Post by: FESS67 on January 01, 2018, 06:57:10 AM
Bombers ripping fighters out of the sky is just stupid.
Post by: Bruv119 on January 01, 2018, 07:14:51 AM
Post by: Vraciu on January 01, 2018, 08:22:09 AM
Least it wasn't a GV! :aok
True that.
Post by: redcatcherb412 on January 01, 2018, 09:14:53 AM
I know it was a well used tactic in WW2. So well used that they used to coordinate groups of bombers to ward of the enemy attacks!!! NO WAIT, that was fighters.You mean they didn't use Lancaster formations to drop 30k of iron on a single tank ? Preposterous ! :bolt:
Bombers ripping fighters out of the sky is just stupid.
Post by: wil3ur on January 01, 2018, 11:55:01 AM
Post by: The Fugitive on January 01, 2018, 11:57:39 AM
I love when people up buffs for defense. 3x the kills! :devil
Sure 3X the kills, but not much of a fight.
Post by: Devil 505 on January 01, 2018, 12:18:49 PM
Least it wasn't a GV! :aok
Damn right. :rock
:salute For the brave bomber defender.
Post by: JTs on January 02, 2018, 12:42:29 AM
Post by: save on January 02, 2018, 02:54:45 AM
And you see those stu... er.. brave Wirbys just after you are half-winged...
Post by: Ciaphas on January 02, 2018, 07:10:43 AM
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Post by: ImADot on January 02, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
This is not a recreation of WW2. It's a game that happens to use WW2 stuff, where players can do whatever they want with them.
Post by: Puma44 on January 02, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
And enemy tanks didn't camp behind the hangars and blow up anything that moved.
This is not a recreation of WW2. It's a game that happens to use WW2 stuff, where players can do whatever they want with them.
Zactly!
Post by: Vraciu on January 02, 2018, 10:23:23 AM
Have you come up against 999000 in his 17s?
Yes. When I have altitude and some speed I can get him. Any other time it's a plane full of holes for me at least.
Post by: mbailey on January 02, 2018, 12:27:42 PM
And enemy tanks didn't camp behind the hangars and blow up anything that moved.
This is not a recreation of WW2. It's a game that happens to use WW2 stuff, where players can do whatever they want with them.
Yep, this :aok
Post by: 999000 on January 02, 2018, 01:27:45 PM
Post by: Vraciu on January 02, 2018, 03:40:21 PM
Sorry, I promise it will never happen again...........<S>
:rofl
:salute
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 02, 2018, 03:50:34 PM
I know it was a well used tactic in WW2. So well used that they used to coordinate groups of bombers to ward of the enemy attacks!!! NO WAIT, that was fighters.
Bombers ripping fighters out of the sky is just stupid.
Reading Fess' post reminded me of all the whines about bomber asks in Warbirds.
This is an open sandbox game, players will find new and interesting ways to use the tools given to them.
Post by: Becinhu on January 02, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
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Post by: Vraciu on January 02, 2018, 04:53:37 PM
Post by: FESS67 on January 03, 2018, 12:53:18 AM
This game is moving further away from what I enjoy and I really hope it somehow gets turned around before I no longer enjoy it enough to subscribe.
Post by: Crash Orange on January 03, 2018, 01:03:40 AM
Sorry, I promise it will never happen again...........<S>
And that Mayhem fellow's not going to cause any more trouble either! I believe you!
Post by: atlau on January 03, 2018, 05:46:10 AM
Post by: ImADot on January 03, 2018, 06:32:20 AM
I guess the sentiment behind the post was that upping a bomber as the first option over a fighter is not really how the dynamics should work. They should be used primarily for offensive actions with fighter planes being the primary form of defence.
This game is moving further away from what I enjoy and I really hope it somehow gets turned around before I no longer enjoy it enough to subscribe.
I guess it's time to ask HTC to change it so if any enemy is close enough to flash a base, all bombers are disabled just like if the bomber hangars are down.
Times change, players come and go, the ways people find to entertain themselves change...
Post by: Vraciu on January 03, 2018, 06:37:11 AM
Killing Buffs is my favorite thing. My fangs always come out when I see them.
When I first started in here I thought bombers were the most impossible thing to kill. Now I can’t find enough of them to satiate my appetite.
I’ve got some good rivalries going against several excellent Buff drivers out there. I realize ACM is your thing but whacking a few bombers now and then is good for the system.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 03, 2018, 10:18:17 AM
Post by: wil3ur on January 03, 2018, 10:59:59 AM
I personally use the A20 if a base is capped and the FH's are down. It's a fairly nimble plane with no ord and 25% fuel and packs a mean punch up front. I've also been known to dogfight in B25s and B26s when forced into a situation. I personally don't see anything wrong with this, it's a game.
Now, if this was done in a scenario where people are basically role playing WWII using this game as an engine to accomplish it, I'd say that's against the spirit of the scenario. MA, anything goes until you complain loud enough (See IL2 F3 mode).
Post by: bustr on January 03, 2018, 11:14:31 AM
So what do you want Hitech to do to his customers who are having fun playing the game this way?
I flew with SHawk this weekend and he was in his B17's. At one time 10 years ago for as long a I could remember back then, he stayed ranked number 1 in everything and was one of the hottest fighter pilots in this game. Then one day he started trolling for fighters in his B17s and never looked back from what I could tell. POTW has a member who fly's B26s and kills fighters, he can't fly anything else worth spit and can barely keep a fighter in the air let alone shoot anything with it. So he defends feilds with B26's because that is the best he can do.
You keep telling everyone since I can remember how displeased you are with how everyone else doesn't present themselves to you in the Melee arena like it's an only fighter combat game. In the past when there were 400 players a night, 20% of those played your way and made it look like the sky was full of your spiritual clones. Today with 150 a night, 20% still play your way. Now you have to go find them. Not everyone wants to play fighter pilot like you do and they pay their $14.95 just like you do.
Post by: Vraciu on January 03, 2018, 12:11:53 PM
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 03, 2018, 12:44:56 PM
I wasn't around for AW, but I seem to recall many people speak of the "Death Star" where they'd get 8 gunners on board a single B17 and wreck shop because a pilot could fly/maneuver and if you had decent gunners, you were nearly invincible. As I also recall, it was the reason for going to only 1 gunner able to join buffs in AH. I'm just saying it's nothing new.
I personally use the A20 if a base is capped and the FH's are down. It's a fairly nimble plane with no ord and 25% fuel and packs a mean punch up front. I've also been known to dogfight in B25s and B26s when forced into a situation. I personally don't see anything wrong with this, it's a game.
Now, if this was done in a scenario where people are basically role playing WWII using this game as an engine to accomplish it, I'd say that's against the spirit of the scenario. MA, anything goes until you complain loud enough (See IL2 F3 mode).
You're right, it is nothing new. As you mentioned, we had Deathstars in AW. B-17s in that game were as agile and maneuverable than a Zeke and widely used for defense. We had the same thing as well in Warbirds. In WB, players would up a B-17 and turn on Otto and use their bomber as ack. In the early days of AH, players would use bombers the same way that was done in WB. Players would park their bombers on the runway and use the plane as ack, which is why bombers no longer can fire the guns while on the ground.
Post by: Vraciu on January 03, 2018, 12:51:26 PM
You're right, it is nothing new. As you mentioned, we had Deathstars in AW. B-17s in that game were as agile and maneuverable than a Zeke and widely used for defense. We had the same thing as well in Warbirds. In WB, players would up a B-17 and turn on Otto and use their bomber as ack. In the early days of AH, players would use bombers the same way that was done in WB. Players would park their bombers on the runway and use the plane as ack, which is why bombers no longer can fire the guns while on the ground.
Well, Bruno P. Gaido would be disappointed to hear that.
http://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/2017/04/24/toughness-aviation-machinist-mate-first-class-amm1c-bruno-peter-gaido/
On 1 February 1942, five Japanese twin-engine bombers made it through the USS Enterprise (CV-6) combat air patrol (fighters) defenses following the U.S. carrier raid on the Japanese-held Marshall Islands. All the bombers missed and turned away, except the badly damaged lead plane, piloted by Lieutenant Kazuo Nakai, which turned back in an attempt to crash on the Enterprise.
As the aircraft neared the ship and anti-aircraft fire seemed ineffective, Aviation Machinist Mate Third Class (AMM3/C) Bruno Gaido leaped out of the catwalk, climbed into the back seat of a parked SBD Dauntless dive bomber (his normal position as radioman-gunner when the plane was airborne), and swiveled the plane’s aft twin .30 caliber machine guns and opened fire, standing while pouring accurate fire down into the low-flying bomber’s cockpit, causing it to lose control.
The bomber barely missed the flight deck, its wingtip cutting the tail off the SBD Gaido was in and spinning the parked aircraft. Gaido continued firing on the bomber throughout, until it crashed in the water on the opposite side of the ship. Gaido then calmly grabbed the fire bottle from the SBD and extinguished a pool of flaming gasoline on the flight deck left over from the crashed bomber.
Thereafter, he disappeared into the ship, worried that he would get in trouble for leaving his watch station. Vice Admiral William F. Halsey, the task group commander, ordered that the unidentified gunner be found. A search party eventually located Gaido and brought him to the bridge, whereupon Halsey spot-promoted him to First Class, as everyone who observed the event credited Gaido with keeping the Enterprise from being hit in the extremely close call.
Post by: 100Coogn on January 03, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
I believe the convergence on those are D-500. Many planes have no problems shooting well before that.
Coogan
Post by: Wiley on January 03, 2018, 01:32:50 PM
I would think that a set of B-17's sitting on the runway (firing their guns) would be an easy target.
I believe the convergence on those are D-500. Many planes have no problems shooting well before that.
Coogan
Even easier considering you can't fire in a bomber until liftoff.
Wiley.
Post by: Electroman on January 03, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
Even easier considering you can't fire in a bomber until liftoff.
Wiley.
Yes - because we all know that disabled guns on the tarmac or until in flight was key to many bomber kills in WWII.
Post by: Mongoose on January 04, 2018, 07:13:50 AM
Bombers ripping fighters out of the sky is just stupid.
Not really. That's what the guns were there for.
But you're right. Using bombers to fight off fighters is pretty silly. It would be like putting a tank or artillery gun on a bomber. (B-25H)
Or putting a bunch of machines guns in the nose of the bomber so it could strafe ground targets. (B-25, A-20)
Or throwing wine bottles filled with gasoline at a tank. (molotov cocktails)
Or capturing a submarine and towing it back to base behind an aircraft carrier. (USS Guadalcanal and U-505)
:aok :aok :aok
Post by: bozon on January 04, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
Not really. That's what the guns were there for.Well, you've only been here since 2010 so you are still a new player and don't remember the days of the mobile B17 ack batteries or the B17 car bombs, which are the reasons that guns are disabled on the ground and bombs take 1000 yards flight to arm.
But you're right. Using bombers to fight off fighters is pretty silly. It would be like putting a tank or artillery gun on a bomber. (B-25H)
Or putting a bunch of machines guns in the nose of the bomber so it could strafe ground targets. (B-25, A-20)
Or throwing wine bottles filled with gasoline at a tank. (molotov cocktails)
Or capturing a submarine and towing it back to base behind an aircraft carrier. (USS Guadalcanal and U-505)
:aok :aok :aok
Bombers and GV take a lot of concessions to make them playable. This is why level bombers are more accurate than dive bomber, you get 2 spare bomber in tow, tanks can fire from the commander position while driving and get magically rearmed and fixed.
I accept some silly things for the purpose of the "game", just don't try to justify them historically. That is ridiculous.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 04, 2018, 08:57:47 AM
Well done, well done
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Post by: Dundee on January 04, 2018, 01:16:54 PM
I know it was a well used tactic in WW2. So well used that they used to coordinate groups of bombers to ward of the enemy attacks!!! NO WAIT, that was fighters.
Bombers ripping fighters out of the sky is just stupid.
So you want HiTech to change that because you were out gunned by a gunner in a bomber?
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 01:39:01 PM
So you want HiTech to change that because you were out gunned by a gunner in a bomber?
Where did he say this happened to him specifically?
You're projecting.
Post by: The Fugitive on January 04, 2018, 01:40:29 PM
So you want HiTech to change that because you were out gunned by a gunner in a bomber?
I think what he is saying is that the first line of defense SHOULDN'T buffs as low alt circling ack platforms.
Post by: bustr on January 04, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Ok then what does he want Hitech to do to those players who decide to up a box of bombers to fight fighters at an airfield? The MOD insta tower them and adjust their player account for that session so it can only up fighters? Or Hitech remove every ride from the game but fighters to make Fess happy while killing his game out right?
The presumption that something is wrong in the first place is "not right" since that player had 120 plus things he could have spawned out in with Hitech's blessings. The Melee arena is to do what ever you want that makes you happy. The DA is where you get a stick up your whatsis and tell other players they are scum of the AH earth and have no place in this community. Then they tell you to stick it and go back to the MA and have fun.
Post by: The Fugitive on January 04, 2018, 04:47:10 PM
Shouldn't be used.....how many times have we heard this in the last 15 years?
Ok then what does he want Hitech to do to those players who decide to up a box of bombers to fight fighters at an airfield? The MOD insta tower them and adjust their player account for that session so it can only up fighters? Or Hitech remove every ride from the game but fighters to make Fess happy while killing his game out right?
The presumption that something is wrong in the first place is "not right" since that player had 120 plus things he could have spawned out in with Hitech's blessings. The Melee arena is to do what ever you want that makes you happy. The DA is where you get a stick up your whatsis and tell other players they are scum of the AH earth and have no place in this community. Then they tell you to stick it and go back to the MA and have fun.
but if that game play drives players away is it really good for the game?
Id bet that if everyone was having fun less people would leave. Like the NOE issues we had long ago nobody is saying to get rid of the bomber option, but curb it a bit along with a few other lame game plays.
Post by: Lusche on January 04, 2018, 05:08:12 PM
I think what he is saying is that the first line of defense SHOULDN'T buffs as low alt circling ack platforms.
Then I have good news for you:
It isn't.
There is no need to change anything with the bombers.
Post by: bustr on January 04, 2018, 05:15:29 PM
You make your fun in this game and if you can't, well, you leave or come here and whine about it. Or does Hitech have the MODs force us all to "just get along" for our $14.95?? I'd like to see the rule book those MODs would be forcing us from, wouldn't you? Kind of like the Internet was not broken in 2015 when it got MOD'd real good, and now AH needs rules so we will all get along together and "be happy"?? And the answer to not everyone being happy in primary education was to take away recess and sports for the greater good.
How much are you willing to take away from all those other paying customers who don't play the game your way?
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 06:28:17 PM
I would think that a set of B-17's sitting on the runway (firing their guns) would be an easy target.
I believe the convergence on those are D-500. Many planes have no problems shooting well before that.
Coogan
Shoot, bomber gunners can hit me at 1.5K and do lethal damage.
Post by: Dundee on January 04, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
I would think that a set of B-17's sitting on the runway (firing their guns) would be an easy target.The guns don’t fire on the ground you have to be in the air
I believe the convergence on those are D-500. Many planes have no problems shooting well before that.
Coogan
Post by: The Fugitive on January 04, 2018, 07:09:18 PM
For 15 years curbing other peoples fun under the cover of "good for the game" has been a holy grail by those who know better than everyone else. Hitech seems to never agree with them aside from enforcement adjustments of his own. NOE was curbed to make people stop hiding from each other in hoards. They still hid from each other after the radar change, and now there are less of them hiding from each other and no more missions. Just not hiding in hoards from each other at least. :rolleyes:
You make your fun in this game and if you can't, well, you leave or come here and whine about it. Or does Hitech have the MODs force us all to "just get along" for our $14.95?? I'd like to see the rule book those MODs would be forcing us from, wouldn't you? Kind of like the Internet was not broken in 2015 when it got MOD'd real good, and now AH needs rules so we will all get along together and "be happy"?? And the answer to not everyone being happy in primary education was to take away recess and sports for the greater good.
How much are you willing to take away from all those other paying customers who don't play the game your way?
Your an "all or nothing" kind of guy aint cha bustr!
Nobody is saying take the buffs away, nobody is saying take the GVs away, nobody is looking to have MODs police game play, personally Im looking to see the game turned toward the action packed game we use to have.
Make missions with waypoints count for something more.... perks for joining, perks for grabbing the base as long as 1/3 of the players in the mission were above 5k <---- buffs
Missions with more than 3 buff groups staying above 5k earn double perks.
Have a new heading in the hanger with fighter, attack, add defend. When selecting a fighter it is scored under defense and perks are doubled.
Tweaks like these still allow "lame game play" but it also gives incentives to play a different way. Maybe expand a players repertoire maing the more fun for everyone.
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 07:09:38 PM
The guns don’t fire on the ground you have to be in the air
That’s wasn’t his point.
He’s saying that even if they COULD shoot on the ground they’d be an easy target in his opinion.
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 04, 2018, 07:24:44 PM
That’s wasn’t his point.
He’s saying that even if they COULD shoot on the ground they’d be an easy target in his opinion.
The bombers when used as additional field acks while sitting on the runway weren't easy targets. In addition to all the bomber guns to contend with, you also had the field acks which were far more lethal then the field acks are now. Which is why the ability to fire from the bomber gun positions was disabled while on the ground.
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
Post by: 100Coogn on January 04, 2018, 08:29:35 PM
That’s wasn’t his point.
He’s saying that even if they COULD shoot on the ground they’d be an easy target in his opinion.
Correct. I should of phrased it that way. :cheers:
Coogan
Post by: Vraciu on January 04, 2018, 08:34:15 PM
Correct. I should of phrased it that way. :cheers:
Coogan
:salute :cheers:
Post by: bustr on January 04, 2018, 08:54:50 PM
Your an "all or nothing" kind of guy aint cha bustr!
Not really, I don't have the time to waste virtue signalling and living in an illusion that you will get players to do anything other than what they want to for their $14.95. Ten years ago the players wanted to do all of those things you virtue signal about. Today the players don't want to do those things. Those who are left from ten years ago, many sit around and lament the good old days and do nothing about it when asked to lead the way or get off their kesters and lead the way to get what they want back in the arena. They just wait and grouse about the good old days hoping someone else will post missions and lead the way. Then when a few do from time to time, there are hundreds of reasons not to join but, they will show up like vultures if something does get going to pick a few kills. There is a reason I describe a portion of our player base as Lazyboy armchair players. It's not hard to see all of this while observing terrains for a year to help refine building the next terrain.
Most of the newer players are either waiting around to do what the vets do or, are playing the game like a first person shooter while greifing everyone. So the new generation is learning how to be Lazyboy safe bet players or, getting very good at playing Aces High like some first person shooter game. There is a reason for so much Hoing and running and alt monkey timidness these days. And then log time vets just doing strange things out of the blue like upping bombers for field defense and that ever popular run an M3 to kill a good base fight instead of fighting. The vets are teaching the newbies their bad habits because the newbies don't listen to what they virtue signal at them, they do what they see the vets doing. Ten years ago when the vets were doing all those wonderful things you lament, the newbies were doing them because that is what they saw being done in the MA.
By shortening the distances between feilds it helps create momentum and removes some of the extra time to sit around bored instead of in some kind of action. More action more quickly will tend to shape players expectations and motivation. Then you may have a chance to get them into missions again, especially if Hitech will put the NOE minimum back to 200ft. Otherwise this is all virtue signalling and many of our vets now days play this game abysmally compared to ten years ago and that is getting passed along.
Post by: The Fugitive on January 04, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Todays players are all for themselves and few look to bring the fun to others as they play. Personally Id rather fight a guy outside his ack bubble after he has gotten a bit of alt, but far to many players today NEED that kill count and so will run through the ack until one of them is dead. I have run my jug out of gas a number of times looking for or waiting for some one to come out of the ack and fight.
OddCaf, the former leader of the Ronin, use to run ops each week, many times during the day when he was on, or when a few of us logged in at the same time. Long time player, gone due to the lame crap most players now use and call a great game play. 10 years ago players not only liked the type of game play that Im talking about but they stayed in the game much longer, coincidences?
If the game is allowed to continue the way it is played now how long will it last? Going by ranks ( i know, not the most reliable way to track the data) we are losing on average 100 players a month. FSO and scenarios are only going to hold the doors open so long, and we hear about the number drops there as well.
If the ship is sinking, even slowly, maybe a tweak or two could help right it again.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 04, 2018, 09:55:00 PM
One thing that I have noticed in the MA, when someone comes over country and asks where they could best help out, they normally don’t get an answer or if they do get an answer there is a small, very small chance that they will be given the information they were looking for. The rest of the time it’s normally someone just being difficult. This community is far from united, it’s like watching a bunch of children argue about pretty irrelevant stuff. If you want change to out and affect it, be the solution and not the problem.
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Post by: Dundee on January 04, 2018, 10:01:21 PM
I dont think you can throw this on the Vets. Most still play the way they have always played, but the new guys dont want/seem to follow anyone any more. Your right, the FPS type game is what these new players base their game play on. Unfortunately this game doesnt excel at that type of play.
Todays players are all for themselves and few look to bring the fun to others as they play. Personally Id rather fight a guy outside his ack bubble after he has gotten a bit of alt, but far to many players today NEED that kill count and so will run through the ack until one of them is dead. I have run my jug out of gas a number of times looking for or waiting for some one to come out of the ack and fight.
OddCaf, the former leader of the Ronin, use to run ops each week, many times during the day when he was on, or when a few of us logged in at the same time. Long time player, gone due to the lame crap most players now use and call a great game play. 10 years ago players not only liked the type of game play that Im talking about but they stayed in the game much longer, coincidences?
If the game is allowed to continue the way it is played now how long will it last? Going by ranks ( i know, not the most reliable way to track the data) we are losing on average 100 players a month. FSO and scenarios are only going to hold the doors open so long, and we hear about the number drops there as well.
If the ship is sinking, even slowly, maybe a tweak or two could help right it again.
Yes FSO is suffering too......the 49th used to field 15 to 20 were lucky to put 6 to 8 in the air now........... new changes are have not helped attracting and keeping new players here, let alone keeping the old one's too. Steam........has run out of steam and that was supposed to put a ton of players in this game, they upped the arena from 500 to 1,000, wishful thinking that didn't pan out. I promised 8thJinx I would stick around to see what changes are coming, or I would have been out of here the first of the year. There isn't a shadow of doubt the game is not where it had hope to be, I'm hoping things change and the game play gets better and the magic is put back into the game. I think the new tweaks have caused some issues, and they can be turned off with a couple of key strokes..... it's that simple.
Post by: Crash Orange on January 04, 2018, 11:17:34 PM
The vets are teaching the newbies their bad habits because the newbies don't listen to what they virtue signal at them, they do what they see the vets doing.
This. Especially given who you're talking to.
Low, slow bombers are easy meat. The only time they're a tougher kill than fighters are when the fighters are 5' off the runway and have absolutely no E to maneuver. Or if it's 999000 gunning, but that's only him. Otherwise bombers are only really dangerous when you're chasing them low on their 6. All of which means if someone is complaining about bombers being used to defend a field it's probably because the field is deacked and 12 guys are circling waiting to race each other to be the first to vulch every fighter that ups before its wheels leave the ground. I have never see a set of buffs clear all the attacking fighters at a field, the most they can do is make the vultures back off enough from a deacked and VH-down field that fighters can take off and get over 10' and 100 mph before getting pounced on. Which is fine in my book.
Post by: thndregg on January 05, 2018, 06:31:40 AM
Skimmed through this BBS.. found this. Yet another example of "your way to play hinders my way- it sucks."
It's getting silly, trivial, and not very inspiring in my humble opinion.
Sigh..
After getting back into it last July, my "stick with it"-ness is waning.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 05, 2018, 07:03:01 AM
It seems to be a handful of the same players that are complaining but for the most part do very little to affect the way masses play the game. It would be nice to log in, hit up country chat, ask for and get an update as to the priorities as far as the “old school vets” are concerned, after all, their knowledge of the big picture is valuable.
Often times you are greeted with silence and if you do get a response it often is complete nonsense and counter productive to progress.
People wonder why “new” people often play for the two week period and leave, it’s because of the toxic community that we have.
It was mentioned earlier (not in so many words) that someone hadn’t been a member of the community long enough to have an opinion.
You all realize that this is a game and that one of the most important aspects to a growing the player base in a interest targeted game is to have a strong community.
Think about that for a while.
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Post by: puller on January 05, 2018, 08:00:16 AM
I think the new tweaks have caused some issues, and they can be turned off with a couple of key strokes..... it's that simple.
GV dar whine recorded.
Please refrain from whining about perceived issues in multiple threads.
Post by: Vraciu on January 05, 2018, 09:21:51 AM
Post by: Ciaphas on January 05, 2018, 09:46:00 AM
We should put all of this frustration in to a great night of missions in the MA.
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Post by: Vraciu on January 05, 2018, 12:30:32 PM
I think people’s frustration levels on all sides has everyone in attack mode.
We should put all of this frustration in to a great night of missions in the MA.
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Agreed. I have to say the game has been MUCH more fun since the STEAM initiative was undertaken compared to the immediate timeframe that preceded it.. Something has changed for the better.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 05, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
Post by: Vraciu on January 05, 2018, 05:40:41 PM
Let's try to rally everyone for a massive brawl tomorrow sometime. We can roast each otherin game while filling each others rides full of holes.
I'll be there.
Post by: Max on January 05, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
I'll be there.
FUSS!
Post by: Vraciu on January 05, 2018, 06:13:42 PM
FUSS!
Get back in your room!
Post by: Ciaphas on January 05, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
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Post by: Tumor on January 05, 2018, 11:38:45 PM
Post by: Vraciu on January 06, 2018, 02:09:41 AM
The Blood Dragon is a pretty old concept at this point.
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Post by: molybdenum on January 06, 2018, 06:00:03 PM
Egg, you’re absolutely correct man.
It would be nice to log in, hit up country chat, ask for and get an update as to the priorities as far as the “old school vets” are concerned, after all, their knowledge of the big picture is valuable....People wonder why “new” people often play for the two week period and leave, it’s because of the toxic community that we have.
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I know this is not an entirely fair observation because player numbers affect the issue, but the really ironic thing about your wish for big picture updates re:priorities upon login is that the changes in AH3 from AH2 (especially the most recent one, and yes, that is a dig at the GV dar) moved the player focus away from "big picture" and toward "where can I find a fight quickly." If anyone ever asked what was needed where on country when I played, I always gave them a big picture update. Other players like electroman (and some of the 49ers, like dundee) would do the same. And these are the kinds of people who are the least pleased about the new GV dar. Coincidence, you think?
Fwiw, to me the community seemed less toxic in AH3 vs AH2. No more "hit enter 3x"s to newbs, significantly less bomb 'n' bailers, more tolerance of newb questions. Players are simply becoming more self-centered and/or don't have time to help big picture because they're too busy flying for self or squad instead of country.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 06, 2018, 06:12:36 PM
As far as receiving information on the current priority pushes up to the point that you login is a joke and often times is met with ridicule. There are very few people who will give an update when asked.
We have people chastising other players for not dropping sups on a town because they didn’t know the town needed them. This, unfortunately has become the norm but perpetrated by the few.
As far as the GVdar is concerned, it’s old news, we could go in to the actual functionality of base sentries and triangulating location based on sound but there is another thread that is saturated with the GVdar tantrums.
This game has by far the oldest, by age, player base but acts the youngest. I am not the only player who sees this. These individuals are destroying the game by running potential new toon drivers off with their god complex attitudes.
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Post by: Oldman731 on January 06, 2018, 06:17:38 PM
This game has by far the oldest, by age, player base but acts the youngest. I am not the only player who sees this. These individuals are destroying the game by running potential new toon drivers off with their god complex attitudes.
Hmmmph. Get off my lawn.
- oldman
Post by: bustr on January 06, 2018, 06:43:00 PM
I REALLY hope that 8thJinx and others do have something in the pipeline that Hitech has sanctioned, and will help AH3 to invigorate the current community and hook new players into staying around. Where the GVers are concerned, some berm objects and some barn style objects to hide in, with specific "rules" from Hitech on how many can be used in a single square mile would have been a simple beginning solution to these complaints. I've found following his rules about terrain building works every time.
Post by: Ciaphas on January 06, 2018, 06:47:22 PM
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Post by: Dundee on January 07, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
Many of the complaints from veterans, even if they are living in the past, show a desire for an evolution that seems elusive to be reasonable described but, can be observed if the time is taken during the rotations of all the terrains in the queue for the MA.
You mean the one's living in the past that haven't left yet...
I REALLY hope that 8thJinx and others do have something in the pipeline that Hitech has sanctioned, and will help AH3 to invigorate the current community and hook new players into staying around. Where the GVers are concerned, some berm objects and some barn style objects to hide in, with specific "rules" from Hitech on how many can be used in a single square mile would have been a simple beginning solution to these complaints. I've found following his rules about terrain building works every time.
The problem with that is the GV dar is actually going to pin point the barn the GV is hiding in if the restrict the number of barns per Square mile....there were very few barns that tanks could fit in....in Ace High II ...... M3's and Jeeps could get in all of them... the barns with the open sides that had little cover were the only ones that a tank could fit in.. Interesting that you mentioned the restrictions AH has placed on you map makers, here we though you were the one's with the vendetta against the GV'ers ..... I kind of thought it was the power to be that was steering the game in that direction. Like I said it's Dales game and he's going to have it the way he wants it. It will be interesting to see if the changes 8thJinx was talking about will be an improvement or..................