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Title: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 10, 2018, 11:48:19 PM
Here we have video evidence and proof that MSM edited frames out after the initial crash. Why they edited out the frames will shock you.
Does this look like complete control system failure to y'all? Similar to many crashes recently.
What might you think that is that they edited out?
Fair warning, the intro to this video is a creepy clown doll thing. Fast forward about 30 seconds.
https://youtu.be/VQQ7VB5L4_0
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 11, 2018, 12:24:13 AM
Hard for me to say, but that looks like a departure from controlled flight in some ways.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Lazerr on May 11, 2018, 01:25:56 AM
what about it, whats with the guy by the white truck?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 11, 2018, 01:30:04 AM
I know where you can buy lots of tinfoil hats.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Lazerr on May 11, 2018, 01:34:17 AM
It looked out of control from the entire time the camera was on it
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: scott66 on May 11, 2018, 02:28:28 AM
The interesting thing I took away from the video has nothing to do with the flight path of the plane but more of there was no explosion prior to that object that was cut out of the original...76 frames worth... Plane goes down.. Nothing for 76 frames.. Object comes from another direction straight towards the downed plane then explosion.. Interesting..
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 11, 2018, 06:38:50 AM
It was a 60 year old plane that had just under gone repairs on the way to Arizona for decommissioning.
Some people have their tin foil hats on to tightly, it's restricting the blood flow to the brain.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 11, 2018, 07:22:45 AM
All I see is a C130 going down and the creator of the youtube video is a nutjob conspiracy theorist
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: quig on May 11, 2018, 08:13:09 AM
Whatever that thing is that looks like it hits the plane actually falls in front of the building closet to the camera. You just can't see it too well because it blends in with the building. Watch the magic window. Some people... (https://i.imgur.com/3xDNDih.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5YzHoAQ.png)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 09:42:56 AM
The fact that you can't question anything these days without being a "conspiracy tin foil hat wearer" is the mark of proof that the CIA has done their job. The art of science and the main point of a hypothesis is to question what you don't know.
Why would MSM cut this out of their feed? What is the object? This is proof that they are lying to you. Manipulating film.
How do military pilots crash a plane like this? I'm thinking all of the controls went out.
This is also the very same plane that trump sat under in a conference.
And let's not question the 5 military aircraft that downed the week before in a similar fashion.
Quig, I see your point, but it also comes down right at the same point of the explosion. The explosion doesn't happen until after the object comes down. That could also very well be a shadow. Time stamp 6:33 shows nothing there after it dissapears. See that.
Scott seems to be the only one who gets it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 09:44:32 AM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Copprhed on May 11, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
I'm sorry, but the earth is round, the Holocaust happene4d, and this is just a plane that went down, not some BS being spouted by the same types of folks who see proof of ancient civilizations on Mars. Time to move along.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 01:30:06 PM
I'm sorry, but the earth is round, the Holocaust happene4d, and this is just a plane that went down, not some BS being spouted by the same types of folks who see proof of ancient civilizations on Mars. Time to move along.
Lmao. I'm trying to have a rational and logical conversation about military jets crashing, drones in the film, and media manipulation cutting of the frames. No conspiracy here. It's right on tape, forensic video analysis proves it. I thought people who enjoy airplanes, flying, and some who are even pilots, could have a rational conversation, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: pembquist on May 11, 2018, 01:56:25 PM
Why would the linked youtube video have any credibility? It doesn't have any for me. Definitely don't fast forward past the creepy clown, it puts the entire production in context.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
Why would the linked youtube video have any credibility? It doesn't have any for me. Definitely don't fast forward past the creepy clown, it puts the entire production in context.
So you trust a knowingly cut framed shaking on purpose HLN media production over an analysis done by an actual recording of the situation, which has been posted before. I guess that explains whats wrong with half our society these days....
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: wil3ur on May 11, 2018, 02:37:16 PM
My Iraq vet friend has some stories about the Puerto Rican NG... Mostly shooting people in the rear.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 11, 2018, 03:01:18 PM
It's possible they got slow, stalled, and VMC'd that sucker into the ground. It looks like they loaded the airplane up in a nose down attitude and spun in. Why would they get slow? Could be anything from inattention to a pitot system failure to a load shift in back (if they had one).
Not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: mbailey on May 11, 2018, 04:00:38 PM
Lmao. I'm trying to have a rational and logical conversation about military jets crashing, drones in the film, and media manipulation cutting of the frames. No conspiracy here. It's right on tape, forensic video analysis proves it. I thought people who enjoy airplanes, flying, and some who are even pilots, could have a rational conversation, but I guess that's too much to ask.
I believe the issue is trying to have a rational and logical discussion when it's started under the guise of a tinfoil hat video, that shows no rationality or logical reason to be part of a rational discussion.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 04:11:52 PM
I believe the issue is trying to have a rational and logical discussion when it's started under the guise of a tinfoil hat video, that shows no rationality or logical reason to be part of a rational discussion.
It doesn't? Did you even watch it? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: BowHTR on May 11, 2018, 06:30:54 PM
It does indeed look like a bird. Interesting none the less.
I see your point but A, why would media edit that out? Have you ever seen a bird fly that fast? It still dissapears before the barn.. it dissapears at the hill level. The other film compared it to the other bird. That thing is moving at Super Sonic speed. That vid also has 6 down votes to 6. This leads me to believe that it might be faked. Even though you could make the same argument on mine, it still has 24 likes and 0 dislikes. So IDK.
All I'm saying is that I think advanced technology blew this plane up after the crash to destroy comms and evidence. Have you ever seen an explosion that big from a plane crash?
Here is the original link where I found the video.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DaveBB on May 11, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
The C-130 lost an engine on takeoff. That in itself doesn't pose a problem, but it probably severed the control cables. The plane does not appear to be stalled, it simply doesn't have any control. Tragic loss of life. I'm not sure if military aircraft carry flight data recorders (especially this one), but I'd be interested in seeing what control inputs were being applied when the plane rolled left. I suspect right aileron and rudder.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 11, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
The C-130 lost an engine on takeoff. That in itself doesn't pose a problem, but it probably severed the control cables. The plane does not appear to be stalled, it simply doesn't have any control. Tragic loss of life. I'm not sure if military aircraft carry flight data recorders (especially this one), but I'd be interested in seeing what control inputs were being applied when the plane rolled left. I suspect right aileron and rudder.
They look like they pull back on the controls and snap roll the airplane. Heavy, slow, on climbout, with an engine failure? Vmc.
Control cables on the C-130 are almost certainly routed in multiple directions. The chances of an engine failure causing a complete loss of flight controls is probably nil.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: BowHTR on May 11, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
I see your point but A, why would media edit that out? Have you ever seen a bird fly that fast? It still dissapears before the barn.. it dissapears at the hill level. The other film compared it to the other bird. That thing is moving at Super Sonic speed. That vid also has 6 down votes to 6. This leads me to believe that it might be faked. Even though you could make the same argument on mine, it still has 24 likes and 0 dislikes. So IDK.
All I'm saying is that I think advanced technology blew this plane up after the crash to destroy comms and evidence. Have you ever seen an explosion that big from a plane crash?
Here is the original link where I found the video.
I agree 100% that it is hauling tail to be a bird. If you watch it slowly, a few times from the 19 to 21 second marks, it appears to go in front of the building. In the video you posted it is pretty blurry to tell if its a shadow or what it may be. Either way, very interesting all the view points that you can find floating around.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 11, 2018, 09:52:03 PM
The C-130 lost an engine on takeoff. That in itself doesn't pose a problem, but it probably severed the control cables. The plane does not appear to be stalled, it simply doesn't have any control. Tragic loss of life. I'm not sure if military aircraft carry flight data recorders (especially this one), but I'd be interested in seeing what control inputs were being applied when the plane rolled left. I suspect right aileron and rudder.
Engine loss, possible. Severed control cables highly unlikely. Even if severed on the left side, it would have right side aileron.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 11, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
The C-130 lost an engine on takeoff. That in itself doesn't pose a problem, but it probably severed the control cables. The plane does not appear to be stalled, it simply doesn't have any control. Tragic loss of life. I'm not sure if military aircraft carry flight data recorders (especially this one), but I'd be interested in seeing what control inputs were being applied when the plane rolled left. I suspect right aileron and rudder.
They look like they pull back on the controls and snap roll the airplane. Heavy, slow, on climbout, with an engine failure? Vmc.
Control cables on the C-130 are almost certainly routed in multiple directions. The chances of an engine failure causing a complete loss of flight controls is probably nil.
I agree 100% that it is hauling tail to be a bird. If you watch it slowly, a few times from the 19 to 21 second marks, it appears to go in front of the building. In the video you posted it is pretty blurry to tell if its a shadow or what it may be. Either way, very interesting all the view points that you can find floating around.
Why don't y'all just wait for the NTSB report to come out, unless you just like mental masturbation that much.... :old:
Will they even investigate this? Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2018, 10:41:17 AM
Will they even investigate this? Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.
How are they even going to know? The drone blew up all the evidence and comms. The only thing they will have is the radio to the tower. I'm sure it was a speedy clean up just like Vegas.
We have every right to be "tin foil" hatters. 5 military aircraft and pilots killed the week before. (Statistically impossible). The botched Vegas F-ery. There's a lot of crap going on. I don't know why we should be called "tin foil hatters" when you know something isn't right. The truth is not a conspiracy.
ps. Vraciu - Thanks for vulching me dead stop on the runnaway landing with 6 kills in the FSO.... Ya dick. Ruined my great night.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 11:33:00 AM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 12, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC. Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.
Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video. I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust. Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2018, 11:58:15 AM
1) I had no idea it was you. Had the roles been reversed I'm sure you would have had zero qualms blasting me into oblivion.
2) My job is SEAD. I had bombers in the air that were trying to get home safely and I wasn't letting anyone rearm if I could help it.
3) I don't quite recall killing anyone on the ground. I probably hit you while airborne and someone else finished the job.
4) We were outnumbered at least 2:1 in that sector with a 262 lurking. We had to make sure the odds were knocked down by any means necessary.
5) I am now an Ace in FSO. :banana:
:salute :cheers:
Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well. I don't need to play that kind of game.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 12, 2018, 11:59:20 AM
Will they even investigate this? Used to be they would only investigate DoD/Border Patrol/Customs/et al. by request of the agency unless a civilian aircraft was involved.
It’s an Air Force (ANG) asset. There will be an accident investigation team formed and signed.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 12:00:01 PM
Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well. I don't need to play that kind of game.
I didn't get a kill on that one.
And there were about seven other guys around. Maybe you didn't see them but I sure did.
All is fair in love and war. We were protecting our sheep. We are sheepdogs. Nothing personal.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 12:01:17 PM
It’s an Air Force (ANG) asset. There will be an accident investigation team formed and signed.
I mean, will the NTSB even bother unless specifically requested to help? It's an ANG asset so any investigation would be in-house by the Air Force/ANG. That's my understanding.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 12, 2018, 12:06:46 PM
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC. Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.
Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video. I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust. Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.
Colombo, do you have any 130 time? Curious about systems, etc. Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available. The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario. Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 12, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
Colombo, do you have any 130 time? Curious about systems, etc. Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available. The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario. Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.
I wish I had some Herc time. :)
My take on the video is they were nose low with a high sink rate which means to me they were very slow.
The uncontrolled roll at the end looks to me like a classic spin entry. It looks like they were in a slight left turn, I think they had a power loss or prop problem on the left side and unfortunately they failed to do the basic task of flying the airplane.
I can't find anything online but I have a memory of someone doing a single-engine touch and go with a Herc many years ago to prove it could be done.
The Herc is one heck of an airplane. As a young paratrooper I was impressed with how sharply it could accelerate and decelerate inflight, sometimes so much that it would cause troops to fall to the deck as we waited to jump. We would come in Nap of Earth and a couple of minutes out they would climb steeply to our drop altitude of 800-1000', level off and slow quickly to our drop speed of about 115 knots IAS meanwhile we're standing up, with 100-200 pounds of gear strapped to us and hanging on so we don't fall down (if you did you were pretty much like the turtle on it's back!). Fun times. :x
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 12:42:13 PM
Colombo, do you have any 130 time? Curious about systems, etc. Being pretty much empty, except for fuel and pax, it would seem there would be excess power available. The video seems to indicate the classic low altitude, stall, spin scenario. Will be interesting to hear what caused the uncontrollable roll.
That's what I think. There is clearly a three-quarter turn spin-related auto-rotation right before impact.
Ugly.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 12, 2018, 01:10:14 PM
Can’t even imagine how horrific it must have been for those on board.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: 1stpar3 on May 12, 2018, 03:51:38 PM
Ok,this is some of same footage used TO show a possible second object striking the plane.....Obvious that this is a bird :rolleyes: https://youtu.be/52-f2Wnh9WY Its amazing what folk can do with editing
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 12, 2018, 04:27:03 PM
So the footage from another camera on the lot shows no missing frames, no magic missile or drone destroying the wreckage, no conspiracy, no coverup. It is amazing what the tinfoil hat crowd believes and puts together in order to push their skewed conspiracy agenda
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 12, 2018, 04:28:01 PM
That is amazing eyesight to see a bird at that distance.
Dumb female commentator > a jet she says. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 12, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
That is amazing eyesight to see a bird at that distance.
Dumb female commentator > a jet she says. :rolleyes:
Well early on the turbo props were referred to as "jet props"....and they are turbine engines which a "jet" engine is also. I notice Robin has had her lip inflated.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: pembquist on May 12, 2018, 06:00:18 PM
So you trust a knowingly cut framed shaking on purpose HLN media production over an analysis done by an actual recording of the situation, which has been posted before. I guess that explains whats wrong with half our society these days....
I don't trust the "analysis" by some anonymous youtube poster with creepy clown intro's. If I am understanding you correctly what I am supposedly seeing is the product of a conspiracy to destroy an airplane and cover it up with some kind of missile which causes the evidence to be destroyed after the crash. The conspiracy also involves "the media" who rather than just not showing security camera footage instead manipulate the security camera footage so that it is misleading. However these devious forces that can do all this are also just not very competent so they failed to do a good job on the video.
Is this what you believe?
Do you really think being skeptical of this kind of youube video is what is wrong with 1/2 of our society? I think it is a problem if people are NOT skeptical of this kind of youtube video.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 12, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Ok,this is some of same footage used TO show a possible second object striking the plane.....Obvious that this is a bird :rolleyes: https://youtu.be/52-f2Wnh9WY Its amazing what folk can do with editing
This is literally the same footage the guy used from HLN and you can clearly see the cut frames from the same camera angle. 76 cut frames. It's proven. It's not a bird. Birds don't fly that fast. Birds don't disappear.
So the footage from another camera on the lot shows no missing frames, no magic missile or drone destroying the wreckage, no conspiracy, no coverup. It is amazing what the tinfoil hat crowd believes and puts together in order to push their skewed conspiracy agenda
I don't trust the "analysis" by some anonymous youtube poster with creepy clown intro's. If I am understanding you correctly what I am supposedly seeing is the product of a conspiracy to destroy an airplane and cover it up with some kind of missile which causes the evidence to be destroyed after the crash. The conspiracy also involves "the media" who rather than just not showing security camera footage instead manipulate the security camera footage so that it is misleading. However these devious forces that can do all this are also just not very competent so they failed to do a good job on the video.
Is this what you believe?
Do you really think being skeptical of this kind of youube video is what is wrong with 1/2 of our society? I think it is a problem if people are NOT skeptical of this kind of youtube video.
Yes I do. There's clear evidence that MsM tampered with the video. Just because it's "anonomous" doesn't make it fake. This is yet another CIA trick. "Only believe our MSM". Fools and delusions only believing large fascist MSM while simultaneously believing that those same corps are evil. I just don't get it. There's a lot you can learn from anonymous news sources.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: icepac on May 12, 2018, 07:02:35 PM
You can stall/spin a plane in any attitude.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 12, 2018, 07:02:46 PM
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC. Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.
Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video. I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust. Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.
Why would they even roll the plane with this kind of risk? Too me it seems like sabatoge. There's been a lot of computer failures that have been causing crashes also. If all of the controls failed in the aircraft, this is how a plane would fall given it's speed, correct? That's just what it looks like to me.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 12, 2018, 07:39:11 PM
Why would they even roll the plane with this kind of risk? Too me it seems like sabatoge. There's been a lot of computer failures that have been causing crashes also. If all of the controls failed in the aircraft, this is how a plane would fall given it's speed, correct? That's just what it looks like to me.
They didn't roll the airplane, physics rolled the airplane.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: scott66 on May 12, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
Not sure how deep down this rabbit hole I'm willing to go on here but this isn't the first time us"Tin foil hat types"have been correct in matters similar to this.. While I don't consider myself to be a conspiracy activist I don't drink the our government never lies to us Kool-Aid.. Including media
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
Why don't y'all just wait for the NTSB report to come out, unless you just like mental masturbation that much.... :old:
Because Violator will just excuse away the NTSB report as nothing more than that department being part of the "conspiracy" he's constructed in his head. Quite frankly, he'll ignore any logical reason why the plane went down as it doesn't fit the tin foil narrative he's constructed in his mind.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 12, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
Why would they even roll the plane with this kind of risk? Too me it seems like sabatoge. There's been a lot of computer failures that have been causing crashes also. If all of the controls failed in the aircraft, this is how a plane would fall given it's speed, correct? That's just what it looks like to me.
Why would anyone "sabotage" a 60 year old "Hurricane Hunter" C-130 that was on it's way to being decommissioned after maintenance repairs were done on it in Savannah? Did you know that the PR ANG has the oldest air fleet of any state's ANG units? Did you know that there are serious issues with PR ANG aircraft maintenance, where a lot of their planes are not flyable do to maintenance issues and lack of spare parts?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DaveBB on May 12, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I read somewhere else that they had two engines out and had communicated that to ATC. Not sure if true, would seem we would have seen that in the media now.
Two engines out would certainly explain what is seen in the video. I wondered about a prop issue -- runaway or uncommanded reverse thrust. Something got them slow and caused them to lose control.
If that's the case, then it is entirely plausible. In the mid-90s we lost a C-130 from the local ANG that was practicing 2-engined flight. I worked with a crew chief who helped with the crash recovery efforts who told me about the incident. It probably boils down to the C-130 not having enough rudder authority to control flight with 2 engines out on the same side, or having a very high minimum airspeed for 2-engined flight. Either way, this isn't the first time it's happened.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 10:32:03 PM
Why would anyone "sabotage" a 60 year old "Hurricane Hunter" C-130 that was on it's way to being decommissioned after maintenance repairs were done on it in Savannah? Did you know that the PR ANG has the oldest air fleet of any state's ANG units? Did you know that there are serious issues with PR ANG aircraft maintenance, where a lot of their planes are not flyable do to maintenance issues and lack of spare parts?
It was only thirty years old, maybe forty, last I read. Lots of active duty planes older than that I suspect.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 10:36:28 PM
If that's the case, then it is entirely plausible. In the mid-90s we lost a C-130 from the local ANG that was practicing 2-engined flight. I worked with a crew chief who helped with the crash recovery efforts who told me about the incident. It probably boils down to the C-130 not having enough rudder authority to control flight with 2 engines out on the same side, or having a very high minimum airspeed for 2-engined flight. Either way, this isn't the first time it's happened.
The airplane has to be certified to fly in that condition. If you get below the manufacturer’s designated Vmc speed you’ll lose the ability to maintain heading. Lots of solutions to that situation that don’t involve loss of control.
Vmc certification criteria:
“Bed Wetting Commercial Pilots Go Get 150 Pizzas From Control Tower Dudes” - I will never forget this mnemonic until the day I die.
Transport category turboprops have to be able to climb out like that with certain gross and net climb gradients, I would guess, and I have no doubt the C-130 can as well, especially since it was sold to the civilian market as the L-100.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 12, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
It was only thirty years old, maybe forty, last I read. Lots of active duty planes older than that I suspect.
Just looked it up, it was a 53 year old aircraft. First flight was 1965, and according to the PR ANG themselves, they operate the oldest aircraft of any state's ANG.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: FESS67 on May 12, 2018, 11:17:27 PM
Probably a flakker parked next to a tiny bush in the middle of an otherwise open field with engine off. C130 never stood a chance and no way a humble cctv camera would be able to see it!!!
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
Just looked it up, it was a 53 year old aircraft. First flight was 1965, and according to the PR ANG themselves, they operate the oldest aircraft of any state's ANG.
There you go. Not-sixty.
I am betting there are some ANG KC-135s that are older than that.
I'm not buying the theme. Maybe they have the oldest Herks but that's as far as I will go on face value. Small sample size, too. Five? Six planes? Tulsa, ANG’s F-16s have it worse than anything the PRANG has to deal with.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DaveBB on May 12, 2018, 11:31:14 PM
The airplane has to be certified to fly in that condition. If you get below the manufacturer’s designated Vmc speed you’ll lose the ability to maintain heading. Lots of solutions to that situation that don’t involve loss of control.
Vmc certification criteria:
“Bed Wetting Commercial Pilots Go Get 150 Pizzas From Control Tower Dudes” - I will never forget this mnemonic until the day I die.
Transport category turboprops have to be able to climb out like that with certain gross and net climb gradients, I would guess, and I have no doubt the C-130 can as well, especially since it was sold to the civilian market as the L-100.
Apparently it's not that easy or the Thoroughbred Express wouldn't have lost one in the 90s and this C-130 wouldn't have crashed.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 12, 2018, 11:36:21 PM
Apparently it's not that easy or the Thoroughbred Express wouldn't have lost one in the 90s and this C-130 wouldn't have crashed.
So because someone doesn't fly the airplane right that makes it difficult?
It's easy if you do it properly. There are millions of hours on this fleet with very few problems. Screw it up and they'll bite you same as any aircraft.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Oldman731 on May 13, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
Ah. That tricky CIA again. Good to see there's a citizen who still credits the agency with mystical powers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q-NL3R8wm0
- oldman
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Gman on May 13, 2018, 12:50:36 AM
IMO there is tech out there which we've been lied to about for a long time, but in a case like this 130 crash, where life has been lost, and the only "proof" so far of anything even arguably being hidden from the public - some cut footage or whatever, of which I can't see or tell there being anything solid showing this - it's just not right, especially before any official crash investigation, which should be the starting place of any "investigation" not the mid point.
The problem I find with jump to the gun deals like this in the OP is that it discredits incidents with actual evidence. Such as the 50 witnesses at O'Hare in 2006, many of whom were military, former military, airline pilots, etc, who saw a craft hovering, defying physics in broad daylight at close range there. Or the recent sensor pod vid from a Super Hornet showing a craft moving at 120knts with no exhaust or rotor, and according to the pilots of both fighters present and the radar ops on the Aegis ship, moving and accel/deccel ing at impossible speeds.
Or the following very recent incidents involving many aircrew and military pilots (below)- again, jumping in with both feet with this 130 crash isn't fair to the families/friends of those killed, nor to those involved in incidents with actual evidence of something being up. Just my opinion.
This is literally the same footage the guy used from HLN and you can clearly see the cut frames from the same camera angle. 76 cut frames. It's proven. It's not a bird. Birds don't fly that fast. Birds don't disappear.
False... Stop being a Meadwad.
Yes I do. There's clear evidence that MsM tampered with the video. Just because it's "anonomous" doesn't make it fake. This is yet another CIA trick. "Only believe our MSM". Fools and delusions only believing large fascist MSM while simultaneously believing that those same corps are evil. I just don't get it. There's a lot you can learn from anonymous news sources.
Reason I posted that video...It was the Video used in the comparison between the one with missing frames NOT the one that showed OBVIOUS EDITING. Unless I just screwed the pooch. Wouldnt be the first time,just dont think thats what I did. The one missing frames was the other camera,the one with the shaking. The one I posted showed A BIRD. Then again,I wasnt there,and I didnt see a NON edited video...non of us did. Is interesting though...i am on the fence :noid
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 13, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Another observation from the video. Assuming this was after takeoff, there’s very little exhaust smoke and the aircraft appears to be in a gradual descent at relatively slow speed. All the 130s I’ve ever seen on climb out after takeoff have a visible trail of exhaust smoke. That could indicate it was at reduced power setting for some reason. Obviously not a normal set of circumstances during a 130 climb out.
Has anyone seen or heard ATC/aircraft radio transmissions before the crash?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 13, 2018, 10:44:19 AM
Why would anyone "sabotage" a 60 year old "Hurricane Hunter" C-130 that was on it's way to being decommissioned after maintenance repairs were done on it in Savannah? Did you know that the PR ANG has the oldest air fleet of any state's ANG units? Did you know that there are serious issues with PR ANG aircraft maintenance, where a lot of their planes are not flyable do to maintenance issues and lack of spare parts?
Again, then why would they even risk take off?
Why would it be sabatoged? That's the question. If the plane just went thru maintenance repairs.. how could the plane fail so quickly right after take off? Why wouldn't they just put it on a semi and ship it accross? What's the point of even flying it with that risk?
Because Violator will just excuse away the NTSB report as nothing more than that department being part of the "conspiracy" he's constructed in his head. Quite frankly, he'll ignore any logical reason why the plane went down as it doesn't fit the tin foil narrative he's constructed in his mind.
That's simply not true. How about the reports of the last 5 military aircraft that crashed the week before?
IMO there is tech out there which we've been lied to about for a long time, but in a case like this 130 crash, where life has been lost, and the only "proof" so far of anything even arguably being hidden from the public - some cut footage or whatever, of which I can't see or tell there being anything solid showing this - it's just not right, especially before any official crash investigation, which should be the starting place of any "investigation" not the mid point.
The problem I find with jump to the gun deals like this in the OP is that it discredits incidents with actual evidence. Such as the 50 witnesses at O'Hare in 2006, many of whom were military, former military, airline pilots, etc, who saw a craft hovering, defying physics in broad daylight at close range there. Or the recent sensor pod vid from a Super Hornet showing a craft moving at 120knts with no exhaust or rotor, and according to the pilots of both fighters present and the radar ops on the Aegis ship, moving and accel/deccel ing at impossible speeds.
Or the following very recent incidents involving many aircrew and military pilots (below)- again, jumping in with both feet with this 130 crash isn't fair to the families/friends of those killed, nor to those involved in incidents with actual evidence of something being up. Just my opinion.
There is technology and they are hiding it from us. I'm not discrediting anything. I want answers. Look up how many airman have lost their lives in the last 2 months. This is not a joke.
Asked me. Why should I should I take their reports with a grain of salt? Well, because they don't want you to know. They don't want people in a panic if they find out some satalite is able to down the systems of a particular aircraft. Even Q has elluded to the facts of all of these downed military aircraft being extremely very rare statistically.
Just look at the Vegas shooting cover-up. Look at the evidence cover up, the sweet police cam footage showed removed items in the room compared to the News photos. Witnesses of the event have been getting killed off. This is no joke.
The Douglass school shooting. The sweet kids house that he stayed at. The guy who owned it was a member of the school board and also military Intelligence. Not a single witness account adds up. Hogg is a fraud. Hogg rehearsed his lines before the initial interview. It's all a set up to take your rights.
Do you not see what is going on? Why should I trust the MSM? They hide news. They cut frames. They cover up for the MIC. Ill take the report as a grain of salt. I'm tired of it. We are in the days of mass media manipulation and cover ups and I'm trying to prove it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
My truly insane theory is that the guy walking in front of the truck was just an innocent bystander and possible employee of the trucking business who didn't want to end up on the news/internet and spend the rest of his life being stalked by truthers. At first glance it's weird, but the plane has already impacted at that point so they aren't depriving you of any evidence.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 13, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
My truly insane theory is that the guy walking in front of the truck was just an innocent bystander and possible employee of the trucking business who didn't want to end up on the news/internet and spend the rest of his life being stalked by truthers. At first glance it's weird, but the plane has already impacted at that point so they aren't depriving you of any evidence.
It's no guy walking in front of the truck. It's the guys elbow that pops put of the window of the semi. Re watch my original video. In it's entirety.
1. Why did HLN remove 76 frames so it appears like it blew up instantly after the crash. 2. Why did the plane take 5-6 seconds or more to blow up in the other films. 3. Why does it only blow up after the black drone things zooms from the sky? 4. Why was the explosion so big? Has anyone ever seen an explosion this large from a plane, 5-10 seconds after it crashes?
In the original video where you can see the black thing. The original one with sounds (not the one I posted). One of the guys even asked if it was 2 planes. Then the guy says, nah it was only one... So they noticed the black thing too. In that original footage. It just looks way to fast to be a bird to me.
Another observation from the video. Assuming this was after takeoff, there’s very little exhaust smoke and the aircraft appears to be in a gradual descent at relatively slow speed. All the 130s I’ve ever seen on climb out after takeoff have a visible trail of exhaust smoke. That could indicate it was at reduced power setting for some reason. Obviously not a normal set of circumstances during a 130 climb out.
Has anyone seen or heard ATC/aircraft radio transmissions before the crash?
And this is the 4th question. Why weren't they at full power? Why is there no attempt at correcting the plane from falling?
This is just bizzare to me, that's why I'm asking yall who have seen and been around planes and this kind of stuff before.
Here is the very original video that the guy used in the film I posted. https://youtu.be/GQeVoXU3ZI8
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Ciaphas on May 13, 2018, 11:19:00 AM
Since this is a class A mishap, it will be investigated by the Air Force. Right now every mechanic, crew chief, backshop (hydro, electrics, avionics, AFE etc...) and POL troop that touched that aircraft are masters of puckering.
They will figure it out and a report will be released. They will be truthful but they will not drag the crew members names through the mud should they find it to be pilot/crew error.
I’ve Been through way to many of these... .
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Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 13, 2018, 11:35:07 AM
And this is the 4th question. Why weren't they at full power? Why is there no attempt at correcting the plane from falling?
This is just bizzare to me, that's why I'm asking yall who have seen and been around planes and this kind of stuff before.
Here is the very original video that the guy used in the film I posted. https://youtu.be/GQeVoXU3ZI8
Just a thought. IF, they had an engine failure and/or prop issue or both, or any number of possibilities that was causing a great deal of drag and resulting yaw force while at climb power, it might be they reduced power to get the aircraft under control and started working the emergency. It’s conceivable that there were multiple systems malfunctions going on causing a lot of distraction and delay in getting the aircraft under control.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 13, 2018, 11:40:38 AM
It's no guy walking in front of the truck. It's the guys elbow that pops put of the window of the semi. Re watch my original video. In it's entirety.
1. Why did HLN remove 76 frames so it appears like it blew up instantly after the crash. 2. Why did the plane take 5-6 seconds or more to blow up in the other films. 3. Why does it only blow up after the black drone things zooms from the sky? 4. Why was the explosion so big? Has anyone ever seen an explosion this large from a plane, 5-10 seconds after it crashes?
In the original video where you can see the black thing. The original one with sounds (not the one I posted). One of the guys even asked if it was 2 planes. Then the guy says, nah it was only one... So they noticed the black thing too. In that original footage. It just looks way to fast to be a bird to me.
And this is the 4th question. Why weren't they at full power? Why is there no attempt at correcting the plane from falling?
This is just bizzare to me, that's why I'm asking yall who have seen and been around planes and this kind of stuff before.
Here is the very original video that the guy used in the film I posted. https://youtu.be/GQeVoXU3ZI8
The reason it took so long for it to explode is simply that it didnt took so long, it exploded on impact, but the terrain between the impact site and the camera obscures it so you only see the smoke plume when it has risen high enough to be visible over the terrain. Just because you dont understand how things happen it doesnt mean that there are something suspicious going on. What you see in the video is a C-130 stalling and then enter a spin and crash, an event that have killed far to many aircrews. It is not possible to tell why this happened as the entire event prior to the stall isnt filmed. But nothing in the film suggest there have been any foul play or something like that.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 13, 2018, 11:47:12 AM
Another observation from the video. Assuming this was after takeoff, there’s very little exhaust smoke and the aircraft appears to be in a gradual descent at relatively slow speed. All the 130s I’ve ever seen on climb out after takeoff have a visible trail of exhaust smoke. That could indicate it was at reduced power setting for some reason. Obviously not a normal set of circumstances during a 130 climb out.
Has anyone seen or heard ATC/aircraft radio transmissions before the crash?
Yep. They’re almost as smoky as the pre-“smokeless” F-4s were.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 13, 2018, 11:53:56 AM
Yep. They’re almost as smoky as the pre-“smokeless” F-4s were.
When the Air Force started installing smokeless engines, it was common to see one of our Rhinos coming up intitial with one smoking and one not. Compared to earlier days it looked like one engine was shut down because there was virtually no exhaust smoke visible.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 11:58:59 AM
It's no guy walking in front of the truck. It's the guys elbow that pops put of the window of the semi. Re watch my original video. In it's entirety.
1. Why did HLN remove 76 frames so it appears like it blew up instantly after the crash. 2. Why did the plane take 5-6 seconds or more to blow up in the other films. 3. Why does it only blow up after the black drone things zooms from the sky? 4. Why was the explosion so big? Has anyone ever seen an explosion this large from a plane, 5-10 seconds after it crashes?
And this is the 4th question. Why weren't they at full power? Why is there no attempt at correcting the plane from falling?
Here is the very original video that the guy used in the film I posted. https://youtu.be/GQeVoXU3ZI8
Possibly high voltage power lines, or an heirloom crib with lead paint.
First off, that is not "The original video". That's some mongoloid recording a video of his TV. I was checking youtube as soon as the news broke, here is the "original video" in all it's HD glory. And just an FYI if you click on the settings button you can slow it down to quarter speed.
Watch it full screen at .25 speed. I'm assuming what you call "the black drone thing", is at 39 seconds, and it's clearly a bird in close proximity to the camera. In the second portion, you can plainly see the window on the white truck (the one where the "elbow pops up" is rolled up, you can also plainly see a man walking across the lot towards the camera, he goes out of view in front of the truck, then you can see him thru the windshield and just as he's about to emerge in full view the video is cut. Other than the part where the guy is cut from the video all the time stamps match up. And it even gives the name of the company who provided the video so maybe you should ask them.
Notice how there is a hill there on the horizon? When we lose sight of the plane is not going to be exactly the moment of impact.
Why was the explosion so big? Seriously? Lets see, they just took off from Georgia on a flight to Arizona. Not sure if you're aware but that plane has four big thirsty engines that run on very flammable dinosaur bones.
There is another video which shows the aircraft is slow and appearing to yaw to the left. Seems a good bet something went terribly wrong leading up to a stall. They reportedly just had maintenance done, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it all comes back to that.
Now here's something for you to ponder. If the Illuminati or whomever is capable of these gigantic and intricate conspiracies with unlimited funds and technology why would they cut those frames? It's a stationary camera so it would be easy enough to edit out anything you don't want seen. Cutting the frames is obvious, especially since they didn't bother to crop out the time stamp which plainly shows the edit.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 13, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
When the Air Force started installing smokeless engines, it was common to see one of our Rhinos coming up intitial with one smoking and one not. Compared to earlier days it looked like one engine was shut down because there was virtually no exhaust smoke visible.
:rofl Nice.
I remember reading John Trotti’s “Phantom Over Vietnam” as a kid. He said that in the combat area they’d select min burner to reduce smoke and pop the speed brakes to keep the speed down. What a waste of gas.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 13, 2018, 12:14:25 PM
I remember reading John Trotti’s “Phantom Over Vietnam” as a kid. He said that in the combat area they’d select min burner to reduce smoke and pop the speed brakes to keep the speed down. What a waste of gas.
On a clear day, a Phantom could be seen 60 or more miles away with a sky backdrop. A common tactic during air to air intercepts was to start the initial run at an opponent in ful MIL (full smoke and cinders) so they could see us coming. Then, go idle, break laterally, dive down so the opponent had to find us in the ground clutter, and the go to full AB and let the Rhino charge without much visible exhaust smoke.
So, after that short side bar, back to the C-130. Every accident has a chain of events that lead up to the end. So very tragic this crew was unable to break the chain and recover.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Gman on May 13, 2018, 01:08:21 PM
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First off, that is not "The original video". That's some mongoloid recording a video of his TV. I was checking youtube as soon as the news broke, here is the "original video" in all it's HD glory. And just an FYI if you click on the settings button you can slow it down to quarter speed.
Violator, this is exactly what I meant, exactly, regarding jumping in before more facts and information are determined by investigators that can't really "fake" something, vis a vis what Claphas is referring too. I'm in agreement, something is definitely up out there, but in cases like this, so shortly after prior to anything reliable coming out (ie TV recorded videos of other videos), IMO jumping in early with theories about whatever, is something to be avoided.
Again, I'm not attacking you or discrediting your overall beliefs, but, in cases like this where some pinhead has put out videos and opinions which aren't based in fact - THAT discredits actual incidents that have happened. What I regard as an actual incident is one that has video or sworn statements from reliable observers, military/airline/etc pilots and others in trained positions, which have no reason to lie, statements that are difficult to discredit. Everything about the OP and this incident do not fall into that category, at all IMO.
Puma44 - interesting about the Phantom engines, Mark Berent also wrote in his books about the smoke F4 engines put out in Vietnam while he/his characters flew then, and after he met the Russian ambassador while he was doing similar work, said that the Russians thought the US was crazy for putting a fighter in the air which smoked so much. This is all 2nd hand -3rd hand? -from his interviews and writing, and only a single source, but I've always wondered how much of a problem that F4 engine smoke really was especially in combat zones, and when/what the USAF/USN/ETC did about it? My question is what year did the F4 start getting the smokeless (less smoke?) engines? Sorry to drag this O/T, but since others are asking stuff... (interesting info Vraciu, going to read that book myself now).
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 13, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
On a clear day, a Phantom could be seen 60 or more miles away with a sky backdrop. A common tactic during air to air intercepts was to start the initial run at an opponent in ful MIL (full smoke and cinders) so they could see us coming. Then, go idle, break laterally, dive down so the opponent had to find us in the ground clutter, and the go to full AB and let the Rhino charge without much visible exhaust smoke.
So, after that short side bar, back to the C-130. Every accident has a chain of events that lead up to the end. So very tragic this crew was unable to break the chain and recover.
Good stuff. :aok :aok :aok
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 13, 2018, 01:36:03 PM
Puma44 - interesting about the Phantom engines, Mark Berent also wrote in his books about the smoke F4 engines put out in Vietnam while he/his characters flew then, and after he met the Russian ambassador while he was doing similar work, said that the Russians thought the US was crazy for putting a fighter in the air which smoked so much. This is all 2nd hand -3rd hand? -from his interviews and writing, and only a single source, but I've always wondered how much of a problem that F4 engine smoke really was especially in combat zones, and when/what the USAF/USN/ETC did about it? My question is what year did the F4 start getting the smokeless (less smoke?) engines? Sorry to drag this O/T, but since others are asking stuff... (interesting info Vraciu, going to read that book myself now).
That's the pot calling the kettle black, too. Russian engines are certainly dirty enough themselves--or were.
FOV is a good book from the Marine side of the war. I'd also HIGHLY recommend "PALACE COBRA" by Ed Rasimus. He flew 105s ("When Thunder Rolled") then came back in F-4s. It's an interesting read, especially how he compares the two airplanes. I couldn't put it down.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 13, 2018, 01:53:06 PM
Violator, this is exactly what I meant, exactly, regarding jumping in before more facts and information are determined by investigators that can't really "fake" something, vis a vis what Claphas is referring too. I'm in agreement, something is definitely up out there, but in cases like this, so shortly after prior to anything reliable coming out (ie TV recorded videos of other videos), IMO jumping in early with theories about whatever, is something to be avoided.
Again, I'm not attacking you or discrediting your overall beliefs, but, in cases like this where some pinhead has put out videos and opinions which aren't based in fact - THAT discredits actual incidents that have happened. What I regard as an actual incident is one that has video or sworn statements from reliable observers, military/airline/etc pilots and others in trained positions, which have no reason to lie, statements that are difficult to discredit. Everything about the OP and this incident do not fall into that category, at all IMO.
Puma44 - interesting about the Phantom engines, Mark Berent also wrote in his books about the smoke F4 engines put out in Vietnam while he/his characters flew then, and after he met the Russian ambassador while he was doing similar work, said that the Russians thought the US was crazy for putting a fighter in the air which smoked so much. This is all 2nd hand -3rd hand? -from his interviews and writing, and only a single source, but I've always wondered how much of a problem that F4 engine smoke really was especially in combat zones, and when/what the USAF/USN/ETC did about it? My question is what year did the F4 start getting the smokeless (less smoke?) engines? Sorry to drag this O/T, but since others are asking stuff... (interesting info Vraciu, going to read that book myself now).
He posted an 11 alive MSM version that is the same as the video being debunked in my original post. Look at the Elbow in the picture. Look the time that explosion happened compared to the other video. Why would they do this? The shaking camera is also an effect.
There is a difference in time between the first video they showed explosion, compared to the second time they showed the video from the other angle. The second angle shows a manipulation in the film.
The first crash they show in the 11 alive is the correct version. The second at 3:40 is the doctored video that even shows a speed up in time. Why would they cut it out and why would they cut out the craft/bird in the second video if it was only a bird?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 13, 2018, 01:58:39 PM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 02:10:05 PM
Dude it's not an elbow, it's a guy walking in front of the truck. You're either being purposely disingenuous or you're blind. Off I go to do some screen capping I guess.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 13, 2018, 02:23:02 PM
Dude it's not an elbow, it's a guy walking in front of the truck. You're either being purposely disingenuous or you're blind. Off I go to do some screen capping I guess.
The first crash they show in the 11 alive is the correct version. The second at 3:40 is the doctored video that even shows a speed up in time. Why would they cut it out and why would they cut out the craft/bird in the second video if it was only a bird?
Okay, so looking at it. I do see that it possibly Is a person. So why then does he dissapear?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Mister Fork on May 13, 2018, 03:11:57 PM
I think its edited for effect as there was a second or two before the explosion and the news team decided to just cut out the pause for dramatic crash effect. Crappy, but it's how the news industry works.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 03:17:44 PM
Inside the red circle is a bipedal humanoid in dark attire. Take note of the view through the windows on the white truck, steering wheel and ground on the far side is visible.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2vcvlfn.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ecdf7m.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/91l8a1.jpg)
He's about to disappear from view, obscured by the truck.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2eb4uaf.jpg)
Here he is in front of the truck visible through the windows.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/f2o407.jpg)
A - The dude is starting to clear the truck. B - The A pillar on the truck, nothing is blocking it, so what you see has to be on the far side of the truck.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/bg60wn.jpg)
Timestamp = 4:26:40 Plane = About to be out of view
(http://i64.tinypic.com/14tso6u.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2qm2c13.jpg)
Timestamp = 4:26:45 Fireball just starting to emerge from behind the hill.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ptymio.jpg)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/oksv8x.jpg)
No one is claiming there hasn't been a couple seconds removed from the one camera view as there clearly has been. It's painfully obvious to anyone gifted with sight, which would make it a laughably bad attempt at some sort of a cover up. Other than that everything in the two clips sync up. It would be easy for someone with the right gear and know how to just make that dude and anything else they wanted to hide disappear. But even I can hack out a couple seconds of video with WMM. I've given you my theory on why they chose to cut that little bit out. If that's not reasonable you could always contact the trucking company whose cameras the videos are from and ask them.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 13, 2018, 03:31:21 PM
4. Why was the explosion so big? Has anyone ever seen an explosion this large from a plane, 5-10 seconds after it crashes?
Yes. A-C17 crash just after takeoff (the one at Elmendorf AFB). A Piper Cub that spun in just after take off.
What's with the "5-10 seconds after it crashes"? When do you think it's going to burn? The next day? Silly statement. The fire happens because of spilled fuel coming in contact with hot components or other ignition sources at the time of the crash.
FYI any crash with a large amount of jet fuel is going to have a big fire with lots of dense black smoke.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vulcan on May 13, 2018, 03:39:08 PM
This reminds me of one time watching that UFO Hunters rubbish. Someone was complaining about the hovering lights taking off and landing at a nearby airport (yes they were in line with the landing approach). The whole episode was based on videos of what were clearly aircraft on landing approach stacks. But ohhhhhhhhhhh no... they went full derp on it being a secret US military UFO thing.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 03:44:24 PM
FYI any crash with a large amount of jet fuel is going to have a big fire with lots of dense black smoke.
Case in point the 747 Bagram crash on takeoff due to a load shifting. Take notice of how the fireball behaves as it takes a bit for the heat to start driving it up. It's not an instantaneous geyser of fire to the heavens which when coupled with a hill blocking your view could take some time to become visible.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 13, 2018, 04:04:29 PM
BTW: Pretty much all vids showed on the news are edited, there are only a limited amount of time in a news show so they have to cut the vids.. The plane crashed over a populated area in daylight, and there are still no reports of anything hitting or falling off the plane before the crash, why? (rhetoric question)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 13, 2018, 04:54:54 PM
I appreciate yalls comments and analysis. I'm still suspicious about how it stalled and crash and what the black object is. Its just off to me that it also dissapears over the hill, in the same exact spot, moving fast, explosion after the fact. The fire could be reasonable given the gas. We can put it to rest and see what the official report says. I just wanted to question the events and film manipulation and to see what y'all thoughts were given your experiences with airplanes.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 13, 2018, 05:39:51 PM
what the black object is. Its just off to me that it also dissapears over the hill, in the same exact spot
But it doesn't disappear over the hill. Please don't make me do more screen shots. Full speed, full resolution, .25 speed. When it comes into frame hit pause then quickly double click the play button to move it forward just a tiny bit at a time and look closely. It's clearly flapping its wings. You can see it silhouetted against the light brown building, then the white box truck, then the ground as it curves in front of the red semi. It lands about 30 yards in front of the camera.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 13, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
Case in point the 747 Bagram crash on takeoff due to a load shifting. Take notice of how the fireball behaves as it takes a bit for the heat to start driving it up. It's not an instantaneous geyser of fire to the heavens which when coupled with a hill blocking your view could take some time to become visible.
That crash still gives me nightmares.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 13, 2018, 11:40:45 PM
Puma44 - interesting about the Phantom engines, Mark Berent also wrote in his books about the smoke F4 engines put out in Vietnam while he/his characters flew then, and after he met the Russian ambassador while he was doing similar work, said that the Russians thought the US was crazy for putting a fighter in the air which smoked so much. This is all 2nd hand -3rd hand? -from his interviews and writing, and only a single source, but I've always wondered how much of a problem that F4 engine smoke really was especially in combat zones, and when/what the USAF/USN/ETC did about it? My question is what year did the F4 start getting the smokeless (less smoke?) engines? Sorry to drag this O/T, but since others are asking stuff... (interesting info Vraciu, going to read that book myself now).
I’m guessing the 85-86 time frame. I was at Moody 84-87 and it was a year or so after I got there to the best of my memory. The smoker engines made it VERY easy to find a Phantom in almost any circumstance.
Going into AB would eliminate the smoke. It was common to select min AB at the beginning of an engagement to deny the opponent that early visual cue. Once VID was made the smoke trail was less of an issue as we entered the phone booth for a knife fight.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 14, 2018, 08:45:02 AM
CTake notice of how the fireball behaves as it takes a bit for the heat to start driving it up.
A big fuel fire is almost like a living being. As it heats up it pulls in more air which intensifies the fire which pulls more air in....
Kind of awesome to be standing on the edge of the fire pit with 1000 gallons of fuel burning especially if you and your buddy are going to step into the put each with a 1 inch line putting out plain water to fight the fire.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 14, 2018, 10:00:47 AM
I don't care. The Phantom is the most awesome jet that's ever flown and you SOBs that flew are the most awesomely lucky! :)
Expelling smoke and cinders into an opponent’s eyes was a favorite tactic. :D
Inspired by a Rhino four ship buzz job one day while walking to school in first grade, I was very fortunate to fly it a short 26 years later. The beast always turned heads when it showed up on initial. An indescribable experience strapping it on.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: hyzer on May 14, 2018, 10:44:32 AM
Back in the day, :old: , our barracks was located 1/4 mile from the runways at Ft Campbell Ky. Lots of traffic in and out. There was never any doubt when a Phantom showed up, that howl it made turning in to final was unmistakable.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 14, 2018, 10:54:50 AM
Inspired by a Rhino four ship buzz job one day while walking to school in first grade, I was very fortunate to fly it a short 26 years later.
Any chance you were stationed at Elmendorf AFB in the early 70s? I'm still looking for the Phantom guy that blew my hootch down with a low pass near Fort Yukon.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 11:02:06 AM
Any chance you were stationed at Elmendorf AFB in the early 70s? I'm still looking for the Phantom guy that blew my hootch down with a low pass near Fort Yukon.
:rofl
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: SilverZ06 on May 14, 2018, 11:14:29 AM
I think its edited for effect as there was a second or two before the explosion and the news team decided to just cut out the pause for dramatic crash effect. Crappy, but it's how the news industry works.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 11:25:19 AM
Any chance you were stationed at Elmendorf AFB in the early 70s? I'm still looking for the Phantom guy that blew my hootch down with a low pass near Fort Yukon.
No, it wasn’t me...... :rofl. I probably know him though.
But, there is a dude somewhere in Egypt near Cairo West AB that’s telling his grand children about an F-4E that dusted him off with a 480 kt pass. And we’re not going to talk about the flare that inadvertently bounced off the hood of his WWII two deuce and a half. :uhoh
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 11:55:38 AM
No, it wasn’t me...... :rofl. I probably know him though.
But, there is a dude somewhere in Egypt near Cairo West AB that’s telling his grand children about an F-4E that dusted him off with a 480 kt pass. And we’re not going to talk about the flare that inadvertently bounced off the hood of his WWII two deuce and a half. :uhoh
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
Oh there's a story here........................... :noid
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 14, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
I think its edited for effect as there was a second or two before the explosion and the news team decided to just cut out the pause for dramatic crash effect. Crappy, but it's how the news industry works.
It always good to remember that the news media shows you what they want you to see, and that’s through a soda straw. Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.
Hysteria and human tragedy sell, not good news.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 12:28:16 PM
It always good to remember that the news media shows you what they want you to see, and that’s through a soda straw. Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.
Hysteria and human tragedy sell, not good news.
Also, the media is clueless and inept. When they cover something I am *NOT* well versed in I often imagine how wrong they are based on their awful track record in areas I consider myself to have some expertise in. A healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing where they're concerned.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 14, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
Best to not believe anything seen from news media unless you were there and saw it for yourself.
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash. I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash. After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me. I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management. She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.
The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.
When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available". That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 14, 2018, 01:09:06 PM
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash. I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash. After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me. I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management. She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.
The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.
When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available". That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.
Point proven. Thanks!
If they can’t get the facts, they’ll just make something up.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 01:20:06 PM
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash. I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash. After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me. I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management. She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.
The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.
When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available". That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.
I had the same thing happen. There was a bankruptcy/merger thing going on back after 9-11. Company policy was no interviews allowed. Some reporters caught me at an outstation gate while I was waiting for the jet to pull in. They started asking questions and my Captain slithered off because she could tell what the game was. I was relatively new but I also understood the rules.
I politely declined to answer questions. Then came the famous, "Okay off the record." I said, "You cannot quote me on anything I say, but basically company A bought company B, the planes will be repainted, and it will be business as usual."
Next day, nasty phone call from the Chief Pilot chewing my arse off for giving an interview. When the first wave of jets came back in that morning there were half a dozen copies of the paper--with a full page article extensively "quoting" me--distributed liberally about the crew room. Took a long time to live that one down!
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: ACE on May 14, 2018, 03:16:21 PM
Yeah it was you and 2 others right over A35, I dodged y'all 3 times and you drilled me sliding down the run way about to hit .ef. was not hit before then. Y'all were the last 4 bishop on the map.... Oh well. I don't need to play that kind of game.
Eh you lost. Take the L like a man. Would have lost straight up anyways.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 14, 2018, 04:46:40 PM
Eh you lost. Take the L like a man. Would have lost straight up anyways.
Yeah, getting gang vulched landing 3-1 with 0 cannons and no way to escape is really losing!! The last 4 bishop left on the map...Crazy, ack didn't even touch them.. sigh. I just call it like I see it. I was literally sliding on the runway about to hit .ef and they couldn't help themselves. Desperate game play if you ask me.... Just sayin..
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zoney on May 14, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
Colombo. I was 150 miles west of Anchorage at Sparrevon AFB from December 1975 to December 1976.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 06:25:37 PM
Yeah, getting gang vulched landing 3-1 with 0 cannons and no way to escape is really losing!! The last 4 bishop left on the map...Crazy, ack didn't even touch them.. sigh. I just call it like I see it. I was literally sliding on the runway about to hit .ef and they couldn't help themselves. Desperate game play if you ask me.... Just sayin..
A kill is a kill. Your SA failed you.
:salute
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 14, 2018, 06:43:10 PM
There is no SA when you are trying to get home and get ganged by 3 cons hovering over your base. Would I have liked a radio call. .. sure. Nothing else you can do..
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 06:48:46 PM
There is no SA when you are trying to get home and get ganged by 3 cons hovering over your base. Would I have liked a radio call. .. sure. Nothing else you can do..
You had friendlies all over the place, bruh. We were fighting our way out of a beehive. Five of us were in that area and only two of us made it home. Some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant.
Sawzaw got ganged 3:1 before I could get to him. I haven't seen him complaining on the boards about it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 14, 2018, 06:51:19 PM
I witnessed a fatal stall, spin and burn crash. I also helped put the fire out, recovered the remains and did the report on the crash. After getting back to the station a few hours later I get a call from a newspaper reporter wanting to interview me. I explained that I would be happy to talk to her BUT department policy required it to be approved thru management. She came back with "But you witnessed the crash didn't you?" to which I responded yes and told her to get approval thru the boss and we could talk.
The next day when I get to work at 4PM I have to see the Chief first thing who starts chewing my butt for talking to the press....he shows me the article in which I was quoted as saying a bunch of crap I didn't say and wouldn't have used the terms used in the article.
When I called the paper several times over the next few days the reporter "wasn't available". That was in 1980, I still won't buy their newspaper.
What kind of aircraft?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 14, 2018, 07:38:40 PM
So 'fake news' has been around for some time.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 14, 2018, 08:25:23 PM
You had friendlies all over the place, bruh. We were fighting our way out of a beehive. Five of us were in that area and only two of us made it home. Some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant.
Sawzaw got ganged 3:1 before I could get to him. I haven't seen him complaining on the boards about it.
That's simply not true...I'm just giving you a hard time about it becuase you were apart of it. I'm not mad about it, though dissapointed in that gameplay and wanted to pressure you about it. I also am the one who killed Sawzaw and he started on my 6 in his P51B, got reversed hard and died 1v1. Infact his squady pulled off thinking Saw had it.... I know what happened haha.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 14, 2018, 08:58:27 PM
That's simply not true...I'm just giving you a hard time about it becuase you were apart of it. I'm not mad about it, though dissapointed in that gameplay and wanted to pressure you about it. I also am the one who killed Sawzaw and he started on my 6 in his P51B, got reversed hard and died 1v1. Infact his squady pulled off thinking Saw had it.... I know what happened haha.
It is very MUCH true. We had bad guys everywhere. The only reason we even got home is because after we lost them, the next group we ran into was either out of gas or scared.
Sawzaw killed two of your friends before you got him for a total of four.
FSO is a confusing environment. Lots of stuff going on with very little reliable information coming in. That last fight over your base was a lot bigger than you realize.
22:13:21 Departed from Field #4 in a P-51D 23:02:10 Shot down a Bf 109K-4 flown by Batz. 23:43:25 Shot down a Bf 109K-4 flown by Violator. 23:46:43 Helps DamPhyNo shoot down Rodeo. 23:55:05 Arrived Safely at Field #23
The only help I had with a victory was on Batz. Looks like my kill on you was a clean one.
Meanwhile you were still fighting after Saw went in. So it was prudent to take you out by any means necessary.
Violator 22:05:17 Departed from Field #35 in a Bf 109K-4 22:55:58 Shot down a P-47D-25 flown by SKHammer. 23:03:53 Shot down a P-51B flown by BigKev03. 23:06:13 Shot down a P-51D flown by Drano. 23:10:37 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #35. 23:27:24 Shot down a P-47D-25 flown by KB. 23:35:59 Shot down a P-51B flown by Sawzaw. 23:39:28 Shot down a P-51D flown by APDrone. 23:43:25 Was shot down by Vraciu (exploded).
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 14, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
Super Cub on floats. The guy took off without clearance and it's speculated that perhaps he stressed over that then turned to hard.
I just happen to look up as he was in the left turn and it was the classic spin entry to the left. He was only about 300-500 feet, I had no doubt he would crash and was enroute in my patrol car. He did 1 1/2 to 2 turns then went behind trees....a few seconds later the fireball and smoke came rolling up. Once the first crash truck got there (a quick response rig with dry chemical and foam) I grabbed the line and started working the fire even though it was obvious no one had survived. There was a couple of explosions as we approached with a big fireballs as we fought the fire and later as we went through the wreckage he had four 5 gallon gas cans (metal) in the rear seat area. We could tell that two had ruptured explaining the explosions we noted. He was 35 years old and to this day I remember his name.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 14, 2018, 11:02:19 PM
Super Cub on floats. The guy took off without clearance and it's speculated that perhaps he stressed over that then turned to hard.
I just happen to look up as he was in the left turn and it was the classic spin entry to the left. He was only about 300-500 feet, I had no doubt he would crash and was enroute in my patrol car. He did 1 1/2 to 2 turns then went behind trees....a few seconds later the fireball and smoke came rolling up. Once the first crash truck got there (a quick response rig with dry chemical and foam) I grabbed the line and started working the fire even though it was obvious no one had survived. There was a couple of explosions as we approached with a big fireballs as we fought the fire and later as we went through the wreckage he had four 5 gallon gas cans (metal) in the rear seat area. We could tell that two had ruptured explaining the explosions we noted. He was 35 years old and to this day I remember his name.
Wow! I’m sure that’s unforgettable.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 14, 2018, 11:40:13 PM
I couldn't imagine seeing a crash like that. It's truely devistating.
I wanted to bring some attention to this because it has been happening quite frequently lately. We cannot afford more soldiers lives to these kinds of accidents. There are many aircraft enthusiast here from all different backgrounds and I just wanted to raise awareness about our military aircraft lately. :salute
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: scott66 on May 15, 2018, 02:32:48 AM
Dang.. Seeing that list v put up I'm glad I don't do the fso thing.. Looks rough lol
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: guncrasher on May 15, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
This is literally the same footage the guy used from HLN and you can clearly see the cut frames from the same camera angle. 76 cut frames. It's proven. It's not a bird. Birds don't fly that fast. Birds don't disappear.
False... Stop being a Meadwad.
Yes I do. There's clear evidence that MsM tampered with the video. Just because it's "anonomous" doesn't make it fake. This is yet another CIA trick. "Only believe our MSM". Fools and delusions only believing large fascist MSM while simultaneously believing that those same corps are evil. I just don't get it. There's a lot you can learn from anonymous news sources.
just food for thought. if there was a conspiracy wouldnt it be better to make the video disappear? after all the CIA has more than enough money to make it happen. or actually let the c130 crash somewhere where there's no video camera. sure as hell they cant be that stupid.
semp
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: John Galt on May 16, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
I'm sorry, but the earth is round, the Holocaust happene4d, and this is just a plane that went down, not some BS being spouted by the same types of folks who see proof of ancient civilizations on Mars. Time to move along.
Very well put. Can you please tell Alex Jones the same thing.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: John Galt on May 16, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
After watching the video closely, I came to the conclusion it was the Cuban backed CIA shooter from the grassy knoll, that took the plane down.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: wil3ur on May 16, 2018, 01:36:51 PM
I still say it's inept/poorly trained Puerto Rican National Guard using handmedown poorly maintained aircraft that will all quietly be pushed under the rug and blamed on weather or wind, or something other than top down mismanagement by the DoD leading to the crash.
We could have an entire fleet of new aircraft with the missing 6 trillion + dollars the Pentagon has "misplaced" since 9/10/2001... :noid :old:
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 16, 2018, 01:50:32 PM
I still say it's inept/poorly trained Puerto Rican National Guard using handmedown poorly maintained aircraft that will all quietly be pushed under the rug and blamed on weather or wind, or something other than top down mismanagement by the DoD leading to the crash.
We could have an entire fleet of new aircraft with the missing 6 trillion + dollars the Pentagon has "misplaced" since 9/10/2001... :noid :old:
This.
(And the plane was NOT sixty years old. Old enough, but not sixty.)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 16, 2018, 02:49:56 PM
I still say it's inept/poorly trained Puerto Rican National Guard using handmedown poorly maintained aircraft that will all quietly be pushed under the rug and blamed on weather or wind, or something other than top down mismanagement by the DoD leading to the crash.
We could have an entire fleet of new aircraft with the missing 6 trillion + dollars the Pentagon has "misplaced" since 9/10/2001... :noid :old:
I'm willing to bet that it had something to due with the repairs the plane underwent in Savannah, probably some airman messed up during maintenance.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Shuffler on May 16, 2018, 03:56:06 PM
The simple answer is that some group came into the matrix that did not load the C130 program.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: wil3ur on May 16, 2018, 04:10:03 PM
I'm willing to bet that it had something to due with the repairs the plane underwent in Savannah, probably some airman messed up during maintenance.
I'll take that bet. This is likely on the crew, IMHO, and I hate to say it.
Ultimately, it is better to crash right side up than upside down. It is drilled into your head from the day you fly your first twin that Vmc is suicide. Crash straight ahead without power if that's what it takes, but don't depart the airplane.
A C-130 crew should know better. They had enough control authority to cause a spin. That means they had enough to prevent it. (If something else prevented them from doing that I suspect we'll find out.)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 16, 2018, 08:52:04 PM
A lot of rush to judgement going on about this.
The accident investigation will reveal the cause. While serving on a couple of headquarters staff jobs, I’ve been on the inner circle for the investigation and report for several of these. There’s nothing to be gained by covering up the cause.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 16, 2018, 11:05:08 PM
The accident investigation will reveal the cause. While serving on a couple of headquarters staff jobs, I’ve been on the inner circle for the investigation and report for several of these. There’s nothing to be gained by covering up the cause.
No doubt about that. Or that.
I tend to give a lot of leeway to the crew on these things and I usually keep my mouth shut until something solid is discovered...BUT... I'm leaning toward the crew losing control of a flyable airplane on this one (i.e. departure was avoidable even if crashing was not). Initial gut instinct. More often than not that winds up being right--or close to it--in my (purely anecdotal) experience.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 17, 2018, 10:48:14 AM
I tend to give a lot of leeway to the crew on these things and I usually keep my mouth shut until something solid is discovered...BUT... I'm leaning toward the crew losing control of a flyable airplane on this one (i.e. departure was avoidable even if crashing was not). Initial gut instinct. More often than not that winds up being right--or close to it--in my (purely anecdotal) experience.
That’s true a lot of the time.....crew. But, the video of this after takeoff, descending, lower than normal speed, aggressive roll over, etc makes me wonder about some sort of catastrophic material failure that completely distracted the crew causing them to get well behind the situation.
The formal investigation will tell the cause. Regardless, so very tragic.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 12:01:40 PM
That’s true a lot of the time.....crew. But, the video of this after takeoff, descending, lower than normal speed, aggressive roll over, etc makes me wonder about some sort of catastrophic material failure that completely distracted the crew causing them to get well behind the situation.
The formal investigation will tell the cause. Regardless, so very tragic.
Yep. But if that's true it goes back to the first rule: fly the airplane.
It just sucks to see people killed in a domestic repositioning accident when we lose enough already to other things. (I detest that people are trying to make some sort of political hay out of this, too. I'll just leave it there.)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 17, 2018, 12:30:15 PM
A possibility that this crew was faced with an unflyable aircraft malfunction.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 12:45:52 PM
A possibility that this crew was faced with an unflyable aircraft malfunction.
Of course.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: mikeWe9a on May 17, 2018, 04:07:14 PM
Late to the discussion, but:
There was no computer malfunction that caused this crash, for the simple reason that there is no flight control computer. The C-130 uses hydro-mechanical flight controls: Cables go from the primary flight controls to the hydraulic actuators which move the control surfaces. There are no computers involved and the flight controls do not even need electricity to operate (the rudder control DOES use a signal to change rudder pressure based on flap position, but will operate regardless).
The aircraft climbs out at a speed above the minimum single engine out control speed, and must be able to meet certain performance criteria with one engine out. There have been rumors of two engines failing, however. If there WERE two engines out on the same side, or certain single engine malfunctions involving the propeller, the minimum control speed would be higher, and could be higher than the charted climbout speed in many, if not all, cases. The aircraft may well be unable to maintain altitude if two engines fail (from the -1: "WARNING Two-engine operation above 120,000 pounds gross weight or at high density altitude is marginal"), while having them both on the same side would greatly increase controllability problems.
The fireball is not excessive for the crash - a C-130 can carry up to 60,000 lbs of JP-8.
v/r
Mike
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
The aircraft climbs out at a speed above the minimum single engine out control speed, and must be able to meet certain performance criteria with one engine out. There have been rumors of two engines failing, however. If there WERE two engines out on the same side, or certain single engine malfunctions involving the propeller, the minimum control speed would be higher, and could be higher than the charted climbout speed in many, if not all, cases. The aircraft may well be unable to maintain altitude if two engines fail (from the -1: "WARNING Two-engine operation above 120,000 pounds gross weight or at high density altitude is marginal"), while having them both on the same side would greatly increase controllability problems.
The fireball is not excessive for the crash - a C-130 can carry up to 60,000 lbs of JP-8.
The airplane has to be certified to fly in that condition. If you get below the manufacturer’s designated Vmc speed you’ll lose the ability to maintain heading. Lots of solutions to that situation that don’t involve loss of control.
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Transport category turboprops have to be able to climb out like that with certain gross and net climb gradients, I would guess, and I have no doubt the C-130 can as well, especially since it was sold to the civilian market as the L-100.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 17, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
The way I see it, the pilots lost control of being able to control the aircraft. I see really nothing that suggest they tried to level or control the plane at all. Also, while we don't have the videos. It seems eerily similar to what I've heard about the other recent air crashes the week before. How did their planes, helicopters just fall out of the sky? I will say that there is a huge conspiracy about being able to take over a plane's computer and crashing it. A great example of that is the lady that was exposed by Q who tried to take the 911 people to court, she died soon later in an airplane crash. Obama's birth cert lady who approved it died in an airplane crash. Heinz creator whose John Kerry's wife was married to died in a plane crash. The Kennedy guy's plane. The plane full of doctors that crashed. A plane that crashed recently with some delagates daughter on it. The helicopter over the protest where a woman was killed that crashed with 2 cops on it. All I'm saying is that there's quite a bit of scary plane/heli crashes with important people that go down. I think it's more than just a coincidence. Just saying.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 05:27:05 PM
The way I see it, the pilots lost control of being able to control the aircraft. I see really nothing that suggest they tried to level or control the plane at all.
I see it as they did try to level off, which is why they snapped over into a spin. They go slow and departed the airplane. That's a pure guess and I can't stand to look at the video more than once--makes me sick to my stomach to see that kind of thing. I'm glad I've NEVER seen it in real life.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: wil3ur on May 17, 2018, 07:29:26 PM
Take into account our electronics are all manufactured in china...
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Drano on May 17, 2018, 07:42:13 PM
And and Stevie Ray Vaughan! And Roberto Clemente! And Buddy Holly! And half of Lynyrd Skynrd! It's a conspiracy I tell ya! Sullenberger is next for crossing "them"!
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Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 17, 2018, 09:10:00 PM
I don't believe AT ALL that it applies in this case but I do think there are serious issues with off the shelf hardware and national security. I'm not really computer literate so I might be doing a Henny Penny but Stuxnet and this oldie from the cold war: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html) do suggest that there are real vulnerabilities that are only getting harder and harder to police. Schemers gonna Scheme.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 18, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
I don't believe AT ALL that it applies in this case but I do think there are serious issues with off the shelf hardware and national security. I'm not really computer literate so I might be doing a Henny Penny but Stuxnet and this oldie from the cold war: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html) do suggest that there are real vulnerabilities that are only getting harder and harder to police. Schemers gonna Scheme.
Getting our electronics from foreign vendors is a problem. But that's a whole other thread.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 18, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
The way I see it, the pilots lost control of being able to control the aircraft. I see really nothing that suggest they tried to level or control the plane at all. Also, while we don't have the videos. It seems eerily similar to what I've heard about the other recent air crashes the week before. How did their planes, helicopters just fall out of the sky? I will say that there is a huge conspiracy about being able to take over a plane's computer and crashing it. A great example of that is the lady that was exposed by Q who tried to take the 911 people to court, she died soon later in an airplane crash. Obama's birth cert lady who approved it died in an airplane crash. Heinz creator whose John Kerry's wife was married to died in a plane crash. The Kennedy guy's plane. The plane full of doctors that crashed. A plane that crashed recently with some delagates daughter on it. The helicopter over the protest where a woman was killed that crashed with 2 cops on it. All I'm saying is that there's quite a bit of scary plane/heli crashes with important people that go down. I think it's more than just a coincidence. Just saying.
Thats because your brain is playing games with you, its called confirmation bias, You see what you want to see. A more reasonably explanation is that 'important' people are flying more than 'unimportant' people simply because they can afford it. Rich people can afford private jets and helicopters so when they go down its far more likely that there are an 'important' person onboard than an average Joe.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 18, 2018, 05:51:06 PM
The way I see it, the pilots lost control of being able to control the aircraft. I see really nothing that suggest they tried to level or control the plane at all. Also, while we don't have the videos. It seems eerily similar to what I've heard about the other recent air crashes the week before. How did their planes, helicopters just fall out of the sky? I will say that there is a huge conspiracy about being able to take over a plane's computer and crashing it. A great example of that is the lady that was exposed by Q who tried to take the 911 people to court, she died soon later in an airplane crash. Obama's birth cert lady who approved it died in an airplane crash. Heinz creator whose John Kerry's wife was married to died in a plane crash. The Kennedy guy's plane. The plane full of doctors that crashed. A plane that crashed recently with some delagates daughter on it. The helicopter over the protest where a woman was killed that crashed with 2 cops on it. All I'm saying is that there's quite a bit of scary plane/heli crashes with important people that go down. I think it's more than just a coincidence. Just saying.
The even bigger conspiracy is the average of 40,00 people killed in car crashes annually in the United States.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Oldman731 on May 18, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Dude. Everyone knows that's caused by the electromagnets the CIA secretly fastens to cars, which it powers up by remote control.
- oldman (thought everyone knew that)
Notice the 2 or 3 firey explosions by the Tesla's last week. You think that's random? They can control cars. Not saying that all deathly crashes are controlled by the CIA, but they can do it. I think the Fast and Furious actor died by this because he had info on Haiti.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 19, 2018, 10:21:18 AM
Notice the 2 or 3 firey explosions by the Tesla's last week. You think that's random? They can control cars. Not saying that all deathly crashes are controlled by the CIA, but they can do it. I think the Fast and Furious actor died by this because he had info on Haiti.
Quick story:
When I was much younger, I watched a trial of a man who believed, quite honestly, that witches were hexing his mother. He described, from the stand, precisely how they accomplished that. Quite a thing to sit there and listen to.
So he went to Sears (yes, it was awhile ago), bought a revolver, and killed five of the witches before they finally caught him.
Now I'm not suggesting that you are a modern-day John Bruno, but you do begin to worry me with the conspiracy theories.
- oldman
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Tec on May 19, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
Newly released video shows the CIA trying to kill an important person with Chinese telepathy satellites back in 2010. Obviously this is when they were still working out the kinks.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 19, 2018, 09:55:55 PM
Newly released video shows the CIA trying to kill an important person with Chinese telepathy satellites back in 2010. Obviously this is when they were still working out the kinks.
Naw, that was nothing more than buffoonery.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 19, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
When I was much younger, I watched a trial of a man who believed, quite honestly, that witches were hexing his mother. He described, from the stand, precisely how they accomplished that. Quite a thing to sit there and listen to.
So he went to Sears (yes, it was awhile ago), bought a revolver, and killed five of the witches before they finally caught him.
Now I'm not suggesting that you are a modern-day John Bruno, but you do begin to worry me with the conspiracy theories.
- oldman
The best way to remain ignorant in this world is to call everything you haven't deeply studied a conspiracy theory. You give them all the means necessary to keep committing atrocities without even questioning it. They know their schemes are coming to the light, that's why they want to dissarm us using the poor children.
Newly released video shows the CIA trying to kill an important person with Chinese telepathy satellites back in 2010. Obviously this is when they were still working out the kinks.
Not sure if there was a real video or if you are joking with me because the video is no longer available. That being said, you'd have thought the sound attacks on American ambassadors in Cuba was a "conspiracy theory" but it actually happened recently and is very concerning.
I probably want to put this thread to rest. Don't want to cause too much paranoia or dogma. I just wanted to see opinions on the crash from people who have experience. Thought it was interesting considering there's been an increase in military crashes recently.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 21, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
I don’t see an increase. Military mishaps seem to ebb and flow around the same rate per 100,000.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 21, 2018, 01:54:21 PM
The best way to remain ignorant in this world is to call everything you haven't deeply studied a conspiracy theory. You give them all the means necessary to keep committing atrocities without even questioning it. They know their schemes are coming to the light, that's why they want to dissarm us using the poor children.
Not sure if there was a real video or if you are joking with me because the video is no longer available. That being said, you'd have thought the sound attacks on American ambassadors in Cuba was a "conspiracy theory" but it actually happened recently and is very concerning.
I probably want to put this thread to rest. Don't want to cause too much paranoia or dogma. I just wanted to see opinions on the crash from people who have experience. Thought it was interesting considering there's been an increase in military crashes recently.
Military crash occurred when they occur, just like car crashes. This particular one captured huge media attention, AND A PAYCHECK, for the camera owner. This, like EVERY other military aircraft crash will get a high level of attention, a skilled group of subject matter experts assigned, a very thorough examination of the evidence, and a cause reported in due time. It would not be beyond the realm of possibilities that the accident investigation team has already determined the cause. When the formal investigation is completed, a report will be prepared, and issued.
The problem with this and the recent SWA fatal incident is that media floods all avenues with the initial story and then the internet warriors who are also aviation subject matter experts solve the incident before facts are known.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 21, 2018, 03:55:06 PM
2018[edit] January 20 A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache crashes during training at the base in the Mojave Desert, California, killing both pilots.[297] January 27 A Royal Australian Air Force Boeing EA-18G Growler catches fire on takeoff. The aircraft skids off the runway and sustains damage.[298] January 29 People's Liberation Army Air Force Shaanxi Y-8GX-3 30513 crashes at Zhengchang. All twelve people on board are killed.[299] February 2 Two Gazelle military helicopters belonging to military flying school: Ealat collide at Carcès lake, north of St Tropez, France. The collision kills at least 5 people according to local officials.[300] February 3 Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-25SM RF-94586/06, c/n 10393, is shot down over Idlib province while providing air support to Syrian government forces attacking the city of Saraqib. Pilot Major Roman Filipov manages to eject but is wounded while fighting militants after landing in a rebel controlled territory; he blows himself up to avoid capture. The Russian Ministry of Defence revealed that the aircraft was targeted by a MANPAD system.[301][302][303] February 5 JGSDF Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow 74502, c/n JP002, crashes at Chiyoda, Saga Prefecture after the main rotor breaks apart in flight, killing both of its crew and injuring a local resident on the ground. [304] The main rotor head was a rebuilt unit from another AH-64D. February 10
Main article: February 2018 Israel–Syria incident An Israeli F-16I is shot down by Syrian anti-aircraft fire and crashes in northern Israel with both crew surviving. According to the Israeli military the plane was carrying out a strike against an Iranian control system after an Iranian drone violated Israeli airspace.[305] Syria denies the drone entered Israeli airspace. In retaliation for the shot-down the Israeli military said it carried out a "large scale attack" on Iranian targets in Syria.[306] 10 February A Turkish TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK attack helicopter is shot down by YPG fighters near Afrin, Syria. The two soldiers on board are killed. It is the first aircraft loss of Turkey since its involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[307] March 6 Main article: 2018 Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 crash Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 RF-92955/52, c/n 10107, crashes on approach to Khmeimim air base in Syria, killing all 39 people on board. Technical fault is suspected.[308] March 14 US Nav F/A-18F Super Hornet BuNo 166683, of VFA-213, crashes roughly a mile off the end of the runway at Naval Air Station Key West in Florida following an in-flight fire. Both pilots are able to eject, but die shortly after recovery.[309] A preliminary investigation revealed that the aircraft was attempting to land with one engine out. March 15 A military helicopter crashed in southwest Senegal, killing eight people and injuring 13 others.[310] 15 March A US military Sikorsky HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter, of the 176th Wing of the Alaska Air National Guard, crashes in Western Iraq after striking a power pole, killing all seven aboard.[311] March 18 A Syrian Arab Air Force Su-24 is shot down by rebels in East Qalamoun, East of Damascus province, crashing in friendly territory. The fate of the crew is unknown. A video emerged showing at least one of the pilots ejecting succefully.[312][313] March 20 Royal Air Force BAE Systems Hawk T1 XX204, c/n 312051/051 of the Red Arrows display team, crashes at RAF Valley, Anglesey. The pilot is able to eject, but the engineer dies in the crash.[314] RAF grounds all Hawk T1s three days later. 3 April A U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier crashes in Djibouti shortly after take-off.[315] 3 April Myanmar Air Force Chengdu F-7M 1648 crashes in a rice paddy near Kone Kyun village, Bago region; pilot Major Arkar Win is able to eject, but dies later of his injuries in the hospital.[316] A witness reported a loud explosion before the crash. 3 April An Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17-V5 crashes after striking an iron girder while landing, killing one and injuring three.[317] 4 April A USMC CH-53E Super Stallion, of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, crashes near Naval Air Field El Centro for reasons unknown, killing all 4 crewmen.[318] 5 April A US Air Force Flight Demonstration Team F-16 crashes in Nevada, killing the pilot.[319] 5 April A Republic of Korea Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-15K Slam Eagle crashes into a mountain near Chilgok for reasons unknown while en route to an air base, killing the pilot; the copilot remains missing.[320] The ROKAF grounds all F-15Ks (except those needed for national defense) as a result of the crash. 6 April A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache helicopter, of the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, crashes at Fort Campbell in Kentucky, killing both pilots.[321] April 11 Main article: 2018 Algerian Air Force Il-76 crash Algerian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76TD, 7T-WIV, c/n 1043419649, crashes shortly after takeoff from Boufarik Airport near the capital of Algeria, killing all 257 people on board.[322] April 13 A United States Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter jet was damaged when it experienced an engine malfunction during takeoff. Apparently the left engine basically stopped working on takeoff, suddenly depriving the pilot of enough thrust to continue ascent after he had already raised the landing gear, forcing for a hard, belly landing that lasted for more than a mile.[323] April 24 United States Air Force Lockheed Martin F-16C Block 42, 90-0760, c/n 1C-368, of the 56th Fighter Wing, overruns the runway while attempting to land at Lake Havasu City Airport. The pilot is able to eject safely.[324] April 29 A Libyan Air Force Lockheed C-130H-30 Hercules crashes shortly after takeoff[325]. Out of the four total crew members and passengers aboard, three are killed on impact. The crash happened near the El Sharara oil field in Libya. May 2 Main article: 2018 U.S. Air National Guard C-130 crash United States Air Force Lockheed WC-130H Hercules 65-0968, c/n 4110, of the 156th Airlift Wing of the Puerto Rico Air National Guard, crashes on Georgia State Route 21 in Port Wentworth, Georgia while on climbout from Hilton Head International Airport and catches fire, killing all nine on board. This was to be the aircraft's last flight before retirement at the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) base in Arizona.[326] May 3 A Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30SM crashes in the sea off Jiblah, Latakia, Syria shortly after takeoff.[327] Both pilots die. May 7 A Russian Air Force Kamov Ka-52 helicopter crashes during a routine flight over eastern Syria due to technical failure, killing both pilots.[32
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 21, 2018, 04:19:39 PM
Nothingburger. Flying is a dangerous endeavor compared to hiding in a closet all day.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 21, 2018, 05:05:30 PM
2018[edit] January 20 A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache crashes during training at the base in the Mojave Desert, California, killing both pilots.[297] January 27 A Royal Australian Air Force Boeing EA-18G Growler catches fire on takeoff. The aircraft skids off the runway and sustains damage.[298] January 29 People's Liberation Army Air Force Shaanxi Y-8GX-3 30513 crashes at Zhengchang. All twelve people on board are killed.[299] February 2 Two Gazelle military helicopters belonging to military flying school: Ealat collide at Carcès lake, north of St Tropez, France. The collision kills at least 5 people according to local officials.[300] February 3 Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-25SM RF-94586/06, c/n 10393, is shot down over Idlib province while providing air support to Syrian government forces attacking the city of Saraqib. Pilot Major Roman Filipov manages to eject but is wounded while fighting militants after landing in a rebel controlled territory; he blows himself up to avoid capture. The Russian Ministry of Defence revealed that the aircraft was targeted by a MANPAD system.[301][302][303] February 5 JGSDF Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow 74502, c/n JP002, crashes at Chiyoda, Saga Prefecture after the main rotor breaks apart in flight, killing both of its crew and injuring a local resident on the ground. [304] The main rotor head was a rebuilt unit from another AH-64D. February 10
Main article: February 2018 Israel–Syria incident An Israeli F-16I is shot down by Syrian anti-aircraft fire and crashes in northern Israel with both crew surviving. According to the Israeli military the plane was carrying out a strike against an Iranian control system after an Iranian drone violated Israeli airspace.[305] Syria denies the drone entered Israeli airspace. In retaliation for the shot-down the Israeli military said it carried out a "large scale attack" on Iranian targets in Syria.[306] 10 February A Turkish TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK attack helicopter is shot down by YPG fighters near Afrin, Syria. The two soldiers on board are killed. It is the first aircraft loss of Turkey since its involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[307] March 6 Main article: 2018 Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 crash Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 RF-92955/52, c/n 10107, crashes on approach to Khmeimim air base in Syria, killing all 39 people on board. Technical fault is suspected.[308] March 14 US Nav F/A-18F Super Hornet BuNo 166683, of VFA-213, crashes roughly a mile off the end of the runway at Naval Air Station Key West in Florida following an in-flight fire. Both pilots are able to eject, but die shortly after recovery.[309] A preliminary investigation revealed that the aircraft was attempting to land with one engine out. March 15 A military helicopter crashed in southwest Senegal, killing eight people and injuring 13 others.[310] 15 March A US military Sikorsky HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter, of the 176th Wing of the Alaska Air National Guard, crashes in Western Iraq after striking a power pole, killing all seven aboard.[311] March 18 A Syrian Arab Air Force Su-24 is shot down by rebels in East Qalamoun, East of Damascus province, crashing in friendly territory. The fate of the crew is unknown. A video emerged showing at least one of the pilots ejecting succefully.[312][313] March 20 Royal Air Force BAE Systems Hawk T1 XX204, c/n 312051/051 of the Red Arrows display team, crashes at RAF Valley, Anglesey. The pilot is able to eject, but the engineer dies in the crash.[314] RAF grounds all Hawk T1s three days later. 3 April A U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier crashes in Djibouti shortly after take-off.[315] 3 April Myanmar Air Force Chengdu F-7M 1648 crashes in a rice paddy near Kone Kyun village, Bago region; pilot Major Arkar Win is able to eject, but dies later of his injuries in the hospital.[316] A witness reported a loud explosion before the crash. 3 April An Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17-V5 crashes after striking an iron girder while landing, killing one and injuring three.[317] 4 April A USMC CH-53E Super Stallion, of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, crashes near Naval Air Field El Centro for reasons unknown, killing all 4 crewmen.[318] 5 April A US Air Force Flight Demonstration Team F-16 crashes in Nevada, killing the pilot.[319] 5 April A Republic of Korea Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-15K Slam Eagle crashes into a mountain near Chilgok for reasons unknown while en route to an air base, killing the pilot; the copilot remains missing.[320] The ROKAF grounds all F-15Ks (except those needed for national defense) as a result of the crash. 6 April A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache helicopter, of the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, crashes at Fort Campbell in Kentucky, killing both pilots.[321] April 11 Main article: 2018 Algerian Air Force Il-76 crash Algerian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76TD, 7T-WIV, c/n 1043419649, crashes shortly after takeoff from Boufarik Airport near the capital of Algeria, killing all 257 people on board.[322] April 13 A United States Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter jet was damaged when it experienced an engine malfunction during takeoff. Apparently the left engine basically stopped working on takeoff, suddenly depriving the pilot of enough thrust to continue ascent after he had already raised the landing gear, forcing for a hard, belly landing that lasted for more than a mile.[323] April 24 United States Air Force Lockheed Martin F-16C Block 42, 90-0760, c/n 1C-368, of the 56th Fighter Wing, overruns the runway while attempting to land at Lake Havasu City Airport. The pilot is able to eject safely.[324] April 29 A Libyan Air Force Lockheed C-130H-30 Hercules crashes shortly after takeoff[325]. Out of the four total crew members and passengers aboard, three are killed on impact. The crash happened near the El Sharara oil field in Libya. May 2 Main article: 2018 U.S. Air National Guard C-130 crash United States Air Force Lockheed WC-130H Hercules 65-0968, c/n 4110, of the 156th Airlift Wing of the Puerto Rico Air National Guard, crashes on Georgia State Route 21 in Port Wentworth, Georgia while on climbout from Hilton Head International Airport and catches fire, killing all nine on board. This was to be the aircraft's last flight before retirement at the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) base in Arizona.[326] May 3 A Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30SM crashes in the sea off Jiblah, Latakia, Syria shortly after takeoff.[327] Both pilots die. May 7 A Russian Air Force Kamov Ka-52 helicopter crashes during a routine flight over eastern Syria due to technical failure, killing both pilots.[32
Got a similar run down on all the worldwide car crashes in the same time period?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 21, 2018, 05:52:10 PM
2018[edit] January 20 A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache crashes during training at the base in the Mojave Desert, California, killing both pilots.[297] January 27 A Royal Australian Air Force Boeing EA-18G Growler catches fire on takeoff. The aircraft skids off the runway and sustains damage.[298] January 29 People's Liberation Army Air Force Shaanxi Y-8GX-3 30513 crashes at Zhengchang. All twelve people on board are killed.[299] February 2 Two Gazelle military helicopters belonging to military flying school: Ealat collide at Carcès lake, north of St Tropez, France. The collision kills at least 5 people according to local officials.[300] February 3 Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-25SM RF-94586/06, c/n 10393, is shot down over Idlib province while providing air support to Syrian government forces attacking the city of Saraqib. Pilot Major Roman Filipov manages to eject but is wounded while fighting militants after landing in a rebel controlled territory; he blows himself up to avoid capture. The Russian Ministry of Defence revealed that the aircraft was targeted by a MANPAD system.[301][302][303] February 5 JGSDF Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbow 74502, c/n JP002, crashes at Chiyoda, Saga Prefecture after the main rotor breaks apart in flight, killing both of its crew and injuring a local resident on the ground. [304] The main rotor head was a rebuilt unit from another AH-64D. February 10
Main article: February 2018 Israel–Syria incident An Israeli F-16I is shot down by Syrian anti-aircraft fire and crashes in northern Israel with both crew surviving. According to the Israeli military the plane was carrying out a strike against an Iranian control system after an Iranian drone violated Israeli airspace.[305] Syria denies the drone entered Israeli airspace. In retaliation for the shot-down the Israeli military said it carried out a "large scale attack" on Iranian targets in Syria.[306] 10 February A Turkish TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK attack helicopter is shot down by YPG fighters near Afrin, Syria. The two soldiers on board are killed. It is the first aircraft loss of Turkey since its involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[307] March 6 Main article: 2018 Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 crash Russian Air Force Antonov An-26 RF-92955/52, c/n 10107, crashes on approach to Khmeimim air base in Syria, killing all 39 people on board. Technical fault is suspected.[308] March 14 US Nav F/A-18F Super Hornet BuNo 166683, of VFA-213, crashes roughly a mile off the end of the runway at Naval Air Station Key West in Florida following an in-flight fire. Both pilots are able to eject, but die shortly after recovery.[309] A preliminary investigation revealed that the aircraft was attempting to land with one engine out. March 15 A military helicopter crashed in southwest Senegal, killing eight people and injuring 13 others.[310] 15 March A US military Sikorsky HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopter, of the 176th Wing of the Alaska Air National Guard, crashes in Western Iraq after striking a power pole, killing all seven aboard.[311] March 18 A Syrian Arab Air Force Su-24 is shot down by rebels in East Qalamoun, East of Damascus province, crashing in friendly territory. The fate of the crew is unknown. A video emerged showing at least one of the pilots ejecting succefully.[312][313] March 20 Royal Air Force BAE Systems Hawk T1 XX204, c/n 312051/051 of the Red Arrows display team, crashes at RAF Valley, Anglesey. The pilot is able to eject, but the engineer dies in the crash.[314] RAF grounds all Hawk T1s three days later. 3 April A U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B Harrier crashes in Djibouti shortly after take-off.[315] 3 April Myanmar Air Force Chengdu F-7M 1648 crashes in a rice paddy near Kone Kyun village, Bago region; pilot Major Arkar Win is able to eject, but dies later of his injuries in the hospital.[316] A witness reported a loud explosion before the crash. 3 April An Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17-V5 crashes after striking an iron girder while landing, killing one and injuring three.[317] 4 April A USMC CH-53E Super Stallion, of the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, crashes near Naval Air Field El Centro for reasons unknown, killing all 4 crewmen.[318] 5 April A US Air Force Flight Demonstration Team F-16 crashes in Nevada, killing the pilot.[319] 5 April A Republic of Korea Air Force McDonnell Douglas F-15K Slam Eagle crashes into a mountain near Chilgok for reasons unknown while en route to an air base, killing the pilot; the copilot remains missing.[320] The ROKAF grounds all F-15Ks (except those needed for national defense) as a result of the crash. 6 April A US Army Boeing AH-64E Apache helicopter, of the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade, crashes at Fort Campbell in Kentucky, killing both pilots.[321] April 11 Main article: 2018 Algerian Air Force Il-76 crash Algerian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76TD, 7T-WIV, c/n 1043419649, crashes shortly after takeoff from Boufarik Airport near the capital of Algeria, killing all 257 people on board.[322] April 13 A United States Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter jet was damaged when it experienced an engine malfunction during takeoff. Apparently the left engine basically stopped working on takeoff, suddenly depriving the pilot of enough thrust to continue ascent after he had already raised the landing gear, forcing for a hard, belly landing that lasted for more than a mile.[323] April 24 United States Air Force Lockheed Martin F-16C Block 42, 90-0760, c/n 1C-368, of the 56th Fighter Wing, overruns the runway while attempting to land at Lake Havasu City Airport. The pilot is able to eject safely.[324] April 29 A Libyan Air Force Lockheed C-130H-30 Hercules crashes shortly after takeoff[325]. Out of the four total crew members and passengers aboard, three are killed on impact. The crash happened near the El Sharara oil field in Libya. May 2 Main article: 2018 U.S. Air National Guard C-130 crash United States Air Force Lockheed WC-130H Hercules 65-0968, c/n 4110, of the 156th Airlift Wing of the Puerto Rico Air National Guard, crashes on Georgia State Route 21 in Port Wentworth, Georgia while on climbout from Hilton Head International Airport and catches fire, killing all nine on board. This was to be the aircraft's last flight before retirement at the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) base in Arizona.[326] May 3 A Russian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30SM crashes in the sea off Jiblah, Latakia, Syria shortly after takeoff.[327] Both pilots die. May 7 A Russian Air Force Kamov Ka-52 helicopter crashes during a routine flight over eastern Syria due to technical failure, killing both pilots.[32
Nice list. Now we should compare with last 2-3 years during the same months and see if they come close.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 21, 2018, 08:19:00 PM
Nice list. Now we should compare with last 2-3 years during the same months and see if they come close.
The last half dozen years have been about the same.
The real conspiracy is the love affair with the F-35. Legacy Hornets and Vipers are not being replaced in order to afford the thing and they're falling apart. The Marines especially so. At least the Navy is buying Supers.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: pembquist on May 21, 2018, 08:22:23 PM
I posted this before but I think it is pretty instructive:http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 21, 2018, 08:37:18 PM
I posted this before but I think it is pretty instructive:http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)
It's Skyyr's fault. :old:
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: MiloMorai on May 21, 2018, 11:00:08 PM
You all, except tinfoil suit who is clueless, took the posting of the list wrong considering the number of flight hours the American military flies.
Tinfoil suit try google for other years.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 22, 2018, 01:02:08 AM
I posted this before but I think it is pretty instructive:http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations (http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)
Lesson learned. Don't buy a Japanese car :noid
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 22, 2018, 03:45:21 AM
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So, what is your point?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 22, 2018, 03:04:32 PM
I mean it couldn't be something as simple as being a result of our planes being old and hard to maintain. Did you know that in 2017, 74% of USMC F-18s were not ready operations due to insufficient pilot training (not enough flying hours), lack of spare parts, etc.? That is 208 F-18s out of 280 the USMC flies. In 2017, 54% of the USN strike fighters were out of service due to the same reasons the USMC has had with their F-18s. I'm sure the USAAF is having the same problems with their plane inventory.
You might want to think about getting one of these to restore some of that oxygen to your brain that has been cut off because of your tin foil hat.
I mean it couldn't be something as simple as being a result of our planes being old and hard to maintain. Did you know that in 2017, 74% of USMC F-18s were not ready operations due to insufficient pilot training (not enough flying hours), lack of spare parts, etc.? That is 208 F-18s out of 280 the USMC flies. In 2017, 54% of the USN strike fighters were out of service due to the same reasons the USMC has had with their F-18s. I'm sure the USAAF is having the same problems with their plane inventory.
You might want to think about getting one of these to restore some of that oxygen to your brain that has been cut off because of your tin foil hat.
The last half dozen years have been about the same.
The real conspiracy is the love affair with the F-35. Legacy Hornets and Vipers are not being replaced in order to afford the thing and they're falling apart. The Marines especially so. At least the Navy is buying Supers.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 22, 2018, 05:36:14 PM
I mean it couldn't be something as simple as being a result of our planes being old and hard to maintain. Did you know that in 2017, 74% of USMC F-18s were not ready operations due to insufficient pilot training (not enough flying hours), lack of spare parts, etc.? That is 208 F-18s out of 280 the USMC flies. In 2017, 54% of the USN strike fighters were out of service due to the same reasons the USMC has had with their F-18s. I'm sure the USAAF is having the same problems with their plane inventory.
You might want to think about getting one of these to restore some of that oxygen to your brain that has been cut off because of your tin foil hat.
During the late 70s/early 80s, there was a similar situation when the administration at the time raped the military budget. Driving down the flight line at Langley, it was not uncommon to see multiple F-15s parked with one or both engines removed. It got to the point the USAF didn’t have money for spare parts, not to mention flying hours were very minimal.
Throughout my career there were periods where multiple accidents occurred in a short time span. The reaction from senior command was always the same. Conduct a command wide safety stand down. Have safety meetings. Determine there was nothing connecting a string of mishaps other than coincidence. Outcome: us line pilots missed a day or two of flying and nothing else changed. Of course, when the accident boards presented their findings and there was any kind of crew responsibility found, a new rule or reg was added to the already enormous mound of crap we were responsible for knowing. It was the well known military technique of spraying everyone with a shotgun blast to fix a problem caused by one individual’s intentional act. Again and again, it was proven that good judgement can not be legislated.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 22, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
No conspiracy. I'm just saying. I think they are transporting something.
I'm sure those C-17s are doing what the plane was designed to do, transport things.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: JimmyC on May 22, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
I`m sure this all came about because the news crew cut a bit from the clip, some anomalies appeared and.. it looked a bit odd so people thought to probe it.. 1+1 =3
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 22, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
With 14 planes including 2 f16 escorts. Wonder what it could be!!! :noid
That would be a logical exercise scenario, escort with a high value cargo.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 23, 2018, 07:03:24 AM
Uh oh....I was at the range yesterday zeroing my new M1A and new to me Garand and noticed 2 C-17s in close trail. They made at least 3 passes over the area at altitudes below 2000' agl. I didn't see any escort but we have F-22s up here so they might of been standing off using sensors and BVR weapons to protect the C-17s.
Or maybe they were dropping some of the local paratroops on Malemute DZ which is only a few mile away. :)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 07:47:34 AM
Uh oh....I was at the range yesterday zeroing my new M1A and new to me Garand and noticed 2 C-17s in close trail. They made at least 3 passes over the area at altitudes below 2000' agl. I didn't see any escort but we have F-22s up here so they might of been standing off using sensors and BVR weapons to protect the C-17s.
Or maybe they were dropping some of the local paratroops on Malemute DZ which is only a few mile away. :)
Did any of them crash mysteriously?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 23, 2018, 08:11:43 AM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 12:37:56 PM
Another crash today by a T-38C. Pilots are safe though luckily.
Don't get me started on Chem trails. I have so many pictures of proof it's undeniable. I hear they have defunded their activities, but I'm not totally convinced they have all stopped yet.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 23, 2018, 12:43:08 PM
You mean a condensation trail made by the exhaust of an aircraft engine, commonly known as a vapor or contrail?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
You mean a condensation trail made by the exhaust of an aircraft engine?
No. I mean 8 -10 streaks for 20 miles across the sky that all happen to fly over within 5 minutes of each other within an hour. Block the sun, make the sky hazzy as hell, you can see them spread across as they sink. It's not water... then next week, you get the same temp, a plane flies over with about 1.5 - 2 miles of steak, no long trail, dissipates clearly, with no trace, with a perfectly sunny sky all day. Just doesn't make sense. I've even seen one jet make streaks across the sky, with another jet that flew by shortly after having a 1-2 miles real contrail. Doesn't make sense..
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 01:38:18 PM
No. I mean 8 -10 streaks for 20 miles across the sky that all happen to fly over within 5 minutes of each other within an hour. Block the sun, make the sky hazzy as hell, you can see them spread across as they sink. It's not water... then next week, you get the same temp, a plane flies over with about 1.5 - 2 miles of steak, no long trail, dissipates clearly, with no trace, with a perfectly sunny sky all day. Just doesn't make sense. I've even seen one jet make streaks across the sky, with another jet that flew by shortly after having a 1-2 miles real contrail. Doesn't make sense..
It's called an airway. We have these things called SIDs and STARs, too. IOW, airplanes fly over the same piece of ground because that's the way they are routed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
Another crash today by a T-38C. Pilots are safe though luckily.
Don't get me started on Chem trails. I have so many pictures of proof it's undeniable. I hear they have defunded their activities, but I'm not totally convinced they have all stopped yet.
T-38s are ancient. They also do a lot of low-level stuff which makes them prone to hitting birds. #Nothingburger
Can you tell me where the chemtrail switch is in my airplane? I can't find it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
Don't get me started on Chem trails. I have so many pictures of proof it's undeniable. I hear they have defunded their activities, but I'm not totally convinced they have all stopped yet.
Lol "proof"! Killin me! You heard about all this listening to Coast to Coast didn't ya? Dude that's not MEANT to be taken seriously! It's just something cool to listen to if you're awake at 3AM. It's entertainment at best.
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Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: wil3ur on May 23, 2018, 02:12:22 PM
I like when they play tictactoe with their "con"trails
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
It's called an airway. We have these things called SIDs and STARs, too. IOW, airplanes fly over the same piece of ground because that's the way they are routed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9r3H4iHFZk
First of all. They aren't civilian aircraft.
Secondly, are you telling me that all day the sky is perfectly sunny with no trials in the sky. Then at 5 o'clock that's when contrails start leaving 20 mile long lines that block and haze the sun? I'm not buying it.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Secondly, are you telling me that all day the sky is perfectly sunny with no trials in the sky. Then at 5 o'clock that's when contrails start leaving 20 mile long lines that block and haze the sun? I'm not buying it.
Yeah. It’s called weather. Fronts move. Wind speed/direction varies. Temperature and humidity change. Contrails are finicky things. They behave in all sorts of ways depending on numerous factors.
How do you know what they are? You see military markings on them?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 23, 2018, 03:15:45 PM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DaveBB on May 23, 2018, 03:29:29 PM
This is off-topic and better suited for another thread, but I found an awesome thread on Reddit about the conspiracy theories that turned out to be TRUE. I was amazed.
The chemtrail stuff probably started after Operation Ranch Hand, where the USAF did spray toxic chemicals (dioxins) over U.S. troops and South Vietnamese in order to deforest roads and kill rice crops.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
This is off-topic and better suited for another thread, but I found an awesome thread on Reddit about the conspiracy theories that turned out to be TRUE. I was amazed.
The chemtrail stuff probably started after Operation Ranch Hand, where the USAF did spray toxic chemicals (dioxins) over U.S. troops and South Vietnamese in order to deforest roads and kill rice crops.
Agent Orange is akin to crop dusting. Chemtrails are akin to moonbattery.
I guess we didn’t bomb Germany to rubble after all. It was the B-17s spraying chemtrails that did it.
Yeah. It’s called weather. Fronts move. Wind speed/direction varies. Temperature and humidity change. Contrails are finicky things. They behave in all sorts of ways depending on numerous factors.
How do you know what they are? You see military markings on them?
Right, but global warming is going to kill humanity in 50 years and flood the earth!!! :noid
I've got some pictures coming when I get a chance to post them
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 03:42:06 PM
I will include the research later that suggest Aluminum and other heavy metals from these coal ash spraying are increasing by PPM in the forest.
Totally normal.
You have jets flying along the same airway each making a contrail. The first one goes by...contrail forms....it moves DOWNWIND as the next jet passes....repeat.
TOTALLY NORMAL.
I see it all the time. My jet does the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 23, 2018, 07:38:52 PM
There are upwards of 87,000 commercial airline flight across the continental U.S. evert day. Then there are civilian and military jets in addition to that.
In the correct conditions, a jet will leave a contrail. The contrail will dissipate at different due to a number of factors and some days leave remnants for hours.
The contrail level can be calculated. In the USAF, the “CON” level was briefed. It was a critical item to be aware of in order not highlight one's position to an opponent with a contrail.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: guncrasher on May 23, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
I am bipolar with just a hint of paranoia. everytime I meet a new person I always wonder why they want to talk to me. every girlfriend I ever had I always wonder if she was sent to spy on me. untill i get to know them better.
but you guys that believe in conspiracy theories, you need help.
semp
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: pembquist on May 23, 2018, 07:59:14 PM
This strikes me as extremely suspicious, why do they keep doing the same thing? What could it mean?
It’s very common for military exercises to last multiple days. That and limited airspace in the area could explain seeing them on the same routes over multiple days.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 23, 2018, 08:20:13 PM
I am bipolar with just a hint of paranoia. everytime I meet a new person I always wonder why they want to talk to me. every girlfriend I ever had I always wonder if she was sent to spy on me. untill i get to know them better.
but you guys that believe in conspiracy theories, you need help.
You have jets flying along the same airway each making a contrail. The first one goes by...contrail forms....it moves DOWNWIND as the next jet passes....repeat.
TOTALLY NORMAL.
I see it all the time. My jet does the exact same thing.
How are there 2 different contrials? One, 20 miles long, and another 1 mile long one, in the same air space, at roughly the same time. Explain that to me?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Meatwad on May 23, 2018, 08:56:22 PM
This strikes me as extremely suspicious, why do they keep doing the same thing? What could it mean?
Pre determined flightpath for training?
We have one over here for Scott AFB that the KC-135 take on training flights. Every aircraft on this path will follow the same path, turn at the same waypoints, and all be at a low altitude. I can go out in the country in Washington County and sit right at the spot where they make a low sweeping turn to the right.
And to clarify, I do believe in secret govt programs that us the general public doesnt know and the govt wont tell us, but some of this severe paranoia about mind control, chemtrails, and hardcore conspiracy has to be thought up from people that have severe underlying mental problems, to the point that they pose a danger to others when they finally go unhinged
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 09:10:33 PM
How are there 2 different contrials? One, 20 miles long, and another 1 mile long one, in the same air space, at roughly the same time. Explain that to me?
Altitude. Drift. Time. Type of aircraft. Number of engines. Engine size.
There are a million factors.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
Altitude. Drift. Time. Type of aircraft. Number of engines. Engine size.
There are a million factors.
Not buying it. The atmosphere doesn't change that rapidly in a span of 30 miles unless a front is coming thru. The air doesn't magically change from 12pm to 3 PM with the exact same sunny sky, and maybe a few degrees hotter.
Y'all make it so easy to get away with high crime I'll tell ya.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 09:44:10 PM
Not buying it. The atmosphere doesn't change that rapidly in a span of 30 miles unless a front is coming thru. The air doesn't magically change from 12pm to 3 PM with the exact same sunny sky, and maybe a few degrees hotter.
Y'all make it so easy to get away with high crime I'll tell ya.
Fronts are almost always coming through.
I fly in the weather. There is this giant yellow thing called the sun and it is VERY hot. But it doesn't heat the earth in a uniform manner and thus we get this thing called CONVECTION... Yadda' yadda' yadda'.
Contrails don't last forever. What you are seeing is easily explained by normal atmospheric phenomena--and varying distance from your eyeball, aircraft type, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: colmbo on May 23, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: TyFoo on May 23, 2018, 10:14:03 PM
So as to not to get his tinfoil hat sparking. . . .I recognize the pictures he posted and they underlie the high traffic North/ South J routes on the West coast between Socal and Seattle.
Where the pictures were taken are on the Jepp US (Lo) 1/ (H)1 enroute charts.
The atmosphere does continually change. Specifically in the troposphere in which we live and planes fly in. Temperatures, wind speed, water vapor content at various altitudes are always in flux.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
Not buying it. The atmosphere doesn't change that rapidly in a span of 30 miles unless a front is coming thru. The air doesn't magically change from 12pm to 3 PM with the exact same sunny sky, and maybe a few degrees hotter.
Y'all make it so easy to get away with high crime I'll tell ya.
Well, the atmosphere can and does change in that distance or shorter. Changes in standard lapse rate, wind shear, sun angle, levels of humidity, etc affect contrail formation or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 10:28:12 PM
I fly in the weather. There is this giant yellow thing called the sun and it is VERY hot. But it doesn't heat the earth in a uniform manner and thus we get this thing called CONVECTION... Yadda' yadda' yadda'.
Contrails don't last forever. What you are seeing is easily explained by normal atmospheric phenomena--and varying distance from your eyeball, aircraft type, etc. etc.
They are literally blocking the sun. Note my picture. That is not a normal contrail day.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 23, 2018, 10:56:05 PM
They are literally blocking the sun. Note my picture. That is not a normal contrail day.
A contrail can LITERALLY BLOCK the sun. They cast shadows. You cannot see through them when they are fully formed, just like a cloud. That's in essence what they are--a cloud.
Hot breath on a cold day.
It's -54 degrees C up there, what the heck do you think an 850 degree C engine is going to do????
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 23, 2018, 11:06:17 PM
So, has anyone heard anything else factual about the C-130 accident?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 23, 2018, 11:43:48 PM
A contrail can LITERALLY BLOCK the sun. They cast shadows. You cannot see through them when they are fully formed, just like a cloud. That's in essence what they are--a cloud.
Hot breath on a cold day.
It's -54 degrees C up there, what the heck do you think an 850 degree C engine is going to do????
No they don't. On a typical sunny day here, no contrails block the sun. I've been watching for a year now. For reference, these pics were from Troutdale, Oregon. I haven't seen long trials in over 2 weeks, enmasse, like the pics I've posted. Water vapor dissipates and evaporates in the direct sun light. Particals are tiny and will not hold water vapor the higher you go. These cross the sky and connect to almost make the sky look like a painting in a few hours.. It's not normal. I use to not believe in chemtrials until I moved here and was blown away by these things. Questioning these does not make it a conspiracy theory. Science is not a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 12:08:10 AM
No they don't. On a typical sunny day here, no contrails block the sun. I've been watching for a year now. For reference, these pics were from Troutdale, Oregon. I haven't seen long trials in over 2 weeks, enmasse, like the pics I've posted. Water vapor dissipates and evaporates in the direct sun light. Particals are tiny and will not hold water vapor the higher you go. These cross the sky and connect to almost make the sky look like a painting in a few hours.. It's not normal. I use to not believe in chemtrials until I moved here and was blown away by these things. Questioning these does not make it a conspiracy theory. Science is not a conspiracy theory.
Nonsense. Take a look at the pictures I just showed you. You cannot see through those contrails. They *are* clouds.
You get enough of them that persist and you can have what works out to a cloud layer, much like what we see in nature at very high altitudes (Cirrus, Cirrostratus, Cirrocumulus, etc.).
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 12:25:07 AM
For reference, here is a portion of a high altitude (FL 180 and above) chart in the Portland area used by Airlines, civilian jets, and military aircraft to transit the U.S. It is logical to see that under the right conditions, numerous contrails will be seen in the sky (like your posted photos) at the same time. For more on contrails, check this link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail
With relatively light winds aloft, the contrails will hang for long periods of time and gradually spread out.
A check of winds aloft (issued 1+20 ago) in the Portland area at FL390 shows winds 213/20 and a temperature of -71F.
Contrails are all about science. Your conspiracy theory doesn’t have any science to back it up.
Science starts with the scientific method. 1. Observation- wow, I see 10 contrails across the sky sprayed in one hour but not the others and stay there for 8 hours, not during the rest of week with the same temperature and same sunny day light.
2. Hypothisis - why are there 10 contrails across the sky during one hour but not the others for the rest of the day or week with the same temperature and same sunny day light?
Then we get to the testing phase which is tough for this.
Then we can come to our own conclusions based on testing.
I am observing and hypothisizing. They don't look like normal 1 miles contrials. I have pics of 2 different contrials in the same air space at the same time. 1 normal, 1 20 miles long. They haze the sky all day. The next day, no trials, same temp, same sunny day. Gee, Did the atmosphere completely change??? Nah...
Asking questions doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a concerned citizen.
Look up the studies on coal ash. Look up increasing barium and aluminum by PPM in Forest. All drastically increasing as the heavy metals float down all over the place. They spread out as they fall because they don't break down. These are completely different than a 1 mile trial. 100% totally different.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 24, 2018, 02:14:25 AM
Science starts with the scientific method. 1. Observation- wow, I see 10 contrails across the sky sprayed in one hour but not the others and stay there for 8 hours, not during the rest of week with the same temperature and same sunny day light.
2. Hypothisis - why are there 10 contrails across the sky during one hour but not the others for the rest of the day or week with the same temperature and same sunny day light?
Then we get to the testing phase which is tough for this.
Then we can come to our own conclusions based on testing.
I am observing and hypothisizing. They don't look like normal 1 miles contrials. I have pics of 2 different contrials in the same air space at the same time. 1 normal, 1 20 miles long. They haze the sky all day. The next day, no trials, same temp, same sunny day. Gee, Did the atmosphere completely change??? Nah...
Asking questions doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a concerned citizen.
Look up the studies on coal ash. Look up increasing barium and aluminum by PPM in Forest. All drastically increasing as the heavy metals float down all over the place. They spread out as they fall because they don't break down. These are completely different than a 1 mile trial. 100% totally different.
Only problem is that your approach is "i dont understand this so it must be something shady going on". What you should do first is of course study meteorology. Most of your assumptions are wrong, for ex that the conditions at 30k feet is the same as those on the ground. Just because you dont observe a change in weather on the ground doesnt mean that there isnt any change up in the atmosphere. Clouds can appear in a large number of different ways depending on the conditions. From the thin and high Cirrus to the massive storm clouds. The exhausts of an aircraft engine contains soot particles and this allows for the condensation of the water in he air to start since the water needs something to 'attach' to in order to condensate. Depending on the condition this clouds disappear within a few minutes or the condensation continues and forms cirrus clouds. The latter often happens when an aircraft flies in the very front edge of a warm front: (https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.downdraftchasing.com%2Fwarmfront_clouds.gif&f=1)
Cloud formation from contrails is well known an sometimes have significant impact on the local weather, but it still doesnt mean that there are an evil scheme going on.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Drano on May 24, 2018, 07:28:59 AM
I'm beginning to think he thinks when he's standing on the ground looking up at the sky he's looking at the inside of a big blue ball. We're all just inside some giant's snow globe or something. This is just hilarious. Or terrifying. That's there's people out there like this walking the streets.
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Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 24, 2018, 09:00:40 AM
I'm beginning to think he thinks when he's standing on the ground looking up at the sky he's looking at the inside of a big blue ball. We're all just inside some giant's snow globe or something. This is just hilarious. Or terrifying. That's there's people out there like this walking the streets.
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It's terrifying to me you people let your own government dark forces take advantage of you while you sit there and call everything a conspiracy without question. That's a product of a dumb downed sheep society. Which of course is another scheme for another thread. If you don't think evil exist in our senior executive service or Foreign Relations Committee and factions of the CIA. Think again.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 24, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
Only problem is that your approach is "i dont understand this so it must be something shady going on". What you should do first is of course study meteorology. Most of your assumptions are wrong, for ex that the conditions at 30k feet is the same as those on the ground. Just because you dont observe a change in weather on the ground doesnt mean that there isnt any change up in the atmosphere. Clouds can appear in a large number of different ways depending on the conditions. From the thin and high Cirrus to the massive storm clouds. The exhausts of an aircraft engine contains soot particles and this allows for the condensation of the water in he air to start since the water needs something to 'attach' to in order to condensate. Depending on the condition this clouds disappear within a few minutes or the condensation continues and forms cirrus clouds. The latter often happens when an aircraft flies in the very front edge of a warm front: (https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.downdraftchasing.com%2Fwarmfront_clouds.gif&f=1)
Cloud formation from contrails is well known an sometimes have significant impact on the local weather, but it still doesnt mean that there are an evil scheme going on.
Again, explain why there are 2 different contrials in the same air space in 2 of the pics I have posted, why do they all come at the same time of the day back to back. Why would airlines be flying 20K lower than the others to make a large trail? These planes are at least 30K. It doesn't make sense. Those contrials literally paint the sky. It's not normal. A normal day shows no lines after all the planes cross. A normal day doesn't show 15 lines across the sky. Then, one random day that week, they all appear. It's BS. It's not caused by air. It's caused by coal ash being sprayed. Just look at research.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Mister Fork on May 24, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
Again, explain why there are 2 different contrials in the same air space in 2 of the pics I have posted, why do they all come at the same time of the day back to back. Why would airlines be flying 20K lower than the others to make a large trail? These planes are at least 30K. It doesn't make sense. Those contrials literally paint the sky. It's not normal. A normal day shows no lines after all the planes cross. A normal day doesn't show 15 lines across the sky. Then, one random day that week, they all appear. It's BS. It's not caused by air. It's caused by coal ash being sprayed. Just look at research.
Again: you have no idea how it works, but that still isnt a sign of foul play. Clouds often appears in layers and the layers can be just a few hundred feet thick, this is because the air itself often are layered and thus have different temperature and humidity. its the same thing as there can be clouds on some parts of the sky but not on others. Aircrafts flying in different air layers will have different contrails.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 24, 2018, 10:02:33 AM
It's terrifying to me you people let your own government dark forces take advantage of you while you sit there and call everything a conspiracy without question. That's a product of a dumb downed sheep society. Which of course is another scheme for another thread. If you don't think evil exist in our senior executive service or Foreign Relations Committee and factions of the CIA. Think again.
I question everything. And when I find evidence to support a rational position that’s the one I take. I see contrails all the time and have for 45+ years. THEY'RE NORMAL.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 24, 2018, 10:03:44 AM
Again, explain why there are 2 different contrials in the same air space in 2 of the pics I have posted, why do they all come at the same time of the day back to back. Why would airlines be flying 20K lower than the others to make a large trail? These planes are at least 30K. It doesn't make sense. Those contrials literally paint the sky. It's not normal. A normal day shows no lines after all the planes cross. A normal day doesn't show 15 lines across the sky. Then, one random day that week, they all appear. It's BS. It's not caused by air. It's caused by coal ash being sprayed. Just look at research.
We already told you!
Atmospheric conditions might just be similar at the same time of day two days in a row. Derp.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Zimme83 on May 24, 2018, 10:05:34 AM
So, has anyone heard anything else factual about the C-130 accident?
It was carrying a load of detained flat-earthers, reverse-swirl toilets, and chemtrail supplies to the fake "Australia" we have set up in South America. Unfortunately they put all the reverse swirl toilets facing the same direction (those load regulations are written in blood!) which caused an uncontrolled gyroscopic force INSIDE THE PLANE, causing it to spiral out of control and crash.
Actually, no. I don't think there's been anything new and factual released.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: DmonSlyr on May 24, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
More Proof of foul play. (https://preview.ibb.co/edLtMT/Pic.jpg)
Those contrails disappear about a mile back, just like I said in the other pictures of the real contrails. They are not 30 Miles long. And if weather/atmosphere changes so fast, why are the trails 30 miles long? Shouldn't they be spotted? While yall sound logical. I see many flaws.
Look at the picture of the sun in the in the one I posted. THIS NOT NORMAL. 8 HOURS AFTER MAJOR SPRAYING. (https://preview.ibb.co/cvjnwT/8_hours_after_spraying.jpg)
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
Science starts with the scientific method. 1. Observation- wow, I see 10 contrails across the sky sprayed in one hour but not the others and stay there for 8 hours, not during the rest of week with the same temperature and same sunny day light.
2. Hypothisis - why are there 10 contrails across the sky during one hour but not the others for the rest of the day or week with the same temperature and same sunny day light?
Then we get to the testing phase which is tough for this.
Then we can come to our own conclusions based on testing.
I am observing and hypothisizing. They don't look like normal 1 miles contrials. I have pics of 2 different contrials in the same air space at the same time. 1 normal, 1 20 miles long. They haze the sky all day. The next day, no trials, same temp, same sunny day. Gee, Did the atmosphere completely change??? Nah...
Asking questions doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a concerned citizen.
Look up the studies on coal ash. Look up increasing barium and aluminum by PPM in Forest. All drastically increasing as the heavy metals float down all over the place. They spread out as they fall because they don't break down. These are completely different than a 1 mile trial. 100% totally different.
The one thing you are missing is facts. Do an ernest study of contrails and how they are formed. Study the actual winds aloft and associated temperatures in your area or any area you choose. Have an open mind, gather facts, and learn about the subject.
Your scientific observations are flawed because you don’t gather associated facts. Your hypothesis is also flawed because it too, isn’t based on fact but, your belief.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 24, 2018, 11:06:17 AM
More Proof of foul play. (https://preview.ibb.co/edLtMT/Pic.jpg) Those contrails disappear about a mile back, just like I said in the other pictures of the real contrails. They are not 30 Miles long. And if weather/atmosphere changes so fast, why are the trails 30 miles long? Shouldn't they be spotted? While yall sound logical. I see many flaws.
Look at the picture of the sun in the in the one I posted. THIS NOT NORMAL. 8 HOURS AFTER MAJOR SPRAYING. (https://preview.ibb.co/cvjnwT/8_hours_after_spraying.jpg)
1) That is ENTIRELY NORMAL. Those high altitude clouds (Cirrus, Cirrostratus, etc.) exist independent of contrails.
2) That is not "spraying".
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 11:07:47 AM
More Proof of foul play. (https://preview.ibb.co/edLtMT/Pic.jpg) Those contrails disappear about a mile back, just like I said in the other pictures of the real contrails. They are not 30 Miles long. And if weather/atmosphere changes so fast, why are the trails 30 miles long? Shouldn't they be spotted? While yall sound logical. I see many flaws.
Look at the picture of the sun in the in the one I posted. THIS NOT NORMAL. 8 HOURS AFTER MAJOR SPRAYING. (https://preview.ibb.co/cvjnwT/8_hours_after_spraying.jpg)
It not your normal clear day because, the high cirrus is typically 2-3 days ahead of a weather front.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 11:09:50 AM
It was carrying a load of detained flat-earthers, reverse-swirl toilets, and chemtrail supplies to the fake "Australia" we have set up in South America. Unfortunately they put all the reverse swirl toilets facing the same direction (those load regulations are written in blood!) which caused an uncontrolled gyroscopic force INSIDE THE PLANE, causing it to spiral out of control and crash.
Actually, no. I don't think there's been anything new and factual released.
You may have something there with those reverse swirl toilets. :rofl
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 11:12:38 AM
Heeeeyyyyy, how did you get the co-pilot eject button option? I thought it was only available in the new 737 MAXIPAD?
It’s been original equipment since the first 737 came out of the factory. When I was brand new, it was a preflight item for me to double the safety wire along with some judicious use of super glue.
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Puma44 on May 24, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
More Proof of foul play. (https://preview.ibb.co/edLtMT/Pic.jpg)
This is nothing more than a well done graphic developed by conspiracy theorist with statements and photos not backup with factual evidence. Whoever developed this presented the view he/she wanted you to believe. How is it proof of anything?
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Vraciu on May 24, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Can we talk about this C-130 crash?
Post by: Oldman731 on May 24, 2018, 11:30:44 AM