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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Lucifer on March 10, 2014, 03:52:09 PM
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Would be interesting to get historical Kamikaze planes and their specific bombing system : The CV groups arent easy to approach and get into Jabo bombing position,
so it would be a very valuable weapon against them, and an historical asset for the game....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-xkobaRuE&index=2&list=PL6wbtQ-jp3BMId5wHR6S-7GGHcIYEkuTs
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No. Players already do this with suicide 38s, 47s, 51s and Tiffies. More encouragement is not needed.
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You cant suicide AND damage any boat or building with ANY bomb in this game : the bombs system wont trigger under 1000 feets bomb "run".
Btw have u ever tried to suicide a fighter against a bomber : wont work (and thats fine for me).
No. Players already do this with suicide 38s, 47s, 51s and Tiffies. More encouragement is not needed.
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I have tried off and on for sometime to get the Cherry Blossom planes with no success. The suicide planes would be Japanese only and only used for ships. A separate plane(s) marked suicide would be available in the hanger. A perk price would be put on the plane which you would loose since your plane would be destroyed. No matter if the plane was shot down, ran out gas , or what, you loose the perk points.As the pilots lost their lives, you would loose the perk points.The perk for a plane of such could be 100, 200, or what ever deemed appropriate. It was a reality.
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I totally agree.
I have tried off and on for sometime to get the Cherry Blossom planes with no success. The suicide planes would be Japanese only and only used for ships. A separate plane(s) marked suicide would be available in the hanger. A perk price would be put on the plane which you would loose since your plane would be destroyed. No matter if the plane was shot down, ran out gas , or what, you loose the perk points.As the pilots lost their lives, you would loose the perk points.The perk for a plane of such could be 100, 200, or what ever deemed appropriate. It was a reality.
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Add a 15 minute wait time in the tower after each run and I think it would be an ok idea. If there is no wait time you'll have lines of kamikazes running out to dive into cv groups sitting right off the coast. Bad enough we have to chase down lines of divebombing buffs.
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You cant suicide AND damage any boat or building with ANY bomb in this game : the bombs system wont trigger under 1000 feets bomb "run".
so you drop at 1000 and follow it in and auger. presto. kamikaze.
unless you stink bad enough at dive bombing that you'd miss a ship from 1000 ft. I suppose that is possible.
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Big huge -1
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Kamikaze bombing, as in the link i posted, allows to target with a deadly precision, even with an unusual angle (ie flying fast, doing hard stick manoevers to dodge enemy CV group fire, then bomb enemy ship with an enormous precision).
You can also do a sea level high speed run (which u cant do with torp planes) and bomb the ship from side.
If Kamikazes were used, thats (also) for this precision bombing capability and AAA dodging.
so you drop at 1000 and follow it in and auger. presto. kamikaze.
unless you stink bad enough at dive bombing that you'd miss a ship from 1000 ft. I suppose that is possible.
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All it would be in game is a method to destroy inanimate objects while avoiding actually fighting other players.
Oh, it would also be controversial and possibly insulting to American and Japanese players.
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Kamikaze was a desperate and frankly bad tactic that was only tried because Japan had a confluence of hopeless strategic situation and a crazy regime. No no no.
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Kamikaze was a desperate and frankly bad tactic that was only tried because Japan had a confluence of hopeless strategic situation and a crazy regime. No no no.
Well, it was a bad tactic compared to surrendering. As they were determined to fight on it was about the best tactic they had. Putting those Japanese boys into combat against the overwhelming power of the United States Military would make them just as dead with a far, far lower likelyhood of them damaging the US Military in the process.
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Add a 15 minute wait time in the tower after each run and I think it would be an ok idea. If there is no wait time you'll have lines of kamikazes running out to dive into cv groups sitting right off the coast. Bad enough we have to chase down lines of divebombing buffs.
Not! I think they should allow them, then once you use the plane; hit, miss, or shot down, they are banned from the game for life. Tey wanz realisticism..... let em have a safe taste of it. It be voluntary! :airplane:
These rebars have no clue of how inappropriate some of their wishes truly are. :noid
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If that's the case, anytime you get killed, you should be banned for life.Suicide was a bad idea, so was war.
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No. Players already do this with suicide 38s, 47s, 51s and Tiffies. More encouragement is not needed.
This is true why do you need an A6M Kamikaze with a single 500 lb bomb when you can do more damage already with one of the aircraft above?
Plus the Kamikaze really wasn't an effective weapon. They didnt sink one fleet carrier, their biggest contribution was psycological and that
just won't transfer into the game. If they were to be added they should be a 1000 perk point minimum and once you crash any remaining
bomber perks would be set to 0.
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While i understand the "no" points of view, i dont accept some saying "it would be an insult" (to americans) to add them :Kamikazes did the ultimate sacrifice for their country and not adding them (for the previous reasons) would be an insult to Kamikazes memory.
Just remember we got far "worst" units represented ingame : ie the "Das Reich" : we got their vehicles/skins/markings ingame, though their actions during wwii are -by far- worst than Kamikazes. (check "ouradour-sur-glane" village for exemple).
Kamikazes gave their life for their country, when SS units slaughtered and went deep beyond the "normal" war boundaries.
If we follow the reasoning here, then all SS units paints/skins should be removed.
I think a Kamikaze plane is one of the tactics used in wwii to sink ships (47 Allied vessels, from PT boats to escort carriers, were sunk by kamikaze attacks, and about 300 damaged!).
Adding them is a way to honor them. Not adding because some find it "not politicaly correct" would be a deny to they existence, their courage, their sacrifice, and their memory.
It's just my opinion.
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Some just cannot understand the meaning of a public NO.
What if i was a narzzie and i wanted bigarse swasticas on my 190? The answer would be the same no. Accept it or keep trying, it wont really change the result.
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Its the "wish" thread : thats here we can explain what we would wish and others argue too : while some say "no", others say "yes" : im just defending the history part for Kamikazes : they existed, thats a fact : as we got Japanese navy forces ingame, being able to use their tactics seems logical. :salute
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Well we used to average Kamikaze threads 4 times a year so things are getting better.
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At least one carrier was sunk, the USS St. Lo at Leyte Gulf. At least 34 ships were sunk and more then 350 ships damaged. The 163 was of little value, yet we have it.
ex nihilo nihil fit
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With 20 mm cannons (to shoot the ship before augering into it).
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At least one carrier was sunk, the USS St. Lo at Leyte Gulf. At least 34 ships were sunk and more then 350 ships damaged. The 163 was of little value, yet we have it.
St Lo was not a fleet carrier. The ME-163 was not a suicide weapon. Face it you want Kamikazes to make it easier for you to sink ships it has nothing to do with history.
The Kamikaze is like the Atom bomb and the Swastika you're not going to see it in AH. Learn to dive bomb you'll find satisfaction much quicker than waiting on Kamikazes to be added.
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Understood. :)
Btw, yes, it was for historical tactics.(for me asking ofc, cant talk for others).
Second, Swastika is ingame (i.e Norvegian Brewster skin). But i'm sure u already knew it. :salute
Face it you want Kamikazes to make it easier for you to sink ships it has nothing to do with history.
The Kamikaze is like the Atom bomb and the Swastika you're not going to see it in AH.
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double post
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Second, Swastika is ingame (i.e Norvegian Brewster skin).
Finnish skin :)
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True, my bad ;)
Finnish skin :)
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Understood. :)
Btw, yes, it was for historical tactics.(for me asking ofc, cant talk for others).
Second, Swastika is ingame (i.e Norvegian Brewster skin). But i'm sure u already knew it. :salute
Please don't play obtuse about precisely what symbol we are referring to and why it is not allowed in this game. Thank you.
Now, to de-politicize and move on, Shifty mentioned it as one of three examples that are futile to wish for in AH. There are more.
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True, my bad ;)
He wasn't correcting your mistaking it for Norwegian. He was explaining why it was in the game. The Finns used that emblem before the Nazi Part existed so it isn't a Nazi swastika.
Go to India and you'll see swastikas all over the place because it has been a Hindu religious symbol for millennia, so when considering the ban of the Nazi swastika it is important to recognize that only the Nazi swastika is banned.
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Right, its the same than Nazis, but...blue. Since 1918.
He wasn't correcting your mistaking it for Norwegian. He was explaining why it was in the game. The Finns used that emblem before the Nazi Part existed so it isn't a Nazi swastika.
Go to India and you'll see swastikas all over the place because it has been a Hindu religious symbol for millennia, so when considering the ban of the Nazi swastika it is important to recognize that only the Nazi swastika is banned.
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Understood. :)
Btw, yes, it was for historical tactics.(for me asking ofc, cant talk for others).
Second, Swastika is ingame (i.e Norvegian Brewster skin). But i'm sure u already knew it. :salute
Yeah I know it. Evidently you don't know the Finnish Hakaristi ("hookcross") or vääräpää ("crooked head")
is not the same as the counterclockwise swastika used to represent the Nazi party. You fail.
Right, its the same than Nazis, but...blue. Since 1918.
Wrong it is not the same as the nazi swastika, the same as the star of the Soviet Union was not same as the Star of David.
You fail again.
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Yeah kamikaze planes are long overdue. Aces High is a WWII flight sim after all, kamikaze was a significant part of the air war.
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1)-It has a different name for the Finnish, but thats the same shape, thats ofc what i meant.
2)Finnish symbol and German one are clockwize (so had wwii Finnish/German planes), even if, and i said it, they are different, mainly by colors, and ofc for what they mean.
Yeah I know it. Evidently you don't know the Finnish Hakaristi ("hookcross") or vääräpää ("crooked head")
is not the same as the counterclockwise swastika used to represent the Nazi party. You fail.
Wrong it is not the same as the nazi swastika, the same as the star of the Soviet Union was not same as the Star of David.
You fail again.
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A protracted debate about swastikas is not healthy for this kamikaze thread.
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A protracted debate about swastikas is not healthy for this kamikaze thread.
Quite true. It is suicidal for a thread to take a nose dive like this. :P
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<sarcasm> I say yes for Kamikazes... if we have a perk free A-Bomb</sarcasm>
On a serious note, there are several types of weapons/methods that just aren't good for MA. However they can be very valuable for SEA for Snapshots/Scenarios/SEC/TDWII/FSO.
For example, if you run the Okinawa battle on SEA, you need Kamikazes... because they were there and they were an integrated part. But at MA it just wouldn't work well.
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The suicide planes would be Japanese only and only used for ships.
Why only Japansese? Germans used a form of suicide planes on the Eastern front "Selbstopfereinsätze" and destroyed a couple of bridges held by Russian forces, and the Sonderkommando Elba flew suicide missions against allied bomber formations. Bulgarian Dimitar Spisarevski deliberately crashed his aircraft into an American bomber and destroying both planes :old:
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Oh, it would also be controversial and possibly insulting to American and Japanese players.
Cobblers, no more insulting than recreating people being blown apart by 30mm cannon shells or spiralling down to a fiery demise in a burning B17, or even the in game recreation of dropping 1000's of pounds of ordnance onto little quaint towns :old:
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Thats exactly what i thought. :aok
Quite true. It is suicidal for a thread to take a nose dive like this. :P
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I cant agree more.
Cobblers, no more insulting than recreating people being blown apart by 30mm cannon shells or spiralling down to a fiery demise in a burning B17, or even the in game recreation of dropping 1000's of pounds of ordnance onto little quaint towns :old:
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I cant agree more.
Oh :bolt:
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+ 1 If you dont get perks
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Adding a specific bomb arming system for the few concerned Japanese planes would be enough : the bomb would be activated when plane spawns.
The bomb couldnt be dropped, but would be armed when plane spawns for the attack. No bombing points would be granted :
with such rules, this tactic wouldnt be used too often,
only when situation is critical...
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Adding a specific bomb arming system for the few concerned Japanese planes would be enough : the bomb would be activated when plane spawns.
The bomb couldnt be dropped, but would be armed when plane spawns for the attack. No bombing points would be granted :
with such rules, this tactic wouldnt be used too often,
only when situation is critical...
Wrong. People who would use it are the same types as those who suicide to take out radar/ords. They're concerned with killing the target, not score. Not a fan of it for the MA. People don't need more excuses to be lame.
Wiley.
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Just remember we got far "worst" units represented ingame : ie the "Das Reich" : we got their vehicles/skins/markings ingame, though their actions during wwii are -by far- worst than Kamikazes.
It's just my opinion.
Exactly what did the Luftwaffe do that makes them far worse units? Maybe a little reading about the Luftwaffe might be in order. They flew with honor. They like everyone in Germany were under orders to fight in a war, it did not matter if they agreed with their orders, they followed them. There are countless stories of fighters attacking bombers and the fighter pilots did their best not to kill crew members, damaging planes carefully to allow the crews to bail out. Attacking the reputation of the Luftwaffe to somehow have your wish become more valid does not work sir.
-1 on your wish.
Wrong. People who would use it are the same types as those who suicide to take out radar/ords. They're concerned with killing the target, not score. Not a fan of it for the MA. People don't need more excuses to be lame.
Wiley.
And that is the reason I disagree with your wish.
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Exactly what did the Luftwaffe do that makes them far worse units? Maybe a little reading about the Luftwaffe might be in order. They flew with honor. They like everyone in Germany were under orders to fight in a war, it did not matter if they agreed with their orders, they followed them. There are countless stories of fighters attacking bombers and the fighter pilots did their best not to kill crew members, damaging planes carefully to allow the crews to bail out. Attacking the reputation of the Luftwaffe to somehow have your wish become more valid does not work sir.
-1 on your wish.
And that is the reason I disagree with your wish.
I don't think he was talking about the Luftwaffe, but more of the tanks we have with SS skins. But yet I still have to agree that attacking war atrocities by the SS shouldn't and can't be used to validate the wish.
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Right, its the same than Nazis, but...blue. Since 1918.
Then using your logic, the swastikas that appeared on some US army uniforms was also the same as the Nazi swastika but...yellow.
US Army 45th Infantry Division unit patch.
(http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/art-decor-exotica-3-reich/305976d1329101724t-weird-bridge-my-home-45usinfdiv01.jpg)
Famous French-American WW1 ace Raoul Lufberry also had a swastika painted on his Spad.
ack-ack
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Wrong. People who would use it are the same types as those who suicide to take out radar/ords. They're concerned with killing the target, not score. Not a fan of it for the MA. People don't need more excuses to be lame.
Wiley.
It would only work on ship targets and it would cost about as many perks points as a 262. Imagine that, perk points would actually have a use other than me163s and sleep inducing aircraft.
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No. Players already do this with suicide 38s, 47s, 51s and Tiffies. More encouragement is not needed.
lol i was going to say something similar but you nailed it.. :lol
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It would only work on ship targets and it would cost about as many perks points as a 262. Imagine that, perk points would actually have a use other than me163s and sleep inducing aircraft.
...but it would be a one shot kill? Still not a fan.
Wiley.
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A one shot kill? Make some sense!
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Knowing the lemming mentality, this would completely degradate this game. There is no question. End of the story.
Fly to fight.