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Title: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 20, 2013, 03:33:43 PM
you ask for "quality fights" and i feel for you as you find none  :rofl :rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPR108kwNo4

grow a pair and be with the horde or fight against the horde but please stop whining that there isnt any fights.



semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: LCADolby on December 20, 2013, 03:38:23 PM
grow a pair and be with the horde



semp

Well done semp.  :rolleyes:

The true fighters of AH are either logging in less or have completely left.
Suggesting that any true fighter will be satisfied tooling around with 20 lemmings is probably not the best advise I've ever read.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2013, 03:43:50 PM
Well done semp.  :rolleyes:

The true fighters of AH are either logging in less or have completely left.
Suggesting that any true fighter will be satisfied tooling around with 20 lemmings is probably not the best advise I've ever read.


We all know semp on sight...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/maddogjoe_photos/media/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg.html)

well maybe not his face, but the rest of him sticks out around here.  :devil

I don't think semp would know a fight if it punched him in the nose.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 20, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Well done semp.  :rolleyes:

The true fighters of AH are either logging in less or have completely left.
Suggesting that any true fighter will be satisfied tooling around with 20 lemmings is probably not the best advise I've ever read.


hence the second part of my sentence which is fight against it.  then again it's the stop whining that really bothers you.


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 20, 2013, 04:32:14 PM
We all know semp on sight...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/maddogjoe_photos/media/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg.html)

well maybe not his face, but the rest of him sticks out around here.  :devil

I don't think semp would know a fight if it punched him in the nose.

(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/fugitive_zps6133e684.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/fugitive_zps6133e684.png.html)

I dont think you would know how to have fun even if you had hand cream


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: SoonerMP on December 20, 2013, 04:58:37 PM
This ^

 :lol
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 20, 2013, 05:02:45 PM
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/fugitive_zps6133e684.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/fugitive_zps6133e684.png.html)

I dont think you would know how to have fun even if you had hand cream


semp

I don't care who you are.....bu that right there......... that was funny :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 20, 2013, 05:14:07 PM
Well done semp.  :rolleyes:

The true fighters of AH are either logging in less or have completely left.
Suggesting that any true fighter will be satisfied tooling around with 20 lemmings is probably not the best advise I've ever read.


Speaking as someone who considers himself an average dogfighter (but still probably better at it then about 50% of the active pilots) I have to agree with Dolby on this one.  My family drama and work related travel aside, I've not felt all that compelled to login because it's gotten a bit stale in the MA of late.   I'm hopeful it will pick up soon.

On the other hand, the in-game egos were also a contributing factor to my taking a break  I was a bit tired of the whines from those who want every fight in a local furball to be some kind of ritualistic duel i.e. Achilles and Hector at the Gates of Troy.  That is one game negative, however, I can personally fix (e.g. Not monitoring ch200 for the time being, auto squelch whining PMs, etc etc etc).

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 20, 2013, 05:15:45 PM
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/fugitive_zps6133e684.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/fugitive_zps6133e684.png.html)

I dont think you would know how to have fun even if you had hand cream


semp

Gotta give The Sempster a +1 on that one.   :D
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Tinkles on December 20, 2013, 05:54:21 PM
Speaking as someone who considers himself an average dogfighter (but still probably better at it then about 50% of the active pilots) I have to agree with Dolby on this one.  My family drama and work related travel aside, I've not felt all that compelled to login because it's gotten a bit stale in the MA of late.   I'm hopeful it will pick up soon.

On the other hand, the in-game egos were also a contributing factor to my taking a break  I was a bit tired of the whines from those who want every fight in a local furball to be some kind of ritualistic duel i.e. Achilles and Hector at the Gates of Troy.  That is one game negative, however, I can personally fix (e.g. Not monitoring ch200 for the time being, auto squelch whining PMs, etc etc etc).



I long for the day when I will be able to actively participate in these furballs.

4 months   :banana:
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Lazerr on December 20, 2013, 06:01:10 PM
semp you need to be able to describe what us vets call a fight.  I dont think you understand.

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 20, 2013, 06:08:37 PM
semp you need to be able to describe what us vets call a fight.  I dont think you understand.



you are right I dont understand what you old timers call fun.  please explain it to me and try not to include the "look hitech, he wont let me have fun" statement.



semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2013, 06:15:36 PM
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/fugitive_zps6133e684.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/fugitive_zps6133e684.png.html)

I dont think you would know how to have fun even if you had hand cream


semp

I have fun everytime I play. It's just getting harder and harder to find it.

Speaking as someone who considers himself an average dogfighter (but still probably better at it then about 50% of the active pilots) I have to agree with Dolby on this one.  My family drama and work related travel aside, I've not felt all that compelled to login because it's gotten a bit stale in the MA of late.   I'm hopeful it will pick up soon.

On the other hand, the in-game egos were also a contributing factor to my taking a break  I was a bit tired of the whines from those who want every fight in a local furball to be some kind of ritualistic duel i.e. Achilles and Hector at the Gates of Troy.  That is one game negative, however, I can personally fix (e.g. Not monitoring ch200 for the time being, auto squelch whining PMs, etc etc etc).



You are far from average. I'm sure Lusche would be able to place you, but I'm sure your in the top 20% easy. SO why was game play stale? Was it you were tired of dodging HO's? Or maybe fighting 5 guys at once ALL the time was getting and getting shot down all the time was weighing on you? Maybe the lack or any real missions with planning other than everyone grab a heavy fighter and fly NOE to such and such a base?

semp you need to be able to describe what us vets call a fight.  I dont think you understand.



If he were to describe it it would be be something about like, "You get 5 or 6 of your buddies and join a mission. Have a few beers while on climb out and then lawndart or circle a field with your ord waiting for something to come up so you can bomb it"

you are right I dont understand what you old timers call fun.  please explain it to me and try not to include the "look hitech, he wont let me have fun" statement.



semp

Again avoiding the question. He didn't ask anything about fun, he asked what you the vets think are fights.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Lazerr on December 20, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
Semp i can explain it in two words.. air combat.  not dogpiling 10 guys with 40.  I cannot type much more on this cell phone.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 20, 2013, 06:40:42 PM

You are far from average. I'm sure Lusche would be able to place you, but I'm sure your in the top 20% easy. SO why was game play stale? Was it you were tired of dodging HO's? Or maybe fighting 5 guys at once ALL the time was getting and getting shot down all the time was weighing on you? Maybe the lack or any real missions with planning other than everyone grab a heavy fighter and fly NOE to such and such a
I will respond as best I can:

1. I appreciate your kind words concerning my abilities.  Ok..maybe average is not the right label, but I'm not one of the elite by any stretch of the imagination.  

2. HOs happen.  I do tend to Look at a HO attempt as an opportunity for a reversal and a kill so no, not that.  I don't end up fighting 5 on 1 normally because I maintain good SA and (usually) see when the fight is getting to a point where I need to egress.  The hoarding is getting a bit old, but that wasn't it as well...it really was a combination of that and then endless parade of primadonna whining and poor sportsmanship / behavior that sent me over the edge.  I knew I needed a break so I did.  

I do agree with what I believe you've implied concerning these conditions slowly eroding away the player base.

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: The Fugitive on December 20, 2013, 08:33:16 PM
I will respond as best I can:

1. I appreciate your kind words concerning my abilities.  Ok..maybe average is not the right label, but I'm not one of the elite by any stretch of the imagination.

I never said anything about "elite"  :neener: 

Quote
2. HOs happen.  I do tend to Look at a HO attempt as an opportunity for a reversal and a kill so no, not that.  I don't end up fighting 5 on 1 normally because I maintain good SA and (usually) see when the fight is getting to a point where I need to egress.  The hoarding is getting a bit old, but that wasn't it as well...it really was a combination of that and then endless parade of primadonna whining and poor sportsmanship / behavior that sent me over the edge.  I knew I needed a break so I did.  

I do agree with what I believe you've implied concerning these conditions slowly eroding away the player base.



OK lets remove the "tags", you were getting tired of the same old lame things you see almost every flight, whether it was game play, or game players. Agreed?

It's the plague that has infested the game. Poor game play and poor game players allowed to run away with the game. 
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: captain1ma on December 20, 2013, 08:45:08 PM
try this, take off fly into red guys, dont worry about points. toss them out the window. just play! if you die, salute the guy that killed you, get another plane and go try to kill him again. dont stop til you finally kill him. after you do kill him, try to land plane. if that dont work, find the biggest horde on the map, call them sissy's and you'll meet them at base XXX and prove it to them. that should take care of any lack of fights!! happy holidays!

captain1ma AKA jaeger1
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: mthrockmor on December 20, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
I'm guilty and I'll settle down.

boo
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Mongoose on December 20, 2013, 09:38:53 PM
 People keep complaining about the lack of fights.  I don't see it.  Of course, I haven't been on in a week or so.  Schedule has been too busy.  But the last time I was on, there was a massive furball.  It was a lot of fun.  I can't always find a good fight.  But I can usually find some trouble to get into.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 20, 2013, 09:46:27 PM
I watched 2 different players auger into the ground after dropping bombs on the field...a P47 and a 190....

I had 4 guys run to ack....many planes just hit the deck and run when its just me...and only when they have friends do they turn and engage.....

the game play is straight up pathetic now  a days.....

there are still players in it for the combat, but they are the minority and dwindling fast.

I believe the whole "war" and taking bases has become the main focus of the majority of players, and their fight is a completely different fight than I want or reason to even play the game.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 20, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
I never said anything about "elite"  :neener:  

Hey...I'm not chopped liver tho'! :huh

And yes..labels aside....the chest thumping and hordes-r-us style was getting on my nerves a bit.  I'm over it now.  :D
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Brooke on December 21, 2013, 02:23:09 AM
There are lots of great fights at prime times, but it gets hard to find fights after about 3 am Eastern (midnight Pacific, 8 am London time).  I wish for maps whose active areas get smaller when there are less people on, or smaller maps when number of players goes below some number, or something like that.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: 68ZooM on December 21, 2013, 03:37:42 PM
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr285/semperac/fugitive_zps6133e684.png) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/semperac/media/fugitive_zps6133e684.png.html)

I dont think you would know how to have fun even if you had hand cream


semp

Lol like Ink said that's just funny right there lol ...... Fugi your just such a negative Nancy anymore, seriously.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: The Fugitive on December 21, 2013, 06:20:47 PM
Lol like Ink said that's just funny right there lol ...... Fugi your just such a negative Nancy anymore, seriously.

They said the same thing when I kept posting that the NOE's were getting out of hand.... I guess I was wrong then too.

Just for giggles I checked my score for captures with a goon for the last 5 years. I almost never have captures let alone in a goon as I spend most of my time defending. On top of that ranking doesn't show you how many "ties" for that spot are, but just for the sake of argument lets say they average out about the same. All are for December late war.

2013 - rank 1986
2012 - rank 2927
2011 - rank 3234
2010 - rank 3717
2009 - rank 4700
2008 - rank 5149

if it continues as it is next December I'll be ranked in the top 1000 in capture with a goon WITHOUT EVER FLYING A GOON!

I guess nothing is wrong this time either  :aok
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Iraqvet on December 21, 2013, 06:21:46 PM
Lol like Ink said that's just funny right there lol ...... Fugi your just such a negative Nancy anymore, seriously.
It's much easier for Fugi to complain instead of realize that only person in charge of how much fun game is or is not going to be for him ....is himself. Since day one........ :old:  :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: The Fugitive on December 21, 2013, 06:23:27 PM
It's much easier for Fugi to complain instead of realize that only person in charge of how much fun game is or is not going to be for him ....is himself. Since day one........ :old:  :rofl :rofl

AGAIN! for those hard of READING!!! I have fun every time I play. If I didn't I wouldn't still be sending HTC my money.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Iraqvet on December 21, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
People keep complaining about the lack of fights.  I don't see it.  Of course, I haven't been on in a week or so.  Schedule has been too busy.  But the last time I was on, there was a massive furball.  It was a lot of fun.  I can't always find a good fight.  But I can usually find some trouble to get into.
cc Mongoose 

Bottom line is game is what you make of it. Some make it to be all negative then that is what it will be. Same holds to be truth for the positive aspects of game.

Fights can ALWAYS be found. At any given time there is any given amount of things going on...ie Mission attacking a base, a furball, a gv ground attack, a CV shelling or launching an Air Assualt on a base, High Alt Bombing of Strats....etc. That is one of the great aspects of MA....1000 things going on at one time. A person is able to CHOOSE to partake in any of these things that are taking place.

I will also add that if ANY of these things are not taking place....you can make any one of them happen. You can pick/start a fight via GV.....on a town/base that will bring 15-20 of enemy to counter you. You can attack a base via CV, and fight the enemy that come to attack and sink your CV. You can fight in a furball for hours on end if that is your thing...if you die...get right back in it. You can hammer strats and kill enemy that comes to counter you at 30K.

The point is the options are endless for fights. It's all about perception.


Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Debrody on December 21, 2013, 07:09:56 PM
hypocrits.
<sigh>
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: cattb on December 21, 2013, 08:04:32 PM
I watched 2 different players auger into the ground after dropping bombs on the field...a P47 and a 190....

I had 4 guys run to ack....many planes just hit the deck and run when its just me...and only when they have friends do they turn and engage.....

the game play is straight up pathetic now  a days.....

there are still players in it for the combat, but they are the minority and dwindling fast.

I believe the whole "war" and taking bases has become the main focus of the majority of players, and their fight is a completely different fight than I want or reason to even play the game.


the last time I logged on knights ( I take the lower number side) 3 dar bar of bish on one side and 2 and a half dar bar on the rook side. Seems to be be win da war.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Butcher on December 22, 2013, 12:38:20 AM
I recently tried to come back to AH, I spent better part of my saturday just looking for a fight. After 6 or so kills in over an hour period I decided to give up.

I may give it one or two more sorties to find some interest, but honestly I just posted for a PBEM game two weeks ago for Bombing the reich, I can see myself getting far more involved and having fun planning bombing missions across europe then watching two hordes play while I sit in a tower unable to move for 11 hours and do nothing.

Here's my overall map, so far he's really not wanting to meet my bombers, he's pulled the FW-190 squadrons to the rear and only use them if I attempt to penetrate past cologne. With 12 squadrons of P-47D11's and the 56th Squadron at the lead, I hope to make a dent in his little luftwobble soon :)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/gtr.jpg)
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2013, 12:25:25 PM
6 kills an hour doesn't sound bad.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Nath[BDP] on December 22, 2013, 12:47:04 PM


 but honestly I just posted for a PBEM game two weeks ago for Bombing the reich, I can see myself getting far more involved and having fun planning bombing missions across europe then watching two hordes play while I sit in a tower unable to move for 11 hours and do nothing.

Here's my overall map, so far he's really not wanting to meet my bombers, he's pulled the FW-190 squadrons to the rear and only use them if I attempt to penetrate past cologne. With 12 squadrons of P-47D11's and the 56th Squadron at the lead, I hope to make a dent in his little luftwobble soon :)

(http://www.vitacost.com/Images/Products/1000/ZzzQuil/ZzzQuil-Nighttime-Sleep-Aid-LiquiCaps-323900013995.jpg)
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 22, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
I recently tried to come back to AH, I spent better part of my saturday just looking for a fight. After 6 or so kills in over an hour period I decided to give up.

I may give it one or two more sorties to find some interest, but honestly I just posted for a PBEM game two weeks ago for Bombing the reich, I can see myself getting far more involved and having fun planning bombing missions across europe then watching two hordes play while I sit in a tower unable to move for 11 hours and do nothing.

Here's my overall map, so far he's really not wanting to meet my bombers, he's pulled the FW-190 squadrons to the rear and only use them if I attempt to penetrate past cologne. With 12 squadrons of P-47D11's and the 56th Squadron at the lead, I hope to make a dent in his little luftwobble soon :)
(http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/Misconduc/gtr.jpg)

so you complain about the lacks of fights in aces high and go play a game where there's no fights.


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: bustr on December 22, 2013, 07:08:42 PM
INK,

Fly a spit1 or a hurri1. Everyone knows you changed your name but still fly your Ki84. Changing your name again won't change how your signature use of the Ki84 gives you away. Those you are describing will never play this game to be slaughtered by you once they realize it's you or another accomplished vet slaughtering them.

I get run from now if I show up in a spit8 or spit14 by those not looking to be slaughtered that run from you. The only players who don't run these days give me the willies too. But, if I ran I'd never hear the end of it. I get slaughtered a lot late nights. Just ask AMAX. He has to listen to me.......

You are a victim of your own success. All Hail INK........... :joystick:
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: kvuo75 on December 22, 2013, 07:15:14 PM
2009 - rank 4700
2008 - rank 5149


what happened in 2009 to make the numbers drop?


Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 22, 2013, 07:42:50 PM

what happened in 2009 to make the numbers drop?




it was the economy stupid (old political saying :)).  about 10 really close friends quit because they lost their jobs. 


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Lusche on December 22, 2013, 07:56:45 PM
Just for giggles I checked my score for captures with a goon for the last 5 years. I almost never have captures let alone in a goon as I spend most of my time defending.


(...)

if it continues as it is next December I'll be ranked in the top 1000 in capture with a goon WITHOUT EVER FLYING A GOON!

Part reason for that is that a smaller players have any base captures in a goon at all, because capturing bases has become a lot harder (and thus rarer, not only absolutely as well as relatively).

If you are not looking for the absolute number of players (doesn't work anyway ;)) but just want to see an overall tendency, check the rank # for "base captures in attack mode" of any random player in a given tour, as nobody has any.

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 22, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
INK,

Fly a spit1 or a hurri1. Everyone knows you changed your name but still fly your Ki84. Changing your name again won't change how your signature use of the Ki84 gives you away. Those you are describing will never play this game to be slaughtered by you once they realize it's you or another accomplished vet slaughtering them.

I get run from now if I show up in a spit8 or spit14 by those not looking to be slaughtered that run from you. The only players who don't run these days give me the willies too. But, if I ran I'd never hear the end of it. I get slaughtered a lot late nights. Just ask AMAX. He has to listen to me.......

You are a victim of your own success. All Hail INK........... :joystick:

changed my name again..... :O

sorry to disappoint you but I have been jetsom ingame for quite awhile now....its been a good year plus.....

get with the times bud :rolleyes:
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ddotS on December 22, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
I miss the old days too.  :D - Stodd
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: GhostCDB on December 22, 2013, 10:29:59 PM
women  :cheers:
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 23, 2013, 03:14:38 AM

what happened in 2009 to make the numbers drop?




In 2009 IIRC HTC had the horrible split arena system which killed servers regularly and forced people to log in to two smaller arenas instead, locking out squadmates regularly. I remember just logging off imost days when that happened. Probably put a sizeable dent in the user base. Then after a while players disappeared and the off-peak numbers became peak numbers so the arena split had done its job and could be removed  :x
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: kvuo75 on December 23, 2013, 03:21:46 AM
it was the economy stupid (old political saying :)).  about 10 really close friends quit because they lost their jobs. 


semp

2011 - rank 3234
2010 - rank 3717


what happened in 2011?

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 23, 2013, 03:31:37 AM
They said the same thing when I kept posting that the NOE's were getting out of hand.... I guess I was wrong then too.

Just for giggles I checked my score for captures with a goon for the last 5 years. I almost never have captures let alone in a goon as I spend most of my time defending. On top of that ranking doesn't show you how many "ties" for that spot are, but just for the sake of argument lets say they average out about the same. All are for December late war.

2013 - rank 1986
2012 - rank 2927
2011 - rank 3234
2010 - rank 3717
2009 - rank 4700
2008 - rank 5149

if it continues as it is next December I'll be ranked in the top 1000 in capture with a goon WITHOUT EVER FLYING A GOON!

I guess nothing is wrong this time either  :aok


Seeing those numbers I start to feel bad I didnt renew my CC to my subscription. Even though I have no time for AH I would hate to see the game disappear.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: kvuo75 on December 23, 2013, 04:19:01 AM
what we need is more gloom and doom.  predicting the failure of the game is 100% always correct.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 23, 2013, 07:31:25 AM
what we need is more gloom and doom.  predicting the failure of the game is 100% always correct.


(http://playeressence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Doom-and-gloom.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 23, 2013, 07:00:04 PM

what happened in 2011?



just a wild guess but since he's quoting his ranking and not the total number of players perhaps not many players took goons to a town?  I cant even remember the last time I took a goon to town.  and since the ranking is in december when a lot of players are busy with xmas season...



semp

edit: just to give some reference  my rank bomber/capture category was 3234  while in attack it was 2624  both without actually capturing any bases.  while gv's capture was 3297.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Changeup on December 23, 2013, 09:42:40 PM
This is dumb.  Here's the story, like it or not:

1.  Defending a horded base is fun if you have a chance to repel the horde.  When you don't have a chance to repel the horde, people don't want to give the Nancy's the satisfaction of the kill;
2.  A good fight = a somewhat equal number fight where each individual fight, or the equal furball comes to its natural conclusion uninterrupted
3.  People hate being shot down without much of a fight so they quit upping
4.  Numbers heavy sides tend to roll this way (yes I have flown with them as had anyone that has played this game)
5.  The FIGHTERS in this game look for red dar bars that are twice the size of the green dar bar.
6.  People forget.  If you want a fight, up a plane by yourself or with a buddy and go into a dar circle and ANNOUNCE IT.  You'll get all the action you want.  If you don't believe that, here's a list of people to seek out for help, proof and instruction:  Dodger, SERaider, LilMak, INK, bunnies, me, actually any Muppet, any Blue Knight.  

If you CHOOSE not to do #6, then you don't get to claim there are no fights.  There are plenty of fights.  Go start one.

Now, everyone shut up and go pick a fight! lol
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 23, 2013, 09:55:11 PM
This is dumb.  Here's the story, like it or not:

1.  Defending a horded base is fun if you have a chance to repel the horde.  When you don't have a chance to repel the horde, people don't want to give the Nancy's the satisfaction of the kill;
2.  A good fight = a somewhat equal number fight where each individual fight, or the equal furball comes to its natural conclusion uninterrupted
3.  People hate being shot down without much of a fight so they quit upping
4.  Numbers heavy sides tend to roll this way (yes I have flown with them as had anyone that has played this game)
5.  The FIGHTERS in this game look for red dar bars that are twice the size of the green dar bar.
6.  People forget.  If you want a fight, up a plane by yourself or with a buddy and go into a dar circle and ANNOUNCE IT.  You'll get all the action you want.  If you don't believe that, here's a list of people to seek out for help, proof and instruction:  Dodger, SERaider, LilMak, INK, bunnies, me, actually any Muppet, any Blue Knight.  

If you CHOOSE not to do #6, then you don't get to claim there are no fights.  There are plenty of fights.  Go start one.

Now, everyone shut up and go pick a fight! lol

there it is.


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: LCADolby on December 24, 2013, 11:50:49 AM
So those chaps mentioned in #6 better get onto AcesHigh 24hours a day, because I am yet to see them cover Euro zone
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: killnu on December 24, 2013, 01:29:23 PM
Ive seen you on plenty Dolby.   I am on Hawaii time zone though....
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: TheBug on December 24, 2013, 04:14:15 PM
 I am on Hawaii time zone though....

And for that you should be flogged....
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: icepac on December 24, 2013, 07:58:00 PM
The players limit themselves by performing the same stale mission profiles in the face of changing game dynamics.

If you don't adapt to said changes, your gaming experience will become boring.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Brooke on December 25, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
So those chaps mentioned in #6 better get onto AcesHigh 24hours a day, because I am yet to see them cover Euro zone

Yes -- all that talk is from folks who don't fly Euro times or after about 3 am Eastern US time.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Changeup on December 26, 2013, 06:53:04 PM
Yes -- all that talk is from folks who don't fly Euro times or after about 3 am Eastern US time.

True but the issues are mutually exclusive:

1.  Not enough people playing on Euro time to actually START a fight
2.  US time zones provide easy fight starting

Solve the subscription issue and you shall have your fights if you follow #6
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Brooke on December 26, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
Solve the subscription issue and you shall have your fights if you follow #6

Fly during prime time, and you don't need #6 -- or anything else as there are plenty of people and plenty of good fights.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Changeup on December 26, 2013, 07:03:16 PM
Fly during prime time, and you don't need #6 -- or anything else as there are plenty of people and plenty of good fights.

I was addressing the prime time players that say there are no fights.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: bustr on December 26, 2013, 08:17:01 PM
There are always fights.

I remember fondly a statement made to me for why someone wouldn't help me locked in a narrow canyon in a spti8 against 2 Ki43. It sums up the nature of all complaints about the lack of fights and the vast array of reasons not to become involved with the opportunities at hand.

"The terrain and strategic limitations did not suit the fight I wanted to engage in with my ride."

I died and he landed 6 kills. Guess he knew something about covering his own kester.

Most vets are not looking for a fight because they know themselves, and how to win their way, along with the limitations to their way very, very well. It's about 5% of vets who don't care who they are avoiding, while hunting the newbies who don't have a clue at any given time.

It's human nature in a game with no rules, and you don't face a courts martial for leaving your countrymen to die.

Changeup, add in AMAX for late nights after you goto bed. He won't even ask for help when it's less than six on one.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Scca on December 27, 2013, 08:04:40 AM
Speaking as someone who considers himself an average dogfighter (but still probably better at it then about 50% of the active pilots) I have to agree with Dolby on this one.  My family drama and work related travel aside, I've not felt all that compelled to login because it's gotten a bit stale in the MA of late.   I'm hopeful it will pick up soon.

On the other hand, the in-game egos were also a contributing factor to my taking a break  I was a bit tired of the whines from those who want every fight in a local furball to be some kind of ritualistic duel i.e. Achilles and Hector at the Gates of Troy.  That is one game negative, however, I can personally fix (e.g. Not monitoring ch200 for the time being, auto squelch whining PMs, etc etc etc).


Fulcrum, one thing you seem to be forgetting. C200 whines, and nasty PM's are evidence you are doing it right. No one whines at people they shot down.

This is an ego centric game. If you decide to come back, detune 200 if it gets to you. I personally enjoy it most of the time. It's a great laugh if you can overlook the babies.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: puller on December 27, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
How can some of you say you cant find a fight?  That just boggles my mind...I'm pretty sure someone already said it but its the fact that some of you aren't finding a way to fight your way (probably picking a furball)  Anytime I'm on I never find a lack of fights...I find good 1 vs 1 fights all the time...and I get horded quite a bit too.  I find it very fun fighting the horde and defending bases from air or ground attack...matter of fact I see people on 200 or country saying constantly they are getting good fights...so what am I missing here?  Are the few of you who can't find a fight not trying??? or do you have nothing better to do while your not playing the game....If its a 1 vs 1 fight you want hit me up...I see all of you every time I'm on at some point...So if that's what you want I'm game  :salute But this "I can't find a good fight" business has got to go  :bhead
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 27, 2013, 04:35:37 PM
How can some of you say you cant find a fight?  That just boggles my mind...I'm pretty sure someone already said it but its the fact that some of you aren't finding a way to fight your way (probably picking a furball)  Anytime I'm on I never find a lack of fights...I find good 1 vs 1 fights all the time...and I get horded quite a bit too.  I find it very fun fighting the horde and defending bases from air or ground attack...matter of fact I see people on 200 or country saying constantly they are getting good fights...so what am I missing here?  Are the few of you who can't find a fight not trying??? or do you have nothing better to do while your not playing the game....If its a 1 vs 1 fight you want hit me up...I see all of you every time I'm on at some point...So if that's what you want I'm game  :salute But this "I can't find a good fight" business has got to go  :bhead

sorry but it is fact.....many players will only engage when they have no chance of losing....

when 5 cons hit the deck and run to ack because a lone Ki84 appears.....something is wrong with the player base.

when 15 guys think that it is cool to attack 1 lone con...or would rather sit over a field and vulch...something is wrong with the player base......

when players would rather sit behind an enemy hanger and shoot the tanks as they spawn....something is wrong with the player base.....

when players would rather attack a field with 40-50 guys...NOE so they cant be seen......or call cheat when someone happens to find them....something is wrong with the players base.....


but in reality it is not the "player base" so much it is the way this country is and how people are in general now a days....

now a days you go to a "game" you get a trophy just for showing up....or you get rewards just for taking off...... :rolleyes:

the game play has been steadily going down hill.... I have been here since tour 52....if some say it hasn't..... then they need to get out of the green hord and see for themselves.(because yes there have always been hoards)
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Scca on December 27, 2013, 05:01:44 PM
Ink, I posted something similar to this a few weeks ago and you should have seen the haterid.

The answer is, it's the xbox generation.    :salute
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: pervert on December 27, 2013, 06:08:10 PM
you ask for "quality fights" and i feel for you as you find none  :rofl :rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPR108kwNo4

grow a pair and be with the horde or fight against the horde but please stop whining that there isnt any fights.



semp

A substantial group of the quality A2A guys has left the game over the last few years, whats left isn't really up to it, nor will it ever be. There is fights yes but the quality of them is rubbish by and large. I don't know why they have left but they have and it has a knock on effect on the A2A guys remaining. There does seem to be a swing to the GV side of things atm but I think thats more to do with A2A players leaving, and what remains is highlighted.

I have found myself thinking recently that the game at the minute is a waste of time, which is a real shame, its not burnout I still get what I want from the game but it just takes a lot longer to get it these days.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Molsman on December 27, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
That lone Ki84 scares me  :devil
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 27, 2013, 08:18:26 PM
A substantial group of the quality A2A guys has left the game over the last few years, whats left isn't really up to it, nor will it ever be. There is fights yes but the quality of them is rubbish by and large. I don't know why they have left but they have and it has a knock on effect on the A2A guys remaining. There does seem to be a swing to the GV side of things atm but I think thats more to do with A2A players leaving, and what remains is highlighted.

I have found myself thinking recently that the game at the minute is a waste of time, which is a real shame, its not burnout I still get what I want from the game but it just takes a lot longer to get it these days.

...where have all the cowboys gone....



semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 27, 2013, 09:42:50 PM
That lone Ki84 scares me  :devil

 :rofl

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Shifty on December 27, 2013, 10:11:43 PM
Nobody actually kills anyone in a fight.
Nobody actually conquers anyone in the war.
Both sides of the issue are full of make believe heroics.
It's a game, always has been, always will be.
Everyone should just shadup and play the damn game.
Thank you. :D
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: TheBug on December 27, 2013, 10:29:36 PM
Shut-up Shifty.



 :)
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Oldman731 on December 27, 2013, 10:33:06 PM
Nobody actually kills anyone in a fight.
Nobody actually conquers anyone in the war.
Both sides of the issue are full of make believe heroics.
It's a game, always has been, always will be.
Everyone should just shadup and play the damn game.
Thank you.


Heh.  We pause to enjoy a practice-what-you-preach moment!

On the other hand....advancing age does have a calming influence.

I hate that I know that.

- oldman
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Molsman on December 28, 2013, 12:25:26 AM
:rofl



sorry ink lol had to say that
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Latrobe on December 28, 2013, 12:38:37 AM
That lone Ki84 scares me  :devil

That lone Ki84 excites me! But that group of 5 Spitfires excites me more!  :D
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: pervert on December 28, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
...where have all the cowboys gone....



semp

semp in full denial as usual
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Changeup on December 28, 2013, 01:52:04 PM
semp in full denial as usual

Semp doesn't see it that way cuz Semp agrees with Semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Fulcrum on December 28, 2013, 02:15:49 PM
...where have all the cowboys gone....



semp

Romo's in the hospital and I'm hoping the rest are headed home to work on their golf game after this weekend.   :D

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 28, 2013, 09:37:45 PM
semp in full denial as usual

see the thing is I was never in a world of aces high where there was chivalry and all the battles were 1v1.  never been around when people consistently asked before joining in.  never have been around when there were unwritten rules that were followed.  never been around when players didnt complain about the lack of quality fights.  never been around when there was no dweebs that ho'd, vulched, horded or dive bombed into cv's.  never been around when the new players spend hours and hours training in the ta so they were experts when moving to the ma.  never been around when 200 was used only for the purpose of congratulating the other player on a battle well fought.  never been around when you didnt had to "settle egos" in the DA.  never been around when the buffs didnt destroy the hangars so as not to "kill the fight".  never been around when there wasnt any whiny experts complaining that the "old days were better".

how can I be full of denial of something I havent experienced?  I only got here 7 years ago.  was a rook back then and we horded 40 to 50 planes at a time to take a base.  we steamed rolled for hours with little to no opposition.  rooks back then won 9 out 10 maps.  we had campers and ho'ers, and kamikaze bombers and dweebs who couldnt fight out of a wet paperback.  we had guys complaining about the lack of following the rules.  we had guys who constantly complained about the lack of quality fights.  we had the euro players constantly complaining about the lack of numbers.

for all of you guys who knew aces high when it was a gentleman's game and saw it it going down hill, I salute you.  now shut the hell up, man up and either quit or quit whining.


semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Slash27 on December 28, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
You can't fight so you would never know.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Toad on December 28, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
was a rook back then and we horded 40 to 50 planes at a time to take a base.  we steamed rolled for hours with little to no opposition
semp

Wow. How did you survive that much excitement?
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: pervert on December 28, 2013, 10:07:32 PM
see the thing is I was never in a world of aces high where there was chivalry and all the battles were 1v1.  never been around when people consistently asked before joining in.  never have been around when there were unwritten rules that were followed.  never been around when players didnt complain about the lack of quality fights.  never been around when there was no dweebs that ho'd, vulched, horded or dive bombed into cv's.  never been around when the new players spend hours and hours training in the ta so they were experts when moving to the ma.  never been around when 200 was used only for the purpose of congratulating the other player on a battle well fought.  never been around when you didnt had to "settle egos" in the DA.  never been around when the buffs didnt destroy the hangars so as not to "kill the fight".  never been around when there wasnt any whiny experts complaining that the "old days were better".

how can I be full of denial of something I havent experienced?  I only got here 7 years ago.  was a rook back then and we horded 40 to 50 planes at a time to take a base.  we steamed rolled for hours with little to no opposition.  rooks back then won 9 out 10 maps.  we had campers and ho'ers, and kamikaze bombers and dweebs who couldnt fight out of a wet paperback.  we had guys complaining about the lack of following the rules.  we had guys who constantly complained about the lack of quality fights.  we had the euro players constantly complaining about the lack of numbers.

for all of you guys who knew aces high when it was a gentleman's game and saw it it going down hill, I salute you.  now shut the hell up, man up and either quit or quit whining.


semp

Semp, the game as an air combat game is dying a slow death atm in numbers and quality, fact. If you seriously think the number or quality of A2A fights is the same now as even 3 years ago let alone 7 you need to stop drinking.

It will reach a stage were the only thing thats left is guys like you who err on the extreme side of caution, you'll be flying around desperately trying to avoid each other  :rofl then you may as well start playing offline lol.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 28, 2013, 10:08:23 PM
You can't fight so you would never know.

just because you pretend to fight it doesnt mean you actually fight  :salute.



semp
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: guncrasher on December 28, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
Semp, the game as an air combat game is dying a slow death atm in numbers and quality, fact. If you seriously think the number or quality of A2A fights is the same now as even 3 years ago let alone 7 you need to stop drinking.

It will reach a stage were the only thing thats left is guys like you who err on the extreme side of caution, you'll be flying around desperately trying to avoid each other  :rofl then you may as well start playing offline lol.

no boss, before you even mention that the number of quality fights is less now than 3 or 7 years ago.  then do a search of "quality fights" and you will see that people have been complaining about the "quality of fights" being less than before since prior to 2000.

actually once you do that then search for "dweebs" and "hordes".  those threads sound like they were written today.  some are pretty funny.  I just spent an hour reading some. funny as heck, i tell ya.  just do the search in the "wish" and "general discussion" so as not to take too long.

you think you have problems finding fights.  look at this poor player who cant find more than a con or two sectors away.


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,99776.0.html

edit: read reply #24, funny as heck.

semp

Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: GhostCDB on December 28, 2013, 10:42:18 PM
I miss when McDonalds was 79 cents for a Big Mac.  :old:


Not that I was alive or anything but it would be pretty cool to get a Big Mac for 79 cents
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: kvuo75 on December 28, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
no boss, before you even mention that the number of quality fights is less now than 3 or 7 years ago.  then do a search of "quality fights" and you will see that people have been complaining about the "quality of fights" being less than before since prior to 2000.

actually once you do that then search for "dweebs" and "hordes".  those threads sound like they were written today.  some are pretty funny.  I just spent an hour reading some. funny as heck, i tell ya.  just do the search in the "wish" and "general discussion" so as not to take too long.

you think you have problems finding fights.  look at this poor player who cant find more than a con or two sectors away.


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,99776.0.html

edit: read reply #24, funny as heck.

semp



semp ftw.

 :aok

it is a good read :)


everyone remember the thread is from 2003, exact same arguments.


Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Slash27 on December 28, 2013, 11:34:28 PM
just because you pretend to fight it doesnt mean you actually fight  :salute.



semp
You're winning half the battle :salute
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Creton on December 28, 2013, 11:45:43 PM
Not that I am on the skill level as some of you guys posting , but I have been having an easy time finding fights. If I see 2 or 3 guys on a con , I just fly off. Most time I just drag a couple away from the group and fight them. At least I think im fighting, dunno though according to your standard of fight. Just a very select group honor that, most just want to kill. I told a guy tonight who was railing on 200 about a guy who had tried to deack and get a vulch, but died in the process, to just let him be. The guy flying was a newer player obviously and just wanted to have fun and kill some things.  

I do find that those who complain about fight quality , most often can't even beat me, but just run back to base or get a buddy in a 5 inch gun to try and pop me. You need to determine what kind of person you would like to be viewed as and strive to be that guy in game.

Many people dont like me, but they know if they run into me then they're gonna get a good fight and have a good time.  


Current game play to me is exactly the same as it was 13 years ago:
hoers
runner
jabos
ack huggers
lemmings
snapshot artist
armchair generals
Know it alls
straffers
complainers



WMLute told me a long time ago "it ain't bragging if you can back it up"


Have fun and enjoy it for what it is. A game for flight buffs and ww2 fanatics.



Hail!!
Creton
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: ink on December 29, 2013, 02:00:40 AM
Not that I am on the skill level as some of you guys posting , but I have been having an easy time finding fights. If I see 2 or 3 guys on a con , I just fly off. Most time I just drag a couple away from the group and fight them. At least I think im fighting, dunno though according to your standard of fight. Just a very select group honor that, most just want to kill. I told a guy tonight who was railing on 200 about a guy who had tried to deack and get a vulch, but died in the process, to just let him be. The guy flying was a newer player obviously and just wanted to have fun and kill some things.  

I do find that those who complain about fight quality , most often can't even beat me, but just run back to base or get a buddy in a 5 inch gun to try and pop me. You need to determine what kind of person you would like to be viewed as and strive to be that guy in game.

Many people dont like me, but they know if they run into me then they're gonna get a good fight and have a good time.  


Current game play to me is exactly the same as it was 13 years ago:
hoers
runner
jabos
ack huggers
lemmings
snapshot artist
armchair generals
Know it alls
straffers
complainers



WMLute told me a long time ago "it ain't bragging if you can back it up"


Have fun and enjoy it for what it is. A game for flight buffs and ww2 fanatics.



Hail!!
Creton

WMLute.......hmmmm whatever happened to him?





he still on the pedophile watch list?
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on December 29, 2013, 04:51:09 AM
semp ftw.

 :aok

it is a good read :)

everyone remember the thread is from 2003, exact same arguments.


2003 the game was growing. Now its on decline. Maybe its time to start listening to those problems which seem to have persisted through the years.

In 2003 the problems probably came with the rise in numbers and new style of gameplay i.e. hording. New players kept rolling in with deaths of both AW and WB, hordes gained more numbers up to the point where HTC had to kill the MA and split it to two smaller arenas. About the same time I think started a large decline in player numbers as players like me absolutely hated the split server. After years of decline new competition comes along with f2p strategy. A sizeable chunk of players were ripped off there and they attract probably most prospective new players with their free model and fancy graphics.

All is not well in AH land and that's an absolute shame. And the biggest problems are the players who think 'me me me' instead of 'us'.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: pervert on December 29, 2013, 06:53:05 AM
no boss, before you even mention that the number of quality fights is less now than 3 or 7 years ago.  then do a search of "quality fights" and you will see that people have been complaining about the "quality of fights" being less than before since prior to 2000.

actually once you do that then search for "dweebs" and "hordes".  those threads sound like they were written today.  some are pretty funny.  I just spent an hour reading some. funny as heck, i tell ya.  just do the search in the "wish" and "general discussion" so as not to take too long.

you think you have problems finding fights.  look at this poor player who cant find more than a con or two sectors away.


http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,99776.0.html

edit: read reply #24, funny as heck.

semp



I would say HOers pickers hoardes etc are the very least of AH's problems, the rise of GVs and more likely the 12 hour rule have killed off an important section of the playerbase regards combat imo.

What remains is more inclined to only attack when the odds are overwhelmingly in their favour and choose not to participate in a disadvantageous situation. What left would switch countries to defend against overwhelming odds with little chance of living.
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: Changeup on December 29, 2013, 09:20:41 AM
People should take up golfing...its easier to learn and it takes less time than AH...and, the equipment costs are about the same lol :aok
Title: Re: for all of you that miss the good old days of ah
Post by: muzik on December 31, 2013, 01:00:54 PM
We all know semp on sight...

(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/maddogjoe_photos/media/semp_zpsf4fbdad1.jpg.html)

well maybe not his face, but the rest of him sticks out around here.  :devil

I don't think semp would know a fight if it punched him in the nose.


The biggest pot and kettle irony I have ever seen! Could be Guiness Book worthy