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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Zerstorer on August 18, 2014, 08:26:07 AM
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Please post what your personal opinion of the qualities that distingish a great cartoon pilot from the average or simply good. These qualities can include behaviors in additional to technical knowledge or skills.
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:rofl
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People who are good at flying, killing, ACM, and use the plane's advantages in more than just one specific airplane.
Pilots who are good at defensive setup maneuvers when con's are trailing their 6s.
People who say "awesome shot" rather than "BS shot". We all get lucky here and there.
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:rofl
A good sense of humor?
I think that actually does qualify. :D
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People who are good at flying, killing, ACM, and use the plane's advantages in more than just one specific airplane.
Pilots who are good at defensive setup maneuvers when con's are trailing their 6s.
People who say "awesome shot" rather than "BS shot". We all get lucky here and there.
In general I agree, tho' the specifics could be fleshed out a bit.
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Those who don't HO first merge and are willing to fight regardless of the odds
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In general I agree, tho' the specifics could be fleshed out a bit.
In order of importance to me (first being most important).
- A good marksman (nice flying never killed anyone)
- Good SA (being aware of your surroundings first, empowers you to make the best decision when it comes to BFM/ACM later
- Knowledge of ACM, specifically, judging Energy states, knowing when to press an attack or feign one to create a rope or energy trap(when flying defensively)
Some people are good at one or 2 of these, but when you become proficient at all 3 is when things really start clicking. These people are few and far between. These folks are usually on the offensive, their SA usually keeps them out of trouble and having to fly defensively.
Personality traits:
Confident
Patient
Objective
Disciplined
Side note: Whenever these people die, they don't blame anyone but themselves.
HOed ? It takes 2.
"Picked"? SA failure.
Vulched? Another SA failure.
Ganged? SA/ACM failure
The personality traits I mentioned usually leads to this person to analyze why it is they died on a particular sortie, and correcting THEIR mistakes, instead of expecting others to fly differently in order to accommodate their shortfalls.
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In general I agree, tho' the specifics could be fleshed out a bit.
If you'll go down to the "109 dweeb" thread, in the last post, I kind of explain the defensive maneuvers and how they are important for people who constantly have con's jump on their 6. I could literally write a book about how important defensive counterpunch attacks are. Better than average pilots can set up kill shots by making planes over shoot, they can also use this method to put the planes attacking them into a neutral position in order to work around for the advantage. Takes a lot of skill, timing, stall experience in the plane, using the blackout to the enimies weakness when they are chasing you.
I think people who are good in and fly more than one plane have a better knowledge of the game and prove that they can actually fly more than just one certain style. Flying different planes also allows you to understand a planes weakness better. Pilots who fly more than one plane typically understand the game, flight model, and ACM better because they are more verse and understand how different styles are important to certain situations in AH. For example if my base is being heavily attacked, I'm not gonna up a P47, I'll up a ki84 or la7 because that what those planes are most useful for in these types of situations.
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- A good marksman (nice flying never killed anyone)
- Good SA (being aware of your surroundings first, empowers you to make the best decision when it comes to BFM/ACM later
- Knowledge of ACM, specifically, judging Energy states, knowing when to press an attack or feign one to create a rope or energy trap(when flying defensively)
Some people are good at one or 2 of these, but when you become proficient at all 3 is when things really start clicking. These people are few and far between. These folks are usually on the offensive, their SA usually keeps them out of trouble and having to fly defensively.
Personality traits:
Confident
Patient
Objective
Disciplined
Side note: Whenever these people die, they don't blame anyone but themselves.
HOed ? It takes 2.
"Picked"? SA failure.
Vulched? Another SA failure.
Ganged? SA/ACM failure
The personality traits I mentioned usually less to this person analyzing why it is they died on a particular sortie, and correcting THEIR mistakes, instead of expecting others to fly differently.
NOTE: My clarification for what you meant is in red above.
I agree with these qualities and characteristics. I also commend you on your observations at the end....I think those are critical points some seem to miss.
If you'll go down to the "109 dweeb" thread, in the last post, I kind of explain the defensive maneuvers and how they are important for people who constantly have con's jump on their 6. I could literally write a book about how important defensive counterpunch attacks are. Better than average pilots can set up kill shots by making planes over shoot, they can also use this method to put the planes attacking them into a neutral position in order to work around for the advantage. Takes a lot of skill, timing, stall experience in the plane, using the blackout to the enimies weakness when they are chasing you.
But this assumes a defensive mindset to some degree. Do you view that mindset as a requirement for the LWMA and if so why?
I think people who are good in and fly more than one plane have a better knowledge of the game and prove that they can actually fly more than just one certain style. Flying different planes also allows you to understand a planes weakness better. Pilots who fly more than one plane typically understand the game, flight model, and ACM better because they are more verse and understand how different styles are important to certain situations in AH. For example if my base is being heavily attacked, I'm not gonna up a P47, I'll up a ki84 or la7 because that what those planes are most useful for in these types of situations.
Now you have lost me. If a pilot has a good grasp of ACM, flight model, strengths and weaknesses of each fighter in the planeset, etc....what difference should his plane choice make given the situation you propose? They are all just variables the pilot is making judgements on based on his experience and ACM knowledge. Shouldn't a pilot with the qualities you list be able to just take up any plane in the base defense situation and be equally successful?
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I've always thought of a Good AH Pilot ( in fighters being more specific here ) as having the following abilities and specific traits ( and it might sound a lot like Kruel's post with a little bit of DmonSlyr's mixed in )
1st off the Great AH Pilot has very good game etiquette, and can handle friendly ribbing and cross country banner
then in my order:
Exceptional SA ( Situational Awareness ) - one needs this long before they ever even get close to any other opponent
Expert Shooting/Aiming Skills - if you can not shoot and hit, all the BFM knowledge in the world will only last you so long
Excellent Study of BFM then ACM ( ACM is for multiple vs multiple fighting )
Then one thing that is more the norm for the Aces High arena in my experience over the years, is being extremely proficient at Defensive BFM, because most will not engage you unless you actually show them that they falsely have the upper hand ( cast a line & hook and see if they bite - To Fight )
as for the traits: I am going to copy Kruel's but edit one line to my thinking
Personality traits:
Confident
Patiently Aggressive
Objective
Disciplined
and when I am flying and really got my head/thinking into it, I haven't lost that sortie until I am looking out the Tower window.... <--- always been the way I think, I try to always think 3 or 4 steps /points beyond the CURRENT, it has helped me for so long to do this.... SA Overload is what usually gets most of the "great" AH fighter pile-its sent to the tower
YMMV edit: and NO I am not one of the GREAT ONES
TC
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I'd have to say, more than anything, a good AH pilot has knowledge and experience. When you hone those two skills, it doesn't matter what the plane or situation may be, you can be successful. No matter what you style is, if you don't put yourself in uncomfortable situations occationally you're not going to get better. The best way to get both is to put in the time and/or find someone to teach you.
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Then one thing that is more the norm for the Aces High arena in my experience over the years, is being extremely proficient at Defensive BFM, because most will not engage you unless you actually show them that they falsely have the upper hand ( cast a line & hook and see if they bite - To Fight )
I agree with this. This was what I thought Violator was getting at, but wanted him to expand on it a bit further.
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The pilot that calls,"I got this" and fights his own battle,, close second is the pilot that stays out of an obvious one v one or at least asks before getting into it.
Worst is the guy that follows a broken plane to the deck shooting and shooting after someone else has already shot it down, trying to gain the kill message.
As far as the enemy, fight to win, secondly fight to survive,, a great fight followed by a short pursuit is just as good as a fight to the death for both sides, live to fight another day, an enemy that has you killed and let's you go will get more respect than any other player in the game as far as I can tell!. Salute, instead of calling BS, many times I've thought, how the heck, then I remember , I don't know it all, it's just a game and stuff happens!
And Hoing is part of combat, it was one of the most effective parts of WW2 fighter combat, if you show me your not going to I won't either on the merge, all the rest of it is war!
Just my opinion tho,, it's a fun game.
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NOTE: My clarification for what you meant is in red above.
Now you have lost me. If a pilot has a good grasp of ACM, flight model, strengths and weaknesses of each fighter in the planeset, etc....what difference should his plane choice make given the situation you propose? They are all just variables the pilot is making judgements on based on his experience and ACM knowledge. Shouldn't a pilot with the qualities you list be able to just take up any plane in the base defense situation and be equally successful?
Well, planes are better at certain things than others, the LA7 for example is an excellent base defender, it's ability to get up to speed and climb to a decent altitude quickly makes it so, but a P51 is not, the slow acceleration limits it's ability to get "spooled" up quickly. All things being equal you would have more success in the LA7, in the base defense role than your would in the 51 (I'm assuming we are taking off from the base that is under attack and not one that is a grid away.)
It's not to say you couldn't be successful in the 51, but you would be more so in the LA. For this particular role. It's the same as saying, you would have the same level of success at 25k in an LA vs a 51. It wasn't built for that alt.
Now, I don't think it's necessary to fly different planes to know the strengths and weaknesses of each. You can do that by flying your own planes against them as well. I don't fly the 51, but I do know once it gets slow it takes time to get back up to speed (unless there is room to dive), I can use this to my advantage, I didn't have to fly it to know this.
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A good fighter pilot do not play to the hand of his enemies by playing their game, rules or standards - he fly only to his own advantage.
Despite how much they cry about running, HOing, not fighting the real fight. A really good pilot do not care. He fly, kill, land and do it again.
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pay $15 a month and have a good imagination
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pay $15 a month and have a good imagination
:lol
Maybe the best answer yet. :aok
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well said batfink!
also agree with Tikto's post
I need to also add that as of lately when I have been in the LWMA, it seems that most all fights I have encountered have actually been pretty fun, and I hardly at all had to fall back on using the ol' sucker them in thinking they got the upper hand stuff...
Everyone I encountered brought the fight! which was a welcomed change from my point of view!
TC
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pay $15 a month and have a good imagination
A few cold ones help too. :cheers:
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There's great answers here that support the notion of very effective cartoon pilots, but are somewhat slanted to the mechanics of the fight. Some aspects of the following were touched on but I'll call them out.
Honor
Respect
Sportsmanship
Sense of Humor
Responsibility
Teamwork
Add these ingredients to the rest and I think you will come up with a truly great cartoon pilot. It's another angle on why they are rare. In the real world you will find these characteristics in most great pilots.
:salute
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Please post what your personal opinion of the qualities that distingish a great cartoon pilot from the average or simply good.
A great AH pilot for me is;
someone that disregards score and rank.
someone that fly's the aircraft they enjoy, not the best performing.
someone that that dislikes flying with the horde.
someone that prefers to fight for themselves, living or dying by their own talents or mistakes.
someone that avoids the HO to allow a fight develop.
someone that, when called, will go into the DA with anyone.
someone that doesn't mock defeated opponents in or out of the game.
someone that gives advise freely without being condescending.
someone that will ask a friendly if help is needed before turning a 1v1 into a 2v1.
someone that has the determination to keep trying and not giving up.
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But this assumes a defensive mindset to some degree. Do you view that mindset as a requirement for the LWMA and if so why?
Now you have lost me. If a pilot has a good grasp of ACM, flight model, strengths and weaknesses of each fighter in the planeset, etc....what difference should his plane choice make given the situation you propose? They are all just variables the pilot is making judgements on based on his experience and ACM knowledge. Shouldn't a pilot with the qualities you list be able to just take up any plane in the base defense situation and be equally successful?
1. For those people who don't always have to fly the fastest planes in the game, defense tactics are highly required and they are also highly effective. Running away to me is lame and boring. So I always attempt a defensive tactic that may be able to give me the advantage and a quick kill. Average sticks don't know these moves and either attempt to run away, or squerm on the deck until they get saved or ultimately shot down. It's hard to always be the fastest, always keep your alt, and always be able to run away, so learning these moves are crucial to stay alive if/when you get in a disadvantage. People who run when they have a con on their 6 miss out on kills and also don't get as many as they could have. It's very important. To learn these in the MA because you will not always have the advantage, especially if you fly slower planes.
2. Yes the plane does matter.
If a base is being over taken by carrier planes, these are tight turning semi fast planes and they can all dive well except the a6m really. So I don't care who is taking off, if you up in a 47 or tiff or another sluggish plane in the midst of being over run by carrier planes you will hardly survive. Just because someone has extensive experience in ACM and plane knowledge, they will still pretty much be flying defensivlely in this type of situation. So even though one may be able to turn a P47 slightly well. It is no match for a F4u diving on you while you are low on the deck trying to get speed. You simply just cannot out turn or runaway givin this position idk who you are. (Maybe get lucky on a overshoot pass shot but that's about it.)
Alright another situation.
I am on my way to a base where I know there are gonna be some high cons. I think I'm cool and take up a fm2. That would be a rather stupid choice of plane. Just like upping a P47 at a base that is being capped. So I get up to about 10K in my FM2 going roughly 260 let's say. Here come the 190Ds and p51s at 15K. But I don't choose to engage them, so I see a lower plane below me and attempt to dive on them for the kill. Let's say I miss. Now either I go up to regain my E or I cut my E and continue to attack. Uhhh ohh here comes both the 190D and p51 on me. I still haven't killed the spit. So now I'm in a bad position because I can't run, and the only thing I can do is defensively get the BnZers to miss. Now you say well that's bad SA. But these planes were higher and faster to begin with. They could have caught you already. At this point you are already In a defensive position in a plane that cant extend. So you end up getting ganged 3 to 1. This is because of a poor plane choice that cant handle the consistsnt BnZ of the 190d and p51 and turn with the spit at the same time. It doesn't matter how much you know or think you know about flying this plane and ACM because the plane simply cannot perform well enough to not get in this position. Once you start engaging enimies with this plane it is rather easy to get picked because it can't excel well and it's slow.
So those are 2 situations of choosing the wrong plane even if you think you are good because 95% of the time you will get shot down no matter how much ACM or SA you possess.
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Dolby nailed it. Conversation over.
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1. For those people who don't always have to fly the fastest planes in the game, defense tactics are highly required and they are also highly effective.
Agreed except for the qualifier. I think its pretty important for people who fly fast planes as well i.e. everyone ends up slow sometimes.
2. Yes the plane does matter.
I agree, of course.
So if this is the case, does it follow that a pilot who is consistently effective in a plane that is not optimal for a given situation is more skilled than another pilot in the same scenario but flying a more inherently effective plane?
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Dolby nailed it. Conversation over.
Agreed.
- oldman
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Anyone who simply plays the game without incessant complaints about the way the other players are flying is great in my book, never mind the skills, what they fly, or how they fly it.
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A great AH pilot for me is;
someone that disregards score and rank.
someone that fly's the aircraft they enjoy, not the best performing.
someone that that dislikes flying with the horde.
someone that prefers to fight for themselves, living or dying by their own talents or mistakes.
someone that avoids the HO to allow a fight develop.
someone that, when called, will go into the DA with anyone.
someone that doesn't mock defeated opponents in or out of the game.
someone that gives advise freely without being condescending.
someone that will ask a friendly if help is needed before turning a 1v1 into a 2v1.
someone that has the determination to keep trying and not giving up.
Very well said
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To me the answer is rather simple!
A great AH pilot practices what he preaches!
:salute
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Great pilots only fly the best plane for the job, always have friends to back them up and never start a fight they aren't sure to be able to escape from. :)
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A great pilot is any that will let me shoot them down without trying to defend themselves
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Agreed except for the qualifier. I think its pretty important for people who fly fast planes as well i.e. everyone ends up slow sometimes.
I agree, of course.
So if this is the case, does it follow that a pilot who is consistently effective in a plane that is not optimal for a given situation is more skilled than another pilot in the same scenario but flying a more inherently effective plane?
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Yeah that's true, you should be able to do them in faster planes but you don't necessarily want to be in that position because they can't turn well and it makes it easier to get picked. Only if you have a lot of E and can possibly pull a rope.
That's a tough question though fulcrum. Do they only fly an 5 eny plane that has speed and can turn decently enough? (P51). Do these pilots actually get in situations where they don't have the advantage? Let's say that P47 takes off at a base being capped by carrier planes. He gets 5 kills, while another guy in a ki84 doesn't get any. Sure you could say the P47 guy was more skilled. But players who consistently fly let's say a 190D really don't have too many disadvantages unless they get slow. Sooo, if a player only chooses one style, in a plane that is optimal in 90% of situations to be able to get out of the fight by running away, there's really not that much skill involved other than knowing how not to get slow. So this plane would have a higher % of being able to get more kills in many more situations because of not only the fighter pilot but because the plane has much better performance. Therefore, you don't have to be as skilled to fly these planes given the fact that there is less of a chance that the situation will go to your disadvantage. However, if you only fly the P40 and land kills and are awesome in that, then yes you prob are very skilled.
I wanted to say to kruel that.. You definitely do need to fly in these planes to see disadvantages that you can't see when fighting them. Example would be like a gas leak or something. If you never flew a F4U1d you wouldn't know that a it only has 1 tank compared to the 1a that has 2. If you were in a ki84 and I was in a nik. I'd know that ud have the advantage in the vert but I'd have it in the flat turn. You will never know how fast a plane loses E or excels if you never fight with. And you will never know some of the fighter tactics planes like to use more than other planes if you don't fly them. I know that because the spit has only one notch of flaps, as soon as I see them go down, I can usually beat them in roll arounds and loops because that one notch of flaps really effects the E state.I can also hope he flat spins by dumping flaps too early and trying to slow down and roll too quickly. I learned that by flying it rather than watching people do it and assume I know the reason why.
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There are great pilots, and then there are the freaks. The great ones IMO are the ones that have the attributes Dolby listed.
"Mechanically" a great pilot has great SA, ability to control the plane, gunnery. Gunnery and flight ability can compensate for each other somewhat, meaning a slightly lower capability in gunnery can be offset by the ability to set the opponents up for easy shots, and vice versa.
Then there are the freaks. A lot of great pilots can dive into a red crowd alone and get a few kills before succumbing to the gangbang more often than not. The freaks are the ones that can do it and clear the sky of red, then fly home on a consistent basis.
Wiley.
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But players who consistently fly let's say a 190D really don't have too many disadvantages unless they get slow. Sooo, if a player only chooses one style, in a plane that is optimal in 90% of situations to be able to get out of the fight by running away, there's really not that much skill involved other than knowing how not to get slow. So this plane would have a higher % of being able to get more kills in many more situations because of not only the fighter pilot but because the plane has much better performance. Therefore, you don't have to be as skilled to fly these planes given the fact that there is less of a chance that the situation will go to your disadvantage. However, if you only fly the P40 and land kills and are awesome in that, then yes you prob are very skilled.
The "awesome P-40 pilot" could have gotten all of his kills by cherry picking while hanging outside of a furball, which according to you would make him unskilled, just like the pilot flying the FW 190 is unskilled, because according to you the Focke Wulf pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics. It is also rather biased to impart to the masses that since the FW 190 pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics (which his plane is well suited for), than he is 'unskilled' compared to someone that uses more Angle Fighting tactics.
I can understand where you've derived that assumption from, it's from the fact that the majority of the players that employ Energy Fighting tactics do so incorrectly. Correctly flown, Energy Fighting takes just as much skill as Angles Fighting and the one that thinks otherwise is the one that usually ends up in the tower. Woe be the angle fighter that runs into an E fighting pilot that can easily transition between the two fighting styles in a fight.
ack-ack
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I wanted to say to kruel that.. You definitely do need to fly in these planes to see disadvantages that you can't see when fighting them. Example would be like a gas leak or something. If you never flew a F4U1d you wouldn't know that a it only has 1 tank compared to the 1a that has 2. If you were in a ki84 and I was in a nik. I'd know that ud have the advantage in the vert but I'd have it in the flat turn. You will never know how fast a plane loses E or excels if you never fight with. And you will never know some of the fighter tactics planes like to use more than other planes if you don't fly them. I know that because the spit has only one notch of flaps, as soon as I see them go down, I can usually beat them in roll arounds and loops because that one notch of flaps really effects the E state.I can also hope he flat spins by dumping flaps too early and trying to slow down and roll too quickly. I learned that by flying it rather than watching people do it and assume I know the reason why.
People learn in different ways. In your KI84 vs N1K example, why couldn't the simple experience of getting beat in the flat turn a few times teach me "maybe I shouldn't do that anymore".
Experience can show you what different planes are capable of, I don't fly the KI 84 but I know it's a monster in the vertical, why? Because I've been on the receiving end of it.. lesson? Don't take a KI vertical unless you have a significant E advantage. It are flying a plane that experience has shown to climb better than the KI;
Sure, there are nuances to each plane (tanks, flaps ect ect) those are things you look up. I don't fly the K4 but, experience has shown me that they can't dive.
People learn in different ways, so even if I have never flown KI84, I know that if my E state is similar to an LA7, I should be able to catch him in the vertical.
I guess it's a matter of subjective opinion, I would rather be known as an expert in one airframe, than "generally good" in all.
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The "awesome P-40 pilot" could have gotten all of his kills by cherry picking while hanging outside of a furball, which according to you would make him unskilled, just like the pilot flying the FW 190 is unskilled, because according to you the Focke Wulf pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics. It is also rather biased to impart to the masses that since the FW 190 pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics (which his plane is well suited for), than he is 'unskilled' compared to someone that uses more Angle Fighting tactics.
I can understand where you've derived that assumption from, it's from the fact that the majority of the players that employ Energy Fighting tactics do so incorrectly. Correctly flown, Energy Fighting takes just as much skill as Angles Fighting and the one that thinks otherwise is the one that usually ends up in the tower. Woe be the angle fighter that runs into an E fighting pilot that can easily transition between the two fighting styles in a fight.
ack-ack
Well said.
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1. Able to fight angles or E fight.
2. SA
3. Accuracy
Those 3 things in order are the most important traits of the best fighter pilots. Some would argue different order of precedence but I believe General knowledge of ACM will help you be better at the other 2, especially accuracy because a pilot who can place himself where he has the higher percentage shot is going to be a far more superior pilot.
Plane shouldn't matter as well IMO, best pilots can jump in any ride and lay the smack down(may not be best in that ride, but surely be able to hang with the best.
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Hypocrisy is an indespensable requirement :old:
A good fighter pilot will bounce a lower & slower single enemy together with two friends, then lament all over CH 200 about "ack runners" and how he can't get a fight, thus promoting his image as a true 'fighting man' :noid
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1. Able to fight angles or E fight.
2. SA
3. Accuracy
Those 3 things in order are the most important traits of the best fighter pilots. Some would argue different order of precedence but I believe General knowledge of ACM will help you be better at the other 2, especially accuracy because a pilot who can place himself where he has the higher percentage shot is going to be a far more superior pilot.
Plane shouldn't matter as well IMO, best pilots can jump in any ride and lay the smack down(may not be best in that ride, but surely be able to hang with the best.
I'd have to disagree with some of this. How can one possibly apply ACM effectively without possessing SA, especially given the importance of timing?
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1. Knowledge of ACM and overall fighting skills; fighting the angles and E. Doesn't matter if you're a crack shot if you can't maneuver for a shot.
1. Gunnery. You can out fly your opponent all day long but if you can't shoot him then you can't kill him.
1. SA. Even if you're a crack shot and have hotshot ace piloting skills you can still be killed if you aren't aware of your surroundings.
There is no order of importance, they are all equally important. :old: :cheers:
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A great AH pilot understands that this is not a flight simulator and will learn all of the gaming moves in the aircraft that the game allows both offensively and defensively. They will also have great SA and be a great shot.
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Anybody that clears my smoking, leaking, wallowing P-38 as it limps home. :)
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A great AH pilot understands that this is not a flight simulator and will learn all of the gaming moves in the aircraft that the game allows both offensively and defensively. They will also be a great shot.
So you are stating that all the "great" pilots of AH past & present are nothing more than "gamers of the game"?
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A good pilot: one who is flying the same way as i do, giving me some fun fights.
A great pilot: a good pilot who is repeatedly beating me.
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A good attitude and an obvious lack of the dbag gene.
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The "awesome P-40 pilot" could have gotten all of his kills by cherry picking while hanging outside of a furball, which according to you would make him unskilled, just like the pilot flying the FW 190 is unskilled, because according to you the Focke Wulf pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics. It is also rather biased to impart to the masses that since the FW 190 pilot only uses Energy Fighting tactics (which his plane is well suited for), than he is 'unskilled' compared to someone that uses more Angle Fighting tactics.
I can understand where you've derived that assumption from, it's from the fact that the majority of the players that employ Energy Fighting tactics do so incorrectly. Correctly flown, Energy Fighting takes just as much skill as Angles Fighting and the one that thinks otherwise is the one that usually ends up in the tower. Woe be the angle fighter that runs into an E fighting pilot that can easily transition between the two fighting styles in a fight.
ack-ack
I'm not necessarily saying they are unskilled. I am saying that they have a higher ability to be unskilled and still get kills because their plane allows them to have more opportunity to not be put in a disadvantage. Where as a P40, if it gets in trouble, doesn't have the ability to simply extend away and regain E. You would actually have to fight and make sure to not get ganged, therefore it takes a considerate amount of more skill and the experience to be successful in it. Even for the people who aren't good at E fighting they still have the chance to get away from a fight when the tides are changing.
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"A good pilot: one who is flying the same way as i do, giving me some fun fights."
I'm assuming, what you are saying here is what a great pilot means to you specifically and not what your opinion of what everyone else should consider to be characteristics of a great pilot.
"A great pilot: a good pilot who is repeatedly beating me."
I'm guessing it's the former, I think the question was what characteristics do you think makes a great pilot, that everyone else should consider as well?
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My keyword is the willing to fight and improve; cowardice or empty score-chasing wont lead to anywhere. ACM, SA, gunnery and other stuff will come with time, for sure. Different actual ACM knowledge can be compensated with the plane choice - and still can be a good, entertaining fight for both.
Let me rephrase it, anyone with willing to fight is a good pilot in my book, and those who beat me in my game are great ones.
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those who beat me in my game are great ones.
W00T! Debrody thinks I'm great!
ack-ack
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My keyword is the willing to fight and improve; cowardice or empty score-chasing wont lead to anywhere. ACM, SA, gunnery and other stuff will come with time, for sure. Different actual ACM knowledge can be compensated with the plane choice - and still can be a good, entertaining fight for both.
Let me rephrase it, anyone with willing to fight is a good pilot in my book, and those who beat me in my game are great ones.
But, your opinion what what a fight is and someone else's opinion of what a fight is might be different. So who is right? I guess no one is (or everyone is if you're an optimist). It's all based on opinion.
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W00T! Debrody thinks I'm great!
ack-ack
Heh, the question of the thread is should everyone else think so too based on the fact that you might beat him(and him alone) consistently.
(Really trying not to go down this path, this thread is actually very
Civil and enlightening.
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W00T! Debrody thinks I'm great!
ack-ack
Yup. Not sure if it makes you happyer though :) Pity that we only had one duel, but it was quite entertaining for sure.
But, your opinion what what a fight is and someone else's opinion of what a fight is might be different. So who is right? I guess no one is (or everyone is if you're an optimist). It's all based on opinion.
I dont even know it exactly. Maybe this might give a hint: one who is not running away from an even situation is a fighter. Waiting til one has every possible kind of advantage, then engage, is definiately not fighting.
I admit, im quite selfish in this topic. Something is fun for me, something is not too much but still acceptable, and something is just raw, boring cowardice.
I doubt one person's view alone would (or should) consitute a Yourrrrrr...... GRRRRRRRRREAT!*award. Sorry Ack Ack. ;)
I pity those who think that youre great at any level though.
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Heh, the question of the thread is should everyone else think so too based on the fact that you might beat him(and him alone) consistently.
(Really trying not to go down this path, this thread is actually very
Civil and enlightening.
I think he stated it would be his view.
Given the disparity of viewpoints, I doubt one person's view alone would (or should) consitute a Yourrrrrr...... GRRRRRRRRREAT!*award. Sorry Ack Ack. ;)
* with appologies to Tony the Tiger & Frosted Flakes....
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A great AH pilot for me is;
someone that disregards score and rank.
someone that fly's the aircraft they enjoy, not the best performing.
someone that that dislikes flying with the horde.
someone that prefers to fight for themselves, living or dying by their own talents or mistakes.
someone that avoids the HO to allow a fight develop.
someone that, when called, will go into the DA with anyone.
someone that doesn't mock defeated opponents in or out of the game.
someone that gives advise freely without being condescending.
someone that will ask a friendly if help is needed before turning a 1v1 into a 2v1.
someone that has the determination to keep trying and not giving up.
This, but without the horde part. I like flying in them as well as against them.
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A great pilot is one who cuts his or her engine at the top of a loop. :rock
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Maybe this might give a hint: one who is not running away from an even situation is a fighter.Waiting til one has every possible kind of advantage, then engage, is definiately not fighting.
Again, this is your opinion, you're entitled to it
I admit, im quite selfish in this topic. Something is fun for me, something is not too much but still acceptable, and something is just raw, boring cowardice.
I pity those who think that youre great at any level though.
Ya think? It's too bad you aren't flying anymore, that means there could never be any more great pilots. As they need to pass your test.
That is perfectly humble and not ego driven and hypocritical in anyway. In fact, it's probably the most objective answer in this thread. :rolleyes:
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A great pilot is one who cuts his or her engine at the top of a loop. :rock
There goes the thread, thanks everyone for your input, g'night!
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It's too bad you aren't flying anymore
So he says. /wink /wink :rofl
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I am gonna file this one under the Who Cares. Really, are we gonna start another E-peen thread? :rolleyes:
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I am gonna file this one under the Who Cares. Really, are we gonna start another E-peen thread? :rolleyes:
I was kinda sorta hopin' we wouldn't.
Ah well...it was a good conversation while it lasted. :salute
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A great pilot is one who doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything except playing the game his way, with his wingmen...
...which automatically rules out about 98% of most people here.
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Just look at Zack1234 :old:
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A great pilot does not have to constantly post drivel on the boards so they will be noticed, nor will you find them in a squad that does the same thing.
You may have been going for "Famous" but you landed smack dab in the middle of "Infamous".
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One thing that always impresses me is how folks like Rud3boi and Lazer go in at fairly low alts but not low E. I don't think this is as much of a quality as it is confidence.
On the quality side, marksmenship and SA go a long ways.
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ThisThread: "Mayday mayday! I'm losing altitude quickly, outboard engines 1 and 4 are flamed out!"
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For me..it is the guys who leave their ego's at the desktop on login in... unfortunately...that is only about 1% of the AH Population......and I think that's being generous..
we are all needing a reality check from time to time...some more than others..... I know I do... But I do pride myself on apologising after i have been an egotistical prat to those I implicated in my awesomeness or suck.
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98% of the only 10% of players who post on the bbs?
Or 98% of all the players who are in-game?
The 90% that dont bother with the general discussion forum, are probably doing themselves a favor, I think anyways...
heh
Was a good thread you started, Fulcrum! was interesting and civil, for the most part
TC
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I am the definition of a great AH Pilot.
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98%
I see what you did there! ;)
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For me..it is the guys who leave their ego's at the desktop on login in... unfortunately...that is only about 1% of the AH Population......and I think that's being generous..
we are all needing a reality check from time to time...some more than others..... I know I do... But I do pride myself on apologising after i have been an egotistical prat to those I implicated in my awesomeness or suck.
You know Tongs, one of the good memories I have regarding engaging you in the LWMA, was when Badboy ans I were working on some wingman stuff! You picked up on it and stayed in it with (against) us, and never complained not once... No matter who / whom was the victor...
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TC
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It's all based on opinion.
Whenever these types of conversations airse I often have to think this is really what it comes down too.
I mean I use to fight Bighorn many years ago and I thought this dude was the best I've ever seen. I never saw him in the MA, and every single time in the DA he would graciously kick my arse and even let me film, and he taught me a lot about ACM in the game.
It's almost impossible to mark "great AH sticks" because everyone has their own interpretation of how they percieve there own greatness compared to others greatness. "He stays alive all the time" he's great!". "He is the best dueler in the game" he's great. "He gets the most kills" hes great. But all of these single things are marked by players who have different ideas about what they are trying to accomplish. The guy who gets the most kills may not be the best dueler in then game. You may stay alive the longest, but not really get that many kills.
I think it just comes down to experience and overall knowledge of the game and the different aspects of which you choose to "be great at".
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Whenever these types of conversations airse I often have to think this is really what it comes down too.
I mean I use to fight Bighorn many years ago and I thought this dude was the best I've ever seen. I never saw him in the MA, and every single time in the DA he would graciously kick my arse and even let me film, and he taught me a lot about ACM in the game.
It's almost impossible to mark "great AH sticks" because everyone has their own interpretation of how they percieve there own greatness compared to others greatness. "He stays alive all the time" he's great!". "He is the best dueler in the game" he's great. "He gets the most kills" hes great. But all of these single things are marked by players who have different ideas about what they are trying to accomplish. The guy who gets the most kills may not be the best dueler in then game. You may stay alive the longest, but not really get that many kills.
I think it just comes down to experience and overall knowledge of the game and the different aspects of which you choose to "be great at".
An outstanding answer sir. :salute
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Whenever these types of conversations airse I often have to think this is really what it comes down too.
I mean I use to fight Bighorn many years ago and I thought this dude was the best I've ever seen. I never saw him in the MA, and every single time in the DA he would graciously kick my arse and even let me film, and he taught me a lot about ACM in the game.
It's almost impossible to mark "great AH sticks" because everyone has their own interpretation of how they percieve there own greatness compared to others greatness. "He stays alive all the time" he's great!". "He is the best dueler in the game" he's great. "He gets the most kills" hes great. But all of these single things are marked by players who have different ideas about what they are trying to accomplish. The guy who gets the most kills may not be the best dueler in then game. You may stay alive the longest, but not really get that many kills.
I think it just comes down to experience and overall knowledge of the game and the different aspects of which you choose to "be great at".
There still might be hope for this thread. Well said.
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A great pilot is one who cuts his or her engine at the top of a loop. :rock
It amazes me that some players think that works. I guess you can chalk it up to one more sucker buying into an AH myth.
ack-ack
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There still might be hope for this thread. Well said.
Never give up.... Never surrender. :)
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Qualities of a good pilot in Aces High. Hmm.
#1 Patience, understanding of the mechanics of the game, from lag to rubber bullets or teleporting planes.
#2 Good ACM knowledge and the willing to share it with new players.
#3 Good sense of humour and unwillingness to participate in the purse fights of ch 200.
#4 Ability to be flexible and not stay the same stagnate gameplay/route and expect things to be different.
#5 Being a friend to a new player and taking the time to welcome them to the game.
:airplane:
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To be a " nice" pilit................
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Just ask him. He'll tell you all about himself. :rofl
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Never give up.... Never surrender. :)
And there you go .
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SkyRock<----great AH pilot...
SkyRock<---- owns __________. fill in the blank with all the rest! :aok
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SkyRock<----great AH pilot...
SkyRock<---- owns __________. fill in the blank with all the rest! :aok
Could you perhaps expand on the details and why Skyrock is a great AH pilot?
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When you can move like this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHxxj1oBeI#t=84 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHxxj1oBeI#t=84)
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So you are stating that all the "great" pilots of AH past & present are nothing more than "gamers of the game"?
As this game does not fully simulate real flight in all areas.....and we are not involved in combat with real aircraft, we are all gamers of the game......the best are just the best at it.....so yes... :old:
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As this game does not fully simulate real flight in all areas.....and we are not involved in combat with real aircraft, we are all gamers of the game......the best are just the best at it.....so yes... :old:
An honest and thoughtful answer.
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So you are stating that all the "great" pilots of AH past & present are nothing more than "gamers of the game"?
I agree with Canspec 100%. But this wasn't as rampant back then, as it is now.
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I agree with Canspec 100%. But this wasn't as rampant back then, as it is now.
that's pretty much it right there..... I fly to have fun and have fun with my friends I could care less about score, rank or perks... I understand there's a lot of competitive people who feel the need that they have to be number one.... reality check it's a cartoon game.
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well, u are all wrong, a fighter guy can never be better than a bomber. :bolt:
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Since it hasn't exactly been said yet:
I think an important measure of "greatness" (in anything) is being equally respected/admired by those you compete AGAINST as you are by those who are on your side.
My two cents.
<S>
Ryno
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Scavenger (Terry Naughton) never flew Aces High (though I'm sure he woulda). I missed getting to know this guy (in more than epitath) by a couple of years. I think we woulda gotten along just fine:
I go diving down (http://people.redhat.com/zaitcev/avia/scav.html)
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Here's the true definition of a great pilot:
He's the guy who orders all the rounds at the table, all the while animatedly telling you of his last great run whilst simultaneously peeing on your shoe, winking at the waitress and feeling up your wife. When the Bar Tab comes he extends to reset.
LOL.
Great thread BTW!
:cheers:
RTR
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As this game does not fully simulate real flight in all areas.....and we are not involved in combat with real aircraft, we are all gamers of the game......the best are just the best at it.....so yes... :old:
I think the very best sticks in game are able to able move beyond the notions of how an aircraft should perform in various circumstances, to perfecting how an aircraft does perform and what it is really capable of doing as modeled in the game. They think out of the box and with much practice, are able to make the cartoon planes perform in unexpected ways. Also alot have a better ability to think in 3D when gaming in a 2D environment.
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I think the very best sticks in game are able to able move beyond the notions of how an aircraft should perform in various circumstances, to perfecting how an aircraft does perform and what it is really capable of as modeled in the game. They think out of the box and with much practice are able to make the cartoon planes perform in unexpected ways. Also alot have a better ability to think in 3D when gaming in a 2D environment.
Well said!
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Could you perhaps expand on the details and why Skyrock is a great AH pilot?
Because he talk in 3rd person ofcourse :D
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Mongo only pawn in game of life. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10)
Hey, you can't park that animal over there. It's illegal. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0ws)
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Because he talk in 3rd person of course :D
Well...he writes like this guy who 's book I once read. Kinda famous in his day. Bit of an egomaniac but brilliant. Like Skyrock he was famous for "pwn'ing" everything everywhere he went and everything he saw.
Sadly he came to a bad end....stabbed in the back by a friend.
Et tu, Brute?
:D :lol :banana: :banana:
:bolt:
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The guy that doesn't no me on the merge then sticks around and fights to the end....and win or loose throws out a salute, or answers a salute given. IMHO the qualities of a great AH pilot has nothing to do with skill. I've met some of the greatest cartoon pilots in game that aren't even close to the most skilled
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The one who does not reply in this thread about flying abilities... just how many old dopes that he has noticed have replied.....
:)
NwBie
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The greatest AH pilots are the ones who never forget it's a game and will fight you any time any place regardless of the odds just cause they know they're not really dying :)
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SkyRock<----great AH pilot...
SkyRock<---- owns __________. fill in the blank with all the rest! :aok
SkyRock<---- owns Nomak, Nomak pwns Morpheus, Morpheus pwns TC, TC pwns Nomak, Nomak owns -----> SkyRock :D :bolt: guess no one has figured it out yet! batfink said it on these boards a long time ago!
:cheers: ( always loved that movie, Arlo ROFL )
TC
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In order of importance to me (first being most important).
- A good marksman (nice flying never killed anyone)
- Good SA (being aware of your surroundings first, empowers you to make the best decision when it comes to BFM/ACM later
- Knowledge of ACM, specifically, judging Energy states, knowing when to press an attack or feign one to create a rope or energy trap(when flying defensively)
<Snip>
Personality traits:
Confident
Patient
Objective
Disciplined
Side note: Whenever these people die, they don't blame anyone but themselves.
Yep. This is pretty much it. Good skill, and good attitude. You have to have both.
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Sorry for the late answer, blame my timezone. Had to sleep.
Again, this is your opinion, you're entitled to it
Thought this thread was about personal opinions, or am i mistaken?
Ya think? It's too bad you aren't flying anymore, that means there could never be any more great pilots. As they need to pass your test.
Exactly. Pure luck i know quite a few pilots who are at the same skill level as me or above, even more, they are still playing. For some reason, i rather trust in their stories than in others's.
That is perfectly humble and not ego driven and hypocritical in anyway. In fact, it's probably the most objective answer in this thread. :rolleyes:
Well, im an egoist, thats why i said, anyone who has willing to fight and give me some fun is a good pilot in my book and i would happily play this game with or against him.
Not sure where i went hypocritical though.
Also not sure where i did hurt your feelings. Exuse me, i am such a dbag.
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I'd have to disagree with some of this. How can one possibly apply ACM effectively without possessing SA, especially given the importance of timing?
I should have said this...ACM is more important to make a player go from good to great.
A lot of the top 50 Fighter pilots in game currently(by rank) have good SA....so they don't get placed into a situation where they don't need to time a thing...they always have the upper hand in the fight, just need to beat the other guys E down and make a shot. But these same pilots can't fight their way out of a ball pin, one con on their six and they are screaming for help getting mad at others around for not clearing their six. (Only defensive maneuver they know is the split S kinda guys)
A lot of the other top 50(some of which I consider great pilots, or know them to be great) will act the exact opposite....
"Hey so an so, need help with the high______"
Great pilot "No I got em"
a few minutes later that high plane is either running to ack or is falling to the ground in flames. Ownage is having all the cards against you(ride, alt, E) and flipping it around and shooting the other guy down.
SA is not a perfect thing in this game of simulated combat or in real combat. The unexpected high con, ambush, mission is going to throw a wrench in the best made plans....that's why you train so your immediate action kicks in and you can handle anything thrown at you. Great pilots handle it.
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Thought this thread was about personal opinions, or am i mistaken?
You were not mistaken. There is no need to apologize for what you have stated. As several have already noted, the opinions on this topic will vary to some degree.
Exactly. Pure luck i know quite a few pilots who are at the same skill level as me or above, even more, they are still playing. For some reason, i rather trust in their stories than in others's.
Fair enough.
Also not sure where i did hurt your feelings. Exuse me, i am such a dbag.
I don't believe you hurt anyones feelings. No one here views you as a "dbag".
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Wasnt talking to you though... unless you are Kruel.
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Sorry for the late answer, blame my timezone. Had to sleep.Thought this thread was about personal opinions, or am i mistaken?
Exactly. Pure luck i know quite a few pilots who are at the same skill level as me or above, even more, they are still playing. For some reason, i rather trust in their stories than in others's.
Well, im an egoist, thats why i said, anyone who has willing to fight and give me some fun is a good pilot in my book and i would happily play this game with or against him.
Not sure where i went hypocritical though.
Also not sure where i did hurt your feelings. Exuse me, i am such a dbag.
I don't think you understood the question, it was more general in nature, to list your criteria, so that we can all discuss them, but if your criteria is that the great pilots must beat you to be considered great *by everyone else*.
That's hypocritical because it's OK for you to have an Ego but for others it's not.
Either way I think there was a misunderstanding. No feelings were hurt, lol.
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Wasnt talking to you though... unless you are Kruel.
Yes, I am Kruel. Haven't you heard? I'm everyone! ;)
Kidding of course....keep it light. :aok
Seriously, if you wish to take this private via PMs feel free to do so. If you post on a public thread you have to expect responses....especially from the OP who is, in this case, me.....unless I'm Kruel...or Vraciu....er....or am I Midway? I'm so confused. :D
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the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him
so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money
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the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him
so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money
All the gear in the world won't give you the ability to know what to do with it. My TrackIR and pedals make me personally better than I'd be without them, but they didn't suddenly turn me into a monster. The time I put in turned me into an adequate player moreso than the gear by far.
Also, time doesn't magically give you an edge if you keep making the same mistakes over and over. There are plenty of middle of the road sticks in the game that have been here for years, and they're perfectly happy doing what they do. They have fun, they fly their planes, and if they get into a 1v1 with a top shelf player they're likely not going to survive.
IMO you have to choose to work to improve yourself to get better, and that's largely independent of your gear.
Edit: And there are plenty of decent pilots who are reviled by many. Gotta say, I disagree with every point.
Wiley.
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the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him
so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money
I disagree with your entire statement.
There are plenty of good sticks that don't use CH gear nor do they use TrackIr. This argument is completely bogus.
There are people who have been playing this game for 10 years and are owned by people who gave played for 5 years, so that is bogus too.
No disrespect, but you sound jaded.
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the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him
so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money
If this were true....the previous statement of "Skyrock owns ----> __________" would have read "Fulcrum owns ------> ______".
Seriously dude....have you SEEN my setup?! :D
I do it for immersion and the fun of tinkering with it....to be honest I think it actually makes me WORSE at AH!
Sorry man...I can't agree with the statement.
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It's not necessarily your set up.
It's how familiar and comfortable you are with it.
I use rudder peds (CH) and X52
I can't use a twisty for the life of me. If I were to have to use a twisty and not be too familiarized with the buttons, I'd suck. I'd still know how to use the ACM and perform them, but I wouldn't be as solid, I wouldn't have the look up view and look around views like how I like them. I tend to always turn the twisty on accident causing me to fly slower than normal. It's just hard.
I think stick familiarity and stick set up (where you remember where your buttons are) preferences go a long way.
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It's not necessarily your set up.
It's how familiar and comfortable you are with it.
I use rudder peds (CH) and X52
I can't use a twisty for the life of me. If I were to have to use a twisty and not be too familiarized with the buttons, I'd suck. I'd still know how to use the ACM and perform them, but I wouldn't be as solid, I wouldn't have the look up view and look around views like how I like them. I tend to always turn the twisty on accident causing me to fly slower than normal. It's just hard.
I think stick familiarity and stick set up preferences go a long way.
Oh I agree....a good HOTAS set helps quite a bit...but to say that's the defining factor is a bit over the top.
TrackIR also gives many advantages as well...some of which are not completely apparent! Example: My alieron and elevator trims are mapped to one of my stick hats (similar to what you see on a modern fighter). When I first started AH I used that HAT for views...but TRACKIR allowed me to use it for what it's meant for! Helps quite a bit when riding the edge of compressibility in a dive....no need to reach for the keyboard to trim up if you do go over the threshold.
So yes, a good setup helps...but to say it makes one "good"....I can't get behind supporting that idea.
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Lol
I did not say gear will turn you magically into a super player (but yet the gear cost hell of lot money...)... Thats first second, if you are not disabled or anything and if you have enough time to spend on this game , like it or not you will learn with time not to do same mistakes... (some will do the same mistake 1000s before they learn that they should not do it, some will learn it after first couple times...)
and I said CH bcuz as far as I know ch gear is the best quality for price out there. And Track Ir helps a lot if not with anything just by simple by freeing up your 8 way hut switch
which you can use for trim or many other functions.
and of course money is time... if you have to work 8 - 12 hours a day and play when ever you have some time... you can never be able to be come the best player who can play 12-16hhours a day with out any financial concern , buy all the stuff that might help him to become a better pilot etc...
basically , main idea of all of this is , you ll get better on things where you put time&money to get better.
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I'd say I rank somewhere above average and it has nothing to do with equipment. Equipment can help but its incremental at best and doesn't, in any way, substitute for knowledge and experience.
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The quantum leaps I found were getting off the twisty and onto pedals, and getting TrackIR. Those two purchases allowed me to do things I couldn't do without them. As far as stick goes, if you have enough functionality to run throttle, pitch, and roll, flaps, bang switch, and ideally elevator trim, the rest of it is convenience as far as I'm concerned.
It's still the operator, and unless they're actively working at it, most people will plateau well below 'great'.
Wiley.
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Lol
I did not say gear will turn you magically into a super player (but yet the gear cost hell of lot money...)... Thats first second, if you are not disabled or anything and if you have enough time to spend on this game , like it or not you will learn with time not to do same mistakes... (some will do the same mistake 1000s before they learn that they should not do it, some will learn it after first couple times...)
and I said CH bcuz as far as I know ch gear is the best quality for price out there. And Track Ir helps a lot if not with anything just by simple by freeing up your 8 way hut switch
which you can use for trim or many other functions.
and of course money is time... if you have to work 8 - 12 hours a day and play when ever you have some time... you can never be able to be come the best player who can play 12-16hhours a day with out any financial concern , buy all the stuff that might help him to become a better pilot etc...
basically , main idea of all of this is , you ll get better on things where you put time&money to get better.
Ahhh OK. With these clarifications I agree with your statements.... except for the CH stuff....I'm a Thrustmaster / VKB guy myself. :D
It's still the operator, and unless they're actively working at it, most people will plateau well below 'great'.
Agreed...and this would be me. I'm honestly OK with that. :)
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the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him
so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money
This is horribl wrong, I'd have to say I'm definitely above average and I fly with a cheap wireless mouse, a cheap laptop, and a cheap pair of headphones. :noid
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Agreed...and this would be me. I'm honestly OK with that. :)
Me too. I kind of cycle in my desire to get better. Occasionally I get the itch to figure something out or improve myself, then I put in the effort. Most of the time I'm just doing what I do and occasionally I notice something that improves my abilities. It's a slooooow way to get better though.
An hour with a good trainer when I'm in the mood to be attentive and absorb what they're saying is better than months of knocking around on my own most of the time. :)
Wiley.
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So yes, a good setup helps...but to say it makes one "good"....I can't get behind supporting that idea.
This player would disagree...it seems that using rudder pedals elevates ones skills beyond measure.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/hammerdown_zps9a175d79.jpg)
ack-ack
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This player would disagree...it seems that using rudder pedals elevates ones skills beyond measure.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/hammerdown_zps9a175d79.jpg)
ack-ack
:O CHEATER!!!
Funny what different people see as an 'unfair' advantage.
I don't consider it unfair, but IMO a 3 monitor setup is one of the bigger advantages a person can get in this game over others that don't have it. Different priorities in what people think helps most I guess. :)
Wiley.
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Me too. I kind of cycle in my desire to get better. Occasionally I get the itch to figure something out or improve myself, then I put in the effort. Most of the time I'm just doing what I do and occasionally I notice something that improves my abilities. It's a slooooow way to get better though.
An hour with a good trainer when I'm in the mood to be attentive and absorb what they're saying is better than months of knocking around on my own most of the time. :)
Wiley.
In the same boat...I pretty much do what I do and very slowly improve. I only started with a trainer last year...helped with some parts of my game that I couldnt figure out on my own.
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:O CHEATER!!!
Funny what different people see as an 'unfair' advantage.
I don't consider it unfair, but IMO a 3 monitor setup is one of the bigger advantages a person can get in this game over others that don't have it. Different priorities in what people think helps most I guess. :)
Wiley.
I have one. It has its advantages as well but takes time to really grasp them. Looks cool tho'! :aok
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I think just getting in the DA and dueling/filming with anyone is some of the best practice and learning experience for this game.
If Anyone ever needs advanced help or defense training, E training, stall fighting, what to do when someone is on your 6. Give me a PM or give me a shout in the game. I'm always down to help out!
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This player would disagree...it seems that using rudder pedals elevates ones skills beyond measure.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/hammerdown_zps9a175d79.jpg)
ack-ack
LOL Foul mouthed little turkey isn't he? By the way, what is a ruddel pedal? :lol
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By the way, what is a ruddel pedal? :lol
I think its a kind of pastry....Damn Ack Ack and his cheating advantages using pastries!
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I think its a kind of pastry....Damn Ack Ack and his cheating advantages using pastries!
He has the Power Pastries...and he knows how to use them!
- Flesh Oldman
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I'd have to disagree with some of this. How can one possibly apply ACM effectively without possessing SA, especially given the importance of timing?
I should have said this...ACM is more important to make a player go from good to great.
A player with average to below average SA but is above average or better in his ACM knowledge isn't going to be all that successful and will have a tougher time going from good to great without the SA to back it up. A person with average SA and ACM skills will have the advantage because he would be able to process the information and act on it quicker then the guy with good ACM but lousy SA and will be the one eventually that goes from average to good to eventually great.
There is more to situational awareness than just knowing what enemy planes are around you.
I think Latrobe nailed it pretty much on the head but I wouldn't characterize it as what makes a player great, but rather what makes a player successful. I'd change "over all fighting skills" to "tactics" but Latrobe could have meant the same thing.
1. Knowledge of ACM and overall fighting skills; fighting the angles and E. Doesn't matter if you're a crack shot if you can't maneuver for a shot.
1. Gunnery. You can out fly your opponent all day long but if you can't shoot him then you can't kill him.
1. SA. Even if you're a crack shot and have hotshot ace piloting skills you can still be killed if you aren't aware of your surroundings.
There is no order of importance, they are all equally important.
Personally, I think a lot of players place a ranking of importance to ACM, SA and gunnery with ACM usually being what is ranked #1 when again, Latrobe is correct is that there is no order of importance, they are all equally important. A player has to work just has hard on their gunnery and SA skills as they do with their ACM and become equally proficient in all three.
ack-ack
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i didna read all 9 pages of this post:::i think the qualities of a great pilot-in this game is a pilot no matter how good or bad, can get shot down and not cuss said player on 200 or send nasty or cruel pm's
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I stink, but get a kill once in awhile. I use an old loose logitech 3D, a crappy PC with graphics turned down and have serious frame rate issues.
When I do get one of you guys with your highfalutin set-ups, you basically took your Bugatti to the track and got smoked by a stock Pinto with a K&N filter and a Monster sticker on the side.
*Hey, I almost sorta trash talked!!! I'm heading to the other thread :x
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:devil
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Was that pastries or pasties? Most 38* pile-its wear counter-rotating pasties (or so I've heard). :t
*Edited - found glasses. ;0)
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SkyRock<---- owns Nomak, Nomak pwns Morpheus, Morpheus pwns TC, TC pwns Nomak, Nomak owns -----> SkyRock :D :bolt: guess no one has figured it out yet! batfink said it on these boards a long time ago!
:cheers: ( always loved that movie, Arlo ROFL )
TC
:rofl least someone gets it... :aok
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he who can pull the stick far enough back without stalling out
that's all that really matters