curious.
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I see presumption really is your substitute for rationale. :aok
I see the limits of people, the logical step is community policing, as I have suggested I don't sub one for the other.
I question your motives for posting.
But do please show us all and example of your ACM as Deb suggested, no ill-will.
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Arlo, i would like to see a film about your ACM. No bad-willing, just curious
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By 'my' ACM, are you curious about my skill in this game? Heh. I'm not sure how that plays into proper game manners but, regrettably, my skill at posting or emailing films is certainly worse than my game skill. You could just fly with me. Real time will reflect both my mediocre skill as well as my propensity for never doing anything that'll get me squelched when doing so. :D
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I see the limits of people, the logical step is community policing, as I have suggested I don't sub one for the other.
I question your motives for posting.
But do please show us all and example of your ACM as Deb suggested, no ill-will.
Same offer. ;)
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"score and rank mean nothing", (I don't know how many times I have to repeat that, I say it to guests on my squadvox all the time).l
probally one of the biggest things that when I stopes focasing in that, I got better gradually.
Btw Dolby is awesome :old:
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In game skills means nothing to me. Im not good either. But ACM tells almost everything about your mindset and the way youre thinking.
Its not about whats the result, but how you wanted to get the result.
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My ACM films are so good that they'll send you to the tower even if you're not logged in to the game! :joystick:
I'm so bad (meaning uber good) that when I sit down at the desk to play AcesHigh my wife and kids log on to the game just to run to field ack. :devil
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Same offer. ;)
you posted in your qoute silly :old:
In game skills means nothing to me. Im not good either. But ACM tells almost everything about your mindset and the way youre thinking.
Its not about whats the result, but how you wanted to get the result.
what's the difference between ACM and in game skill?
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I had the same thing with a guy called ammo a few tours ago, I told him I was dragging out a con to fight him, and he jumped in the guys 6.
I left the area and let him get shot down for it. Range vox was a little heated, I didn't enjoy doing that but his lesson; learned.
I remember this well; however, which is usually the case, there is another side to the story.
It was my first tour back since 2004 and at the time my gear was makeshift and my sound settings were not perfect. I say that, because I believe that contributed to the fact that I completely misunderstood your statement on range vox. It looked as though you needed help as I could plainly see the con on your low six and simply misunderstood what you said. I was at a low energy state to the nmy con, and as soon as I engaged, you left and told me I was own my own. You were clearly pissed off and hoped that I got shot down. By your tone and words, I think if I had dropped dead in my chair in front of my computer, you would have been alright with that too.
Anyway, moments later we had words which ended with me telling you to "eff off". I tried to explain that I didn't understand you on vox at the time, but you wouldn't hear it.
Lastly, I'll refute your statement - "I didn't enjoy doing that but his lesson; learned." You were pissed off - clearly; however your reaction at the time was not to "teach me a lesson", it was your way of getting me back and venting your own frustration. Thanks for the attempt to "show me the way", but I get it, always have; and it's crystal clear to me today.
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In game skills means nothing to me. Im not good either. But ACM tells almost everything about your mindset and the way youre thinking.
Its not about whats the result, but how you wanted to get the result.
Are you saying that you can tell by the way I execute a high or low yoyo whether I'm easily offended or prone to public spectacles over game manners? You'll get more from my complete lack of channel 200 use and lack of range and local channel whining and complaining.
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what's the difference between ACM and in game skill?
Actually, a lot. You can tell exactly, what the said person wanted: only the pure result or a good fight.
Here is an example:
Bruv119 has good ACM but he sacrafices the chance for a good fight for the pure result; in the other hand, Ink's ACM isnt that good (still better than 99% of the MA) but hes all for a good straight fight either he wins or loses.
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Awww I got it. Always wondered whatthe difference was
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Wrong ammo, you told me to "eff off".
Found the film of it.
And you said "roger" as an understanding of what I told you.
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Wrong ammo, you told me to "eff off".
Found the film of it.
That's what I stated.
Anyway, moments later we had words which ended with me telling you to "eff off". I tried to explain that I didn't understand you on vox at the time, but you wouldn't hear it.
And you said "roger" as an understanding of what I told you.
I am sure I did, but still - I plainly didn't understand your statement requesting me to stay out, or I would have.
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Either my eyes are lying to me or my screen was :headscratch:
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I am sure I did, but still - I plainly didn't understand your statement requesting me to stay out, or I would have.
So you never said "Roger" after my statement of intention, and showed your understanding?
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Are you saying that you can tell by the way I execute a high or low yoyo whether I'm easily offended or prone to public spectacles over game manners? You'll get more from my complete lack of channel 200 use and lack of range and local channel whining and complaining.
What about butting in to everywhere? :rofl
either way...
just an other IV. moving on.
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So you never said "Roger" after my statement of intention, and showed your understanding?
As I stated above, I am sure I said "roger". I am telling you I misunderstood your statement. I thought you said something to the effect wanting my help clearing your six. I tried to tell you that at the time of our "conversation" after the incident. I have stated my gear and settings weren't perfect at the time. I put two and two together - nmy con your six and you stating something that I thought were along the lines of requesting my assistance.
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What about butting in to everywhere? :rofl
either way...
just an other IV. moving on.
Mmmmmehok. ShruG
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If you want my opinion Dobly (and I've seen no indication that you do :lol): I say this with the greatest respect, I think your energies would be better spent retraining yourself to simply accept what you cannot change, changing what you can and learning the difference.
In these kind of instances just place yourself in the head of the 12 clearer. HE has paid his $15, HE wants to get the kill (earned or not), HE obviously cares more about the kill than the fight. HE obviously doesn't give the steam off his p**s about what you are trying to do, HE just sees an easy opportunity to notch up his score another point, get some WTGs when he lands and since AH is all about HIM, you aren't going to change that by appealing to HIS courtesy or good manners (because that just isn't as important).
I feel this trend will increase. Adapt and overcome. What else can you realistically do?
:salute
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You forgot to say the magic word. (Please) Try that instead of the "told to do so" routine.
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If Ruaml's incursion was prior to yesterday, he may not have heard you. I believe he was in time out. :devil
It was yesterday, and it was funny as hell I laughed for about 5 mins.
Ruaml beat me to the F4u he was telling every 1 "I got this one" just then swoop Ruaml bagged it LOL
Still laughin,
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I don't understand what would make you type this within this thread. :headscratch:
A fight, was ruined. The fight is what counted. The lost opportunity to finish said fight on even terms is what irks many people at these kill at all cost greenie retards(someone "Ruined" your fight, so you call them a retard, great way to make people stay out of you fight) filling the airspace.
"score and rank mean nothing", (I don't know how many times I have to repeat that, I say it to guests on my squadvox all the time).
I myself ask before jumping in on a 1v1, a number of people have around me asked first as well.. The guys that do ask first know who they are, and they are great people in my book :aok
There is something somewhere written about a community of a certain size policing itself; these idiots(Another great statement) going to clear 12's for their own score or kill tally, need to be policed by us as a community, as it were. Maybe their own kills are few and far between and they act out of desperation, but it doesn't make the act of 12 clearing when asked to stay out, acceptable.
You guys saying that you should expect nothing from others(Your right, expect nothing and move on, don't cry about it) (common courtesy in game, telling people to stay out, it's the MA), are a part of the problem; grow some balls and chew them, don't satisfy for that mentality. Inaction/apathy for it is a detriment to everyone, yourself and those around you.
If I came in here and cried about someone cleared my 12 I would have well over 100,000 post by now, it's a "GAME" you'll never make people do what "You" want them to, just move on, scream to yourself and go find another fight
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... people staying out of a fight when expressly told to do so over range?
And, when did the schools break up for summer and let these morons fly AcesHigh and piss in our pool?
RuAmL is prime example of this marmite-mining and it must stop.
Hmm! I am speechless over the IRONY!
:huh
:rofl
:ahand
:cheers:
:bolt:
JUGgler
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If I came in here and cried about someone cleared my 12 I would have well over 100,000 post by now, it's a "GAME" you'll never make people do what "You" want them to, just move on, scream to yourself and go find another fight
And because it's a game, I ask first if I see a guy in a 1 v 1 as it is common courtesy to not ruin a guys fight. If they ask for help, I'm in. If not I stay out.
Because it's a game, remembering how your play impacts on everyone else isn't such a bad thing to do.
Sadly that seems to have become a more rare approach to the game.
In the end each of us can only control our own actions, so expecting anything from anyone else is probably asking too much.
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And because it's a game, I ask first if I see a guy in a 1 v 1 as it is common courtesy to not ruin a guys fight. If they ask for help, I'm in. If not I stay out.
Because it's a game, remembering how your play impacts on everyone else isn't such a bad thing to do.
Sadly that seems to have become a more rare approach to the game.
In the end each of us can only control our own actions, so expecting anything from anyone else is probably asking too much.
But you won't make a bigger deal of it than it deserves. You won't get yourself squelched in the arena. You won't start a thread to garner sympathy or to form a possie. At least I believe you wouldn't because that's the Dan I recall.
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I've had several situation where I have 1 enemy in front of me, and 3 (or more) behind me.
Sounds to me that you had them surrounded :D
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In game skills means nothing to me. Im not good either. But ACM tells almost everything about your mindset and the way youre thinking.
Its not about whats the result, but how you wanted to get the result.
If skill means nothing to you, then why do you always bring it up in almost any thread you post in?
ack-ack
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300 people online and 300 different concepts of what proper game play is. Actually even more than that since the same guy can pick, gang and ho and then go on a rant as soon as it happens to them. Plenty of players have more than one set of acceptable game play rules. One applies to them, and one applies to the other guy.
It would be a better game if everyone showed some common courtesy and respect, but disrespectful behavior and being impolite is part of the game and it comes from the most experienced and skilled just as much as it does from the noobs and squeekers. For some, the trash talking and getting under someones skin seems to be one of the biggest attractions of the game.
The MA is set up terribly to promote 1v1 or "fair" fights. No excuse for ignoring a fellow players request to stay out, but when 1/3 or more of the guys are approaching it as a WWII game where everyone is a General and the object is killing red guys and taking land with little regard for being fair or honorable towards the enemy, 1/3 are trying to get a high score, and 1/3 are flying to find a good 1v1 fight, its obvious that 300 guys flying around pairing off in 150 1v1 ACM battles isn't going to ever happen. You have 1 player who absolutely feels the right thing to do is let this con equalize E and then battle it to the death while the guy flying next to him believes the absolute right thing to do is keep the advantage, get the red guys with whatever tactic works. They both know they are right and they both have plenty of like-minded fellow players supporting their approach. Not to mention that most players are some mixture of both.
The game is what it is. If it was only played by guys who live for the honorable 1v1, it wouldn't generate much revenue. I would love to see less of the schoolyard ego stuff and more polite interaction, but its a video game played by folks that aren't face to face with each other so poor sportmanship and the stuff that goes with anonimity are just part of it.
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300 people online and 300 different concepts of what proper game play is. Actually even more than that since the same guy can pick, gang and ho and then go on a rant as soon as it happens to them. Plenty of players have more than one set of acceptable game play rules. One applies to them, and one applies to the other guy.
It would be a better game if everyone showed some common courtesy and respect, but disrespectful behavior and being impolite is part of the game and it comes from the most experienced and skilled just as much as it does from the noobs and squeekers. For some, the trash talking and getting under someones skin seems to be one of the biggest attractions of the game.
The MA is set up terribly to promote 1v1 or "fair" fights. No excuse for ignoring a fellow players request to stay out, but when 1/3 or more of the guys are approaching it as a WWII game where everyone is a General and the object is killing red guys and taking land with little regard for being fair or honorable towards the enemy, 1/3 are trying to get a high score, and 1/3 are flying to find a good 1v1 fight, its obvious that 300 guys flying around pairing off in 150 1v1 ACM battles isn't going to ever happen. You have 1 player who absolutely feels the right thing to do is let this con equalize E and then battle it to the death while the guy flying next to him believes the absolute right thing to do is keep the advantage, get the red guys with whatever tactic works. They both know they are right and they both have plenty of like-minded fellow players supporting their approach. Not to mention that most players are some mixture of both.
The game is what it is. If it was only played by guys who live for the honorable 1v1, it wouldn't generate much revenue. I would love to see less of the schoolyard ego stuff and more polite interaction, but its a video game played by folks that aren't face to face with each other so poor sportmanship and the stuff that goes with anonimity are just part of it.
Well put.
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The game is what it is. If it was only played by guys who live for the honorable 1v1, it wouldn't generate much revenue. I would love to see less of the schoolyard ego stuff and more polite interaction, but its a video game played by folks that aren't face to face with each other so poor sportsmanship and the stuff that goes with anonymity are just part of it.
Sad and true.
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If skill means nothing to you, then why do you always bring it up in almost any thread you post in?
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Yep :headscratch:
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Next time, kill faster. Problem solved.
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Dolby..........the bottom feeders grind around at 1000 feet in LA7s so it's easy to simply not fly down there.......unless that is where you like to fly.
If that is the case, you have to take the good (lots of easy vulches/kills) with the bad (clowns flying uber late war rides that simply respond to yanking stick with zero finesse and shooting everything they see without regard to team play).
I've only run into Runaml twice and he tried to bait my TA152 into turning on the deck so I maintained an altitude advantage turning above him knowing I had fuel advantage so he decided to dive outside of proxy kill range and suicide his LA7 into a dar rather than finish the fight he was in.
He pointed his nose up and got within D800 once and I contemplated finishing his self roping but had a pretty heavy fuel load and the TA152 didn't respond well enough to get into position.
I usually dive right in no matter the position but I flew careful for once and got nothing for it.
The other time, I went after his LA7 in an I16 and got him.
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I ask before joining a 1 vs 1.
If someone asks me to stay out, I stay out.
If someone tells me to stay out, I go into the fight and clear their 12.
Courtesy goes a long way.
~S~~ Buck
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If you come upon a 1v1 and your countryman has things under control the smartest thing to do is to stay high and provide cover. I never ask because I hate it when people ask me questions when I'm trying to fight, I just look at the situation.
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You know, you can play this game with a little courtesy, it's not hard to do.
Tonight, I see a V base blinking. We had lost a few V bases due to mass GV attacks, so I grabbed a heavy P-47D-30 and went to investigate. Upon arriving, I see a fellow Rook (Gavilan) rolling out to meet the incoming attack. He's nearly to the spawn area, about 4k from the base.
I dive down and look for the enemy GVs. I spot only one, a Panzer. I tell Gavilan where it is (hiding behind a knoll just in front of him) and stand off to watch the result. Gavilan rolls around the knoll and gets ambushed. Having given Gavilan his due opportunity, I split-s in and kill the Panzer.
My thoughts were these... Gavilan had taken a long time to get to the enemy. Plus, I didn't want to interfere in a 1v1 GV fight. Let 'em do their thing and take what's left, if anything.
There's an old saying, "a true measure of character is how people behave when they think no one is watching."
These days it could re-written to say, "a true measure of character is how people behave on the internet".
Now a days, the MA is not much different than an aerial version of Lord of the Flies.....
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If it looks like a nice fight rather then a chase, then I check on range and stay above.
If the enemy is a Spit14 I dive down and kill it - no questions asked.
One exception is that I detest landing with a full ammo load. If this is one of those nights/maps when there are 300 people on, but absolutely no air war (get out of those friggin GVs!) god help the poor red that I find. I will fly through a gaggle of greenies to put all my 700 20mm rounds into him if he's the only red to be found within two sectors.
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These days it could re-written to say, "a true measure of character is how people behave on the internet".
That's certainly true, but it does raise a key point. Which is worse - Ruaml killing a plane that Dolby had called "dibs" on, or Dolby getting so ridiculously upset about it that he felt the need to come and post about it to the whole community?
I'd say the latter since this thread really contributes nothing and drags a lot of names through the mud. It's a competitive game where people sometimes "steal" kills. The solution to this isn't to whine and moan about it on the forums, but rather to learn to 1) kill faster so it doesn't happen as often, and 2) get over it quickly and realize it's been a part of online air combat sims since Air Warrior.
Dolby treads perilously close to classic Birdo territory here. I wouldn't be surprised if Ruaml have him a hearty "WOOOO WOOOOO!!!"
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Lev you would probably feel some degree of disgust too if that kept happening to you. Would you play if the MA was nothing but kill stealing? Somewhere on the curve between those two points is a threshold. IOW yep latter is worse, but they're both bad. Even if the bad's the sum of both ruaml's action and Dolby's reaction
Re: What happened to... Easter Island?
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Lev you would probably feel some degree of disgust too if that kept happening to you. Would you play if the MA was nothing but kill stealing?
For the most part, the arena is mostly nothing but kill stealing. It has been since I started flying in Air Warrior back in '96. Not everyone does it, of course, but it's always been rampant. I decided to not get disgusted by it and focus instead on making it occur less often. That meant choosing angles that got me closer to a target than everyone else, and learning how to shoot well enough that I could kill fast. I guess you could say that the culture of kill stealing in games like AW/AH made me a better player.
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For the most part, the arena is mostly nothing but kill stealing. It has been since I started flying in Air Warrior back in '96. Not everyone does it, of course, but it's always been rampant. I decided to not get disgusted by it and focus instead on making it occur less often. That meant choosing angles that got me closer to a target than everyone else, and learning how to shoot well enough that I could kill fast. I guess you could say that the culture of kill stealing in games like AW/AH made me a better player.
Levi,
I find it humorous that kill stealing was a sport with high competition when I joined the BKs back in 2003. Lazs promoted it and for the most part everyone in the squad had fun with it.
To be clear, the idea was to steal your squad mates kill; not other country men's.
I personally back off when asked and I ask the green guy if he needs help.
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Levi,
I find it humorous that kill stealing was a sport with high competition when I joined the BKs back in 2003. Lazs promoted it and for the most part everyone in the squad had fun with it.
The only thing more satisfying than stealing a Drex kill was stealing a Stang kill. Oh, the delicious tears.
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:lol
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Sure.. But at least half the players don't get that good IIRC.
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The only thing more satisfying than stealing a Drex kill was stealing a Stang kill. Oh, the delicious tears.
Good times indeed!
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I only get peeved when a teammate pours bullets into a plane either on fire or missing a wing to try to steal the kill.
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I only get peeved when a teammate pours bullets into a plane either on fire or missing a wing to try to steal the kill.
My favorite part about that is it's coded not to work.
Wiley.
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:huh :huh :huh Who likes Boobies? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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:huh :huh :huh Who likes Boobies? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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:huh :huh :huh Who likes Boobies? :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Thats not what i heard :neener:
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:aok :aok :aok :aokThats not what i heard :neener:
:uhoh
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RuPaul is back? Oh noes...
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