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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Mister Fork on January 15, 2018, 05:14:47 PM
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Went to get a AMD based video card (since GeForce are all being scooped for bitcoin), and I couldn't find ANY gaming video card that a) want's already 2 or 3 years old, or b) wasn't $1000.
So, what's a guy to do? Wait for the bitcoin bubble to burst (and it will, dramatically) or B, buy a computer with a good card, and then sell the computer without?
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Actually miners bought AMD first, then switched to Nvidia.
the only option is to wait, hoping for some containers full of gfx cards to arrive.
At the moment you likely only get low-end or outdated cards.
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I've never seen anything like this. Crazy. Not good for the gamers or the gaming industry at all.
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I'm gonna' laugh at these idiots when the market gets flooded and they lose their shirts.
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You can laugh already. You literally have to use more money in electricity than you will ever recover from mining. It's a fools market.
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You can laugh already. You literally have to use more money in electricity than you will ever recover from mining. It's a fools market.
You made me smile with this one.
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You can laugh already. You literally have to use more money in electricity than you will ever recover from mining. It's a fools market.
Guarantee a lot of them still live with their parents so they dont have to worry about paying bills
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I would like to update my video card too, and figure it might be another 6 to 8 months before the cryptocurrency craze passes. At least, I hope so.
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In a way, the bitcoin thing reminds of the book Ready Player One.
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It’s like starting a company selling bottled air. No factories just stockholders……
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What does bitcoin have to do with video cards? (I really don't know.)
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What does bitcoin have to do with video cards? (I really don't know.)
As you know, modern processors (CPU's) can have multiple cores, 2 and 4 cores being the mainstream and 6 or 8 widely available. The more cores, the more simultaneous calculations can be performed. Mining bitcoin is calculating. When you get a result, you earn some. Of course the calculations are much more complicated than 1+1=2 which of course means that more processing power = more calculations = more possibilities to "find" a "coin" in a certain period of time.
Now you may know that video cards are very similar to computers. They have a processor and memory just like the computer has. The main difference is that the video card processor can have hundreds of cores instead of, say, 8. And they're fast. So instead of chaining hundreds of computers you can achieve the same calculating power by getting one single high end video card. Not to mention you can SLI/Crossfire several of them in a single machine.
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What does bitcoin have to do with video cards? (I really don't know.)
The GPU's are used to generate new bitcoins. Or in other words "mining". These bitcoin miners have been buying cards like crazy and created a shortage on the market and therefor the prices skyrocketed.
DutchVII
(While i hit reply some one came into my store, i didnt see Bizmans reaction. Oops :angel:)
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Madness!! :old:
Wealth should be traded using something with real value -- like tulip bulbs! :D
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Madness!! :old:
Wealth should be traded using something with real value -- like tulip bulbs! :D
We Dutch totally agree. And we are way ahead of you. It's our 1# export product.
DutchVII
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The GPU's are used to generate new bitcoins. Or in other words "mining". These bitcoin miners have been buying cards like crazy and created a shortage on the market and therefor the prices skyrocketed.
DutchVII
(While i hit reply some one came into my store, i didnt see Bizmans reaction. Oops :angel:)
I had a totally different idea in mind when someone said VIDEO CARD MINING. I thought they were hoarding them like .22LR ammo a few years back.
When I hear "BITCOIN" my eyes roll back in my head and my brain shuts off.
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Cryptocurrencies are popping up all over the place.
It looks like the miners mine one for a bit,then move to the next one when the one they currently mine crashes.
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When I hear "BITCOIN" my eyes roll back in my head and my brain shuts off.
On the plus side this brings your brain activity down to the level of the average Bitcoin enthusiast.
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I got my 1060 6gb about a year ago just before things went totally nuts. Now that same card is like double the price I paid. Just crazy. What sucks is the demand side of the issue isn't coming from folks like us that might actually use them for what they're designed for. It's people that can afford to buy shipping containers of them at a time for mining. A good problem to have if you're any cards manufacturer but sucks to be us!
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Well, there are two things driving the prices up.
1) The cryptocurrency craze.
2) RAM prices are also very high. Some are saying it too is being driven by cryptocurrency miners.
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On the plus side this brings your brain activity down to the level of the average Bitcoin enthusiast.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
That's just terble. LOL!!!
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Isn't precious metal a factor in prices for all this computer stuff?
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1929 :bhead
On another forum, bitcoin people are bragging about how much they have made. The problem is their profit was in bitcoin.
Back when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market around 1980, I had a couple of friends that lost everything they had after riding silver to the top. I remember their faces when the broker called saying how much they owed for silver futures.
Sooner or later, the insiders will cash out.
The good news is there will be a huge glut of computer stuff on ebay.
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Not sure what the used market will be like for video cards when the crash comes. I don't think I'll be in the market for a used high end video card that has spent months working flat out 24/7 with most likely less than ideal cooling.
The crash can't come soon enough for me, but I hope it affects ALL cryptocurrencies, not just Bitcoin.
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Jesus wept! I just looked up my MSI 1060 6GB GamerX. I think I paid something like 259 bucks for it. Now going for 796 on Newegg! That's just plain crazy land.
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I recollect reading something at least a year if not two ago that the miners, the serious ones not guy in underwear at home, were having chips designed and manufactured that were optimized for mining. It seemed to be saying there was no point in trying to mine your own, I guess the recent price hysteria and copycatcoins have opened up mining in your undies market again.
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Cryptocurrency values have recently fallen $200 bn:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/over-dollar200-billion-wiped-off-the-value-of-cryptocurrencies-as-bitcoin-ethereum-and-ripple-sink-sharply/ar-AAuNv4b?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/over-dollar200-billion-wiped-off-the-value-of-cryptocurrencies-as-bitcoin-ethereum-and-ripple-sink-sharply/ar-AAuNv4b?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp)
:cheers:
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It has been estimated about 1,000 people control over 90% of the cryptocurrency market. Guess what happens when those players collectively decide to dump their coins?
See, there are no controls in that market to prevent such a thing from happening. Those exercising insider trading are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Ill have no pity for the people who lose their shirts off of bitcoin.
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Ill have no pity for the people who lose their shirts off of bitcoin.
I’m no fan of fiat currencies either, but I share your sentiment.
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Wow.
I paid $819 for my card on 5/19/2017. from newegg
1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 GAMING, 11G-P4-6696-KR, 11GB GDDR5X, iCX Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors & RGB LED ...
Now it's $1399.00 that's just nutty. AND it's out of stock.
I still have another machine to build. Guess it's getting the old GTX970 until things simmer down.
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6GB 1060s are way less than that. My 1060 is about the same price it was when AH3 came out. Why? Not top of the line?
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The EVGA 6GB 1060 that I paid $249 for, is now $639.
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I see a potential for some easy money here: Those of you having bought the latest GPU and still have a high end card of the previous generation gathering dust, why not sell the newest card to the miners for a ridiculously high price? AH will run well with a tad older card and hopefully when it doesn't you can buy a brand new card for a nice price.
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The EVGA 6GB 1060 that I paid $249 for, is now $639.
Hmmm. Amazon has them from $262 used and $499 new.
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V I bought the particular MSI card I did with the idea of overclocking it. I needed the excellent cooler and more HD hardware on that guy in order to do that. In short, there's 1060 cards and there's 1060 cards. The chip is just the start. Also the memory on these cards isn't all the same. Type, not size.
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Makes sense. You get what you pay for.
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I bought a 1060 6gb for £289 couple of months ago? Price in the UK not changed.
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I bought a 1060 6gb for £289 couple of months ago? Price in the UK not changed.
Looks the same here in Finland: One of our leading online retailers has 1060 for ~€300, 1080 for ~€500-600 and 1080Ti for ~€880, roughly 130 different models (including AMD) available in a week or less.
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If drug money is being laundered then this may be with us for a long time.
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It is pretty well established it is being used to launder money. However, if banks stopped honoring it, world wide, then it would eventually die. I know the likelihood of that is pretty slim.
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Wow the GTX 1060 3GB I bought in 2016 for $199 is now $369.
The GTX 1070 8GB I bought in 2017 for $349 is now $627.
This is insanity!
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Look at system RAM prices, if you want more insanity.
I feel for anyone wanting to build a computer right now. The prices are getting stupid.
The problem is, in the past when prices got like this the market self-leveled as sales would drop and drive prices back down. The cryptocrazies are still buying everything so the prices are still going up.
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The price changes seem to be for US retailers only, the prices havent changes on the usualy european retail sites I use.
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Translation:
- I've never mined any crypto currency but I know one who does. Gotta find out how it's been done.
- A guy at our office talks about mining every day. He always says "Gotta go do some mining" and then he.. then he...
- Oh hell no! It may well be that he's just taking a dump, calling it mining. Oh crap! Now I get why he stared at me so weirdly when I asked if I could come and watch someday.
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I was going to build a new system, but under the circumstances I will wait until the prices become reasonable.
When that happens, all of you bitcoin miners are encouraged to contact me to sell all of the hardware (at a 80% reduction, of course).
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I was going to build a new system, but under the circumstances I will wait until the prices become reasonable.
When that happens, all of you bitcoin miners are encouraged to contact me to sell all of the hardware (at a 80% reduction, of course).
Buying parts that have been run 24/7 might be risky
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Not really. Most of the miners have been running the cards at reduced power settings to get more bang for the buck.
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Buying parts that have been run 24/7 might be risky
24/7 hurts less than poor airflow and excessive debris. I'd rather buy from a cost aware miner than a gamer trying to squeeze yet one more frame per second.
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This thread confuses me.
I wanted to give bitcoin mining a try. Someone sold me a starter package - Mule, pick & shovel, sturdy throusers, beans and flour, and a map.
Now that I read all this stuff, am I doing things wrong?
:headscratch:
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ROFL! :rofl
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This thread confuses me.
I wanted to give bitcoin mining a try. Someone sold me a starter package - Mule, pick & shovel, sturdy throusers, beans and flour, and a map.
Now that I read all this stuff, am I doing things wrong?
:headscratch:
Have to head on the Oregon Trail
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If anyone is needing a higher end GPU sooner than later, one option is the Titan XP. I bought one last year, and they are still $1200 direct from nVidia. So far they aren’t affected by the price increases, and are still in stock too. Beats paying 1400 or more for a ti right now...
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I have ordered 2 :)
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I have ordered 2 :)
How many years is mom keeping your allowance? :rofl
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How many years is mom keeping your allowance? :rofl
...forget that, she still can't get him out of her basement!
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In Europe stocks are almost dry, heavily overpriced and/or sellers limiting orders to 2 cards per customer.
Availability and prices are OK for lower end cards like RX550, GT 1030 or GTX 1050/i but anything above is hard to come by for a reasonable price
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How many years is mom keeping your allowance? :rofl
I am from Uganda and the UN pay for my cards and 7 wives
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I am from Uganda and the UN pay for my cards and 7 wives
:rofl
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You can get Antminers on Ebay right now for between $3600 and $6000. They are supposed to return 0.5 bitcoins/mo., but you will have to replace them with updated miners in six months to a year (allegedly, at least). This does not sound like it would be appealing to the same demographic that complains about $15/mo. to play one of the greatest games around.
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:)
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I know it is a tough question, but how long is this price hike expected to last? I would like to come back, but I need a better video card.
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No one knows.
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Oh, I'm aware that no one knows.
I was looking for some speculation here to have some idea when I may return to AH. I just cannot stomach the thought of paying so much in light of artificially inflated prices.
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I do not see it ending any time soon. I am also looking to update my video card in my home computer, but, like you, am waiting for the prices to get back to sane levels.
Unfortunately, I do not see it ending anytime soon. It is going to take a huge paradigm shift to get things back to normal. Maybe by the end of the year.
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It would be horrible if it takes a year for the market to normalize. I had gotten a good deal on a GTX 1080 a while back and was expecting to see the prices fall even lower... instead they doubled. I want to get a 2nd Oculus Rift for my son's PC, but I won't do that until I can get a GTX 1080 or better for a reasonable price.
Adapted from classic "Ti Kwan Leep" radio skit:
Ed Gruberman: Yeah, uh, no disrespect or nothin', but, like, uh, how long is this gonna take?
Teacher: Aces High is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever towards the horizon.
Ed Gruberman: So like, what, an hour or so?
Teacher: No, no, we have not even begun upon the path. Ed Gruberman, you must learn patience.
Ed Gruberman: Yeah yeah yeah, patience. How long will that take?
Teacher: Time has no meaning. To a true student, a year is as a day.
Ed Gruberman: A YEAR??? I wanna shoot people down right now! I got the HOTAS! Hah woo yah ooomm!
I highly recommend listening to the original skit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM
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More and more people are getting obsessed with it. They think it is a path to a get-rich-quick lifestyle without realizing about 1,000 people control over 90% of the cryptocurrency market.
All they are really doing is making those people rich. It is a brilliant scam. Those people buy and dump, collectively, controlling what coin is the hot coin of the day. These people control the largest data farms in the cryptocurrency market. One of those players has a data farm with over 80,000 video cards in it.
They buy train loads at a time and rent 747's to get them to the farms. Seems the more people that get into it, the more they buy to make sure they stay ahead of everyone else. It is a vicious circle feeding on itself.
That is my take on it, and many will poo-poo it. When you look at greed and how it compels people, there is always something or someone at the center of it all controlling who is actually making the real money.
The only thing that can kill it now is if it becomes regulated, which is not going to happen world-wide. The fight is on though.
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(https://i.imgur.com/yI5vlgv.jpg)
And here I sit on my puny GTX 950... :rofl :uhoh :(
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(https://i.imgur.com/yI5vlgv.jpg)
And here I sit on my puny GTX 950... :rofl :uhoh :(
There is a special place in hell for these people. The good news is, when the markets crash there will be cheap 1080Tis for everyone.
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They might recover their investment in five of ten years. Then again, they may not recover from their electric bill.
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Heh... Wonder if we'll see a rash of people being raided for using suspicious amounts of electricity as this becomes more popular.
Wiley.
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All they are really doing is making those people rich.
<SNIP>
When you look at greed and how it compels people, there is always something or someone at the center of it all controlling who is actually making the real money.
PT Barnum would be very proud at the notion of cryptocurrency. Unfortunately, currency is mainly supported by the ability to project military power (or power of some kind) and bitcoin has no such backing.
The other question I had was, "Is there any benefit to the computations these computers are doing (other than to get rich)?" Is there a way to capitalize on prime numbers for security or is that impossible?
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Blockchain is here to stay
Therefore, mining is here to stay
So just like bitcoin prices 5 months ago at $1500 a coin, that 1080ti @$1100 today may be a deal 5 months from now. I can see them being 2500 per card before long .
Also, Nvidia won’t be making any more cards till June or so because of a shortage of parts.
$2500 per card isn’t too far down the road
This is why I will mine with asic
Lots cheaper
More efficient
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The people I know who make $ mining, on a small scale at least, almost all have some sort of "free electricity" set up, either through their school dorm, apartment/condo block, whatever. That's the only way I'd consider it, and I've been trading in BC since 2012.
nVidia is also now officially sold out of the Titan XP, only the $3000 Titan V is left in stock, so, so much for that way to go.
There are some around, but mostly inside already pre built systems siting in stock in places like Staples, Best Buy, whatever. I have a friend that bought a $2000 USD 7820k system from Staples Canada, just to get the 1080ti installed in it, and parted out the rest of the components - ended up costing him $750 USD, not too bad considering prices and availability right now.
When the new nVidia Volta cards come out, some say Q2 this year - I wonder how it's going to go so far as reserving them early. My current dealer, who has a dozen stores and focuses on gamers and small business, will only sell high end GPUs to someone buying entire systems right now, or very long term customers who are upgrading. They also have a shortage on PSUs, big time, it's as bad as the GPUs nearly up here in Canada, very, very hard to find a quality 850 to 1300+ PSU right now, glad I have a couple extra for future builds. Just wish I'd kept the GPUs I sold off in the last year, 2 1080s and 2 1080tis.
I hope nVidia and AMD up their production, only way to get some relief in the short term for the gaming industry.
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No idea what anyone is talking about, people want waste money to try and make money?
Don’t affect me :old:
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No idea what anyone is talking about, people want waste money to try and make money?
Don’t affect me :old:
They want to make imaginary pretend money by spending real money
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Also, Nvidia won’t be making any more cards till June or so because of a shortage of parts.
Got a source?
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How the heck do you MINE a fake coin???????????????????
Is it a random number generator or something????????????????????????????????????????? :headscratch:
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Got a source?
I'd like to see that too, as I've read the exact opposite from several sources, in fact Samsung is in the middle of mass full scale production of GDDR6 memory as of 2 weeks ago, cranking out components for future Volta/nVidia/etc GPUs. I've seen 3 major tech sites all comment that this likely means that Volta CPUs are coming late Q1 or early Q2 based on the production schedules they've seen. Not sure what other components in a GPU could cause there to be a shortage that would drastically affect production other than memory right now, but it's certainly possible, I'd just like to read it myself.
Also, Microcenter is now offering GPUs up to the 1080ti at MSRP, so long as you are purchasing it for a new system, and "proving" that buy purchasing a new MB, PSU, and CPU from them as well. Worst case you could resell the MB/PSU/CPU if you really need a GPU. Anyone badly needing a GPU right now, and choosing to go this route, if you don't want the other 3 components, I'm in the market for a new 8700k and accompanying Asus MB, and I'll take a PSU as well so long as it's a decent model - PM me if you can't afford the other 3 components, and I'll kick in the $ and some extra for shipping.
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I saw it in a mining group
Can’t find it now
No idea if it was real
Time will tell
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Sure, gpu are better suited for "mining" but there are other types of processor architecture that are far better than even gpu.
If I thought the bitcoin bubble would last longer, I would invest in who makes these processors.
Remember the gold rush when the sellers of mining tools and supplies made money regardless of the fortunes of the minors?
asic (application specific integrated circuits) and fpga (field programmable gate arrays) mine better than cpu or gpu and it reminds me of the early 1990s when texas instruments "mvp chipset" showed with abilities far beyond anything in existence only to have nestor/intel to bring out a neural network chip/card that was even faster.
I haven't kept up with what happened to "mvp" or the "Ni 1000" stuff but I imagine those two family trees of processor design are somehow involved in taking mining beyond gpu mining.
As it stands now, a single gtx1070 mines at around "30 mh/s" while the top end antminer s9 does "13.5 th/s". In "mh/s", the "m" is "mega" so that means that the "g" in "gh/s" means "giga"and the "t" stands for "tera".
Video cards pricing has come up enough that an antminer s9 is a far better deal even with the substantially higher initial investment.
Anybody considering mining needs to know the who they are up against as competitors........
(http://whattonews.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/d1a59d5d78f429b8.png)
Inside one of those buildings......
(https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1t3SWOXXXXXc4XFXXq6xXFXXXb/Bitmain-BITCOIN-Mining-Machine-BTC-Ming-Tool.jpg)
Guys like bitmain are your competition and they also designed the hardware you would use to compete with them.......with their cheap hydroelectric power bills.
I'm hoping new technology will stop the crazy gpu price increases or that mining becomes "uncool".
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I’ll ask again...
How exactly is a bitcoin mined? What’s the gimmick?
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It's strange and every bitcoin "play" has a different story that suits his position.
What I do know is that it's about making financial transactions, checks and balances of said transactions, and ensuring all the numbers are correct down to smallest fractions.
Let's say that the scam pulled off in "office space" and before that "superman 3" can not happen because every smallest "cent" fraction of a cent is accounted for.
There is no "rounding off".
There is no government based "currency" here so they use technology to ensure accuracy and security.
It uses "distributed computing" much like the old "SETI" in the 1990s which people invited in to their computers to use processor power while idle and the screen saver is on.
Nowadays, your browser could be inviting someone in and be using your processor cycles to mine for someone else.
Some browsers have "extensions" for this exact scenario and it's pretty uncool someone remotely could be sucking the life out of your browsing sessions.
What bothers me is that they seem to be creating much of their own traffic simply by the processes of mining and that they are also "creating cash" from nothing at all which sounds like inflation to me.
I feel anybody who hasn't gotten involved before it went past 5000 is simply propping up the structure as the early big investors are trying to extract money without triggering a collapse.
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This whole blockchain thing has me at a loss. What practical value is added to the world by all this mining? What task are they actually accomplishing?
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Eddie Morra: [at a party] ... Well sure, you'd get a short-term spike, but wouldn't that rapid expansion devalue the stock completely in two years?
Kevin Doyle: No, 'cause there are safeguards!
Eddie Morra: Against aggressive overexpansion? There aren't because there are no safeguards in human nature. We're wired to overreach. Look at history, all the countries that have ever ruled the world - Portugal, with its big, massive navy... All they've got now are salt cods and cheap condoms.
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I’ll ask again...
How exactly is a bitcoin mined? What’s the gimmick?
They're doing complicated calculations and when someone finally gets an answer it's worth something. Calculating prime numbers could be used for that among other time and resources consuming tasks (like SETI) but for some odd reason they rather calculate some imaginary things instead of anything useful.
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They're doing complicated calculations and when someone finally gets an answer it's worth something. Calculating prime numbers could be used for that among other time and resources consuming tasks (like SETI) but for some odd reason they rather calculate some imaginary things instead of anything useful.
That’s why it makes no sense to me then. It’s imagimary with zero value added. What a scam.
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One of this mornings headlines:
Hackers Hijack Google’s DoubleClick Advertisement System On YouTube For Cryptocurrency Mining
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/219792/20180127/hackers-hijack-google-s-doubleclick-advertisement-system-on-youtube-for-cryptocurrency-mining.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/219792/20180127/hackers-hijack-google-s-doubleclick-advertisement-system-on-youtube-for-cryptocurrency-mining.htm)
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That’s why it makes no sense to me then. It’s imagimary with zero value added. What a scam.
Yes, but to their honour it must be said they know that the number of results to be calculated isn't infinite. So there's something to be mined until the resources run out, thereafter it's all about buying and selling. Just like the dollar bill used to have the word "silver" which meant it's value was the same as the silver coin. And now it's just about an agreement about what it's worth.
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And here are some things to be aware of, even if you are not mining, your computer could be doing it for others. The latest brand of virus/malware.
https://www.neowin.net/news/youtube-ads-hijacked-visitors-computers-to-mine-cryptocurrency
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Asic is definitely the ticket
But if you gpu mine and for some reason everything around bitcoin does crash, or the difficulties increase, I can still sell the cards and recoup money. Where as asic is just a $2000 space heater lol
But since cards are next to impossible to find, I’ll get another L3 and a couple s9’s and call it a day and see what happens
After all, it is all house money from investing
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For now, it is annoying that the miners have bid up all the prices.
But I'm hoping that in the near future there will be an avalanche of cheap cards on the market.
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Supply and command
Blame Nvidia
Not me
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My daughter wants to fly Aces High offline, going to build her a new computer with onboard video, will let you guys know how well it runs the game.
Here is what I plan to put together for her, its a pretty solid machine that should run the game fine with the latest intel onboard, its GPU ready for when prices fall again.
PCPartPicker part list (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJwXm8) / Price breakdown by merchant (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gJwXm8/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k) ($169.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2) ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/39hj4D/asrock-z370-pro4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z370-pro4) ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot - Viper Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/n2hj4D/patriot-viper-elite-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2400-memory-pve48g240c5krd) ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($46.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill - 600W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFTrxr/rosewill-power-supply-valens600) ($59.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $530.94
I'm having a case given to me, but if you need one, it shouldnt cost more than $50.
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We Dutch totally agree. And we are way ahead of you. It's our 1# export product.
DutchVII
No no. We Scots are way ahead! Remember the great Haggis Bubble of 1869? That was messy! Literally!
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Haggerty, why Rosewill when you could get a Seasonic for about the same price? Are you planning to build a firecracker?
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Are you planning to build a firecracker?
:rofl
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Supply and command
Blame Nvidia
Not me
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It's a Rickyism (Trailer Park Boys)
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I went out and got a mule,shovel,pickaxe and a pan! Now where does one go to do this mining for bits? :old:
:salute
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It's a Rickyism (Trailer Park Boys)
Gorilla see Gorilla do. :)
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It's a Rickyism (Trailer Park Boys)
Hey, it's not Rocket Surgery. :lol
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Hey, it's not Rocket Surgery. :lol
I hate to say atodaso, but I atodaso.
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EVGA is apparently selling direct to gamers at MSRP too, you can reserve cards for when they get stock if they're out of certain models as well.
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No no. We Scots are way ahead! Remember the great Haggis Bubble of 1869? That was messy! Literally!
I thought Scotlands #1 export is grass seed?
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I did see them advertising at normal prices and put in an alert on a card but i didn't see a way to purchase off their site, instead they have a "where to buy" area that seems to then link to vendors who have the price jacked up.
Is there a direct buy link that i missed?
EVGA is apparently selling direct to gamers at MSRP too, you can reserve cards for when they get stock if they're out of certain models as well.
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Hey, it's not Rocket Surgery. :lol
You rickyism’d a rickyism. Lol
It’s not rocket appliances 😂😂😂😂
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Kanth, looks like they sold out all their stock since I saw it yesterday, no surprise. Other forums where I found that story have said EVGA will have stock soon again based on responses they received when contacting them, so I'd just click on the "notify me" button and sit and wait a short time.
https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+10+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+1080+Ti
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Is it Nvidia cards only
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Just wait for the fire sale.
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You rickyism’d a rickyism. Lol
It’s not rocket appliances 😂😂😂😂
:rofl
I stole it from Frank Caliendo. At 4:33 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqN8v5pZC54
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I hate to say atodaso, but I atodaso.
:rofl :aok
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If you want GPU at a reasonable price you can go to ASUS, EVGA, MSI and just buy a combination. EVGA even has cards with water coolers. The X299 even comes with a free bench table at the moment.
https://www.evga.com/products/featured-bundles.aspx
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EVGA even has cards with water coolers.
https://i.imgur.com/L2TDH3T.png
Seems rather impractical.
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Maybe impractical but it sure looks cool!
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More unfortunate news from NVidia and AMD. They both agree video card prices will continue to rise through 2018. Part of it is the cryptocraze and the other part is the RAM prices.
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Well, I wish Aces High and its community the best of luck. I won't be coming back anytime soon, not that I can't afford it, I just refuse to be fleeced while paying for hardware.
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Del, check out the reviews of the new AMD Ryzen 2400G - this CPU has built-in Vega graphics, and it is able to play some high end games at low/medium settings with decent frame rates. I am hoping somebody will try it with AH3 out and report results to us. You could add a video card at a later date with a system built around that.
Otherwise I think a $250 1050Ti would be a reasonable starter card you could get by with until prices come down. I have an 4Gb Radeon RX 480, prolly roughly equivalent to the 1050Ti, I get 60 fps at default graphics settings - which include shadows, reflections, etc. I am running at 1080p. The miners aren't going so much for the lower end cards, so the prices aren't so outrageous and stock should be available. You still have options.
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A $160 GTX 1050 with 2 GB is sufficient for AH. It gives 60 fps with shadows, reflections, and slider set to none.
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See Rule #14
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Right. And I’m happy I’m invested in it.
Can’t wait to see what 5 years brings
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See Rule #14
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Yes and I heard recently in Iceland a bunch of aces higers got together and stole every graphics card and computer on the continent. I love iceland. :bolt:
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http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050417 (http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050417)
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If you want to put your money in a market outside of the traditional banking systems, then you should buy gold. Put your money into anything that is not tangible risks a zero value crash as new, improved technologies emerge. Don't forget the rush to get into the .com market.
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Time wheel tail the tell
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Del, check out the reviews of the new AMD Ryzen 2400G - this CPU has built-in Vega graphics, and it is able to play some high end games at low/medium settings with decent frame rates. I am hoping somebody will try it with AH3 out and report results to us. You could add a video card at a later date with a system built around that.
Otherwise I think a $250 1050Ti would be a reasonable starter card you could get by with until prices come down. I have an 4Gb Radeon RX 480, prolly roughly equivalent to the 1050Ti, I get 60 fps at default graphics settings - which include shadows, reflections, etc. I am running at 1080p. The miners aren't going so much for the lower end cards, so the prices aren't so outrageous and stock should be available. You still have options.
I just tested the laptop verson of the new CPU. Its the 2500U in the Envy x360, 8gb ram, 2ghz processor. With all sliders maxed, disabling reflections and post processing I was getting 40 fps looking around the tower. When I logged in and sliders around the middle it was capped at 60fps. I can only imagine the desktop versions will be much more powerful and will have no problems playing 60fps with maxed sliders.
Unbelievably I just moved over my my other dauther's alienware laptop with a GTX 970M, aftermarket improved memory 16gb, and i7 2.5ghz, SSD, and I'm only getting ~29 fps with the same settings.
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Cool Haggerty, glad to hear it. Just curious, what do you get in the same situation when you click the "Default" graphic settings button? This include POST processing options, shadows, reflections, ENV slider = 1, but the rest of the sliders are at middle or lower I think.
Also I often get better frame rates after I go to the runway - sometimes the tower is harder on frame rates than being in the cockpit on the runway. Don't know why.
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Looks like GPUs are finally returning to MSRP prices. Wonder how the crypto investments are paying off now.
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Crypto is down overall from the time of the highest GPU insanity, anyone can see that looking at the charts. Still, people do make $ off mining still, and with the GPU market somewhat "normalizing" now, I'm wondering what's going to happen with the 1180/2080/whatever the new nVidia GPU coming in a month or three...
There are dedicated mining units coming which the GPU manufacturers are hoping will alleviate any strain put on the new GPU cards coming from both nVidia and AMD, but will that be enough? Hard to say, I'd bet on most of the initial founders edition 1180/whatever cards getting snapped up by the miners unless some sort of preventions are put in place to try and mitigate this. That'll disrupt the GPU market all over again. Worst case scenario anyway. I'm hoping it doesn't happen, I really want to grab the new nVidia cards right away, a couple Founders and then a couple more of the non Founder versions rumored to be out in July/August. I'm not holding my breath, and will count myself lucky to get to upgrade just one system with a new GPU. The up side to this is that the $ I have in the 3 1080ti and 1 Titan XP should stay around long enough to sell them for some value while upgrading them.
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Ill be curious to see what the used 1080 tis will go for in the next year or so. Might be worth upgrading my system. Though id be worried about their reliability if they were run 24/7.
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Been waiting a year to upgrade my home video card. Went ahead and got a new monitor. Still not happy with video card prices.
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Me either. I won't even consider coming back to AH until the price becomes reasonable again. Not that I can't afford it, I just don't want to pay big money on a card for a game that I have little impulse to play right now.
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The Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 Windforce OC 3GB that at $229, I bought September 2016 has now, after a $30 mail-in rebate, finally almost come down to the price I paid for it, about $210.
This card btw, runs AH3 well on the Oculus Rift.
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137115&cm_re=gtx_1080_ti-_-14-137-115-_-Product
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As you know, modern processors (CPU's) can have multiple cores, 2 and 4 cores being the mainstream and 6 or 8 widely available. The more cores, the more simultaneous calculations can be performed. Mining bitcoin is calculating. When you get a result, you earn some. Of course the calculations are much more complicated than 1+1=2 which of course means that more processing power = more calculations = more possibilities to "find" a "coin" in a certain period of time.
Now you may know that video cards are very similar to computers. They have a processor and memory just like the computer has. The main difference is that the video card processor can have hundreds of cores instead of, say, 8. And they're fast. So instead of chaining hundreds of computers you can achieve the same calculating power by getting one single high end video card. Not to mention you can SLI/Crossfire several of them in a single machine.
Ok, I think I get the jest of it, but still does not make since to me. You mind a coin but it is not real and you can not use to to buy a product? And I have been wondering why the 1080's have not come down in price. Been wanting to up grade for a while but not at these prices.
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Bitcoin is like American Football.
Its money but you cannot spend it :rofl
Its called football but you hold the ball :rofl
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Next thing we know, Zack is going to be insulting fine yellow mustard.
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Ok, I think I get the jest of it, but still does not make since to me. You mind a coin but it is not real and you can not use to to buy a product? And I have been wondering why the 1080's have not come down in price. Been wanting to up grade for a while but not at these prices.
You can buy products using virtual coins. According to the authorities it's very popular for paying criminalized things such as assaults, drugs, murder etc. since the transactions can't be tracked. Of course you can use it for legitimate payments as well. There's hundreds of companies accepting it for payment, including Microsoft, Newegg and Tesla. You can also get a BitPay Visa Prepaid Debit card which is accepted most everywhere.
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Until it crashes and then you cant...
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Until it crashes and then you cant...
Exactly.
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I am normally a technophile, but I do not foresee bitcoin surviving, particularly when they start to subvert individual countries control of currency. It will become an illegal form of currency just like it is in China.
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I could care less about Bitcoin, other than the fact that it destroyed the price/age curve for gpus. I bought a 1080 GTX for $470 just before the miners started sucking up the gpu supply. I wanted to get another one and many months later, the 1080 GTX is still selling for retail or higher instead of being the same or cheaper than the last time I bought one. On the bright side, the miners may break me of my flight sim habit and I will return to building model airplanes since I have a closet full of models waiting to be built so they can join the rest hanging from my ceiling.
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When coin mining takes a dive or when the current crop of GPU's isn't good enough for mining anymore -- there will be a flood of cards for very low prices.
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Bitcoin may or may not survive, the technology behind it (blockchain) will survive, and keep the urge to harvest whatever the application in the future..
I don't foresee the banks doing all the future blockchain computing themselves without internet users free computer power, its very computer intensive, and it save big $.
Some companies/countries look at internet computer power as something to be harvested for free.
Some countries might even make it illegal to stop the country's asset management from using your computer power for their use (think china).
Imagine what a future billion computer power cluster is worth.
I am normally a technophile, but I do not foresee bitcoin surviving, particularly when they start to subvert individual countries control of currency. It will become an illegal form of currency just like it is in China.
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On the bright side, the miners may break me of my flight sim habit
It broke me of my interest in Aces High, I am in full agreement of this statement.
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Luckily, since the launch of AH3, my ancient GF 790 GTX 2 GB card provides a very playable experience. As much as I've considered an updated card and possible transition to Oculous VR, current player #'s leave me nervous about the wisdom of an investment of +/- $1K towards a singular game experience that for all intents and purposes, seems to be hovering in defacto limbo.
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I find that a $140 GTX 1050 is fine for Aces High -- 60 fps with slider set to "none".
Del, come back in!
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I am currently canning farts for the big demand on those in the near future.
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Looks like prices are starting to settle very near where they were before the mining spike, but how smart is it to buy designs this old at that price? For $500 today, I want tech that is way better. For $800, I want something that holds 120 fps at 4K with max settings in DCS World for very little power/heat. For me, PC prices have been somewhat static. A solid box should be possible for $1,500 with at least double the RAM any current application uses and room to grow. I have typically bought mainstream gpus in the $200 range or last year's single gpu monsters in the $300 range. The 1080 GTX I got for $470 (including a very long delayed $30 rebate) is by far the most expensive card I have ever bought. I only spent that money to ensure I could support 4K and/or VR as best as possible with current tech. At the time, the 1080 Ti was pretty much twice the price for relatively little gain in performance. $750 for a Ti sounds good... but it is half the cost of my entire PC including its original gpu. If I saw a Ti for $500, I would consider snapping it up. It will be interesting to see the next gpu generation's performance and prices compared to the 1060/1070/1080 generation. Will AMD ever win another development cycle? The days of the Radeon 9700 Pro/9800 Pro and Athlon 64 had such positive effects on supply/demand/pricing for gamers. AMD's inability to compete has allowed intel to drive the cpu market and nVidia to drive the gpu market for far too long.
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Analysts predicts prices will be lowered by up to 20% during July.
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The GTX 1180 will be released soonish, the leaks are already starting to come out. I'd wait unless your current GPU is dead and you just need another.
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I finally got around to checking ebay prices for used GTX 1080 cards... they are selling for about $450. I bought mine new for $470. Why would I ever buy a relatively old used card, probably smoked for 24/7 as a mining card for the same price I bought a new card? I hate to wait, but I am not stupid.
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It’s like starting a company selling bottled air. No factories just stockholders……
I was just about to get a 3rd mortgage on the house so I can make my dream of becoming an entrepreneur a reality by launching a line of bottled Gluten Free, Non GMO Raw Water. I've decided to give it a little more thought before committing.
Thanks <S>
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I was just about to get a 3rd mortgage on the house so I can make my dream of becoming an entrepreneur a reality by launching a line of bottled Gluten Free, Non GMO Raw Water. I've decided to give it a little more thought before committing.
Thanks <S>
You should go for it. They'll pay $50 a gallon in San Francisco. Can you also make it artisanal, bespoke, and fair-trade?
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Better add vegan and from self sustainable resources
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Don't forget to LGBT certifify it :aok
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My dog was gay and called Ben, MickyD has a picture of him
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I thought his name was "Elton".
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I thought it was Biggles
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Not my cup of tea, as long as they don’t scare the horses :old:
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Looks like prices are down some.
A GTX 1050 is now $130, and a GTX 1060 is $200.
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They have more or less returned to where they were before the bubble... a year or more later. Wise man say don't pay full price for ancient gpu. There is a glut of used 1080s on ebay... yet their prices are still too high for being used.
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Wait until black friday.
By november, a lot of the miners who thought they would earn back what they paid will start to panic.
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The video card industry is in a mess right now. The cryptocraze really made a mess of things. NVidia's partners have a glut of new video cards in inventory. Probably going to either take a write-down on or sell at a loss to get rid of them.
The new cards are looking like they may not be all that great, for the money.
This effects of the cryptocraze may be felt for the next two years.
Personally, I would not touch a used 1080 or 1080Ti, simply because you have no way of knowing how it was configured or what it was actually used for.
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This effects of the cryptocraze may be felt for the next two years.
See you all in two years!
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See you all in two years!
You really got burnt out that bad, crow? :D
Del, my INTEL system is over 7 years old and I have an AMD system a little older as well as an AMD system that is over 4 years including the video card
I have no issues flying AH3 on any of them.....
Hope life is treating you and your family well!
TC
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A $130 graphics card runs AH3 just fine.
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I keep watching the prices. I haven't decided whether to buy a 1080 that equals mine for my son or upgrade my pc with a 1080 Ti and give him mine. It all depends on how far the prices fall for both. I am in no hurry and could even wait for the next gen prices to fall.
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Agree with Skuzzy on any used cards of the 10xx gen, 3/4 of the used ones IMO will be ran hard doing crypto. There should be a pretty good sale with all the stock of the current series of nVidia, some AMD too although they are more scarce in my parts - buy a new card @ sale price if anything if you need to upgrade.
Regarding the 2080 series - the jury will be out until more gamer related sites/channels/writers get their hands on them, and start running some benchmarks. Early reviews for the 1080ti have shown about a 30 to 35% increase with most current games. For a card that costs SO much more than the 1080ti (I paid 900$ for my 1080tis, it's $1650 CAD to pre order the same Asus and Evga equivalent). That's a huge increase in price for not all that huge a boost in performance.
Still, for VR cockpit games, every little bit of performance can make the experience a whole lot better IMO, so I'm going to try at least one 2080ti and see where we land with that. I'm hoping Intel 9900k CPUs are out shortly as well, and will try running a 2080ti on that and see how it compares to the current standard 8700k/1080ti deal.
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I have generally paid $200 to $300 for all of my video cards. I almost always wait for prices to fall and get one of "last year's" best. Up until last year, I always got AMD as well. When 3dfx went bust, I used my Voodoo 5500 as long as I could then caught a Radeon 8500 128Mb on sale and had been happy with AMD/ATi ever since. But when my HD 7970 GHz edition got a little long in tooth and I found a GTX 1080 for $470, AMD had nothing even close in performance. But I don't think I am going to make it a habbit of spending $500 or more on a gpu. If AMD can't compete and nVidia continues to jack up prices, I will stop PC flight simming and dump the money into something else like my car or a real pilot's license.
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My R7 240 2gb works just fine for AH3...and there are a lot better cards out there cheaper and better than it...way better than it
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Budget gpus aren't going to cut it for me anymore. VR needs as much horsepower as it can get, especially in my primary sim, DCS World. P3d with Orbx makes VR unplayable and even loads down my system with higher graphics settings in 2d. My 1080 is at best adequate. My HD 7970 GHz edition is still a great gpu... but way too slow for what I am doing right now. I hope cpu's, motherboard chipsets, RAM, and gpu's all make a huge leap forward so that VR can have both a higher pixel density AND wider field of view. If VR just had the pixel density (pixels per degree of field of view) of my 46-inch 1080p LCD TV that I use for flight simming and it could run at full frame rate while doing so, I would never fly without VR. But the present effect of taking a lower resolution and spreading it over a wider field of view is to remind me of what gaming looked like on an old 640 x 480 monitor, though with really good anti-aliasing, it looks more like 800x600. For the time being, I alternate between VR and 2-d monitor depending on what level of graphics I need. It is painful to switch back-and-forth as it brings out the flaws in both approaches. When I go back to a conventional monitor, TrackIR doesn't even come close to replicating the smoothness, accuracy, and 1:1 ratio of VR. But the improvement in graphics is so dramatic, it almost hurts my eyes to go back to VR.
While I really want and need high end hardware like never before, I don't think the ends justifies the means. Having paid $470 already tested my limits, though the results in VR made it worth it. But more than that is out of the question unless my paycheck doubles to match the inflation in gpu prices.
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I don't have the money for vr so I don't have to worry about coming up with the money for a high end card :joystick: :airplane:
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You really got burnt out that bad, crow? :D
No, I actually miss AH. I just can't stomach the inflated prices for a card that isn't even top of the line. My argument that PC gaming was a great cost effective way of enjoying a diversion, but it is no longer as cost effective and makes my stance unsubstantiated.
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No, I actually miss AH. I just can't stomach the inflated prices for a card that isn't even top of the line. My argument that PC gaming was a great cost effective way of enjoying a diversion, but it is no longer as cost effective and makes my stance unsubstantiated.
Well brother, if I can be of any help, let me know what you are currently using and let me see if I can find something better for you....
Shoot me a personal message if your computer specs.... I'll see if I have something better for you
~S~
TC / Johnny
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No, I actually miss AH. I just can't stomach the inflated prices for a card that isn't even top of the line. My argument that PC gaming was a great cost effective way of enjoying a diversion, but it is no longer as cost effective and makes my stance unsubstantiated.
It depends how high your requirements are. I'd still call my system cost effective and also powerful enough to run AH3 at default settings. The motherboard and the case being ten years old are the only original parts. The CPU, RAM and GPU have been bought second hand, the previous ones being sold away. The PSU has been changed a couple of times to suit the current GPU, again the old one being sold. The most expensive single upgrade was the current GPU, a GTX970 which cost me €150 second hand minus the Single Malt Scotch I traded my previous card for. The net cost for the other upgrades has been about €30 each. All included I suppose I've spent about €250 during the last decade for keeping this system up and running. If memory serves me right, the original rig was about €650 back then. Plus the monitor, of course, which I still have. I'd call an average of €25 a year quite cost effective!
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Its not AH3, or any other version of AH that caused me to change video card, other games (sims) are far more demanding in terms of graphics.
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Well brother, if I can be of any help, let me know what you are currently using and let me see if I can find something better for you....
Shoot me a personal message if your computer specs.... I'll see if I have something better for you
To be honest, I was partially looking for an excuse not to return at least until my workload diminishes. You've always been a stand up guy, TC. Heck most of the community in here are good people as well. I am just irritated at the blatant greed I see around me and it swear it worsens every year.
To use a historical reference, if these cryptocurrency "California Gold-Rush diggers" want to mine for gold dust, so be it. Unfortunately, they are harming society with power demands (among other things) and do not have the sense to realize that some may get a gold nugget, but it is the guy who sells the miners the shovel that will make all the money.
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No, I actually miss AH. I just can't stomach the inflated prices for a card that isn't even top of the line. My argument that PC gaming was a great cost effective way of enjoying a diversion, but it is no longer as cost effective and makes my stance unsubstantiated.
a cheap 1050ti 4gb card should be enough for AH providing you have a processor and some ram. Like Save said its other games with actual graphics that need a bit more. :D