Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: Gman on January 31, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Quite a few high performance vehicles coming out in 2015. The new dual electric motor Tesla will be a very high performance 4 door as well, and of course there are others like BMW and MB coming out with some pretty high performance 4 doors. None will touch the new Dodge SRT in terms of $/performance numbers, but that Telsa will come close IMO.
Chev has their Z06 and new track versions of the Camaro.
Ford has the fantastic new Mustangs and the recently announced new Shelby GT350 and the 350R, as well as the GT500 that was been announced.
Dodge and the SRT team has the above car and numerous others.
All of the Big 3 have a high performance truck coming around as well, Ford has already released info on their new Raptor.
It's a great time to be a gear head, so many great new vehicles, the Ford GT that everyone has talked about here already, plus the new Acura/Honda NSX looks very interesting as well. Our Nissan GTR is 5 years+ old now, and our Duramax is nearing 4, and both will likely get replaced this spring, it's very tough to decide which with. The missus really wants the new Alfa 4C for "her" performance car, but it's pretty small IMO, but very nifty none the less. I'd prefer either one of the new US made cars, either the Mustang/Vette/SRT of some type, but I'm virtually certain that our new truck won't be another diesel, and will be the new Raptor with the Ecoboost boosted motor.
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Post by: eagl on January 31, 2015, 11:47:17 PM
I like the front end styling of the 2015 charger a lot more than prev models. A lot less faux gangster, looks like they paid a tiny bit of attention to aero effects. Less of a "hey we have a hemi so to hell with aerodynamics" no-brain brute force approach.
And it still gets an advertised 22 mpg on the highway haha.
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Post by: Saxman on February 01, 2015, 08:24:22 AM
I like the front end styling of the 2015 charger a lot more than prev models. A lot less faux gangster, looks like they paid a tiny bit of attention to aero effects. Less of a "hey we have a hemi so to hell with aerodynamics" no-brain brute force approach.
And it still gets an advertised 22 mpg on the highway haha.
I liked the brutish look. The overengineered aerodynamics of the Mustang spoil the looks of the car to me, making it look like some ricer wannabe, not American muscle.
And damn does it make the police variants look intimidating.
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Post by: ink on February 01, 2015, 02:21:46 PM
thats awesome, you wont find a bigger MOPAR fan then I...but damn I hate the look of the new chargers.
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Post by: Hajo on February 01, 2015, 05:40:18 PM
That Hellcat would play havoc with my insurance, and the quantity of points on my license.
:rock
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Post by: Hetzer7 on February 02, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
too bad its a four-door. A two-door version would sell pretty well i think, esp the muscle versions. Wish I still had my 340 cuda... :P
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Post by: Rich46yo on February 03, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
Ive always been a Mustang guy but were I to buy muscle right now I night have to give the nod to this Charger.
First off I Like a "Sleeper". A "Sleeper" is a 4 door sedan with a mountain of muscle under the hood and can blow away sport cars. I had one once in the '70s, a 4 door '66 Caprice with a 396 under the hood, after market Holley and exhaust and other goodies. If you missed the performance flags on the fenders you'd think you were up against a dog.
Were I to buy this car I'd want the sedan. I think its sharp. Cadillac is also building a 4 door rocket ship in 2015. Amazing times for American muscle. :aok
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Post by: ink on February 03, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
Ive always been a Mustang guy but were I to buy muscle right now I night have to give the nod to this Charger.
First off I Like a "Sleeper". A "Sleeper" is a 4 door sedan with a mountain of muscle under the hood and can blow away sport cars. I had one once in the '70s, a 4 door '66 Caprice with a 396 under the hood, after market Holley and exhaust and other goodies. If you missed the performance flags on the fenders you'd think you were up against a dog.
Were I to buy this car I'd want the sedan. I think its sharp. Cadillac is also building a 4 door rocket ship in 2015. Amazing times for American muscle. :aok
well hell...that's the problem right there........... :t
:neener:
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Post by: Saxman on February 03, 2015, 03:20:48 PM
well hell...that's the problem right there........... :t
:neener:
After seeing the Fustang (because let's face it, they just a Pony label on the front end of a Fusion and called it a day) they released in 2015, I'm sticking with my Challenger. Unless I can ever get a first generation.
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: ink on February 03, 2015, 04:55:20 PM
After seeing the Fustang (because let's face it, they just a Pony label on the front end of a Fusion and called it a day) they released in 2015, I'm sticking with my Challenger. Unless I can ever get a first generation.
biggest mistake in my life was selling mine :cry
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Post by: -ammo- on February 03, 2015, 04:58:09 PM
Nice car except its a dodge. I can't wait to face off with one and send the driver home embarrassed :rock
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: ink on February 03, 2015, 05:02:32 PM
I was never embarrassed losing in my Challenger....never....it did happen 3 times that I recall......
1 to a benz and twice to other MOPARS :D
just like flying in AH(except for the horrible crash and burn if you screw up) racing is against the other driver not so much the car.
My opinion is tainted being an owner of a 2014 Shelby. I personally think the late model Challengers are great looking cars and the Hellcats are vicious! I want to post up against one soon
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 03, 2015, 05:20:38 PM
I never understood brand loyalty.
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: -ammo- on February 03, 2015, 05:22:06 PM
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: PR3D4TOR on February 03, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
Currently a Merc.
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: jeep00 on February 03, 2015, 06:41:13 PM
Does it still corner like a parade float? Wallow through the twistys like finding your favorite spot in a recliner? :bolt:
Very nice car, very fast, same with others mentioned, I just don't get the fascination with going in a straight line and truly would not want one and would sell it if I won one.
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: Saxman on February 03, 2015, 07:28:10 PM
Nice car except its a dodge. I can't wait to face off with one and send the driver home embarrassed :rock
Somewhere I saw video of a race between a Challenger Hellcat and the C7 Z06. The Corvette was faster off the line (mainly because the Hellcat spun a bit before it got traction), but the Hellcat still beat it in the quarter mile. And NOT by a narrow margin, either.
That seems to be the biggest complain I've read about the Hellcat; it's tricky to get rolling because it likes to spin its tires even with a light foot on the gas.
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Post by: Hajo on February 03, 2015, 10:28:27 PM
Does it still corner like a parade float? Wallow through the twistys like finding your favorite spot in a recliner? :bolt:
Very nice car, very fast, same with others mentioned, I just don't get the fascination with going in a straight line and truly would not want one and would sell it if I won one.
Just in case you dint know a Challenger won the current T/A series defeating Mustangs and Camaros.
So ya...obviously they can corner :O
HEMI.....known world wide. Always has been a winner. Always will be.
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Post by: Masherbrum on February 03, 2015, 10:35:53 PM
Just in case you dint know a Challenger won the current T/A series defeating Mustangs and Camaros.
So ya...obviously they can corner :O
You'll also notice the Challenger is in more commercials and series then either Mustang or Camaro.
HEMI.....known world wide. Always has been a winner. Always will be.
Stock Challenger/Mustang/Camaro cannot be compared to those T/A series cars. No way, no how. Having driven a souped up Roush Challenger T/A, I was not a fan of the understeer. But since we're now peddling a "forced to buy an automatic" Charger. No thanks. They will end up being mall crawlers.
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: JOACH1M on February 03, 2015, 11:05:10 PM
Only true test is having all three cars drove straight from factory, and put onto track with same driver and raced multiple times.
ANY modifications or different driver will void the test results :)
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Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on February 03, 2015, 11:59:49 PM
Only true test is having all three cars drove straight from factory, and put onto track with same driver and raced multiple times.
ANY modifications or different driver will void the test results :)
ShHhHHHhHHhhh...dont use your logic around motor heads, its the same as asking whos aircraft is better then the other's. ;)
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Post by: Gman on February 04, 2015, 07:47:49 AM
This probably deserves a thread of its own, but the new Shelby 350R Mustang just set a record going around the Nurburgring, beating the previously held record for an American made factory "muscle" car by 5 seconds, (Z28).
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: Hajo on February 04, 2015, 08:03:24 AM
Stock Challenger/Mustang/Camaro cannot be compared to those T/A series cars. No way, no how. Having driven a souped up Roush Challenger T/A, I was not a fan of the understeer. But since we're now peddling a "forced to buy an automatic" Charger. No thanks. They will end up being mall crawlers.
Not a Charger fan either Karaya. Challenger however.......... ;) Since I own an SRT :aok
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: -ammo- on February 04, 2015, 08:44:26 AM
This probably deserves a thread of its own, but the new Shelby 350R Mustang just set a record going around the Nurburgring, beating the previously held record for an American made factory "muscle" car by 5 seconds, (Z28).
Have you read the recently released teasers about the 2016 GT500? 740+ HP! Holy Rocketship Batman!
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: -ammo- on February 04, 2015, 08:47:18 AM
Somewhere I saw video of a race between a Challenger Hellcat and the C7 Z06. The Corvette was faster off the line (mainly because the Hellcat spun a bit before it got traction), but the Hellcat still beat it in the quarter mile. And NOT by a narrow margin, either.
That seems to be the biggest complain I've read about the Hellcat; it's tricky to get rolling because it likes to spin its tires even with a light foot on the gas.
Ain't no doubt about it - the Hellcat cars are beasts. I've read where they are very docile and pleasant to drive until you go full throttle. Then things get quite violent.
I would love to try one out though. I think my car is a bit lighter albeit with about 45 less HP. I think it will come down to driver and tires.
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Post by: JOACH1M on February 04, 2015, 08:48:21 AM
Stock Challenger/Mustang/Camaro cannot be compared to those T/A series cars. No way, no how. Having driven a souped up Roush Challenger T/A, I was not a fan of the understeer. But since we're now peddling a "forced to buy an automatic" Charger. No thanks. They will end up being mall crawlers.
I priced out a charger hellcat for toejams and giggles and was quite bothered that it didn't have the manual option. That takes away from the whole sports car them... Even my truck is a manual, its like my little sports car...but bigger :) #SRT6
Ain't no doubt about it - the Hellcat cars are beasts. I've read where they are very docile and pleasant to drive until you go full throttle. Then things get quite violent.
I would love to try one out though. I think my car is a bit lighter albeit with about 45 less HP. I think it will come down to driver and tires.
Violent is what makes a muscle car a "muscle car" nothing smooth and gentle about raw American horse power :) :rock
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Post by: Gman on February 04, 2015, 09:17:01 AM
Manual trans isn't as much of a "must have" with newer sports cars, at least not like it was.
I was the same, all my cars were manual when I first started driving performance cars, my RX7 in 94, my Stealth Turbo in 95, both my Firebirds, my Corvettes, our Viper - etc. I wouldn't "settle" for an auto either, although a couple of older classic cars had them.
Now auto trans technology is insane, and some types will perform far faster than any manual ever could, and with all the computer controls actually give the driver more control and options. The new Corvette Z06 is supposedly faster with the auto trans than the manual, not just in drag strip racing but on the track as well. My missus's current summer car, until this spring anyhow, is an auto trans, and is one of the best performing street or track cars you could buy for the $ in the late 2000s until only a couple years ago (Nissan GTR). So far as the violent feel you're talking about, Jeremy Clarkson put himself in the hospital with a Nissan GTR when they first came out by screwing his neck and back up in hard cornering. Believe me, it's a very uncomfortable feeling for passengers that haven't been in a high performance car like that when you start to toss it around.
I still like rowing around myself too, but I also like a lot of the advanced tech and options with some of the newer auto transmissions as well, it's car to car, and there is no longer any negative performance impacts by going with an auto in many, many cars now. In fact, with a lot of the dual clutch and other types of advances, it's the opposite effect in a lot of cases. I'm at the point now where I wouldn't rule out a car because of an auto only trans, some don't even give you the option in any case now. We're selling the GTR in the spring, and the car she wants next is most likely the Alfa 4c, and you can't even get a manual with it. I want the Z06, and probably would still get the manual, but the auto has appeal as well.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 04, 2015, 12:34:47 PM
I'll retract my statement about the 2016 GT500 having 740+ HP. It is pure speculation I read somewhere.
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Post by: Masherbrum on February 04, 2015, 12:49:12 PM
Gman, I enjoy the fluidity of taking the track with a manual. If I had a viable track car, it would only be a manual. IMO, vehicles of this nature should be taken on a track. I probably take it more serious than most, but I have a very good track about an hour away from me. My buddy and I race his Porsche 914. Not lighting up the speed, but pushing the envelope in corners, is an adrenaline rush that cannot be replicated by anything else.
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Post by: JOACH1M on February 04, 2015, 01:23:29 PM
Gman, I enjoy the fluidity of taking the track with a manual. If I had a viable track car, it would only be a manual. IMO, vehicles of this nature should be taken on a track. I probably take it more serious than most, but I have a very good track about an hour away from me. My buddy and I race his Porsche 914. Not lighting up the speed, but pushing the envelope in corners, is an adrenaline rush that cannot be replicated by anything else.
I have yet to make my way down by you...I do hope some day i do and do a few laps!
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Post by: jeep00 on February 04, 2015, 04:27:16 PM
Gman, I enjoy the fluidity of taking the track with a manual. If I had a viable track car, it would only be a manual. IMO, vehicles of this nature should be taken on a track. I probably take it more serious than most, but I have a very good track about an hour away from me. My buddy and I race his Porsche 914. Not lighting up the speed, but pushing the envelope in corners, is an adrenaline rush that cannot be replicated by anything else.
This. I used to do hill clmbs in my 1984 Audi 4000S Quattro. No where near the vehicle others were running (even had one of the Rutan's on the circuit) but what a blast of a time, uphill and downhill turns and corners, short straights, outstanding feeling beating your time each run, not nearly the same feeling as racing in a short straight line. And made doubly fun by stirring around that shifter for every ounce it was worth.
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Post by: icepac on February 04, 2015, 06:12:48 PM
Automatic transmissions make lots of heat in racing situations.
Far more than the stock systems can get rid of for any length of time.
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Post by: Hajo on February 04, 2015, 06:49:46 PM
Stock Challenger/Mustang/Camaro cannot be compared to those T/A series cars. No way, no how. Having driven a souped up Roush Challenger T/A, I was not a fan of the understeer. But since we're now peddling a "forced to buy an automatic" Charger. No thanks. They will end up being mall crawlers.
That's a given.
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on February 04, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
Blah factory stock 4 door sedan blah blah ... BMW M5 ... blah blah bwak bwak. :old:
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 05, 2015, 12:42:40 PM
So far as the violent feel you're talking about, Jeremy Clarkson put himself in the hospital with a Nissan GTR when they first came out by screwing his neck and back up in hard cornering. Believe me, it's a very uncomfortable feeling for passengers that haven't been in a high performance car like that when you start to toss it around.
I never understood why people even buy this sort of cars. I wouldn't want to drive a bed of rocks as a daily driver no matter how fast it moves. A car has to be silent and comfortable but accelerate fast enough for overtakes. Just like my 500 Mercedes.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 05, 2015, 01:41:23 PM
I never understood why people even buy this sort of cars. I wouldn't want to drive a bed of rocks as a daily driver no matter how fast it moves. A car has to be silent and comfortable but accelerate fast enough for overtakes. Just like my 500 Mercedes.
It's a man thing
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Post by: Gman on February 05, 2015, 02:40:15 PM
Oh I agree, up to a point, but "vluidity" isn't a manual only thing, not any longer. Here is a his and hers picture. You can guess which one was mine pretty easily, and it was manual vs auto as well. Her car (GTR) would smoke almost every car anyone here has driven, both on the street or on any track, in any weather condition. That was when it was stock, and after the Alpha 9 mods - fuggetaboutit. That's all I'm saying. And technology has improved drastically since 2009. I prefer manual typically as well, just to feel involved in the process, but the reality is auto transmissions now with the current tech can and are blowing manuals away. They shift faster than any human can, predict and control downshifts and RPM control, all that sort of stuff, with computers monitoring and adjusting a thousand little sensor driven bits of data - it's just at the point IMO where cars like the GTR, which ours is 6 years old now, simply aren't going to be outperformed with a manual like days gone by. My original point was that "having" to have a manual trans for performance purposes just isn't the case any more, as more and more performance cars are taking advantage of the speed and computing power out there that these new types of auto trans provide.
Vintage cars, especially track cars - I agree completely. I was in the Alberta and B.C. 240z club for nearly a decade, and used to have 3 of them, and put one of them on the track all the time. Good times.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 05, 2015, 02:44:42 PM
My car managed to pull a GTR on the A81 last summer. Fast car they are and in their element on the track. I picked a fight where I knew I had the advantage. I do have go pro footage but since the GTR never got in front of me, useless to post
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Post by: Gman on February 05, 2015, 03:54:50 PM
That was your supercharged mustang right? In a straight line, you can make any performance car beat another with aftermarket mods. There is always a faster car, especially without tight corners/track. Before we modded the GTR we raced a couple ZR1s, and both the Vettes were faster under most highway conditions and in the 1/4 mile. On the Ring in Germany, it's much closer. The stock 2009 GTR Nurburgring times are only a couple seconds slower than what the Ford 350R just did a number of weeks ago. The GTR with just the cheapest of the Alpha mods, typically the 9 kit, I've seen beat 800whp Shelbys with ease in drags, let alone on the tracks. Our GTR club here in Canada has dozens if not hundreds of 1000hp+ cars, and many in the 1200hp++ range now. It's like an arms race, it never ends. And for every modded GTR there is 5 modded Shelbys or even stock Mustangs and 10 Corvettes that will compete with them. One thing the GTR does give in real world peformance is that AWD in misty/wet weather - I always say every time we hit weather like that, it's like a cat, and just seems to dig its claws in further, where as other performance cars we've had seem like driving on hockey pucks once a bit of water flies.
How do you think your old car compared with a newer Shelby GT500 in terms of highway performance? We had a 2011 after we sold the Viper for a short period of time, and the GTR would beat it in straight line NP, we raced them side by side at least a dozen times in different conditions, plus the GTR would demolish it on a track setting. For the $ though the Ford would be what I'd pick doing it over, or if the wife pretended I had in a say in it, hah - I paid exactly 1/2 for the Ford as she did for the Nissan.
I sure like the new Ford Mustangs, as I said, I'm campaigning hard for the Z06, but I'll absolutely drive the 350 and whatever else Ford comes out with by summer time before deciding. The new Mustangs are incredible, part of me really wants to get a 4 cyl Ecoboost as a 2nd car and mod it and see what it will do.
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Post by: ink on February 05, 2015, 04:52:18 PM
id would have to say without shame.....
you guys are gonna crap....me being a MOPAR guy...
being a tattoo guy I have met lots of people....have driven many nice cars...
the sickest car I ever drove.....I mean the fastest...best turn holding.....awesome handling :O was a friggen Subaru.... :rofl
the WRX STi
I would race that against any car..on any road.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 05, 2015, 04:55:03 PM
I whipped a late model STI on the way home from work today. Certainly a nice car but is extremely underpowered
not the one I drove....and who knows what kinda cheekbones that guy had ;)
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besides we all know its not how fast you can go....its how fast you can go and still keep it under control....those STi's are quite insane in its handling ability...
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Post by: CAP1 on February 05, 2015, 07:20:46 PM
this is a badass car. i feel like i'm gonna puke for saying that......but i'd have one of those. if i needed a 4 door car.
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Post by: ink on February 05, 2015, 07:24:36 PM
I heard they got massive hate mail when they came out with the new 4 door charger originally :rofl
I don't understand what they were thinking, although I am pretty sure the whole reason for the 4 door was they had contracts with police....AFAIK
The STi is quick and offers reasonably good handling. However, my '86 Shelby GLHS, upgraded to the 225 hp 2.5L engine would lean all over it. One advantage the STi has is the all wheel drive, really helps from standing starts. The Sti weighs in at 3,444 lbs. That's pretty darn heavy for the power. My GLHS tipped the scales at 2,217 lbs. That means that the STi has a power to weight ratio of 11.3 lb/hp. Very good, but no match for the old Shelby at 9.85 lb/hp. My WRX was tame in comparison. Tame and not even close to the GLHS in terms of hustling around a road course. Shelby simply built a street legal race car, at a time when the fastest cars offered by other US car makers were not very impressive. This little Shelby had a very hard edge on it. Not for the nervous types.
Shelby built just 500 of these little monsters, and less than 300 survive. Originally fitted with a 175 hp 2.2L, intercooled turbo motor, they were one of the fastest cars you could buy in 1986. Three years later, I upgraded to the new 225 hp engine. I sold it not many years ago. It had few rivals... The ultimate sleeper. Hot Rod magazine tested it in 1986, with Shelby on hand. Shelby invited the SoCal Shelby club to come out with their hot rodded GT-350s. They were beaten by the little GLHS. If you can find one in decent shape, buy it. You can't go faster for less $$$.
The STi is quick and offers reasonably good handling. However, my '86 Shelby GLHS, upgraded to the 225 hp 2.5L engine would lean all over it. One advantage the STi has is the all wheel drive, really helps from standing starts. The Sti weighs in at 3,444 lbs. That's pretty darn heavy for the power. My GLHS tipped the scales at 2,217 lbs. That means that the STi has a power to weight ratio of 11.3 lb/hp. Very good, but no match for the old Shelby at 9.85 lb/hp. My WRX was tame in comparison. Tame and not even close to the GLHS in terms of hustling around a road course. Shelby simply built a street legal race car, at a time when the fastest cars offered by other US car makers were not very impressive. This little Shelby had a very hard edge on it. Not for the nervous types.
Shelby built just 500 of these little monsters, and less than 300 survive. Originally fitted with a 175 hp 2.2L, intercooled turbo motor, they were one of the fastest cars you could buy in 1986. Three years later, I upgraded to the new 225 hp engine. I sold it not many years ago. It had few rivals... The ultimate sleeper. Hot Rod magazine tested it in 1986, with Shelby on hand. Shelby invited the SoCal Shelby club to come out with their hot rodded GT-350s. They were beaten by the little GLHS. If you can find one in decent shape, buy it. You can't go faster for less $$$.
wow....haha thats crazy, but damn what an ugly car :rofl
I know the STi is heavy, just a little less then my original challenger at 3600+ but man you cant tell....I was very impressed with it....at the speeds it could take turns and the breaking ability was off the charts...going from my challenger to that thing was a whole new ball game.
the guy who owned it never took it over 100.....the first time I took it out with him in the passenger seat lt saw 100 in second gear :t
I drove it in a small town in NH with some real nice long back roads.....I put it to the test :joystick:
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Post by: jeep00 on February 06, 2015, 04:01:51 AM
The STi is quick and offers reasonably good handling. However, my '86 Shelby GLHS, upgraded to the 225 hp 2.5L engine would lean all over it. One advantage the STi has is the all wheel drive, really helps from standing starts. The Sti weighs in at 3,444 lbs. That's pretty darn heavy for the power. My GLHS tipped the scales at 2,217 lbs. That means that the STi has a power to weight ratio of 11.3 lb/hp. Very good, but no match for the old Shelby at 9.85 lb/hp. My WRX was tame in comparison. Tame and not even close to the GLHS in terms of hustling around a road course. Shelby simply built a street legal race car, at a time when the fastest cars offered by other US car makers were not very impressive. This little Shelby had a very hard edge on it. Not for the nervous types.
Shelby built just 500 of these little monsters, and less than 300 survive. Originally fitted with a 175 hp 2.2L, intercooled turbo motor, they were one of the fastest cars you could buy in 1986. Three years later, I upgraded to the new 225 hp engine. I sold it not many years ago. It had few rivals... The ultimate sleeper. Hot Rod magazine tested it in 1986, with Shelby on hand. Shelby invited the SoCal Shelby club to come out with their hot rodded GT-350s. They were beaten by the little GLHS. If you can find one in decent shape, buy it. You can't go faster for less $$$.
Those things were great. Imagine an Omni tearing you a new one lol. And they, along with the Rabbit GTI and Charger 2.2,were steps in the right direction yet got halted until Ford came out recently with the Focus ST. First thing I thought of was the little GLH. Europe has been making these "hot hatches" for some time but they never really took hold here. I was hopinf the ST was going to push that a bit.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 06, 2015, 04:37:06 AM
Not exactly stock, but if you want to an impressive little car, look up 16Vampir on YT. It's a Golf Mk1 producing 1100+ HP
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Post by: Gman on February 06, 2015, 12:24:58 PM
Great car Widewing, I always wanted one of them, same as the Ford Shogun - small cars re-purposed into monsters, it's a strange attraction. Hope you kept it.
Ammo, do you have any videos with the new car? Your old ones from Germany were great, I'd love to take the GTR there someday, or something even faster.
After the first mods, here's one of ours doing a 100mph/8 sec launch, the bog has been fixed, this was the first launch and it needed a lot of tuning after install still.
http://mfi.re/watch/4ccq1sbaad0dbbw/gtr.mp4
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Post by: -ammo- on February 06, 2015, 01:53:12 PM
Ammo, do you have any videos with the new car? Your old ones from Germany were great, I'd love to take the GTR there someday, or something even faster.
Not yet - I need a mounting bracket for my GoPro. I wished I'd had the camera mounted this past summer - had some great experiences rolling around the area. Two new M5s, a few 911s, a GT3RS, a car like your wifes, and a bunch more.
I just installed a set of Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4s on the car and wow what a great winter tire. The car is absolutely drivable with these shoes in this abysmal weather.
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Post by: Gman on February 06, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Reeling in a boosted GSXR1000 my brother in law has. Eats me on the launch but not for long, even with a 120lb passenger.
I always laugh at the "snow" button on the GTR. It actually says that - "SNOW", right on the dash button. Nearly 600 BHP factory and Z rated tires, and "SNOW" is it? Even with AWD, I still think even putting the same tire you put on yours would be dodgy up here, we get a lot of snow and ice. I would consider it stock, but not now, the "SNOW" button and close to 900whp..not so much. The little Nissan Juke with AWD and studded winters or our Duramax is the current winter car, but I would love a decent luxury/sports 4 door with winters, even one of the new ecoboost Mustangs might not be a bad winter car with the right tires. We'll see.
Hope you get a new bracket soon, your older videos were great.
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Post by: ink on February 06, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
Reeling in a boosted GSXR1000 my brother in law has. Eats me on the launch but not for long, even with a 120lb passenger.
I always laugh at the "snow" button on the GTR. It actually says that - "SNOW", right on the dash button. Nearly 600 BHP factory and Z rated tires, and "SNOW" is it? Even with AWD, I still think even putting the same tire you put on yours would be dodgy up here, we get a lot of snow and ice. I would consider it stock, but not now, the "SNOW" button and close to 900whp..not so much.
Hope you get a new bracket soon, your older videos were great.
nice :aok
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Post by: Slash27 on February 06, 2015, 05:51:46 PM
My car managed to pull a GTR on the A81 last summer. Fast car they are and in their element on the track. I picked a fight where I knew I had the advantage. I do have go pro footage but since the GTR never got in front of me, useless to post
Ah yes .. the GTR. The car to which the laws of physics seem not to apply. Such a docile car to drive too. Careful not all GTRs are equal, some might surprise you. They started at high 400 HP, newest factory Nismo one is 600HP. Also there's a couple of serious GTR-UFOs out there that look stock. I'm not looking down on your factory monster's ultimate hunting ground achievements.
Since on the subject, I might as well share one of my 'ambiance background music' vid. Viper SRT10 is 600HP yet during the whole vid he follows GTRs despite hammering in. :airplane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYPobFnJi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYPobFnJi4)
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Post by: CAP1 on February 06, 2015, 08:45:48 PM
I heard they got massive hate mail when they came out with the new 4 door charger originally :rofl
I don't understand what they were thinking, although I am pretty sure the whole reason for the 4 door was they had contracts with police....AFAIK
neither do i. i can't stand the original of the new gen chargers. the 13's don't look too bad. i kinda really like this one. i do really still think that whomever put the charger name on a 4 door car should be stabbed in the knees with an icepick. multiple times. :devil
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Post by: CAP1 on February 06, 2015, 08:48:57 PM
I heard they got massive hate mail when they came out with the new 4 door charger originally :rofl
I don't understand what they were thinking, although I am pretty sure the whole reason for the 4 door was they had contracts with police....AFAIK
almost forgot. i work on a small pd's fleet. they've got a 2010, and a 2013 charger, then a couple suv's. the 2010 sucks. slow. handles ok. the 2013 handles nice, reasonably quick. i like their tahoe the best though.
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Post by: eagl on February 06, 2015, 09:12:15 PM
What was dodge supposed to call their hemi 4-door? Intrepid? They've got the challenger for the 2-door throwback styling, so what was the 4-door supposed to be called?
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Post by: ink on February 06, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
neither do i. i can't stand the original of the new gen chargers. the 13's don't look too bad. i kinda really like this one. i do really still think that whomever put the charger name on a 4 door car should be stabbed in the knees with an icepick. multiple times. :devil
:rofl :rofl :aok
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Post by: eagl on February 06, 2015, 09:26:46 PM
Maybe the charger should have been called the dart? If it was called the dart, they could have put 900+ hp in there with 10 engine options from a 4-banger diesel to a turbocharged 8 liter V-12, and still nobody would have bought it :)
My Dad had a dart way back in the day. He said it was very nearly the ultimate sleeper since it had the "dads old box on a box" look, matched with Dodge's best motors and a relatively lightweight chassis due to the (lack of) styling. Kind of like what you could get in the late '80s and early '90s by swapping mustang performance or race parts into a Fairmont. Due to gearing he said it would float the valves at around 120, and at least keep up with almost everything chebby made that year.
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Post by: -ammo- on February 07, 2015, 04:13:14 AM
Ah yes .. the GTR. The car to which the laws of physics seem not to apply. Such a docile car to drive too. Careful not all GTRs are equal, some might surprise you. They started at high 400 HP, newest factory Nismo one is 600HP. Also there's a couple of serious GTR-UFOs out there that look stock. I'm not looking down on your factory monster's ultimate hunting ground achievements.
Since on the subject, I might as well share one of my 'ambiance background music' vid. Viper SRT10 is 600HP yet during the whole vid he follows GTRs despite hammering in. :airplane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYPobFnJi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYPobFnJi4)
From a dig, I stand no chance against a Late model GTR. But meet at 100+ on the A-Bahn, I can reel them in
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Post by: -ammo- on February 07, 2015, 04:18:10 AM
From a dig, I stand no chance against a Late model GTR. But meet at 100+ on the A-Bahn, I can reel them in
Edit - nor could I even consider a "win" against Gman's beast. Mine is stock and now considering leaving it that way. Since seeing that 2016 GT500 in spy shots, I am thinking of selling mine and buying one.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 07, 2015, 05:24:25 AM
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Post by: Widewing on February 07, 2015, 06:21:52 PM
If I were to buy just one car, solely for fun.... Caterham Seven 620R would be it. A GTR is a genteel ride in comparison, not to mention all those things not related to speed, like a roof, comfort and practicality. The 620R is like an insane terrier, and as fearsome a beast the GTR is, it would surely leave the 620R's yard immediately, lest the terrier become unhinged.
If I were to buy just one car, solely for fun.... Caterham Seven 620R would be it. A GTR is a genteel ride in comparison, not to mention all those things not related to speed, like a roof, comfort and practicality. The 620R is like an insane terrier, and as fearsome a beast the GTR is, it would surely leave the 620R's yard immediately, lest the terrier become unhinged.
What was dodge supposed to call their hemi 4-door? Intrepid? They've got the challenger for the 2-door throwback styling, so what was the 4-door supposed to be called?
anything but a charger. that name belongs solely to to the charger of yesteryear. call it the coronet hellcat or something.
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Post by: Widewing on February 07, 2015, 07:06:50 PM
Title: Re: Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat.... Pretty sporty.
Post by: Gman on February 07, 2015, 07:44:16 PM
Hah, I'd forgotten about those Chargers, with the "2.2" in nice decal graphics on the side, as if that meant something special. Those and the Daytona Turbos - they were everywhere, I can't believe I forgot about them. Didn't they make a "Shelby" one as well? Ha ha ha.
As to the 620r, ok I'll bite that hook:
That 620r review was odd, the 500hp ATom is faster in all categories and is 4 years older, yet they state that it's the fastest car in the world essentially. "No other car is like this"..except the Atom and a dozen others like it, which are actually faster. The 500hp Atom was the fastest car around Top Gear's track for a while at 1.15, the stock first generation GTR was 2 seconds behind that, with the newer ones (below) beating the 500hp Atom in 0-60 and 1/4mile (no track data yet, at least no "media" track data to compare the new 2015 GTRs to the Atom or 620r on the same tracks..yet). That particular Atom was a full half second quicker than the 620r (2.7 vs 2.2) just to 60 mph, and pulls away even more after that.
Both the these GTRs in this article are faster to 60, in the 1/4 mile, and have 40+mph higher top speed than the 620r, I have a hard time buying it would send either, much less modified 900 to 1400whp GTRs (custom vs custom, it's only fair) cars yelping from the yard.
I did drive in a Polaris Slingshot not too long ago, and I have to say I smiled and laughed the entire time, even though it was slower than most of the cars I've had recently, it was probably more fun due to the experience and other intangibles. Plus everywhere you went people wanted to talk to you about it or get a ride in it, hundreds every time you take it out. A good compromise, and a lot cheaper than an Atom. We have a deposit holding an Alfa 4c, and will sell the Nissan after 4+ years with it this spring. The 4c is far lighter, far less power, and not really a racing car, but a fun touring car. I don't really care about speed so much as I'm getting older, more about the experience, although speed is fun still. I wouldn't say no if she convinced me to get another of the newer GTRs though, but would not be convinced to spend a lot of $ modding it like the last one. I am going to drive the new SRT stuff, the new Z06, and absolutely several of the new Mustangs before making any decision for car #2. It's getting pretty tight, a lot of competition between all the manufacturers now, especially under 80$k.
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Post by: Widewing on February 07, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
That 620r review was odd, the 500hp ATom is faster in all categories and is 4 years older, yet they state that it's the fastest car in the world essentially. "No other car is like this"..except the Atom and a dozen others like it, which are actually faster. The 500hp Atom was the fastest car around Top Gear's track for a while at 1.15, the stock first generation GTR was 2 seconds behind that, with the newer ones (below) beating the 500hp Atom. That particular Atom was a full half second quicker than the 620r (2.7 vs 2.2) just to 60 mph, and pulls away even more after that.
Both the these GTRs in this article are faster to 60, in the 1/4 mile, and have 40+mph higher top speed than the 620r, I have a hard time buying it would send either, much less modified 900 to 1400whp GTRs (custom vs custom, it's only fair) cars yelping from the yard.
I did drive in a Polaris Slingshot not too long ago, and I have to say I smiled and laughed the entire time, even though it was slower than most of the cars I've had recently, it was probably more fun due to the experience and other intangibles. Plus everywhere you went people wanted to talk to you about it or get a ride in it, hundreds every time you take it out. A good compromise, and a lot cheaper than an Atom. We have a deposit holding an Alfa 4c, and will sell the Nissan after 4+ years with it this spring. The 4c is far lighter, far less power, and not really a racing car, but a fun touring car. I don't really care about speed so much as I'm getting older, more about the experience, although speed is fun still. I wouldn't say no if she convinced me to get another of the newer GTRs though, but would not be convinced to spend a lot of $ modding it like the last one. I am going to drive the new SRT stuff, the new Z06, and absolutely several of the new Mustangs before making any decision for car #2. It's getting pretty tight, a lot of competition between all the manufacturers now, especially under 80$k.
I think the video was pointing out that the Caterham was more fun than anything else. I drove an older Super Seven a few times, and it is simply far more visceral than any modern supercar. The Atoms are very fast, but they don't like going sideways at full throttle. Also keep in mind that Caterham is, essentially, an modernized Lotus 7, which first appeared in 1957. Besides, I've enjoyed going 0 to 160 mph in two seconds... Okay, that was in an F-4J off of a catapult. Still, a mighty whack in the seat of one's pants....
Almost 3 years ago, we brought on a new Engineer. He will eventually become Lead Engineer when I retire. His brother Brian is a very well to do lawyer. Brian Salamone's Lamborghini Aventador is surely the most over-the-top, and outrageous that I've seen... Check it out... Brian recently placed an order for a Veneno... I suppose that the Aventador is too tame. It'll be for sale this summer. Brian is a genuine character.....
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Post by: Gman on February 07, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Fantastic pics, I love the Gallardo and Avents, one of my best friends is a big Gallardo guy and started the club in Vancouver for the Lambo guys. I've not been in the Aventador yet, but have a fair bit of time in a few Gallos, great cars, probably my favorites.
One of the reasons we want the 4c is the light weight and "fun" factor that provides - piling on power always works, but chopping weight is an entirely different kind of experience, at least it is for me. Just be a change in another direction, plus I haven't had a 2 seater since the Viper. Like I said, the Slingshot was the most fun I've had in ages, and it really isn't all that fast, most any newer sport bike will beat it easily, not to mention higher performing cars, but that fun factor is hard to beat. I think having a passenger beside you that is laughing at the same things you are is a big part of the attraction, as dumb of an investment as they are, I could see me in one next year instead of the ecoboost Mustang as a 3rd/project car.
I don't think anyone will ever compete with cat shots for acceleration, not in a car anyway, maybe if they make a rail gun with a seat on it some day. Few people have access to that, or will ever experience it, which is a shame for us, and a good deal for you and others who have.
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Post by: CAP1 on February 08, 2015, 12:50:13 AM
Fantastic pics, I love the Gallardo and Avents, one of my best friends is a big Gallardo guy and started the club in Vancouver for the Lambo guys. I've not been in the Aventador yet, but have a fair bit of time in a few Gallos, great cars, probably my favorites.
One of the reasons we want the 4c is the light weight and "fun" factor that provides - piling on power always works, but chopping weight is an entirely different kind of experience, at least it is for me. Just be a change in another direction, plus I haven't had a 2 seater since the Viper. Like I said, the Slingshot was the most fun I've had in ages, and it really isn't all that fast, most any newer sport bike will beat it easily, not to mention higher performing cars, but that fun factor is hard to beat. I think having a passenger beside you that is laughing at the same things you are is a big part of the attraction, as dumb of an investment as they are, I could see me in one next year instead of the ecoboost Mustang as a 3rd/project car.
I don't think anyone will ever compete with cat shots for acceleration, not in a car anyway, maybe if they make a rail gun with a seat on it some day. Few people have access to that, or will ever experience it, which is a shame for us, and a good deal for you and others who have.
A couple of years ago, I met a guy with a nice yellow Gallardo. He also owns an '05 Ford GT, and a '64 Corvette convertible. Believe it or not, that Corvette is his favorite. I asked him why, and he said that it's the most raucous, loud and seat-of-the-pants fun of the three. I like old school cars, and I understood exactly what he meant. I have some shots of his Gallardo somewhere. Uploaded to MediaFire...
neither do i. i can't stand the original of the new gen chargers. the 13's don't look too bad. i kinda really like this one. i do really still think that whomever put the charger name on a 4 door car should be stabbed in the knees with an icepick. multiple times. :devil
Here..here!
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Post by: -ammo- on February 10, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
LOL. This not safe for work due to language.
7 rules for Dodge SRT Hellcat Owners: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFcqPbok2-c
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on February 10, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
The brother is awesome :rofl Words!
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Post by: icepac on February 10, 2015, 09:08:56 PM
The STi is quick and offers reasonably good handling. However, my '86 Shelby GLHS, upgraded to the 225 hp 2.5L engine would lean all over it. One advantage the STi has is the all wheel drive, really helps from standing starts. The Sti weighs in at 3,444 lbs. That's pretty darn heavy for the power. My GLHS tipped the scales at 2,217 lbs. That means that the STi has a power to weight ratio of 11.3 lb/hp. Very good, but no match for the old Shelby at 9.85 lb/hp. My WRX was tame in comparison. Tame and not even close to the GLHS in terms of hustling around a road course. Shelby simply built a street legal race car, at a time when the fastest cars offered by other US car makers were not very impressive. This little Shelby had a very hard edge on it. Not for the nervous types.
Shelby built just 500 of these little monsters, and less than 300 survive. Originally fitted with a 175 hp 2.2L, intercooled turbo motor, they were one of the fastest cars you could buy in 1986. Three years later, I upgraded to the new 225 hp engine. I sold it not many years ago. It had few rivals... The ultimate sleeper. Hot Rod magazine tested it in 1986, with Shelby on hand. Shelby invited the SoCal Shelby club to come out with their hot rodded GT-350s. They were beaten by the little GLHS. If you can find one in decent shape, buy it. You can't go faster for less $$$.
Sweet..........I had the GLH and the later Shelby CSX-T that was originally a thrifty rental car.
I still have a cylinder head off of the maserati as well as one from a spirit R/T just waiting to top off a stout bottom end but not sure which car it will go in.
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Post by: eagl on February 10, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
Kind of disappointed in the press comparisons of the charger hellcat. They keep comparing both the challenger and the charger to the Camaro, completely ignoring the chevy SS. It's not dead yet, still has a couple of years production left and may return after the chassis refresh is complete. So why are they completely ignoring the obvious comparison of the SS vs. the Charger, both SRT and SRT hellcat? Maybe because the chevy SS beats the vanilla charger SRT, even though the SS is "old news", and a Chevy SS with enough mods to make it cost the same as a charger hellcat would likely be faster with more power?
Anyhow, its super irritating. None of the online review sites I could find tonight are making the comparison between the charger and the SS. The Camaro should rightfully be compared to the challenger, but the SS is the right comparison for the charger. Must not fit the narrative.
Maybe I'll find someone with a new and film my own 2009 G8 vs. 2015 charger comparison, passing it off as a SS comparison by proxy... My 6.0 L76 is a few cubes and a couple dozen hp shy of the LS3 in the SS so any track results will be pretty conservative.
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Post by: -ammo- on March 09, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
For brother Hajo, Ink, and all Dodge "go fast" enthusiast. Check out the two Motorweek reviews and tell me what you see. OK OK.. I will get to the point. That 707 HP beast can't beat the 2013 Shelby in the quarter mile - even with more HP and TQ while the Motorweek drivers are testing.
Having said that, I would love have a Hellcat Challenger parked next to my Shelby. I grew up with my father telling me - work hard, pay my bills, raise your kids to be resectable, vote.. all the responsible things most Americans aspire to do. One thing I never grew out of - the want to go fast.
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Post by: ink on March 09, 2015, 03:09:07 PM
I learned a long time ago, there is always someone faster....someone who can draw better....play chess better.... :cheers:
I would much rather own an old school challenger then the newer ones....
not to say I would turn away a new one :D
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Post by: Rich46yo on March 09, 2015, 05:54:28 PM
I could care less how many doors it has as long as it runs like Hell.
Im not 17yo anymore. I kinda like the idea of a 4 door sedan to park my big arse in.
As long as it has 700+ HP. :D
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Post by: Gman on March 09, 2015, 06:16:04 PM
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I could care less how many doors it has as long as it runs like Hell.
Im not 17yo anymore. I kinda like the idea of a 4 door sedan to park my big arse in.
My sentiments exact. While I would love a new Z06, and the missus is dead set on the Alfa 4c being at least one new acquisition, both 2 doors, and our current and previous performance rides have mostly been 2 doors, I could, and would, love a nice 4 door that could be handy for grocery getting, touring about sedately, but able to transform into a monster with some right foot and maybe some switchology. That's what's so great about the Hellcat and some of the other 4 door monsters like BMW and MB's such cars, and others. That new Tesla bears at least some credit/investigating as well, even though I'm not Mr. Hybrid fan or defender, it's performance can't be discounted, those electric instant torque/power motors are something else.