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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pervert on December 01, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
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I know a lot of people will recoil in horror at the thought of this but would it really be so bad? So long as you can plug a keyboard mouse and a joystick in, I wouldn't mind paying 350 quid for a ps4 I can play aces high on and a lot of other games, performance wise how would something like this run Aces High and would it be easier for HTC to develop on??
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I can't speak to development costs, but both the PS4 and XBoxOne are fully capable of running AH.
There may be problem costs though. I recall one developer who declined to patch a game breaking bug on the XBox360 because Microsoft would have charged $40,000+ to send out the patch whereas they easily patched the PC version because there was no additional cost to do so. I don't know if Sony does anything like that or if Microsoft has backed off of that stuff to be more indie friendly.
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It wouldn't be easy or inexpensive for HTC to develop AH for the next gen consoles. HTC would first need to modify the existing AH engine for it to work on consoles and even though the latest next gen consoles are closer to PC specs for gaming, HTC would still need to 'dumb' down AH for it to work on consoles. There is also the increased cost for customers, for example since AH is a subscription based game, if you want to play it on the Xbox1, you'd need to pony up for a XBox Live Account on top of your AH subscription.
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It wouldn't be easy or inexpensive for HTC to develop AH for the next gen consoles. HTC would first need to modify the existing AH engine for it to work on consoles and even though the latest next gen consoles are closer to PC specs for gaming, HTC would still need to 'dumb' down AH for it to work on consoles. There is also the increased cost for customers, for example since AH is a subscription based game, if you want to play it on the Xbox1, you'd need to pony up for a XBox Live Account on top of your AH subscription.
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I don't think it would need to be dumbed down actually. PS3 and XBox360, sure, but not on the newest generation. Both of them are significantly more powerful than my PC. Most XBox users have an XBox Live account and Sony doesn't charge for the PS4 equivalent.
The questions I would have would be about the market being worth it. Do enough console users have a keyboard and joystick to make the expense of developing for Unix (the server runs on Unix), Windows, PS4 and XBone worth it? I am skeptical that there would be enough players gained from those systems to make it worth the expense.
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I don't think it would need to be dumbed down actually. PS3 and XBox360, sure, but not on the newest generation. Both of them are significantly more powerful than my PC.
Yes it would. For example, we're currently developing a PS4 version of our latest MMO (FFXIV) and while it's not as dumbed down as the PS3 version we've already released, the PS4 version still had to be dumped down because of the limitations of the console.
Most XBox users have an XBox Live account and Sony doesn't charge for the PS4 equivalent.
IIRC, most of the XBLA accounts on the Xbox 360 are "Silver" account, which are free but limited, compared to the "Gold" account which is subscription. Xbox1 does away with the Silver accounts, so now all XBLA accounts for the Xbox1 are 'Gold' and you have to pay if you want premium online content. Sony does charge for PSN Plus accounts (though not for standard PSN accounts) however, the difference is that Sony allows the developer to decide if a game requires a PSN Plus account or a free standard PSN account, Microsoft doesn't allow a similar option for developers. This was the main reason why we didn't develop FFXIV for Xbox360/Xbox1.
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Yes it would. For example, we're currently developing a PS4 version of our latest MMO (FFXIV) and while it's not as dumbed down as the PS3 version we've already released, the PS4 version still had to be dumped down because of the limitations of the console.
How does it need to be dumbed down? Do you mean to support use of a gamepad instead of mouse and keyboard? I don't think AH would be playable on a gamepad without the keyboard as well. If the keyboard is required for the game then I can't see how it would need to be dumbed down. I can't see how it would be graphically limited when most PCs also run at 1080p nowadays.
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Dear god no!
All we'll see is planes jumping up and down, dodging from side to side while the players all yell "Sword, sword, sword, sword" in high pitched annoying voices.
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Dear god no!
All we'll see is planes jumping up and down, dodging from side to side while the players all yell "Sword, sword, sword, sword" in high pitched annoying voices.
:rolleyes:
I don't know what the heck you're on, but keep it to yourself.
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Never played a game online on the PS3 or Xbox?
Take Halo for example. All the tards in the arena jump up and down from side to side to make it harder to shoot them. They pick up laser swords and run around flooding the team channel chanting "sword sword sword".
So all you see in your scope is a bunch of pansies jumping around and all uncoordinated as they can't talk for the chanting. Bring AH to those consoles and that's the quality of gamer we'll get.
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NO NO NO and NO
the day this happens the day I am 100% gone. XBOX gen has screwed this game up already :bhead
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Never played a game online on the PS3 or Xbox?
Take Halo for example. All the tards in the arena jump up and down from side to side to make it harder to shoot them. They pick up laser swords and run around flooding the team channel chanting "sword sword sword".
So all you see in your scope is a bunch of pansies jumping around and all uncoordinated as they can't talk for the chanting. Bring AH to those consoles and that's the quality of gamer we'll get.
AH doesn't have swords and you cannot jump, dodge sideways or any of the crap you mentioned. The player base would be hard put to become more immature than it already is. You also have to factor in the $14.95/mo fee that weeds out a lot of the guys who behave particularly egregiously.
NO NO NO and NO
the day this happens the day I am 100% gone. XBOX gen has screwed this game up already :bhead
How so? I haven't seen significant behavioral changes from 2000 until now.
No, the reason not to do this would be because it is highly unlikely to repay its development costs.
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AH doesn't have swords and you cannot jump, dodge sideways or any of the crap you mentioned. The player base would be hard put to become more immature than it already is. You also have to factor in the $14.95/mo fee that weeds out a lot of the guys who behave particularly egregiously.
How so? I haven't seen significant behavioral changes from 2000 until now.
where have you been? havent you seen the vtards run past you without even looking at you but instead of yelling "sword, sword, sword", they yell "bomb, bomb, bomb".
semp
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where have you been? havent you seen the vtards run past you without even looking at you but instead of yelling "sword, sword, sword", they yell "bomb, bomb, bomb".
semp
:rofl :rofl
Hmmm.
Two questions.
#1 Would it be possible to have the next gen consoles play on the same servers as we PCs do? (There must be something making it impossible, perhaps different programs?) Just curious.
#2 While the idea is intriguing, and the next gen consoles could handle it. What do you guys think the costs would be for this?
NO NO NO and NO
the day this happens the day I am 100% gone. XBOX gen has screwed this game up already :bhead
Seriously? The actions and immature nature of the players here are already sky high.
Think about it, most who play are adults 18+ (most are seniors). Yet they act like children. You would think that by the time you are near your "elder" years that you would learn patience or tolerance. Even how to type .squelch <name>. It really is amazing to me how the community acts, as a whole, both to outsiders and to each other. Bashing each other over the head with purses, words flying etc. Then the newer generation is introduced and you call them out on the carpet for the same things that you guys do :rofl
I think something that HTC will have to do though, is to expand the limitations of the squelch list. (So if it's say.. 20 now, expand it to 100 or more). I have only used the squelch system once, so I don't need it. But for those who use it, will definitely be thankful.
While bmused was talking about Halo (Which is completely different than Aces high), he does have a point. The maturity level of the xbox/playstation crowd is... low. Not to mention HTC would be exposing their community to the horrors of PS/XBOX community. (I would write a long article on that alone). To keep it short, go search about it on youtube :uhoh
But, perhaps the community doesn't reflect the game entirely. Take Call of Duty for example: Same engine (For what, 4 games now?), similar/same weapons, similar/same storyline.. and the community went from game to game, and yet it still sells well. So perhaps those in that "console community" are used to themselves and it won't effect their gameplay.
It is a unique thought, that I don't believe has been on these boards.. ever. I think we should look at this and not be too hasty.
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I can only guess that the future of online gaming is some version of these TV consoles. I'm not an expert but everything is moving in this direction. Just bought a TV for Christmas, which has wi-fi built in for Facebook, Hulu, Netflix and other online functions. There will always be some version of a desktop though that seems to be the trend. And a large market to chase.
Boo
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I think there would be a problem with a lack of suitable controls as well. A flight stick is not very common for a console, and neither is a keyboard which are very much a large part of AH.
Yes, I am aware there are other ways to play AH, and you could get those two items for consoles..
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I think there would be a problem with a lack of suitable controls as well. A flight stick is not very common for a console, and neither is a keyboard which are very much a large part of AH.
Yes, I am aware there are other ways to play AH, and you could get those two items for consoles..
A friend has an XBox controller that has a small qwerty keyboard between the thumb sticks. I bet one could at least sort of play AH on such a device.
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Some of you need to read more and smoke less :rofl bemused55 and hawkeri I am looking at you :huh
I am talking pretty much about something that has been whined about a lot recently, graphics, and AHs limitions due to a wide range of PCs and operating systems.
If everyone was on the same machine there would be no need to hold back on the graphics front (not that I care about graphics) but it looks like it is gonna happen if I like it or not. Would development be offset by the time spent presently making the game run well with 3 or 4 verisons of windows and the mish mash of different hardware?
Wouldn't it ultimately be a lot easier for HTC to work with one set of high hardware specs to produce a game that runs great and looks great and has millions of potential customers?
Do I really want to have a laptop, PS4 and then build a high performance desktop to play one game? I am sure a lot of guys are the same.
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where have you been? havent you seen the vtards run past you without even looking at you but instead of yelling "sword, sword, sword", they yell "bomb, bomb, bomb".
semp
:rofl
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Some of you need to read more and smoke less :rofl bemused55 and hawkeri I am looking at you :huh
I am talking pretty much about something that has been whined about a lot recently, graphics, and AHs limitions due to a wide range of PCs and operating systems.
If everyone was on the same machine there would be no need to hold back on the graphics front (not that I care about graphics) but it looks like it is gonna happen if I like it or not. Would development be offset by the time spent presently making the game run well with 3 or 4 verisons of windows and the mish mash of different hardware?
Wouldn't it ultimately be a lot easier for HTC to work with one set of high hardware specs to produce a game that runs great and looks great and has millions of potential customers?
Do I really want to have a laptop, PS4 and then build a high performance desktop to play one game? I am sure a lot of guys are the same.
If, and it is a very big if, HTC were to release AH for the PS4 and/or XBone they would certainly not cease support for the PC. Many of (most maybe?) their existing player base don't have a console of any kind and have no intention of getting one.
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I think there would be a problem with a lack of suitable controls as well. A flight stick is not very common for a console, and neither is a keyboard which are very much a large part of AH.
PS controllers already have 2 analog sticks, analog shoulder buttons (for rudder), and motion sensing, analog buttons.. plug in a usb keyboard, you're rockin.
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Hate to be the bad guy here but War Thunder has already beat AH to the idea. They have a ps4 version launching sometime this month. Its got a little bit of hype going for it already and the entire concept is online play. So to spend all the time and money on developing AH for consoles now might be a little tough. If it was going to be the FIRST to release on a console then yeah maybe why not.
As far as paying for 2 accounts, honestly I pay for 2 accounts now I have a 360 now and will be getting a PS4 soon enough (which means no more "Gold" for Xbox) and I will pay the 9-10 bucks a month for the PS Plus account, but I can honestly say that if they had a console version of AH and it was pretty much the same as it is here I would play the console version because its cheaper per month than the $15 now.
The console community is a little immature and obnoxious at times sure, however PART of the reason I think we don't have that many on here is because of the difficulty level of learning this game and the learning curve being so high. They don't have the patience to sit and learn the game and all its technicalities. So if you add a keyboard as a required accessory to the console version and add some difficulty to the console version they might stay away from it a little, but then again that also would mean less sales.
So while I think it would have been a good idea, I think that train already left the station with War Thunder, because I can speak from experience trying to find one, that there doesn't seem to be to much to choose from in that niche in terms of online WW2 multiplayer play on consoles. On another note World of Tanks is developing right now for the Xbox and they have a teaser trailer out already.
I cant really speak in terms of graphics and capabilities between PC and Console cause I am not a Tech guy. All that I do know is that every WW2 flying game on consoles prior to the new PS4 and XB1 have left a lot to be desired xtremely arcade like and "cartoon" like in my opinion. Just no where near the realism and authentic feel that we have here.
Just my thoughts on it
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+1 with cross platform servers so we can teach them the hard way :D
I'm a PC gamer and don't believe that the regular PS4 controller can achieve the same level of precision than a mouse or a stick, but gamers nowadays seem to do pretty good with them :joystick:
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One thing people seem not to realize is the cross platform compatibility. While not so much an issue with the PS4 (Sony doesn't put up any barriers to prevent cross platform compatibility), it is with the Xbox1 as Microsoft doesn't allow cross platform compatibility with Xbox1 online titles. This means, if there is ever a console version of AH, those on the Xbox1 version will only be able to play on the same server, not with those with the PS4 or PC version.
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One thing people seem not to realize is the cross platform compatibility. While not so much an issue with the PS4 (Sony doesn't put up any barriers to prevent cross platform compatibility), it is with the Xbox1 as Microsoft doesn't allow cross platform compatibility with Xbox1 online titles. This means, if there is ever a console version of AH, those on the Xbox1 version will only be able to play on the same server, not with those with the PS4 or PC version.
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btw I was impressed with the cross platform on FFXIV2, good job on that! :aok
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+1 with cross platform servers so we can teach them the hard way :D
I'm a PC gamer and don't believe that the regular PS4 controller can achieve the same level of precision than a mouse or a stick, but gamers nowadays seem to do pretty good with them :joystick:
This is a good idea.. Also there is enough people in the community of the PC and Ps4 that you could get a fund drive going. Kinda like DCS did for there new WWll sim. They raised around a 150000. IF it is cross compadibility it would be easy for me to shell out $500...
Who all is for this????????????
I mean one way to get a lot of nubes. AH turkey shoot.
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This is a good idea.. Also there is enough people in the community of the PC and Ps4 that you could get a fund drive going. Kinda like DCS did for there new WWll sim. They raised around a 150000. IF it is cross compadibility it would be easy for me to shell out $500...
Who all is for this????????????
I mean one way to get a lot of nubes. AH turkey shoot.
why not just get 1000 free players for 10 months. it would still be a turkey shoot.
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I don't think adding the kind of population you would be talking about would be a good thing
for the game. I remember vividly dealing with AOL junior members in AW chat during the early
90s. They would ask a simple question and I would reply. After about 20 seconds I would start
getting vulgar comments mostly illustrating a goldfish-like attention span.
I was confused at first, thinking that the only reason noobs would come to the chat room was
a desire to learn the game. It turns out I was running into a lot of Californian latchkey kids whose
folks used AOL as a cheap babysitter.
The idea of a similar situation in the MA makes me nauseous.
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I don't think adding the kind of population you would be talking about would be a good thing
for the game. I remember vividly dealing with AOL junior members in AW chat during the early
90s. They would ask a simple question and I would reply. After about 20 seconds I would start
getting vulgar comments mostly illustrating a goldfish-like attention span.
I was confused at first, thinking that the only reason noobs would come to the chat room was
a desire to learn the game. It turns out I was running into a lot of Californian latchkey kids whose
folks used AOL as a cheap babysitter.
The idea of a similar situation in the MA makes me nauseous.
There are some ways to remedy that. There is always the report to moderator button.
But seriouly guys, I have to agree that we PC sim pilots are a dying breed.. IF I have to choose from HTC dying out like Warbirds or gettting console gamers in and loosing a few of the old sticks it is a price that i am willing to pay!!! Not that I dont want you guys to stay. Love you here but dont want to see the game die. SO am willing to sacrife you guys if we can get more people.
I mean I don't know were you would go: Warthunder or CoD???????????? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I'm willing to sacrifice a couple old farts on the altar of the long lost furball :)
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:lol
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No, not unless HTC really tightens up on the rules of what will and will not be added. Unless, of course, you're not seeking more community members, and rather are just looking for the cannon fodder the average gamer will be for a VERY long time.
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No, not unless HTC really tightens up on the rules of what will and will not be added.
Why would HiTech have to "tighten up on the rules" in order to port the game to consoles?
From what I've read in this thread, most don't really know what the development costs to port this game to either console would entail and porting to console won't guarantee new players or increased revenue for HTC.
It's like the suggestion to put AH on Steam. Sure, you might get more new players but HTC will lose money on each subscription that it's probably not worth it for them.
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Why would HiTech have to "tighten up on the rules" in order to port the game to consoles?
From what I've read in this thread, most don't really know what the development costs to port this game to either console would entail and porting to console won't guarantee new players or increased revenue for HTC.
It's like the suggestion to put AH on Steam. Sure, you might get more new players but HTC will lose money on each subscription that it's probably not worth it for them.
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From what I've seen, most of the xbox and PS community care very little for anything but getting the biggest, bestest, newest thing. That means we would see a lot more requests for postwar/non-combat aircraft like the DO 335, Ju 390, the B-36, F7F and F8F, the Centurion, Maus, T28.
We'd see more requests for Korean War arena, and modern things, like the F-22, Su-37, Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, etc. T-90's and M1's, and Leopard 2's.....
A path I think many of us would like to avoid.
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Hate to be the bad guy here but War Thunder has already beat AH to the idea. They have a ps4 version launching sometime this month. Its got a little bit of hype going for it already and the entire concept is online play. So to spend all the time and money on developing AH for consoles now might be a little tough. If it was going to be the FIRST to release on a console then yeah maybe why not.
As far as paying for 2 accounts, honestly I pay for 2 accounts now I have a 360 now and will be getting a PS4 soon enough (which means no more "Gold" for Xbox) and I will pay the 9-10 bucks a month for the PS Plus account, but I can honestly say that if they had a console version of AH and it was pretty much the same as it is here I would play the console version because its cheaper per month than the $15 now.
The console community is a little immature and obnoxious at times sure, however PART of the reason I think we don't have that many on here is because of the difficulty level of learning this game and the learning curve being so high. And lets keep it that way, problem now days people don't want to learn anythingThey don't have the patience to sit and learn the game and all its technicalities. So if you add a keyboard as a required accessory to the console version and add some difficulty to the console version they might stay away from it a little, but then again that also would mean less sales.
So while I think it would have been a good idea, I think that train already left the station with War Thunder, because I can speak from experience trying to find one, that there doesn't seem to be to much to choose from in that niche in terms of online WW2 multiplayer play on consoles. On another note World of Tanks is developing right now for the Xbox and they have a teaser trailer out already.
I cant really speak in terms of graphics and capabilities between PC and Console cause I am not a Tech guy. All that I do know is that every WW2 flying game on consoles prior to the new PS4 and XB1 have left a lot to be desired xtremely arcade like and "cartoon" like in my opinion. Just no where near the realism and authentic feel that we have here.
Just my thoughts on it
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From what I've seen, most of the xbox and PS community care very little for anything but getting the biggest, bestest, newest thing. That means we would see a lot more requests for postwar/non-combat aircraft like the DO 335, Ju 390, the B-36, F7F and F8F, the Centurion, Maus, T28.
We'd see more requests for Korean War arena, and modern things, like the F-22, Su-37, Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, etc. T-90's and M1's, and Leopard 2's.....
A path I think many of us would like to avoid.
It's funny how you always put the tripe you post down as some sort of fact.
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From what I've seen, most of the xbox and PS community care very little for anything but getting the biggest, bestest, newest thing. That means we would see a lot more requests for postwar/non-combat aircraft like the DO 335, Ju 390, the B-36, F7F and F8F, the Centurion, Maus, T28.
We'd see more requests for Korean War arena, and modern things, like the F-22, Su-37, Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, etc. T-90's and M1's, and Leopard 2's.....
Would love to see your intel on the Xbox and PS communities. :lol
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Would love to see your intel on the Xbox and PS communities. :lol
Years of listening to b***ching on HALO, Call of Duty, and other assorted multiplayers.
As I said, it was just my impression. Don't get your balls in a knot.
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I would love to see it, as I have a PS4 now. I'm a very big fan of AH but I'm primarily a {mature} console player. I wish I had a good computer to run it still, my home computer's performance has deteriorated significantly since I was last able to play. I really miss it, even though I was never really good at it. I love the challenge of the learning curve. I love the way AH plays out with the three factions all on the same map and it takes true team work to take bases and win the war. No other game {that I've heard of atleast} has that gameplay element and I think thats something to have going up against a game like War Thunder, on PS4 anyway, if HTC even does it. I sure would love to be back in the skys of Aces High. <S>
P.S. Rooks for the win.. =^.^=
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Horrible idea. Half the Golly-geened players would be lagging and warping and there would be so many little kids. Hi-tech says he wants the game to stay as a community and not a mass population.