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(http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/Historical/Soviet/IS2_2.jpg)
This tank caught my eye when I saw it on the Military History Channel along with its massive gun. Now I don't really care how large the cost on this thing will be but I would love to see it in Aces High.
Tank Iosef Stalin IS2 Model 45
Type
heavy battle tank
Engine
V-2 JS, 12-cylinder water-cooled diesel engine with 520 hp
Crew
4
Length
990 cm
Width
309 cm
Height
273 cm
Battle weight
46 t
Max road speed
23 mph
Max road range
150 miles
Max terrain range
131 miles
Fuel
820 litres
Vertical obstacle
100 cm
Trench crossing
286 cm
Climbing power
36°
Armour, turret front
160 mm
Armour, turret side
110 mm
Armour, turret rear
100 mm
Armour, turret roof
30 mm
Armour, hull glacis
120 mm
Armour, hull side
95 mm
Armour, hull rear
60 mm
Armour, hull top
30mm
Armour, hull bottom
30 mm
Main armament
122 mm D-25T gun with 28 rounds
Muzzle velocity
1690 fps (HEAT),
2625 fps (HE)
Shell weight
24.9 kg Armour piercing (HE), 13.2 kg HEAT, 22.6 kg HE, 24.9 kg HE-fragmentation
Penetration 500 yds
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 1000 yds
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 1500 yds
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Penetration 2000 yds
200mm/0° (HEAT), 145mm/0° (HE)
Secondary armament
2 x DT, 1 x DShK -MG
Production
from November 1943, prototype IS-3 November 1944
Total production figure
4,204
(1943-1945)
Production 1943 (IS 2)
102
Production 1944 (IS 2)
2,252
Production 1945
(IS 2)
1,500
+ 350 IS 3
Other Informational Sites http://ww2total.com/WW2/Weapons/Vehicles/Tanks/Russian/Stalin-tank/Stalin-3-tank.htm (http://ww2total.com/WW2/Weapons/Vehicles/Tanks/Russian/Stalin-tank/Stalin-3-tank.htm)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=357 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=357)
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No. Probably this tank only shot at reinforced bunkers and civilians. At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.
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No. Probably this tank only shot at reinforced bunkers and civilians. At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.
How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.
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It is the best Russian tank in ww2, Is2 has 2 things against it versus its rivals
slow
with 2-3 rounds a minute you better hit with the first round if you counter a late tank.
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+1
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How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.
There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.
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There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.
That really doesn't matter...all you have to do is look at the polls HTC has put up for "Next Aircraft"...Gloster Meteor only saw confirmed use in a ground attack role yet it was still included in the poll.
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There is no actual tank-vs-tank history for this tank. It was used as an assault tank against concrete bunkers. In fact, the majority of its ammunition is for concrete smashing, but it also has chemical weapons for use against 'soft' targets. Yes, the gun could effectively punch through any German armor, but it was never used that way.
It still served during world war two, and in a number of engagements against German Armor. One notable engagement in Hungary put Tiger IIs against JS-2s. In fact there were quite a few operating in december 1944.
You might be thinking of the JS-3 which were rushed to the front but did not see combat.
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No, it would be near useless for the most part. The Tiger and Partner would be far superior for typical AH use. And due to it having such a slow rate of fire, the one thing it might theoretically do better at (long range sniping) would be excessively difficult.
Beyond that, the Jagdpanther's 88mm, available for a mere 30 perks, would tear through it well beyond 3000m, and it would have the optics to reliably put it's shell on target.
Before we get the IS 2, we should get some of their TD's, the SU 100 in particular.
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It still served during world war two, and in a number of engagements against German Armor. One notable engagement in Hungary put Tiger IIs against JS-2s. In fact there were quite a few operating in december 1944.
You might be thinking of the JS-3 which were rushed to the front but did not see combat.
Can you document that? It matters.
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No, it would be near useless for the most part. The Tiger and Partner would be far superior for typical AH use. And due to it having such a slow rate of fire, the one thing it might theoretically do better at (long range sniping) would be excessively difficult.
Beyond that, the Jagdpanther's 88mm, available for a mere 30 perks, would tear through it well beyond 3000m, and it would have the optics to reliably put it's shell on target.
Before we get the IS 2, we should get some of their TD's, the SU 100 in particular.
Not to mention more American armor, and a whole lot of Cruiser tanks.
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Armor values are soemwhat wrong, turret front armor was just 120mm, that 160mm is turret front + gun mantlet (Panther would have 220mm if you count both together).
Also the initial IS-2 model 1943 had a major design fault in the stepped frontal hull armor (taken over from KV tanks) and could be penetrated by the standard 75mm guns of the StuG III, Panzer IV and the towed PaK. This fault was fixed in the model 44 with a single-piece plate.
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Can you document that? It matters.
Of course I can, I will post some photos soon enough of different sources.
No, it would be near useless for the most part.
This is where your German iron BEATS ALL thinking is just completely wrong. Unless the IS-2 gets in a shooting match beyond 2k the IS-2 will lose. However in Aces High my typical shooting match is under 1500 where the IS-2 can do just fine.
at 1.5k or under the IS-2 can beat any german armor. In fact the IS-2 can destroy a Tiger at 1500m and a Panther at 2000m. Only the Optics made the difference, the Russians had inferior optics to the Germans.
Considering it can kill any german tank, and knock down town heavily? It might be a nice town destroyer that can actually defeat tanks too (unlike our M4-75). I fully support a heavy assault tank.
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(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/is2-1.jpg)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/is2.jpg)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/tiger2j.jpg)
These are just some of the examples of the IS-2 in action, It clearly states the IS-2 was used to break through fortifications and bunkers, however on ocassions it had to fight german tanks, mainly because the German heavy tank units would loiter around the battlefield waiting for the russians to attack, then move up.
The IS-2 was basically designed to smash a fortification so Infantry can rush through and create a gap in the line and disrupt the defenders.
It shows the tank entered combat in February 1944, however closest I can find it actually was used was May 1944.
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How so? It would be a perked town killer, not that we need one.
Can you kill a town with 28 rounds?
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+1
Strengths and plenty of flaws to keep it from unbalancing game play.
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Of course I can, I will post some photos soon enough of different sources.
This is where your German iron BEATS ALL thinking is just completely wrong. Unless the IS-2 gets in a shooting match beyond 2k the IS-2 will lose. However in Aces High my typical shooting match is under 1500 where the IS-2 can do just fine.
at 1.5k or under the IS-2 can beat any german armor. In fact the IS-2 can destroy a Tiger at 1500m and a Panther at 2000m. Only the Optics made the difference, the Russians had inferior optics to the Germans.
Considering it can kill any german tank, and knock down town heavily? It might be a nice town destroyer that can actually defeat tanks too (unlike our M4-75). I fully support a heavy assault tank.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
How often do you actually tank? You should know that as long as the IS 2 can be penetrated, whoever acquires the range first will win in most cases.
You should also already know that the Germans have an advantage in that area, and that the IS 2 is at a disadvantage even to other Russian tanks, due to firing only once every 20 seconds.
Would the IS 2 be a decent assault tank? Sure, possibly the best one we could add, baring prototypes. But it falls short in the anti tank role, which is most of AH ground combat.
@ Vinkman, it's essentially a 5" gun. If you can't kill it, you can sure beat the hell out of it. Of course you wound need an M3, or several other tanks. One probably would want to carry mostly AP shells, kill ack, and then focus on killing attacking tanks.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
How often do you actually tank? You should know that as long as the IS 2 can be penetrated, whoever acquires the range first will win in most cases.
Nvm not going to argue with someone who has no clue. Fact is the IS-2 can penetrate any german tank, you claim its useless. Prove its useless.
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Then you shouldn't be as ignorant as you are.
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Then you shouldn't be as ignorant as you are.
Jager's General Stats for Late War Tour 138
Total Sorties: 489
Total Sortie Time: 2 days 01:12:45
287 Kills 306 Deaths
Panzer IV H 23 35 16 38
Tiger 2 49 7 1 3
So your an expert in this game with not even 100 kills in a ground vehicle per tour?
Tour 139 Lets just see what I did that tour if I played:
Butcher's General Stats for Late War Tour 139
Total Sorties: 713
Total Sortie Time: 5 days 04:50:03
2257 Kills 292 Deaths
Panther G 645 13 11 26
T-34/85 801 163 33 105
Stats don't lie, I believe I know enough about the ground war. Barely 100 kills and you are an expert? give me a break you might learn to shut up and listen to someone with experience sometime. I'm not wanting to argue with you Tank, just trying to get you to realize I do have the information handy, you could just message me sometime and I can email you some books to read, your comments about the IS-2 being useless is a joke, considering if you ever tanked in Aces high you'd realize not all fights are at 3,000m.
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You know I left for two years. Don't twist things.
Also, those stats must be off, since I only upped one Tiger II.
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You know I left for two years. Don't twist things.
Also, those stats must be off, since I only upped one Tiger II.
It shows 49 kills 3 deaths, probably the tour the Tiger 2 was half priced.
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Oh yeah... Forget about that. Was working with the forest service that summer.
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Jager's General Stats for Late War Tour 138
Total Sorties: 489
Total Sortie Time: 2 days 01:12:45
287 Kills 306 Deaths
Panzer IV H 23 35 16 38
Tiger 2 49 7 1 3
So your an expert in this game with not even 100 kills in a ground vehicle per tour?
Tour 139 Lets just see what I did that tour if I played:
Butcher's General Stats for Late War Tour 139
Total Sorties: 713
Total Sortie Time: 5 days 04:50:03
2257 Kills 292 Deaths
Panther G 645 13 11 26
T-34/85 801 163 33 105
Stats don't lie, I believe I know enough about the ground war. Barely 100 kills and you are an expert? give me a break you might learn to shut up and listen to someone with experience sometime. I'm not wanting to argue with you Tank, just trying to get you to realize I do have the information handy, you could just message me sometime and I can email you some books to read, your comments about the IS-2 being useless is a joke, considering if you ever tanked in Aces high you'd realize not all fights are at 3,000m.
I think we know who the real tank ace is. Incredible butcher. :salute
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I welcome any Soviet heavy armor. With only two Soviet vehicles in game, there's a huge historic gap there as far as eastern front goes.
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It shows the tank entered combat in February 1944, however closest I can find it actually was used was May 1944.
Well, since the T-34s are already in game this would really help fill out the Russian armor, but I think the larger, more prevalent (common) tank battles did not include this one. I don't think it's needed, but it qualifies.
@Wmaker, there is a huge gap on all sides when it comes to armor. I realize it seems like the other sides are filled out, but it isn't true. Not by a long shot.
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@Wmaker, there is a huge gap on all sides when it comes to armor. I realize it seems like the other sides are filled out, but it isn't true. Not by a long shot.
I realize that Soviet armor is not the only gap. However, historically speaking it is by far the biggest gap, that's a no brainer. Simply by looking at the scale of fighting which went on eastern front compared to the western ETO. You've said before that the events in the real war hardly matter in the LWMA. That may be, but I find it infinitely more sensible and logical to add units (As long as they have a use in the game, and competetive GVs in this case, do.) in the objective order of importance instead of "because its American and *I* want it" -type of reasoning.
And then of course there's the special events. Most scenarios with heavy GV involvement have been later war eastern front Scenarios such as Niemen, Stalin's Fourth and Kurland.
At best it would unbalance vehicles too much.
It wouldn't unbalance anything. AH has a perk system which seems to work rather well overall.
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There is a ton of Russian armor needed before the IS-2, however the IS-2 can be added in Aces high. I don't vote on it, I rather would have the SU-100 and Su-85 something I know can combat tiger tanks to balance the system out.
Other tanks like the KV-1 would help EW, Su-76 for MW, Su-85/100 for LWA.
KV Series go from EW to LW as well.
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Yep, I personally think that Su-100 should be the next tank/tank destroyer.
Historically speaking Su-76 self propelled artillery vehicle was hugely important with almost 15000 produced. In many ways it was to Red Army what Il-2 was for the VVS. But Su-76 just doesn't really have much use in the game outside of eastern front scenarios.
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Exactly what we need, another Soviet tank that is nearly unkillable. No thanks.
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An unkillable T-34 :rofl.....
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Exactly what we need, another Soviet tank that is nearly unkillable. No thanks.
Umm, the IS-2 was kill able, It wasn't designed to combat the Tiger or Panther, rather it was a breakthrough tank designed to smash fortifications, so it had heavy armor and a big gun, it doesn't mean it couldn't be killed.
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Yeah, that whole Is-2 being designed (or even adapted) to combat tanks of any kind is pure myth. Its even a myth about the Is-2 being armed with the 122mm because of shortages of the 100mm. The 122mm was chosen because it had a much better HE shell, while maintaining acceptable penetration, and thus was better suited for a break-through tank.
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The 122mm gun was in production, the brand-new 100 not. That and the larger HE shell was the reason for gun choice. the 100mm did not appear in numbers until late summer 44.
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The IS-2??? Seriously??? This thing wouldn't be any more difficult to destroy than a Panther. Someone please post the abilities of the main gun as well, it isn't all it is cracked up to be. The extremely slow fire rate alone would seriously hamper its ability to survive in the MA.
Seriously folks... the IS-2 isn't all it is cracked up to be. HTC would do better to put their gv time and efforts in to the Su-100 instead. :aok
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The IS-2??? Seriously??? This thing wouldn't be any more difficult to destroy than a Panther.
Umm a Panther would have to close to 600m to destroy an IS-2 from the front. Tiger I think would go toe to toe at either 1200 or 1400m. You would have to flank the IS-2 in order to kill it, which means its a pretty tough target even if its reload time is slow.
Panther has far more speed and can flank faster, but an IS-2 only needs to get close to blow the tracks off a tank or dislodge the turret.
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Umm a Panther would have to close to 600m to destroy an IS-2 from the front. Tiger I think would go toe to toe at either 1200 or 1400m. You would have to flank the IS-2 in order to kill it, which means its a pretty tough target even if its reload time is slow.
Panther has far more speed and can flank faster, but an IS-2 only needs to get close to blow the tracks off a tank or dislodge the turret.
Uhhh.... The Panther's gun is better than the Tiger's out to past 2000m IIRC.
Also, aren't you usually going on about how ranged combat is relatively rare? And a direct hit with an AP shell won't always take tracks off, and rocket salvos are 50/50 at best. Splash from a 122mm isn't going to do what you're imagining.
Also, frontal LOS armor values are pretty close between the Panther and Is 2. At close range, the Panther actually has a pretty large advantage in combat.
And at long range, ROF will really start to hurt it.
It would be an assault tank with good anti tank capabilities, even if it can't stand the heat in direct combat.
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Uhhh.... The Panther's gun is better than the Tiger's out to past 2000m IIRC.
Also, aren't you usually going on about how ranged combat is relatively rare? And a direct hit with an AP shell won't always take tracks off, and rocket salvos are 50/50 at best. Splash from a 122mm isn't going to do what you're imagining.
Also, frontal LOS armor values are pretty close between the Panther and Is 2. At close range, the Panther actually has a pretty large advantage in combat.
AT normal Combat range of 1,000 meters the Tiger and IS-2 can knock each other both out, At Longer ranges the capabilities of both tanks were dependant on the crews and battlefield conditions. The Thicker Front armor of the IS-2 protected it against Tiger I Fire at ranges of over 1500meters while the Tiger was still Vunerable to IS-2 Fire. A Close hit from a HE round from an IS-2 was capable of knocking out tracks or in case of a direct hit dislodge the turret. However the German tank enjoyed markedly better optical equipment than the Soviet tank, a featrue which influenced any long-ranged engagements. The relative Advantages and Disadvantages of both tanks meant that victory in tank combat was most often dictated by teh tactical situation and Crew performance.
So that explains the IS-2 is just as capable as the Tiger, it just depends on the situation - in aces high that means either tank can win.
NOw for the Panther - In overall terms, the IS-2 and Panther were a fairly close match in anti-tank firepower. But the panther carried far many more rounds, 81 against the Stalins 28. The difference was a consequence of the Soviet selection of the 122mm gun, which had larger and heavier ammunition then the German long 75. Both guns had similar anti armor penetration at 1,000 meters (150-160mm) the German projectile weighting at 4.7 kg while the Soviet projectile weighed a staggering 25 kg.
The IS-2 stalin had a significant advantage over the Panther in terms of armour both on the turret front (160mm vs 110m) and Hull front (120mm vs 90mm) the soviet advantage came from the expense of internal volume, another reason the Soviet tank carried so few rounds of ammunition.
Accord to German Tactical instructions a Panther needed to close to 600 meters to guarantee a penetration of an IS-2 while the IS-2 could penetrate the Panther at ranges of 1,000 meters. However both tanks could penetrate each other of a range of 2,000 metres (From the side i forgot to add this). The Panther while a more nimble tank, which top speed was 46 km/h against 37 km/h.
Now onto Range combat, its been my experience over the years of tanking in Aces high, my average combat has been 1000-1400 yards max unless I flank to some hill and shoot down on a battlefield. Of course an AP round wouldn't knock the tracks off, however a close hit from an HE round of the 122mm is enough to knock out a Turret or Tracks. It would have to be a direct hit on the turret ring in order for this to happen, the 152mm were known to do this (KV-2 tank for example simply just had to hit a german early war tank to blow it up).
Does this help answer your questions? I mistakenly guessed the ranges earlier, these numbers have been taken out of IS-2 Heavy Tank 1944-1973
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Again, the IS-2 had nowhere 160mm of frontal armor plates, this may only be correct if counting the thickest armor spot of frontal turret + gun mantlet. The Panther would have ~200mm in this case.
Only the IS-2 model 1944 looks equal or better than the Panther - the model 1943 was penetrateable at almost any range because of the weak flat frontal armor section with just 60mm or the near-vertical front plate of 120mm.
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Y9our distances are subjective you know. I have killed Tiger IIs before from 5k from the front.
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Y9our distances are subjective you know. I have killed Tiger IIs before from 5k from the front.
I'll take the bait.....
Someone please post that "O Rly" meme of President Bush.
If you in fact got a kill on a King Tiger at 5000 yards, I want to know A: What were you smoking?, and B: what gun did you use an what part of the King Tiger did you connect with? There has got to be a bug and you must have found it... at 5000 yards. I don't even have to look up the gun stats to know that there is not a gun in AH, other than maybe an 8in or 5in naval gun that could take out a King Tiger at 5000 yards.
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I'll take the bait.....
Someone please post that "O Rly" meme of President Bush.
If you in fact got a kill on a King Tiger at 5000 yards, I want to know A: What were you smoking?, and B: what gun did you use an what part of the King Tiger did you connect with? There has got to be a bug and you must have found it... at 5000 yards. I don't even have to look up the gun stats to know that there is not a gun in AH, other than maybe an 8in or 5in naval gun that could take out a King Tiger at 5000 yards.
Only an 8 inch gun could possibly, but he wouldn't have film to prove it either way.
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I'll take the bait.....
Someone please post that "O Rly" meme of President Bush.
If you in fact got a kill on a King Tiger at 5000 yards, I want to know A: What were you smoking?, and B: what gun did you use an what part of the King Tiger did you connect with? There has got to be a bug and you must have found it... at 5000 yards. I don't even have to look up the gun stats to know that there is not a gun in AH, other than maybe an 8in or 5in naval gun that could take out a King Tiger at 5000 yards.
I just did it again tonight. In fact, nearly did it three times, but two guys towered before I was finished. It takes three and sometimes four hits to finally punch through, but it can be done.
EDIT: I just checked the film from tonight. The range was 4.4k and at that range I killed a Tiger II and three Jagdpanthers.
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I'm assuming you're talking from the side with another KwK 43. If not, I call BS. There is no tank gun in the game capable of defeating the frontal armor of a Tiger II at 4.4k. Even the Jagdpanther is HIGHLY questionable at that range.
Fact of the matter is that you need to provide films for your claims. You do have something of a reputation for bluster and exaggeration, so nobody is going to take your word for it.
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I just did it again tonight. In fact, nearly did it three times, but two guys towered before I was finished. It takes three and sometimes four hits to finally punch through, but it can be done.
EDIT: I just checked the film from tonight. The range was 4.4k and at that range I killed a Tiger II and three Jagdpanthers.
We'll assume you're using a the Jagdpanther as a platform (or the King Tiger). Please find the penetration values for that 88mm at 2000 yards. Post it. Then based on film add in what you think the angle of your impact was to the armor in question. Post it.
Now... if the armor is able to shrug it off with either a perpendicular hit or 30 degree hit at 2000 yards, then 4000+ yards should be able to as well. Likewise, at that range the angle of impact can be a huge trump card as well (just like being up close). So... may I suggest you verify your ranges and your angle of impacts, and then send the film to HTC because there is an obvious damage bug. NOTHING in AH, be it the Jagdpanther or the 17 Pdr AT gun on bases should be able to defeat King Tiger or armor at that 4000+ range. At this time, I'll gamble on the Jagdpanther being in the same boat (I'll go look up armor next).
Send the film to HTC, they will look it over. They fixed a bug in the Panther, I'm sure they'll do the same for the King Tiger and Jadgpanther.
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I'm assuming you're talking from the side with another KwK 43. If not, I call BS. There is no tank gun in the game capable of defeating the frontal armor of a Tiger II at 4.4k. Even the Jagdpanther is HIGHLY questionable at that range.
Fact of the matter is that you need to provide films for your claims. You do have something of a reputation for bluster and exaggeration, so nobody is going to take your word for it.
The problem is kid, that I tell you what I just did and you assume it's exaggeration. The problem exists within you and not me.
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Hey, Loon, I should add that the first time I did this it was 7k. I will send the film to HTC. If it is a bug they can fix it, but as a Tiger II driver there is no way I would share it.
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Son, the problem is on your end. If you can't back your wild claims up, don't bother posting.
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Hey, Loon, I should add that the first time I did this it was 7k. I will send the film to HTC. If it is a bug they can fix it, but as a Tiger II driver there is no way I would share it.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Son, the problem is on your end. If you can't back your wild claims up, don't bother posting.
kid, the problem is you hang out with people that think just like you do. You are the one that makes outrageous claims and cannot live up to them. You claimed I was exaggerating about dropping hangars, which I proved was just like I said. There is no need for me to prove I can kill TigerIIs at long range, since I do it. Now let's have a look here:
Jager
Kills per Death + 1 0.50 485
Kills per Sortie 0.50 349
Kills per Hour of Flight 9.00 124
Kills Hit Percentage 1.19 593
Kill Points 15.14 668
Damage per Death 0.00 1056
Damage per Sortie 0.00 1056
Damage Hit Percentage 0.00 1056
Damage Points 0.00 1056
Field Captures 0 1056
Chalenge
Kills per Death + 1 29.00 1
Kills per Sortie 0.29 478
Kills per Hour of Flight 2.99 454
Kills Hit Percentage 44.12 52
Kill Points 4534.46 20
Damage per Death 1145721.92 1
Damage per Sortie 11457.22 8
Damage Hit Percentage 0.00 1056
Damage Points 1145721.92 1
Field Captures 0 1056
Hmm, seems you pretty much should just keep your mouth shut.
Weaper, you got nothing also, and you exemplify exactly the personality type I am withholding this from.
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Nothing more than an occasional tanker here, but I recognize and appreciate a good liar when I see one! :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Your naive attempt to bait me into posting a film will not work. I know you for what you are.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
"I'm not just a member of that club, I'm... I'm.... the President! Yeah! That's the ticket!"
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Yes, I'm sure you are. Rather, I know punks tend to mouth off when they can't do anything else.
Since you called me a liar. We can set up a situation where you are 4.4k away and I will kill your Tiger II.
EDIT: We can do it right now. Come up at 103 and turn toward 88 face on. You can shoot back. :devil
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All mouth and no show.
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Challenge, you seem to be under some delusion that I want to emulate you. Let me be clear; in may ways you epitomize what I hate in AH.
You purposefully avoid anything resembling combat to shell bases. You alt monkey and pick, you bluster and brag. You're just abrasive in general. About the only thing missing is being a horde tard, and you would be the antithesis of what I aspire to be in AH.
Hell, even the scores largely prove you a tard. Your kills per sortie and kills per hour are both inferior to mine. The fact that you even bothered posting damage stats just shows you either have no memory, or are an imbecile.
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LOL you moron, I'm alt-tabbing back and forth, just saw your "chalenge" and could care less. You're a liar and a big-mouth. Stick with Runstangs and great stories! :aok
You said you killed a Tiger II at 7K... that's what I was laughing at.
Oh.... you were 7k away in offline practice and shot him 237 times..... OK. :lol
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No, I was 7k away and hit him 5 times. See? You're just a punk. You got no guts to back up your mouth. I stayed online until just now. You could have come on anytime. One guy tried in a TigerII and after the second hit got the tower syndrome.
Must suck to be you!
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Challenge, you seem to be under some delusion that I want to emulate you. Let me be clear; in may ways you epitomize what I hate in AH.
You purposefully avoid anything resembling combat to shell bases. You alt monkey and pick, you bluster and brag. You're just abrasive in general. About the only thing missing is being a horde tard, and you would be the antithesis of what I aspire to be in AH.
Hell, even the scores largely prove you a tard. Your kills per sortie and kills per hour are both inferior to mine. The fact that you even bothered posting damage stats just shows you either have no memory, or are an imbecile.
You just don't resupply. I do. Nitpicking the stats only makes where you are the worse player stand out.
Last time you wanted tanks and guns that offered indirect fire. When I proved you already had that ability (or more correctly I do, you don't) then suddenly you hate that style.
Let me just point out here "Ace," if I ever turn to engage you. . . you are going to look mighty foolish.
Ha! Just looked again. Two sorties? You're not even playing this game!
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No, I was 7k away and hit him 5 times. See? You're just a punk. You got no guts to back up your mouth. I stayed online until just now. You could have come on anytime. One guy tried in a TigerII and after the second hit got the tower syndrome.
Must suck to be you!
Amazing how much you think I give a crap, I just enjoy laughing at you. Stay at 30K you punk.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Yes, your ignorance is alarming. Whether you care or not has never interested me. I'm just pointing out how full of horse hockey you are. Plumb full! It has risen to the level never exceeded before, and now it's obvious you don't come into AH for gameplay, but to talk smack and attack people on the BBS. You talk crap and you cannot walk the walk. That is the definition of punk. You personify the word, in fact.
And your use of the animated emoticons makes you look even more foolish.
I offered to prove the 4.4k claim. You did not show up. That says it all.
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You just don't resupply. I do. Nitpicking the stats only makes where you are the worse player stand out.
Last time you wanted tanks and guns that offered indirect fire. When I proved you already had that ability (or more correctly I do, you don't) then suddenly you hate that style.
It would be cool, since obviously artillery would carry a shell trail. I personally wouldn't do artillery, but it sure would be fun to kill them. They would also make good CV busters for ports and V bases.
Do you even grasp the fact that not everything has to make hiding easier?
Let me just point out here "Ace," if I ever turn to engage you. . . you are going to look mighty foolish.
I sincerely doubt that. From everything I've seen of you, your strategy centers on extreme alt monkeying, avoiding combat, and alt monkeying. And even not playing much, I'm not terrible. But you playing, you're still not great.
But hell, since you would actually need to come to a fight in order to engage me, the chances of coming within gunnery range are about zero.
Ha! Just looked again. Two sorties? You're not even playing this game!
Sorry, I forgot playing games was more important than my engineering degree :rolleyes:. God what a twit you are; you try to impress people with your stats (which are, by the way are quite average, and entirely meaningless for the most part) you try to deride me for not playing very much when you have literally no idea of what my life is at the moment. You expect everything you say to be taken as truth, no matter how ridiculous, and without any proof.
The ego you must have, to presume to command so much respect, when you've done oh so very little to earn it.
I must say, if you have any brothers or sisters, I pray they've turned out better than you have.
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LOL you moron, I'm alt-tabbing back and forth, just saw your "chalenge" and could care less. You're a liar and a big-mouth. Stick with Runstangs and great stories! :aok
You said you killed a Tiger II at 7K... that's what I was laughing at.
Oh.... you were 7k away in offline practice and shot him 237 times..... OK. :lol
At 7000yds, every tank gun in the game is physically incapable of penetrating a Tiger II's side armor, much less the frontal armor. The shells simply lack the mass to maintain sufficient kinetic energy once they slow down. For some guns, even the top armor would bounce shells all day.
And since this IS a Tiger II we're talking about we can pretty much rule out HE shells as a possible method for killing it; it would have to detonate literally right next to its underbelly to do much of anything.
Unless the shells are dropping down almost on top of it, a Tiger II is 100% invulnerable to shell fire at 7k. This means one of two things is happening.
The first and most likely answer is that challenge is lying.
The second, and least likely answer is that Challenge is exploiting a bug.
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Keep telling yourself that kid. :aok
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Yes, your ignorance is alarming. Whether you care or not has never interested me. I'm just pointing out how full of horse hockey you are. Plumb full! It has risen to the level never exceeded before, and now it's obvious you don't come into AH for gameplay, but to talk smack and attack people on the BBS. You talk crap and you cannot walk the walk. That is the definition of punk. You personify the word, in fact.
And your use of the animated emoticons makes you look even more foolish.
I offered to prove the 4.4k claim. You did not show up. That says it all.
I'll walk the walk any day of the week, all you gotta do is man up and fight not run like a girl on the odd occasion you drop below 30K.
Punk.
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The second, and least likely answer is that Challenge is exploiting a bug.
Found a possible bug & reported it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,353456.0.html
You asked me before via BBS private messages could he shell bases down from long range?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/vehicles/TANKACE_zps2c7140a7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/vehicles/TANKACE_zps2c7140a7.jpg.html)
I told you he could.
Yet from that date you said many times over on the BBS he could not do it & for him to prove it.
He did.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,352291.0.html
Do you think he would post a comment in the bugs forum for all of HTC staff to see. Then not back it up for the very people that could expel him from the game or ban him from the BBS for posting erroneous nonsense?
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Not worth it lyric. These boys don't really play this game, they just sit on the bbs.
By the way. V103 was dead for three hours tonight. I wonder who did that?
Kills per Death + 1 38.00 1
Kills per Sortie 0.30 478
Kills per Hour of Flight 2.81 454
Kills Hit Percentage 54.29 52
Kill Points 7669.21 20
Damage per Death 2788733.15 1
Damage per Sortie 21786.98 8
Damage Hit Percentage 0.00 1056
Damage Points 2788733.15 1
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We'll assume you're using a the Jagdpanther as a platform (or the King Tiger). Please find the penetration values for that 88mm at 2000 yards. Post it. Then based on film add in what you think the angle of your impact was to the armor in question. Post it.
Now... if the armor is able to shrug it off with either a perpendicular hit or 30 degree hit at 2000 yards, then 4000+ yards should be able to as well. Likewise, at that range the angle of impact can be a huge trump card as well (just like being up close). So... may I suggest you verify your ranges and your angle of impacts, and then send the film to HTC because there is an obvious damage bug. NOTHING in AH, be it the Jagdpanther or the 17 Pdr AT gun on bases should be able to defeat King Tiger or armor at that 4000+ range. At this time, I'll gamble on the Jagdpanther being in the same boat (I'll go look up armor next).
Send the film to HTC, they will look it over. They fixed a bug in the Panther, I'm sure they'll do the same for the King Tiger and Jadgpanther.
It didn't take much research to discover that my approach is the correct one, and that this is most likely not a bug at all. Still, I'm waiting to hear what HTC says.
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Isn't it possible an AP shell landing on a tank from that range is coming down at an angle and hitting the top armour?
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It's possible that could happen, but I believe it would require a healthy elevation advantage. It would be feeding speculation to say anything more.
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Isn't it possible an AP shell landing on a tank from that range is coming down at an angle and hitting the top armour?
Possible. But stop and think of the angle of impact it would have to have. I've seen rounds impact the front of a M18 and deflect off. This is all about angle of impact. If two tanks were 4000 yards apart and they were exchanging fire, I'd be willing to bet that at that range the angle of impact would still be too shallow if it connected with the top of the tank.
Anyone remember that Looshey found a bug in the Tiger in which the M4/75 was able to destroy it with a it to the frontal armor? At no range should the US M4/75mm be able to destroy a Tiger from the front. Upon sending in the film I believe Pyro posted that the damage bug had to do with the round impacting near the intersection of the frontal and top armor but the damage was registering to the top armor. Don't quote me. Regardless, HTC fixed the issue and all is well.
If Mr e-ego himself is in fact destroying the King Tiger and Jagdpanther at obscene and laughable ranges, rest assured it has nothing to do with his gunnery by slipping a round through the eye slit but rather a bug and he is choosing to exploit it. I encourage him to tuck away his fragile e-ego and post it in the bug forums, so the rest of us can test it/confirm it, AND send in the film. Otherwise, I hope he shuts his pie hole. I posted a damage bug regarding the Panther soon after it came out, sent in the film, and BAM! the problem was fixed (an M4/76mm got a kill shot on my Panther from 2800 yards, the round hit the right front track and didn't connect with the hull until about 2/3rd's the way back. Both the range an the angle of impact should have saved the Panther, let alone the distance the round had to travel through the track).
FWIW... been thinking about the JS-2 more and more. I've read up on the the where/when/how and I think I'm warming up to the idea of it being added. However, I still think AH would benefit better, both in the MA's and scenarios, if the Su-100 were to be added first and then maybe another Soviet EW or MW AFV (T70, Su-85, KV1). There were other AFV's with a bigger impact and that were more prominent than the JS-2.
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If Mr e-ego . . .
I posted it to the bugs forum last night when you got your panties in a wad. You really think a lot of yourself you know!
EDIT: What you fail to understand is I am giving you knuckleheads exactly what you deserve. You bring out the best in people with your ignorance and insults.
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Found a possible bug & reported it.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,353456.0.html
You asked me before via BBS private messages could he shell bases down from long range?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/vehicles/TANKACE_zps2c7140a7.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/vehicles/TANKACE_zps2c7140a7.jpg.html)
I told you he could.
Yet from that date you said many times over on the BBS he could not do it & for him to prove it.
He did.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,352291.0.html
Do you think he would post a comment in the bugs forum for all of HTC staff to see. Then not back it up for the very people that could expel him from the game or ban him from the BBS for posting erroneous nonsense?
You were unable to provide details such as rage, if he had LOS on the target, etc. You are his source, and his source didn't know much, so of course I remain skeptical.
Frankly, if you expect me to assume hes telling the truth based on two people's word with no actual evidence, you're an idiot. That I later confirmed he was correct is entirely besides the point, since there was actual proof; I didn't take anyone's unsupported word on the matter.
Besides that, there was no law of physics standing in the way of him doing it, like there is now. Now its simple science; strength of the steel vs energy of the incoming round. The incoming round loses that fight ten times out of ten.
Finally, since he posted in the bugs section AFTER he ran his mouth here, its kind of a tad irrelevant.
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Frankly, if you expect me to assume hes telling the truth based on two people's word with no actual evidence, you're an idiot.
Have not resorted to name calling with you ever.
Please show the same courtesy.
If it is a bug it will be fixed if not you can be sure he will be plugging T2's from long range & you will be on the BBS wondering how he is doing it. As you still are trying to figure out how he can shell a V-base down with out line of sight. Very handy for base capturing when you can just drive in with an M3 knowing everything on base is dead.
2 captures on the late war map so far for me.
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Isn't it possible an AP shell landing on a tank from that range is coming down at an angle and hitting the top armour?
With a modern computer that set barrel elevation, with zero wind and staying absolutely level, and measuring outside temperature you might hit a tanks sized target out 15k out.
If you hit with a high caliber shell you might even penetrate tank armour, but killing is probably less than 30%, disabling it is higher.
Its a complete waste of ammo IRL though.
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. . . Very handy for base capturing when you can just drive in with an M3 knowing everything on base is dead.
2 captures on the late war map so far for me.
That was pretty funny last night. I could post film, but, bleah! . . . jd66 was still scratching his head wondering how an 88mm (his assumption, M4A3-75 in actuality) could kill all hangars and every gun, so quickly.
:aok