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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: saggs on April 07, 2015, 12:36:04 AM
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So this video popped up on my Facebook feed from a cousin who sorta kinda believes the whole chemtrail conspiracy, and who knows I work in aviation, asking me to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1BSxNPdx8
Afterwards I decided to make my first ever comment on a youtube video, just pointing out that it is likely a DC-10/MD-11 variant and nothing unusual. To which the person who posted the video replies simply "They don't use those anymore." :bhead When I tell him that yes, FedEx, UPS, the USAF and others still fly them... ... obstinate silence. Worse is 95% of the comments there agree with the poster that it's proof of some conspiracy, and even the simple, obvious explanations (like it leaves 3 trails because it has 3 engines) are flat out rejected with no alternate explanation except "Because... conspiracy."
Anyway, I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote. "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
But honestly I'm just exasperated at how gullible so many people seem to be, and the faith they have to stick with it in the face of actual facts and logic. They're just like "Facts be damned... I have a crazy baseless, fact free theory instead!"
:bhead
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There simply *has* to be a way to make money off these people!
(shuffles off to underground lair to plot commercial exploitation of the weak-minded. Hmmm, we could call it "selling water in plastic bottles to people who get it for free from the taps in their home."
Naah, on second thoughts, that would never work...)
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It is the appeal of secret knowledge and being in on something that all the "sheeple" out there don't know.
Generally, anybody who thinks of other people as sheep has too high an estimation of their own faculties and too low an estimation of other people's faculties. Think of Mark Twain's advice when you encounter such people.
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Lol Saggs, did your best to interject reality to these nuts.
I think we need another PETA like raid on the comments of that vid :devil
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Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. :lol
Just when you think "There's no way anyone can be that stupid. It's impossible!" someone will show up and prove you wrong.
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Every day I'm reminded that half the population has an IQ of less than 100. And 100 is not very bright.
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So this video popped up on my Facebook feed from a cousin who sorta kinda believes the whole chemtrail conspiracy, and who knows I work in aviation, asking me to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1BSxNPdx8
Afterwards I decided to make my first ever comment on a youtube video, just pointing out that it is likely a DC-10/MD-11 variant and nothing unusual. To which the person who posted the video replies simply "They don't use those anymore." :bhead When I tell him that yes, FedEx, UPS, the USAF and others still fly them... ... obstinate silence. Worse is 95% of the comments there agree with the poster that it's proof of some conspiracy, and even the simple, obvious explanations (like it leaves 3 trails because it has 3 engines) are flat out rejected with no alternate explanation except "Because... conspiracy."
Anyway, I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote. "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
But honestly I'm just exasperated at how gullible so many people seem to be, and the faith they have to stick with it in the face of actual facts and logic. They're just like "Facts be damned... I have a crazy baseless, fact free theory instead!"
:bhead
:bhead What was it the circus guy, Barnium Bailey used to say, there is "sucker" born every day! What a moron who posted that video, and just think, people like him have a following
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So this video popped up on my Facebook feed from a cousin who sorta kinda believes the whole chemtrail conspiracy, and who knows I work in aviation, asking me to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1BSxNPdx8
Afterwards I decided to make my first ever comment on a youtube video, just pointing out that it is likely a DC-10/MD-11 variant and nothing unusual. To which the person who posted the video replies simply "They don't use those anymore." :bhead When I tell him that yes, FedEx, UPS, the USAF and others still fly them... ... obstinate silence. Worse is 95% of the comments there agree with the poster that it's proof of some conspiracy, and even the simple, obvious explanations (like it leaves 3 trails because it has 3 engines) are flat out rejected with no alternate explanation except "Because... conspiracy."
Anyway, I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote. "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
But honestly I'm just exasperated at how gullible so many people seem to be, and the faith they have to stick with it in the face of actual facts and logic. They're just like "Facts be damned... I have a crazy baseless, fact free theory instead!"
:bhead
My old roommate was like that man. They believe anything that isn't reality to subset their mind that reality as we percieve is a lie and we are the product of heirarchies. Its a coping method, maybe even an evolutionary thing to combat fear. However, as you know, these people are the ones who live with the most fear. That everyone is out to get them! No matter how many professionally written studies you can put in their faces, their own mind is ignorant to a truth only they can understsnd. Unfortunately faith is a very strong feeling, one that cannot be easily changed or messed with, much like religion. So these people show you YouTube video after YouTube video of some idiot "doctor" describing the phenomenon and since it is not the main stream media, they believe it. The only thing you can do is except that fact that they are complete idiots and walk the other way.
Even if chemtrails are deployed, they wouldn't be effective from high alts. I've announced my arguement about that already in skyrocks posts, so I won't go any further on that topic.
Just so you know. NEVER attempt to argue with people in YouTube. It is the empitome of trollers and DIPS**ts.
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last I checked there were still a few DC-10s operating out of some 4'th world place. I forget where. Ive seen the occasional MD-11 but they are mostly active out of the UPS and Fed Ex Hubs like Memphis. And I think the KC-10 is still operational, at least at reserve units "thing is loud as hell". What was the guy trying to say? That some secret organization was poisoning us with a 3 engine airplane?
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I had to throw a comment in there just to see what happens lol.
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There IS a way to make money off of them. Lots of people do. Stay up late and listen to coast to coast AM. The guests are mostly nutters but some are crazy like a fox, selling a book or charging speaking fees or whatever. They've done the work to collect "evidence" and put it together into a marginally plausible scenario or theory, and then they sell it.
There are enough nutters out there to make a small income selling nutter candy (conspiracy theory stuff), but just realize that while the pool of nutters is wide, it isn't very deep. I don't know if very many people actually get *rich* selling nonsense to idiots because those idiots rarely have more than a few bucks to spend on that stuff.
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:bhead What was it the circus guy, Barnium Bailey used to say, there is "sucker" born every day! What a moron who posted that video, and just think, people like him have a following
That be Barnam and Bailey.
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Open a gun shop. Sell guns. I understand the Kill Zombies (KZ) gear is selling like hot cakes to this day. 6,000,000 guns/yr. in the U.S., and typically 100 CW permits/hr. per state (for states that allow it).
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That be Barnam and Bailey.
Barnum and Bailey.
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There are enough nutters out there to make a small income selling nutter candy (conspiracy theory stuff), but just realize that while the pool of nutters is wide, it isn't very deep.
So uhh... Nutter Butter?
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Post-chemtrail Nutter-Butters:
(http://javacupcake.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Homemade-Nutter-Butters-68.jpg)
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"Conspiracy theories are created by the sonically rejected, and believed by the socially ignorant."
Or something like that, can't remember the exact quote.
When it comes down to it, these are the same people that believe that everyone in the world is out to kill them just for the sake of watching them die. Just let them live their lives in fear, their "truth" campaign will never gain any ground.
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That's fine Dragon Tamer. Well, at least until one or more of them decides violence is necessary to stop the "chemtrails". After all, if you actually believe "they" are trying to poison the world you would be insane not to try and stop it. That's the problem with conspiracy theories. They create Kaczynskis and McVeighs.
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Well the guy who posted that video went and erased 2 of my comments where I point out the dozens of DC-10/MD-11 and KC-10 aircraft in current operation with FedEx, UPS, Lufthansa Cargo and the USAF.
For as much as these guys scream about the "truth" and "waking up"... they sure don't seem to like to have facts enter the debate.
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Also apparently I'm a paid government troll/shill. I wonder which agency to contact, because I haven't been getting my checks.
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I've also been half tempted to troll the chemtrail believers myself.
I frequently work on several fuel tanker aircraft (DC-6 and C-46) at work. They fly diesel, gasoline etc.. out to remote communities, oil rigs and mining camps. More then once I've thought about snapping a picture of the fuel tanks inside our planes and posting it to a conspiracy website. I'm sure they'd go crazy believing them to be chemtrail tanks. :lol
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Well the guy who posted that video went and erased 2 of my comments where I point out the dozens of DC-10/MD-11 and KC-10 aircraft in current operation with FedEx, UPS, Lufthansa Cargo and the USAF.
For as much as these guys scream about the "truth" and "waking up"... they sure don't seem to like to have facts enter the debate.
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Also apparently I'm a paid government troll/shill. I wonder which agency to contact, because I haven't been getting my checks.
Anybody who disagrees with them is either a sheep or an agent there to spread misinformation. Basically they set it up so that they cannot be contradicted.
As to their considering others to be sheep, I find that particularly absurd given how credulous they are to believe things that would be nigh impossible to accomplish.
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What is "Chemtrail" and why can we in the UK not buy it?
Typical selfish colonials, we defeat "Narzziedom" together and you keep the best things for yourselves :cry
Is it the new Viagria?
I am not saying pipz needs an alternative to said enhancement :banana:
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More then once I've thought about snapping a picture of the fuel tanks inside our planes and posting it to a conspiracy website. I'm sure they'd go crazy believing them to be chemtrail tanks.
If I could I would.
In the words of Oscar Wilde, "I can resist anything except temptation." :D
There is a guy in our apt complex that believes in chemtrails and a host of other idiotic conspiracies.
Once when he brought up chemtrails, I laid the "dihydrogen monoxide conspiracy" on him (its everywhere, its in everything around us and its even in our bodies . . . .etc.).
Surprised he'd never heard of it.
I reeled him in like a fish.
Am I mean ? Naw, just mischievous at times. :devil
However, as a child I did like throwing insects in to anthills.
I grew out of that.
Now I do it to wackos when they persist in lecturing me for being too dumb to understand their explanation of the New World Order or whatever they are babbling about at the time.
And the anthill is the universe of their minds, whose only boundries is their imagination. I add new characters & conspiracies for them to contemplate.
On second thought, maybe I am mean :headscratch:
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Zack
Because you are so awesome, you are one of the select few on the planet that is safe from the chemtrails.
Honest. The wackos told me so. They said awesome people are immune to almost everything.
I asked about the almost part but they wouldn't tell me.
They said I had to be part of the "Inner Circle of the Inner Circle", before I would be granted that knowledge.
And only the Grand Poobah could grant me that status.
I'll let you know when I find out.
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Chemtrails are real. Just recently a research showed that they could stop climate warming by injecting a small amount of ash or similar material into atmosphere every day. They said that basically a firehose worth of ash would already stop the warming.
They found this out when they wanted to disprove that a man made volcanic eruption could cool the climate. To their shock the calculations showed that it would be very much possible actually.
The only problem now is that they're afraid to start dusting the atmosphere because nobody knows what the long term effects could be. The good news is however that there is a quick fix to climate warming if it should become a real problem.
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Chemtrail dude is an amateur. Try battling the Foodbabe some time. Proof that looks are no guarantee of sanity, if ever there was.
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Chemtrails are real. Just recently a research showed that they could stop climate warming by injecting a small amount of ash or similar material into atmosphere every day. They said that basically a firehose worth of ash would already stop the warming.
They found this out when they wanted to disprove that a man made volcanic eruption could cool the climate. To their shock the calculations showed that it would be very much possible actually.
The only problem now is that they're afraid to start dusting the atmosphere because nobody knows what the long term effects could be. The good news is however that there is a quick fix to climate warming if it should become a real problem.
Link?
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Chemtrail dude is an amateur. Try battling the Foodbabe some time. Proof that looks are no guarantee of sanity, if ever there was.
Foodbabe?
Is she the Aussie chick who's all about bananas?
:banana:
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Open a gun shop. Sell guns. I understand the Kill Zombies (KZ) gear is selling like hot cakes to this day. 6,000,000 guns/yr. in the U.S., and typically 100 CW permits/hr. per state (for states that allow it).
while we have not seen a rise in violent deaths we have seen more...
(http://myfavoritewesterns.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/gunfight-at-the-ok-corral-walk.jpg)
the most prominent issue, road rage of course. :bhead
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Man made volcano is a bad idea. Thats how the series Dinosaurs ended :(
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Link?
Hmm I just read the article and now I can't find it.
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(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk238/fastlikeme/Reaction/gifface67-1.gif)
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Chemtrails are real. Just recently a research showed that they could stop climate warming by injecting a small amount of ash or similar material into atmosphere every day. They said that basically a firehose worth of ash would already stop the warming.
They found this out when they wanted to disprove that a man made volcanic eruption could cool the climate. To their shock the calculations showed that it would be very much possible actually.
The only problem now is that they're afraid to start dusting the atmosphere because nobody knows what the long term effects could be. The good news is however that there is a quick fix to climate warming if it should become a real problem.
I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)
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I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)
A huge eruption can make a mini ice age. This is not what they were looking for. They were investigating if a man made ash cover could affect the climate. Since global warming happens at a very slow rate, even a small permanent ash layer in the higher atmosphere was found to negate the effect.
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I would say thats BS until proven otherwise, a vulcanic erruption sends huge amount of ash into the atmosphere and you will need an almost infinite number of tankers just to release the same amount of ash as one big erruption does. A huge erruption can cool down the earth atleast for some time so in theory it might work but the amount of ash needed makes it impossible to do in reality. (Guess biggest enviromental effect will come from the grounding of airliners that prob will follow if u release that amount of ash into the atmosphere)
Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming. Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.
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Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming. Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.
Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.
A huge eruption can make a mini ice age. This is not what they were looking for. They were investigating if a man made ash cover could affect the climate. Since global warming happens at a very slow rate, even a small permanent ash layer in the higher atmosphere was found to negate the effect.
But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
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Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.
But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
The scientists in the article were talking about a 'firehose worth' of spread 24 hours a day to be enough.
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Sounds resonable, in a short term atleast.
But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
Not to mention when we naturally go back into 'cool' that has happened many many times that extra layer should it even be possible would come back to haunt us.
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Chemtrails, contrails, unicorn farts. Whatever is going on doesn't look very healthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI2exyqUFUE
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Grounding the airliners actually noticeably reduces cloud cover and hence increases warming. Scientists took advantage of the post 9/11 lull in air traffic to do some studies on it as it wasn't something they'd ever get real data on otherwise.
That is not 100% correct. Reducing cloud cover would not increase global warming, In fact it might actually do the opposite. Cloud cover actually keeps all of the C02, waper vapor, and other green house gases inside the atmopshere, much like a greenhouse, which warms the earth. During a cloudy night It traps in the earth's geothermal and infared heat which is why it is hotter during cloud cover at night time. Instead of these green house gasses being dispersed higher into the atmosphere they get trapped into the lower atmosphere causing higher scales of global warming.
In turn, reducing clouds may be better for the atmosphere. Depending on where the earth is positioned to the sun.
However, cloud seeding, while being tested, doesn't do very much in the overall atmosphere. To effect the atmopshere of a small town. Chemicals would have to be spreyed onto an intire town much like how they put out forest fires, you would obviously be able to see it happening. A stream of chemicals at 20,000+ feet would not reach human consumption, or be enough cunsumption to have deterimintal effects. That is why this conspiriacy is for idiot loons. The best form of cloud seeding today would be exploading nuclear bombs into the atmopshere. Notice how big that actually is, while only effecting people who were near it. You would have to detonate 100s or 1000s of nuclear bombs all over the world for it to have a major effect. That is the size of the clouds we are talking about here and the wind patterns that would carry them.
Volcanoe creation would take an enournous amount of energy. I LOL at people who think humans could create any type of real volcanoe. When you realize how powerful the earth cores and energy of geothermal heat, along with the movement of continental shelfs take an enormous amount of energy. One 1000s of times greater than a nuclear bomb.
This is why cloud cover from an astroid or Volcanoe killed the dinosours. Plants could not grow due to no sun light, in turn that killed the C02 and oxygen levels of the earth. Dinosours couldn't eat dead plants, which killed those populations and the carnavors could not eat them so they died out. During intense cloud cover, you would be freezing during the day, and hot during the night, depending on the earths position to the sun, (EI time of season. ) non the less, all the rest of the CO2 and water vapor would dispearse causing the earth to get colder and colder until these chemicals freeze, causing an ice age. We most likely got out of the ice age by a tremendous amount of heat from the earth over time. This broke the cloud barriers and allowed to the sun to help grow plants again. Once the earth reached sustainable CO2 and oxygen levels, the earth was able to prosper and thrive again. So in this case the sun did increase warming due to help of regainment of C02 in the atmosphere.
Global warming is simply due to the effect of green house gases in the atmopshere. So if you have an abundance of cloud cover with high C02 rates, you would be in a product of global warming.
So my final question is, why would anyone want this to happen to earth, realizing that it would inevitably kill them as well? There is no "winning" or gaining power in the circumstance.
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There's a point in one's acquisition of knowledge where what you know or believe becomes so ingrained in your personality that you identify with it. To put it simply, it's so much a part of you that to contradict it is a personal insult. It's part of the tribal instinct that allows us to form strong social bonds. In effect, we are chemically and psychological predisposed to cling to our beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence. In fact, the more evidence presented to the contrary, the more we will dig our heels in and argue against it, because it's seen as an attack against "us", ourselves or our group.
People are stupid because they can't overcome the instinct to be stupid.
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Foodbabe?
Is she the Aussie chick who's all about bananas?
:banana:
Nope. US chick, Vani Hari. Forced Subway to remove a substance from their bread she claimed was a yoga mat and also believes that pilots replace oxygen in cabin atmosphere with 80% Nitrogen! OMG!
Believes you shouldn't consume chemicals. Many thousands of people have pointed out that Dihydrogen Monoxide is a chemical and we'd all die without it. Expunges any and all opposition from her blogs and Facebook pages. Has a huge following because "Chemicals Bad, Natural and Organic Good" and has been trying to get Starbucks to use only organic milk. Had a major tantrum when asked to show evidence that there was such a thing as inorganic milk.
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe
http://foodbabe.com/
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Nope. US chick, Vani Hari. Forced Subway to remove a substance from their bread she claimed was a yoga mat and also believes that pilots replace oxygen in cabin atmosphere with 80% Nitrogen! OMG!
Believes you shouldn't consume chemicals. Many thousands of people have pointed out that Dihydrogen Monoxide is a chemical and we'd all die without it. Expunges any and all opposition from her blogs and Facebook pages. Has a huge following because "Chemicals Bad, Natural and Organic Good" and has been trying to get Starbucks to use only organic milk. Had a major tantrum when asked to show evidence that there was such a thing as inorganic milk.
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/7/8360935/food-babe
http://foodbabe.com/
This is how you know these people are F&$king idiots. Chemicals make up everything in chemistry and biology, whether it be natural, organic, or created by humans, they are ALL chemicals.
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There's a point in one's acquisition of knowledge where what you know or believe becomes so ingrained in your personality that you identify with it. To put it simply, it's so much a part of you that to contradict it is a personal insult. It's part of the tribal instinct that allows us to form strong social bonds. In effect, we are chemically and psychological predisposed to cling to our beliefs even in the face of overwhelming evidence. In fact, the more evidence presented to the contrary, the more we will dig our heels in and argue against it, because it's seen as an attack against "us", ourselves or our group.
People are stupid because they can't overcome the instinct to be stupid.
Well put, this is why I am always questioning my own beliefs to the point of paralysis.
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Aviation Maintenance Tech in training... I feel your pain :noid
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But i still doubt that its possible to put that layer in place by using tankers and spray it out. Even a "small permanent layer" would require a very large number of planes.
It would take a crap load of planes. The Mount Pinatubo eruption in 1991 ejected almost 30,000,000,000 tonnes of ash and other stuff into the atmosphere causing global temperatures to drop 0.5 degrees celsius. Just try and imagine the number of planes that would have been needed to put all that stuff into the atmosphere.
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So this video popped up on my Facebook feed from a cousin who sorta kinda believes the whole chemtrail conspiracy, and who knows I work in aviation, asking me to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1BSxNPdx8
Afterwards I decided to make my first ever comment on a youtube video, just pointing out that it is likely a DC-10/MD-11 variant and nothing unusual. To which the person who posted the video replies simply "They don't use those anymore." :bhead When I tell him that yes, FedEx, UPS, the USAF and others still fly them... ... obstinate silence. Worse is 95% of the comments there agree with the poster that it's proof of some conspiracy, and even the simple, obvious explanations (like it leaves 3 trails because it has 3 engines) are flat out rejected with no alternate explanation except "Because... conspiracy."
Anyway, I'm reminded of the Mark Twain quote. "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
But honestly I'm just exasperated at how gullible so many people seem to be, and the faith they have to stick with it in the face of actual facts and logic. They're just like "Facts be damned... I have a crazy baseless, fact free theory instead!"
:bhead
The level of stupidity by ChemTrailsMN is almost beyond measure. Have you seen some of his other videos like the one in which he claims that it's impossible for an airplane engine to create contrails and his claim the latest Pixels movie trailer is an example of mind control through subliminal messages.
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As an A+P Mechanic for 25 years, hear this one a lot... /facepalm
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It would take a crap load of planes. The Mount Pinatubo eruption in 1991 ejected almost 30,000,000,000 tonnes of ash and other stuff into the atmosphere causing global temperatures to drop 0.5 degrees celsius. Just try and imagine the number of planes that would have been needed to put all that stuff into the atmosphere.
Yeah but still not as much hot air as has been expelled in this thread lol.
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That is not 100% correct. Reducing cloud cover would not increase global warming, In fact it might actually do the opposite. Cloud cover actually keeps all of the C02, waper vapor, and other green house gases inside the atmopshere, much like a greenhouse, which warms the earth. During a cloudy night It traps in the earth's geothermal and infared heat which is why it is hotter during cloud cover at night time. Instead of these green house gasses being dispersed higher into the atmosphere they get trapped into the lower atmosphere causing higher scales of global warming.
In turn, reducing clouds may be better for the atmosphere. Depending on where the earth is positioned to the sun.
However, cloud seeding, while being tested, doesn't do very much in the overall atmosphere. To effect the atmopshere of a small town. Chemicals would have to be spreyed onto an intire town much like how they put out forest fires, you would obviously be able to see it happening. A stream of chemicals at 20,000+ feet would not reach human consumption, or be enough cunsumption to have deterimintal effects. That is why this conspiriacy is for idiot loons. The best form of cloud seeding today would be exploading nuclear bombs into the atmopshere. Notice how big that actually is, while only effecting people who were near it. You would have to detonate 100s or 1000s of nuclear bombs all over the world for it to have a major effect. That is the size of the clouds we are talking about here and the wind patterns that would carry them.
Volcanoe creation would take an enournous amount of energy. I LOL at people who think humans could create any type of real volcanoe. When you realize how powerful the earth cores and energy of geothermal heat, along with the movement of continental shelfs take an enormous amount of energy. One 1000s of times greater than a nuclear bomb.
This is why cloud cover from an astroid or Volcanoe killed the dinosours. Plants could not grow due to no sun light, in turn that killed the C02 and oxygen levels of the earth. Dinosours couldn't eat dead plants, which killed those populations and the carnavors could not eat them so they died out. During intense cloud cover, you would be freezing during the day, and hot during the night, depending on the earths position to the sun, (EI time of season. ) non the less, all the rest of the CO2 and water vapor would dispearse causing the earth to get colder and colder until these chemicals freeze, causing an ice age. We most likely got out of the ice age by a tremendous amount of heat from the earth over time. This broke the cloud barriers and allowed to the sun to help grow plants again. Once the earth reached sustainable CO2 and oxygen levels, the earth was able to prosper and thrive again. So in this case the sun did increase warming due to help of regainment of C02 in the atmosphere.
Global warming is simply due to the effect of green house gases in the atmopshere. So if you have an abundance of cloud cover with high C02 rates, you would be in a product of global warming.
So my final question is, why would anyone want this to happen to earth, realizing that it would inevitably kill them as well? There is no "winning" or gaining power in the circumstance.
You might find it interesting to read about the evolution of our atmosphere and how significant changes occurred over hundreds of millions of years. Photosynthesis being a major player. Photosynthesis that consumes co2 and releases o2 caused the first mass extinction on earth, killing most anaerobic life. Then the increase in o2 caused the world to freeze when it reacted with the abundance of methane to produce a greater ratio of less greenhouse effect co2. Then with ever increaseing o2 in the air the earths minerals reacted and oxidized. With time a balance was formed and more advanced life was able to evolve. Nevertheless, the earth still went through periods of freezing and warmth. The scale of all this is huge beyond our understanding. Check out snowball earth on wiki or the great oxygenation for details.
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You might find it interesting to read about the evolution of our atmosphere and how significant changes occurred over hundreds of millions of years. Photosynthesis being a major player. Photosynthesis that consumes co2 and releases o2 caused the first mass extinction on earth, killing most anaerobic life. Then the increase in o2 caused the world to freeze when it reacted with the abundance of methane to produce a greater ratio of less greenhouse effect co2. Then with ever increaseing o2 in the air the earths minerals reacted and oxidized. With time a balance was formed and more advanced life was able to evolve. Nevertheless, the earth still went through periods of freezing and warmth. The scale of all this is huge beyond our understanding. Check out snowball earth on wiki or the great oxygenation for details.
I agree with you, that was a nice explanation. It is crazy how long it takes for the earth to go in and out of these cycles, and it's difficult to explain with 100% accuracy considering no one during those times knew science or could live long enough during them to document how it happened. I took a Weather and Climate science class in college, and I learned quite a bit about weather patterns and the way climate works, it was very interesting. I made an A in the class and while I didn't study science as my major, it has always been my best subject in school. :aok
It was a very interesting class for me.
I've had so many debates with my ex roommate who is a huge conspiritor. He watches one film on YouTube about how the universe is 1 giant computer simulation, and all the sudden it must be true!! :rofl :noid :old: the dude says 1 giant computer simulation in a British accent so many times you almost start to believe it. Omg it was so funny I still crack up to this day thinking about it.
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Map chemtrail density vs. number of riots and voting outcomes and it becomes really clear whats going on. They create chaos when they want and then spray the controlling chemtrails when they get their message out and its time to vote.
To really blow your mind look at the chemtrail coverage on states that jumped to common core and how much of their education budget went into buying the curriculum products required to teach common core and succeed at the sbac test. Correlation doesn't mean causation but there it is, in black and white.
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Am I getting any better at this? I'm practicing and practicing...
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Am I getting any better at this? I'm practicing and practicing...
You're awesome. keep up the good work.
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Well put, this is why I am always questioning my own beliefs to the point of paralysis.
Relax and science it. There's loads of people out there freely admitting that they don't know everything and they'll change their minds if someone presents compelling evidence. They have huge brains and are happy to be growing more and more ignorant every day. It just means there's more to learn and more baggage to discard.
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Am I getting any better at this? I'm practicing and practicing...
I'm afraid you've got a ways to go if you want to be as good as Ripley. :rofl
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Map chemtrail density vs. number of riots and voting outcomes and it becomes really clear whats going on. They create chaos when they want and then spray the controlling chemtrails when they get their message out and its time to vote.
To really blow your mind look at the chemtrail coverage on states that jumped to common core and how much of their education budget went into buying the curriculum products required to teach common core and succeed at the sbac test. Correlation doesn't mean causation but there it is, in black and white.
You know, I never thought of that. But now, it's all beginning to make sense...
- oldman
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Am I getting any better at this? I'm practicing and practicing...
I dunno, I still see kids in the yard.
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Pearl Harbor, why such a surprise? Early Chemtrail experiments with that bomber flight that just happened to show up when the raid started.
Cuban missile crisis? Chemtrails.
How did the Rodney King riots really end? Chemtrails.
9/11? Chemtrails (that other little building didn't fall down by itself you know)
How long it took to find Saddam? Chemtrails.
Obamaphone? Yup you got it, Chemtrails.
Immigrant surge? South American Chemtrails (look it up!)
ISIS? Chemtrails gone bad (they were supposed to go after Syria only)
Why is everyone accepting Iran nuke "deal"? Chemtrails. Look for a custom modified Boeing sale to Iran coming up once sanctions are "selectively lifted".
Earthquakes in Oklahoma? Fracking is just a straw-man, its really Chemtrails.
80% of water use in Calif is spent on agriculture but water meters will be monitored minute by minute to fine people who take long showers... why? Chemtrails.
It all fits together don't you see the pattern? Its so clear you won't believe it until you read my book.
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Man made volcano is a bad idea. Thats how the series Dinosaurs ended :(
Yellowstone Super Volcano...
Every eruption about every 700,000 or so years... This number usually fluctuates by about ~100,000 years
Last eruption? 640,000 years ago
Our Western timebomb may go off tomorrow or in 100,000 years.
(http://www.winstonsalemskyscrapers.com/forum/images/smilies/whistlingemoticon.gif)
I'm practicing at being a fear-mongering loony, is it working?
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Map chemtrail density vs. number of riots and voting outcomes and it becomes really clear whats going on. They create chaos when they want and then spray the controlling chemtrails when they get their message out and its time to vote.
To really blow your mind look at the chemtrail coverage on states that jumped to common core and how much of their education budget went into buying the curriculum products required to teach common core and succeed at the sbac test. Correlation doesn't mean causation but there it is, in black and white.
:confused:
Am I getting any better at this? I'm practicing and practicing...
Wait ... right! I saw the movie Serenity!
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Pearl Harbor, why such a surprise? Early Chemtrail experiments with that bomber flight that just happened to show up when the raid started.
Cuban missile crisis? Chemtrails.
How did the Rodney King riots really end? Chemtrails.
9/11? Chemtrails (that other little building didn't fall down by itself you know)
How long it took to find Saddam? Chemtrails.
Obamaphone? Yup you got it, Chemtrails.
Immigrant surge? South American Chemtrails (look it up!)
ISIS? Chemtrails gone bad (they were supposed to go after Syria only)
Why is everyone accepting Iran nuke "deal"? Chemtrails. Look for a custom modified Boeing sale to Iran coming up once sanctions are "selectively lifted".
Earthquakes in Oklahoma? Fracking is just a straw-man, its really Chemtrails.
80% of water use in Calif is spent on agriculture but water meters will be monitored minute by minute to fine people who take long showers... why? Chemtrails.
It all fits together don't you see the pattern? Its so clear you won't believe it until you read my book.
You went from convincing to obvious satire in one post.
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You went from convincing to obvious satire in one post.
That was satire? Damn...glad you said something.
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That was satire? Damn...glad you said something.
Sheesh 38 more minutes and I would have gotten moderated ;)
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After majoring in chemtrail I joined the military as a chemtrail specialist. Or something.
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If you guys want to see proof of chemtrails, this lady proved scientifically it happens.
Definitive Proof of Chemicals released into our atmosphere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8)
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If you guys want to see proof of chemtrails, this lady proved scientifically it happens.
Definitive Proof of Chemicals released into our atmosphere[url]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8)
After listening to her my IQ dropped 10pts. I pray she hasn't bred
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After listening to her my IQ dropped 10pts. I pray she hasn't bred
I bet she's a Nit !!
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OP your mistake was commenting on Youtube. I made that mistake too once and only once. I saw a video which featured an Air France jet laying chemtrails over southern Ireland. Yes the French are spraying us for some reason! I commented on the unlikelihood of the French doing this even if you believe in chemtrails. Well I was sorry very quickly. One character researched me, found out I was a pilot and all but accused me of being in on the conspiracy. A paid stooge of the US government. I was seriously tempted tell him I relied on that cheque (or is it check) from Uncle Sam every month! But decided not to because now I was worried he might try and pay me a visit. Yes I got paranoid and thought there might be a conspiracy! :noid
In fact the word chemtrail is now falling out of favour with these people. It's now 'geoengineering' and weather modification and more disturbingly it's latched onto the whole climate change debate. Which gives it a cloak of respectability because as we know everyone is supposed to believe that man made climate change is real.
One thing it does highlight is the number of people out there with a very flimsy grasp of reality. I suspect many of them live very dull lives indeed. Believing in grand conspiracies makes life interesting. There was also a suggestion that excess levels of dopamine in certain people make them see patterns where none exist. Probably the source of many a conspiracy theory.
As for making money out of these people. I personally believe it already happens. A lot of these sites are very slick indeed and there's plenty of advertising.
It's a crazy world we live in.
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I'm sure the almighty Chemtrailer will damn all those who call the Church of Chemtrails a conspiracy (theory or otherwise).
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Not a single comment on the video I posted.
Come, come, Slash, we don't have six and a half minutes to spare for such matters.
- oldman
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Not a single comment on the video I posted.
I always thought vapor trails dissipated relatively quickly....
after watching the one you posted I watched a few others.....damn what did I get myself into haha...
seriously though.....
the one thing I know for sure.....what will be will be.....
there is nothing anyone can do to save this world.
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I always thought vapor trails dissipated relatively quickly....
after watching the one you posted I watched a few others.....damn what did I get myself into haha...
seriously though.....
the one thing I know for sure.....what will be will be.....
there is nothing anyone can do to save this world.
i grew up in the middle of nowhere when airplanes were rare back in the 70's, every now and then we would see a jet leave contrails they would last for hours sometimes. actually it was rare for us to even see any kind of airplane other than small fumigating airplanes.
semp
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i grew up in the middle of nowhere when airplanes were rare back in the 70's, every now and then we would see a jet leave contrails they would last for hours sometimes. actually it was rare for us to even see any kind of airplane other than small fumigating airplanes.
semp
:rofl chemtrailers. :lol I love those things. Probably spraying a nerve agent to kill bugs. ;) Maybe a fungicide or fertilizer tho. :angel:
We get to see one fly a little through the summer. a yellow prop plane with large wings and what looks to be a extendable boom under his belly. :airplane: I hear hes paid by the government so he can upkeep his business. :neener: What is really cool is when he breaks out his WW2 birds from the hanger. :D They dont make them sound like that anymore. :rock
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I don't understand how that damn possum gets into my attic, nor why everything that grows well in my garden is actually a weed.
On the other hand, I don't attribute either of those lacks of comprehension to some massive global conspiracy.
Perhaps I should.
Then again, sometimes there really is nothing to see here, move along.
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It would take a crap load of planes. The Mount Pinatubo eruption in 1991 ejected almost 30,000,000,000 tonnes of ash and other stuff into the atmosphere causing global temperatures to drop 0.5 degrees celsius. Just try and imagine the number of planes that would have been needed to put all that stuff into the atmosphere.
The simulations showed that a surprisingly small amount is all that takes to cancel the effects of global warming which happen VERY much slower than 0.5 degrees per year. You need to get a grasp of proportions.
Cooling the whole planet is one thing, stopping a very minute progression is another. The irony is that even a temporary cooling would do far more damage to crops and other sources than a similar raise.
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There simply *has* to be a way to make money off these people!
Ever seen that rack of false motivational roadkill (FMBS) books at the drugstore? Easy money. I think I'd be good at making those.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31ufEyM0vkL.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51MVPHJdM0L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Fish in a barrel..
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please don't tell me that the lore of chemtrails is becoming a legit issue on this board...
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please don't tell me that the lore of chemtrails is becoming a legit issue on this board...
I believe in cumtrails :joystick:
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How did I get rule 4ed for that? It wasn't intended to be an insult. The spread of miss information by so called "scientist" and their elaborate "simulators" is dampening to society. I'm just trying to help Mr. Ripley out here by telling him not to fall prey to misconceptions about the earth. It is so large and grand that no scientist could predict the climate, or change the climate with chemtrails or spraying pollution into the atmosphere. It simply is not feasible by one person. No matter how many "chemtrails" you make at 20K the effects will have no consequences to humans as the chemicals will break apart and dispearse. Most won't even drop to the human level. A chemtrial will not do anything with global warming. You have to understand how weather and climate works to understand why this isn't a realistic idea
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How did I get rule 4ed for that? It wasn't intended to be an insult. The spread of miss information by so called "scientist" and their elaborate "simulators" is dampening to society. I'm just trying to help Mr. Ripley out here by telling him not to fall prey to misconceptions about the earth. It is so large and grand that no scientist could predict the climate, or change the climate with chemtrails or spraying pollution into the atmosphere. It simply is not feasible by one person. No matter how many "chemtrails" you make at 20K the effects will have no consequences to humans as the chemicals will break apart and dispearse. Most won't even drop to the human level. A chemtrial will not do anything with global warming. You have to understand how weather and climate works to understand why this isn't a realistic idea
I guess you know better than the scientists then.
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/03/geoengineering-caldeira-climate-change
This fools opinion obviously contradicts yours:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Caldeira
Kenneth Caldeira is an atmospheric scientist who works at the Carnegie Institution for Science's Department of Global Ecology.
But yeah, what would he know.
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Taken from the Article
As my colleague Tim McDonnell explained back when the NAS study was released:
Albedo modification would [use] airplanes or rockets to deliver loads of sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere, where they would bounce sunlight back into space. But if the technology is straightforward, the consequences are anything but.
The aerosols fall out of the air after a matter of years, so they would need to be continually replaced. And if we continued to burn fossil fuels, ever more aerosols would be needed to offset the warming from the additional CO2. [University of California-San Diego scientist Lynn] Russell said that artificially blocking sunlight would have unknown consequences for photosynthesis by plants and phytoplankton, and that high concentrations of sulfate aerosols could produce acid rain. Moreover, if we one day suddenly ceased an albedo modification program, it could cause rapid global warming as the climate adjusts to all the built-up CO2. For these reasons, the report warns that it would be "irrational and irresponsible to implement sustained albedo modification without also pursuing emissions mitigation, carbon dioxide removal, or both."
This is exactly what I mentioned earlier. There is no doubt that the world is warming, however, cloud seeding with chemicals such as the aerosol stuff would more than likely cause more/other problems. It is simply a huge risk that may or may not actually help the earth, this is a final solution in case of a huge heating phenomenon that I don't even think would happen in our life time, not to mention the earth could get even hotter during this cloud cover initially from all the C02 staying in the atmosphere. I still do not think one stream would cause anything to change on a global perspective. The earth pollutes trillions of C02/water vapor/methane not only from plants and our oceans, but from volcanoes as well. Humans only make up roughly 2-3% or less of the total C02 emissions. While humans may cause the earth to be warming a little faster. The only true thing we could actually do is lower emissions and cease the release of harmful chemicals into the atmosphere. Cloud seeding on a grand scale would either have very harmful effects, or it wouldn't do anything at all.
The earth does what the earth does. Mother nature is a force not to mess with. The earth works in crazy ways and I simply do not believe any man made proposals, besides cutting down emissions, will actually do anything to stop the earth from going through cycles. Global Warming is not an easy thing to stop. look at 10,000 years ago during an ice age. First the earth had to go through massive global freezing, and then go through a massive global warming. Humans weren't even contributing to that one bit. This cycle lasted over a thousand years. You have to consider that the earth goes through cycles just like everything else. It has been through global freezing and cooling for millions of years. A single stream of aerosol isn't going to effect that very much.
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Taken from the Article
As my colleague Tim McDonnell explained back when the NAS study was released:
Albedo modification would [use] airplanes or rockets to deliver loads of sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere, where they would bounce sunlight back into space. But if the technology is straightforward, the consequences are anything but.
The aerosols fall out of the air after a matter of years, so they would need to be continually replaced. And if we continued to burn fossil fuels, ever more aerosols would be needed to offset the warming from the additional CO2. [University of California-San Diego scientist Lynn] Russell said that artificially blocking sunlight would have unknown consequences for photosynthesis by plants and phytoplankton, and that high concentrations of sulfate aerosols could produce acid rain. Moreover, if we one day suddenly ceased an albedo modification program, it could cause rapid global warming as the climate adjusts to all the built-up CO2. For these reasons, the report warns that it would be "irrational and irresponsible to implement sustained albedo modification without also pursuing emissions mitigation, carbon dioxide removal, or both."
This is exactly what I mentioned earlier. There is no doubt that the world is warming, however, cloud seeding with chemicals such as the aerosol stuff would more than likely cause more/other problems. It is simply a huge risk that may or may not actually help the earth, this is a final solution in case of a huge heating phenomenon that I don't even think would happen in our life time, not to mention the earth could get even hotter during this cloud cover initially from all the C02 staying in the atmosphere. I still do not think one stream would cause anything to change on a global perspective. The earth pollutes trillions of C02/water vapor/methane not only from plants and our oceans, but from volcanoes as well. Humans only make up roughly 2-3% or less of the total C02 emissions. While humans may cause the earth to be warming a little faster. The only true thing we could actually do is lower emissions and cease the release of harmful chemicals into the atmosphere. Cloud seeding on a grand scale would either have very harmful effects, or it wouldn't do anything at all.
The earth does what the earth does. Mother nature is a force not to mess with. The earth works in crazy ways and I simply do not believe any man made proposals, besides cutting down emissions, will actually do anything to stop the earth from going through cycles. Global Warming is not an easy thing to stop. look at 10,000 years ago during an ice age. First the earth had to go through massive global freezing, and then go through a massive global warming. Humans weren't even contributing to that one bit. This cycle lasted over a thousand years. You have to consider that the earth goes through cycles just like everything else. It has been through global freezing and cooling for millions of years. A single stream of aerosol isn't going to effect that very much.
Nobody ever talked anything about it being feasible. I mentioned that simulations showed it is very much possible to alter the climate and it doesn't take a huge volcano. Some of you saw necessary to dispute it without doing your due diligence on the subject.
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Simulations are simulations. There is no way to actually prove that this is a legit theory. It is all speculations and philosophy. Just because a simulator made in when 1970?, shows that a single stream of aerosol can change the climate, doesn't mean it would actually work. I mean common, there is no way to prove that. A simulation is man made with probably not even close to the amount of actual compounds/weather patterns in the true atmosphere. We have factories and under water volcanoes that spew out crap all day every day for hundreds of years. It may join the rest of the worlds greenhouse gases, but singly they don't do a damn thing by themselves.
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Simulations are simulations. There is no way to actually prove that this is a legit theory. It is all speculations and philosophy. Just because a simulator made in when 1970?, shows that a single stream of aerosol can change the climate, doesn't mean it would actually work. I mean common, there is no way to prove that. A simulation is man made with probably not even close to the amount of actual compounds/weather patterns in the true atmosphere. We have factories and under water volcanoes that spew out crap all day every day for hundreds of years. It may join the rest of the worlds greenhouse gases, but singly they don't do a damn thing by themselves.
I place far higher trust in world renowned scientists simulations than in your opinion. End of story.
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right, even though his colleague completely shut the whole theory down with other effects that could be detrimental to the earth??
Cause and effect right?
It is not a smart idea to attempt climate change without first solving the massive human made emissions that already exist. Even that would take 10-25 years to finally see some effects. It might still not even stop it.
Don't trick yourself into believing that cloud seeding at this very moment is doing anything to reduce or cool the atmosphere. It isn't.
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right, even though his colleague completely shut the whole theory down with other effects that could be detrimental to the earth??
Cause and effect right?
It is not a smart idea to attempt climate change without first solving the massive human made emissions that already exist. Even that would take 10-25 years to finally see some effects. It might still not even stop it.
Don't trick yourself into believing that cloud seeding at this very moment is doing anything to reduce or cool the atmosphere. It isn't.
So you read and failed to understand anything I wrote. Ok.
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When I was in the Marine Corps we loaded up C130's spare fuel bladder with dihydrogen monoxide and spread that all over Okinawa. Don't believe it just check out the stats of it at ...www.FirstnameGullastnameAb le.com
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There's no question about whether or not the sort of thing ripley is talking about is 'doable'. It is. It would just be dangerous and have unknown/probably catastrophic consequences. He never said it was actually happening.
Simulations are simulations. There is no way to actually prove that this is a legit theory. It is all speculations and philosophy. Just because a simulator made in when 1970?, shows that a single stream of aerosol can change the climate, doesn't mean it would actually work. I mean common, there is no way to prove that. A simulation is man made with probably not even close to the amount of actual compounds/weather patterns in the true atmosphere. We have factories and under water volcanoes that spew out crap all day every day for hundreds of years. It may join the rest of the worlds greenhouse gases, but singly they don't do a damn thing by themselves.
here ya go
http://www.agci.org/dB/PDFs/03S2_KCaldeira_geoengineering.pdf
Also, just an aside, your science gen ed class doesn't make you a climate expert.
For example, this:
Global warming is simply due to the effect of green house gases in the atmopshere. So if you have an abundance of cloud cover with high C02 rates, you would be in a product of global warming.
Is probably the most incorrect statement in the thread, and there are plenty of silly statements in this thread.
Climate models are not fool-proof but extremely useful.
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There's no question about whether or not the sort of thing ripley is talking about is 'doable'. It is. It would just be dangerous and have unknown/probably catastrophic consequences. He never said it was actually happening.
here ya go
http://www.agci.org/dB/PDFs/03S2_KCaldeira_geoengineering.pdf
Also, just an aside, your science gen ed class doesn't make you a climate expert.
For example, this:Is probably the most incorrect statement in the thread, and there are plenty of silly statements in this thread.
Climate models are not fool-proof but extremely useful.
PSH please... You throw up a study and can't even point out points in the study that reflect your argument. Sure it can be claimed that methods may work, but the effects of attempting these GEOengineering, cloud manipulation, and strom creation is so far out of our grasp. The effects of todays' efforts to geoengineer a massive cloud blockage is simply outlandish considering the size of the atmosphere and the energy/money it would take. Not to mention sending the suns rays back into the stratosphere won't be a good idea nor will stop warming.
Furthermore, you bash my statement about C02 with cloud blockage causing warming, when in fact this is the key issue that brings us to excess C02 in the atmosphere. Cloud coverage would block all of the C02 and greenhouse gases from escaping. This was even mentioned in the article Mr. Ripley posted.
While C02 levels have increased, humans may have caused a minor shift embalance in the scale considering we only emit about 8GT into the atmosphere compared to the amount the oceans emit roughly about 700GT. If there was a shift in the oceans and plants CO2 emissions it would be a dastardly effect.
The only thing we can do to hopefully solve the human CO2 increase is to cut down our emissions, again stated in my Ripley's article. This will at least slow our imprent down. But cloud seeding and Geoingeneering weather structures is a waste of energy. The earth and bioaphere is simply too big. Plus it would be terrible for the atmopshere in general.
So you can say " I don't understand what you wrote" or that my sentence is "incorrect" when obviously it is partially true, and then don't provide any counter claim except for claiming I need more education.. Sigh. I'm not an expert but I understand the fundamentals and dynamics of how weather and wind patterns work. I'd recommend both of you to spruce up your debate and arguement skills.
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PSH please... You throw up a study and can't even point out points in the study that reflect your argument. Sure it can be claimed that methods may work, but the effects of attempting these GEOengineering, cloud manipulation, and strom creation is so far out of our grasp. The effects of todays' efforts to geoengineer a massive cloud blockage is simply outlandish considering the size of the atmosphere and the energy/money it would take. Not to mention sending the suns rays back into the stratosphere won't be a good idea nor will stop warming.
Furthermore, you bash my statement about C02 with cloud blockage causing warming, when in fact this is the key issue that brings us to excess C02 in the atmosphere. Cloud coverage would block all of the C02 and greenhouse gases from escaping. This was even mentioned in the article Mr. Ripley posted.
While C02 levels have increased, humans may have caused a minor shift embalance in the scale considering we only emit about 8GT into the atmosphere compared to the amount the oceans emit roughly about 700GT. If there was a shift in the oceans and plants CO2 emissions it would be a dastardly effect.
The only thing we can do to hopefully solve the human CO2 increase is to cut down our emissions, again stated in my Ripley's article. This will at least slow our imprent down. But cloud seeding and Geoingeneering weather structures is a waste of energy. The earth and bioaphere is simply too big. Plus it would be terrible for the atmopshere in general.
So you can say " I don't understand what you wrote" or that my sentence is "incorrect" when obviously it is partially true, and then don't provide any counter claim except for claiming I need more education.. Sigh. I'm not an expert but I understand the fundamentals and dynamics of how weather and wind patterns work. I'd recommend both of you to spruce up your debate and arguement skills.
Earth surface temperatures are, at their most basic, a combination of the effects of insolation, albedo and greenhouse gases. Each of these are effected by an insane myriad of factors from orbital Milankovitch cycles, land surface area vs. sea surface area vs. ice surface area, sea floor spreading rates, etc.
A lot of the mechanisms are still mysterious to modern science (which is why it's such an exciting field of study).
Your first and most fundamental mistake comes from the idea that any energy reflected from the earth's surface is just collected in greenhouse gases. Which, certainly, some of it is, but nowhere near all of it. This is an important effect called 'albedo' which you must have learned about in your class if you talked about snowball earth: at colder temperatures there is more sea ice, which reflects more solar energy back into space than land or especially ocean (which is particularly absorptive). This feedback mechanism getting out of control is heavily responsible for both the occurrence and persistence of the snowball/slushball episodes. If any reflected energy was simply collected by greenhouse gases, albedo wouldn't make any difference.
I'm just not sure where your whole 'cloud cover increases global warming' idea comes from in general. There's a long, long history, completely empirical and before humans had any wider understanding of climate systems, of particulate matter significantly increasing Earth's albedo leading to drastically colder temperatures. See Mt Tambora's 1815 eruption and the subsequent world wide 'Year Without a Summer' in 1816.
The paper I linked earlier (the Caldeira paper) finds that an overall increase in albedo by 1.8% would maintain/cool the earth's temperature and sea ice levels given a doubling of atmospheric CO2, with some other effects (unrelated to the mechanism that is used) that you can read about. It's not a very dense read.
Another one of your fundamental misunderstandings of climate cycles is that there is no appreciable loss of CO2 to space (CO2 is after all significantly denser than N2, this is only really big with H2 and He for obvious reasons). I'm honestly not sure where you got this from. Carbon, once released into the atmosphere, is removed by being sequestered in either the ocean or in sediments -> rocks. The ocean is in fact a carbon sink (and since dissolved CO2 exists in equilibrium with carbonic acid causes a lowering of pH of the ocean).
I mean I'm not going to go into more detail about the carbon cycle, you should really just look that up.
The issue with this type of geoengineering isn't that the atmosphere is 'too big', it's that the effects would be much wider ranging than just lowering surface temperatures, thus it's not done. The idea that it's not possible is completely unfounded.
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Had I known I'd be playing an online dog-fighting game with gorram atmospheric engineering geniuses I'd have brushed up my friggin' resume'.
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Do people get we are in a natural period of warming that is only helped by us? Odds are, it will throw us into another cold period due to fresh water diluting major water currents, stoping the flow of warm water most of Europe and North America. :noid
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Do people get we are in a natural period of warming that is only helped by us? Odds are, it will throw us into another cold period due to fresh water diluting major water currents, stoping the flow of warm water most of Europe and North America. :noid
after the week of 60+ degrees in Antarctica...Im waiting for the floods :uhoh