General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Electroman on December 12, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
Title: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 12, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 12, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
so you enjoy the Toxic atmosphere-players cussing other players-calling each other names when they got killed, players accusing each other a cheat or a shade, wasn't like this in AH2, what do you think or feel when new players manage to find the 200 channel?
I yes me made a wish on the wish list for something to be done about the problem, wether this is it or not, I like it.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Thorns on December 12, 2018, 10:40:10 PM
Just kill the cross-country PM's....There is a lot of players that their mouth overloads their monitor...totally toxic. :salute
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 12, 2018, 10:47:30 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: molybdenum on December 12, 2018, 10:49:59 PM
So sad - for as much crap that there is on 200 chat there is also some good conversation but you guys decide to disable that. You just killed what was again good feature in the game. you can let people decide to tune or de-tune it as they like. You didn't have to disable it
It won't be long until the game is chipped away to the point there is not much left to like that make people want to stay...
Yup. 200, despite the occasional toxic comments on it, is something that brings the community of players closer together, irrespective of team. HiTech and crew should check the chat archives from 04:00 to 06:00 PST this morning if they doubt that. Don't know if it's cause and effect, a function of the current map (which I dislike), a combination of those, or none of the above, but there were less than 90 players on when I logged off; this time of night the usual number is ~140. One can easily disable channel 200 if one wishes to, and many do. How is that not sufficient?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: FLOOB on December 12, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
Yeah this better be temporary. Complaining about chan 200 is like complaining that it's too dark in your house when the lights are turned off. Like those people who try to get tv shows taken off the air because they don't like to hear bad words on HBO.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 12, 2018, 11:05:43 PM
Like I said - every player has the option to tune or detune it. It's not an issue unless you want it to be / leave it tuned. A new player can just as easily not tune it.
I'll take it for now as there was no consistency across the mods so at least that is no longer a factor...but it is sad because the few people on other countries I did enjoy talking with about a variety of things is now gone.
see there's name calling right there-you can't just make a post without calling a name
I asked for it for new players
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: FLOOB on December 12, 2018, 11:06:51 PM
Just kill the cross-country PM's....There is a lot of players that their mouth overloads their monitor...totally toxic. :salute
Yes. Actually kill all PM's What's the point, aren't there already like over 100 radio channels? And if you got something you don't want public then it's probably something you shouldn't be saying in the first place.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 12, 2018, 11:07:39 PM
Yup. 200, despite the occasional toxic comments on it, is something that brings the community of players closer together, irrespective of team. HiTech and crew should check the chat archives from 04:00 to 06:00 PST this morning if they doubt that. Don't know if it's cause and effect, a function of the current map (which I dislike), a combination of those, or none of the above, but there were less than 90 players on when I logged off; this time of night the usual number is ~140. One can easily disable channel 200 if one wishes to, and many do. How is that not sufficient?
I like 200 channel but the toxic players theres no need for people to each other POS
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 12, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
look all I did was wish for something to be done about the name calling and putting other players down, I never wish for 200 to be shut down-just to see if some words or abbreviations could be put on the restricted words list. please read my post on the wish list.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 13, 2018, 12:37:41 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: DLXIRON on December 13, 2018, 01:04:12 AM
Yeah cross country rage pms were not necessary but 200 was entertaining.
Dougie
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 13, 2018, 01:34:26 AM
Oh...wait...I'm Sorry. I didn't know I could hurt your feelings so easily.
New Players don't have channel 200 tuned by default. Most new players find out through discussions of fellow countrymen - who if in good conscience can let them know it's open fodder of all topics / discussion so they may / may not want to leave 200 tuned. Maybe some education there might be a good starting point. Again, people could still decide if they want it or not. now we have nothing. Any friendly cross rivalry discussions have been taken away...the fun ribbing of some...and yes the toxicity with all of it. I'm not sure that is a win win - you've lost more than you've gained...
Kinda like the "improvements" to radar...
Just so you and everyone else who might read this thread are in the know....
Channel 200 as well as all Country and Range/Room channels are Not open to all topics and discussions...
The same rules on the AH message boards basically apply to the online Malee Arena, Special Events Arenas and Training Arena...
Hope this helps
TC
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Bizman on December 13, 2018, 01:46:33 AM
What? Have they disabled 200?
I agree sometimes there's talk that in my opinion fits to the categories of flamebaiting, politics, religion and other prohibited topics. Then again, as some already have said, it's also a forum to greet every player, friends and rivals equally. As such it's a community strengthening thing. Closing it is like closing all the roads to prevent car accidents.
As for killing cross country PM's for their toxicity, I strongly disagree. I've sent quite a lot of friendly ones which have led into sometimes longish discussions starting from analysing the last fight to the current personal situation. By their nature they would have been safe to be typed on a public channel but some of the chat has been very personal. Not something that shouldn't be said, on the contrary, but things that are between friends only. And yes, there's people in the game I call friends even though the only way I keep contact with them is the in-game PM.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: rvflyer on December 13, 2018, 01:47:06 AM
Stupid stupid stupid idea, there are 6 players in Melee now. shut the doors HT if disabling x county is the best you can do. Lunatic you do not speak for everyone. I you are worried about new players tell them how to disable it. I guess if the object is to kill the game and lose more players this is it.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: rvflyer on December 13, 2018, 01:51:51 AM
What? It was exactly like this in AH2. I don't know what game you were playing when it comes to 200 but nothing has changed.
so you enjoy the Toxic atmosphere-players cussing other players-calling each other names when they got killed, players accusing each other a cheat or a shade, wasn't like this in AH2, what do you think or feel when new players manage to find the 200 channel?
I yes me made a wish on the wish list for something to be done about the problem, wether this is it or not, I like it.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: rvflyer on December 13, 2018, 02:25:36 AM
Is this why AH3 is taking failing? https://store.steampowered.com/app/990060/War_Online_Pacific/
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 13, 2018, 06:59:31 AM
:aok
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: puller on December 13, 2018, 07:44:25 AM
so you enjoy the Toxic atmosphere-players cussing other players-calling each other names when they got killed, players accusing each other a cheat or a shade, wasn't like this in AH2, what do you think or feel when new players manage to find the 200 channel?
I yes me made a wish on the wish list for something to be done about the problem, wether this is it or not, I like it.
It wasn't like this in AH2 my foot....
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: edge12674 on December 13, 2018, 08:16:51 AM
There is validity to both sides of the channel 200 argument. I always tune 200 and routinely use it to salute enemy pilots that fought well. There has always been trash talk on 200, but it has been steadily increasing. The player community here is on average older than most and as such good gamesmanship behavior is more prevalent. Players are reflecting our current society of "I can say/do anything, but will be offended by anything you say/do" mentality. Try a popular FPS and you will see many ill behaved players! Hitech is in the poor position of trying to keep a positive gaming environment that is being populated more and more with people lacking social courtesy and good gamesmanship. No easy answers here!
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: atlau on December 13, 2018, 08:27:21 AM
How about if when you tried to pm someone the recipient had the option to "pick up the phone" or ignore it. Kind of like a caller id function.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: hitech on December 13, 2018, 08:55:49 AM
Why we are trying some communications changes.
A review of Aces High.
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It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.
HiTech
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: puller on December 13, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
I guess my question is...Are there still cross country comms channels that we could pm to players on the other side to use to talk to each other?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SilverZ06 on December 13, 2018, 09:08:01 AM
I logged after just a few minutes today. There are plenty of guys on all countries that I enjoy friendly banter with. Now I have to switch sides to chat with them but have to wait hours before I can switch back. Communication was a fun aspect of the game and now its been neutered. Wrong move in my opinion but that's just me.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 13, 2018, 09:22:19 AM
Just because HTC disabled channel 200, like they had to do with channel 1 years ago... Does this mean that all 200 thru 299 channels are now disabled?
Or did HTC possibly leave channels 201 thru 299 untouched for a workaround?
TC
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: atlau on December 13, 2018, 09:26:47 AM
If this helps retain players im all for it.
Can you still salute?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SilverZ06 on December 13, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: caldera on December 13, 2018, 09:35:23 AM
Tuned to 200 channel three whole times IIRC and found it to be mostly whining, taunting, name-calling, and know-it-all blowhards arguing. There is plenty of that on country channel, rendering 200 superfluous. :D
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: atlau on December 13, 2018, 09:43:14 AM
Maybe they can create a friends list where you can still chat. I think htc will be able to find a compromise
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
90% of what I see on 200 can be boiled down to:
- "Nice HO." - "Nice run to ack." - "I died outnumbered."
And then sometimes people try to educate the community on the current internet rage issue.
Don't really see how disabling 200 affects anything to do with that review. The same stuff can happen on country.
Wiley.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 13, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 13, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
ahhh so it wasn't my fault
HiTech could we please have cross country chat back--- I guess a toxic environment is better then none.
the players already miss talking to players in other countries.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Lazerr on December 13, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
It sounds like we lost cross country communications because of the personality disorders of a few people, and a review of a soft skinned whiner that must still wear diapers.
Really? Turn it back on, and deal with the problem people appropriately.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Lusche on December 13, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
I want to point out that new players generally don't know about the (voluntary) CH200 and only learn about it later in the game. If toxic communication is driving away anyone, it's most likely because of country text / local voice channels and possibly PM's.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: FLOOB on December 13, 2018, 11:56:02 AM
That review was obviously from a disgruntled neurotic former player. Just like the types who edit the Ah Wikipedia with angry nonsense and post page long psycho negative reviews on steam and reddit. You know, the same dudes you banned for being jerks. The majority of “toxic community” reviews are from emotional players who clearly have an axe to grind. Hitech you’ve played other pvp games so you know how mild this community is compared to other games. I’ll give playing without a Chan 200 a try but I suspect this latest change may be a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: FLOOB on December 13, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
It is probably a good idea to disable cross country chat in the free arenas because of “riff-raff”. But disabling it in the ma takes away a lot from the game for me at least.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: puller on December 13, 2018, 12:10:38 PM
It is probably a good idea to disable cross country chat in the free arenas because of “riff-raff”. But disabling it in the ma takes away a lot from the game for me at least.
This
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: 100Coogn on December 13, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
That review was obviously from a disgruntled neurotic former player. Just like the types who edit the Ah Wikipedia with angry nonsense and post page long psycho negative reviews on steam and reddit. You know, the same dudes you banned for being jerks. The majority of “toxic community” reviews are from emotional players who clearly have an axe to grind. Hitech you’ve played other pvp games so you know how mild this community is compared to other games. I’ll give playing without a Chan 200 a try but I suspect this latest change may be a deal breaker for me.
I believe you're right. I was reading some of the reviews on Steam last night. It was quite obvious that many of the negative reviews were from previous players that were ejected from the game. I couldn't find anyplace to leave a review. I think I have to get the game from Steam in order to do that.
Coogan
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2018, 12:27:18 PM
I want to point out that new players generally don't know about the (voluntary) CH200 and only learn about it later in the game. If toxic communication is driving away anyone, it's most likely because of country text / local voice channels and possibly PM's.
Exactly. Ch200 was never a problem for me because I never tuned it.
Local vox is probably what drives new players away. Somebody whining incessantly about how he was just unfairly ganged. Or complaining that others aren't following his orders. Or droning on about some boring BS I don't care about.
One of the last times I was flying in arena, I came to an enemy field were a friendly was de-acking. I didn't want to give up my alt and I suck at de-acking, so instead I started flying cap over him to protect him from any incoming. He starts screeching at me on local about what idiot I am just flying in circles over him and I need to get my stupid butt down there and help him. lol. I just flew off and left him screeching.
One thing I liked about Battlefield was there system of pre-canned player messages. A squad leader can mark a base to defend or attack and you get an audible msg. You can request ammo or a medic, or new orders with a pre-canned audible message like the AH "check six" command. They have voice but most people don't use it and if someone in my unit starts using it I won't hesitate to reach over and mute them in a second if they annoy me in the least. The pre-canned audible commands are more than sufficient to communicate with other players in controlled and non-annoying way.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: BBQsam on December 13, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
The .p PMs are still available for cross-country private communications.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: bustr on December 13, 2018, 01:05:18 PM
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It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.
Give this experiment time, it's been obvious this would happen as Hitech hemorrhaged new first day customers with AH3. Along with constant horrible reviews out in the real world of how toxic we have become in our years of treating outsiders and each other like garbage. This game centered on the MA as the core of the game cannot survive if it continues to be a culture of grown men sharing by communicating with virtual flame throwers for everything and nothing. It's now a reflexive response out of many over almost anything.
In our day yes, roasting people through smack talk on ch1 then ch200 was as much the game as shooting them in a furball. Then adding chest thumping on top of it after cheap shot shooting them from their blind side. Online all of us know many feel no need to limit themselves becasue there is nothing to loose on the anonymous Internet. Today AH3 is at a cross roads and based on responses in this post, many don't care, and are attacking Hitech's action to save his company with the same rancor as they treat customers new and old in the MA. Hitech has a business to run and needs new customers. At this point AH3 has become like a once popular bar that needs to attract a younger clientele to keep the doors open. While the regulars of many years feel they own the place and drive away anyone checking out their dump.
And yes it's obvious AH has been one of the few places left for some to not feel controlled by this modern PC language and thought policed society. While spending time in the company of the like minded who hate that phenomenon. Aside from the poor conduct issues on 200, it tends to be dominated by exclusivity and outright exclusion while it's supposed to be open to all of Hitech's customers. It's always been dysfunctional in that respect while the common response is always "don't tune to it" by it's favored sons. It is provided to "all" of Hitech's customers while devolving into a clique domain.
Being good customers does not entitle us to destroy Hitech's business becasue we want it to stay a familiar comfortable place for us.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 13, 2018, 01:13:29 PM
Give this experiment time, it's been obvious this would happen as Hitech hemorrhaged new first day customers with AH3. Along with constant horrible reviews out in the real world of how toxic we have become in our years of treating outsiders and each other like garbage. This game centered on the MA as the core of the game cannot survive if it continues to be a culture of grown men sharing by communicating with virtual flame throwers for everything and nothing. It's now a reflexive response out of many over almost anything.
In our day yes, roasting people through smack talk on ch1 then ch200 was as much the game as shooting them in a furball. Then adding chest thumping on top of it after cheap shot shooting them from their blind side. Online all of us know many feel no need to limit themselves becasue there is nothing to loose on the anonymous Internet. Today AH3 is at a cross roads and based on responses in this post, many don't care, and are attacking Hitech's action to save his company with the same rancor as they treat customers new and old in the MA. Hitech has a business to run and needs new customers. At this point AH3 has become like a once popular bar that needs to attract a younger clientele to keep the doors open. While the regulars of many years feel they own the place and drive away anyone checking out their dump.
And yes it's obvious AH has been one of the few places left for some to not feel controlled by this modern PC language and thought policed society. While spending time in the company of the like minded who hate that phenomenon. Aside from the poor conduct issues on 200, it tends to be dominated by exclusivity and outright exclusion while it's supposed to be open to all of Hitech's customers. It's always been dysfunctional in that respect while the common response is always "don't tune to it" by it's favored sons. It is provided to "all" of Hitech's customers while devolving into a clique domain.
Being good customers does not entitle us to destroy Hitech's business becasue we want it to stay a familiar comfortable place for us.
And how is this different than any other PvP game out there today that is highly successful with thousands of subscribers? If you think the cross country comms is the root of the problem with the game today then respectfully you are sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mano on December 13, 2018, 01:19:47 PM
I like channel 200 overall. There are lots of friendly players to chat with.
On the other hand, there are couple players that routinely call me a cheat.....so I use the squelch text by right clicking on their call-sign on the roster. They cannot pm me or send me nonsense on 200. End of problem. HiTech gave us a solution. Use it.
Some players witness internet lag and other internet related things like a plane or tank warping and immediately think the other player is cheating when they die. CORD PULLER is often shouted on range or country channel :D. There is nothing any of us can do about that. Squelch their text and ignore them.
We have players as far away as New Zealand or Australia and they often take 3 or 4 seconds to blow up, and it seems they were able to get their shot off even though you saw them explode. What they saw on their screen is not what you saw on your screen at the very same instance. Players that use satellite to connect to the game also display lots of latency and loss of packets and they appear to warp allot. Those player often think that you are cheating because of what they saw on their monitor. I connect to the game with a fiber optic connection that has great download and upload speeds but there are allot of hops (internet nodes) between the AH server and my isp so even with a good connect I sometimes experience loss of packets and once in awhile I disco because the internet burped somewhere.
Don't let the rotten apples ruin the game for you. Squelch instead. Have fun. :aok
My two cents.
:salute
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2018, 01:28:08 PM
I like channel 200 overall. There are lots of friendly players to chat with.
On the other hand, there are couple players that routinely call me a cheat.....so I use the squelch text by right clicking on their call-sign on the roster. They cannot pm me or send me nonsense on 200. End of problem. HiTech gave us a solution. Use it.
Perhaps a permanent squelch list would be a better solution than removing ch200 entirely. And in the scores, have a ranking of most squelched players to shame them. :lol
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
I like channel 200 overall. There are lots of friendly players to chat with.
On the other hand, there are couple players that routinely call me a cheat.....so I use the squelch text by right clicking on their call-sign on the roster. They cannot pm me or send me nonsense on 200. End of problem. HiTech gave us a solution. Use it.
Perhaps a permanent squelch list would be a better solution than removing ch200 entirely. And is the scores, have a ranking of most squelched players to shame them. :lol
Agreed. Seems to me if they're looking at turfing 200, it would be a better move to introduce permasquelch instead, so as to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just my $0.02.
Wiley.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SilverZ06 on December 13, 2018, 01:52:34 PM
Give this experiment time, it's been obvious this would happen as Hitech hemorrhaged new first day customers with AH3. Along with constant horrible reviews out in the real world of how toxic we have become in our years of treating outsiders and each other like garbage. This game centered on the MA as the core of the game cannot survive if it continues to be a culture of grown men sharing by communicating with virtual flame throwers for everything and nothing. It's now a reflexive response out of many over almost anything.
In our day yes, roasting people through smack talk on ch1 then ch200 was as much the game as shooting them in a furball. Then adding chest thumping on top of it after cheap shot shooting them from their blind side. Online all of us know many feel no need to limit themselves becasue there is nothing to loose on the anonymous Internet. Today AH3 is at a cross roads and based on responses in this post, many don't care, and are attacking Hitech's action to save his company with the same rancor as they treat customers new and old in the MA. Hitech has a business to run and needs new customers. At this point AH3 has become like a once popular bar that needs to attract a younger clientele to keep the doors open. While the regulars of many years feel they own the place and drive away anyone checking out their dump.
And yes it's obvious AH has been one of the few places left for some to not feel controlled by this modern PC language and thought policed society. While spending time in the company of the like minded who hate that phenomenon. Aside from the poor conduct issues on 200, it tends to be dominated by exclusivity and outright exclusion while it's supposed to be open to all of Hitech's customers. It's always been dysfunctional in that respect while the common response is always "don't tune to it" by it's favored sons. It is provided to "all" of Hitech's customers while devolving into a clique domain.
Being good customers does not entitle us to destroy Hitech's business becasue we want it to stay a familiar comfortable place for us.
I hate to break it to you but the reason players don't stay is not because of channel 200. A couple weeks ago I was helping a first day squeaker try to take off in a set of bombers. Once I found out what field he was at I upped a plane next to him to help him via vox vs trying to type over the help channel. His first two observations to me were 1) how the graphics were horrible compared to WoW that he had been flying on, and 2) The lack of enemies/players on at the time. It also didn't help that about 3 minutes after he took off and was flying the war was won and he was booted off the server and had no idea why. Those are the real issues of the game. Even with AH3 the graphics are still a decade behind other games out. A lack of players is also a huge deterrent. It gets boring flying for 5 or even 10 minutes to find any action and then to get killed right away as a newbie is just not fun. Blocking 200 is just putting a band aid over a shotgun wound.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 13, 2018, 02:03:07 PM
Silver, did you mention to that new 1st day player at the time the "war was won" message popped up that the arena was fixing to be reset? There used to be a time limit allotted for people to try and land before the arena reset... I am assuming that it is still the same
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 13, 2018, 02:14:09 PM
AH has taught me a lot about how to deal with online bullies and be tough, which I think is important today. The thing about AH that separates it from the pack is that the community is all in one place so you really get to "know" their online personalities. We are in a combat game of skill where tentions and emotions can run high. In AH, there's a lot more focus on chat than in most other games. I believe that there should be more of a mod effort to cut down on bad behavior. I don't know if taking out 200 will help anything. But, being it's a choice for gamers to enter into 200, I don't think it should be taken out. If anything, PMs should be takin out as they are private and cannot be regulated, there by opening the opportunity for bad mouthing and spying.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Lusche on December 13, 2018, 02:19:27 PM
Silver, did you mention to that new 1st day player at the time the "war was won" message popped up that the arena was fixing to be reset? There used to be a time limit allotted for people to try and land before the arena reset... I am assuming that it is still the same
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"The war has been won" is easy to miss for a new player, because it doesn't pop up but just scrolls away in the text buffer. Only the final disconnect message pops up.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: CptTrips on December 13, 2018, 02:26:58 PM
Agreed. Seems to me if they're looking at turfing 200, it would be a better move to introduce permasquelch instead, so as to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just my $0.02.
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away....... https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,12250.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,12250.0.html)
:rofl
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Wiley on December 13, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away....... https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,12250.0.html (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,12250.0.html)
:rofl
Heh! I've brought it up a time or two myself. HT's explained why he didn't. By the look of it he may have adjusted his opinion.
Wiley.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: bustr on December 13, 2018, 03:00:38 PM
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It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.
Most of you are telling everyone the solution is to de-tune 200, so Hitech really should give it back. Because you just know we will play nice after this 10,000th attempt by Hitech to rein us in. And the previous 9,999 times the same things were said by this community and promised to Hitech if he would just leave us alone. And the same player during one of the more recent rounds said the same thing about how bad these things are in other games so get over it. And the same cast of characters are verbatim saying the same things to Hitech they always say. Using anecdotal evidence, then finally agreeing everyone who can't take the heat just de-tune 200 and all will be OK. A new development at least is pointing out country text and VOX is just as toxic as ch200. Hitech didn't go there, you gents just volunteered it and I can verify after almost 20 years in this game, you are telling the truth.
All is not OK and it is us who are causing reviews like the one in quotes Hitech shared that are the norm now when strangers describe our game. The new game about to be released in January on Steam if you check that site, is one way to distance new customers from old dysfunctional customers while Hitech figures out how to change things in AH3 to save it from itself. I suspect ch200 is only an initial step.
Once in AH2 the MA was split becasue the community was too large and promoted a vile environment becasue it exceeded Dunbar's number. Too many players disassociated the community from itself removing the peer pressure of knowing everyone in the community which acts as a curb on negative behavior and impulses. On the opposite end of that, small insular communities with no outside input will normalize bad behavior and defend it from outsiders with that bad behavior to keep the comfort of the status quo. This is what Hitech is facing today and for him it translates into paying his bills and providing for his family. I've been wondering when he would start doing something like this.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: FLOOB on December 13, 2018, 03:46:36 PM
AH is the most civil online gaming community I’ve ever been in, way nicer than aw even. AH doesn’t have a toxic community as these malcontents would have people believe. That review you quoted is ridiculous and exaggerated.
“They seem nice until you get to know them and then you realize that they’re psychopaths!!”
C’mon man. Your going to take that review seriously.
And the number one reason people quit multiplayer games is (drum roll)... “Every one is a jerk!”
Don’t fall for the hype.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2018, 03:51:59 PM
Come on fellas. It is not a big deal.... and if we can show a little maturity about, I bet it will be opened again.
Not judging as i am just as guilty as anyone else of not being perfect. In fact my loving wife keeps quite the list so i never forget.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: noman on December 13, 2018, 04:31:04 PM
75% of the people complaining on 200 are because of getting hoed. After 12 years in the game it is the same broke record whining about hoes. It takes 2 people to get into position to hoe. Take your :ahand and piss off.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 13, 2018, 04:45:34 PM
75% of the people complaining on 200 are because of getting hoed. After 12 years in the game it is the same broke record whining about hoes. It takes 2 people to get into position to hoe. Take your :ahand and piss off.
A pitcher and a receiver. Oh nevermind... different type.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 13, 2018, 05:55:20 PM
Got on tonight and flew one mission. 200 being disabled really took something away from the game for me. Oh well. Like anything else I’ll adapt. :salute
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 13, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Oldman731 on December 13, 2018, 07:33:12 PM
AH is the most civil online gaming community I’ve ever been in, way nicer than aw even. AH doesn’t have a toxic community as these malcontents would have people believe. That review you quoted is ridiculous and exaggerated.
“They seem nice until you get to know them and then you realize that they’re psychopaths!!”
C’mon man. Your going to take that review seriously.
And the number one reason people quit multiplayer games is (drum roll)... “Every one is a jerk!”
Don’t fall for the hype.
...well...but...he was right, about the psychopath part, I mean.
(looks nervously around him)
...no one else has noticed...?
- oldman
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: LilMak on December 13, 2018, 07:50:30 PM
Well darn. I can’t collect on the bet I won now. Must’ve been a HT shade I schooled in that ridiculously overmodeled Brewster.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: JOACH1M on December 13, 2018, 08:03:35 PM
Removing 200 cross country chat is insane. Nobody is forcing you to tune into it besides yourself. Its as easy as 3 clicks and you won't ever see 200 chat again.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: usvi on December 13, 2018, 08:21:33 PM
Please change everything I request and never change anything I don't request. Thank you have a nice day.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: atlau on December 13, 2018, 08:46:39 PM
How about everyone post a good review about AH:)
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: rvflyer on December 13, 2018, 08:49:54 PM
I hear "cord puller" all of the time, is there anyone here that actually knows someone that has done this successfully?
I like channel 200 overall. There are lots of friendly players to chat with.
On the other hand, there are couple players that routinely call me a cheat.....so I use the squelch text by right clicking on their call-sign on the roster. They cannot pm me or send me nonsense on 200. End of problem. HiTech gave us a solution. Use it.
Some players witness internet lag and other internet related things like a plane or tank warping and immediately think the other player is cheating when they die. CORD PULLER is often shouted on range or country channel :D. There is nothing any of us can do about that. Squelch their text and ignore them.
We have players as far away as New Zealand or Australia and they often take 3 or 4 seconds to blow up, and it seems they were able to get their shot off even though you saw them explode. What they saw on their screen is not what you saw on your screen at the very same instance. Players that use satellite to connect to the game also display lots of latency and loss of packets and they appear to warp allot. Those player often think that you are cheating because of what they saw on their monitor. I connect to the game with a fiber optic connection that has great download and upload speeds but there are allot of hops (internet nodes) between the AH server and my isp so even with a good connect I sometimes experience loss of packets and once in awhile I disco because the internet burped somewhere.
Don't let the rotten apples ruin the game for you. Squelch instead. Have fun. :aok
My two cents.
:salute
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: 8thJinx on December 13, 2018, 09:54:09 PM
I hear "cord puller" all of the time, is there anyone here that actually knows someone that has done this successfully?
Of course there is. Certain M-18's and panthers seem to magically tower out when you get them turreted. I've sent six rounds into some of these, inside of 1000 yards, got them smoking, and then they up and disappear. Stay in the area long enough, and you'll figure who it was. Then just get them smoking again, see them disappear, and then look at the roster and the player is magically no longer on line. But give him a minute to log back in, and he pops up again in the area.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 13, 2018, 10:14:28 PM
Removing 200 cross country chat is insane. Nobody is forcing you to tune into it besides yourself. Its as easy as 3 clicks and you won't ever see 200 chat again.
/discussion
:cheers:
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: pembquist on December 13, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Of course there is. Certain M-18's and panthers seem to magically tower out when you get them turreted. I've sent six rounds into some of these, inside of 1000 yards, got them smoking, and then they up and disappear. Stay in the area long enough, and you'll figure who it was. Then just get them smoking again, see them disappear, and then look at the roster and the player is magically no longer on line. But give him a minute to log back in, and he pops up again in the area.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 13, 2018, 10:33:30 PM
I enjoyed the peace and quite. Come on we all know how toxic 200 could get, and we all know about the nasty PM's. While I miss being able to communicate with friends in the other countries, I'll adapt.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Razzor 479th on December 13, 2018, 11:22:05 PM
Simply detuning 200 is not the answer. 200 serves as a in game forum if you will that allows those from different sides to say hi to each other, compliment others and display some seriously twisted humor. :rofl I usually have 200 on so I can benefit from the positive aspects of 200. Unfortunately it seems like 15 to 20% of the comments on 200 are positive, while the remaining 80 to 85% are negative. Many of the negative comments are vicious. We may want to kid ourselves and say the guy who posted the negative comment on steam (one of many) is just too weak or thin skinned, but he was fairly accurate in his description of what the situation in the game is like. So it seems HiTech has a few choices: 1. Give back 200 and nothing changes and more players get fed up and leave or new ones won't put up with it, 2. Don't give back 200 and some players might leave, but probably not as many as would with choice #1, or 3. Heavily monitor 200 and boot a lot of whiners and flamers, but takes time and money to babysit supposed adults. I really don't know what the answer is, but I applaud HiTech for the effort to find a solution to this issue.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Ciaphas on December 14, 2018, 01:01:47 AM
AH is the most civil online gaming community I’ve ever been in, way nicer than aw even. AH doesn’t have a toxic community as these malcontents would have people believe. That review you quoted is ridiculous and exaggerated.
“They seem nice until you get to know them and then you realize that they’re psychopaths!!”
C’mon man. Your going to take that review seriously.
And the number one reason people quit multiplayer games is (drum roll)... “Every one is a jerk!”
Don’t fall for the hype.
If people read these types if reviews and make decisions based off if these reviews, He has no choice but to take them serious. It's easy for us to brush them aside as we don't depend on a growing player base to pay our bills.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: fd ski on December 14, 2018, 02:51:33 AM
What happen with people who had a right to mute others for posting stupid stuff ?
Personally i'm not bothered by 200 banter. When it gets too retarded - i detune it. But i do like the option of being able to chat with my friends from other countries, comment on a fight with someone, etc.
Maybe we could go back to the times when few "reasonable" and unnamed community members can mute the morons posting "ur totally tubular cheater" stuff on 200 ?
As for the client review - i doubt that it was a new player. I found most people very helpful for those identified as new players.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SPKmes on December 14, 2018, 04:58:30 AM
well...without 200...I am lonely..... only play a small amount but really do miss the jibbing and ribbing......not sure about how I am feeling about it..... definitely leaning to the had enough of this pansy pants world view on things ....
oh well back to my lonely climb out.... only one team mate to chat to at present
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SPKmes on December 14, 2018, 05:01:34 AM
Pffft in the time I spent typing that above....I am now the only one on side.......
I think I may go mad
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: CptTrips on December 14, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
oh well back to my lonely climb out.... only one team mate to chat to at present
Perhaps the real problem is the pace of action is so slow you have to kill time with a chat-room. ;)
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 14, 2018, 10:26:10 AM
You know I see some of you be moaning the closing of 200 but no one actually touching on the real problem that caused it's closing (temporary?). Folks literally being jerks. Finding cutesy ways of typing F off or suck my male parts, or worse and done in a way that a mod can't really do anything about it. However an intelligent human being can understand what is being said. (Some actual 200 offenders I see in this thread right now) and that type of crap is just not healthy for this game. The community was not self policing so now Hitech is. I get it. It is a step in the right direction and I hope it helps clean up the cess pool.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Puma44 on December 14, 2018, 10:38:09 AM
You know I see some of you be moaning the closing of 200 but no one actually touching on the real problem that caused it's closing (temporary?). Folks literally being jerks. Finding cutesy ways of typing F off or suck my male parts, or worse and done in a way that a mod can't really do anything about it. However an intelligent human being can understand what is being said. (Some actual 200 offenders I see in this thread right now) and that type of crap is just not healthy for this game. The community was not self policing so now Hitech is. I get it. It is a step in the right direction and I hope it helps clean up the cess pool.
I self policed ch 200 years ago by detuning it. Pretty simple. So much so that offenders have forced HiTech’s hand.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: 100Coogn on December 14, 2018, 10:46:43 AM
I think the penalty for abusing channel 200 should have been much more severe. A three-strike and out rule for example.
Coogan
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Lusche on December 14, 2018, 10:53:14 AM
Finding cutesy ways of typing F off or suck my male parts, or worse and done in a way that a mod can't really do anything about it. However an intelligent human being can understand what is being said.
Confused mod with bot? ;)
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 14, 2018, 12:25:56 PM
Could be either really. A mod is somewhat subjective.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SAJ73 on December 14, 2018, 01:19:57 PM
Thank you HT, for ruining the game completely. I understand that some people have problems being grown ups, or some have trolling issues.. But for me a huge chunk of social bit has been chipped away, I have made friends in game over the years.. And communicating with them, just being able to say hello, or just talk about the great fight we just had.. All that is gone now. I can tell allready after a few hours of playing now, that I am not liking this at all!
There have to be some other way to stop the smacktalk, without ruining the social aspect of playing a game amongst friends.. And regarding the pm's.. There's got to be a huge bug somewhere, because I get pm's from people across countries, but I can not reply back to them with a pm. ?? People must think I am being a Dbag or just plain rude for not replying to a friendly comment. :furious
Sort this sheize out, or I'm gone! :mad:
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Bizman on December 14, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
It's up again.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SAJ73 on December 14, 2018, 01:41:54 PM
Q: Why did the Norwegian take a ladder with him to the supermarket? A: Because he'd heard the food prices in Oslo were extremely high.
Q: Why did the Norwegian crawl on the floor through the supermarket? A: Because they're looking for the low prices.
Q: Why do Norwegian garbage trucks drive so fast? A: The drivers are scared of getting robbed.
Q: Why did the Norwegian bring a rolled-up piece of sandpaper to the desert? A: Thought it was a map.
Q: How do you sink a Norwegian submarine? A: Scuba-dive down and knock on the door.
Q: How do you sink a Norwegian submarine again? A: Dive down and knock on the door again. Wait for them to open the window and say, "You aren't fooling us this time!"
Q: How do you sink a Danish submarine? A: Dive down and knock on the window. Wait for them to open the door and say, "Come on, who do you take us for? Norwegians?"
Q: How do you sink a Swedish submarine? A: Give it a Norwegian crew.
Q: How do you say "genius" in Norway? A: Tourist.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mano on December 14, 2018, 02:12:02 PM
Let's try it for awhile and see how it goes. I definitely miss chatting with my buddies in the other countries but, if getting rid of the toxic 200 commentators makes AH a better environment for everyone then let us go for it.
:salute
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: SPKmes on December 14, 2018, 02:12:10 PM
Thank you HT, for ruining the game completely. I understand that some people have problems being grown ups, or some have trolling issues.. But for me a huge chunk of social bit has been chipped away, I have made friends in game over the years.. And communicating with them, just being able to say hello, or just talk about the great fight we just had.. All that is gone now. I can tell allready after a few hours of playing now, that I am not liking this at all!
There have to be some other way to stop the smacktalk, without ruining the social aspect of playing a game amongst friends.. And regarding the pm's.. There's got to be a huge bug somewhere, because I get pm's from people across countries, but I can not reply back to them with a pm. ?? People must think I am being a Dbag or just plain rude for not replying to a friendly comment. :furious
Sort this sheize out, or I'm gone! :mad:
I found out last night that .p <gameid> still works for communication across countries....so it is still possible to talk to others....just can't have a group hug moment.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: BBQsam on December 14, 2018, 02:25:37 PM
200 is back up. Hitech said it would only be down for a couple of days, they were running some sort of test.
Here Hitech and Skuzzy reading TheStigs complaint above:
Perhaps the real problem is the pace of action is so slow you have to kill time with a chat-room. ;)
That is a big draw for me with this game...shooting the breeze with fellow players....I am one of those country hopper type guys.... Unfortunately in the fickle world we live in and the egos that have been hurt here bad reviews are a systemic issue for AH (or any game where people get butthurt) ... We the players for sure don't help things with the hyperbole we type sometimes but new players are not subjected to 200 unless they are told about it.... perhaps a strong set of rules that are adhered to and mods that are consistent ... sometimes there is a definite favoritism shown....
The other side of things isn't actually 200...it is the PMs.... these are way more toxic and a system of reporting is needed....not sure if it can be done but a simple reporting feature that can be used to capture the PM...alll of them if there is an exchange and send it off for review...AI or not..more work making such a tool for sure...this feature wouldn't stop things immediately unless key words are used and a cross country ban (and arenas .P still works) ... I have seen many instances of 200 blowing up because of PMs and one person wants it public....
the big problem with all I have typed above is I can't talk computer so have no idea of practicality of it ... I do know that the main culprits still have a voice ..a way to communicate and berate.... and us that like the community tool have to just wear it.... I have usually been neither here nor there on changes to the game as it is not my game...I don't put the working hours into it...but this one has struck a nerve...oh dear poor me hahahaha
Cross country chatter is a great part of this game.... with it gone the game atmosphere has changed for me
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: guncrasher on December 14, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
I think we got set up by hitech for the last few weeks. there's been a lot of political and normally not allowed talk on 200 in the past month or so without so much as a warning from moderators. actually some of the players would tell the rest the rest of us to cut out the non sense talk.
all of a sudden i got a warning 2 days ago for saying for saying a certain player was a "d". the number 1 rule of the game has always been not to be a "d". not that I always follow it. just had never been warned before for saying it and that was on country chanel about another player in another country.
semp
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: BBQsam on December 14, 2018, 02:54:03 PM
Tong's computer is a bit old, so his AH MA has rather bad lag, also he lives a LONG way from Texas, not his fault 200 wasn't working for him.
I found out last night that .p <gameid> still works for communication across countries....so it is still possible to talk to others....just can't have a group hug moment.
I think thats the one that needs work. They should set it up much like the "join" window. The players getting the private message has to accept the massage. Or can ignore it and let the haters hit a stone wall. 200 is tuned by the players and they should know what they "could" be getting into, but PMs from someone you dont want to talk to still show up and that first message could be filled with all kinds of hate.
I think HTC should have more MODs and they should be more strict on what is allowed and what isnt. A couple months of the biggest mouths losing privileges may slow them down some.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 14, 2018, 04:33:54 PM
I think thats the one that needs work. They should set it up much like the "join" window. The players getting the private message has to accept the massage. Or can ignore it and let the haters hit a stone wall. 200 is tuned by the players and they should know what they "could" be getting into, but PMs from someone you dont want to talk to still show up and that first message could be filled with all kinds of hate.
I think HTC should have more MODs and they should be more strict on what is allowed and what isnt. A couple months of the biggest mouths losing privileges may slow them down some.
“I am here for the massage.”
“The massage?”
“Yes, the massage.”
“Oh! You mean the message?”
“That’s what I have been saying you idiot I am here for the massage!”
:rofl
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUSwjQaxpQ
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 14, 2018, 04:56:30 PM
It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.
I agree. Not that new players leave because of the "dreadful social interactions" but because of the steep learning curve, with the social interactions a minor supporting player. But I do agree that there is a significant # of long term players who seem to find validation in AH by punishing/belittling enemies they dominate, and of course newbs would find that very off-putting. The solution to me is simple, and if I am reading HT right (I like to theorize on limited data) the disabling of 200 was a shot across the bow to the small but vocal minority that love the venue merely in order to beat their chests when victorious.
Imo "shots across the bow" work short term, but actual damage to the hull is necessary long term.
My solution? Mute the players from 200 who are regular toxic contributors to it (and apologies, OP, but you are one of them, and there really aren't that many) but leave it open for everyone else. Give the toxic people an opportunity or two to come back and behave themselves, but ban them for an entire tour if they just don't get the memo. And ban them forever if toxic 200 is their raison d'etre. There is a definite element of truth to what the guy HT quoted posted. But it can be contained with less draconian measures.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: icepac on December 14, 2018, 10:01:03 PM
A lot of people use PM so as not to burden the rest of the arena with disagreeing with another player.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: 100Coogn on December 14, 2018, 10:24:44 PM
(SNIP) what we suggest and what actually happens are 2 different things(SNIP) (SNIP) It would be nice to have a forum where input and suggestions / polls could be used to help make the game and community better as a whole even as a starting point.
What you really mean is what you suggest and what you really want are usually 2 different things.
We have an area on the boards called "Wish List" for suggestions.The game also has a running poll that covers everything possible. It is called subscriptions.
Covered.......
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
Um Guys I got two Toxic PM's from the above player for killing his perked bombers in my perked fighter yesterday. Just any FYI to add flavor to this conversation. The offenders here are just being jerks. They can paint it as unfair circumstances, or playful ribbing, or some other smack talk, but the fact is it's toxic. I have a fairly thick skin and for year's have always just taken a screen shot added the pic of toxic/rage PM's to the Pigs Wall of Shame Rage PM picture gallery on our private Facebook page. Now I am going to report every single toxic PM. Why? Because what if this jerk was firing this off to a new guy or a teen? That's why. I do not want to see people run off by these psycho personalities any longer. I will make Hitech aware each time. So I encourage you each time you feel that I have given you good customer service and you feel the need to make a horrible comment via PM to do so. It will be shared. :aok
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: JunkyII on December 16, 2018, 07:52:34 AM
Not the first time in gaming history, or Aces High history where developers were so disconnected from their community that they made a mistake in a decision on the game.
I'm probably considered one of the most toxic players on 200 and I never went after a "noob" to berate them...where's the skill in that?
The people "picking on noobs" are doing it silently via chat so they keep feeding them easy kills...most of the top 50 in fighter score are the ones you need to blame for "picking on noobs".
Just look at their score and see, if they have killed 1 single person more than 5-10 times a tour, you can assume they were vulching them or damn near.
The only way to stop people from doing that would be change the scoring system so they don't get as rewarded for killing the same person in a sortie.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Oldman731 on December 16, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
They can paint it as unfair circumstances, or playful ribbing, or some other smack talk, but the fact is it's toxic.
Agreed.
Whether you think it's playful or that people should have thicker skins, the fact is that smack talk runs people out of an arena. We saw this happen in the AvA some years ago. It only takes one or two such personalities to have the effect. Calling people ack-runners, HO-tards, pickers, gangers and so on produces resentment, and people leave.
It really is not terribly difficult to be pleasant and sportsman-like.
- oldman
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Puma44 on December 16, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Whether you think it's playful or that people should have thicker skins, the fact is that smack talk runs people out of an arena. We saw this happen in the AvA some years ago. It only takes one or two such personalities to have the effect. Calling people ack-runners, HO-tards, pickers, gangers and so on produces resentment, and people leave.
It really is not terribly difficult to be pleasant and sportsman-like.
- oldman
The player who was toxic and ran off a bunch of players, HTC didn't believe anyone who reported that a new name was said player....disabling 200 isn't going to keep new players longer, only run out old because...
Guess what old guys, MOST GAMERS DONT CARE ABOUT "TOXIC" CRAP...they have dealt with FAR worse toxic communities...
Look at WOW, the most popular clip from that game is a "toxic" player Leroy Jenkins.
CSGO had match fixing...
League of Legends top streamer is known for being TOXIC
Per the logic in this thread POTW is a toxic squad for telling people on 200 for years where we were going and egging people on to defend against it.
Per the logic people spamming FUSS is Toxic
Per the logic people talking politics is toxic.
The list goes on.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 16, 2018, 10:23:54 AM
Singing toxic is toxic.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mongoose on December 16, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
Could someone please explain what all this fuss is about? Real Life issues have kept out of the game for about two weeks. I don't see any announcement about channel 200, just a lot of fuss here. I log in to the game this morning just to check it out, and I see that channel 200 is working as normal. So what gives?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Max on December 16, 2018, 11:11:21 AM
Ch 200 and PM's were deactivated for a couple days; back on now. No fuss.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 16, 2018, 11:25:10 AM
You can de-tune 200...so if you feel it's toxic, detune it. The player who was toxic and ran off a bunch of players, HTC didn't believe anyone who reported that a new name was said player....disabling 200 isn't going to keep new players longer, only run out old because...
Guess what old guys, MOST GAMERS DONT CARE ABOUT "TOXIC" CRAP...they have dealt with FAR worse toxic communities...
Look at WOW, the most popular clip from that game is a "toxic" player Leroy Jenkins.
CSGO had match fixing...
League of Legends top streamer is known for being TOXIC
Per the logic in this thread POTW is a toxic squad for telling people on 200 for years where we were going and egging people on to defend against it.
Per the logic people spamming FUSS is Toxic
Per the logic people talking politics is toxic.
The list goes on.
Junky I want to be clear what I talking about. This particular player was PMing me telling me I am a POS (piece of waste), and a male reproductive organ. All for playing the game. Now I used to laugh it off and I still will , and I still will add it to the Pigs FaceBook wall of Shame, but I will report it in a effort to clean it up. This sort of toxic communication on 200 and via PM has to go. It is simply not good for the game. Saying you suck or fly like a noob is one thing, this is something else entirely and will run off new players and is totally inappropriate if sent or viewed by a younger player.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: The Fugitive on December 16, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
Could someone please explain what all this fuss is about? Real Life issues have kept out of the game for about two weeks. I don't see any announcement about channel 200, just a lot of fuss here. I log in to the game this morning just to check it out, and I see that channel 200 is working as normal. So what gives?
Hitech turned off 200 as a test. The reason he gave was due to "reviews" like the one quoted below.
He has since turned on all communication to be like it was before. The "fuss" is everyone posting their opinions on the good and bad of cross country comms, and possible solutions to fix what some believe are "problems.
A review of Aces High. It is a good simulation but there are a low number of players and many of them have dreadful attitudes towards other players. For example there is a high level of superficial charm but after a while the real personalities start to come through and then you realise there is something very wrong with many of these people and you are probably dealing with an unusually high proportion of psychopaths. There are no new players and when they do get new players, they tend to leave very quickly because of the dreadful social interactions. When these problems are raised in the community they are denied and burried. The community argues that their community is friendly and supportive: let me make this very clear, they are friendly and supportive of each other but not outsiders. Having said all that, there are some decent human beings in the game but they generally let the psychopaths ruin it for the nice people, probably because they do not want to be attacked like the other victims.So if you can handle personality disorders and you like to fly a very well built air combat simulation then go for it.
HiTech
Personally, I think comparing this games "toxicity" level with other games is foolish. HTC should set their "standard" and stick with it. If they want if "church goer" friendly then that is how they are going to have to gear it and everyone will have to adapt.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 16, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
Junky, quit talking about "my generation"!
LOL
Fugi, you went to far with the "church-goer" ....just saying
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: pembquist on December 16, 2018, 11:39:53 AM
200 is like the weather, sometimes it is pleasant other times it is like a hurricane of stupid and mean. Personally nobody ever says anything nasty to me, (prolly cause I'm reasonably inept,) but I do detune it when it starts taking up excessive text buffer space with gibberish. There is no call for Nasty PMs and I think it is fair to expect people to control themselves in that case. Maybe a little more leeway for 200 as you have to tune it in and generally your foolishness is on public display.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 16, 2018, 11:56:41 AM
Someone has to know to tune 200. That so called review was most likely written by someone who was banned from the boards.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 16, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
The moral of this story is simply that one should never be where one does not belong,
So when you see your neighbor carrying something, help them with his load...
And don't go mistaking Paradise for that home across the road!
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mongoose on December 16, 2018, 04:13:21 PM
Yes - that's right and I'll happily admit it was me Waystin. I didn't know you were so fragile...but then again that's the society we live in nowadays where you need a participation trophy just for showing up. So go ahead and add that to your wall of shame.
I have no problem with being squelched - and in fact I welcome it if an individual doesn't want to see my PM's. But using the extreme of getting chat fully disabled where you can no longer chat on country, 200, PM, even so much as send a salute - that's just plain wrong.
As I said if you look at the root of the toxicity it's from the crap gameplay (beating one country to submission with few bases left...one country having to fly basically paper airplanes while guys running around in perk planes, 20 guys vulching over a field when they've already been beaten down, and the list goes on...) and the over the top mods that happens that causes the frustration yet no one bothers to look at that.
No matter - I'm likely done after this weekend because I don't need another parent to tell me what is right and wrong. If you can't take some comments and get offended by it use the squelch.
Thats the point hes trying to make. If YOU cant keep your cool and NOT blow up with PMs to anyone then someone MUST step in and take control. Admit it, you were the aggressor. It doesnt matter whether Waystin is soft skinned or not, YOU shouldnt have the ability to mouth off to another play just because your ticked off.
Might be time to grow up.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mano on December 16, 2018, 08:30:29 PM
IN
(Before the lock)
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 16, 2018, 09:04:17 PM
The way you described that you don't need another parent to tell you right from wrong makes me wonder if you might be using your Dad's account for in-game and on the AH BBS, since "Electoman" has been on these message boards since 2001!
Something has definitely changed
Just thought that I should point that out
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 16, 2018, 09:07:08 PM
Yes - that's right and I'll happily admit it was me Waystin. I didn't know you were so fragile...but then again that's the society we live in nowadays where you need a participation trophy just for showing up. So go ahead and add that to your wall of shame.
I have no problem with being squelched - and in fact I welcome it if an individual doesn't want to see my PM's. But using the extreme of getting chat fully disabled where you can no longer chat on country, 200, PM, even so much as send a salute - that's just plain wrong.
As I said if you look at the root of the toxicity it's from the crap gameplay (beating one country to submission with few bases left...one country having to fly basically paper airplanes while guys running around in perk planes, 20 guys vulching over a field when they've already been beaten down, and the list goes on...) and the over the top mods that happens that causes the frustration yet no one bothers to look at that.
No matter - I'm likely done after this weekend because I don't need another parent to tell me what is right and wrong. If you can't take some comments and get offended by it use the squelch.
After your post it is obvious this game will be much better after this weekend.
The common denominator in your problems is you.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Puma44 on December 16, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
Yep! Definitely in!
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Meatwad on December 16, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
Yes - that's right and I'll happily admit it was me Waystin. I didn't know you were so fragile...but then again that's the society we live in nowadays where you need a participation trophy just for showing up. So go ahead and add that to your wall of shame.
I have no problem with being squelched - and in fact I welcome it if an individual doesn't want to see my PM's. But using the extreme of getting chat fully disabled where you can no longer chat on country, 200, PM, even so much as send a salute - that's just plain wrong.
As I said if you look at the root of the toxicity it's from the crap gameplay (beating one country to submission with few bases left...one country having to fly basically paper airplanes while guys running around in perk planes, 20 guys vulching over a field when they've already been beaten down, and the list goes on...) and the over the top mods that happens that causes the frustration yet no one bothers to look at that.
No matter - I'm likely done after this weekend because I don't need another parent to tell me what is right and wrong. If you can't take some comments and get offended by it use the squelch.
Thats like listening to someone in a store loudly cuss and drop F bombs in normal conversation, then get extremely upset when told to stop because they dont have the mental capacity to know that it is unacceptable to be doing that in public
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Electroman on December 17, 2018, 12:32:01 AM
And so it begins...
Y'all have a nice day :x :ahand
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: rvflyer on December 17, 2018, 03:24:32 AM
Easy fix would be to stop X-country PMs. That would stop the majority of calling people names in PMs and most people, not all, do not want to look like complete morons in front of their countrymen. There are already filters for filtering out most of the words that offend people. If someone still feels the need to call out someone they would have to do it in public and hopefully the community would take care of the problem. I think it would also do away with some of the spying and giving information to the other side by PMs.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 17, 2018, 03:53:48 AM
Actually the simple fix would be to follow the rules and AH TOS, which most never pay attention to
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Copprhed on December 17, 2018, 05:22:49 AM
Yes - that's right and I'll happily admit it was me Waystin. I didn't know you were so fragile...but then again that's the society we live in nowadays where you need a participation trophy just for showing up. So go ahead and add that to your wall of shame.
I have no problem with being squelched - and in fact I welcome it if an individual doesn't want to see my PM's. But using the extreme of getting chat fully disabled where you can no longer chat on country, 200, PM, even so much as send a salute - that's just plain wrong.
As I said if you look at the root of the toxicity it's from the crap gameplay (beating one country to submission with few bases left...one country having to fly basically paper airplanes while guys running around in perk planes, 20 guys vulching over a field when they've already been beaten down, and the list goes on...) and the over the top mods that happens that causes the frustration yet no one bothers to look at that.
No matter - I'm likely done after this weekend because I don't need another parent to tell me what is right and wrong. If you can't take some comments and get offended by it use the squelch.
I never tune 200, but have gotten plenty of whines accusing me of the gamut of things that rude players who aren't worth the money they pay to play throw out to excuse their worthlessness. HiTech, do you really need the $15 of people like this? I say if they are chronic insulters, they should get a suspension and then if they are still the little worms that they seem to insist on being, run them off. By the way,electroman, if you have parents who are telling you right and wrong, you SURE AS HELL never listened.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Max on December 17, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
Only problem is that prevents friends, who wish to text one on one, from doing so. Now there is a .report chat but I believe it takes 7 players to effect the mute of an offending player. Perhaps HTC could provide a .report for PMs as well...3 reports and a automatic 1 week squelch goes into effect. As with the .report chat, any misuse results in the mute of the offender.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: waystin2 on December 17, 2018, 09:48:22 AM
It was never a soft skinned issue on my part. I always laughed at these guys because it means I got under their skin. Then I had an epiphany one day as I was sitting there with not a red guy in sight, and nothing to do in game and I thought where did all the people go (thinking back to the old Titanic Tuesdays :)). What would it take to get more folks here? What does it take to retain new players? This game is highly social. I learned everything I know through social channels-flying, driving, bombing, etc. If the interactions a new player has are crap, they are going leave, or they are going to be the new generation of crap player. 99% of the time I bet they leave. I don't want that to happen. I would like them to come here, and I would like to them to stay. Anything I see to the contrary will be called out from this point on. I welcome friendly PM's! But if you want to toss Toxic, get ready for the report until the cows come home. You are not welcome here. No more squelch from me.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 09:48:30 AM
I never tune 200, but have gotten plenty of whines accusing me of the gamut of things that rude players who aren't worth the money they pay to play throw out to excuse their worthlessness. HiTech, do you really need the $15 of people like this? I say if they are chronic insulters, they should get a suspension and then if they are still the little worms that they seem to insist on being, run them off. By the way,electroman, if you have parents who are telling you right and wrong, you SURE AS HELL never listened.
I always called you trigger happy when shooting me down. At least in my mind.
:rofl. :aok
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: lunaticfringe on December 17, 2018, 10:14:43 AM
people keep saying just detune 200-detuning 200 doesn't fix or solve anything, it still go's on. the 200 channel can be a fun thing funny stories-jokes, conversations, etc. those players who spill toxic trash at other players, noob or veteran. HiTech and his Mods need to get tougher on the abbreviated words-and it's not hard to figure out what they spell into. I'm no snowflake I'm not too sensitive to get my feelings hurt, it needs to stop. not just for me, for other players as well for the male players the female players the kids that might watching and listening to their parents play. until the 1st day of the cross country chat was turned off, I only reported 1 player in 10 years-now I have done so 5 or 6 time and will continue to do so. I don't want to get anybody banned but there is no reason for being mean and nasty to other players in a cartoon game with unlimited aircraft and unlimited lives. but can make friends for life here. when I see returning players come back I tell them welcome back, no matter what country they fly for. if I get a bunch of kills in a gv or a plane and don't get to land them I don't cuss them out on 200 or by pm I just re up, simple as that, bravado and trash talk is one thing, calling people names, is bad.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT SO LETS CUT IT OUT
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 12:10:18 PM
people keep saying just detune 200-detuning 200 doesn't fix or solve anything, it still go's on. the 200 channel can be a fun thing funny stories-jokes, conversations, etc. those players who spill toxic trash at other players, noob or veteran. HiTech and his Mods need to get tougher on the abbreviated words-and it's not hard to figure out what they spell into. I'm no snowflake I'm not too sensitive to get my feelings hurt, it needs to stop. not just for me, for other players as well for the male players the female players the kids that might watching and listening to their parents play. until the 1st day of the cross country chat was turned off, I only reported 1 player in 10 years-now I have done so 5 or 6 time and will continue to do so. I don't want to get anybody banned but there is no reason for being mean and nasty to other players in a cartoon game with unlimited aircraft and unlimited lives. but can make friends for life here. when I see returning players come back I tell them welcome back, no matter what country they fly for. if I get a bunch of kills in a gv or a plane and don't get to land them I don't cuss them out on 200 or by pm I just re up, simple as that, bravado and trash talk is one thing, calling people names, is bad.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT SO LETS CUT IT OUT
Question.... are there lunar fleas too?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: puller on December 17, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Luni is cracking me up....
Lol....don't rage quit bro...
ROFLMFAO....
SMDH
CMSU
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: bustr on December 17, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Is the ch200 experiment over with then?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: 100Coogn on December 17, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
I don't believe I've ever seen the OP's first post in a thread get a Rule #4, yet here we are...
Coogan
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Shuffler on December 17, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
Come on now. Lunatic is ok.His basic beef is right on.... language can definitely limit new folks in the game. No matter if it is because of age or personal taste.
Just another of many things we can work on to help the game. That is for folks who wish to help.
You are buying a new truck. It has a scratch and dent. How many scratches and dents before you decide it isn't worth it?
Yeah, but a lot of the ideas the game is built around assume new players will be confused and scared by such ideas as "voice chat" and "text chat". The average potential player these days is likely going to be a metric buttload more sophisticated than they were when the system was created.
Wiley.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mongoose on December 17, 2018, 03:16:11 PM
its a freekin truck … its going to have scratches and dents or it wasn't used as a truck!!
I said new truck... :D
Of course once I get a new truck it will have scratches and dents as I use it as a truck. My current DD is a 2005 2500HD Diesel built and tuned to 500hp at the rear wheels( when in 2WD). 6" lift, 37x22x14s... white with more than it's share of ummm patina and 199k miles.
I drive my vehicles for quite awhile before I buy another.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Max on December 17, 2018, 04:26:35 PM
I don't believe I've ever seen the OP's first post in a thread get a Rule #4, yet here we are...
Coogan
Rumor has it that Skuzzy's still in a coma thanks to the holiday office party. He'll be back in a day or 2 :devil
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 17, 2018, 05:23:52 PM
“This one has gone off the rails.”
*CLICK*
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: flippz on December 17, 2018, 09:41:01 PM
200 isn’t the new guy not staying issue. It’s the intolerable fights in the am when one side is crippled in the am with 25 eny planes and are chasing typhys and 190s until the European side logs on then it’s a steady gang bang on one side of which no one will up in. Let’s start with the fact that this game hasn’t had enough players for a few years to warrant a good two sided war, much less a three sided war. Then let’s address the participation trophy spots that were built into the game like field guns and magically appearing wirbs, or the awesome 800 yd main gun shot from a t34 on a spit going about 250. 200 isn’t the issues. It’s the guys that get there feelings hurt when they are continually called out on 200 for running. Or the guy that gets it for upping the wirb at tank town when a good fur ball is going on. Not sure what would happen if you guys had to go out into a new game that didn’t have all these participation awards and there wasn’t a mod that you could go to because they made you fight and picked on you cause you wouldn’t. .report
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: mutha on December 17, 2018, 11:17:04 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: DLXIRON on December 18, 2018, 12:30:17 AM
200 isn’t the new guy not staying issue. It’s the intolerable fights in the am when one side is crippled in the am with 25 eny planes and are chasing typhys and 190s until the European side logs on then it’s a steady gang bang on one side of which no one will up in. Let’s start with the fact that this game hasn’t had enough players for a few years to warrant a good two sided war, much less a three sided war. Then let’s address the participation trophy spots that were built into the game like field guns and magically appearing wirbs, or the awesome 800 yd main gun shot from a t34 on a spit going about 250. 200 isn’t the issues. It’s the guys that get there feelings hurt when they are continually called out on 200 for running. Or the guy that gets it for upping the wirb at tank town when a good fur ball is going on. Not sure what would happen if you guys had to go out into a new game that didn’t have all these participation awards and there wasn’t a mod that you could go to because they made you fight and picked on you cause you wouldn’t. .report
+1
You win the internet today. :cheers: :aok
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 18, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
The question is: Why should any player be subjected to ridicule for using any game features and tactics? The whining and finger pointing by players about another player not playing by their standards are a little childish. Each player is entitled to fly or use any available game features as he/she likes. Players need to quit complaining and berating other players.
One-eye
I agree with your point. I have been subject to plenty of abuse. It's only when I started giving it right back to the bullies that I became "mean" or whatever.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Vraciu on December 18, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
I agree with your point. I have been subject to plenty of abuse. It's only when I started giving it right back to the bullies that I became "mean" or whatever.
That's how it works. But it's still good to hit them back with their own medicine. The great psychological misconception is that "it's okay when I do it, but when they do it to me, it's an outrage"! Also can be used as a tactic. I've learned from AH actually that if people say mean things to you, do it back to them. Or embarrass them. It works. We can't always have mommy put them in time out.
real life vs a game again. In the game nobody dies.Running in a combat game is a waste of everyones time.
That is your opinion. You are free to fly the game as you wish. You are not free to tell other people how they should fly.
Some people want to dive in and mindlessly furball without concern of odds or disadvantage.
Some people want to practice Dicta_Boelcke because it adds an interesting layer of complexity to not just shoot at the first plane in front of you but to continually calculate the odds and rewards of any action and to know when to press the attack and when to deny the enemy the advantage.
Both are perfectly valid ways to play the game. I've had fun doing both from time to time. I'd never be so arrogant as to tell anyone that one way or the other was wrong.
Your mileage may vary.
:salute, CptTrips
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: mutha on December 18, 2018, 11:23:52 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: LilMak on December 18, 2018, 12:13:52 PM
If everyone practiced true fighter pilot Dicta, this game wouldn’t last two weeks. In game it takes little more than patience. Not any appreciable skills.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 18, 2018, 12:26:41 PM
CH200 is still too toxic for the most part, to much profanity. A lot of the talk on 200 if you spoke that in a store or a restaurant, they would ask you to leave, they don't need your money that bad. :embarrassed:
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: CptTrips on December 18, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
If everyone practiced true fighter pilot Dicta, this game wouldn’t last two weeks. In game it takes little more than patience. Not any appreciable skills.
Since the first planes flew online in AW in 1988, there have been a certain percentage who are furballing and a certain percentage that fly the Dicta. There have been a ball of spits and zekes chasing each others tail, and a pack of Dora and Ponies picking at them. The furballers have shook their fists and cursed the fast movers for not coming down from alt and turn fighting them like men! And the Ponies just roll their eyes and keep on doing what they want to do.
Nothing has changed that in the last 30 years, nothing will change that in the next 30 years.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: bustr on December 18, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
In all the years I interacted with Rocky I never knew if he was a Martian or a Trappist Monk. All I knew was he is a friendly guy who fly's a P51. The only person who knew who Rocky is was Rocky. No one in this game knows if I'm a Klingon or a part time Camel Jockey living in Marrakesh. You have to first tell people you are a Martian or a Trappist Monk before they can then decide to treat you badly over your heritage. Who you confide your personal information to will always be rife with risk as we all know from the real world. As for how you choose to express your $14.95 as game strategy, it's your $14.95 and other's opinions don't matter if they are not footing your bill.
Are you choosing to do harm to Hitech Creations in this public forum by retelling this story?
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: Mano on December 18, 2018, 03:11:41 PM
I did not know Rocky left because of racist comments. I hope he changes his mind and comes back. We all miss him. He really is a great guy. It was also, really nice for us GV'ers to have Rocky up there chasing off the bom-turds when we attacked a Vehicle Base.
<S>
Note to self: I thought this thread was finished.
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: guncrasher on December 18, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
If everyone practiced true fighter pilot Dicta, this game wouldn’t last two weeks. In game it takes little more than patience. Not any appreciable skills.
there's different versions worded about this code. these are a couple of rules, i find hilarious by people who oppose them.
4. Attack when the enemy least expects it or when he is preoccupied with other duties such as observation, photography, or bombing.
5. Never turn your back and try to run away from an enemy fighter. If you are surprised by an attack on your tail, turn and face the enemy with your guns.
looks like picking and hoin are part of the dicta rules and yet the whine of those so called "top guns" always cry about them. and dont even forget about keeping your own line of retreat open. meaning, run like hell.
semp
dont forget rule #8, always attack in groups of fours and six. again
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 18, 2018, 03:18:31 PM
ROFL
Title: Re: 200 / Cross Country Chat
Post by: TequilaChaser on December 18, 2018, 03:33:47 PM
That is your opinion. You are free to fly the game as you wish. You are not free to tell other people how they should fly.
Some people want to dive in and mindlessly furball without concern of odds or disadvantage.
Some people want to practice Dicta_Boelcke because it adds an interesting layer of complexity to not just shoot at the first plane in front of you but to continually calculate the odds and rewards of any action and to know when to press the attack and when to deny the enemy the advantage.
Both are perfectly valid ways to play the game. I've had fun doing both from time to time. I'd never be so arrogant as to tell anyone that one way or the other was wrong.
Your mileage may vary.
:salute, CptTrips
Best Reply/Post of this entire thread and it has always been this way from the beginning!