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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mutha on December 05, 2016, 12:23:02 PM
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A simple poll r.e. the ENY discussion below:
Who logs when ENY prevents them from flying their favorite plane? And who does not log but happily picks another plane?
I know this is opening oneself up to being flamed, but I'd like to really understand if ENY is discouraging players from flying while keeping the game fair for everyone.
And for the record, I log when I can't ride my P-51D. It's just such a good turnfighter!
If I'm the only one logging, I'll fly a storch for an entire campaign for all to vulch.
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Mutha
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And to top it off I'm too stupid to know how to delete my own posts! This game is hard!
Mutha
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Nope, find another ride.
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If I can fly my 38.....you will find me in a KI61 (35eny) If the ENY wont let me get into a KI61 that means that there wouldn't be anyone on the other side playing to shoot at....and if there was, I would have 100 friendlys shooting over my shoulder. Poor sap on the other side would feel like: http://www.ushistory.org/us/40b.asp
Honestly, I usually fly low number side anyway. Just winds up that when I play...Knits are usually low numbers.
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I typically choose a new plane. If the eny is over 25, it's very difficult to jabo and destroy bases though. It's also difficult if you are fighting a side that has an equal or more players at the fight you are at, while they have La7s and 190Ds, and you have to fly F4U1s or something like that. Sure you can be successful and land kills, but the level of challenge is much higher.
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I logoff. When the reverse is the case often my opponents logoff.
Neither situation is any fun.
I want targets. ENY negatively impacts this.
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As soon as they add planes higher than 40 ENY, I will switch to one of those if called for.
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What's ENY??? I never seem to have an issue with it...never not been able to up my ride :t
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The goal of ENY is to get players to switch sides, but it sounds like most players simply fly higher ENY planes for the same side.
Therefore, ENY does not accomplish its main goal, which is to balance the numbers.
It does accomplish the secondary objective, which is to handicap the dominant country with fewer perky planes. But does that matter if one country outnumbers the others?
-Mutha
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It balances the numbers through logoffs...
The sideswitch rule works in opposition to ENY.
I tend to go watch my lawn...
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i do not mind switching planes. The only grief eny has for me is base defense and the wirbel is eny out. M16 still works though.
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As soon as they add planes higher than 40 ENY, I will switch to one of those if called for.
The Wright Flyer with a Slingshot :D :aok
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Change planes. If you log, you're a loser.
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ENY doesn't affect me one bit. I can fly all kinds of planes badly. :banana:
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Change planes. If you log, you're a loser.
I've already been called a deplorable. Loser is a promotion.
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I login to kill red guys. It does not matter to me what I kill them with.
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I like the ENY just the way it is set up now.
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The goal of ENY is to get players to switch sides, but it sounds like most players simply fly higher ENY planes for the same side.
Therefore, ENY does not accomplish its main goal, which is to balance the numbers.
It does accomplish the secondary objective, which is to handicap the dominant country with fewer perky planes. But does that matter if one country outnumbers the others?
-Mutha
The way it is now, you could only possibly switch 4 times in 24 hours. I think 3 hour switch times, so 8 switches per day, would make this more viable. There are many reason why people don't switch. Hell the hoard could be on the other team while the side with eny cap isn't doing anything strategic, therefore, there would be no point in switching.
I don't really care about eny, I'd rather see more planes get perked to begin with.
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That is BS and why people log off or quit.
Change planes. If you log, you're a loser.
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The goal of ENY is to get players to switch sides, but it sounds like most players simply fly higher ENY planes for the same side.
Therefore, ENY does not accomplish its main goal, which is to balance the numbers.
It does accomplish the secondary objective, which is to handicap the dominant country with fewer perky planes. But does that matter if one country outnumbers the others?
-Mutha
It also handicaps the country with the large numbers forcing them to either log, or fly higher ENY planes. I think it works fine as it is, but I fly US prime time or weekends so I don't see big swings in ENY.
Should my team get an ENY restriction I just fly a different ride. The only people who are bothered by ENY are those that cant fly something other than their favorite ride.
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I been playing so long that good aircraft becomes too easy. Very few times does eny prevent what I would fly. I do understand players that only want to fly ponies and the effect of non peak hours. No way would eny prevent me from playing.If this game does not grow in player numbers the community could form a draft that rotates. Squads would be picked for sides and fly the country for a 3 month season. It would require some work to do that but most squads might be ok doing that, if it would balance out eny and promote all 3 countries having a chance at winning a map.
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Although ENY can be annoying at times I never log off just because of it. I think it functions pretty well as it is. My two cents. :grin:
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The only people who are bothered by ENY are those that cant fly something other than their favorite ride.
I am growing tired of this non-argument. When players logoff for whatever reason it hurts the game. When my opponents logout over ENY it hurts my ability to find a fight.
When I logoff because every time I am on we are being pummeled with ENY that hurts the game. If we had an RPS I would be ecstatic. But since we don't, when my ride isn't available 75 percent of the time I am simply not interested. That hurts the game, too, for those wanting people to shoot at...
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when my ride isn't available 75 percent of the time I am simply not interested.
With all the lovely aircraft available in this game, one wonders...why would someone refuse to fly anything but one plane...?
- oldman (and shut up, Ack-Ack, I've seen you flying other planes!)
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I love my pony, if eny is high then it's ponyb. but if it's dark I dont give a crap about eny, I logoff.
semp
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I am growing tired of this non-argument. When players logoff for whatever reason it hurts the game. When my opponents logout over ENY it hurts my ability to find a fight.
When I logoff because every time I am on we are being pummeled with ENY that hurts the game. If we had an RPS I would be ecstatic. But since we don't, when my ride isn't available 75 percent of the time I am simply not interested. That hurts the game, too, for those wanting people to shoot at...
Its not a "non-argument" as you put it, you log off and so are hurting the numbers. Easy fix, fly something else, and we have one more player looking for a fight.
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With all the lovely aircraft available in this game, one wonders...why would someone refuse to fly anything but one plane...?
- oldman (and shut up, Ack-Ack, I've seen you flying other planes!)
As I said, give me a rolling plane set and I am all over it. Otherwise I want to fly the ride I am trying to master. Not much else interests me, particularly shelling out my $15 month in and month out only to be ENYed to death.
I will do something else with my time until this gets fixed.
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As I said, give me a rolling plane set and I am all over it. Otherwise I want to fly the ride I am trying to master. Not much else interests me, particularly shelling out my $15 month in and month out only to be ENYed to death.
I will do something else with my time until this gets fixed.
ENY isn't going to change. it is here to stay. Either get use to it and fly something else, log off and pout in the corner, or take your money and go.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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I logoff. When the reverse is the case often my opponents logoff.
Neither situation is any fun.
I want targets. ENY negatively impacts this.
You have a vote for yourself. You can't read minds.
I keep flying whatever I can fly. If there are better fights elsewhere I may switch to the low number team.
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there 2 threads on this page about ENY one of them is sure to get locked
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I login to kill red guys. It does not matter to me what I kill them with.
:aok
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you ENY whiners need to grow some huevos and fly the mid war and early war planes-there are some perks to flying them-more challenge, when you kill lower eny planes more perk points, and achivements, I know I know many of you don't care for them or try to get them, but you could try that's what they are there for, I know they mean nothing but still, could be a goal to strive for.
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With all the lovely aircraft available in this game, one wonders...why would someone refuse to fly anything but one plane...?
- oldman (and shut up, Ack-Ack, I've seen you flying other planes!)
Only other plane than the P-38 is the B-25H, both planes rarely blocked from ENY.
To the OP...well, quite frankly, ENY is a non-issue with me and not as detrimental to the game as some make it out to be.
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Mossie was never locked.
That said, if it had been there are other low ENY things I was comfortable flying. Locking yourself into an ENY 5 fighter seems willfully self limiting as it is known that those suffer frequent ENY locks. If you're going to master a single plane, at least pick something ENY 20ish.
As to the plane actually being discussed here, the P-51D, I've never understood why the P-51B is not an acceptable substitute. It is extremely similar to the P-51D. Closer than any two A6Ms, Bf109s, Fw190s, Spitfires or Yaks are to each other.
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Its not a "non-argument" as you put it, you log off and so are hurting the numbers. Easy fix, fly something else, and we have one more player looking for a fight.
No. I am not interested in that.
If my ride was available more often (like it used to be) then switching to other rides wasn't an issue. But when it is ENYed more often than not, no thanks. It is highly annoying to land, tower, and re-up only to get the unavailable message every other sortie, too. ENY during low numbers is like watching a racquetball fly around.
I can die just fine in the P-51D. I don't need to fly a P-38G to be cannon fodder.
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Don't let the door......
Good response. That will definitely help improve things. :cheers:
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You have a vote for yourself. You can't read minds.
I keep flying whatever I can fly. If there are better fights elsewhere I may switch to the low number team.
I don't have to read minds. We have 200 for that.
People leave all the time when ENY hits and it ruins fights even when ENY is favorable to me. Seen it more than once.
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Mossie was never locked.
That said, if it had been there are other low ENY things I was comfortable flying. Locking yourself into an ENY 5 fighter seems willfully self limiting as it is known that those suffer frequent ENY locks. If you're going to master a single plane, at least pick something ENY 20ish.
As to the plane actually being discussed here, the P-51D, I've never understood why the P-51B is not an acceptable substitute. It is extremely similar to the P-51D. Closer than any two A6Ms, Bf109s, Fw190s, Spitfires or Yaks are to each other.
Often the B isn't available either.
I've posted screenshots of ridiculous ENY values.
When ENY regularly exceeds the number of players on your team that's a problem.
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See Rules #4, #6
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See Rules #4, #6
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ENY must stay one way or another, fighting 1:2 or worse does not make anyone happy.
Changing ENY for some planes would make sense though.
The 3 gun LA-7 comes into my mind be the first one to get lower ENY.
The 2-gun LA-7 with 50% less firepower at the same weight shold stay at 5.
I guess everyone have a list what ENY planes should have.
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I can't remember ever logging due to ENY.
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I don't have to read minds. We have 200 for that.
People leave all the time when ENY hits and it ruins fights even when ENY is favorable to me. Seen it more than once.
Most are back on channel 1 now. :aok
You logged off and have no idea what is going on in the game after that.
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Most are back on channel 1 now. :aok
You logged off and have no idea what is going on in the game after that.
A literalist I see...
No, I am not on atm. (Got frustrated and haven't bothered to up in weeks.) But some of my friends still are. Not missing much in my normal time window I am told.
When the skin updater is fixed I will try again and report back to you. I predict ENY spiking remains unchanged during low-number time periods.
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Often the B isn't available either.
I've posted screenshots of ridiculous ENY values.
When ENY regularly exceeds the number of players on your team that's a problem.
Yes, sometimes the B will be locked too, but not nearly as often as the D.
I guess locked oneself to a single airframe like that is just a different preference from where I am, but I do remember how it was before ENY and it was an even bigger problem. I don't know that there is a solution that works to solve both problems.
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So many of these complaints could be eliminated with zone ENY in conjunction with arena ENY.
If your team outnumbers the rest, fly against the biggest horde and you can fly your ENY aircraft. If you are on the lower number team and are steamrolling undefended bases without opposition, you have to fly the poorer performing aircraft.
It is a simple fix that would eliminate at least some of the whining.
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Yes, sometimes the B will be locked too, but not nearly as often as the D.
I guess locked oneself to a single airframe like that is just a different preference from where I am, but I do remember how it was before ENY and it was an even bigger problem. I don't know that there is a solution that works to solve both problems.
I hear ya.
I find the D a challenge. I am trying to learn how to fight in it. When it gets locked out I get annoyed.
I don't mind the concept of ENY overall. What stinks is when you have 30 players online and ENY is 25. It's maddening and could be tweaked.
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So many of these complaints could be eliminated with zone ENY in conjunction with arena ENY.
If your team outnumbers the rest, fly against the biggest horde and you can fly your ENY aircraft. If you are on the lower number team and are steamrolling undefended bases without opposition, you have to fly the poorer performing aircraft.
It is a simple fix that would eliminate at least some of the whining.
I think zone-based ENY is a nice concept.
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As to the plane actually being discussed here, the P-51D, I've never understood why the P-51B is not an acceptable substitute. It is extremely similar to the P-51D. Closer than any two A6Ms, Bf109s, Fw190s, Spitfires or Yaks are to each other.
Not enough guns, not enough ords. If I'm flying a P-51 it's usually because I want a good ord package plus the ability to fight well after dropping it. And my gunnery just isn't good enough for 4 .50s, they're especially terrible to try and kill any bomber with, you pretty much have to park on their butt and spray them forever. Six .50s is already kinda marginal. OTOH a Spit VIII doesn't really carry enough ords to be very useful as a jabo so flying a Spit IX instead isn't much of a loss even though the difference in engine power is a bit more than that between the two P-51s. The same goes for the various F4Us, the loss of 2,000 lbs. or so of ords is more significant than the performance differences so ENY takes the F4U completely off the table for some mission profiles even when you still have some F4U models available.
I don't log because ENY kicks in but I will log when it gets to a certain point, depending on the situation. As has been pointed out once it gets past about 20 jabo choices become extremely limited and CV choices become atrocious. If it gets to the point where I'm forced to fly an A6M2 because that's all ENY will let me fly, forget it, I'm logging. I sometimes fly a 190A5 for the fun of it, and it works out okay in a furball where your SA and decision making is as important as your plane, but in a 1v1 against something that can build E literally twice as fast as you can it's hopeless, you'll never get a shot in unless the other player is completely incompetent (or more than usually chivalrous). And as many have mentioned ENY rarely reflects the actual numbers in the fight you're in. Which country is more heavily engaged on which front is more important, and ENY does nothing to reflect that. One country can be outnumbered substantially and have a high ENY because both other countries are ganging up on the one that can only fly early war planes. And as I said in the other ENY topic it gets really awful at night when a lot of people are logged on but not actually playing; in that situation it's easy to be outnumbered 2-1 and have a 25 ENY because you have tons of people who are AFK all night.
Side switching is not a useful option late at night. The numbers swing again and you're stuck on the side you've switched to. When you get down to 50 players or less in the arena ENY just doesn't work.
The idea of spending perk points to fly planes that would otherwise be unavailable due to ENY is interesting, but it suffers from the same two flaws as the existing perk system does: one, it would encourage timidity because people want to keep the perks (this could and should be fixed by using up the perk points regardless of whether you die, ditch, or land) and two, more important, it means the uber rides would be out of reach for newer players but easily available for long-time veterans, which is exactly the opposite of how things should be. New players are the ones who really need to have the most capable and easiest to fly planes to have a chance, and skilled veterans are the ones who can consistently get kills in Mossies and Brewsters.
Don't let the door......
With numbers as bad as they are and still dropping that attitude is not helpful. Back when there were 2000+ people playing losing a few people didn't matter, but we're dangerously close to a tipping point where the number of people leaving starts to snowball since the ones who are left can't find decent fights and quit the game themselves.
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Most of the time I will stay online even with ENY but it is damned frustrating. I will try and find another ride but depends on the situation. I'm typically a bomber and fly Lanc's a lot. When those are hit with ENY I try 17's / 26's. After that I end up getting pushed into something with little payload making it worthless to bomb. Similar situation when I fly fighters. SO often I'll just do something else like GV instead, or ultimately after a period of time logoff.
The larger frustration comes from when my country has been hammered and we're down to low percentage of owned bases AND hit with ENY 20+ at the same time. It's a like pouring salt in a wound / adding insult to injury. There is little to no chance to defend...or make headway at that point.
I think overall there needs to be some ENY / limiting factors to help level the playing field. There have been some good suggestions discussed here and in the other thread already.
Cheers,
Elec1
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1 hour side switch...we wouldn't be talking about ENY as often
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1 hour side switch...we wouldn't be talking about ENY as often
I think there would still be an issue...maybe not as much. Some players / squads stick to one country only (our squad is one of those). You also wouldn't want a few players from one squad switching to another country and the remainder of the squad staying in the same country. Starts padding numbers, etc causing more problems / gripes (although they can do that now...but not nearly as much with the 6 hour switch).
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I hear ya.
I find the D a challenge. I am trying to learn how to fight in it. When it gets locked out I get annoyed.
I don't mind the concept of ENY overall. What stinks is when you have 30 players online and ENY is 25. It's maddening and could be tweaked.
Maybe there are 20 on one team.
In MW back in AHII,
I have seen where there could be 2 teams with 10 each and there be one on the third team and the eny goes bonkers. If that one moves to another team then the ENY goes away.... even though there are zero on the third team. That is a bit odd.
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Maybe there are 20 on one team.
In MW back in AHII,
I have seen where there could be 2 teams with 10 each and there be one on the third team and the eny goes bonkers. If that one moves to another team then the ENY goes away.... even though there are zero on the third team. That is a bit odd.
I posted screenshots of this and it was not twenty on one team. Nrshida also posted some. I will search later if I get time.
The swings were massive. With numbers that low it becomes chaotic. As others have said, when numbers are below a certain number it should just be turned off.
Yeah that's one scenario you mention right there. I think the morning crew would be fine with ENY being disabled below 50 or so total players.
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I think there would still be an issue...maybe not as much. Some players / squads stick to one country only (our squad is one of those). You also wouldn't want a few players from one squad switching to another country and the remainder of the squad staying in the same country. Starts padding numbers, etc causing more problems / gripes (although they can do that now...but not nearly as much with the 6 hour switch).
padding numbers is pretty obvious to see with the score system so thats not a problem....the only gripe is spying and if someone is that serious about the map and the bases(winning the war) then they got the concept all wrong...AWACS might be an issue but seems to be accepted.
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I remembered last night the trouble 1 to 3 hour switch would cause-esp the 1 hour-spieing-you take a port and cv-then you hide cv-1 player for the side that lost port could switch and tell his comrades where the cv is-can do the same thing but mostly not.
I think the 6-hour side switch is a compromise-remember it used to be 12hr's
if people used eny the way was intended prob wouldn't be a problem. country with the eny prob needs to transfer some peeps for 12 hours
oh well whatever. if people not going to switch then no need to gripe about it
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I bet the ENY whiners would howl if mandatory side balancing was put into effect. With ALL the planes at the disposal of players, there is no reasonable excuse for all this ENY whining. The only workable alternative is mandatory side balancing, and that would really put some little girl panties in a wad.
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I bet the ENY whiners would howl if mandatory side balancing was put into effect. With ALL the planes at the disposal of players, there is no reasonable excuse for all this ENY whining. The only workable alternative is mandatory side balancing, and that would really put some little girl panties in a wad.
No, actually that's not the "only" (tm) solution.
Proud to be an ENYner.
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Being a Bishop we regularly face high ENYs'. I've seen it as high as 29. So what? I like P47s so I'll just switch to the D11..........or stay in it because I use it a lot anyway.
Guess some people log because they are afraid of a challenge or are occupied by having a higher score. Either way they are limiting their experience in the game.
Gotta have the most fastest most run and guniest their is. Cupcakes!
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Gotta have the most fastest most run and guniest there is. Cupcakes!
This ^^^^^^^
They cry until they get their way...I watch nits and rooks vulch with utter abandon with their 5 eny planes constantly...its not gonna stop them from getting kills if they vulch with a 30 eny plane...this is about not wanting to fly anything but a pony, this whole thread and subsequent threads about ENY are always about the pony
IMO the pony is junk...why the hell would anyone want to fly around and not fight but pick and zoom up into the stratosphere to reset and do it again is beyond me...perfect example was last night at the Fighter/Tank Town...everytime I encountered a pony, ( I was on for over 4 hours) they did one of two things...they ran to help or ran to ack...every time....now that didn't keep me from being picked by them as I was actually fighting...not flying around at 20k picking people on the deck that were actually having fun furballing, then zooming back to the stratosphere completely out of icon range to come back again 550 mph for another pick of a plane moving 150 mph in a turn fight with 4 cons...
Now take Vraciu for example...if what I just said above is applied to him...it explains the way he flies and cries all in one post...
You can take it to the bank...
Oh and keep the ENY how it is...the tears of the crytards sustain me... :ahand
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This ^^^^^^^
They cry until they get their way...I watch nits and rooks vulch with utter abandon with their 5 eny planes constantly...its not gonna stop them from getting kills if they vulch with a 30 eny plane...this is about not wanting to fly anything but a pony, this whole thread and subsequent threads about ENY are always about the pony
IMO the pony is junk...why the hell would anyone want to fly around and not fight but pick and zoom up into the stratosphere to reset and do it again is beyond me...perfect example was last night at the Fighter/Tank Town...everytime I encountered a pony, ( I was on for over 4 hours) they did one of two things...they ran to help or ran to ack...every time....now that didn't keep me from being picked by them as I was actually fighting...not flying around at 20k picking people on the deck that were actually having fun furballing, then zooming back to the stratosphere completely out of icon range to come back again 550 mph for another pick of a plane moving 150 mph in a turn fight with 4 cons...
Now take Vraciu for example...if what I just said above is applied to him...it explains the way he flies and cries all in one post...
You can take it to the bank...
Oh and keep the ENY how it is...the tears of the crytards sustain me... :ahand
People could spend more time playing the game than whining on the forums about things that HiTech isn't going to change anyway.
Keep ENY just the way it is
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People could spend more time playing the game than whining on the forums about things that HiTech isn't going to change anyway.
Keep ENY just the way it is
:aok
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People could spend more time playing the game than whining on the forums about things that HiTech isn't going to change anyway.
Keep ENY just the way it is
Or just go to the gun range.
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The only real issue I have with eny is that if a team is a about to win a map, and a lot of people switch to be apart of the winning team, it creates an imbalance and makes eny kick in. So now you have to win the map with early war planes and ord, which makes it extremely difficult to actually take bases. If you are fighting a a side that had the majority of players defending that base, in order to stop a base win, you have to go up against La7s, 190Ds, and Spit16s with equal #s as you. So it makes it very very difficult for less experienced players to win the map.
It's sort of strange for me to see so many timid flyers in this game. You typically get less kills, have less fun, don't gain any practical experience in dog fighting, don't learn anything new, don't learn how to control the plane better. If you see someone like me flying a P51, I take it down and dirty, turn fight unsuspecting planes, and use it for more than just flying straight or running from trouble. You really can get so much more kills that way, and it will also typically give you a better K/D and score. The whole timid flying phenomenon is strange because it doesn't work if you don't really know what you are doing. I wish these fast runner type planes would just get perked so people choose planes that are better suited for combat, rather than the dive, pick, and run, type gameplay.
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The only real issue I have with eny is that if a team is a about to win a map, and a lot of people switch to be apart of the winning team, it creates an imbalance and makes eny kick in.
I have never seen that shown in any numbers that really make a diference. Anyone here for some time knows that it doesn't work that way anyway.
What i did see is the team with massive numbers (and thus ENY) winning the map because of it. First they have the numbers, and then they roll the map. And, of course, players on the losing end of the map simply logging off (" we suck!") in disgust, which again pushes the ENY up for the winning team.
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This ^^^^^^^
They cry until they get their way...I watch nits and rooks vulch with utter abandon with their 5 eny planes constantly...its not gonna stop them from getting kills if they vulch with a 30 eny plane...this is about not wanting to fly anything but a pony, this whole thread and subsequent threads about ENY are always about the pony
IMO the pony is junk...why the hell would anyone want to fly around and not fight but pick and zoom up into the stratosphere to reset and do it again is beyond me...perfect example was last night at the Fighter/Tank Town...everytime I encountered a pony, ( I was on for over 4 hours) they did one of two things...they ran to help or ran to ack...every time....now that didn't keep me from being picked by them as I was actually fighting...not flying around at 20k picking people on the deck that were actually having fun furballing, then zooming back to the stratosphere completely out of icon range to come back again 550 mph for another pick of a plane moving 150 mph in a turn fight with 4 cons...
Now take Vraciu for example...if what I just said above is applied to him...it explains the way he flies and cries all in one post...
You can take it to the bank...
Oh and keep the ENY how it is...the tears of the crytards sustain me... :ahand
:rolleyes: says the guy in a squad of Easy mode flyers...can't give pony pilots crap when your in nothing but higher speed, high acceleration, fast climbing monster rides....aka Yak3 and LA7s...
ENY was fine before side switch time....bring back 1 hour rule.
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:rolleyes: says the guy in a squad of Easy mode flyers...can't give pony pilots crap when your in nothing but higher speed, high acceleration, fast climbing monster rides....aka Yak3 and LA7s...
ENY was fine before side switch time....bring back 1 hour rule.
I keep finding myself in agreement with you... :headscratch:
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From a base taking stand point, during prime time, ENY restrictions on the country with the largest number of players has very little effect with the exception of cutting off perked planes and GVs. The number of players has the strongest influence in a map war when the player imbalance is large enough to have eny restrictions.
ENY does have a strong influence on base caping while the town goes untouched and maximizing kills is the most important element. It doesn't stop it. It just tones it down some.
That is why I suggest when a player imbalance occurs, you still shut down perked planes but still let planes like the P-51 fly but cut the scoring on the planes that fall in the eny restrictions. As an example an ENY restricted P-51 player still gets his plane but only gets say 2/3rds of scoring so if the player got 3 kills his score would only reflect two. Then it is the player's choice to fly a score restricted plane or not. Not saying that does not suck but it might suck less than not being able to fly your favorite plane.
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I have never seen that shown in any numbers that really make a diference. Anyone here for some time knows that it doesn't work that way anyway.
What i did see is the team with massive numbers (and thus ENY) winning the map because of it. First they have the numbers, and then they roll the map. And, of course, players on the losing end of the map simply logging off (" we suck!") in disgust, which again pushes the ENY up for the winning team.
I was on one day. Probably about 120 players on. We were 2 bases away from winning the war. Then ENY keeps getting higher and higher. Eventually we are at a 29+ eny. Our best chance was to up off the CV to capture the base. So we get about 15 - 20 people who I was desperately trying to get to capture the base. We can only use early war planes at this this point, planes that have no ord really to take down the Town. A6Ms worked alright, but it was no match. We were met with an equal # of opponents, all in EZ mode Spit16s and Niks, they just wipe out all the noobs. Couldn't keep the town down, couldn't get the ord from the planes we needed. This meant that after an hour of attacking, we still couldnt take it. A guy can only try so hard to coordinate his team and get people to participate. So, I realized then that the team with the most players, during low #s, really isn't going to be that much better if most players are inexperienced in harder planes and matched with enemies that can fly much better planes. If you have a squad that can capture bases and coordinate well, that's one thing, but restricting the planes during low #s really only gives one side good planes and the other crummy planes, which is lame when they just run away from you every time when you finally find someone to shoot at.
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I was on one day. Probably about 120 players on. We were 2 bases away from winning the war. Then ENY keeps getting higher and higher. Eventually we are at a 29+ eny. Our best chance was to up off the CV to capture the base. So we get about 15 - 20 people who I was desperately trying to get to capture the base. We can only use early war planes at this this point, planes that have no ord really to take down the Town. A6Ms worked alright, but it was no match. We were met with an equal # of opponents, all in EZ mode Spit16s and Niks, they just wipe out all the noobs. Couldn't keep the town down, couldn't get the ord from the planes we needed. This meant that after an hour of attacking, we still couldnt take it. A guy can only try so hard to coordinate his team and get people to participate. So, I realized then that the team with the most players, during low #s, really isn't going to be that much better if most players are inexperienced in harder planes and matched with enemies that can fly much better planes. If you have a squad that can capture bases and coordinate well, that's one thing, but restricting the planes during low #s really only gives one side good planes and the other crummy planes, which is lame when they just run away from you every time when you finally find someone to shoot at.
ENY wasn't the reason why you couldn't take the base.
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:rolleyes: says the guy in a squad of Easy mode flyers...can't give pony pilots crap when your in nothing but higher speed, high acceleration, fast climbing monster rides....aka Yak3 and LA7s...
ENY was fine before side switch time....bring back 1 hour rule.
Ol' junky... :rofl
Pretty sure I've got more sorties in a g14 here lately than anything else... ENY and us being bish and all...
Your always here to remind me that the guys must be doing something right... :ahand
And yes...a definite yes in flying fast cannon laden aircraft... Its the only way we can catch all the runners :aok
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I just switch planes, whats the big deal?
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Ol' junky... :rofl
Pretty sure I've got more sorties in a g14 here lately than anything else... ENY and us being bish and all...
Your always here to remind me that the guys must be doing something right... :ahand
And yes...a definite yes in flying fast cannon laden aircraft... Its the only way we can catch all the runners :aok
Yea I'll call you on your BS whenever I see it, your guys gang HO pick fly easy mode EVERYTHING ALL OF YOU complain about then you try to sit up on your pretty little horse....GTFO
Oh and you trying to trash talk me is like a 12 year old picking a fight with a grown man....you remember our G14 vs G14 run in??? Where you were flying it like the Pony pilots you HATE so much???None stop BnZ with big lazy timid High yo yos.... Then I called you out and made you go boom???? No??? Don't remember??? Should I get the film??? The actual action is only about 3 seconds long....me reversing and killing you
The FACT that you can take to the bank is you and your squad wants a fight as much as a weed wants to be sprayed by round up....yall fight from the advantage and when skill comes around...you take the HO way out aka EASY...come see me when you want a real fight, I'll be in the plane down low with 4-5 on him not HOing a single one of them.
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There needs to be some sort of balancing mechanism, and ENY as it stands now imo is as good and things can get in that regard.
I usually fly bish and we seem to have more ENY issues than the other sides, but if I can't up my Lanc or wirb I figure out some other way to help my team and have fun using that. OR I switch sides and fly my fav for a side who has fun-to-fight-alongside guys on the roster at the moment. I simply don't get it why some ppl cry like babies if they can't get the ride they want when they want on the team they currently want to fly for. Having no ENY and a 2-1 advantage on your enemies would be disastrous for the game. The more numerous side would steamroll the map and anything in front of them if they were at all organized. Who would want to defend against that?
If the ride you want's such a big deal, switch teams and fly your fav for the team who's currently outnumbered. The main whiner with the pony fetish isn't on often enough to have a 6 hour side switch inconvenience him in the slightest. So what's the whining about? I don't get it.
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^^^^ ENY at present is oftentimes a sledgehammer for a drywall nail.
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I was on one day. Probably about 120 players on. We were 2 bases away from winning the war. Then ENY keeps getting higher and higher. Eventually we are at a 29+ eny. Our best chance was to up off the CV to capture the base. So we get about 15 - 20 people who I was desperately trying to get to capture the base. We can only use early war planes at this this point, planes that have no ord really to take down the Town. A6Ms worked alright, but it was no match. We were met with an equal # of opponents, all in EZ mode Spit16s and Niks, they just wipe out all the noobs. Couldn't keep the town down, couldn't get the ord from the planes we needed. This meant that after an hour of attacking, we still couldnt take it. A guy can only try so hard to coordinate his team and get people to participate. So, I realized then that the team with the most players, during low #s, really isn't going to be that much better if most players are inexperienced in harder planes and matched with enemies that can fly much better planes. If you have a squad that can capture bases and coordinate well, that's one thing, but restricting the planes during low #s really only gives one side good planes and the other crummy planes, which is lame when they just run away from you every time when you finally find someone to shoot at.
So it worked.
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A simple poll r.e. the ENY discussion below:
Who logs when ENY prevents them from flying their favorite plane? And who does not log but happily picks another plane?
I know this is opening oneself up to being flamed, but I'd like to really understand if ENY is discouraging players from flying while keeping the game fair for everyone.
And for the record, I log when I can't ride my P-51D. It's just such a good turnfighter!
If I'm the only one logging, I'll fly a storch for an entire campaign for all to vulch.
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P51D is the most popular ride, has many people who are dedicated strictly to it and not the only one people log if they can't fly it.
1 hour rule to stop eny discussions...bring back spy discussions from the 49ers (those were some kind of special)
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I was on one day. Probably about 120 players on. We were 2 bases away from winning the war. . . .
I remember that day or maybe one just like it. The bish needed two more rook bases to win when I logged in. When I looked at the country numbers the bish had around 70 and the rooks in the thirties with knit about the same as the rooks. It was the biggest imbalance I had ever seen by far. Interesting though, the bish numbers dropped like a rock in the next half hour after failing to win the war.
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ENY wasn't the reason why you couldn't take the base.
Without the experienced players, or enough people in that area to fight, it did have a difference. Although, maybe it was the map layout too. That Pig face map was always the hardest map to win. Was usually the only map that stayed up for the entire week. I hated this map the most, that's why I wanted to win it so badly when we had the chance.
So it worked.
Yeah, it worked to keep the map up for another 3 days (sigh). The eny cap only made more players log off, mad that they literally had no real planes to be effective in, and became discouraged because we had no chance at winning being so close to victory, since the other team could defend both bases we were trying to take easily with their Wirbles and Spit16s.
I remember that day or maybe one just like it. The bish needed two more rook bases to win when I logged in. When I looked at the country numbers the bish had around 70 and the rooks in the thirties with knit about the same as the rooks. It was the biggest imbalance I had ever seen by far. Interesting though, the bish numbers dropped like a rock in the next half hour after failing to win the war.
Yeah, I think we are talking about the same instance, it was on the galexy (pig face map) as I like to call it. Its kind of hard to capture a base with planes that only carry 1 250 bomb, and have 230 cannons, where you have to make it to the town first. Then you have to kill the VH, the tanks in the town, and make sure the town doesn't repop. It was just hopeless.
I honestly don't understand why perking these planes isn't the better option. At least it will give people an option to spend more perks, and a chance to win the war, if the #s imbalance is causing one team not to be able to win the map if they only have a couple of bases left. The teams defending those last bases are usually tough to beat if you only have 29+ eny airplanes + vehicles.
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Yeah, it worked to keep the map up for another 3 days (sigh). The eny cap only made more players log off, mad that they literally had no real planes to be effective in, and became discouraged because we had no chance at winning being so close to victory, since the other team could defend both bases we were trying to take easily with their Wirbles and Spit16s.
Well if they are not capable of switching to even sides or flying other planes, then they did the only thing they knew how to.
They will forever be at the mercy of others for they do not take the time to improve their abilities.
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my first option is the F6F when i cant fly that then the P38J then the B25H if i cant fly any of them i do about 2 GV sorties and realize why i like flying and then log off.
This is an option if you are in a bigger squad you can ask for some guy to log out just long enough for you to launch then they come back we do this often we have vent to communicate though if we are running mission the ground crew will pop out until the air crew can launch. this is why zone ENY would not work because you can control that too if you get enough people willing to work with ya
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Well if they are not capable of switching to even sides or flying other planes, then they did the only thing they knew how to.
They will forever be at the mercy of others for they do not take the time to improve their abilities.
But why would they want to switch sides after being so close to winning the war? What's the point of switching sides if the other team is doing a better job of defending and hoarding those last 2 bases? The fight will be better on the current team with more #s, even though it doesn't appear like that on paper. The eny got so bad that it pretty much stopped us from winning the war because we had no planes that could carry enough ord, and not enough Nats (a6ms) to bug off the La7s and Spit16s. No tanks that were worth a damn to kill tanks in the towns. I mean think about it. Just because your side has more #s, doesn't mean the fights are going to be hoarded, unfair, or imbalanced. It does depend on the size and layout of the map though. Most of the time when I see ENY cap take into effect, I never see one team dominating the others. It's all about who you are fighting with and the collaboration of those players.
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You can get many more perks by shooting planes down. If winning the war really did mean that much they would stay to fight.
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You can get many more perks by shooting planes down. If winning the war really did mean that much they would stay to fight.
They tried to stay and fight. After about an hour and a half it was prolly close 2am at that point when most people weren't really taking anything seriously anymore. I just wanted to win the map because I hated it. Because of ENY, me nor my teamates could put up any kind of real effort. try taking down a town with a F4U1 and a6m3 after going through 4 La7s. it was a bust. It's a stupid arguement and prolly very rarely happens, but this is just something I dislike about eny capping, when I just wish the planes would get perked instead, or just be perked from the start already.
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Yea I'll call you on your BS whenever I see it, your guys gang HO pick fly easy mode EVERYTHING ALL OF YOU complain about then you try to sit up on your pretty little horse....GTFO
Oh and you trying to trash talk me is like a 12 year old picking a fight with a grown man....you remember our G14 vs G14 run in??? Where you were flying it like the Pony pilots you HATE so much???None stop BnZ with big lazy timid High yo yos.... Then I called you out and made you go boom???? No??? Don't remember??? Should I get the film??? The actual action is only about 3 seconds long....me reversing and killing you
The FACT that you can take to the bank is you and your squad wants a fight as much as a weed wants to be sprayed by round up....yall fight from the advantage and when skill comes around...you take the HO way out aka EASY...come see me when you want a real fight, I'll be in the plane down low with 4-5 on him not HOing a single one of them.
Alright lunger let's do it"!
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Alright lunger let's do it"!
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Hartmann you non factor...you aint no daisey
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Glad I brought the air raiders out of hiding on here...when you going to 1v1 someone Hartmann? Oh wait lol :rofl
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I'M A PEACOCK - YOU GOTTA LET ME FLY!!
Mutha
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P51D is the most popular ride, has many people who are dedicated strictly to it and not the only one people log if they can't fly it.
1 hour rule to stop eny discussions...bring back spy discussions from the 49ers (those were some kind of special)
Show the tape of us spying........come on words are cheap...........!
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Show the tape of us spying........come on words are cheap...........!
Not saying you were spying...saying you guys were :noid about it.
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The problem wih just perking the planes is just offset the intent of ENY.
I have squad members with 20k-40k perk points
Imagine the outnumbed guys getting hit by experienced pilots in perked or low-eny rides in 1:2 conditions, just becase its the experienced guys that sit on the high perk points
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The problem wih just perking the planes is just offset the intent of ENY.
I have squad members with 20k-40k perk points
Imagine the outnumbed guys getting hit by experienced pilots in perked or low-eny rides in 1:2 conditions, just becase its the experienced guys that sit on the high perk points
Just bring back the 1 hour rule.
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Just bring back the 1 hour rule.
This isn't ever going to happen, Hitech explains his reasoning here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361462.msg4811379.html#msg4811379). I dont know why people keep going on about it.
ENY works as intended. In Violators post, they had a large ENY hit and it made it much harder to take those last bases. This is what it was meant to do, aid the out numbered team by limiting the overwhelming forces equipment. They cant force people to switch sides to keep the numbers even (tho that option is available), and so fair. Having the team with the larger force have to use inferior equipment helps "even" the play field.
The two biggest issues with ENY is one, those that refuse to fly other planes instead of their "favorite ride" which aggravates the other issue, numbers (because they log off instead of using other planes). That is why you see such big swings in ENY during the low numbers times. If the numbers never dropped below 150 players on line there would be very few complaints about ENY.
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This isn't ever going to happen, Hitech explains his reasoning here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361462.msg4811379.html#msg4811379). I dont know why people keep going on about it.
ENY works as intended. In Violators post, they had a large ENY hit and it made it much harder to take those last bases. This is what it was meant to do, aid the out numbered team by limiting the overwhelming forces equipment. They cant force people to switch sides to keep the numbers even (tho that option is available), and so fair. Having the team with the larger force have to use inferior equipment helps "even" the play field.
The two biggest issues with ENY is one, those that refuse to fly other planes instead of their "favorite ride" which aggravates the other issue, numbers (because they log off instead of using other planes). That is why you see such big swings in ENY during the low numbers times. If the numbers never dropped below 150 players on line there would be very few complaints about ENY.
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This isn't ever going to happen, Hitech explains his reasoning here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361462.msg4811379.html#msg4811379). I dont know why people keep going on about it.
ENY works as intended. In Violators post, they had a large ENY hit and it made it much harder to take those last bases. This is what it was meant to do, aid the out numbered team by limiting the overwhelming forces equipment. They cant force people to switch sides to keep the numbers even (tho that option is available), and so fair. Having the team with the larger force have to use inferior equipment helps "even" the play field.
The two biggest issues with ENY is one, those that refuse to fly other planes instead of their "favorite ride" which aggravates the other issue, numbers (because they log off instead of using other planes). That is why you see such big swings in ENY during the low numbers times. If the numbers never dropped below 150 players on line there would be very few complaints about ENY.
Which does nothing for those of us playing with numbers from 10-50, where all ENY does is aggravate people.
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If you can't fly a pony just up a Brewster....that's tends to annoy people just because it's a Brewster. Lol. Fly those early and mid war planes, it may actually make you better...or more cynical...both work lol. As an avid FSO pilot I enjoy higher eny planes simply because I fly them in FSO much more often that late war monsters.
Now for a NOE raid busting n1ks and LA7s just add to the 200 whine factor.
I don't log over ENY. I normally log when the only fight you can find is an outnumbered HO fest. If it's 4 on 1 one of those four should be able to get on my six to kill me...I'm terrible anyway so it can't be challenging.
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This isn't ever going to happen, Hitech explains his reasoning here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361462.msg4811379.html#msg4811379). I dont know why people keep going on about it.
ENY works as intended. In Violators post, they had a large ENY hit and it made it much harder to take those last bases. This is what it was meant to do, aid the out numbered team by limiting the overwhelming forces equipment. They cant force people to switch sides to keep the numbers even (tho that option is available), and so fair. Having the team with the larger force have to use inferior equipment helps "even" the play field.
The two biggest issues with ENY is one, those that refuse to fly other planes instead of their "favorite ride" which aggravates the other issue, numbers (because they log off instead of using other planes). That is why you see such big swings in ENY during the low numbers times. If the numbers never dropped below 150 players on line there would be very few complaints about ENY.
We had eny last night Knights 70 bish 50 and rooks 50....like Snail said in that thread I find more people are on particular country because they are loyal to it or the squad which is loyal to it...so when G3MF and POTW both are on Knights you end up with ENY....when the 49ers, The Few and any of the other rotation squads end up on a certain country...you're going to have eny (Remember POTW switched rook a few months back because ENY was an EVERY night thing for the Knights)....Yea maybe when this happened it was the reason...but right now, looking at the numbers of different players making threads within the last year something should change...And I'm interested to see if HTC has new data.
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We had eny last night Knights 70 bish 50 and rooks 50....like Snail said in that thread I find more people are on particular country because they are loyal to it or the squad which is loyal to it...so when G3MF and POTW both are on Knights you end up with ENY....when the 49ers, The Few and any of the other rotation squads end up on a certain country...you're going to have eny (Remember POTW switched rook a few months back because ENY was an EVERY night thing for the Knights)....Yea maybe when this happened it was the reason...but right now, looking at the numbers of different players making threads within the last year something should change...And I'm interested to see if HTC has new data.
What new data are you looking for? That when the Pigs and G3MF and a rotating squad rolls in you have ENY more often?
HTC doesn't care if ENY kicks in, or stays at 20 all day for one team, because it is doing what they want it to do, limit the team with the greater numbers, making it more "fair" to fight against and so more fun.
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What new data are you looking for? That when the Pigs and G3MF and a rotating squad rolls in you have ENY more often?
HTC doesn't care if ENY kicks in, or stays at 20 all day for one team, because it is doing what they want it to do, limit the team with the greater numbers, making it more "fair" to fight against and so more fun.
If that's their reason...then why not let people change to the other side quicker??? To even out the fight...
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If that's their reason...then why not let people change to the other side quicker??? To even out the fight...
Did you read what Hitech wrote in the link I posted? The shorter time creates quicker and more fluctuations in ENY. In the long run the longer time create smaller and less fluctuations.
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Did you read what Hitech wrote in the link I posted? The shorter time creates quicker and more fluctuations in ENY. In the long run the longer time create smaller and less fluctuations.
And like I said I wonder if that same data still holds true today
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And like I said I wonder if that same data still holds true today
It doesn't. Just like the time my boss rejected a proposal I had to save fuel. "We have studied this and it didn't make a difference."
Let's see.... 100-200 gallons at $3.25 /gallon vs. $8-$11/gallon? Yeah, methinks your math doesn't mean now what it meant then.
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we came to knight because bish had ENY all the time knights do aswell now and rook would be the same so more and more of us are playing other games. we tried changing countries what we ended up with was a squadie that was stuck away and could not fly so he had to open another account to fly for the night then deal with it on a monday of losing the other account so changing countries does no good when you go squadies locked on the other team for 6 hours. or you change and the ENY follows. some can say its whining or what ever or up another plane that is 30 or higher eny No thank you im not gonna set in a 30 ENY plane and be picked apart by a 5 eny plane mindlessly ill log and goto another game. we have not had more then 10 on at a time in the MA in some time now so its not like we are a mass squad. sad part is the F6F is our squad goto plane and 9 times outa 10 we cant fly it because of ENY
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Not saying it's your fault for ENY at all, just throwing that out there Biggamer...
I logged off early tonight because a lack of a balanced fight and I didn't want to risk being stuck on bish or rook for 6 hours...
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When I choose a ride, I like to work it awhile, ya know try it for size. When its a ride that is affected by ENY, yeah I get pissy if I am forced to change. But I am a little OCD about things so I just want what I want.
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i know you did not mean that junky and i feel your frustration.
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Not saying it's your fault for ENY at all, just throwing that out there Biggamer...
I logged off early tonight because a lack of a balanced fight and I didn't want to risk being stuck on bish or rook for 6 hours...
Makes no sense at all. So how many hours did you log off?
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It doesn't. Just like the time my boss rejected a proposal I had to save fuel. "We have studied this and it didn't make a difference."
Let's see.... 100-200 gallons at $3.25 /gallon vs. $8-$11/gallon? Yeah, methinks your math doesn't mean now what it meant then.
imagine if gas was at 1000 a gallon. your proposal would have been accepted. heck at 10,000 a gallon you would have gotten a nice bonus.
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imagine if gas was at 1000 a gallon. your proposal would have been accepted. heck at 10,000 a gallon you would have gotten a nice bonus.
semp
That was the amount PER LEG for a fleet of a dozen jets. Guess I accidentally deleted that part. The savings was in the millions. The department eventually got decimated for being too expensive. Go figure.
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Makes no sense at all. So how many hours did you log off?
Think I logged about 8 but the swing could have came 30 minutes...an hour...2 hours ect ect ect from there so I wasn't going to change for 6 hours and be stuck loke I said...does make sense.
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Think I logged about 8 but the swing could have came 30 minutes...an hour...2 hours ect ect ect from there so I wasn't going to change for 6 hours and be stuck loke I said...does make sense.
If you changed sides and found fights.... You win. If you changed sides and then found no fights.... At least you tried. When you log back on you can change back if you wanted to.
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If you changed sides and found fights.... You win. If you changed sides and then found no fights.... At least you tried. When you log back on you can change back if you wanted to.
Id rather come back in on Knights because that's where the squad is, if they're isn't anyone on or if nobody really doing anything helps with my decision to change country.
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Id rather come back in on Knights because that's where the squad is, if they're isn't anyone on or if nobody really doing anything helps with my decision to change country.
You can't change then. You make it hard on yourself.
There is no decision to make since you want to come back on as knight.
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You can't change then. You make it hard on yourself.
There is no decision to make since you want to come back on as knight.
Having problems with determining what your argument is...
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Having problems with determining what your argument is...
No argument. Just clarifying the facts from your post.
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No argument. Just clarifying the facts from your post.
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I up a storch.... whatchout for my dye packs!!!
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I just change planes, there are many 35 ENY planes that a great.
If I want to patrol for bombers or do a fighter sweep: P47-D11
If I want to interdict tanks that might have figher cover: Yak9T
If I really need 2x 1000lb bombs: P38G
If I need alt quickly: 109G2
I'd be willing to switch sides but I'm not aware of how it works with being in a squad. I'd hate for none of my squad to be on and as soon as I switch sides they all log on and I cant get back.
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So the net of this poll is that many of us are passionate about ENY's benefits and limitations, but there is no consensus. Which means it'll probably stay as-is.
Mutha
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So the net of this poll is that many of us are passionate about ENY's benefits and limitations, but there is no consensus. Which means it'll probably stay as-is.
Mutha
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It could have been unanimous against it and nothing would change. Not hatin'. Just keepin' it real, yo.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Redacted. Ain't worth the bother.
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I like it when you log off all the whining and crying on 200 stops
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Redacted. Ain't worth the bother.
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I up a storch.... whatchout for my dye packs!!!
Tumor and I took a pair of Storches up to their max altitude one day over tank town and started dropping smoke markers. Some Jugs tried to intercept us but couldn't hang in the spiraling turns we made back down to the deck. Fun(ny) stuff.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Outstanding contribution to the discussion. :aok
I actually find it quite funny. I was watching a few recordings the other day and noticed the chat on 200. It was just you baffling and complaining about the game and how HT doesn't know what he is doing.
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I actually find it quite funny. I was watching a few recordings the other day and noticed the chat on 200. It was just you baffling and complaining about the game and how HT doesn't know what he is doing.
Sadly, I still have to live with the troll through quotes.
Regarding the OP, yesterday I had to deal with 24 ENY. It did stink, but the B pony is a pretty good kite. Held my own against the tempys and jets.
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A simple poll r.e. the ENY discussion below:
Who logs when ENY prevents them from flying their favorite plane? And who does not log but happily picks another plane?
So long as my stick isnt spiking and there are enough people in the air to kill. l'll earn my pay one way or the other.
I've seen success flying a 109F as well as a D9. You can get kills with nearly any plane in the game if you bother to take the time to learn how to fly them.
The larger problem is simply seeing enough people in the air to bother upping. This is the major logoff factor for me. I logged in the otehr night and saw there was 150 in the Ma. Yet when I got there I only saw maybe 10 people airborn from all sides combined. So. I logged off