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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on April 26, 2019, 12:45:17 AM
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So tldr...
- NZ has mass shooting
- bunch of guns are banned, basically centerfire semi autos/semi auto shotties/pump action shotties.
- NZ govt commits to a buyback program
Now the Minister of Police manages to through a few comments out about gun owners that are a bit nasty...
In the meantime, neither the Police Minister nor Police would tell Newshub how guns that have already been surrendered are being stored.
"I'm not 100 percent sure, but what I do know is they are stored in a way that is a lot safer than they were before they were handed in," Nash (Police Minister) said.
A week later...
Palmerston North police have been left red-faced after firearms were stolen from their central police station, sparking a manhunt for the alleged offender.
Various properties have since been searched by the armed offenders squad to find the 11 unaccounted-for guns.
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"Eleven firearms which were in an exhibit storage area are currently unaccounted for. I should be clear that these were not police firearms, but were a range of weapons being held as exhibits or handed in for destruction.
Gotta give somes ups to a crim that has the balls to steal guns... from a police station...
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I smell an inside job....where are the surveillance?? A police station???....get outa here....inside job definetly.
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Stupid people doing stupid things. Criminals taking advantage of it.
It is a shame to see a country turn on it's law abiding citizens like that.
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The first and most single important tactic of war is to disarm your enemy. Then to disarm their voice. Why is your own government and country treating you like enemies? Because they know the world is going to find out about their sick coward cabal eventually. They want a race war. They want a religious war. They want a war against police. Anything to stop what's coming for them. New Zealand is the elite cockroaches final home if their plan works. Many have planned to move there. Don't let them take your guns. Don't let them take your voice. Learn that they are using you. Learn their true ideology.
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The first and most single important tactic of war is to disarm your enemy. Then to disarm their voice. Why is your own government and country treating you like enemies? Because they know the world is going to find out about their sick coward cabal eventually. They want a race war. They want a religious war. They want a war against police. Anything to stop what's coming for them. New Zealand is the elite cockroaches final home if their plan works. Many have planned to move there. Don't let them take your guns. Don't let them take your voice. Learn that they are using you. Learn their true ideology.
You are far more correct than incorrect here.
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The first and most single important tactic of war is to disarm your enemy. Then to disarm their voice. Why is your own government and country treating you like enemies? Because they know the world is going to find out about their sick coward cabal eventually. They want a race war. They want a religious war. They want a war against police. Anything to stop what's coming for them. New Zealand is the elite cockroaches final home if their plan works. Many have planned to move there. Don't let them take your guns. Don't let them take your voice. Learn that they are using you. Learn their true ideology.
Even before disarming them is to take away their eyes and ears, i.e. the ability to see you coming. In a conventional type of war that means take away radar and communication. In the current environment, the Islamist lie and deceive in order to appear peaceful as they build numbers and slip into positions of influence.
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Even before disarming them is to take away their eyes and ears, i.e. the ability to see you coming. In a conventional type of war that means take away radar and communication. In the current environment, the Islamist lie and deceive in order to appear peaceful as they build numbers and slip into positions of influence.
That's a really great point! :aok
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The first and most single important tactic of war is to disarm your enemy. Then to disarm their voice. Why is your own government and country treating you like enemies? Because they know the world is going to find out about their sick coward cabal eventually. They want a race war. They want a religious war. They want a war against police. Anything to stop what's coming for them. New Zealand is the elite cockroaches final home if their plan works. Many have planned to move there. Don't let them take your guns. Don't let them take your voice. Learn that they are using you. Learn their true ideology.
The cabal wants race-religious wars. To accomplish this they disarm everyone!
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The first and most single important tactic of war is to disarm your enemy. Then to disarm their voice. Why is your own government and country treating you like enemies? Because they know the world is going to find out about their sick coward cabal eventually. They want a race war. They want a religious war. They want a war against police. Anything to stop what's coming for them. New Zealand is the elite cockroaches final home if their plan works. Many have planned to move there. Don't let them take your guns. Don't let them take your voice. Learn that they are using you. Learn their true ideology.
Yeaahhhh nahhhh.
You need to recognise that our firearms culture is significantly different to the USA. Pistols are a rarity, genuine users of ARs represent a very small group, the majority of gun owners use bolt action. And the majority of them are larger than 223's. The typical kiwi gun owner has a .22lr for bunnies, a centerfire bolt action for deer/goats/pigs, and a shotgun for ducks. We're freely allowed suppressors and have been since forever. And our hunting season is 12/7/365 (not shooting at night!). We don't need permits and can go hunting in our beautiful national parks.
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Reading the comments here made me think I was on infowars for a minute.
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Just ask Australia how it worked out for them.
NZ and Australia are both part of 5 eyes spying. Which means they are part of the globalist coward agenda.
For the love of God I wish people would stop falling for these freaks who use your humanitarian emotions to take advantage of you.
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Just ask Australia how it worked out for them.
By and large, it's worked out great for them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/)
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By and large, it's worked out great for them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/)
Sigh. You just fall for it every time. All of these mass shootings are designed for you to give up your rights out of fear. They are all perpetrated by the NWO agenda. Of course the NWO leaders of Australia would never you want you to have illusion of being free like in America.
Just ask Chicago how gun banning worked out.
Just ask how Venezuela turned up.
Oh and we absolutely need common sense bomb laws. :rolleyes:
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By and large, it's worked out great for them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/11/08/thousand-oaks-shooting-australia-no-mass-shootings-since-1996/1934798002/)
Actually that's not quite true. Australia redefined a mass shooting as more than 10 people iirc. While the rest of the world uses 4. There have been mass shootings in Australia since 1996 by global standards. There were 4 people shot and one killed just last month at an Aussie night club.
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"In Australia, a 2006 paper defined a mass shooting as "one in which ⩾5 firearm‐related homicides are committed by one or two perpetrators in proximate events in a civilian setting, not counting any perpetrators"."
Chapman, S. (December 2006). "Australia's 1996 gun law reforms: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, and a decade without mass shootings"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting)
Australia's mass shooting is not proof gun control doesn't work
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/11/17345214/australia-mass-shooting-margaret-river-osmington (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/11/17345214/australia-mass-shooting-margaret-river-osmington)
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Yeaahhhh nahhhh.
You need to recognise that our firearms culture is significantly different to the USA. Pistols are a rarity, genuine users of ARs represent a very small group, the majority of gun owners use bolt action. And the majority of them are larger than 223's. The typical kiwi gun owner has a .22lr for bunnies, a centerfire bolt action for deer/goats/pigs, and a shotgun for ducks. We're freely allowed suppressors and have been since forever. And our hunting season is 12/7/365 (not shooting at night!). We don't need permits and can go hunting in our beautiful national parks.
Not surprisingly you list exactly the same contents of many a rural/farm/ranch gun safe in the states.
The pistol which is a rarity for you is very handy out in the fields stringing fence or herding when carting around a rifle is not handy. Mountain lion/bear/coyotes in my area seem to just pop out of the bushes with alarming frequency at times.
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Not surprisingly you list exactly the same contents of many a rural/farm/ranch gun safe in the states.
The pistol which is a rarity for you is very handy out in the fields stringing fence or herding when carting around a rifle is not handy. Mountain lion/bear/coyotes in my area seem to just pop out of the bushes with alarming frequency at times.
We have no lions/bears/coyotes/snakes/and all the other stuff that would try and eat. If the bunnies ever organized then they may overwhelm us and suffocate us to death.
Arlo: depending on how you measure it there have been at least 6 mass shootings in Aussie since 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
It's also important to remember that Aussie gun crime/homicide was already dropping before 1996. Most gun homicides before then were attributed to gangs. In the late 80s and early 90s australian police cracked down on gangs. If you google graphs of the gun homicide rates in Aussie you see a trend that started before the gun buyback. The most significant impact the gun buy back had was on suicides, but there is no data to show if suicides by alternate means increased.
Even more interesting is another Australian 2017 gun amnesty that saw over 50000 illegal weapons handed in - including a rocket launcher and fully automatic weapons. Which shows that no matter what they do there are always firearms.
Annnnnnnnnnnnd... according to 2017 stats Australians now own more guns than they did in 1996.
So the Aussie gun law argument is FUBAR.
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While I have a few non-military firearms, the majority of my vast collection of firearms are Communist Mil-Surp firearms, mainly SKS rifles, but also AKMs, Mosin-Nagants and other Commie pistols and WW2 firearms.
My rifles and pistols, while maybe not directly involved in atrocities or mass killings were the instruments of tyranny from East Germany to the Balkans, to the steppes of Russia and the Ukraine. Across Asia to the rice paddies of Vietnam to the far reaches of the Chinese frontier.
Every time I shoot them, clean them, or even hold them, I am reminded of how precious our 2nd Amendment is. I try to convey this to my friends/family when we go shooting but it's difficult to teach the history of brutal regimes and democide when you're just out having a good time at the range.
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Annnnnnnnnnnnd... according to 2017 stats Australians now own more guns than they did in 1996.
So the Aussie gun law argument is FUBAR.
Not really. It was about the type, not the number. But hey, Americans get confused about that, too.
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Not really. It was about the type, not the number. But hey, American media get confused about that, too.
FTFY
Given that that fact many Intel agencies (like the FBI) know about attacks that are going to happen before they actually do, and still do not stop them, just proves that giving away your rights means that terrorist have more of an opportunity to break the law and take lives since the FBI and police werent there to stop it before it happened. IDK about you, but I'd rather trust a few of my fellow Americans who are packing in case of an attack than to have to depend on the police after the attack has already happened. It is much more effective to stop attacks if the terrorist know they won't have a chance if they attempt to attack. When you look up cases like Yeland Yee, who voted to ban guns in Cali, but then turned around and sold them on the black market, you should understand why it's important for every day citizens to be allowed to conceal carry.
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FTFY
Given that that fact many Intel agencies (like the FBI) know about attacks that are going to happen before they actually do, and still do not stop them, just proves that giving away your rights means that terrorist have more of an opportunity to break the law and take lives since the FBI and police werent there to stop it before it happened. IDK about you, but I'd rather trust a few of my fellow Americans who are packing in case of an attack than to have to depend on the police after the attack has already happened. It is much more effective to stop attacks if the terrorist know they won't have a chance if they attempt to attack. When you look up cases like Yeland Yee, who voted to ban guns in Cali, but then turned around and sold them on the black market, you should understand why it's important for every day citizens to be allowed to conceal carry.
Or, rather, not given that such is a fact but a suspicious delusion.
What I would like seen done focuses more on the term "well regulated militia" and require all gun owners that have a peculiar AR-15 fetish first serve a minimum of 2 years in a combat branch plus receive psychological testing/clearance and licensing with required periodic renewal. If you get dinged for domestic violence or broadcast your desire to kill people for political/religious reason then your large capacity semi-auto ticket gets cancelled. But wigged out fear mongering conspiracy theories does not a rational argument make.
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Or, rather, not given that such is a fact but a suspicious delusion.
What I would like seen done focuses more on the term "well regulated militia" and require all gun owners that have a peculiar AR-15 fetish first serve a minimum of 2 years in a combat branch plus receive psychological testing/clearance and licensing with required periodic renewal. If you get dinged for domestic violence or broadcast your desire to kill people for political/religious reason then your large capacity semi-auto ticket gets cancelled. But wigged out fear mongering conspiracy theories does not a rational argument make.
A hand gun can do just as much damage as a semi auto AR-15. Your point is flawed and deranged and entirely based on fear propaganda by leftist lunatics.
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A hand gun can do just as much damage as a semi auto AR-15. Your point is flawed and deranged and entirely based on fear propaganda by leftist lunatics.
A handgun cannot rack up a kill count as high as a large magazine capacity semi-auto AR-15 nor would it have had the range of the weaponry used in the Las Vegas concert massacre. I deal in facts, ma'am.
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A handgun cannot rack up a kill count as high as a large magazine capacity semi-auto AR-15 nor would it have had the range of the weaponry used in the Las Vegas concert massacre. I deal in facts, ma'am.
It also helps when they work for the FBI gun trading unit (paddock). Where is Campos? The only "witness". Why have so many people at the concert been killed shortly after? Too many questions. I don't believe any guns were fired out of that window. Too much forensic evidence to suggest he wasn't the only shooter if he did do it.
Until I see video evidence of Nick Cruz going into the school and shooting people, then walking down the hall to the bathroom to change clothes. Then go taking to the girl in the interview, then leave the school, then go to McDonald's, the leave, just so an officer happens to find him walking down the street, then the kids says demons are talking to him. When all of that gets released, then maybe I'll believe the roadkill narrative they mock us with v
Sure it can. Handguns can have extended mags. They are more concealed, easier to carry, 90% of attacks are up close anyway.
Next they will be using chainsaws.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/leftist-thug-with-chainsaw-threatens-women-for-trump-highway-protesters-with-us-flags-video/
Just realize your "facts" are only what MSM wants you to believe since you are too lazy to do any actual real research on your own.
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It also helps when they work for the FBI gun trading unit (paddock). Where is Campos? The only "witness". Why have so many people at the concert been killed shortly after? Too many questions. I don't believe any guns were fired out of that window. Too much forensic evidence to suggest he wasn't the only shooter if he did do it.
Until I see video evidence of Nick Cruz going into the school and shooting people, then walking down the hall to the bathroom to change clothes. Then go taking to the girl in the interview, then leave the school, then go to McDonald's, the leave, just so an officer happens to find him walking down the street, then the kids says demons are talking to him. When all of that gets released, then maybe I'll believe the roadkill narrative they mock us with v
Sure it can. Handguns can have extended mags. They are more concealed, easier to carry, 90% of attacks are up close anyway.
Next they will be using chainsaws.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/leftist-thug-with-chainsaw-threatens-women-for-trump-highway-protesters-with-us-flags-video/
I know you can't fathom my not being impressed by conspiracy crazy-think. But I will tell you I laugh every time someone suggests that there will be just as many horrible mass killings with baseball bats, pipe wrenches, fingernail files or rocks (even chain-saws) if large capacity military style semi-autos are regulated. Just regulated. Makes me wonder if the person twisting logic to (try to) make their argument is merely scared they couldn't pass the qualifiers.
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Just realize your "facts" are only what MSM wants you to believe since you are too lazy to do any actual real research on your own.
What 'research' do you actually do other than looking for conspiracy drivel on the internet to support your suspicions?
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What 'research' do you actually do other than looking for conspiracy drivel on the internet to support your suspicions?
Define "conspiracy drivel".
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Define "conspiracy drivel".
The easiest definition on this forum is just about everything you seem to think is 'research.' Granted, you may occasionally try to reinterpret other sources to fit your personal slant.
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The easiest definition on this forum is just about everything you seem to think is 'research.' Granted, you may occasionally try to reinterpret other sources to fit your personal slant.
So is Trump/Russia Colluuuuuuusion conspiracy drivel or truth? Because that's what MSM has been telling you for 3 years.
At least everything I've posted can actually be proven as fact.
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So is Trump/Russia Colluuuuuuusion conspiracy drivel or truth? Because that's what MSM has been telling you for 3 years.
At least everything I've posted can actually be proven as fact.
95% (and that's being generous) of what you post is anything but proven fact (except in your mind).
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http://theconversation.com/somethings-going-on-here-building-a-comprehensive-profile-of-conspiracy-thinkers-101287
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http://time.com/4965093/conspiracy-theories-beliefs/
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"our media narratives are being challenged by actual people punching holes in them, better call them all crazy with made up words using our media mafia Gambit, then we will book burn accounts just like actual Nazis because we can't actually challenge their (correct observation and connections)". It's no wonder you people are losing badly.
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A handgun cannot rack up a kill count as high as a large magazine capacity semi-auto AR-15 nor would it have had the range of the weaponry used in the Las Vegas concert massacre. I deal in facts, ma'am.
You can change magazines quickly. Large/small makes little difference.
Those who want only criminals to have guns are free to not carry or have them in their home. No one forces anyone to get a gun.
On the other hand... anyone who interferes with me and my family protecting itself from criminals is also a criminal.
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You can change magazines quickly. Large/small makes little difference.
Those who want only criminals to have guns are free to not carry or have them in their home. No one forces anyone to get a gun.
On the other hand... anyone who interferes with me and my family protecting itself from criminals is also a criminal.
But it does make a difference. And when Las Vegas was brought up, Violator went full-blown conspiracy on me there since he had no reasonable argument that had legs. I'm not interfering with the defense of your family. I'm an advocate of reasonable gun regulation. I'm not against responsible ownership. I'm against irresponsible, reckless and desiring to kill others because one hates them for merely being different ownership. And, honestly, if somebody truly believes they need an AR-15 to defend their family wouldn't investing in moving to a non-combat zone be better than building a military arsenal to 'protect' them?
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But it does make a difference. And when Las Vegas was brought up, Violator went full-blown conspiracy on me there since he had no reasonable argument that had legs. I'm not interfering with the defense of your family. I'm an advocate of reasonable gun regulation. I'm not against responsible ownership. I'm against irresponsible, reckless and desiring to kill others because one hates them for merely being different ownership. And, honestly, if somebody truly believes they need an AR-15 to defend their family wouldn't investing in moving to a non-combat zone be better than building a military arsenal to 'protect' them?
And yet you have no proof that Paddock actually pulled a trigger. Mr. Conspiracy theorist. Why did pics of the room set up change from the medias pics compared to the FBI pics? Last time I checked, tampering with evidence is a crime?
This is what you defend btw.
Roseanne's Son is calling you and your mafia media out as hypocrites.
https://youtu.be/xLvtObNmcvw
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And yet you have no proof that Paddock actually pulled a trigger. Mr. Conspiracy theorist. Why did pics of the room set up change from the medias pics compared to the FBI pics? Last time I checked, tampering with evidence is a crime?
For a guy who supposedly does 'careful research' you sure seem prone to avoid citing your conspiracy sites.
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For a guy who supposedly does 'careful research' you sure seem prone to avoid citing your conspiracy sites.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/879hal/breaking_the_us_government_has_reveleaed_that/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8celny/boston_bomber_tamerlan_tsarnaev_was_likely_an_fbi/
https://i.redd.it/yjq2xn3mbrj01.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/85njs1/209_pounds_of_methamphetamine_138_pounds_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/81sert/bruce_paddock_gets_19_of_20_charges_dropped/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7mwgf9/i_think_obama_spent_about_65000_of_the_taxpayers/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/787vm6/tony_pizza_for_an_hour_podesta_is_trending_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/75rfjx/jesus_campos_is_not_registered_in_security/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/75ojzh/casino_admits_vegas_investigators_publicized_a/
Tons of links and threads here If you are actually interested in learning. And this is only a starter pack since I don't have a lot of time. Stop defending evil!
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That was ..... amusing. Your 'research' is a sub-Reddit called 'The Donald.' Please don't pretend to know facts anymore. :rofl
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That was ..... amusing. Your 'research' is a sub-Reddit called 'The Donald.' Please don't pretend to know facts anymore. :rofl
That's simply the aggravate site... Duh. Most of those are linked to news sites, but there is good info in the comments which is why I posted just the comments thread. I have a lot more saved on other sites too. Plus a lot got deleted when they banned R/greatawakening like the sorry scared little bich cowards Nazi book burners they are. I just don't have enough time. But we all know you can't actually prove any of it wrong, nore can you prove Paddock or even Cruz pulled the trigger.
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That's simply the aggravate site... Duh. Most of those are linked to news sites, but there is good info in the comments which is why I posted just the comments thread. I have a lot more saved on other sites too. Plus a lot got deleted when they banned R/greatawakening like the sorry scared little squeak cowards they are. I just don't have enough time. But we all know you can't actually any of it wrong, nore can you prove Paddock or even Cruz pulled the trigger.
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Your 'research' and 'facts' sound an awful lot like your predisposition and your opinions shared by fellow kooks. :D
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Your 'research' and 'facts' sound an awful lot like your predisposition and your opinions shared by fellow kooks. :D
What opinions are you talking about?
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What opinions are you talking about?
Don't make me slap you. :D
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But it does make a difference. And when Las Vegas was brought up, Violator went full-blown conspiracy on me there since he had no reasonable argument that had legs. I'm not interfering with the defense of your family. I'm an advocate of reasonable gun regulation. I'm not against responsible ownership. I'm against irresponsible, reckless and desiring to kill others because one hates them for merely being different ownership. And, honestly, if somebody truly believes they need an AR-15 to defend their family wouldn't investing in moving to a non-combat zone be better than building a military arsenal to 'protect' them?
A choice between one rifle or another means little. One semi or another. If someone wants to kill a lot of people just start with a crowd. Bad people are the problem, not the guns.
Some folks in their hate of guns simply help criminals ply their trade. You can bet criminals would love to be the only one armed.
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A choice between one rifle or another means little. One semi or another. If someone wants to kill a lot of people just start with a crowd. Bad people are the problem, not the guns.
Some folks in their hate of guns simply help criminals ply their trade. You can bet criminals would love to be the only one armed.
I might be inclined to agree if what was being suggested was a 'we all hate guns and lets all just arm criminals' law. I don't hate guns. I hate massacres. And yes, bad people with unlimited access to rapid-fire, high capacity weapons with absolutely no regulation or restriction is indeed the problem.
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I might be inclined to agree if what was being suggested was a 'we all hate guns and lets all just arm criminals' law. I don't hate guns. I hate massacres. And yes, bad people with unlimited access to rapid-fire, high capacity weapons with absolutely no regulation or restriction is indeed the problem.
That's why the only way to stop it is for you to have one on the other side. Remember, criminals don't care about the law or regulation or restriction. I'd rather have legal gun tenders determine if they want to sell a gun, rather than encourage black market gun dealers to sell them to anyone illegally.
Ohh and there's a real reason why Comey, McCabe, Baker and many more were fired.
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I might be inclined to agree if what was being suggested was a 'we all hate guns and lets all just arm criminals' law. I don't hate guns. I hate massacres. And yes, bad people with unlimited access to rapid-fire, high capacity weapons with absolutely no regulation or restriction is indeed the problem.
Laws only affect the law abiding.
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Laws only affect the law abiding.
Au contraire. Here's an example:
Billy Joe Jim Bob decides he's in the mood to go shoot up first graders (easy targets, large kill count). On the way he's stopped by a policeman for not signaling left. The policeman notices BJJB's AR-15 in the back seat.
Policeman: Whats with the major weaponry, Billy Joe?
BJJB: Gonna shoot rabbits.
Policeman: It ain't rabbit season.
BJJB: Aw shucks. Thanks for reminding me. Guess I'm haulin' it `round fer nuthin'.
Policeman: Well, you drive safe and don't forget to signal.
BJJB: Never happen again.
So Billy Joe Jim Bob's second amendment rights are kept safe but later 25 first graders, 2 teachers, a principal and a sheriff's deputy all die because Billy Joe had an itch that needed scratchin'.
So, what would have happened if the policeman was allowed (even required) to ask Billy Joe for his license and registration for the gun as well as the car? Billy Joe has been arrested twice for beating his wife (and kids) and can't help posting on FB about how he just wants to kill people because he hates libtards and wetbacks and was actually sent to a mental facility once for threatening people on the street for wearing the color blue. Billy Joe didn't qualify to own that AR-15. It woulda had to been confiscated and possibly he woulda had to spend a lil time in the hoosgow.
If he had gone with plan B and decided to use a chainsaw instead he might have ended up doing more harm to himself than others (what a shame).
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Au contraire. Here's an example:
Billy Joe Jim Bob decides he's in the mood to go shoot up first graders (easy targets, large kill count). On the way he's stopped by a policeman for not signaling left. The policeman notices BJJB's AR-15 in the back seat.
Policeman: Whats with the major weaponry, Billy Joe?
BJJB: Gonna shoot rabbits.
Policeman: It ain't rabbit season.
BJJB: Aw shucks. Thanks for reminding me. Guess I'm haulin' it `round fer nuthin'.
Policeman: Well, you drive safe and don't forget to signal.
BJJB: Never happen again.
So Billy Joe Jim Bob's second amendment rights are kept safe but later 25 first graders, 2 teachers, a principal and a sheriff's deputy all die because Billy Joe had an itch that needed scratchin'.
So, what would have happened if the policeman was allowed (even required) to ask Billy Joe for his license and registration for the gun as well as the car? Billy Joe has been arrested twice for beating his wife (and kids) and can't help posting on FB about how he just wants to kill people because he hates libtards and wetbacks and was actually sent to a mental facility once for threatening people on the street for wearing the color blue. Billy Joe didn't qualify to own that AR-15. It woulda had to been confiscated and possibly he woulda had to spend a lil time in the hoosgow.
If he had gone with plan B and decided to use a chainsaw instead he might have ended up doing more harm to himself than others (what a shame).
And? What I said still stands.
It is against the law to kill others unless you are being attacked and you feel your life is in danger.
The school being a soft target puts it up higher on the list for demented individuals. They are helped by folks who believe that disarming the people who can protect their children is a grand idea.
It all comes back to the point that no one forces you to protect you and yours. It is a choice you are free to make. Just do not try to force other to make the same choice you may make.
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And? What I said still stands.
It is against the law to kill others unless you are being attacked and you feel your life is in danger.
The school being a soft target puts it up higher on the list for demented individuals. They are helped by folks who believe that disarming the people who can protect their children is a grand idea.
It all comes back to the point that no one forces you to protect you and yours. It is a choice you are free to make. Just do not try to force other to make the same choice you may make.
But does it? Billy Joe hadn't killed anyone when he was stopped nor did he state his intent to.
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If there was a law requiring him to register/license and qualify then he would have been breaking the law (he would not be 'law abiding').
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Bad Arlo, using a bubba as a writer's device to trip up your bubba audience into feeling personally attacked then possibly acting a fool in response to feed your narrative. Shuffler at least realized what you just did.
Yes the majority of mass shooters are white males in the US. Other than that, they are not bubbas and more likely to be nut cases on or off their meds, who didn't vote for a republican or attend a church regularly all their lives, if they ever bothered to vote. Many of our forum members are bubbas, and own firearms, and react poorly to feeling a personal affront to their constitutionally protected rights and freedoms. They don't deserve being painted this way becasue you have issues with gun laws.
The slippery slope you are dancing on led to the Venezuelan people today only able to throw rocks at the armed military of a dictator who run them over with trucks and shoot them in cold blood in the streets. That is why the second A exists in it's exact language, and people like Shuffler get ticked at writer's devices to subtly paint them poorly. It's easy to play with word structures and imagery to make fools of people's cherished liberties and rights with logical fallacies. Every 1st year pre-law, philosophy, and psych major can do it with their eyes closed since your average person is not vested in that kind of mind set or need to mess with the unsuspecting.
It's like the old one, so when did you stop beating your wife or, for gun owners, so when did you stop dreaming of slaughtering poor innocent first graders err oops bunnies with your evil AR15. your imagery is out there associated with easy access to AR15's and a bubba having a bad day which everyone knows bubbas just have bad days all the time becasue that's what bubbas are.
Pretty slick trick Arlo to trip up your poor dumb gun owning bubba audience who will probably rise to the veiled insults and give you pages of fun and existential bubba slaughter. Freedom comes with a heavy price, either we are all free or, we are Animal Farm. So which of us lives in the house and who toils in the feilds in your story? Shuffler where do you want to live on that farm?
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Au contraire. Here's an example:
Billy Joe Jim Bob decides he's in the mood to go shoot up first graders (easy targets, large kill count). On the way he's stopped by a policeman for not signaling left. The policeman notices BJJB's AR-15 in the back seat.
Policeman: Whats with the major weaponry, Billy Joe?
BJJB: Gonna shoot rabbits.
Policeman: It ain't rabbit season.
BJJB: Aw shucks. Thanks for reminding me. Guess I'm haulin' it `round fer nuthin'.
Policeman: Well, you drive safe and don't forget to signal.
BJJB: Never happen again.
So Billy Joe Jim Bob's second amendment rights are kept safe but later 25 first graders, 2 teachers, a principal and a sheriff's deputy all die because Billy Joe had an itch that needed scratchin'.
So, what would have happened if the policeman was allowed (even required) to ask Billy Joe for his license and registration for the gun as well as the car? Billy Joe has been arrested twice for beating his wife (and kids) and can't help posting on FB about how he just wants to kill people because he hates libtards and wetbacks and was actually sent to a mental facility once for threatening people on the street for wearing the color blue. Billy Joe didn't qualify to own that AR-15. It woulda had to been confiscated and possibly he woulda had to spend a lil time in the hoosgow.
If he had gone with plan B and decided to use a chainsaw instead he might have ended up doing more harm to himself than others (what a shame).
You just discribed how and why these attacks are created.
1. Soft targets - Why would a person angry at libtards shoot up a place full of innocent people who have nothing to do with their outrage? The easy answer is using your emotions to change the laws. Churches and schools especially are emotional targets. A person mad at the government would not shoot a school or church, unless they wanted to have guns banned. The school should have never let them enter in the first place. My schools were always under severe surveillance. It's the schools responsibility to protect the students.
2. Every shooter who commits mass attrocities were under psychiatric care and medication. Why is that?
3. No mass shooting is ever random. People don't decide to mass shoot a school one day. They are always planned.
4. Guaranteed his FB post would have been flagged and sent to the FBI. They use FB to paint a picture of a suspect so that they can manipulate you into being on one side or the other. Nick Cruz's FB was a clear manipulation.
5. Where are their friends? Where are their groups? Where are their parents? Spouting this crap on FB means someone has to on the receiving end of his post. They never have any connections to any one else. Isn't that strange?
You aren't asking enough questions and are letting them take advantage of your thoughts and emotions using these calculated attacks of fear.
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Au contraire. Here's an example:
Billy Joe Jim Bob decides he's in the mood to go shoot up first graders (easy targets, large kill count). On the way he's stopped by a policeman for not signaling left. The policeman notices BJJB's AR-15 in the back seat.
Policeman: Whats with the major weaponry, Billy Joe?
BJJB: Gonna shoot rabbits.
Policeman: It ain't rabbit season.
BJJB: Aw shucks. Thanks for reminding me. Guess I'm haulin' it `round fer nuthin'.
Policeman: Well, you drive safe and don't forget to signal.
BJJB: Never happen again.
So Billy Joe Jim Bob's second amendment rights are kept safe but later 25 first graders, 2 teachers, a principal and a sheriff's deputy all die because Billy Joe had an itch that needed scratchin'.
So, what would have happened if the policeman was allowed (even required) to ask Billy Joe for his license and registration for the gun as well as the car? Billy Joe has been arrested twice for beating his wife (and kids) and can't help posting on FB about how he just wants to kill people because he hates libtards and wetbacks and was actually sent to a mental facility once for threatening people on the street for wearing the color blue. Billy Joe didn't qualify to own that AR-15. It woulda had to been confiscated and possibly he woulda had to spend a lil time in the hoosgow.
If he had gone with plan B and decided to use a chainsaw instead he might have ended up doing more harm to himself than others (what a shame).
It seems you're not familiar with firearms laws (most of law abiding firearms owners are).
In most states, transporting a firearm in a manner Billy Joe Jim Bob does, is illegal.
In most states, when transporting a firearm in a manner Billy Joe Jim Bob does, law enforcement is authorized to inspect firearm for compliance.
He would most likely be arrested for violating firearms transportation laws and being a prohibited person in possession of a firearm (or shot if he did something stupid after PO noticed the AR-15).
All the necessary (and unnecessary) firearms laws are already in place. They just need to be enforced better.
I'm California resident. California has some of the most restrictive firearms laws. They enacted even more anti 2A laws after San Bernardino shooting.
None of that prevented all the mass shootings since San Bernandino.
None of the gun control laws enacted before, did prevent any of that either.
Insane people don't care about firearm laws. Criminals don't care either.
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Insane people don't care about firearm laws. Criminals don't care either.
Or vehicle codes/laws or anything .... but that doesn't mean such serves no purpose.
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Bad Arlo, using a bubba as a writer's device ...
I live in Billy Joe Jim Bob central. ;)
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But does it? Billy Joe hadn't killed anyone when he was stopped nor did he state his intent to.
In your eyes maybe not..... but I consider anyone going to kill folks a criminal.
Very unlikely, although possible, that he has never given warnings. Most of the killers before gave plenty of warnings but because of PC nothing was done. Most could have been prevented. It didn't occur because the person had a gun. It happened because the person had issues. Issues far before he ever acquired a gun.
Blaming this on any gun and a gun in particular is ridiculous. Of all the thousands of rifles of this style.... far less than 1% have probably been used to kill anyone illegally much less groups.. Maybe less than cars used for the same.
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Or vehicle codes/laws or anything .... but that doesn't mean such serves no purpose.
They do have a purpose, but after certain point, additional laws won't fix the root of the problem. They just add unnecessary burden, or worse, criminalize law abiding citizens.
In US, some 37,000 people die in car accidents every year. I don't think extra laws would change that.
Same applies to firearm laws. All the common sense firearm laws are already in place. Anti-gun people just aren't aware of them.
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In your eyes maybe not..... but I consider anyone going to kill folks a criminal.
You're better at being the thought police than most, then. Even with Bighorn's assurance that there are already laws in place to stop and inspect such weapons seen in the open, I've seen too many open carry 'protests' without such. The weapon of choice, time and again for mass shooting, is the AR-15. A semi-auto AK (47 or 74) qualifies, as well.
So, we're all law-abiding types on this forum. 'A well regulated militia' (gun owners dealing with reasonable regulation - be it licensing, regular qualification, background checks, etc .) should not be a problem. People unwilling to comply with such, be it due to criminal intent or irresponsible behavior, would indeed find this law inconvenient (just like people who drive drunk or without insurance or without annual registration or inspection or a valid driver's license - it applies to those following the code and those not).
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In US, some 37,000 people die in car accidents every year. I don't think extra laws would change that.
Ah, but we're talking about the same type of regulation being applied to gun ownership. Not 'extra.' We are reminded, regularly, how many lives seat belt laws save. A fair number of lives may well have been saved by suspending the licenses of habitual drunk drivers.
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You're better at being the thought police than most, then. Even with Bighorn's assurance that there are already laws in place to stop and inspect such weapons seen in the open, I've seen too many open carry 'protests' without such. The weapon of choice, time and again for mass shooting, is the AR-15. A semi-auto AK (47 or 74) qualifies, as well.
So, we're all law-abiding types on this forum. 'A well regulated militia' (gun owners dealing with reasonable regulation - be it licensing, regular qualification, background checks, etc .) should not be a problem. People unwilling to comply with such, be it due to criminal intent or irresponsible behavior, would indeed find this law inconvenient (just like people who drive drunk or without insurance or without annual registration or inspection or a valid driver's license - it applies to those following the code and those not).
You seem stuck on AR 15. That says enough about your arguement or lack thereof.
In the end I will say again..... I am free to carry an d protect, you are free not to.
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You seem stuck on AR 15. That says enough about your arguement or lack thereof.
The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15. That's the meat of the argument or "lack thereof." Free to die at their preference of method is kinda limited.
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I live in Billy Joe Jim Bob central. ;)
And I remember after a new member of POTW who was an active Tennessee Deputy Sheriff who had mustered out of the MP's and could only find that job. Suddenly canceled his squad membership with no notice. Then on range later I heard him telling players he cut POTW loose becasue he has to deal with stupid Tennessee "bubbas" all day long and POTW had too many bubba talking members for him to stomach hearing them talk. Best I could tell we had no weirdo's who spent all their spare time dreaming of shooting up grade schools with AR15's. Just hard working blue collar men who did not live outside of bubba central fly over country in the house on the Animal Farm.
So, on your farm do you live in the house or the barn with the "bubbas"? I'm not a "bubba", I'm a white African American born in Africa which is always hard for HR departments and lawyers to generalize me with the rest of the "bubbas". Dang anyone remember when we were called rednecks and honkies? And where I live in Oakland, almost every night sounds like Falujia and we ain't got many "bubbas" in Oaktown capping anyone over drug deals. Must be them drive through long haul bubba truckers and their fully automatic AR15's they spray out the window as they cruise through on 880. We actually have a problem with none bubba gangs having high speed gunfights on 880, 80, 580 and 680 all around Oaktown. So much for gun laws in California. Do we just go full on Venezuela becasue the bubbas are just too stupid to not act like bubbas? Venezuela confiscated all the civilian firearms in 2012, it only took 7 years before the government was running protesters over with trucks and shooting them in the streets.
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Ah, but we're talking about the same type of regulation being applied to gun ownership.
We already have far more gun laws and regulations. And if you violate them, you won't get away with infraction or fix-it ticket, it's mostly misdemeanor or felony.
The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15.
How is AR-15 different than any other semi-auto with exchangeable magazines? That's right, it isn't.
It's just the most common platform here in US, for many reasons, none of which makes AR-15 deadlier.
Should we ban Ford F-Series because it causes more car accident deaths than other vehicles?
Is it deadlier than Dodge Ram because of its design or maybe just perhaps because it sells better?
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Funny thing about Venezuela and the Chavez gun confiscation in 2012. The government said it was to address the high murder rate of that country since the country was a utopia with Chavez nationalizing everything for his cronies while no one had jobs forcing them to rob each other with guns. See, bubbas bad and can't be left to their own decisions with guns. Once the guns were confiscated then Chavez gave guns to all the pro Chavez civilian gangs. Then if Chavez was unhappy with some unarmed group, the death rate went up but, murders supposedly dropped off. Then once again with Maduro and the elections of 2017 there was another round of confiscations just before the elections for public safety. The death rate went up during the confiscation process but, again murders dropped off. Since 2017 the pro Maduro armed gangs have protected Maduro by killing citizens for thinking and saying bad things about their starvation, lack of medical treatment, lack of basic necessities, and lack of life expectancy becasue armed government gangs were shooting them becasue they were stupid bubbas who don't matter.
Yes, every one wants to live in the Farm House and tell the bubbas how to live or die. In every country you can think of outside of a very few, there are the elite who know better than the local bubbas who can't be trusted to think for themselves or be armed like the Elites dictating life and death to them from the Farm house.
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How is AR-15 different than any other semi-auto with exchangeable magazines? That's right, it isn't.
It's just the most common platform here in US, for many reasons, none of which makes AR-15 deadlier.
Well, it's not a Ruger 10/22, that's for sure.
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Well, it's not a Ruger 10/22, that's for sure.
Ruger 10/22 with evil features (pistol grip, folding stock) was assault weapon under 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. No deadlier than basic variant.
Common sense gun control law, right?
How about AR-15 with .22LR upper? Still evil gun?
Anyways, what kind of additional gun control laws do you support anyway?
"Rapid Fire" weapons as you call them, aka machine guns are already banned. Bumpstocks were banned recently.
What else?
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Those shooting up schools are never your rednecks. Always city boys with mental problems or wannabe city boys.
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Are you guys still going?
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Ruger 10/22 with evil features (pistol grip, folding stock) was assault weapon under 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. No deadlier than basic variant.
Common sense gun control law, right?
How about AR-15 with .22LR upper? Still evil gun?
Anyways, what kind of additional gun control laws do you support anyway?
"Rapid Fire" weapons as you call them, aka machine guns are already banned. Bumpstocks were banned recently.
What else?
Hey big good to hear from ya!
I thought you could get an MG with a simple tax stamp,or is that only in certain states? Oh and a thick wallet would help. Seems a 200 dollar stamp was lots back in what 1934 maybe it should be increased proportionally?
I dont have a dog in the fight and I dont think there are any fixes as the cats out of the bag so to speak but I do agree a semi auto is a semi auto.....
Personally I dont like CC if you want to wear a gun it should be in plane sight so I can see it and keep my distance if I choose....but thats just me.
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Those shooting up schools are never your rednecks. Always city boys with mental problems or wannabe city boys.
actually lots school shootings happen in small towns or suburbs. easy to find out. lots of non school shootings with multiple victims are also in small towns.
semp
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HUGE weapons Cache seized in an abandoned LA mansion owned by Gordon Getty yesterday. Wonder what this is all about? Goes to show that they are perfectly fine hoarding and selling weapons illegally while they make laws that prevent regular folks from their rights to protection.
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Another leftist Christian hating kook just shot up a school in CO..
Had 666 and F*#& Society, spray painted on their car.. Solid citizens huh???
2 patriot type kids, jumped the creature, stopped the shooting before it became worse..
One of these two young Heroes was killed by the armed leftist freak..
This leftist insanity will go into overdrive in 2020.. Thousands of their brainwashed,
drugged up, wind up toys, that can't tell which bathroom to use, are ready to kill
innocent people.. So their communist media presstitutes, can lay "collective blame"
on everyone who owns a gun..
So, Gun up, Ammo up, and Armor up, before the festivities begin!
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Hey Morph, nice to see you're still kicking!
I thought you could get an MG with a simple tax stamp,or is that only in certain states? Oh and a thick wallet would help. Seems a 200 dollar stamp was lots back in what 1934 maybe it should be increased proportionally?
It involves a little more than just a $200 tax stamp (NFA has been expanded several times after 1934). You need ATF permission for any title II weapon (like machinegun) or parts, you need to pass extensive background check, and weapon or part gets registered. It has to be legal in your state (CA bans all title II weapons). It has to be manufactured before 1986 (sorry, no new machine guns for ordinary citizens). You can't transport it over any state line, or transfer it to another person without ATF approval.
Any violation of NFA is outright felony and lengthy visit to federal prison.
Then, there's the price. Haven't seen any machine gun for less than 10 grand in like forever.
All of the above makes machine guns very rare. (less than 15,000 registered).
Personally I dont like CC if you want to wear a gun it should be in plane sight so I can see it and keep my distance if I choose....but thats just me.
Yeah, unfortunately many states banned open carry.
In California open carry is banned, with exception to your private property if it isn't publicly accessible (backyard if fenced), places where it is legal to discharge firearm (gun ranges, national forests, etc) and when hunting or fishing.
As for concealed carry, In most CA counties, CCW permits are nearly impossible to get. Most of the criminals carry firearms though, hence the rise in firearms related deaths (CDC data).
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actually lots school shootings happen in small towns or suburbs. easy to find out. lots of non school shootings with multiple victims are also in small towns.
semp
... and almost every one they try to emulate some city boy wearing black attire and such.
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THX big,
I wasnt totally up on the law but knew it wasnt impossible to purchase an MG if you have your ducks in order and a thick enough wallet.
Some know I dont live in the USA,that said if I did I would own a few guns myself.I wouldnt want to be unarmed in a country full of guns! As I said the cats out of the bag.
I grew up with guns,did plenty of hunting in the wilderness of Ontario but I moved to the big city and now I hunt the grocery stores so I have no need for a gun and I dont even own a firearm anymore. Simply is no need where I live so it's not worth the hassle to have one.
I hope you and yours are doing good Big!!!
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Don't forget the Mad Max road shootings on the highways here in Oaktown between drug gangs.
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... and almost every one they try to emulate some city boy wearing black attire and such.
so if a redneck shoots up a school then he's not really a redneck because rednecks don't shoot up schools.
semp
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so if a redneck shoots up a school then he's not really a redneck because rednecks don't shoot up schools.
semp
That is pretty silly. Did not see anyone say that but you.
I responded to earlier rattling about rednecks. I do not recall one school shooting pulled off by any redneck.
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Just did an internet search to research school shooters and mass shootings. The main stream media and allies are referencing a Secret Service report that looked at shootings from the 70's forward which does not say a common characteristic of school and mass shootings is white male living in rural areas(bubbas). The main stream news and allies have included that into their synopsis of the Secret service report as a mantra and meme to discredit gun owners and AR15s by association. Lots of uniformed TV watching of the media in this conversation. The school shooter and mass shooter primary demographic is urban and if voted or, were to vote, would have voted for someone like Obama and never for someone like Trump.
Fits the profile for the recent shooting in Colorado with a unique very new twist. The 16 year old female assailant of the two had gender diaspora issues and thought she was male, while the male fit the profile of being urban, hated Christians and hated the current not Obama party leader of our country and those who voted for him. Oh and he was a honkey or a white guy but, not an Ar15 wielding white guy "bubba". I hear from the funny buisiness media those are outlawed by popular vote out of Denver and Boulder and were driven from the area with threat of AR15's.
This whole conversation seems like a very thinly veiled conversation allowing part of the participants to discriminate against a cultural demographic of the USA with impunity. Now if Shuffler had started it the same group would be screeching he was a racist.
This is turning into some pretty stinky get out of jail bait and stick it to people just for gits and giggles with total spurious information. Semp please stop poking the bear just to see if you can make it loose it's cookies.....
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All of these shooters are designed to create outrage among specific groups. They are a divisionist scheme to create outrage, divide and conquer strategy, while taking away or limiting your rights. The car with the F* Society is the give away symbolism that this isn't random. Remember that girl who drove from Florida a few weeks ago to go on a shooting spree because of Columbine who just so happened to commit suicide in the woods? They had it all on lockdown. Very odd and suspicious. Nick Cruz lived under the household of a military IT contractor. He was about to receive 800K from from his diseased fathers fund. He was under psychological help and took SSRIs. His pics on fB did not show his face. Look up how many 'shooters' were under psychological manipulation. While getting arrested he screamed demons were talking to him. he didn't even run or hide? How do you escape a school under lockdown after shooting people and then go eat McDonald's? Something also odd to me is the pictures they show of the shooters, always odd. Just makes you wonder...
A crisis actor was just caught in New Zealand being interviewed after a cop rammed a terrorist car. She has been exposed and once exposed her acting profile was immediately set to private. I will not post the link for reasons, but just realize you are all being played by secret societies and a media that literally is the enemy of the people. Where do they get their guns? Just ask the people at the LA Mansion just raided with 1500 guns that just got seized. I bet Eric Holder, McCabe and Comey knows.
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Violater May I ask what forums do you get all this secret society stuff from lol? Your takes on events always are a strange and unique position.
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he could tell you but then he would have to kill you.
semp
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he could tell you but then he would have to kill you.
semp
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Violater May I ask what forums do you get all this secret society stuff from lol? Your takes on events always are a strange and unique position.
Reddit/bubba/tinfoil
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The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15. That's the meat of the argument or "lack thereof." Free to die at their preference of method is kinda limited.
Far more mass shooters use pistols than long guns, most likely because a shooter finds it easier to get into their intended target with a hidden pistol than a hidden rifle. Long guns, including AR-15s, generally account for around 6% of the firearms homicides each year in the US. From the Washington Times: "More than three quarters of mass shootings from 1996 to 2016 involved a handgun, while just 29 percent of shooters used a rifle, according to the New York-based Rockefeller Institute, part of a gun safety initiative convened by a handful of mostly Democratic governors." Article: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/29/mass-shooting-handgun-usage-figures-undercut-rifle/
Mike
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The mass shooters are stuck on AR 15. That's the meat of the argument or "lack thereof." Free to die at their preference of method is kinda limited.
I’m gonna assume you think guns are the issue and not the people who are pointing them at others?
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Far more mass shooters use pistols than long guns, most likely because a shooter finds it easier to get into their intended target with a hidden pistol than a hidden rifle. Long guns, including AR-15s, generally account for around 6% of the firearms homicides each year in the US. From the Washington Times: "More than three quarters of mass shootings from 1996 to 2016 involved a handgun, while just 29 percent of shooters used a rifle, according to the New York-based Rockefeller Institute, part of a gun safety initiative convened by a handful of mostly Democratic governors." Article: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/29/mass-shooting-handgun-usage-figures-undercut-rifle/
Mike
And yet ....
Aurora: AR-15 (12 killed, 70 injured)
Orlando: AR-15 (50 killed, 53 wounded)
Parkland: AR-15 (17 killed, 17 wounded)
Las Vegas: AR-15 (58 killed, 422 wounded)
Sandy Hook: AR-15 (28 killed, 2 wounded)
Sutherland Springs Church: AR-15 (27 dead, 20 wounded)
San Bernardino: AR-15 (14 dead, 24 wounded)
..... kinda speaks for itself. The number of incidents versus the body count of each incident.
"Handguns figured in the Virginia Tech massacre, Binghamton shootings, 2009 Fort Hood shooting, Oikos University shooting, and 2011 Tucson shooting. The Aurora theater shooting and the Columbine High School massacre were committed by assailants armed with multiple weapons.[citation needed] AR-15 style rifles have been used in a number of the deadliest mass shooting incidents, and have come to be widely characterized as the weapon of choice for perpetrators of mass shootings."
Citations:
- Smith, Aaron (June 21, 2016). "Why the AR-15 is the mass shooter's go-to weapon". CNN. Retrieved February 15, 2018. "The AR-15, the type of rifle used in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, is the weapon of choice for mass killers."
- Picchi, Aimee (June 15, 2016). "America's rifle: The marketing of assault-style weapons". CBS MoneyWatch. CBS News. Retrieved February 23, 2018. "America has grown accustomed to military-style semi-automatic weapons such as the AR-15. It's not hard to see why: These firearms have been heavily marketed to gun owners. But at the same time, they're often the weapons of choice for mass murderers."
- Zhang, Sarah (June 17, 2016). "What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body". Wired. Retrieved March 3, 2018. "The AR-15 is America's most popular rifle. It has also been the weapon of choice in mass shootings from Sandy Hook to Aurora to San Bernardino."
- Williams, Joseph P. (November 7, 2017). "How the AR-15 Became One of the Most Popular Guns in America, A brief history of the guns that have become the weapons of choice for mass shootings". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved February 15, 2018. "They're lightweight, relatively cheap and extremely lethal, inspired by Nazi infantrymen on the Eastern Front during World War II. They're so user-friendly some retailers recommend them for children, yet their design is so aggressive one marketer compared them to carrying a "man card" -- although ladies who dare can get theirs in pink. And if the last few mass shootings are any indication, guns modeled after the AR-15 assault rifle -- arguably the most popular, most enduring and most profitable firearm in the U.S. -- have become the weapon of choice for unstable, homicidal men who want to kill a lot of people very, very quickly."
- Jansen, Bart; Cummings, William (November 6, 2017). "Why mass shooters are increasingly using AR-15s". USA Today. Retrieved February 15, 2018. "AR-15 style rifles have been the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings, including the Texas church shooting Sunday, the Las Vegas concert last month, the Orlando nightclub last year and Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012."
- Oppel Jr., Richard A. (February 15, 2018). "In Florida, an AR-15 Is Easier to Buy Than a Handgun". The New York Times. "Retrieved February 15, 2018. The N.R.A. calls the AR-15 the most popular rifle in America. The carnage in Florida on Wednesday that left at least 17 dead seemed to confirm that the rifle and its variants have also become the weapons of choice for mass killers."
- Lloyd, Whitney (February 16, 2018). "Why AR-15-style rifles are popular among mass shooters". ABC News. Retrieved March 2, 2018. "AR-15-style rifles have become something of a weapon of choice for mass shooters."
- Beckett, Lois (February 16, 2018). "Most Americans can buy an AR-15 rifle before they can buy beer". The Guardian. Retrieved March 2, 2018. "While AR-15 style rifles have become the weapon of choice for some of America's most recent and deadly mass shootings, these military-style guns are still comparatively rarely used in everyday gun violence."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
There's also the difference in damage and the range to be considered:
https://globalnews.ca/news/4043345/ar-15-handgun-bullet-wounds-difference/
Now, don't get me wrong. My strong support of effective gun regulation for "modern sport rifles" like the AR-15 does not preclude effective regulation for handguns (especially models similar to the Glock brand marketed as "Cheaper than dirt").
And nobody seems to recognize that I haven't once mentioned banning anything. I'd be just as reluctant to suggest banning cars.
Anyway, carry on men. :salute :cheers:
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I’m gonna assume you think guns are the issue and not the people who are pointing them at others?
A lot of people seem to assume a lot that never entered my posts. But of course it's the people. Just like in car accidents (or even intentional car homicides). And it would be people that would have to have background checks, be fully qualified, apply for registration and occasionally re-qualify under laws that require such.
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A lot of people seem to assume a lot that never entered my posts. But of course it's the people. Just like in car accidents (or even intentional car homicides). And it would be people that would have to have background checks, be fully qualified, apply for registration and occasionally re-qualify under laws that require such.
:salute. I agree with you on having stricter laws. You shouldn’t be able to just walk in a shop and by a gun without having to do a little more than a background check.
But the problem will always exist evil people will find other ways to do evil things. Imo taking away guns will only disarm law abiding citizens from protecting themselves from enemies foreign and domestic.
It’s really a slippery slope that I don’t ever see getting better.
My idea would be to eliminate gun free zones like schools for example. Gun free zones seem to be the go to place for evil to be conducted. Idk how I feel about arming teachers with handguns but in my state/county we have a school resource officer that works for the sheriffs department, they are fully armed and we don’t have any trouble with stuff like that here.
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...aren't gun control laws are a reflection of the values and experiences we have in their use? ... like why we have playground and school zones, why the speed limit is 30MPH in certain areas, and why it's 65 or 75 on interstates? Why we require pilots licenses and log books to fly airplanes? Why you need to be tested for multi-engine. ILS flying. Nighttime. Commercial. All regulations required because someone or some company did stupid stuff?
Now that said, ya'll need a whole lot of money to be a pilot, certified on multi, ILS, night time and commercial rating. It limits the amount of crazy.
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...aren't gun control laws are a reflection of the values and experiences we have in their use? ... like why we have playground and school zones, why the speed limit is 30MPH in certain areas, and why it's 65 or 75 on interstates? Why we require pilots licenses and log books to fly airplanes? Why you need to be tested for multi-engine. ILS flying. Nighttime. Commercial. All regulations required because someone or some company did stupid stuff?
Now that said, ya'll need a whole lot of money to be a pilot, certified on multi, ILS, night time and commercial rating. It limits the amount of crazy.
You are confusing political posturing and reactionary law making with regulatory enforcement. Politicians feel they have to "do something", pretty much like the harrumph scene on Blazing Saddles. They must "act" to maintain their phony baloney jobs and the only thing they can do to "act" is pass law(s). The presumption being if they are not "acting in the face of a crisis" what the hell good ARE they. IE FAA regs are not passed by the legislature and are not proposed immediately upon the occurrence of an aviation mishap. Secondly, as I am sure you are aware while you are trolling, flying and or driving regs are not items that restrict a guaranteed personal freedom. You do not have the right to operate a motor vehicle, nor aircraft in the USA. Privileges are licensed, by the "state" be it the federal or local state, rights are not. Rights can only be removed from a citizen by the actions of a court, notably upon conviction and or commitment due to incapacitation. Now this discussion is certainly going to head into a locked forum thread so let me say "IN" before it's too late.
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Secondly, as I am sure you are aware while you are trolling, flying and or driving regs are not items that restrict a guaranteed personal freedom. You do not have the right to operate a motor vehicle, nor aircraft in the USA. Privileges are licensed, by the "state" be it the federal or local state, rights are not. Rights can only be removed from a citizen by the actions of a court, notably upon conviction and or commitment due to incapacitation.
At present, the Supreme Court has held only that the Second Amendment protects a citizen's right to keep a loaded handgun in his home for self-defense. Courts all over the country are struggling with what locations, weapon types and individuals are also covered. Regulations that are "presumptively" valid are: possession by felons; possession by the mentally ill; carrying weapons in sensitive places; and conditions and qualifications imposed on commercial sales of arms. Otherwise the debate is wide open.
Just so we all have the same starting spot!
And Fork does not troll, at least not on serious topics.
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“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Even the Constitution illuminates that certain rights require regulation. No infringement of the overall people. Regulation of individuals that have no business being near a "modern sporting rifle" (or even a semi-auto pistol) because they find shooting other humans for weird made-up reasons or no reason at all very satisfying even to the point of going to elementary schools, churches, movie theaters, restaurants and concerts to rack up a body count before a 'good guy with a gun' eventually tries to stop them.
But no worry, the politicians you claim to be infringing our rights by addressing this issue haven't been for quite some time. They have killed off effective mental health treatment, though.
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“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Even the Constitution illuminates that certain rights require regulation. No infringement of the overall people. Regulation of individuals that have no business being near a "modern sporting rifle" (or even a semi-auto pistol) because they find shooting other humans for weird made-up reasons or no reason at all very satisfying even to the point of going to elementary schools, churches, movie theaters, restaurants and concerts to rack up a body count before a 'good guy with a gun' eventually tries to stop them.
But no worry, the politicians you claim to be infringing our rights by addressing this issue haven't been for quite some time. They have killed off effective mental health treatment, though.
And yet nearly every single mass shooter was seeing a psychologist who put them under SSRI mental health medication.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Why do you believe that weapons wont be sold on the black market to terrorist like ISIS?
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And yet nearly every single mass shooter was seeing a psychologist who put them under SSRI mental health medication.
Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Why do you believe that weapons wont be sold on the black market to terrorist like ISIS?
If you're not even gonna cite the Reddit commentary threads you do your 'research' in why even bother to pretend you have a valid point?
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If you're not even gonna cite the Reddit commentary threads you do your 'research' in why even bother to pretend you have a valid point?
Hey wants a source. Yet won't believe it when he gets it lol! Why even waste my time gathering the sources.
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Hey wants a source. Yet won't believe it when he gets it lol! Why even waste my time gathering the sources.
Because your 'sources' are poo and your 'research' is merely finding other delusional reckless dot connecting. So yeah, you are wasting your time on this kinda stuff here. :aok
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Because your 'sources' are poo and your 'research' is merely finding other delusional reckless dot connecting. So yeah, you are wasting your time on this kinda stuff here. :aok
Says the guy who can't actually prove the sources are Poo.
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Says the guy who can't actually prove the sources are Poo.
That's not how it works. The person using the sources to support their pov must be prepared to also support their legitimacy (but you've given up on that since your couldn't). It's like you posting an article that claims there are Nazi moon bases and thinking it means something because nobody can prove to you that there aren't.
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Russell's Teapot.
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Russell's Teapot.
Precisely. :cheers:
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Lmfao. You called a source poo just because you don't believe it, even though it's 100% facts. That's not correct arguement and logic. You have to prove the source is invalid. If you can't, than saying a source is poo without proving so makes you liar and a fraud. Simple as that.
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Lmfao. You called a source poo just because you don't believe it, even though it's 100% facts. That's not correct arguement and logic. You have to prove the source is invalid. If you can't, than saying a source is poo without proving so makes you liar and a fraud. Simple as that.
Relax, not many here expect you to make a valid argument when it comes to the conspiracy theories you embrace. I realize that being made fun of is a trigger. :aok
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Relax, not many here expect you to make a valid argument when it comes to the conspiracy theories you embrace. I realize that being made fun of is a trigger. :aok
And yet, calling a source poo is a valid arguement even if you never read it?
Soviet logic ladies and gentlemen.
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And yet, calling a source poo is a valid arguement even if you never read it?
Soviet logic ladies and gentlemen.
And yet, NBC, the NYT, PBS and the BBC can be just discounted out of hand because the MSM is out to get us! Don't 'Soviet' me, Dudley. I'm a Cold War vet. :D
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And yet, NBC, the NYT, PBS and the BBC can be just discounted out of hand because the MSM is out to get us! Don't 'Soviet' me, Dudley. I'm a Cold War vet. :D
Whose been spewing actual conspiracy theories about Russian collision calling our president a traitor, while letting Obama off the hook for being an actual traitor? Did Trump give 1.6B in cash unnaproved to Iran? How about our Uranium to Russia? Are those 'conspiracy theories' too? You believe when they called Trump a traitor even though it's been factually proven he wasn't. Or how about all of the fear about a crashing economy when it's the best ever. Ohhh and why is BBC covering for child rape gangs and throwing reporters in prison for covering it? Sounds a lot like the enemy of the people to me.
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Just ask Chris Stevens about illegal gun trading thru Lybia to ISIS. ohh wait. Your coward media covered that up too and gave Hillary a pass after deleting 30k emails and smashing hard drives. Such a shame you people fall for this BS. Screw your coward media.
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The 'you people' thing is a bit of a giveaway. :D
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The 'you people' thing is a bit of a giveaway. :D
'you people' believe a backwards Soviet fascist propaganda machine over actual individual researchers who have been jailed or killed in many instances. You should be pretty embarrassed and ashamed of yourself for the media cowards you defend.
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'you people' believe a backwards Soviet fascist propaganda machine over actual individual researchers who have been jailed or killed in many instances. You should be pretty embarrassed and ashamed of yourself for the media cowards you defend.
Having seen this button pushed before, you're probably gonna rant and project for awhile now so the only thing to do is let you spin til you're spent. :old:
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Having seen this button pushed before, you're probably gonna rant and project for awhile now so the only thing to do is let you spin til you're spent. :old:
I will enjoy watching yall squeal when the truth gets declassified.
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I will enjoy watching yall squeal when the truth gets declassified.
The 'yall' thing is a bit of a giveaway.
The X Files will never be declassified. ;)
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The 'yall' thing is a bit of a giveaway.
The X Files will never be declassified. ;)
"Y'all" as is all of you 6 year olds calling me a 'conspiracy theorist', while supporting a news media that's nothing but 'conspiracy anti American theorist'. The difference is, my research is actually true, y'all's is not. Poor clowns.
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"Y'all" as is all of you 6 year olds calling me a 'conspiracy theorist', while supporting a news media that's nothing but 'conspiracy anti American theorist'. The difference is, my research is actually true, y'all's is not. Poor clowns.
Aw, don't take it personally. You can't help being you and most of 6 yr olds accept you as you are. :D
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"Y'all" as is all of you 6 year olds calling me a 'conspiracy theorist', while supporting a news media that's nothing but 'conspiracy anti American theorist'. The difference is, my research is actually true, y'all's is not. Poor clowns.
I bet if your theories were correct you would have been the #1 hit on so many levels along with those you follow. I once read a post from this guy who claimed hillary had over 1000 people killed based on his research. but he couldnt prove it. I posted we have proof you killed 100 and we are onto you. he hasnt posted anything since then. that was some weird doo I pulled but oh well.
semp
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I bet if your theories were correct you would have been the #1 hit on so many levels along with those you follow. I once read a post from this guy who claimed hillary had over 1000 people killed based on his research. but he couldnt prove it. I posted we have proof you killed 100 and we are onto you. he hasnt posted anything since then. that was some weird doo I pulled but oh well.
semp
I've killed over 20,000.... in AH. :rock ;)
I wouldn't be the #1 hit because I'd be banned. That's the difference between real research and fake news. I only post certain links being it's AH forum and I don't want to get too deep. Only you can do research on your own. Or keep being a sheep. The choice is yours.
Could you imagine everyone calling George Washington a "conspiracy theorist'?
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Could you imagine everyone calling George Washington a "conspiracy theorist'?
Well, self comparison to George Washington's not delusional/egotistical. Nor Napoleon, I suppose. :rofl
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Well, self comparison to George Washington's not delusional/egotistical. Nor Napoleon, I suppose. :rofl
I was asking if you could imagine.... Sheesh.
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I've killed over 20,000.... in AH. :rock ;)
I wouldn't be the #1 hit because I'd be banned. That's the difference between real research and fake news. I only post certain links being it's AH forum and I don't want to get too deep. Only you can do research on your own. Or keep being a sheep. The choice is yours.
Could you imagine everyone calling George Washington a "conspiracy theorist'?
I have 2 kills in ah. 3 ho's 6 vulchens and 10 proxies.
when somebody calls me a sheep, i wonder why he doesnst understand he's the sheep.
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Every time I have even the smallest urge to play this game?
All I have to do is come here, and it reminds me of why I no longer play this game!
So, thanks guys.. For saving me the trouble of setting up all this equipment and crap!
LOL, I'll go shooting instead.. Much less BS, far more rewarding..
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I've killed over 20,000.... in AH. :rock ;)
I wouldn't be the #1 hit because I'd be banned. That's the difference between real research and fake news. I only post certain links being it's AH forum and I don't want to get too deep. Only you can do research on your own. Or keep being a sheep. The choice is yours.
Could you imagine everyone calling George Washington a "conspiracy theorist'?
bro start thinking for yourself, people that claim we are right and try to sell you something dont have the best interest in you. but you are too far gone, to even understand that.
semp
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bro start thinking for yourself, people that claim we are right and try to sell you something dont have the best interest in you. but you are too far gone, to even understand that.
semp
You just don't get it do ya Scottie? I I am the only one 'thinking' for my self in this entire thread. You are just too far propagandised by soviet failing media to understand. It's a shame. I'd expect children to fall for it. Not grown men. Only you can do real research and find out the truth. Or don't. Keep letting CNN tell you how to think. :aok
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I have no idea how many I have killed or how many times I have been killed. I just look forward to the next good fight. I don't always win those either.
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You just don't get it do ya Scottie? I I am the only one 'thinking' for my self in this entire thread. You are just too far propagandised by soviet failing media to understand. It's a shame. I'd expect children to fall for it. Not grown men. Only you can do real research and find out the truth. Or don't. Keep letting CNN tell you how to think. :aok
i can research on my own just fine. I just dont think some obscure person posting with no data/info to back up their research is a reliable source. and you have not posted one single credible source in any of your postings. just a "well this guy/girl says".
when I was a young boy, everybody believed in "mal de ojo". meaning if you stare at a newborn he would get sick. been around for a long time in several countries all around the world. yet no data to back it up, it's a stupid superstition. but to this day I know many people who still believe in that.
that's what you remind me of. you have no data to back up any of your statements, so everybody else is wrong because you believe what you believe. you will find data somewhere to back up your beliefs, even if there isnt any reliable source. you have a preset mind and you will find anything to back up your misconceptions. so the rest of us are just pawns and sheep just because you believe you are right. even when we present data to you that you are wrong you will disregard it because to you the alternative is unthinkable. that's called being paranoid.
that preset mind is not different than mine when I fly. i was in the marines so being in the air is part of it. I always believed that whatever aircraft I am in is going to crash. I never hesitated to climb aboard any aircraft. but to me that fear was real. i carried barf bags more than ammo. I have flown so many times that the thought of it makes me sick. I could look up statements on the internet to prove my theory that aircrafts arent safe. but then the rational part of me tell me I am just looking up something to back up my irrational fears. I wont fly if I can help it, I would rather drive, even though I also believe that driving is more dangerous than flying. but I get into an airplane and that fear is real to me.
that's what I see in you. you will find somewhere somehow data to back up your thinking even if that data is not credible.
anyway....
semp
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i can research on my own just fine. I just dont think some obscure person posting with no data/info to back up their research is a reliable source. and you have not posted one single credible source in any of your postings. just a "well this guy/girl says".
when I was a young boy, everybody believed in "mal de ojo". meaning if you stare at a newborn he would get sick. been around for a long time in several countries all around the world. yet no data to back it up, it's a stupid superstition. but to this day I know many people who still believe in that.
that's what you remind me of. you have no data to back up any of your statements, so everybody else is wrong because you believe what you believe. you will find data somewhere to back up your beliefs, even if there isnt any reliable source. you have a preset mind and you will find anything to back up your misconceptions. so the rest of us are just pawns and sheep just because you believe you are right. even when we present data to you that you are wrong you will disregard it because to you the alternative is unthinkable. that's called being paranoid.
that preset mind is not different than mine when I fly. i was in the marines so being in the air is part of it. I always believed that whatever aircraft I am in is going to crash. I never hesitated to climb aboard any aircraft. but to me that fear was real. i carried barf bags more than ammo. I have flown so many times that the thought of it makes me sick. I could look up statements on the internet to prove my theory that aircrafts arent safe. but then the rational part of me tell me I am just looking up something to back up my irrational fears. I wont fly if I can help it, I would rather drive, even though I also believe that driving is more dangerous than flying. but I get into an airplane and that fear is real to me.
that's what I see in you. you will find somewhere somehow data to back up your thinking even if that data is not credible.
anyway....
semp
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/879hal/breaking_the_us_government_has_reveleaed_that/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8celny/boston_bomber_tamerlan_tsarnaev_was_likely_an_fbi/
https://i.redd.it/yjq2xn3mbrj01.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/85njs1/209_pounds_of_methamphetamine_138_pounds_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/81sert/bruce_paddock_gets_19_of_20_charges_dropped/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7mwgf9/i_think_obama_spent_about_65000_of_the_taxpayers/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/787vm6/tony_pizza_for_an_hour_podesta_is_trending_on/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/75rfjx/jesus_campos_is_not_registered_in_security/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/75ojzh/casino_admits_vegas_investigators_publicized_a/
Tons of links and threads here If you are actually interested in learning. And this is only a starter pack since I don't have a lot of time. Stop defending evil!
You are being very arrogant.
All of these are credible. if you don't think they are. Go research for yourself.
You want more?
https://nypost.com/2017/05/26/de-blasio-staffer-arrested-for-child-pornography/
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cia-officer-sentenced-prison-espionage
https://explainlife.com/angela-merkel-trump-has-almost-destroyed-the-new-world-order-3866
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/another-islamist-training-camp-found-heartland-us-linked-bulldozed-new-mexico-compound/
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/05/13/report-fbi-finds-child-remains-obstacle-course-at-suspected-jihad-camp-in-alabama/
This is the same guy from the new mexico compound.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1129918338597941248
Justin Amash is a sellout to China and Romney approves.
https://youtu.be/-kuLGCkmZv8
Baltimore being held hostage by cyber hackers.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/breaking-president-trumps-motorcade-involved-in-accident-on-louisiana-highway-three-officers-injured/
https://nypost.com/2019/05/13/nxivm-benefactor-funneled-illegal-donations-to-win-clintons-favor-ex-cult-member/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/02/insys-therapeutics-john-kapoor-found-guilty-fentanyl-bribery-case/3561518002/
https://www.1776channel.com/2017/03/17/us/whistleblower-tapes-trump-wiretapped-zillion-times-hammer-brennans-clappers-secret-computer-system/
https://truepundit.com/research-has-uncovered-41-million-of-taxpayer-subsidized-islamism/
https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-and-isis-were-funded-from-the-same-source/
Probably the most important video you could watch today.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/texas-mayor-arrested-for-voter-fraud/
http://kwbe.com/abc_health/60-arrested-across-5-states-in-appalachia-opioid-takedown-abcid36176428/
https://www.disclose.tv/the-kalergi-plan-the-real-reason-that-the-european-union-is-so-hostile-to-donald-trump-311329
https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp
https://ziggyspeaks.wordpress.com/2019/03/19/geo-engineering-our-planet/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/antifa-controlled-portland-police-bureau-faces-mass-exodus-as-50-officers-quit-over-insane-and-dangerous-far-left-policies/
https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
1,375 well sourced examples of Obama's Fraud.
Tell me Semp. Wtf don't they care about Obama's corruption? It's all here.
https://www.fox5vegas.com/human-trafficking-victims-rescued-more-than-suspects-arrested-in-california/article_a932695a-4158-5c44-8238-7b526ddee386.html
More than 300 arrested and 48 saved. Right here in America.
This is only going back 2 months too. I didn't even post Feinstein talking to Iran on an iPhone, her Chinese manager spy. Nor did I post the recent 1500 gun seizure next to Beyonce and JayZs house at the Getty Mansion. Nor did post the helicopter air raid that happened a few months ago right in the middle of LA at 4 in the morning. Nor did I post how Trump seized a China owned port in Long Beach. There is so much out there. It's a shame you all only read garbage.
Tell me it's all fake Semp.
And this is just the PG rated stuff.
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Alright don’t ever question Violaters sources: check
I will add here, I’m not saying R/the_donald is wrong. But they are extremely biased in there. As most people are about politics. And no this isn’t a dig at your source.
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Alright don’t ever question Violaters sources: check
I will add here, I’m not saying R/the_donald is wrong. But they are extremely biased in there. As most people are about politics. And no this isn’t a dig at your source.
If it's biased towards traitors who have damaged and inflicted pain among the American people and our military, than I don't really care. The sources I posted today weren't sourced from the Donald either ;)
The Donald is just a fan site anyway where people can post news stories or c hit post or personal experiences. It's not really a site that is used for debates.
You want to talk about Bias?
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/05/17/exclusive-facebook-includes-candace-owens-on-hate-agents-list/
Democratic corporations suppressing and 'actively monitoring' conservative journalist and speakers, harassing them, and destroying their channels.
Don't worry. Devin Nunes has a nice surprise for them. Q said "Dorsey showed his hand" "Action will be swift". Literally the next day Nunes rolled out a huge lawsuit on Twitter quoting, "there will be more".
I'm just trying to get you guys to understand.
Stay prepared out there.
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I'm just trying to get you guys to understand.
Makes me think of a quote I heard once.
Some people hear hoofbeats outside, and think it must be a zebra.
- oldman
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I'm just trying to get you guys to understand.
Tryin' quite a bit too hard. I suspect there's more understanding than you realize.
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dmonslyr do you understand that you dont have freedom of expression in any apps like facebook, twiiter, and others. what you have is what they tell you you have. they can write rules like left handed people can only type on tuesdays and wednsdays and not violate the rights of anybody?
as for that spreadsheet posted as proof. look at it again. you will see mistakes that are so obvious as to question it's authenticity. even I can do a spreadsheet like that and will look more authentic.
semp
semp
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dmonslyr do you understand that you dont have freedom of expression in any apps like facebook, twiiter, and others. what you have is what they tell you you have. they can write rules like left handed people can only type on tuesdays and wednsdays and not violate the rights of anybody?
as for that spreadsheet posted as proof. look at it again. you will see mistakes that are so obvious as to question it's authenticity. even I can do a spreadsheet like that and will look more authentic.
semp
semp
Ahh, but you see, they cannot break their own terms of service just to spite people they don't agree with. Many like FB were funded by a government group called Darpa. They aren't exactly "private companies". Why are they trying so hard when it's all BS anyway? If it's all BS then surely it shouldn't be a threat. Dorsey cannot change the algorithm so that his fraud posters show up at the top of every Trump tweet. Twitter cannot ban someone for liking a tweet, or following a poster, they are. And again, why does the left have to channel burn (book burn) to prove they are right? That's like Nazi or something.... Systematic oppression of ideas from a media platform funded by outside foreign governments surely isn't right. Dont worry though. Nunes will have his day in court as a citizen being abused by twitter. There are far far darker things associated with those sites that I cannot share. Think James Gunn.
I'm not sure what 'spreadsheet' you are taking about. Semp, the world is in danger or evil lucifarian forces. What is there not to get? There's a reason why we are draining the swamp and it's far bigger than you realize.
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Ahh, but you see, they cannot break their own terms of service just to spite people they don't agree with. Many like FB were funded by a government group called Darpa. They aren't exactly "private companies". Why are they trying so hard when it's all BS anyway? If it's all BS then surely it shouldn't be a threat. Dorsey cannot change the algorithm so that his fraud posters show up at the top of every Trump tweet. Twitter cannot ban someone for liking a tweet, or following a poster, they are. And again, why does the left have to channel burn (book burn) to prove they are right? That's like Nazi or something.... Systematic oppression of ideas from a media platform funded by outside foreign governments surely isn't right. Dont worry though. Nunes will have his day in court as a citizen being abused by twitter. There are far far darker things associated with those sites that I cannot share. Think James Gunn.
I'm not sure what 'spreadsheet' you are taking about. Semp, the world is in danger or evil lucifarian forces. What is there not to get? There's a reason why we are draining the swamp and it's far bigger than you realize.
you posted a link to breitbarf talking non sense about some spreadsheet and you didnt read your source?
semp
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you posted a link to breitbarf talking non sense about some spreadsheet and you didnt read your source?
semp
You should have been more specific. That spreadsheet was sent to them by a whistleblower. Have to take it for what it is. Of course it's not racist mysoginist when the left bans a black woman for their ideas though. Tsk tsk.
You should be more concerned about what she was banned for.
They didn't go after James Gunn when he talked about eating and doing terrible things to little boys. I wonder why. Hell, even Disney hired him back to write your children movies. How lovely.
Semp... This is not a joke.
https://pics.me.me/mike-tokes-miketokes-breaking-death-of-trump-hhs-official-daniel-37769290.png
I'm sad that it's come to this.
Good thing Australia is waking up and voting in a conservative party.
5 eyes should be banned.
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He's totally out of control now. This is actually kinda worrisome.
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(https://i.imgur.com/zGHQb4O.gif)
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how specific do you want me to be your source only material is that spreadsheet. and clearly you can tell it's fake. I'm pretty sure somebody like you that does so much research can see that, can't you? I mean you always question your sources to verify them right?
semp
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how specific do you want me to be your source only material is that spreadsheet. and clearly you can tell it's fake. I'm pretty sure somebody like you that does so much research can see that, can't you? I mean you always question your sources to verify them right?
semp
She was banned for 7 days Semp. Thousands of conservative twitter accounts and YouTube accounts have been banned. That's all the proof I need that they have a wrap sheet. Why are you defending this?
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He's totally out of control now. This is actually kinda worrisome.
It worry's me the screwed in the head cowards you defend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hundreds of thousands have been murdered because of disregarding real journalist and writing them off. F you!
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It worry's me the screwed in the head cowards you defend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hundreds of thousands have been murdered because of disregarding real journalist and writing them off. F you!
Baseless personal attacks aren't making your attempted points valid. :old:
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She was banned for 7 days Semp. Thousands of conservative twitter accounts and YouTube accounts have been banned. That's all the proof I need that they have a wrap sheet. Why are you defending this?
of course they have some kind of list. but that specific spreadsheet is a fake.
you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
semp
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of course they have some kind of list. but that specific spreadsheet is a fake.
you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
semp
So was Obama's Birth certificate and we have a lot more proof and analysis. LoL. Just ask the woman who made it. Ohh wait!
I'd have to see a real analysis to prove that its fake. Would be bad for Breitbart if you could actually prove it's a fake.
Are you saying Breitbart used foe sources? Or they just make made it up?
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Breitbart News Network (known commonly as Breitbart News, Breitbart or Breitbart.com) is a far-right syndicated American news, opinion and commentary website founded in mid-2007 by conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, who conceived it as "the Huffington Post of the right." Its journalists are widely considered to be ideologically driven, and some of its content has been called misogynistic, xenophobic, and racist by liberals and many traditional conservatives alike. The site has published a number of lies, conspiracy theories, and intentionally misleading stories.
Citations:
Jessica Roy (November 14, 2016). "What is the alt-right? A refresher course on Steve Bannon's fringe brand of conservatism". Los Angeles Times. ISSN 0458-3035. Under Bannon's leadership, Breitbart published ... articles regurgitating conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton and her staff."
Ken Thomas; Catherine Lucey; Julie Pace (November 17, 2016). "Trump picks national security adviser". Associated Press. Bannon's news website has peddled conspiracy theories"
Benjy Sarlin (November 14, 2016). "Analysis: Breitbart's Steve Bannon leads the 'alt right' to the White House". NBC News. [A] major question moving forward will be how the Breitbart wing gets along with more traditional Republican leaders uncomfortable with its emphasis on race-baiting headlines and conspiracy theories."
Gregory Krieg (August 22, 2016). "The new birthers: Debunking the Hillary Clinton health conspiracy". CNN. Breitbart News ... has also been among the most consistent and highly trafficked peddlers of the conspiracy theories surrounding Clinton's health."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitbart_News
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
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LMFAO. You are such a joke.
But it's not racist or mysoginist to ban a black woman from Twitter is it?
Do you really believe this BS. Very sad.
Hey.. Arlo. Why don't you go ask Joan Rivers what she thinks of Michelle Obama. Oh wait!
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Are you competing for the 'Best Straw Grasper' award or something?
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Are you competing for the 'Best Straw Grasper' award or something?
Are you really this dumb?
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Are you really this dumb?
Well, I'm certainly not your level of crazy. *ShruG*
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Well, I'm certainly not your level of crazy. *Shrugg*
Yeah, you are 10x more crazy.
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Yeah, you are 10x more crazy.
If so, I'm fairly certain that I keep mine out of the public eye a lot better. :D
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If so, I'm fairly certain that I keep mine out of the public eye a lot better. :D
I could care less. I'd rather people learn the actual truth about why our society has been so degraded. Your comments prove you support your own citizens demise. That's crazy dude.
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I could care less. I'd rather people learn the actual truth about why our society has been so degraded. Your comments prove you support your own citizens demise. That's crazy dude.
It's actually 'couldn't care less' and you sure make up weird toejame about people just because they find your posts loopy.
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It's actually 'couldn't care less' and you sure make up weird toejame about people just because they find your posts loopy.
Yeah, sometimes my phone auto corrects and I don't see it until too late. Which is why I edit so many post BTW. Grammar not my strength. I'm a #s guy.
They are only loopy if you chose to be arrogant.
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They are only loopy if you chose to be arrogant.
Or .... pointing out how loopy they our brings out yours.
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Or .... pointing out how loopy they our brings out yours.
Are* ;) :D
But you can't point to any actual reasoning that they are loopy. It's all things your fake news forgets to inform you on.
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I will 100% acknowledge and give you credit if you prove me wrong on a source with actual information to back it up. Until then, you are just clowning.
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Are* ;) :D
But you can't point to any actual reasoning that they are loopy. It's all things your fake news forgets to inform you on.
They're loopy because you treat rumor as if it's fact. If you're gonna stand on rumor as reason and demand it be proven false to you when you never needed it to be proven true to you then you're not an actual fact-based reasoner. The biggest tell is how angry, accusative and projective you get when you aren't taken as seriously as you want.
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They're loopy because you treat rumor as if it's fact. If you're gonna stand on rumor as reason and demand it be proven false to you when you never needed it to be proven true to you then you're not an actual fact-based reasoner. The biggest tell is how angry, accusative and projective you get when you aren't taken as seriously as you want.
Even though it's not Rumor lol. The biggest tell is that you cannot actually refute any sources, and then write some BS abstract comment that has nothing to do with the information. Typical of an arrogant lefty losing a debate.
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Even though it's not Rumor lol. The biggest tell is that you cannot actually refute any sources, and then write some BS abstract comment that has nothing to do with the information. Typical of an arrogant lefty losing a debate.
I told you that spreadsheet from breidbarf is fake didn't even bother to ask me why it's a fake.
semp
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I told you that spreadsheet from breidbarf is fake didn't even bother to ask me why it's a fake.
semp
So was Obama's Birth certificate and we have a lot more proof and analysis. LoL. Just ask the woman who made it. Ohh wait!
I'd have to see a real analysis to prove that its fake. Would be bad for Breitbart if you could actually prove it's a fake.
Are you saying Breitbart used foe sources? Or they just make made it up?
Are you not reading my post lol 😂
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-20/hundreds-black-vest-migrants-seize-paris-airport-terminal-france-does-not-belong
"But nuffin happenin guys, it's all just rumors."
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It's the tangents, as well. I'm sure that in your mind it's all related and proves something but to a rational mind, a hundred links to a hundred wildly different things from spurious sources doesn't prove much of anything.
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It's the tangents, as well. I'm sure that in your mind it's all related and proves something but to a rational mind, a hundred links to a hundred wildly different things from spurious sources doesn't prove much of anything.
It proves you are an arrogant disinfo shill. That's all. I'm sorry your small mind cannot connect the dots. Probably why you support your own country's demise by encouraging them to remain stupid.
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It proves you are an arrogant disinfo shill. That's all. I'm sorry your small mind cannot connect the dots. Probably why you support your own country's demise by encouraging them to remain stupid.
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Are you not reading my post lol 😂
dude braidbarf is known for putting misleading news, fake news from unreliable sources. hell they even posted news from tabloids.
as for that spreadsheet, that is laughable.
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You should be more concerned about your media and intel agencies getting arrested for treason, a coup plot, and assassination texts and attempts, against our president. Also for using an unverified dossier that your entire media of so called ' fact journalist' all mislead the people on for 2 years. And yet, you still trust them like blind arrogant fool. It's coming buddy! Nothing you can do to stop it. Too bad.
The days of communist shills invading our government is OVER.
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Lighten up, Tail Gunner Joe.
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http://muellerreport.libsyn.com/website/ii-russian-active-measures-social-media-campaign-mueller-report-audio
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I’m right leaning. And even I know brietbart isn’t really a fair shake of a news platform. Anything with extreme bias (cnn left leaning) fox (right leaning) I take with a grain of salt. You should to Violater.
Screw being in the middle. The left and its media are literally funded by foreign governments to subvert and destroy the US from within. YouTube Yuri Bezmenov. What Twitter is doing to Candice Owens and thousands of others is proof that they are losing the narrative and must ban or discredit people to prevent their voice from being heard. Anti American at it's finest. I will not stand for this cowardice. I will not bow to Islam. I will not bow to China. "We will not bend, we will not break, we will never give up, we will never back down, and we will always fight on to victory."
Stop falling for the lies of coward traitors.
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More and more you sound like one of them Russian trolls, yaknow, man. I won't abide.
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More and more you sound like one of them Russian trolls, yaknow, man. I won't abide.
The ones hired by the DNC?
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The ones hired by the DNC?
I noticed you left out Russia in the claims of who you won't bow to.
Just out of curiosity, what branch did you serve in and when?
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I noticed you left out Russia in the claims of who you won't bow to.
Just out of curiosity, what branch did you serve in and when?
Only democrats bow to Russians. Just ask Bernie "their land is his land after all!" He sung it in Russia. Not me.
After all, only Hillary actually paid for fake Russian dirt on Trump. Why aren't you pointing the finger at her? Why is she allowed to use British and American and Russian intelligence agencies against her opponents but Trump cannot? Weak.
Womp womp.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/20/meadows-declassification-russia/
I serve the branch of Free American citizens.
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I serve the branch of Free American citizens.
Yeah, thought so. You're about as patriotic as borscht and as brave as a cockroach. :D
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Yeah, thought so. You're about as patriotic as borscht and as brave as a cockroach. :D
Still better than a sorry communist coward POS.
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Still better than a communist coward POS.
Actually, it's very much the same.
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Do you have any links or sources tying to Mr. Donalds bank accounts at deutsche bank showing fraudulent activity IE money laundering?
What Trump has done in his personal life no where compares to the financial acts of Hillary Clinton and her cowards while being members of government using American tax dollars. Just watch Clinton Cash by Peter Schweizer to have your mind blown.
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I detect an Andrew Jackson moment here!
Swords or Pistols, gentlemen????
I got popcorn! :x
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I detect an Andrew Jackson moment here!
Swords or Pistols, gentlemen????
I got popcorn! :x
I thought you left to play with your guns? You offering arms? :D
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This 14 year old girl has bigger balls than all of you.
https://www.bit-chute.com/video/OdaUDeAGIck/
Remove the hyphen in the link.
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/police-investigating-after-north-bay-teen-makes-hate-based-videos/2009954650
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I thought you left to play with your guns? You offering arms? :D
This is too good to miss..
Yes I would, I have a nice pair of colt .44 dragoons..
Who needs a holster, just stick em in your belt!
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This 14 year old girl has bigger balls than all of you.
https://www.squeakute.com/video/OdaUDeAGIck/
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/police-investigating-after-north-bay-teen-makes-hate-based-videos/2009954650
I agree with ya man.. I know this place reeks of the blue koolade!
Many have left because of it!
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This is too good to miss..
Yes I would, I have a nice pair of colt .44 dragoons..
Who needs a holster, just stick em in your belt!
Kinda depends on the type of duel, I reckon. I used to practice SAR quick draw. I might have a smidgen of skill left. :D
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I agree with ya man.. I know this place reeks of the blue koolade!
Many have left because of it!
Meh. No it don't. And no, apparently not that many actually leave. ;)
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Meh. No it don't. And no, apparently not that many actually leave. ;)
Down at the bottom of the BB index page, it states the highest number
of people ever on this board.. I remember being on this BB that day..
April 2 2008, months before the election..
It was FULL FLAME back in those days.. Then the PC ban hammer fell!
Since then, MANY are gone!
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Down at the bottom of the BB index page, it states the highest number
of people ever on this board.. I remember being on this BB that day..
April 2 2008, months before the election..
It was FULL FLAME back in those days..
Since then, MANY are gone!
Like you. Just kinda stayin' stealth mode until you see something worth flapping your arms in. Word'll spread. Ah, the post-Skuzzy days of testing the waters is startin' to show. :D
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See this is where you are wrong. You are biased. You can’t say well it’s ok if my guy does it but what about her! That’s where you lost me.
Everyone should be held accountable regardless left or right.
And what did Trump do in his personal life, that equates to
sending arms and munitions to Al Nusra/Al Qeada operatives in Syria???
Or having secret information on an unsecured server, resulting in many
of our operatives in China being killed! Then using bleach bit to hide it???
When people die, due to their treachery, it's called "Blood Treason"..
They hanged Ethel Rosenberg for less than that!
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Well, now there'll be two posting GRU sponsored gibberish and calling everyone else cowards and traitors for not falling for it.
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See this is where you are wrong. You are biased. You can’t say well it’s ok if my guy does it but what about her! That’s where you lost me.
Everyone should be held accountable regardless left or right.
No no buddy. That's where you are wrong. It's up to the DOJ to prove fraud. There's been over 30 years to 'investigate' Trump for any wrong doing. Wheres the evidence? Did you know sweetheart bank owned Trump's debt and then sold it to a Russian bank?
Government fraud is always 50x worse than private fraud. Trump has broken 0 laws with the people's money. But it's okay for Obama to spend 1.4B in unauthorized cash to Iran? Right. If you think I'm biased, go watch Clinton Cash right now. Ohh and showing your financial records to be president is not in the Constitution. Let's see Nancy's taxes hahah. Let's see Obama's college records. LOL.
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Well, now there'll be two posting GRU sponsored gibberish and calling everyone else cowards and traitors for not falling for it.
GRU sponsored gibberish???
That is exactly why this place has a reputation as Pinko Paradise! :rofl
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It's okay for Hillary to get kickbacks from Russia to her private foundation for sellng US uranium to Russia while she was SOS wasn't it....so biased...
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Wow what a load of rubbish,I hope Dale has a moment to deal with it.
:salute
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PNG me.. It's OK.. This game is dying anyway!
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GRU sponsored gibberish???
That is exactly why this place has a reputation as Pinko Paradise! :rofl
Exaggeration is what makes your arguments so fun to read. :D
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PNG me.. It's OK.. This game is dying anyway!
Oh yeah. You serve no good function here. :aok
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Oh yeah. You serve no good function here. :aok
Wahhhhh Boooo Hooooo!
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Wahhhhh Boooo Hooooo!
8 yr old much? You with guns is kinda worrisome.
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8 yr old much? You with guns is kinda worrisome.
BAN ME! :rofl You are the one that snivels!
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BAN ME! :rofl You are the one that snivels!
Huh.
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Well, if I am still here tomorrow???
Then maybe this BB has regrown some balls!
If not? Ah, I live in the real world, so it's no loss!
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Well, if I am still here tomorrow???
Then maybe this BB has regrown some balls!
You have a mission, I see. Good luck with that.
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PNG me.. It's OK.. This game is dying anyway!
it started dying when you left. please come back and help us :pray :pray :pray
semp
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Wow what a load of rubbish,I hope Dale has a moment to deal with it.
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Aww come on Morph. You aren't having fun battling trolls on the intardnet? :D
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Aww come on Morph. You aren't having fun battling trolls on the intardnet? :D
what really makes me sad is you actually believe you aren't the troll.
semp
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Aww come on Morph. You aren't having fun battling trolls on the intardnet? :D
Battling trolls is one thing but when you live under a bridge,well whats that saying about glass houses and throwing stones???
I would like to go in depth with you on this but,it's against the forum rules,hence why I called it a load of rubbish.
:salute
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what really makes me sad is you actually believe you aren't the troll.
semp
I eat Trolls for breakfast, Semp.
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Battling trolls is one thing but when you live under a bridge,well whats that saying about glass houses and throwing stones???
I would like to go in depth with you on this but,it's against the forum rules,hence why I called it a load of rubbish.
:salute
Arlo made me do it! I swear!
Wish we could. :salute
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Fat people should not be allowed guns until they have self control :old:
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LOL, what do ya ya know...
I'm still here..
I'm impressed! :cheers:
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LOL, what do ya ya know...
I'm still here..
I'm impressed! :cheers:
You should taunt HT to ban you more and fudge talk his game again. That was so impressive before. :aok