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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 49Dallas on October 01, 2015, 05:11:08 PM
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Why does it take 100,000lb and have a downtime of five minutes? Pick one or the other. Have no fear, We WILL STILL take the HQ down. :banana: :banana:
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awesome :aok
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Yeah the only reason you'll take down headquarters is to grieve the player base. why don't you do the Knights a favor and go back to flying for the rooks. I guess you haven't realize that what you do is pissing a lot of people off and making people quit playing because there sick and tired of the headquarters of being down.
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Yeah the only reason you'll take down headquarters is to grieve the player base. why don't you do the Knights a favor and go back to flying for the rooks. I guess you haven't realize that what you do is pissing a lot of people off and making people quit playing because there sick and tired of the headquarters of being down.
Stick it in your ear ZooM... keep'em.
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Yea we really don't need em on rooks.Sorry zoom there yours now.
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Yeah the only reason you'll take down headquarters is to grieve the player base. why don't you do the Knights a favor and go back to flying for the rooks. I guess you haven't realize that what you do is pissing a lot of people off and making people quit playing because there sick and tired of the headquarters of being down.
Must be why the rooks are begging to have us back, Or why the knights beg us to come back after we leave.
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The day that I let a strat running HQ killing 49er determine my deCision to play or not is the day I am no longer above ground..I'll either decide they deserve killing and go hunt them down, or ignore them and enjoy lights out in my tank..if all else fails I'll just switch to knights and enjoy the fruits of their labor for 6 hours...gotta roll with the punches and Find the fun in the game somewhere..I've never not been able to have Fun..even last night/early morning when there was only 10 people active I killed cvs and then parked an m4 by a convoy depot and worked on achievements.never let other players determine your fun level and ruin a game you yourself are paying to play
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In...
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Stick it in your ear ZooM... keep'em.
Lol noooooooo please please please please
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Yea we really don't need em on rooks.Sorry zoom there yours now.
I wonder if hi tech could make a separate country lol
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So I'm guessing the HQ hardness changed?
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What I'd really like to see is HQ objects attached to the Killshooter system. :devil
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Must be why the rooks are begging to have us back, Or why the knights beg us to come back after we leave.
Lol right
and thank you HTC
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October first today they go back to the Rooks, I hope they keep their word....... Knight country Chanel can go back to normal...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeee.
Ps. I never heard of any Knight begging you to comeback.........just saying :D
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Ah griefers griefed! Well done Hitech. :aok
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I am entertained.
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Stick it in your ear ZooM... keep'em.
Second!
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Yeah the only reason you'll take down headquarters is to grieve the player base. why don't you do the Knights a favor and go back to flying for the rooks. I guess you haven't realize that what you do is pissing a lot of people off and making people quit playing because there sick and tired of the headquarters of being down.
We come to the Knights to take the people who are tired of the Knights constant Fur Balling recruit them in to the 49th Squad and then go back home......So our Mission is not complete for another 31 days....Oh and could you please do the "Death Warrants" again......it was the greatest recruitment tool when we were back on Rooks, we signed up 7 people in two weeks when you did that last time. :aok And if you think for a minute people blame us for the for the eroding player base your living in a dream world. We look at this game as a WW II simulator not the arcade game you'd like it to be. The Gauntlet has been thrown down......and we'll take up the challenge because we like to win maps, disable the enemy's ability to fight.
When we fly Rooks we do the same...........as we do here. And I would bet your tune will be the same. These HVT's are on the map to impact the game play......and we intend to take full advantage of what needs to be taken down to cripple our enemy no matter what side we are playing on. I guess when we get back to Rooks you can show us how the POW take maps............I'm looking forward to the lesson.
49Dundee
49th FG XO
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We come to the Knights to take the people who are tired of the Knights constant Fur Balling recruit them in to the 49th Squad and then go back home......So our Mission is not complete for another 31 days....Oh and could you please do the "Death Warrants" again......it was the greatest recruitment tool when we were back on Rooks, we signed up 7 people in two weeks when you did that last time. :aok And it you think for a minute people blame us for the for the eroding player base your living in a dream world. We look at this game as a WW II simulator not the arcade game you'd like it to be. The Gauntlet has been thrown down......and we'll take up the challenge because we like to win maps, disable the enemy's ability to fight.
When we fly Rooks we do the same...........as we do here. And I would bet your tune will be the same. These HVT's are on the map to impact the game play......and we intend to take full advantage of what needs to be taken down to cripple our enemy no matter what side we are playing on. I guess when we get back to Rooks you can show us how the POW take maps............I'm looking forward to the lesson.
49Dundee
49th FG XO
:rofl You go girl!
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Has vDallas been hanging out with Wizz?
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Ah griefers griefed! Well done Hitech. :aok
Yay.
:aok
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HiTech sending a message to the griefers:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/wrench.gif~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/wrench.gif.html)
Should have made it 100,000,000 lbs.
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Hehe! Great stuff!
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Rooks & Knights = same country, different flag, so who cares.
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Yeah the only reason you'll take down headquarters is to grieve the player base. why don't you do the Knights a favor and go back to flying for the rooks. I guess you haven't realize that what you do is pissing a lot of people off and making people quit playing because there sick and tired of the headquarters of being down.
:rofl
cmon 49s come to bish, doors open . knights are lame . ^^^^^^
this little knights went . :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry all the way home.
:ahand
really are lame. :rofl
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Why does it take 100,000lb and have a downtime of five minutes? Pick one or the other. Have no fear, We WILL STILL take the HQ down. :banana: :banana:
(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv167/cspvisland/article-2105518-11E1B9A2000005DC-994_306x423.jpg) That is All.
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Killing the HQ is the least strategical asset to hit on the map. I expected you "bomber geeks" to have understood that by now. :bhead :old:
Thank you Hitech!
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You people clearly didn't get the memo. If, as the bombs are falling from your Castoroilanc, you hold down the ctrl key and the # key and scroll the mouse scroll wheel back at the rate of 1 revolution in 3 seconds until your bombs explode, you will find that if HQ is down and you unplug and replug something from the USB port twice that you will be able to open the text buffer with the f12 key. Do this, then type .uber alles mother (use your imagination to complete the phrase) you will unlock the f86 sabre jet and b52 auto bomber with allias icons and in flight rearm. THATS why HQ is such an important strategic target.
Remember its (use your imagination to complete the phrase) not what ever foul mouthed epithet you were thinking, you gormless seadogs.
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We come to the Knights to take the people who are tired of the Knights constant Fur Balling recruit them in to the 49th Squad and then go back home......So our Mission is not complete for another 31 days....Oh and could you please do the "Death Warrants" again......it was the greatest recruitment tool when we were back on Rooks, we signed up 7 people in two weeks when you did that last time. :aok And if you think for a minute people blame us for the for the eroding player base your living in a dream world. We look at this game as a WW II simulator not the arcade game you'd like it to be. The Gauntlet has been thrown down......and we'll take up the challenge because we like to win maps, disable the enemy's ability to fight.
When we fly Rooks we do the same...........as we do here. And I would bet your tune will be the same. These HVT's are on the map to impact the game play......and we intend to take full advantage of what needs to be taken down to cripple our enemy no matter what side we are playing on. I guess when we get back to Rooks you can show us how the POW take maps............I'm looking forward to the lesson.
49Dundee
49th FG XO
:rofl
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You people clearly didn't get the memo. If, as the bombs are falling from your Castoroilanc, you hold down the ctrl key and the # key and scroll the mouse scroll wheel back at the rate of 1 revolution in 3 seconds until your bombs explode, you will find that if HQ is down and you unplug and replug something from the USB port twice that you will be able to open the text buffer with the f12 key. Do this, then type .uber alles mother (use your imagination to complete the phrase) you will unlock the f86 sabre jet and b52 auto bomber with allias icons and in flight rearm. THATS why HQ is such an important strategic target.
Remember its (use your imagination to complete the phrase) not what ever foul mouthed epithet you were thinking, you gormless seadogs.
Shhhhhhhhhhh dangit pem! You know you're not suppose to blurt out our secrets like that! That's it, I'm kicking you out of the Latrine Wing of the Rock n' Roll squad, and taking your name off of your favorite stall!
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Oh god not the infamous Rock and Roll Squad that has to be one of the most epic threads that has ever came across this board
Edit.....enjoy http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279278.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,279278.0.html)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nR6NKVz71f4 (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nR6NKVz71f4)
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I don't know who is currently the Head King President Big Cheese of Ultimate Awesomesauce in the Rock n' Roll squad, but I'm still the Dear Leader of the Latrine Wing, and we're always recruiting!
(Btw, I'm taking donations so I can start my first month's subscription. Please and thank you :).)
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Sounds like some people have their sandpaper thongs on backwards... Turn them around... Ohh BtW remove the steel wool tampons too...
Way to go HiTech
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:rofl
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The 49ers are one of the most fun squads to fly with. Sad to see them leave the knight side, I will hang out with them over in rookland often though. As for the HQ, the bish have been keeping knights HQ down for the last two days in the early morning hours US (evening in China) because its always 2-3 knights vs a horde of 17-20 bish. My guess is a lot of bish are in the UK. Not complaining, if you got the manpower, might as well use it. However, we will return the favor on the HQ.
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salt there's like 5 of you outside of the united states :).
semp
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We look at this game as a WW II simulator not the arcade game you'd like it to be.
Exactly what aspect or mission of WW2 are you simulating by driving a convoy of M3 GMCs 200 miles through the heart of an enemy nation without being noticed by the inhabitants, to shell down a building that magically makes every radar at every base on one side stop working without any indication to any living person that the magic building is under attack?
Talk about arcade games...
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HQ hardness has been changed to 100,000 pounds of bombs?
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Exactly what aspect or mission of WW2 are you simulating by driving a convoy of M3 GMCs 200 miles through the heart of an enemy nation without being noticed by the inhabitants, to shell down a building that magically makes every radar at every base on one side stop working without any indication to any living person that the magic building is under attack?
Talk about arcade games...
The imaginary one in griefers' minds......
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sheep it! I don't care what's said about them, if they're leaving an airfield, on my team, Aces High III! I'll be joining them. It's always more fun with support... Plus it seems the hate is so strong that last night while escorting them to hit bish city, i was overwhelmed with the welcome mat that was put out in the order of 163's n the like. . .
Good, Bad, & Trolls, we have'em all....
Thanks 49's for keeping the angst of cartoon war alive. :rock (just let me know if you're going to do that to our country, and I'll also roll out the welcome mat, errr "Death Warrant", err whatever perk price bounty is placed on you guys)
Natcigg, I refute your lameness claim. :cool:
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Ah griefers griefed! Well done Hitech. :aok
Dale,
I'm going to start flying again thanks to your decision to bomb the griefers. I'll be adding my 4 shade accts too lol
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Killing the HQ is the least strategical asset to hit on the map. I expected you "bomber geeks" to have understood that by now. :bhead :old:
Thank you Hitech!
at the risk of bursting into flames... I woulda thought for total air superiority and unchallenged bombing runs, the HQ would be the MOST strategic target for bomber geeks...
It's just that very little of the arena population give a hoot to actually defend the thing that affects their gameplay so much. Ok Ok Ok you dont want to climb out to their alt.... (Insert wish)... 30 of our 88mm flak guns around HQ would be a nice touch no?
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at the risk of bursting into flames... I woulda thought for total air superiority and unchallenged bombing runs, the HQ would be the MOST strategic target for bomber geeks...
It's just that very little of the arena population give a hoot to actually defend the thing that affects their gameplay so much. Ok Ok Ok you dont want to climb out to their alt.... (Insert wish)... 30 of our 88mm flak guns around HQ would be a nice touch no?
You should focus on killing the HQ when you almost have a victory. You kill the HQ to take the last 2 or 3 bases you need without the enemy knowing which bases you will attack. That is the strategy to killing the HQ and winning the war.
Now, if your team still has 25 bases to capture, while one person goes and hits the HQ. Two things will happen, one the person who killed the HQ has taken the fun out of the other team and they will log and do something else. 2, you won't have a strategic team that wants to go capture base after base, therefore, you killed the fight for everyone else that was having fun, while also not coordinating your team to capture bases, thereby making the map boring for your team as well.
This is a combat game, not lets see how many people we can get to log by being a chooch. 95% of the time, the team that kills the HQ still doesn't capture any bases. It's a clear statistic I've seen over an over again. A lot of times, your team has no idea their HQ is even down. Why waste 2 hours of your time attacking the HQ when it literally does nothing to directly benefit your team?
You'd be much better off going base to base and killing ords.
You'd be much better off using a 110 raid with 7-8 people to demolish a nonpopular base for a quick base grab. You'd be much better off going to strat factories and knocking them down.
There are so many other better options to be destructive on the map without having to kill the HQ and the best part is, you slowly weaken them without them realizing it, that way people still enjoy the game and it still serves a purpose for offense and defense. This makes capturing bases much easier for your team.
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You are missing the entire point Violator, they just want to piss people off, and if it does it so strongly that they quit that's a win win in their book because now they have diminished opposition for the next time they hit HQ and the next......ad infinitum.
While I have been defending the HQ as of late, after I kill the incoming buffs I've been PM'n these guys and asking why they do it when they know it does make people log. I'm a Knight so it's bish and rooks I'm defending it from and to a man, over and over again, I get the answer "because the 49'ers keep dropping ours. That's what I believe the saddest part of this whole thing, the 49'ers game play makes people log and inspires others to do the same thing to make even more people log. It's sad, truly, it doesn't make me mad it just makes me feel sad for the game and the great people that are here that just want to have some fun.
There is always a squad like these guys, before them it was the V-tards and before them it was the Clam Humpers and before that it was the..............I'm convinced it's the same group of guys that gravitate toward squads that just like being knobs. The 49'ers will implode sooner or later and we will be on to the next one, with the same guys.
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HQ hardness has been changed to 100,000 pounds of bombs?
Yes. 5 minutes of basic downtime and a hardness of 100,000lb of damage. But it has to be done manually each time a map changes
For the record, 100K equals 3 formations of Lancasters or 2 formations of B-29 (with the 40x500lb loadout). Imho, that's still not that much at prime time, but should reduce the number of HQ dropping during off hours (in other words: at a time when it's most detrimental to the arena, as you can mostly forget any chance of resupping).
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For the record, 100K equals 3 formations of Lancasters or 2 formations of B-29 (with the 40x500lb loadout).
From personal experience the 40x500lb loadout for the b29 vs. HQ is inadvisable, it just takes too long for the bombs to leave the aircraft. So 4x4000lbs or 8x2000lbs loadout will still need 3 sets of b29s. Which is great IMO, as there is no more lone wolf HQ knockouts. - <S> Hetz
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. So 4x4000lbs or 8x2000lbs loadout will still need 3 sets of b29s.
With the 4x4000lb loadout you would need 4 sets, as a 4k HC bomb only does about 2344lb of damage.
With the 8x2000lb loadout, you need 3 sets indeed.
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good to know <S>
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49Dallas has a valid point; now that the HQ damage has been increased, perhaps the HQ downtime should revert back to the way it was. The sneaky lone wolf bomber is eliminated so its gonna take a raid to do it. Make it worthwile. Meanwhile defenders will more likely up and make it a good show, so to speak.
The damage increase was THE best solution to the HQ controversy. It shifts a bit more emphasis on the strategic game<S>
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49Dallas has a valid point; now that the HQ damage has been increased, perhaps the HQ downtime should revert back to the way it was. The sneaky lone wolf bomber is eliminated so its gonna take a raid to do it. Make it worthwile. Meanwhile defenders will more likely up and make it a good show, so to speak.
The damage increase was THE best solution to the HQ controversy. It shifts a bit more emphasis on the strategic game<S>
No. The city can be hit first and exponentially increase the HQ down time so the strategy is already in place to make it fun.
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No. The city can be hit first and exponentially increase the HQ down time
It's a linear increase :P :bolt:
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Exponentially linear increase.
:neener:
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Extraordinary linear perhaps :old:
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Yeah, I'm not sure if anything can actually be Exponentially linear. It's kinda hurting my brain to think about it.
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Lets see how the greifers take this challenge.
1. - At least one of them knows the City controls the HQ rebuild time. 5 min in that case has been a formality until now.
2. - Late nights at least one of them can afford B29 and the time to fly around which I have observed.
3. - The 49th as fun police in chief these days will have to try at least once with the formula Lusche laid out. Hitech has challenged the Balrog.
4. - Chances are their attempt will be preceded with an increased amount of activity mounted against a City so if they do succeed in dropping the HQ it makes a BIG IMPRESSION time wise.
5. - Keeping a City at 0% all night is not as immediately satisfying as dropping the HQ all night. The effect on the game can be argued to have a stronger effect over time, but most of us just ignore it. The HQ is the key to our collective happiness visa direct impact on our fun.
So an HQ raid now will be kind of obvious, and we know what they will have to bring to the game to succeed. Hope a lot of you guys have 163 perks.
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From personal experience the 40x500lb loadout for the b29 vs. HQ is inadvisable, it just takes too long for the bombs to leave the aircraft. So 4x4000lbs or 8x2000lbs loadout will still need 3 sets of b29s. Which is great IMO, as there is no more lone wolf HQ knockouts. - <S> Hetz
For 30 bucks a month you and your favorite shade can....just sayin
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For 30 bucks a month you and your favorite shade can....just sayin
2 Sets of B29s cant do it unless you slowed way down (200mph maybe) and made 2 passes, which is plausible I guess
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Even if the HQ gets dropped. Resupplying the city will be the fastest way to get the HQ back up. By that time the greifer will be obvious to the 163s. Or, on the Fester map if they take the airfield closest to the City like the bish seem to do. Low level bomber free kills for conventional aircraft. Or something to do with a gazillion 262 perks.
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Even if the HQ gets dropped. Resupplying the city will be the fastest way to get the HQ back up.
Resupplying the city
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City impacts HQ rebuild time.
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City impacts HQ rebuild time.
But not retroactive. City status is used to calculate downtime of the HQ (and towns, of course) at the moment it goes down, and only then.
Changes tot he remaining downtime of any objects can only be done by manual resupply to them (remaining downtime decreases) or by killing their supply convoys/trains/barges (if applicable; remaining downtime increases)
No object will come up faster because you are resupplying the strat it's connected to.
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Must be why the rooks are begging to have us back, Or why the knights beg us to come back after we leave.
i dont mind what side you guys are on but ^^^^ is the most delusional thing i've read on this forum.
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Lets see how the greifers take this challenge.
1. - At least one of them knows the City controls the HQ rebuild time. 5 min in that case has been a formality until now.
2. - Late nights at least one of them can afford B29 and the time to fly around which I have observed.
3. - The 49th as fun police in chief these days will have to try at least once with the formula Lusche laid out. Hitech has challenged the Balrog.
4. - Chances are their attempt will be preceded with an increased amount of activity mounted against a City so if they do succeed in dropping the HQ it makes a BIG IMPRESSION time wise.
5. - Keeping a City at 0% all night is not as immediately satisfying as dropping the HQ all night. The effect on the game can be argued to have a stronger effect over time, but most of us just ignore it. The HQ is the key to our collective happiness visa direct impact on our fun.
So an HQ raid now will be kind of obvious, and we know what they will have to bring to the game to succeed. Hope a lot of you guys have 163 perks.
Beep Beep..........who said we are bringing Bombers...........(http://olive-drab.com/images/id_t19_howitzermotorcarriage_700.jpg)
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i dont mind what side you guys are on but ^^^^ is the most delusional thing i've read on this forum.
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100,000 lbs :aok
'bout bloody time too!
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Must be why the rooks are begging to have us back, Or why the knights beg us to come back after we leave.
I guarantee you nobody on Rooks is begging anyone with that atitude to come back.
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Who's going to attack HQ now? :( who's going to play AH? what's left?
Defending HQ and attacking with large raids was one of the best fun large scale actions in this game ; Sad to see another old great feature of the game gone , eliminating slowly all the strategy/ tactic gaming eliminates hundreds of players; absolutely wrong major disastrous changes in response to a noisy minority on BB without consulting with the core of paying clients, (most never get on BB);
imo Bombers precision is ridiculous was supposed to be toned down, should decrease exponential with altitude and speed because is affecting all the game assets not HQ only; the HQ damage resistance was raised before from 18,000lbs to 38,000 lbs without results;
And second the price of the Me163s; 3-4 years ago I had shot down Fester's B17s , I remember clear on Baltic, NW corner, off map; Next day he started a noisy campaign vs Komet on BB; immediately HTC doubled Me163s price, and what you got ever since? did higher price affect Snailman and myself ? Naa; Now most players can't afford it and never learn to fly it, this was one of the main reason HQ was mostly down over past 3-4years;
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Who's going to attack HQ now? :( who's going to play AH? what's left?
Defending HQ and attacking with large raids was one of the best fun large scale actions in this game
...and that's what it takes now, as opposed to one dweeb in a set of lancs.
Wiley.
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Naa; Now most players can't afford it and never learn to fly it, this was one of the main reason HQ was mostly down over past 3-4years;
The main reason was the changed strats system 3 years ago combined with lower player count.
The effect of a killed HQ had been significantly increased by that. Much longer downtimes than before (up to 165 minutes instead of 45 minutes flat), decreased supply efficiency and less players available to resupply it in the first place.
That made it a much tastier target than before and caused a much higher impact. Especially as at lower player numbers, the gameplay effect is far worse. When there's just 30-70 players online on a large map you can't just "join the closest furball" while your HQ is dead. You will just see a base flash here & there, or a factory when it's already too late.
Oh, and as Wiley said: HQ can still be taken down with a raid, and can still be down up to 125 minutes. 100K of damage= 3 sets Lancs, 2-4 sets B-29s, or 8 sets of B-26s.
In the past most HQ's were NOT taken down by great raids, but by single raiders. Often going NOE all the way, on several maps you can do that without flashing any dar until it's too late.
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Who's going to attack HQ now? :( who's going to play AH? what's left?
Defending HQ and attacking with large raids was one of the best fun large scale actions in this game ; Sad to see another old great feature of the game gone , eliminating slowly all the strategy/ tactic gaming eliminates hundreds of players; absolutely wrong major disastrous changes in response to a noisy minority on BB without consulting with the core of paying clients, (most never get on BB);
imo Bombers precision is ridiculous was supposed to be toned down, should decrease exponential with altitude and speed because is affecting all the game assets not HQ only; the HQ damage resistance was raised before from 18,000lbs to 38,000 lbs without results;
And second the price of the Me163s; 3-4 years ago I had shot down Fester's B17s , I remember clear on Baltic, NW corner, off map; Next day he started a noisy campaign vs Komet on BB; immediately HTC doubled Me163s price, and what you got ever since? did higher price affect Snailman and myself ? Naa; Now most players can't afford it and never learn to fly it, this was one of the main reason HQ was mostly down over past 3-4years;
Do you feel "griefed" ghi?
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Oh, and as Wiley said: HQ can still be taken down with a raid, and can still be down up to 125 minutes. 100K of damage= 3 sets Lancs, 2-4 sets B-29s, or 8 sets of B-26s.
So we can log in during low number times now and have a chance to find a fight AND HQ can still be taken down by a coordinated yet modest set of bombers. That sounds like a very well thought out solution.
Thank you for this change. :salute
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Do you feel "griefed" ghi?
Ohh yes :furious ;
HQ raids were best fun, now are history, with 5 min downtime and 100,000lbs ! (hilarious resistance), ; :( hmm, sacrifice the best features of the game for one poorly designed and bugged map .
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Ghi, I think you are missing the point, especially because you said "HQ Raids used to be fun".
People can still take HQ down and they can still take it down for a long amount of time but now they must organize a raid that hits the city first and then organize a raid to hit the HQ. I don't know about you but I've always thought of a raid as more than one aircraft. More than one griefing player who keeps hitting HQ because he's only happy when others are mad and quitting the game.
Thank you HiTech, you have vastly improved this game with a few keyboard strokes.
There are still plenty of guys hitting the strats GHI, and if you want to defend them there are plenty of targets coming your way. The HQ is not the only strat in the game.
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Ohh yes :furious ;
HQ raids were best fun, now are history, with 5 min downtime and 100,000lbs ! (hilarious resistance), ; :( hmm, sacrifice the best features of the game for one poorly designed and bugged map .
You should be in your glory GHI! Now it actually DOES take a raid to do the damage one yahoo who has learned to dodge trees in a lanc use to do.
3 sets of Lancs hit the city, and 3 sets of lancs hit the HQ and you can still cause all the "grief" you want.
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Yep!
Glad to see it will now take more than 1 set of lancs to drop a HQ.
Now it becomes a coordinated team effort. I don't think the down time should change though. If you bomb a city strat then drop HQ, let it take a while to resupply. Makes the bombing of the strats worth the effort.
But now that you can see a larger DARBAR enroute to your HQ, if you don't up to defend that, you deserve the downtime IHMO.
Nice decision on the hardness. Thank you!!!!!
:rock
SlipKnoT
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You should be in your glory GHI! Now it actually DOES take a raid to do the damage one yahoo who has learned to dodge trees in a lanc use to do.
Going by his comments, I doubt he's actually reading anything other than his own posts.
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Going by his comments, I doubt he's actually reading anything other than his own posts.
If I had Ghi's perfect Russian spy voice, I'd probably read my posts over and over to myself too! :P
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Well, I guess I'll chime in on this to.
This may come as a shock to most, but I also agree with the change to 100,000lbs of ords to kill the HQ. I have done a lot of research on WWII era flack towers, and can tell you it would take a heck of a lot of explosives to kill one. Especially the German type which represents the HQ. The fact is that in real life these were MASSIVE structures. The HQ type was seven stories of reinforced concrete built to not only fire at bombers, but to house 10,000 citizens in its air raid shelter. It even had four 12ton armored ammo vaults on the top of the building to supply the roof guns. One of these towers still sits today imploded upon itself.
I am glad to see that some of the old salts to the game are coming back to play again due to the HQ change. That is wonderful for the community as a whole! For the record, 90% of the time the 49thFG does not kill HQs to "grief" people. The other 10% of that time has been a more recent occurrence and is due solely to the continuous and relentless "grief" the 49thFG takes from the "griefers" & "trolls" in the community; in game & on the BBS. Every time an HQ goes down the 49thFG must be the culprit and is instantly blamed for it, which is BS. I also hear a lot that we are dweebs in bombers, that bail after the HQ goes down. I can assure you that is not the case. What is most likely the case is that we are sitting at the base of the building waiting for it to come up again so we can kill it again; not to "grief" anyone, but because when you drive that far why take it down only once? Not to mention that you would think someone would come kill us, which on some occasions happens. BTW we do not get pissed off when that happens, we expect it! One guy, two cahones, and an IL-2 could have ended all these "issues" before they ever got started. Unfortunately though it takes less effort and skill to log & whine than it does to defend a strategic target.
While I do agree with a harder HQ, I also think it should stay down the same time as it has been, if not a lil longer to adjust for the increased hardness. It is still a strategic target, still causes a serious disadvantage to the enemy, and should now more than ever be worth while in attacking. I have never thought it was a good, logical, or sane thing that one set of Lancs could kill an HQ; and now that three sets can take it down for 5 min is essentially removing it from the game. If that is the intended outcome, why not just actually remove it? The band-aid that has been applied is a sad concession to a few...who apparently have a few accounts. I doubt anything with the down time will change unless enough of us gripe about it, but whatever...
49MERLIN
CO 49thFG
P.S.: Since it now takes so much explosives to kill the HQ, and we will never have nuclear arms; how about change the typical fire and smoke of an HQ kill to a small mushroom cloud to represent a "nuclear like" explosion and make some good film for anyone capable of achieving 100,000lbs of damage to any one target!?! This type of mushroom cloud explosion did exist during WWII as is evidenced by the 1Kt TNT test which was a part of the Manhattan Project,(used to determine blast & yield data for the A-bomb).
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Thank you Merlin. I disagree with you about the downtime, ONLY because the radar is so vital for the way the game is being played. Doing without it for prolonged periods of time has become an obvious reason for reduction in population.
If downtime of HQ had some other function that did not BLIND an entire country, then I might agree with you even more. :cheers:
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Thank you Merlin. I disagree with you about the downtime, ONLY because the radar is so vital for the way the game is being played. Doing without it for prolonged periods of time has become an obvious reason for reduction in population.
If downtime of HQ had some other function that did not BLIND an entire country, then I might agree with you even more. :cheers:
That is the whole problem of the HQ debacle. Changing the hardness and downtime does not fix the inherent flaw in the game.
Having people do mass resupply runs or fly CAP over the HQ for hours on end, is not good for game play. Neither is people logging off because they can't be bothered with wild goose chases, hoping to find where the action is. Combat games need to facilitate combat, not stifle it.
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Having people do mass resupply runs or fly CAP over the HQ for hours on end, is not good for game play. Neither is people logging off because they can't be bothered with wild goose chases, hoping to find where the action is. Combat games need to facilitate combat, not stifle it.
And here is the real issue. Bomber pilots from any generation would argue that bomb runs are certainly combat. Resupply is a part of war. For runs that result in player griefing, the only solution is hardness and downtime. If your side let them bomb it unharrassed, you deserve SOME penalty eh? Reducing downtime and increasing hardness removes most of the griefer motivation. That's all that's needs be done...remove their angle for griefing.
To strategically drop HQ for a period of time for nefarious, wartime reasons and to facilitate a tactical part of a larger plan is still available to the player base.
I can't see where Hitech missed on this.
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For the record, 90% of the time the 49thFG does not kill HQs to "grief" people. The other 10% of that time has been a more recent occurrence and is due solely to the continuous and relentless "grief" the 49thFG takes from the "griefers" & "trolls" in the community; in game & on the BBS. Every time an HQ goes down the 49thFG must be the culprit and is instantly blamed for it, which is BS. I also hear a lot that we are dweebs in bombers, that bail after the HQ goes down. I can assure you that is not the case. What is most likely the case is that we are sitting at the base of the building waiting for it to come up again so we can kill it again; not to "grief" anyone, but because when you drive that far why take it down only once? Not to mention that you would think someone would come kill us, which on some occasions happens. BTW we do not get pissed off when that happens, we expect it! One guy, two cahones, and an IL-2 could have ended all these "issues" before they ever got started. Unfortunately though it takes less effort and skill to log & whine than it does to defend a strategic target.
This is the part that I have a problem with in your post.
First, blaming the 49ers for HQ raids may or may not be on point. I don't know how often you guys take it down and how often others do, but if you take it down just to "spite" everyone who accuses your squad, even once, then you all deserve all the angst you guys get. Rise above the name calling and take out HQ for your strategic reasons
Second, as for your strategic reasons, the point.... strategically of taking out HQ is to blind the other team of what is going on. How many bases have you snatched WHILE the dar is down? Can't be many if your "sitting at the at the base of the building waiting for it to come up again so we can kill it again; not to "grief" anyone, but because when you drive that far why take it down only once?". Sound like your doing just because, not strategically.
Personally I only play a few hours a week. I certainly don't want to waste a third of it hunting a few yahoos getting their jollies off dropping HQ.
The "time down" can still be obtained by dropping the city so the "5 minutes" shouldn't be an issue for a real co-ordinated raid. All it does is stop a single player from dropping it just to be annoying.
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For the record, 90% of the time the 49thFG does not kill HQs to "grief" people.
Rings hollow when one of your squad mates is sitting in a barn in a jeep for the sole purpose of flashing the strat.
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Some people will never get it. What's happened here is a very few people/squads have broken Skuzzy's simple rule: "don't be a dick". Not hard to understand. THAT is why this change was implemented. To have the rest of us believe it's all part of some strategic master plan is so much bs! They're doing it because they can--and no other reason--to the detriment of the vast majority of players. Those players have spoken. Get over it. Maps have been won and lost for years and years (and I've been around for a lot of them) and we didn't have to kill the HQ every hour on the hour to do it. So..... No.... Ya don't have to do that to "win the war". Nice try.
Now go out there and take some bases. Maybe actually fight with the other players over them. It's a whole lot of fun!
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The other 10% of that time has been a more recent occurrence and is due solely to the continuous and relentless "grief" the 49thFG takes from the "griefers" & "trolls" in the community; in game & on the BBS. Every time an HQ goes down the 49thFG must be the culprit and is instantly blamed for it, which is BS. I also hear a lot that we are dweebs in bombers, that bail after the HQ goes down. I can assure you that is not the case. What is most likely the case is that we are sitting at the base of the building waiting for it to come up again so we can kill it again; not to "grief" anyone, but because when you drive that far why take it down only once?
Right. Well, lets scratch the surface here and find some reality. You guys may not have come up with the idea, but you damn sure ran with it. You were proudly loud about it. You were perfectly aware of the discontent you were causing, and you proudly proclaimed you would continue "no matter what" (that's paraphrased). And now you're trying to justify your actions.
Sorry, but I gotta call B.S. on this one. You guys brought this on yourselves. The writing was on the wall a good long time, but you HAD to press the issue. Now, you've been dealt with... and "a few whiners" causing the change is only proof you haven't received the message STILL.
Drano is right on target, it's about not being a dick.
You're a fun group to work with, and fight... a great group of guys. The driving all day to kill HQ was awesome. I flew along side ya'll for awhile, and it was fun. Thing is, ya'll wore out the fun and turned it into a full blown display of attention seeking grief. Then along come the copy-cats.
Fact is, you were warned. Just take it for what it is and learn from it.
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Going by his comments, I doubt he's actually reading anything other than his own posts.
Dude, you are more prolific than Honoré de Balzac, I don't have time to read your whole endless phone book.
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LOL well speaking from my own experience with the 49th and I know I won't be popular for this but I really don't mind them..sometimes I even get a pm from them saYing hey making strat run or hey Scotty love the view from your HQ..Which is them saying hey come kill us..if im not doing anything I'm all to happy to oblige..I spent 45min looking for just one slippery lil dundee once in my a20 ..half the Time the radar is out at the base I'm fighting at anyways so it has no effect for me if hq is down..sometime I prefer it down cause when it pops it looks like a horde of red bees wherever I'm at just imho.. Ps..someone is always having fun at the expense of another in this game why should the 49th be any different?
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So ive been gone for about 3 weeks or better...what have the effects been of the changes? I read earlier it was down all day for the bish
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So ive been gone for about 3 weeks or better...what have the effects been of the changes? I read earlier it was down all day for the bish
The effect is that the HQ is down much less, especially at low times with few players on (when it also had the worst impact). 100K of damage now means you need 3 sets of Lancasters with all bombs spot on. Downtime can be greatly extended by bombing the city first, so we still have a target worthy of big raids - it's just that single players can't sneak their way to the HQ for maximum disruption anymore. Effort and results are more balanced now.
The 'down all day' thing just happened because the Knights had captured a vehicle base spawning to it and the Bish were incapable to get it back - despite having 3 uncapturable airfields around it and the next Knight airfield about 5 sectors away.
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Bish were incapable to get it back - despite having 3 uncapturable airfields around it and the next Knight airfield about 5 sectors away.
:headscratch: At least when I was on every one seemed to be out to drop bombs on GV's. No attempt even too try & capture it. Also managed to drop a Cookie from 14k on a Wirbel that hid himself on the hillside off base.
Was fun actually.
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You're on team A and the 49ers are on team B. They drive 6.5 hours to drop your HQ and plan to sit there and keep it down for hours.
My solution #1:
all team A players switch to team C and take team A bases until the war is won. Should take 15 min. Rest the Map and laugh at the guys who spent 6.5 hours driving to lose the war in 15 min.
Change the side switching timer to reset when a war is won, so you can immediately go back to side A.(if that's not already the case)
My Solution#2
Chage local Radar so it is not controlled by HQ. That makes no sense anyway.
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Solution #1 would force 49rs into buffs and we are just as capable in them solution #1 would be challenging but not stop the 49th. I say we but im one of the fighter jocks GVs arent my thing.
Solution #2 would result in the 49th to work harder for the same effect. Drop Dar strat and pork dars for desired effect. Just be NOE for sneaks. The Dar bar is the desired target when the 49th hits HQ.
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The effect is that the HQ is down much less, especially at low times with few players on (when it also had the worst impact). 100K of damage now means you need 3 sets of Lancasters with all bombs spot on. Downtime can be greatly extended by bombing the city first, so we still have a target worthy of big raids - it's just that single players can't sneak their way to the HQ for maximum disruption anymore. Effort and results are more balanced now.
The 'down all day' thing just happened because the Knights had captured a vehicle base spawning to it and the Bish were incapable to get it back - despite having 3 uncapturable airfields around it and the next Knight airfield about 5 sectors away.
I agree with the hardness setting. Others in my squadron may not. The CO who posts the majority of the missions agrees with the new setting (hardness) as well.
Ill have a personal whine for just a second here. Many people and I mean many complain about having to put in effort to destroy the HQ or lack there of. The 49th puts in a ton of effort to do this when they take M3s. I say they simply because the farthest I will drive is 2 sectors and that is very rare, I like short flights then tons of action. Anyways, The planning they put in takes time then the driving is a pain in the arse and takes away from IMO alot of fun, If seen half way through and engaged most will die in the first engagement, If the very few AA platforms DO kill the aircraft that spots them then the location is known to the whole enemy force and in 5min several 190s and A20s show up. Ive heard VOX when that happens and the raid is a failure.
Now look at the terrain crossed. there are rivers valleies steep mountains ect that cant be crossed for several sectors finding the proper route takes time too. There is a lot of work involved in these raids Effort is extensively put in to these long and boring raids results were and still are balanced for the HQ GV raiders. Arguements stating otherwise are invalid unless you have been through the process to do it successfully. If you havent done it and just say its easy to do then lets see it. I guarentee that if the HQ is flashing and no dar around it you will be found if the 49th or anyone has participated with the 49th in these raids will find you. If the DAR goes down and never flashes then you have sucessfully done it and know how it works its just harder to find a small group of GVs in that big of a radious surrounding an HQ.
But the lone lanc NOE killing it IMO was bad. 4-5 NOE Lancs staying hidden and doing it put some effort in to doing so.
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I agree with the hardness setting. Others in my squadron may not. The CO who posts the majority of the missions agrees with the new setting (hardness) as well.
Ill have a personal whine for just a second here. Many people and I mean many complain about having to put in effort to destroy the HQ or lack there of. The 49th puts in a ton of effort to do this when they take M3s. I say they simply because the farthest I will drive is 2 sectors and that is very rare, I like short flights then tons of action. Anyways, The planning they put in takes time then the driving is a pain in the arse and takes away from IMO alot of fun, If seen half way through and engaged most will die in the first engagement, If the very few AA platforms DO kill the aircraft that spots them then the location is known to the whole enemy force and in 5min several 190s and A20s show up. Ive heard VOX when that happens and the raid is a failure.
Now look at the terrain crossed. there are rivers valleies steep mountains ect that cant be crossed for several sectors finding the proper route takes time too. There is a lot of work involved in these raids Effort is extensively put in to these long and boring raids results were and still are balanced for the HQ GV raiders. Arguements stating otherwise are invalid unless you have been through the process to do it successfully. If you havent done it and just say its easy to do then lets see it. I guarentee that if the HQ is flashing and no dar around it you will be found if the 49th or anyone has participated with the 49th in these raids will find you. If the DAR goes down and never flashes then you have sucessfully done it and know how it works its just harder to find a small group of GVs in that big of a radious surrounding an HQ.
But the lone lanc NOE killing it IMO was bad. 4-5 NOE Lancs staying hidden and doing it put some effort in to doing so.
Yes they put forth great effort, their driving skills are second to none, hell I'll even give them accolades for being good at using the "artillery" they have, but the point is they do it all, planning, hours of driving, practice at learning the ranging of guns and so on, all just to piss people off. If while they had HQ down there was base after base attacked taking advantage of the no dar situation (...and creating fights) I'd call it a strategic move. Seeing as every time I've been on and they have done it there isn't even a single attack, I call it griefing.
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Yes they put forth great effort, their driving skills are second to none, hell I'll even give them accolades for being good at using the "artillery" they have, but the point is they do it all, planning, hours of driving, practice at learning the ranging of guns and so on, all just to piss people off. If while they had HQ down there was base after base attacked taking advantage of the no dar situation (...and creating fights) I'd call it a strategic move. Seeing as every time I've been on and they have done it there isn't even a single attack, I call it griefing.
exactly!
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Some of you act like its the end of the game when we do this kind of stuff. If it makes y'all feel better, we'll stop...with the Gvs runs lol. Expect us to be in the air for a little while even though once we do take HQ down or City to a low %, you'll all still be whining and crying that we either "Don't fight like men" or "If we don't want to hide on the ground, we'll hide at 30k". Either way y'all will still whine however we do it. I'm sorry, but 3 years ago we used to hit strategic targets and people would up to kill us for fun. Now that we've implemented the GV runs, everyone loses their minds. With all do respect to the players of this game, we will NOT stop our runs. We will start to do more then just bomb HQ or other Strats, but it seems no matter what we do we always get that one person or squad to hate. We love it lol.<<S>> Guys, see y'all in game. :salute :rock :ahand
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With all do respect to the players of this game, we will NOT stop our runs. We will start to do more then just bomb HQ or other Strats, but it seems no matter what we do we always get that one person or squad to hate. We love it lol.<<S>> Guys, see y'all in game. :salute :rock :ahand
Don't stop your runs. Just stop doing simply to raise the bar on being the biggest dicks to get attention. Real simple translation, grow up, and quit being obtuse. Easy.
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Some of you act like its the end of the game when we do this kind of stuff. If it makes y'all feel better, we'll stop...with the Gvs runs lol. Expect us to be in the air for a little while even though once we do take HQ down or City to a low %, you'll all still be whining and crying that we either "Don't fight like men" or "If we don't want to hide on the ground, we'll hide at 30k". Either way y'all will still whine however we do it. I'm sorry, but 3 years ago we used to hit strategic targets and people would up to kill us for fun. Now that we've implemented the GV runs, everyone loses their minds. With all do respect to the players of this game, we will NOT stop our runs. We will start to do more then just bomb HQ or other Strats, but it seems no matter what we do we always get that one person or squad to hate. We love it lol.<<S>> Guys, see y'all in game. :salute :rock :ahand
3 years ago there was 2, maybe 3 times the players in the arenas. Its hard to find fights now and when you clowns drop HQ, its much harder. Keep at it, soon we'll all be stuck playing warthunder :(
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See Rule #4
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^ lol he got 4ed.
Anywho. The lack of attacks falls on several different things. 1 being that the ones who were going to lead the attacks gets called to tend to RL matters or logs for various reasons. 2 the attacks are well defended (prolly cause the target bases are filled with POed pilots) 3 The allied forces are un willing to become organized to strike at this opportune time. the 3 most common. At times there are other reasons but they tend to not be as numerous as these. Theres maybe 3-5 of us who will hit bases at these times but the other pilots dont organize or dont come heavy and it falls to pieces quite a bit. Then theres time where bases fall in rapid succession. Most complaints come from the furballing community.
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I think the 49 players demonstrate that the game could use a couple more strat type targets that can only be destroyed with effort. I can't begrudge them the effort, It doesn't bother me that they would be doing it to the other strats, its just the stupid HQ thing that is depraved. I'd say they need the kind of targets that everyone would enjoy. Convoys of ships, trains that aren't just the every 5 minute strat resupply, that kind of thing.
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Shouldn't taking HQ down take the ability to run missions down? To have it take radar down when it's far away from the bases is a little funny to me any way. Just thinking out loud.
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Pemb we have been asking for that FOREVER!!!!! And we hit ALL the strats except for the fuel strat. When Dar strat is hit and 1/2 the map has no dar rings its us, when AAA is down and many frontline bases deacked its us. Im not saying every time but a lot of the time.
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Yes they put forth great effort, their driving skills are second to none, hell I'll even give them accolades for being good at using the "artillery" they have, but the point is they do it all, planning, hours of driving, practice at learning the ranging of guns and so on, all just to piss people off. If while they had HQ down there was base after base attacked taking advantage of the no dar situation (...and creating fights) I'd call it a strategic move. Seeing as every time I've been on and they have done it there isn't even a single attack, I call it griefing.
THIS
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Should be called the v49's as new title holders of the biggest dikheads in the game. Out for 1 reason only.. to troll the fun from everyone else.
All hail the vtards of 2015.. the 49's :bhead
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Saturday afternoon the rooks had A193. A base in the center of a long front of Knit land. To the island south of it was two ports, and a base to the north less than 25 miles away. A bunch of 49ers as well as a number of other Knights were trying to grab the base back, and a half dozen or so rooks were defending it.
For an hour or so we held them off, killing cv after cv, destroying LVT after LVT not to mention bunches of aircraft. I know I died more than I killed. I don't know what others thought, but I had a blast! For more than an hour we were going back and forth. This is what the game is all about to me. And the 49ers made it happen this time instead of killing the fun and sucking the life out of the game by dropping HQ.
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So wait a minute? You're saying guys actually fought each other out in the light of day and.....it was FUN?
THAT'S JUST CRAZY TALK!
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So wait a minute? You're saying guys actually fought each other out in the light of day and.....it was FUN?
THAT'S JUST CRAZY TALK!
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It was early in the day too so I cant say drinking was involved, but it just blew my mind. It was really odd. :cool:
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Should be called the v49's as new title holders of the biggest dikheads in the game. Out for 1 reason only.. to troll the fun from everyone else.
All hail the vtards of 2015.. the 49's :bhead
4Tards has a certain ring to it :)
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We come to the Knights to take the people who are tired of the Knights constant Fur Balling recruit them in to the 49th Squad and then go back home......So our Mission is not complete for another 31 days....Oh and could you please do the "Death Warrants" again......it was the greatest recruitment tool when we were back on Rooks, we signed up 7 people in two weeks when you did that last time. :aok And if you think for a minute people blame us for the for the eroding player base your living in a dream world. We look at this game as a WW II simulator not the arcade game you'd like it to be. The Gauntlet has been thrown down......and we'll take up the challenge because we like to win maps, disable the enemy's ability to fight.
When we fly Rooks we do the same...........as we do here. And I would bet your tune will be the same. These HVT's are on the map to impact the game play......and we intend to take full advantage of what needs to be taken down to cripple our enemy no matter what side we are playing on. I guess when we get back to Rooks you can show us how the POW take maps............I'm looking forward to the lesson.
49Dundee
49th FG XO
I find that those who waste time on the HQ just hurt the team they are on by not being in the fight. Taking HQ down has no affect on the other side.
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You rock ! Focusing on what makes ppl disconnect from the game the most, thats simply awesome, 49th has understood how to help the game gaining more customers (again) ! :aok :aok :aok
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I have a little idea. I wont go to far into it but it will show that we the 49th do fight in the "light of day", "out in the open", "like men", or what ever term you wanna throw out. I dont post a whole bunch on here or fly as much as Id like to but Ill give yall some insite and you will see that the 49th doesnt just sneak around and drop HQs all day.
For those of you who fly with us you may catch some flak by these whiners because they will see that we are liked and people do come around and support many of our sorties
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I have a little idea. I wont go to far into it but it will show that we the 49th do fight in the "light of day", "out in the open", "like men", or what ever term you wanna throw out. I dont post a whole bunch on here or fly as much as Id like to but Ill give yall some insite and you will see that the 49th doesnt just sneak around and drop HQs all day.
For those of you who fly with us you may catch some flak by these whiners because they will see that we are liked and people do come around and support many of our sorties
:rofl
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I have a little idea. I wont go to far into it but it will show that we the 49th do fight in the "light of day", "out in the open", "like men", or what ever term you wanna throw out. I dont post a whole bunch on here or fly as much as Id like to but Ill give yall some insite and you will see that the 49th doesnt just sneak around and drop HQs all day.
For those of you who fly with us you may catch some flak by these whiners because they will see that we are liked and people do come around and support many of our sorties
nobody likea burning hq :bolt:
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wizz you know I dont go on HQ raids unless it involved big fat juicy bombers i can use as bait. Fighters come first Ive always been that way.