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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: guncrasher on August 16, 2013, 04:43:01 AM
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deputy files lawsuit against 911 caller for failing to warn him of dangerous situation.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9207650
semp
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"The deputy should know, if it's a 9-1-1 call, the deputy has to know it is a dangerous situation". There's your answer. Maybe the cop thought they called 9-1-1 to invite him over for tea and cookies. :rolleyes:
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Another case of failure to take responsibility for ones own mistake and a blood sucking fiend lawyer looking for a payday.
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Similar stuff happens over here too
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-21987343 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-21987343)
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That's some creative thinking... :bhead
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In Finland it's common to get around 5000 euros as damages for killing someone. Broken wrist hardly covers the gas to the courthouse.
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Another case of failure to take responsibility for ones own mistake and a blood sucking fiend lawyer looking for a payday.
What mistake was that?
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Going to a 911 call and getting the crap kicked out of you.
Perhaps this cop should consider a career change.
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Going to a 911 call and getting the crap kicked out of you.
Perhaps this cop should consider a career change.
I see we have an expert in the house.
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If every cop who was ever assaulted by a drug crazed mad man wound up having to pull his gun and use lethal force we would have dead people littering the landscape.
The cops excuse that the perp was going for his gun sounds just like what it is, an excuse. This guy let himself get into a situation where he felt his life was in danger because this guy was beating the hell out of him and now he blames the person who made the 911 call.
Gimme a break.
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If every cop who was ever assaulted by a drug crazed mad man wound up having to pull his gun and use lethal force we would have dead people littering the landscape.
The cops excuse that the perp was going for his gun sounds just like what it is, an excuse. This guy let himself get into a situation where he felt his life was in danger because this guy was beating the hell out of him and now he blames the person who made the 911 call.
Gimme a break.
Maybe AH can start a crime fighters training corp and let Nypsy he the head trainer.
We can even pin a little plastic badge on him.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/nipsbadge_zps038a548e.jpg)
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Maybe AH can start a crime fighters training corp and let Nypsy he the head trainer.
We can even pin a little plastic badge on him.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/nipsbadge_zps038a548e.jpg)
OK, I like little plastic badges.
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So Rich... As a LEO, do you condone this lawsuit?
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His lawsuit is a reflection on his character......
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
wow
what the hell kind of world do we live in..... :headscratch:
sue a 911 caller......because you got hurt....responding to her call for help.......yet it is your JOB to deal with these situations.....
oh ya that sounds right.............
if your an idiot.
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So Rich... As a LEO, do you condone this lawsuit?
As an LEO i will tell you that i cant figure out which is more ridiculous. This law suit or nypsy's comment. :rolleyes: Both are pretty stupid IMHO.
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dam bathsalt zombies are a nuisance which we are probably underestimating.
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As an LEO i will tell you that i cant figure out which is more ridiculous. This law suit or nypsy's comment. :rolleyes: Both are pretty stupid IMHO.
Well you have to give him credit, he was pretty spot on with this point:
and a blood sucking fiend lawyer looking for a payday.
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Well you have to give him credit, he was pretty spot on with this point:
Yes sir, I will have to agree with that one. :salute
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Mostly I find this forum a haven from all these cop-baiting threads and posts. Mostly.
Only an idiot would think they know enough to even have an opinion based on one news story.
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dam bathsalt zombies are a nuisance which we are probably underestimating.
I think we should give kids free money so they can by good drugs and not this over the counter bath salt crap. :uhoh
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deputy files lawsuit against 911 caller for failing to warn him of dangerous situation.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9207650
semp
i just read this earlier today.
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I can't see any possible angle where this lawsuit and the lawyer filing it shouldn't be thrown out on his azz, but this below is BS, it's not reasonable for a cop to get himself brutally injured or killed to avoid using lethal force on a psycho.
Sorry, but if a cop has been injured and is in danger of losing control of his weapon, he needs to do WHATEVER it takes to prevent that.
If every cop who was ever assaulted by a drug crazed mad man wound up having to pull his gun and use lethal force we would have dead people littering the landscape.
The cops excuse that the perp was going for his gun sounds just like what it is, an excuse.
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I don't think that's what he meant... I think he's saying the cop murdered the man and just says he went for his gun as an excuse to make it a legal killing.
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the point is.......no matter WHAT the reason for the 911 call.........the officer could have taken precautions, such as backup. you couldn't pay me enough money to put up with the bs police have to put up with......but considering what their job is, and they KNOW that when they sign on.......based on that alone, this is a pretty ridiculous lawsuit.
that is the equivalent of me suing you, because i dropped one of your tires on my foot, and broke it.
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I don't think that's what he meant... I think he's saying the cop murdered the man and just says he went for his gun as an excuse to make it a legal killing.
That's what I took away from the post as well.
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I dont think this is a case where the officer got out of his car and just started blasting the guy and used a "he went for his gun" excuse. the officer got into a fight with the guy and he ended up getting beat up himself. now I dont know about you, but if it was me and I was in a fight like that and I had a gun and I was in either danger of passing out or losing control of the gun, then I would blast the guy away as I would have no other choice. which is what the officer did.
now what happened during the fight is not why I posted this. I posted because it is wrong for the officer to sue the woman who called 911 because she didnt warn him that the other guy was dangerous. it is not like the woman set him up, if that had been the case I would side with the officer and sue the hell out of the woman.
semp
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I get into a lot of trouble when I say openly that I wish we could go back to the older style of policing. Where you find scumbags, beat them up, then lock them up.
Too many lawyers and do-gooders getting in the Police's way, and when someone even gets a tiny little bruise, they call Police brutality and then the lawyers flock around like vultures. My family have been London Police officers since Queen Victoria, the only reason my dad isn't one is because in the 70's they rejected him because of his eyesight (no glasses policy in the 60's and 70's). And I get tired of all these rants and raves at Police Officers being the bad guys.
That said this Officer should be discharged the moment the court-case is resolved, while his actions on the scene to me appear justified. To sue the woman who called for your help is just plain disgraceful.
my .02
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I don't think that's what he meant... I think he's saying the cop murdered the man and just says he went for his gun as an excuse to make it a legal killing.
And how would he come to that conclusion based on this story?
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"Sigh" Why am I the one that needs to point this out to you? I even have to point it out to another PO.
Before a car is dispatched to a disturbance call a dispatcher "always" asks the caller if the person involved is violent, on drugs/alcohol, or armed. So what if this lady, knowing full well he was several of the above, Lied to the dispatcher and said he wasnt? As women often do to protect some schmuck who is beating them. Knowing full well he WAS both violent and high? Should she be held liable then?
And thats my point. All any of you, or me, know about this case is the very little the Lawyers have released to the press, or the very little they released to justify charges. Nothing is really known until there is some kind of Discovery motion and even then finding the truth is often futile.
But your juries full of your peers think nothing of giving away billions of $$ for every scumbag lifer criminal that suffers an injury after picking a fight with the police. Haha , make me laugh more. The saddest thing about talking to brainwashed people is they dont even know they have been manipulated. If you have created this system where anyone can sue anyone for anything then that right belongs to everyone. Even if they are wearing perma-press. This PO went thru a traumatic event and deserves the benefit of the doubt until the actual facts are heard.
Thats the problem with these cop threads. They descend into pizzing matches for everyone that ever got a ticket, got pinched, or a DUI. Not a happy event for them, and God knows not their fault, so why not spend the rest of their lives pizzing on the Police? And even if you didnt every GD news story about the Police is negative, cause thats what sells news, and History has shown us public opinion is very easy to manipulate. Even in a so called free society.
Cap there are times when you have to weigh your safety against the danger to the caller. If he's a deputy help might be minutes away, or many minutes, and you have to make the call whether to go in alone or not. Dont go in and she gets hurt or killed and your screwed. Go in alone and you get hurt or killed and, obviously, your screwed. Either way the mind screwed public will probably bad mouth you. We usually go in, even alone, cause we took the job to serve and protect even at the risk of our own.
Ive lost two friends to gun grabbers at disturbance calls. PM me and I'll send you their pages at "Officer Down". One good friend was killed by a woman who grabbed his gun and shot him in the face. He had been a gunner on a river boat in 'nam and saw more action then anybody here so tell me how it could never happen to you. Ive had offenders try and grab mine 3 separate times. Been shot at 4 times. Cant sit and play the game for long cause I went down a flight of stairs with a wife beater once. I couldnt begin to count all the violent/armed fools Ive had to deal with.
My advice to this young Deputy would be to drop the law suite and become a fireman. Everyone likes firemen. I bet if it was a fireman suing so many of you wouldnt be frothing. :lol
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Rich I was a paramedic firefighter for several years. We had incompetent dispatchers put us in danger on several occasions. Was shot at twice and once was a domestic violence case. After pulling the 911 tape the dispatcher was well aware that it was a DM call but decided the important thing was to send a ambulance for the guys cut on his head. The call was sent to us as a laseration to the forhead. The wife answered the door we went in, the man walks out of the bedroom not three feet away from us and shots one round in our direction before me and my female partner were able to subdue him. How the guy missed both of us at that close a range is miracle to me. The dispatcher didn't send in police backup to clear the scene before sending us in which is SOP on DM cases.
Point being It never crossed my mind to sue the dispatcher for extream stupidity. Did get the rest of the shift off with pay though so that was a bonus :cheers:
You are right though about no one knowing the facts of the case however if there was a need to send a police officer then there must have been some expectation of violence.
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Rich, the officer has a remedy here - it's called W. Comp. It's also the exclusive remedy against an employer in TX, hence why the bloodsucking lawyer is targeting the woman instead of the city (where the really deep pockets are).
Also, I'd like to be clear that I'm not questioning what the LEO did AT the scene in the heat of the moment... Just what he's done afterwards, with plenty of time to think about it.
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"Sigh" Why am I the one that needs to point this out to you? I even have to point it out to another PO.
Before a car is dispatched to a disturbance call a dispatcher "always" asks the caller if the person involved is violent, on drugs/alcohol, or armed. So what if this lady, knowing full well he was several of the above, Lied to the dispatcher and said he wasnt? As women often do to protect some schmuck who is beating them. Knowing full well he WAS both violent and high? Should she be held liable then?
No.
What's next? Soldiers suing people who voted for the incumbent government because they sent them to war and got hurt?
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That said this Officer should be discharged the moment the court-case is resolved, while his actions on the scene to me appear justified.
He'll do the same thing a bad cop does when he gets in trouble, move to the next County/City and get hired there. Very common scenario and a big reason cops get a bad reputation. They don't weed out the bad ones, just move them around.
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Before a car is dispatched to a disturbance call a dispatcher "always" asks the caller if the person involved is violent, on drugs/alcohol, or armed. So what if this lady, knowing full well he was several of the above, Lied to the dispatcher and said he wasn't? As women often do to protect some schmuck who is beating them. Knowing full well he WAS both violent and high? Should she be held liable then?
"Always" is BS
Even if she did ....I wouldn't sue her. Like i said before "IMHO" stupid! I have lost friends also Rich and I don't need anything pointed out to me when comes to not trusting a damn thing a dispatcher or complaintant tells me about a disturbance. If she said he was an angel.......would you believe her? Hell no! Guy fought for his life and won! I'm behind him! Good job until its proved otherwise. Now he is going to sue the complaintant for not warning him. Get the @#$% out of here! If she conspired to ambush the deputy then lets file on her.
last post for me on this. Rich if you wanna go back and forth we can PM :salute
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This is all a big nothing. Its one private party suing another private party. And its a "big nothing" nobody knows the details to as well, to belittle it even more. So thats my point. Not only doesnt anyone know the details but as a private law suit its not even really our business. At least it isnt mine. Sweet Jesus! It must be all those "Judge Judy" shows.
And frankly Tex I dont even want to talk more about it in PM. Stay safe. :salute
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Rich, the officer has a remedy here - it's called W. Comp. It's also the exclusive remedy against an employer in TX, hence why the bloodsucking lawyer is targeting the woman instead of the city (where the really deep pockets are).
Also, I'd like to be clear that I'm not questioning what the LEO did AT the scene in the heat of the moment... Just what he's done afterwards, with plenty of time to think about it.
ever think that any bloodsucking lawyer first needs a blood sucking complainant to act?
semp
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ever think that any bloodsucking lawyer first needs a blood sucking complainant to act?
An often overlooked point.
- oldman
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He'll do the same thing a bad cop does when he gets in trouble, move to the next County/City and get hired there. Very common scenario and a big reason cops get a bad reputation. They don't weed out the bad ones, just move them around.
BS. What you do at one department follows you. The good old boy system is alive and well in Police departments and while they may not be able to legally tell another department about the actions that got you fired, you can rest assured that the exact reasons will be well know be the hiring department. Oh and he was absolutely right in what he did in that situation if what we've been shown is true.
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And frankly Tex I dont even want to talk more about it in PM. Stay safe. :salute
You too ..............i think ill stay in the fishing thread :D
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The cop should have just shot the bath salt freak between the eyes like a rabid dog and then beat the woman all along the kneecaps for allowing the bastige in her house. Case closed...next call please.
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I will say this though there are some people who should never be police officers. Grew up with this kid who was a habitual liar. When he turned 20 he got a job as a Police officer due to his family connections in Long Beach MS. Little punk got fired for brutally hand cuffing a man and his 10 year old daughter in a small wooded patch for target practicing with a BB gun. Little sod said they pointed a gun at him. When in actuality it was him pointing his gun at them. Turns out the guy was a well respected member of the comunity on his own damn property. Pisses me off every time I think about it. Little punk should have never been given a badge.
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I like how cops get so upset at any hint that any of them might have done anything wrong. Really? Do you think public opinion comes out of no where? Let me tell you a story about the good old days.
1988, January in Chicago. Cold as hell and I am walking home from my girlfriends house with a back back with college books. Out of no where this beat up car comes speeding down the wrong way and tries to cut me off as I cross the sidewalk crossing an alley. I jump out of the way and next think I know two guys guns drawn are yelling "on the ground mother*****". So, here I am on the ground with a fat guy on my back and guns pointing at me and yelling. He asked for my address and as soon as I told him they got back in the car and left. Do you see any wrong doing there? Good thing I am white or you may not be able to read this now.
So, like every other profession, there are idiots in it. The difference is that in every other profession they are not protected and they are not above the law. We all know what happens if one of you gets pulled over right? Just show your badge and its all good. If you guys made an example of said idiots instead of protecting them I bet you public opinion would change towards cops and the good ones would not have to be looked at the way they are now.
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ever think that any bloodsucking lawyer first needs a blood sucking complainant to act?
semp
I don't see too many claimants taking out ads and commercials everywhere they can.
I'm actually a claims handler. For 10 years before that, I was a bloodsucking paralegal, so I'm quite aware of how this whole game works ;) And I'll tell ya, not too many claimants know what they're doing until a lawyer educates them.
Of course to be fair there are plenty of insurance companies out there that aren't doing the world any favors either.
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The difference is that in every other profession they are not protected and they are not above the law. We all know what happens if one of you gets pulled over right? Just show your badge and its all good.
Perk of the Job get over it or pay them more a LOT MORE
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I love the self-righteous indignation of the felons on this board....
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The difference is that in every other profession they are not protected and they are not above the law. We all know what happens if one of you gets pulled over right? Just show your badge and its all good.
Perk of the Job get over it or pay them more a LOT MORE
hey, no one is forcing anyone to join any profession. If it does not pay enough quit and try to survive like the rest of us.
So the perk is to break the law? So if you are a banker the perk should be ....? A pharmacist?
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Like every profession there are good ones and bad ones.
I am probably heading towards a law enforcement career at some point after I finish University.
I will say it before and I'm saying it again. When my Great Grandad walked the beat in London, everyone knew he was a cop, everyone knew he was there to keep everyone safe. The criminals knew that he was out there watching, and they knew, should they start, he will finish.
Cops are there to clean up the streets, there are all sorts of lowlifes out there wanting to rob, rape, murder, tag and burgle anything and everything. And besides responsible gun owners, they are the only line of defence against them. So everyone who gives police officers crap, just remember, they are there because you need them. If you did something to get his attention, unless he is bent or otherwise incompetent, you are in the wrong.
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I love the self-righteous indignation of the felons on this board....
Yes Bodhi, there are a lot of parolees on this board :lol
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Every job has a perk. Do you have one ? A job that it is, :neener: or is it a bad word used only by the man?? (love muffin) love muffin lol that's not at all what I wanted to say :rofl
what I said in the original comment relateted to a donkey and its slang name in America. First word Jack
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BS. What you do at one department follows you. The good old boy system is alive and well in Police departments and while they may not be able to legally tell another department about the actions that got you fired, you can rest assured that the exact reasons will be well know be the hiring department. Oh and he was absolutely right in what he did in that situation if what we've been shown is true.
BS. Unless they pull their certification they bounce. We get recycled cops thru here on a regular basis. They screw up in the metro area then move to a neighboring county SO. When that blows up they go from town to town. It's letting the bad apples go with nothing worse than "a would not rehire" on their employment record.
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BS. Unless they pull their certification they bounce. We get recycled cops thru here on a regular basis. They screw up in the metro area then move to a neighboring county SO. When that blows up they go from town to town. It's letting the bad apples go with nothing worse than "a would not rehire" on their employment record.
That's the nature of small town PDs. It's a stepping stone going up or coming down. They can't keep anyone worth a damn around for long because they will move on to bigger pay so you end up with with the bottom of the barrel to choose from. You want decent cops? Pay them
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That's the nature of small town PDs. It's a stepping stone going up or coming down. They can't keep anyone worth a damn around for long because they will move on to bigger pay so you end up with with the bottom of the barrel to choose from. You want decent cops? Pay them
I do agree on that one. Cops should be paid more but also be held accountable. That way you will end up with mostly good ones and the few bad will behave in fear of losing the pay.
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Every job has a perk. Do you have one ? A job that it is, :neener: or is it a bad word used only by the man?? (love muffin) love muffin lol that's not at all what I wanted to say :rofl
what I said in the original comment relateted to a donkey and its slang name in America. First word Jack
hello, Jack here. If we agree that every job has them, why the name calling? I do have one. One that pays based on performance and if I act like a moron I dont have one any more. How about you? Do u have one with 'perks'?
The people we pay to upheld the law seem to consider breaking the law a perk? Need I say more? It is guys like you that give the good guys a bad name :salute
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Indeed.
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That's the nature of small town PDs. It's a stepping stone going up or coming down. They can't keep anyone worth a damn around for long because they will move on to bigger pay so you end up with with the bottom of the barrel to choose from.
That was my exactly my point. There's a good 'ol boy system in place as surfinn says, it just doesn't operate like he thinks.
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here's the deal.
when someone decides to be a police officer, for whatever reason.....they KNOW that there's danger that comes with the territory. with this knowledge, officers should know to NEVER go to a 911 call......ESPECIALLY a domestic.....without expecting problems, danger, or a fight of some sort.
i know a guy that worked up from patrolman to chief in his town. we used to talk about this kind of stuff all the time. he NEVER went to a domestic alone. he NEVER took it lightly. he handled ALL of them as if someone was about to try to kill him.
i hate to say it, but anything that happened to this officer was brought onto him by himself. chances are very good that he didn't follow protocol somewhere, and that's what allowed the situation to deteriorate to this point.
i don't mean any offense towards anyone, but that's my outlook on it.