We should get the 410:lol
We should get the 410
Yak-1 or LaGG-3 (For Eastern Front mid-war; Yak-1 was more produced)........................... We just got another yak
B6N (Most-produced Japanese torpedo bomber, taking over for the early-war B5N) .................another hanger queen like the b5n
D4Y (Most-produced Japanese dive bomber, taking over for early-war D3A) ............................. ...........ditto
Pe-2 (Most-produced Soviet attack plane other than Il-2, for Eastern Front) ......................We just got a Russian bomber
TBD (Important for Battle of Coral Sea and Midway)....................... This one would be good because there is one off San Diego :D ....As long as it gets its flotation bags with HT's new water :aok
Beaufighter (Multi-role, would add a lot of flavor to events) .................Hanger queen maybe as a dap21
My list is based on what is needed for special events, which are a whole other world of gaming in addition to the MA. What is best in special events is having the aircraft that were there in the actual battles. When we can't do that (because the aircraft isn't in AH), we substitute, but some substitutions don't work very well, such as for the aircraft I list below.
The Yak-1 and LaGG-3 were main fighters for the Soviet Union mid war. The Yak-7b is nice, but not an ideal stand-in for those.
The Japanese bombers are not hangar queens in Pacific Theater events.
The Tu-2 is not a suitable stand in for the Pe-2.
The Beaufighter would not be a hangar queen in many theaters, including Mediterranean events.
Top of my list in order of priority:
Yak-1 or LaGG-3 (For Eastern Front mid-war; Yak-1 was more produced)
B6N (Most-produced Japanese torpedo bomber, taking over for the early-war B5N)
D4Y (Most-produced Japanese dive bomber, taking over for early-war D3A)
Pe-2 (Most-produced Soviet attack plane other than Il-2, for Eastern Front)
TBD (Important for Battle of Coral Sea and Midway)
Beaufighter (Multi-role, would add a lot of flavor to events)
The Beaufighter would not be a hangar queen in many theaters, including Mediterranean events.
Top of my list ...Cac Boomerang and the Dewoitine D-520
No new planes. Focus on updating the older models.
Wouldn't the MiG-3 be a better fit than the Yak-1? Even in 1942?
Japanese bombers are always prevalent, glad we have what we do for scenarios.
Agreed that the Tu-2 is not an acceptable stand in for the Pe-2, thought the properly equipped B25 is.
The Beaufighter has much the same punch as the Mossi albeit being slower. Oh, and able to carry a torpedo as well. :aok In PTO and MTO scenarios it will do well enough. Though, for MA use the ENY of the Mossi Mk IV will need to be adjusted (it is too high on the scale).
Yeah, we know.It is quite amusing how he talks down everybody else's early or mid war suggestions as useless hangar queens, but then constantly pushes his preferred early war stuff as though they wouldn't be hangar queens. The willful hypocrisy is interesting to observe.
It is quite amusing how he talks down everybody else's early or mid war suggestions as useless hangar queens, but then constantly pushes his preferred early war stuff as though they wouldn't be hangar queens. The willful hypocrisy is interesting to observe.
2. Me 262 w/50mm cannon
27th
We should get the 410do you mean a better-410--have you tried bribing them with pies??????????????
Wouldn't the MiG-3 be a better fit than the Yak-1? Even in 1942?Yak-1 had higher production numbers and was a better fighter. The MiG-3 was significantly worse in every respect except for speed and looks.
Axis does not have a troop/ord carrier flying.
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/ju52-02.jpg)
Up a C-47 with the Japanese skin. :D
As for hole fillers:
Ki-44
Ki-45 (seriously, we have 110s taking its place in PTO scenarios/FSOs. :P)
Ki-100
J2M
D4Y
B6N
TBD
SB2C
F6F-3
F4F-3
Beaufighter
Swordfish
Up a C-47 with the Japanese skin. :D
As for hole fillers:
Ki-44
Ki-45 (seriously, we have 110s taking its place in PTO scenarios/FSOs. :P)
Ki-100
J2M
D4Y
B6N
TBD
SB2C
F6F-3
F4F-3
Beaufighter
Swordfish
There were only 400 Ki-100's built, so I'd put that one farther down the list.
Snopes image! :D
Never saw any service beyond the two Me 262 A-1a/U4 prototypes.
ack-ack
Gotta appreciate your PTO fixation (upping the Japanese set in power and flexibility while adding allied planes that balance more in the early/mid war should promote more PTO events from early to late time frames). However, I don't think everyone else will.
beaufighter--updated p-51 with cannons.some other british tank. :joystick:I vote TOG 2. just saying...
PTO is arguably still one of the most gappy plane sets right now, so it definitely needs some love.
Meg is a classic case study of inability to think outside his own brick.
Yeah, we know.
I.A.R. 81c
I.A.R. 81c
No new planes. Focus on updating the older models.
Yes +1 ..........adds new country!
As for hole fillers:
Ki-44
Ki-45 (seriously, we have 110s taking its place in PTO scenarios/FSOs. :P)
Ki-100
J2M
D4Y
B6N
TBD
SB2C
F6F-3
F4F-3
Beaufighter
Swordfish
Pontification follows:
If you are looking for historical fights for scenarios, is there sufficient interest in scenarios to merit the thousands of hours required to model a new ride? (I wonder if 3D scanners help cut the time... Greebo?)
So would this:
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What's with your fixation on turning Aces High into the League of Nations? :D
I already told you .........I think new countries would add new subs especially France and Australia :DHorribly outdated units that are free kills were most of the game takes place would not add sustained new subscriptions.
:cheers:
The Mig3 goes 398mph in 1940 which would affect early war.
If you are looking for historical fights for scenarios, is there sufficient interest in scenarios to merit the thousands of hours required to model a new ride?
Fw 189 - An army coop aircraft like the Storch, but armed with a few bombs and machine guns.
(http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Fw-189/Fw-189-(H)31.1-(5D+FH)/images/Art-Focke-Wulf-Fw-189A-1(H).31-(5D+FH)-Smolensk-1941-0A.jpg)
A-20/Boston is also due... Add the 20mm option to the A-20G for a perk (5 to 10 perks). Add the ventral gun. Add the glass nose A-20J.
obviously a meteor...
The D520 does interest. Its Hispano, roll, and dive, would give it instant legitimacy. Might be a fine perk farmer.They shot down 114 LW planes.
I dont remember its score against the LW but it did do pretty well, limited numbers and all.
The D520 does interest. Its Hispano, roll, and dive, would give it instant legitimacy. Might be a fine perk farmer.
I dont remember its score against the LW but it did do pretty well, limited numbers and all.
We should get the 410
But it has super-weak guns: 2x7.62mm and 1x12.7mm.
Also, at low alt, it is slower than the Bf 109F and Yak-1.
It was available with 2 more 12.7 mm guns first in gondolas.What is your source for the MiG-3 armament options?
That's 5 guns.
Other variants removed the 7.62 and used 3x ubs 12.7mm guns.
Other variants had 6x RS82 rockets along with the ubs machine guns.
Another variant had 2 x 20mm shvak cannons.
Many were fitted with 2x 100kg bombs.
TBD mostly because the TBM in game is a horribly OP substitute in FSO and scenarios; also the Ki100 because it would probably come with an updated Ki61.
I know it isn't a plane but it would be great to see a IJN task force added; for me this is one of the biggest tripping blocks to immersion during FSO's
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What is your source for the MiG-3 armament options?
Some of it was from Hitech's previous sim called warbirds and some information came from the russian guys who stole the sim and added russian planes to the planeset.I played WarBirds. There wasn't a MiG-3 in it while HiTech and Pyro were there. Maybe it was added afterwards, but it wasn't in there when they were there.
I played WarBirds. There wasn't a MiG-3 in it while HiTech and Pyro were there. Maybe it was added afterwards, but it wasn't in there when they were there.
Your list of armaments looks very suspiciously like Il-2's list of armaments, many or most of which were on paper only and never saw flight, let alone action. Some Russians hacking WarBirds and adding Russian aircraft is hardly a reliable source either, just as I wouldn't trust American, British, German or Japanese players to not add every one off or might have been superplane for their favored nation either.
I vote thisyess.
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Spad!!!
(http://www.proctor-enterprises.com/photo_gallery/spad13/images/scott_enochs/scott_enochs-spad13-002.jpg)
This thread has become eto centric. There are a lot Eastern pacific and Australians playing, or were, I don't hear them as often on the Knight side as I used to.
No new planes. Focus on updating the older models.
I have put a lot of thought into this and I am convinced the best new addition for the game and the community wod be a brand spanking new P-47D23 :airplane:
More tanks
Yeah, the lack of the SPAD in WWI is pretty glaring.
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I played WarBirds. There wasn't a MiG-3 in it while HiTech and Pyro were there. Maybe it was added afterwards, but it wasn't in there when they were there.
Your list of armaments looks very suspiciously like Il-2's list of armaments, many or most of which were on paper only and never saw flight, let alone action. Some Russians hacking WarBirds and adding Russian aircraft is hardly a reliable source either, just as I wouldn't trust American, British, German or Japanese players to not add every one off or might have been superplane for their favored nation either.
I've never played IL2.
Over 300 Mig3 were armed with 2x ubs 12.7 in the cowling with 700 rounds each.
55 had 2x 20mm shvak in the cowling simply replacing the two UBS 12.7 shown in the picture below.
That's more than the total production of the TA152.
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/2ubs2.jpg)
Over 800 were made with 5 guns (3x 12.7 ubs and 2x 7.62)
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/gunpod2.jpg)
They experimented with many different configurations and often threw them into combat.......sometimes in numbers higher than the total production of planes we have in game.
I still can't find the 3x ubs in the nose or 2 ubk in the wings that I remember but I haven't searched much.
The purpose was to refute the "weak guns" claim because it just isn't true.
and arguably neither does the Eastern Front.
We don't have the main Soviet fighters from 1941 to 1943.
The Yak-1 would be best choice (more produced, and a more-popular fighter).
If they were going to introduce the Yak-1, they would have done so with the recent Yak update. I don't understand why the Yak-1 would be desperately needed. The Yak-7 was a two seat derivative of the I-26, which was the prototype of the Yak-1. In terms of performance, the current Yak-7 is very similar to the Yak-1. It has a second MG, so is better armed (not much better). Easy to create, so there's not the labor of a new plane. Still, little different from the Yak-7....
TBD... Sure, it was significant in the first 6 months of the war. Just remember that the TBF was used at Midway too (and fared no better than the TBD). Aside from occasional scenarios, this will be the Queen Bee of Hanger Queens. Almost no bang for the programming buck..
I don't believe that we will see either any time soon, if ever.
Whatcha think about an IJN carrier and cruiser?Problem with them is that they wouldn't have the proximity fuses that the US ships have.
Problem with them is that they wouldn't have the proximity fuses that the US ships have.
Now, for scenarios it would be great to be able to turn off the proximity fuses on American ships as well as they didn't arrive until late in the war.
For MA purposes I'd suggest each nation getting two American CV task forces and two Japanese CV task forces. The Japanese ones would be easier to sink, but with each side getting two of each it would be even.
If a British CV group were also added then 3 or 6 CV groups per side, even divided between the three types. I don't know if the Brits ever got the proximity fuses, but their CVs could be modeled as tougher to compensate for being physically smaller, and therefor harder to operate off of, than the USN and IJN CVs.
999000,
You might enjoy the H8K2 'Emily' as well.
If they were going to introduce the Yak-1, they would have done so with the recent Yak update. I don't understand why the Yak-1 would be desperately needed. The Yak-7 was a two seat derivative of the I-26, which was the prototype of the Yak-1. In terms of performance, the current Yak-7 is very similar to the Yak-1. It has a second MG, so is better armed (not much better). Easy to create, so there's not the labor of a new plane. Still, little different from the Yak-7....
TBD... Sure, it was significant in the first 6 months of the war. Just remember that the TBF was used at Midway too (and fared no better than the TBD). Aside from occasional scenarios, this will be the Queen Bee of Hanger Queens. Almost no bang for the programming buck..
I don't believe that we will see either any time soon, if ever.
And I agree. Western Europe really doesn't need any particular attention right now, and arguably neither does the Eastern Front. ....The Japanese plane set is still full of glaring holes that there's no substitute for. They have no mid/late-war carrier bombers (B6N/D4Y). No high-altitude fighters/interceptors (Ki-100, J2M). No heavy fighter (Ki-45).
Yeah, the lack of the SPAD in WWI is pretty glaring.
And I agree. Western Europe really doesn't need any particular attention right now, and arguably neither does the Eastern Front. You could make some arguments for the Italians, but one that's mediated by any scenario legitimately being able to fill gaps with German aircraft. The Japanese plane set is still full of glaring holes that there's no substitute for. They have no mid/late-war carrier bombers (B6N/D4Y). No high-altitude fighters/interceptors (Ki-100, J2M). No heavy fighter (Ki-45).
If a British CV group were also added then 3 or 6 CV groups per side, even divided between the three types. I don't know if the Brits ever got the proximity fuses, but their CVs could be modeled as tougher to compensate for being physically smaller, and therefor harder to operate off of, than the USN and IJN CVs.
I think an escort carrier would make a more interesting MA addition. Just have the lighter fighters like Sea Hurricanes, A6Ms and F4Fs plus the naval bombers operating from it but no F6Fs or F4Us. Maybe give the fleet an AA cruiser or even a battleship to compensate.Could be an interesting addition. Did they also sail faster than the large CVs?
Did they also sail faster than the large CVs?
Give us an Illustrious Class! Armoured flight decks :) None were lost during the war.
Neither was anything else :neener:except that the cruiser in AH can be sank with a hand granade.
The Illustrious class was designed to be self reliant for defence, i.e. not dependent on it's fighter cover. Hence the armour and an armament that would put the cruiser to shame!
except that the cruiser in AH can be sank with a hand granade.
except that the cruiser in AH can be sank with a hand granade.
When you see me-410s strafe down a cruiser you go hmmmm, cant complain about those guns.
Speaking of straffing ships down, perhaps we ought to ask for the tank armor model be applied to the ships rather than the simplistic x amount of damage to destroy like hangers model. Armor the cruiser and kill straffing it down with any airplane goodbye.
Do the math. The 410 can deliver a massive amount of damage via the guns. Ever done the math on the 6/20mm? Or the dual 30mm? Impressive.
+1
Though ship damage would have to be remodeled. Magazine hits would be 1 hit, no matter the size of ord as long as it penned. Hitting the boilers on the ships would cause a lose of speed and force the ship to drop out or lag behind the fleet. The CV if slowed would be harder to launch from with heavy fighters, so it would not be a all or nothing airbase.
CVs had bow cats, meaning that they could launch aircraft from anchor. I took a few cat shots (waist cats) while at anchor in the late 70s. The biggest threat to carriers was fire.... I can't think of one U.S. fleet carrier that was sunk by bombs alone.
differences in the effects of torpedo hits vs. bomb hits, and even implementing the damaging effects of near-misses. Just having "X lbs of damage sinks the ship" is really oversimplifying things.
Pretty sure it had been stated before that bombs don't cause damage on a near-miss, it's got to actually hit.
Pretty sure it had been stated before that bombs don't cause damage on a near-miss, it's got to actually hit.
Some historical stats for US BB's and CV's -- see section "Ship Hardness" at the end of this document:
http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/200706_husky/rules.html
Glorious, numerous hits from naval gunfire, sunk
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Franklin was bombed, not kamikazed. The Japanese dive bomber that hit her also escaped. One or two bomb hits.
ew
...The proof that the British have stolen the 262's plans but being unable to produce reliable jet engines, they had to replace them with the spectecular Rolls-Royce Vulture powerplants :neener:
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:pray :pray :pray
YOU SHUT YOUR potato MOUTH!!!!
:rofl
If the next ride added isn't the Ki-100 I shall cry tears of blood as it seems to work well for the GVers.
If the next ride added isn't the Ki-100 I shall cry tears of blood as it seems to work well for the GVers.
Then next plane is going to the Defiant.
Then next plane is going to the Defiant.
Yak-1
Beaufighter
Mig-3
hmmm, Boulton Paul Defiant could be interesting....
The Gigant. Definitely the Gigant.
PZL P24 :bolt: