We have 23 cases. All cases are returning people from overseas held in quarantine until they are cleared (typically after 2 weeks, with no symptoms, and passing 3 covid-19 tests).
We haven't had a single case of community transmission for over 100 days. ie, zero nil nada zip cases of covid-19 internally.
But, you have had 2 million cases and a 160,000 cases.
<folds arms>
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 07, 2020, 08:35:09 PM
I'm not sure why you are surprised...
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 07, 2020, 08:37:52 PM
Funny thing.... most cases are like a cold or nothing at all.
Yall probably have some, you just will not know if you do not test everyone.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Easyscor on August 07, 2020, 09:38:06 PM
That didn't take long.
To the OP, see Spikes post. btw, your figures are out of date.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 07, 2020, 11:07:27 PM
Funny thing.... most cases are like a cold or nothing at all.
Yall probably have some, you just will not know if you do not test everyone.
I have had colds and flues since i was born. I talk to some of my friends that were under quarantine for testing positive and I never got that sick. to me the flu or cold was high fever and body aches, some coughing and nose drips. my friends sound like they're drowning. I was never scared these people sounded really scared on the phone. this girl told me she thought she would die at any moment. one of my nephews felt tired for days, he fell asleep driving and totaled his car, at the hospital they told him he was positive.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 08, 2020, 06:50:41 AM
Some of us doubt the numbers being reported by some..
Please search youtube for:
4/19/20 Illinios Gov covid breifing
Go to 15:05 on the video.
The gov health states how they code a covid death.
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Meatwad on August 08, 2020, 08:14:40 AM
Yes the hospitals in this state will code a non-covid death as covid related simply because they will get free money if they do
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 08, 2020, 09:15:44 AM
We have 23 cases. All cases are returning people from overseas held in quarantine until they are cleared (typically after 2 weeks, with no symptoms, and passing 3 covid-19 tests).
We haven't had a single case of community transmission for over 100 days. ie, zero nil nada zip cases of covid-19 internally.
But, you have had 2 million cases and a 160,000 cases.
<folds arms>
I believe the population of NZ is around 5 million. There are more people than that living within a 50 mile radius of my house. Apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 08, 2020, 09:58:42 PM
no i only speak for myself unless i actually mention anybody else.
but what i did point out is that it wasn't exactly a ban.
semp
Exactly because some politicians and media immediately decried the ban. You might go back and see who those folks were. Same ones saying nothing was done.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MiloMorai on August 09, 2020, 05:19:14 AM
The back door was closed (China) but the front door was left wide open (EU). Perfect breeding ground was those sardine (people) packed airports of returning Americans who then dispersed all over the USA.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 09, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
Not to mention the anti body testing being done on younger and healthier folks showing they already had it there by increasing the positive testcases and decreasing all the other percentages half our leaders are using to try to keep the country scared and locked up..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Volron on August 09, 2020, 08:06:18 AM
Exactly because some politicians and media immediately decried the ban. You might go back and see who those folks were. Same ones saying nothing was done.
i actually came to that conclusion that it wasn't a ban on my own as soon trump announced it.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Busher on August 09, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
IN before the lock. Any idea how tiring the "fake news", "covid conspiracy", "TDS" crap gets? Why did a worldwide war on a disease become an American political football?
Lock please HT!
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RUSH1 on August 09, 2020, 02:02:24 PM
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Chalenge on August 09, 2020, 03:41:04 PM
Before the lock I have to say HCQ saved my life even before CV19. I've been taking it for years when travelling to the mosquito breeding lands. Still, being Type-O probably helps a lot now.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 09, 2020, 07:09:03 PM
i took it too sometimes, always got me nauseous. it's good for malaria and lupus but that's about it.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 09, 2020, 09:45:31 PM
IN before the lock. Any idea how tiring the "fake news", "covid conspiracy", "TDS" crap gets? Why did a worldwide war on a disease become an American political football?
Lock please HT!
Exactly
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 10, 2020, 04:53:46 AM
i took it too sometimes, always got me nauseous. it's good for malaria and lupus but that's about it.
semp
Why do you say those are the only diseases it is useful for?
We can’t prove antioxidants keep cells from mutation, i.e. cancer, yet I’ve never heard of any doctor say antioxidants don’t help keep cells healthy.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Vulcan on August 10, 2020, 03:43:44 PM
Urrrghhhh, that was really interesting. I thought huh, anti-malaria drugs... my kids have a natural immunity to malaria through a genetic condition called G6PD. I thought maybe it'd make them resistant to covid-19, looked up and hell no it makes them more susceptible to it :confused:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 10, 2020, 03:53:19 PM
Urrrghhhh, that was really interesting. I thought huh, anti-malaria drugs... my kids have a natural immunity to malaria through a genetic condition called G6PD. I thought maybe it'd make them resistant to covid-19, looked up and hell no it makes them more susceptible to it :confused:
Odd how that works. Seems if you have asthma, you have less chance of getting it.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 10, 2020, 03:56:25 PM
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 11, 2020, 11:31:23 AM
Arizona saw large increases after restrictions were let up on Memorial Day.
Then saw the highest number of cases in the world for a week & a half + after July 4th Independence Day celebrations. Our ICU RN’s went from 2:1 patient ratio to 3:1 in the Phoenix area. I don’t know any RNs that have ever said they’ve had more than 2.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 11, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
Tried to read it but was blocked. Must be full of ads.
Most everything viewable online for free is full of ads. I can still help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Transcript of article plus charts follow: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A healthcare official in Huntsville on Monday pointed firmly at the Memorial Day weekend last month soon after Alabama began to reopen as a cause of surges in coronavirus cases.
“Our current case growth is most likely linked to the Memorial Day festivities and reopening,” said Dr. Pam Hudson, CEO of Crestwood Medical Center in south Huntsville. “While it may be difficult to prove that, except in hindsight, I think we’re experiencing a small taste of how that can be (in Huntsville). Around the state, this certainly has been more clearly linked.”
Madison County, home of Huntsville, has seen a sharp increase in positive COVID-19 tests in recent days – a trend mirrored across much of the state. To the southeast, Morgan County, home of Decatur, is also seeing a rapid spike in new cases.
The upbeat briefings in Huntsville in April and early May are gone. “This past weekend showed we have a long road ahead and more work to do,” Madison County Commission Chair Dale Strong said Monday.
Since Memorial Day, Madison County added 269 new coronavirus cases, a 91 percent increase. Morgan County added 473 new cases since then, a staggering 287 percent increase.
“One of the things we’ve been talking about over the past weeks is the anticipated rise in discovered cases once we reopened our community and certainly following Memorial Day weekend,” said Hudson. “It is rather stark when you look at the fact that more cases in the last 14 days than any other time since March. And that 50 percent of the increase is coming from these newly discovered cases.”
(https://i.imgur.com/sBjCOTQ.png)
Chart: Ramsey Archibald - Source: Alabama Department of Public Health (https://dph1.adph.state.al.us/covid-19/)
While both counties saw their new case counts start to go up after the Memorial Day weekend, it seems likely the holiday had more of an impact on Madison County’s case numbers than Morgan’s.
Morgan County – which borders Madison County to the southwest -- has seen an average of 22.5 new cases every day since Memorial Day. But Morgan County’s spike began essentially on Memorial Day itself - May 25.
The virus is thought to have an incubation period that can last as long as 14 days, though is often between four and five days. It’s unlikely the holiday weekend would have caused such a large increase in cases so soon in Morgan County.
Madison County, on the other hand, saw cases increase dramatically starting almost exactly two weeks after the holiday. The 7-day average for new cases there went from 6.9 on June 7, two weeks after the holiday, to a high of 25.7 on Monday. That’s a 275 percent increase in the 7-day average in just over a week.
(https://i.imgur.com/QIVbGcW.png)
Chart: Ramsey Archibald - Source: Alabama Department of Public Health (https://dph1.adph.state.al.us/covid-19/)
In Madison County, there has been a “significant increase” in the number of African Americans testing positive, Hudson said. She said that new cases in recent weeks are about an even split between black and white residents – a disproportionate burden given that blacks make up only 25 percent of the county population.
“Blacks are over-represented in the test positives,” Hudson said.
The age demographic has also trended young, Hudson said, with the majority of cases in the 24 to 49 age group.
Hudson advocated for wearing masks and said that studies have shown that not only do they protect the people around you, a face covering can help insulate the wearer as well.
“Evidence is now that even the cloth masks can protect the wearer from about 80 percent of virus particles,” Hudson said. “Masks reduce the number of virus particles that get past the barrier and that means 80 percent can’t reach your nose and mouth, which is the way we catch this. Having a smaller viral attack rate means your body has a better chance of winning the battle and having a less severe illness. So wear your mask. The life you save may be your own.”
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 11, 2020, 02:20:58 PM
I think I had it back in May. I literally thought I was dying. Bad chest pains, shortness of breath and tired all the time. My google search was full of searches for heart disease and all sorts of other things. I thought I had congestive heart failure! But I never had a fever. Not once. I do take a lot of over the counter pain meds though. I also had a cough. Hell I couldn't walk from here to 7/11 on the corner (about 5 minutes) without feeling like I was going to keel over. I went to doc...convinced that I had heart disease. He did EKG and it was fine. Also, my heart rate during this time averages 20 beats more than it did before or after. Oh well, who knows. I know I thought I was dying. I even made out a will and wrote a letter to my kids.
Now I feel a lot better. I was ill for over a month. Who knows? Sorry for rambling. Just smoked.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 11, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
Same here back in March
Everything but fever but now they are saying fever is not required
Sleeping upright on couch for 10 days had my attention
No taste or smell for over a week was another first
Neighbors 4 houses down could hear me coughing if I was out back on the patio
4 weeks later I was getting better but not b4 passing some of it over to the wife..
Me being 61 with two stents had me concerned but we both got through it
I am never sick but this put me out so bad I actually did not login to AH and fly for like a week during the worst of it - missed a KOTH too ...
The wife knew I was sick then :)
It is good we went through what we did as it has given us patience with the whole thing we would probably not had otherwise..
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2020, 03:33:28 PM
my wife and I went to Scottadale Arizona and were there the weekend everything started to open. Had a blast. Beautiful state. Everyone was ready to be back at it and were happy to re-open, the shopping malls were still closed though. A Native American told me that the Natives were the ones who were hit pretty bad, other than that, most people I talked to didn't know anyone or were affected. Strange that it just popped up all of the sudden after a month of being closed. My wife and I never got sick.
I went to Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. Went to a wedding and a house party. No one came down with anything. All was good. Didnt even wear a mask in the ATL airport (oh no). All was good. My wife and I didn't get sick.
My business in Portland has been open every week since the beginning. We take precautions and clean things. Havent had a single case in our office. Only started wearing a mask around customers a couple of weeks ago when it became "the answer" other than that, we are perfectly fine.
Still haven't met anyone whose actually had it.
My point is. I dont let these people and their perceptions put me in fear. We are being psychologically abused and treated like the world is a patient hospital. We have ruined millions of businesses and 10s of millions of lives who won't be able to get that cash back. Low and behold, it didn't do anything because cases never stopped.
I live free and make my own decisions based on my own research and understanding. If I was really scared and saw people dropping like flies around me, I'd be in the house not doing anything. I don't see that.
If you are over 70 and have health issues. STAY INSIDE or wear a mask and don't touch anything in public. Older people are the main target.
Forcing everyone to wear a mask is pointless and will cause other health effects such as breathing bacteria back into your mouth, bacteria all over your face. Mold from wetness of your breath, and stress oxidation from lack of oxygen which activates your bodys immune response to take less oxygen and will make you more susceptible to getting sick. Wearing a mask all day is incredibly unhealthy. If someone touches their snotty nose or wipes their lips and touches a table, then you touch it and bite your nails, boom, thats how you are going to get it.
Strange how a test makes you put it all the way up your nostril when its supposedly so easy to transfer..
A mask hides your person. IE, you don't have the same physical connection you do by looking at a person's face. You dont see emotions and it hides a person's identity thus making them less approachable. It also opens the door for criminals to hide their identity. No one was wearing mask very much before the last 2 weeks, cases still remained average. Now all of the sudden if you dont wear a mask you will die...
Case in point: https://files.catbox.moe/mdb58t.mp4
If you are scared. Stay inside. If you are scared and want to go to the store for groceries, wear a mask and gloves. It will psychologically make you feel safer.
All we have done is hurt our community and make people less trustworthy of each other. Keep yourself safe, but don't expect everyone to bend over. Everything in life is risky. Don't live your life in fear.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2020, 03:38:46 PM
" ... breathing bacteria back into your mouth ... "
And he's off. :old:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Puma44 on August 11, 2020, 03:39:08 PM
Interesting the word ”social” distancing is used vs the reality of “physical” distancing. A little psychological manipulation at work.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 11, 2020, 03:49:04 PM
Interesting the word ”social” distancing is used vs the reality of “physical” distancing. A little psychological manipulation at work.
I really hate the term 'social distance', it makes me cringe every time I hear it as it sounds so elementary, but of course it caught on like wild fire.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 11, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
Most everything viewable online for free is full of ads. I can still help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Transcript of article plus charts follow: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A healthcare official in Huntsville on Monday pointed firmly at the Memorial Day weekend last month soon after Alabama began to reopen as a cause of surges in coronavirus cases.
“Our current case growth is most likely linked to the Memorial Day festivities and reopening,” said Dr. Pam Hudson, CEO of Crestwood Medical Center in south Huntsville. “While it may be difficult to prove that, except in hindsight, I think we’re experiencing a small taste of how that can be (in Huntsville). Around the state, this certainly has been more clearly linked.”
Madison County, home of Huntsville, has seen a sharp increase in positive COVID-19 tests in recent days – a trend mirrored across much of the state. To the southeast, Morgan County, home of Decatur, is also seeing a rapid spike in new cases.
The upbeat briefings in Huntsville in April and early May are gone. “This past weekend showed we have a long road ahead and more work to do,” Madison County Commission Chair Dale Strong said Monday.
Since Memorial Day, Madison County added 269 new coronavirus cases, a 91 percent increase. Morgan County added 473 new cases since then, a staggering 287 percent increase.
“One of the things we’ve been talking about over the past weeks is the anticipated rise in discovered cases once we reopened our community and certainly following Memorial Day weekend,” said Hudson. “It is rather stark when you look at the fact that more cases in the last 14 days than any other time since March. And that 50 percent of the increase is coming from these newly discovered cases.”
(https://i.imgur.com/sBjCOTQ.png)
Chart: Ramsey Archibald - Source: Alabama Department of Public Health (https://dph1.adph.state.al.us/covid-19/)
While both counties saw their new case counts start to go up after the Memorial Day weekend, it seems likely the holiday had more of an impact on Madison County’s case numbers than Morgan’s.
Morgan County – which borders Madison County to the southwest -- has seen an average of 22.5 new cases every day since Memorial Day. But Morgan County’s spike began essentially on Memorial Day itself - May 25.
The virus is thought to have an incubation period that can last as long as 14 days, though is often between four and five days. It’s unlikely the holiday weekend would have caused such a large increase in cases so soon in Morgan County.
Madison County, on the other hand, saw cases increase dramatically starting almost exactly two weeks after the holiday. The 7-day average for new cases there went from 6.9 on June 7, two weeks after the holiday, to a high of 25.7 on Monday. That’s a 275 percent increase in the 7-day average in just over a week.
(https://i.imgur.com/QIVbGcW.png)
Chart: Ramsey Archibald - Source: Alabama Department of Public Health (https://dph1.adph.state.al.us/covid-19/)
In Madison County, there has been a “significant increase” in the number of African Americans testing positive, Hudson said. She said that new cases in recent weeks are about an even split between black and white residents – a disproportionate burden given that blacks make up only 25 percent of the county population.
“Blacks are over-represented in the test positives,” Hudson said.
The age demographic has also trended young, Hudson said, with the majority of cases in the 24 to 49 age group.
Hudson advocated for wearing masks and said that studies have shown that not only do they protect the people around you, a face covering can help insulate the wearer as well.
“Evidence is now that even the cloth masks can protect the wearer from about 80 percent of virus particles,” Hudson said. “Masks reduce the number of virus particles that get past the barrier and that means 80 percent can’t reach your nose and mouth, which is the way we catch this. Having a smaller viral attack rate means your body has a better chance of winning the battle and having a less severe illness. So wear your mask. The life you save may be your own.”
Of the articles I have read... this is the first to point at Memorial Day.
I laughed at the mention of masks at the end. They protect from from you but do not do much of anything to protect the wearer. That has been shown in studies. Not only that... for protecting yourself, you need to cover mouth, nose, and eyes with a mask that seals against the face.
I saw a guy in a full gas mask today.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
Of the articles I have read... this is the first to point at Memorial Day.
I laughed at the mention of masks at the end. They protect from from you but do not do much of anything to protect the wearer. That has been shown in studies. Not only that... for protecting yourself, you need to cover mouth, nose, and eyes with a mask that seals against the face.
I saw a guy in a full gas mask today.
Dealing with pandemics, one must think outside the 'just me' bubble.
Forcing everyone to wear a mask is pointless and will cause other health effects such as breathing bacteria back into your mouth, bacteria all over your face. Mold from wetness of your breath, and stress oxidation from lack of oxygen which activates your bodys immune response to take less oxygen and will make you more susceptible to getting sick. Wearing a mask all day is incredibly unhealthy.
Yeah, no to all of this.... An O2 molecule is about .0003 microns. A hospital grade N95 has around 1.0 micron holes in the fiber. There is no change in your O2 intake while wearing a mask, and if you change it, there is no bacteriological issue either....which is why forcing nurses to reuse masks is absolute stupidity. As for the rest of your post.....I don't have the time nor patience.
I don't know which conspiracy theorist got to you, but you're as wrong as one person could be. But, I just work under level three biohazard protocols daily, so take it for what it's worth. I'm sure your source is better informed. :banana:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Lusche on August 11, 2020, 04:26:09 PM
I laughed at the mention of masks at the end. They protect from from you but do not do much of anything to protect the wearer. That has been shown in studies. Not only that... for protecting yourself, you need to cover mouth, nose, and eyes with a mask that seals against the face.
It's not about absolutes. It's about slowing down the spreading as much as possible. Protecting "from me" is a huge part in slowing down the spreading, as I might not even know (yet) that I'm carrying Covid-19. And even simple masks can reduce the risks a lot as long as they cover mouth and nose. They don't claim absolute safety.
I don't war the mask just for myself. I carry it for everyone else.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MORAY37 on August 11, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Everything but fever but now they are saying fever is not required
Sleeping upright on couch for 10 days had my attention
No taste or smell for over a week was another first
Neighbors 4 houses down could hear me coughing if I was out back on the patio
4 weeks later I was getting better but not b4 passing some of it over to the wife..
Me being 61 with two stents had me concerned but we both got through it
I am never sick but this put me out so bad I actually did not login to AH and fly for like a week during the worst of it - missed a KOTH too ...
The wife knew I was sick then :)
It is good we went through what we did as it has given us patience with the whole thing we would probably not had otherwise..
<S>
Eagler
Eagler, I would recommend you see a primary care doctor for a followup, when you get a chance. That level of infection with this virus may have damaged organ systems, particularly heart tissue. Around 20% of recovered cases at that level of severity are showing damage to heart muscle fibers, which could cause particular issues for you, depending upon where the stents are. Just something to discuss with someone at your checkup.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 11, 2020, 04:32:11 PM
Sorry man, it's likely that SARS-CoV-2 deaths are currently being under-reported, not over. Unfortunately, we won't know the full picture until the CDC compiles the year's full data. But, if you tally the excess deaths as a category without causality.....
From Mar 1 to May 30, there were about 781,000 all-cause deaths in 48 states, 95,235 officially attributed to COVID-19, leaving 122,300 more than would be expected during that period. The researchers said that although they cannot classify the deaths as due to COVID-19, flu activity had fallen to historically low levels in March.
In several states, the deaths occurred before the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and thus weren't counted as coronavirus deaths. The estimated number of excess deaths varied significantly among states.
For example, in New York City, all-cause deaths were seven times higher than baseline at the pandemic peak, with 25,100 excess deaths, of which 26% were not attributed to COVID-19. In other parts of New York, excess deaths were only twice as high as baseline, with 12,300 excess deaths.
Other states with high numbers of excess deaths were New Jersey, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Illinois, and Michigan, while there were few or no excess deaths reported in some smaller central states and northern New England.
The gap between deaths attributed to COVID-19 and the estimated number of all-cause excess deaths also varied among states, with California reporting 4,046 coronavirus deaths and 6,800 excess deaths, leaving 41% of excess deaths not attributed to COVID-19.
The gaps were even wider in Texas, with 55% of excess deaths not classified as due to the coronavirus, and in Arizona, where 53% of excess deaths were attributed to causes other than COVID-19. Minnesota showed the best agreement, with only 12% of excess deaths unattributed to COVID-19..
Deaths in this country follow cyclical seasonal patterns. You can easily locate deviations from "normal". Causality of the death isn't immediately attributed.... only that the death occurred. That gives researchers a backstop from the noise in the rest of the data. In a normal year, 2.8 million Americans die from ALL causes....having 122,300 more deaths than expected, EVEN when counting COVID deaths already is a very, very bad thing. The background baseline mortality rate for the country has barely changed in 100 years. In NYC it's been relatively stable for about 175 years, with exceptions for viral outbreaks, of course.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2020, 04:40:57 PM
Best to stay home if you do not want to get sick. If you go out....... you will get sick, sooner or later.
I'm at home 95% of the time. There are times when I have to leave. Wear the mask ... for you ... for others. Others includes asymptomatic 'healthy' people who have contact with ... well ... anyone. Excuses to not wear a mask outside the home (and sometimes even inside it) basically boil down to 'well, I don't wanna and I'm the only living soul in the universe that counts.'
(https://www.electronicspecifier.com/cms/images/single/X-Fab-PR02_Cleanroom_X-FAB_Texas_Facility_HRES.jpg) What it looked like dying from 'bacteria re-breathing' for me and other wafer fab workers back in the day.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2020, 04:58:15 PM
Yeah, no to all of this.... An O2 molecule is about .0003 microns. A hospital grade N95 has around 1.0 micron holes in the fiber. There is no change in your O2 intake while wearing a mask, and if you change it, there is no bacteriological issue either....which is why forcing nurses to reuse masks is absolute stupidity. As for the rest of your post.....I don't have the time nor patience.
I don't know which conspiracy theorist got to you, but you're as wrong as one person could be. But, I just work under level three biohazard protocols daily, so take it for what it's worth. I'm sure your source is better informed. :banana:
Just because air is smaller than the holes doesn't mean that the mask allows as much oxygen to come in as without one. The mask still blocks oxygen. I wear one using my grill and I know that it blocks my oxygen and makes me hot. Secondly, the majority of people are not using n95 masks nor medical grade mask, they are using cloth being sown by designers. Ohh look, another opportunity to make money. Do you actually think they are washing these masks every day? N95 masks are hard to find and they are being used over and over again by most people. The majority of people wearing mask are doing so incorrectly and touching their face all of the time. I also see people smoking cigarettes with their mask under their chin... Even the Netherlands have come to the conclusion based on New studies.
If the virus doesn't stop within 2 more weeks or immediately cease growing cases. We will know for sure that the mask is bogus. Especially if we see increasing cases. I believe most americans have been wearing a mask for 2 weeks already. 2 more weeks and we better start seeing a reduction in #s or I am calling BS.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 11, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
I wear it. The way i figure, it could save someone's life and since I live in a building slam full of the sick and the old, it just has to be done.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2020, 05:31:44 PM
I wear it. The way i figure, it could save someone's life and since I live in a building slam full of the sick and the old, it just has to be done.
Good man. Better to be cautious than make up excuses not to be. :cheers:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2020, 06:25:30 PM
Any research on why certain people are "asymptomatic" while others are not? This is the biggest obstacle that has not been talked about at all. I've heard from one doctor that it could be lower selenium levels in people due to statin drugs or low levels period. Why doesn't any media ever talk about ways to strengthen your immune system? All you ever hear about is a wonder "vaccine" or mask or "social distancing" (i hate that term aswell). Never hear anything about actually making your body stronger to avoid diseases in general.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Vulcan on August 11, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Any research on why certain people are "asymptomatic" while others are not? This is the biggest obstacle that has not been talked about at all. I've heard from one doctor that it could be lower selenium levels in people due to statin drugs or low levels period. Why doesn't any media ever talk about ways to strengthen your immune system? All you ever hear about is a wonder "vaccine" or mask or "social distancing" (i hate that term aswell). Never hear anything about actually making your body stronger to avoid diseases in general.
One factor could be G6PD, G6PD is an enzyme deficiency that has evolved as a natural immunity to malaria. Malaria binds to this enzyme, so in areas where malaria was prevalent people with G6PD were more likely to survive. So G6PD is very common around areas like the Mediterranean, India, SE Asia etc. Research indicates G6PD makes you more vulnerable to Covid-19.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 11, 2020, 07:00:24 PM
If the virus doesn't stop within 2 more weeks or immediately cease growing cases. We will know for sure that the mask is bogus. Especially if we see increasing cases. I believe most americans have been wearing a mask for 2 weeks already. 2 more weeks and we better start seeing a reduction in #s or I am calling BS.
dude we have been wearing masks since march. if everybody wore a mask then you might see a reduction.
I know 2 of my friends who got corona virus from a bartender they knew who had tested positive, he didnt wear a mask. by the way he passed away 2 weeks later. one of those friends showed up at the legion with a cough, they asked him to leave, he refused, so he got banned permanently. he said he had tested neg on facebook, his sister went on facebook to say he was positive, his father has been in the hospital for almost a month now because he got it from him, his two brothers that live in the same house are also positive, or were positive by now.
a bar that reopened illegally was packing over 100 people in a place that can barely hold 60, all the bartenders tested positive, now he's permanently closed by the health department. that bartender that died was at that place, who knows how many people he infected. by the way nobody was wearing a mask.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 11, 2020, 07:06:11 PM
by the way I've been wearing a mask since march, the i cant breath argument is dumb. I get enough oxygen, and yes it makes me sweat and sometimes I wish I could just throw it away because it's annoying. then again, I hate wearing clothes during the summer, but i have to wear those too when I go outside. in my house I close the blinds, nobody can see and i walk around in my underwear, have shorts and a shirt next to the door in case somebody comes knocking.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2020, 07:55:54 PM
I am sorry to hear about your friends. For the record, I am not saying to not wear a mask, I'm just saying that I don't believe that it's as effective as we think. I think we will find out soon enough. I think it's more so about touching something that someone with covid has touched and then touching your mouth. Pens, cups, debit pads, touch screens, keyboards, door knobs, ect. When you look at a bar, people are touching cups and bottles and signing checks with pens, touching cups with lips and then the bartender throwing them away. I dont believe that it's spit that happens to hit you in the mouth that gives you it.
One factor could be G6PD, G6PD is an enzyme deficiency that has evolved as a natural immunity to malaria. Malaria binds to this enzyme, so in areas where malaria was prevalent people with G6PD were more likely to survive. So G6PD is very common around areas like the Mediterranean, India, SE Asia etc. Research indicates G6PD makes you more vulnerable to Covid-19.
Thats interesting. Haven't heard about that one. I do wish scientist could find a cause for that.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 11, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
I am sorry to hear about your friends. For the record, I am not saying to not wear a mask, I'm just saying that I don't believe that it's as effective as we think. I think we will find out soon enough. I think it's more so about touching something that someone with covid has touched and then touching your mouth. Pens, cups, debit pads, touch screens, keyboards, door knobs, ect. When you look at a bar, people are touching cups and bottles and signing checks with pens, touching cups with lips and then the bartender throwing them away. I dont believe that it's spit that happens to hit you in the mouth that gives you it.
Thats interesting. Haven't heard about that one. I do wish scientist could find a cause for that.
food for brain. you dont spit, but you do cough, that's where masks reduce the distance spits travels.
this is a true funny story. go to the legion, I clean my hands with hand sanitizer, ask for a shot of tequila, rub lime on my hand put salt on hand, hold the lime, lick the salt and almost thru up. it tasted like hand sanitizer mixed with salt. I wont get shots for a while.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MORAY37 on August 11, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Just because air is smaller than the holes doesn't mean that the mask allows as much oxygen to come in as without one. The mask still blocks oxygen. I wear one using my grill and I know that it blocks my oxygen and makes me hot. Secondly, the majority of people are not using n95 masks nor medical grade mask, they are using cloth being sown by designers. Ohh look, another opportunity to make money. Do you actually think they are washing these masks every day? N95 masks are hard to find and they are being used over and over again by most people. The majority of people wearing mask are doing so incorrectly and touching their face all of the time. I also see people smoking cigarettes with their mask under their chin... Even the Netherlands have come to the conclusion based on New studies.
If the virus doesn't stop within 2 more weeks or immediately cease growing cases. We will know for sure that the mask is bogus. Especially if we see increasing cases. I believe most americans have been wearing a mask for 2 weeks already. 2 more weeks and we better start seeing a reduction in #s or I am calling BS.
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Texas A&M University-Texarkana virologist Ben Neuman told PolitiFact that a mask "will add some resistance to the breathing process, meaning it may feel like it takes a bit more work to take a breath, but it won't materially change the makeup of air that comes through the mask."
The FDA notes that “people with chronic respiratory, cardiac, or other medical conditions that make breathing difficult should check with their health care provider before using an N95 respirator because the N95 respirator can make it more difficult for the wearer to breathe.”
Perhaps you should get checked for a chronic respiratory, cardiac or other condition if you have issues breathing with a mask. Science has looked at this and there is no change in a healthy human's O2 level or blood chemistry while wearing a mask. That isn't a dig at you, rather a suggestion based upon what you've said. I've been wearing a mask inside and outside of work for two decades and have never had an issue with O2 levels on either side.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 11, 2020, 10:08:56 PM
I'm at home 95% of the time. There are times when I have to leave. Wear the mask ... for you ... for others. Others includes asymptomatic 'healthy' people who have contact with ... well ... anyone. Excuses to not wear a mask outside the home (and sometimes even inside it) basically boil down to 'well, I don't wanna and I'm the only living soul in the universe that counts.'
(https://www.electronicspecifier.com/cms/images/single/X-Fab-PR02_Cleanroom_X-FAB_Texas_Facility_HRES.jpg) What it looked like dying from 'bacteria re-breathing' for me and other wafer fab workers back in the day.
Our life has hardly changed except where freedoms have been taken away...
My wife and I have worked regularly and traveled , shopped as needed.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 11, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
Perhaps you should get checked for a chronic respiratory, cardiac or other condition if you have issues breathing with a mask. Science has looked at this and there is no change in a healthy human's O2 level or blood chemistry while wearing a mask. That isn't a dig at you, rather a suggestion based upon what you've said. I've been wearing a mask inside and outside of work for two decades and have never had an issue with O2 levels on either side.
A mask will hold moisture and as such will eventually start impeding your breathing.
Not only that wearing a mask has shown to cause dental issues in folks who have previously been dental healthy. The issue is called mask mouth.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 11, 2020, 11:05:35 PM
Said not one surgeon, OR nurse or scrub tech that I scrubbed in with while doing clinicals, ever. Nor any fellow wafer fab technician two years later.
Plugged filters, say in an N95 mask, could probably cause breathing issues, particularly from overheating. I did see where someone claimed that they developed pleurisy from repeatedly wearing the same mask, but I think that was fake news. Hot summer days can't help, either.
As to the freedom question? Try going into a WalMart without a mask. I mean, they just arrested McAfee for wearing a lace thong as a mask, apparently. Maybe Norway can shed some light on why that was.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 12, 2020, 03:25:36 AM
Plugged filters, say in an N95 mask, could probably cause breathing issues, particularly from overheating. I did see where someone claimed that they developed pleurisy from repeatedly wearing the same mask, but I think that was fake news. Hot summer days can't help, either.
As to the freedom question? Try going into a WalMart without a mask. I mean, they just arrested McAfee for wearing a lace thong as a mask, apparently. Maybe Norway can shed some light on why that was.
dude you have no right to go into any store you feel like. they have the right to kick you out for any reason. nowhere in the constitution says you have a right to go into any store you wish.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 05:01:09 AM
Google is your friend.. those you mention are in very cold, clean, low humidity atmospheres.
my wife was an or nurse, she wore a mask basically every day for 10 years while assisting in breast reconstructive surgery. not a damn cavity in her mouth, not a single one. know more nurses and doctors that helped or did surgery every day than you have friends. their teeth arent falling out. I call bs on this one.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2020, 06:12:24 AM
What about a mask that does not cover the nose?
I heard this is called going " nose commando"
I think it just shows a level of ignorance and or laziness
Have seen this on ppl from actors, athletes to sleepy creepy joe biden...
Why bother? How can you tell someone to wear a mask when you don't even seem to understand the basics of how it is suppose to work.
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 07:24:46 AM
my wife was an or nurse, she wore a mask basically every day for 10 years while assisting in breast reconstructive surgery. not a damn cavity in her mouth, not a single one. know more nurses and doctors that helped or did surgery every day than you have friends. their teeth arent falling out. I call bs on this one.
semp
Those who wear mask regularly and breathe through their nose will not have the issues. Most folks are not used to masks and many breathe through their mouth causing the issue.
Read what the dental community says.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 07:27:41 AM
I think it just shows a level of ignorance and or laziness
Have seen this on ppl from actors, athletes to sleepy creepy joe biden...
Why bother? How can you tell someone to wear a mask when you don't even seem to understand the basics of how it is suppose to work.
Eagler
A mask just causes people to touch their face more. Which is what we are not supposed to do. Charts showing less chance because of a mask can just as easily show more chance because people constantly messing with their mask.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 12, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
Said not one surgeon, OR nurse or scrub tech that I scrubbed in with while doing clinicals, ever. Nor any fellow wafer fab technician two years later.
As a RN that has had several patients on isolation in the same shift I have to disagree with that. It was as soon as I could get the mask, gown and gloves off with each one to get to the next. Good N95s are not fun to wear even when it’s cool, cold or low humidity.
Right now our humidity is very high for Arizona in the late night and through mid morning...if you wear glasses you can see how much is coming out of your mask, so how much is staying in it?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
It was as soon as I could get the mask, gown and gloves off with each one to get to the next. Good N95s are not fun to wear even when it’s cool, cold or low humidity.
I understand the discomfort or even the pain of wearing certain masks for long periods of time under certain conditions.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Hajo on August 12, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
First I'd like to say we don't know enough about Covid to make a general statement. Some issues. We know already that the virus in some instances has caused liver and kidney damage even though one has recovered. We also have evidence that it can weaken the heart as another long term effect. Simply put we don't know squat about long term effects. Hell we don't know anything really about the virus. They are testing drugs to combat the virus. We don't know if we have anything that will protect in the long term or if they will have detrimental consequences on our bodies.
Best thing simply put is to NOT get the virus. Follow recommendations to protect yourself AND OTHERS. Do what you can for your family, yourself and others.
We just don't have solid information about anything on this virus. Even our professionals don't know much. Until then use common sense. Do what you can to protect your loved ones and friends.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
Something tells me the guy on the right was not wearing the same mask as the women on the left is...
And that to have a mask work properly it has to be the mask the guy on the right had and wore the way he had it on...pulled tight as hell to keep it out properly.
I have yet to see anyone cough or sneezing with a mask on...which is supposed to be when most germs are expelled..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
You're the one that brought up Google. And those mainstream media sources rely on medical information. All this 'hate/mistrust the mainstream media' emotion generally comes from wanting only politically biased sources that back up one's own politically biased opinions.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 12, 2020, 12:05:44 PM
You're the one that brought up Google. And those mainstream media sources rely on medical information. All this 'hate/mistrust the mainstream media' emotion generally comes from wanting only politically biased sources that back up one's own politically biased opinions.
Where they colossally screwed up was when they said at first that masks weren't effective so people wouldn't panic buy them, then turned around and said everybody should wear one. Although I assumed that was the case the instant I heard it, a lot of people now don't trust anything they say.
Also, it's nearly impossible to find objective information anymore. The vast majority of stuff you find posted on the internet has some kind of slant on it. We have all the info in the world available to us, and separating the wheat from the chaff is a daunting task at best.
Deep down, much like most of what the TSA does, I think it's mostly theater. But, if it reduces the chances even a bit, and more importantly makes people more comfortable being around other people, IMO a bit of discomfort is worth it.
Edit: Erring on the side of caution in this case seems worth it to me.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MiloMorai on August 12, 2020, 12:19:57 PM
Where they colossally screwed up was when they said at first that masks weren't effective so people wouldn't panic buy them, then turned around and said everybody should wear one. Although I assumed that was the case the instant I heard it, a lot of people now don't trust anything they say.
Also, it's nearly impossible to find objective information anymore. The vast majority of stuff you find posted on the internet has some kind of slant on it. We have all the info in the world available to us, and separating the wheat from the chaff is a daunting task at best.
Deep down, much like most of what the TSA does, I think it's mostly theater. But, if it reduces the chances even a bit, and more importantly makes people more comfortable being around other people, IMO a bit of discomfort is worth it.
Edit: Erring on the side of caution in this case seems worth it to me.
Wiley.
That could be fixed from the top down if the Top would wear a mask all the time.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Wiley on August 12, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
That could be fixed from the top down if the Top would wear a mask all the time.
The politicizing of it all is another muddying factor.
From a certain point of view this is really fascinating, and just in general it's kind of horrifying to watch how people react. IMO it's the first large, widely spread Bad Thing that's happened in the world, or at least North America since the internet and social media evolved to its current form.
The unending avalanche of doom and gloom and slanted information from all sides and the way pretty much everything is designed to be clickbait these days makes discerning useful information almost impossible for the average layman.
That coupled with the way this disease seems to behave in so many different ways makes the entire situation confusing on a level I've certainly never seen before. Some people die, some people walk it off, and although there are broad tendencies, it's not always the ones you'd expect either way.
So many unknowns, better off just living the hermit life.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: icepac on August 12, 2020, 12:45:33 PM
Where they colossally screwed up was when they said at first that masks weren't effective so people wouldn't panic buy them, then turned around and said everybody should wear one.
"They" need a little delay in the mask buying scramble to ensure that the medical professionals on the front lines have a chance of getting some.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
"They" need a little delay in the mask buying scramble to ensure that the medical professionals on the front lines have a chance of getting some.
Oh I get that, and from that perspective it wasn't a terrible idea, but the other consequences of that decision seem to have really screwed things up. It's just a shame it was necessary/they felt it was necessary to do it.
I'm not sure if it would've changed what the people that don't trust what people in authority think anyways, but I think it had a pretty deep impact on a lot of people to not trust what they say going forward.
When they first said masks don't work, I thought it was about as obvious as a 5 year old being asked if they ate all the cookies and saying, "No I didn't." when they're covered in crumbs, but apparently a lot of people were shocked they were lied to.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 12:59:31 PM
You're the one that brought up Google. And those mainstream media sources rely on medical information. All this 'hate/mistrust the mainstream media' emotion generally comes from wanting only politically biased sources that back up one's own politically biased opinions.
You can use Google to find medical source too.... hint hint. :D
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:00:42 PM
Oh I get that, and from that perspective it wasn't a terrible idea, but the other consequences of that decision seem to have really screwed things up. It's just a shame it was necessary/they felt it was necessary to do it.
I'm not sure if it would've changed what the people that don't trust what people in authority think anyways, but I think it had a pretty deep impact on a lot of people to not trust what they say going forward.
When they first said masks don't work, I thought it was about as obvious as a 5 year old being asked if they ate all the cookies and saying, "No I didn't." when they're covered in crumbs, but apparently a lot of people were shocked they were lied to.
Wiley.
In the beginning everyone started to bash everyone they could, governors, mayors, Europe, China, the current administration. I was willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt as nobody really knew what this was for quite a while. Everyone was scrambling, nobody knew what to do, what medicine worked or didn't, where to send people. Nobody knew anything.
But by April-May we started to get a better grasp on what was going on, what needed to be done, etc. and that's where we started seeing the failures by the people in power to do what needed to be done. To this say you still have the current administration saying 'everything is under control' while the country continues to set records for new cases per day. Some states got it right, and some still haven't.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:08:07 PM
In the beginning everyone started to bash everyone they could, governors, mayors, Europe, China, the current administration. I was willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt as nobody really knew what this was for quite a while. Everyone was scrambling, nobody knew what to do, what medicine worked or didn't, where to send people. Nobody knew anything.
But by April-May we started to get a better grasp on what was going on, what needed to be done, etc. and that's where we started seeing the failures by the people in power to do what needed to be done. To this say you still have the current administration saying 'everything is under control' while the country continues to set records for new cases per day. Some states got it right, and some still haven't.
We could just shoot all the rioters and criminals. That would solve a huge part of the problem. Jail those that did not want the ban on people coming from china...... another problem.
No... can't do that as every wants to blame someone else. So live with your choices.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:14:26 PM
And you mask in public for what's best for others and their families, right? :aok
Others are responsible for their families. They make their own choices to go out in public or drive on the roads. If you want me to be responsible for them, they need to do as I say or all bets are off.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:15:58 PM
We could just shoot all the rioters and criminals.
No need to go too far. Just arrest and jail those white supremacists trying to start a civil war by destroying property while pretending to be BLM protestors.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:17:10 PM
Something tells me the guy on the right was not wearing the same mask as the women on the left is...
And that to have a mask work properly it has to be the mask the guy on the right had and wore the way he had it on...pulled tight as hell to keep it out properly.
I have yet to see anyone cough or sneezing with a mask on...which is supposed to be when most germs are expelled..
Eagler
People have different types of skin... who knows.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 12, 2020, 01:17:37 PM
Oh I get that, and from that perspective it wasn't a terrible idea, but the other consequences of that decision seem to have really screwed things up. It's just a shame it was necessary/they felt it was necessary to do it.
I'm not sure if it would've changed what the people that don't trust what people in authority think anyways, but I think it had a pretty deep impact on a lot of people to not trust what they say going forward.
When they first said masks don't work, I thought it was about as obvious as a 5 year old being asked if they ate all the cookies and saying, "No I didn't." when they're covered in crumbs, but apparently a lot of people were shocked they were lied to.
Wiley.
There was some of that. There was also some lack of info yet just how airborne this virus was. At first I was skeptical about masks. It wasn't for a month or so that the first studies started coming out showing how long this virus could remain airborne. I can wash my hands after coming back from the grocery store, but I have to breath while I'm there. Between other peoples mask and my mask I think we are all safer than if none of us wore masks and safer than if only one of us was wearing a mask.
Cloth masks aren't perfect, but the supply on N-95 masks probably need to be reserved for first responders and medical personnel. If nothing else, it might reduce the size of the inoculation you receive which might mean the difference between a mild case and ending up in the bone-yard.
The people screaming they have the right not to wear a mask in public would probably argue they have the right to drive drunk if they choose.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:19:41 PM
Others are responsible for their families. They make their own choices to go out in public or drive on the roads. If you want me to be responsible for them, they need to do as I say or all bets are off.
Was that a 'yes, when I'm out in public I responsibly wear a mask for the good of society' or an attempt at a sociopathic end-run? :huh
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Wiley on August 12, 2020, 01:26:52 PM
In the beginning everyone started to bash everyone they could, governors, mayors, Europe, China, the current administration. I was willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt as nobody really knew what this was for quite a while. Everyone was scrambling, nobody knew what to do, what medicine worked or didn't, where to send people. Nobody knew anything.
But by April-May we started to get a better grasp on what was going on, what needed to be done, etc. and that's where we started seeing the failures by the people in power to do what needed to be done. To this say you still have the current administration saying 'everything is under control' while the country continues to set records for new cases per day. Some states got it right, and some still haven't.
Yup. In a lot of cases at the time they announced certain things, they were going off the best info they had at the time. It seems to me a lot of people tore them apart over the stuff they got wrong, and depending on your level of trust of the people in power involved, they could've been BSing at any point too.
As far as what the people in power did/didn't do, my opinion of politicians pretty much all my life has been abysmal. The current situation has not changed it favorably. ;)
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:35:20 PM
You’re telling me a little mask is supposed to stop me from getting the deadliest virus in US history? The same virus that has a 99% survival rate? I think I’ll be alright.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:36:53 PM
You’re telling me a little mask is supposed to stop me from getting the deadliest virus in US history? The same virus that has a 99% survival rate? I think I’ll be alright.
That's an 'all about me' statement if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:39:24 PM
Nah it’s just the truth. Turn off your tv and go live your life.
Actually, you've already proven you don't care about my life. I'm still stuck caring about yours. Go figure.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 12, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
I let others make their own choices. If they are wearing a mask, then they should be safe. It shouldn't matter if I am wearing one. Thats the current logic here.
How about this one, when the cases first started in China, how was it so spreadable that doctors who were wearing PPE were still getting sick and dying? I believe the virus has mutated to be less deadly, as it doesn't want to kill its host, but if those doctors were getting it covered in full PPE. To me a mask isn't gonna do much.
I agree with Hajo that we still don't know very much about Covid as I haven't really seen very much coming out about it. All we hear about it is the "vaccine".
They never talk about ways to strengthen your own immune system. They simply want to control you and your psychology by forcing people to wear a mask. It does have a psychological impact as now the world is being treated like a giant hospital and you are the patient.
I have 0 trust in the MSM. 0. And I have little trust for global health organizations after what I've studied about them.
Many studies on patients have shown that HCQ with Zinc does work after 1-2 days, these studies suggest that using it early on will have a positive effect. You can claim all day that there may be side effects, however, the doctors I've heard have not seen any in thousands of patients who were cured. Every country using HCQ early on has had much lower death rates.
I had a very bad reaction to sulfa drugs as a child where my joints and body froze stiff for a week. That doesn't mean they stopped using it on people. Every person's body is different, but we suggest that it works given a large scale of use. Unfortunately, we don't know who will have a bad reaction until they use it. That's the science we should be studying. How do we know if a person will have an allergic reaction? All of those drugs they try to get you to ask your doctor about on TV all have horrible side effects on some people. Imagine that.
I know we are seeing a massive funding to big pharma corps for a vaccine. Just look at the Novavax stock. People are making a killing off of these investments. No wonder they don't want HCQ to work.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:44:30 PM
There was some of that. There was also some lack of info yet just how airborne this virus was. At first I was skeptical about masks. It wasn't for a month or so that the first studies started coming out showing how long this virus could remain airborne. I can wash my hands after coming back from the grocery store, but I have to breath while I'm there. Between other peoples mask and my mask I think we are all safer than if none of us wore masks and safer than if only one of us was wearing a mask.
Cloth masks aren't perfect, but the supply on N-95 masks probably need to be reserved for first responders and medical personnel. If nothing else, it might reduce the size of the inoculation you receive which might mean the difference between a mild case and ending up in the bone-yard.
The people screaming they have the right not to wear a mask in public would probably argue they have the right to drive drunk if they choose.
That's pretty close to my opinion too. I visited a meat packing plant a few years ago for work, and when they started having breakouts in them with Covid I remember thinking you pretty well couldn't engineer a better environment for it to spread. With the humidity and still air I'd bet someone's exhalation would hang in an area for an astonishingly long time.
Like I said, IMO some of what people are doing is theater/overkill fueled by people being constantly bombarded with doom and gloom coming from the internet/media, but I think it's not a bad idea. Washing my hands a few more times and being uncomfortable in a mask if I have to go out seems prudent to me. I do have the advantage of being quite antisocial though. :D
The only thing that's chafing at me is I haven't seen my father or sister face to face since Christmas and I really miss playing in pool halls. Anecdotally, I think when you're not habitually social, taking away the little bit you do has a larger effect than it might if you took away one or two things from most people.
YMMV
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:45:30 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:47:46 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Wiley on August 12, 2020, 01:49:42 PM
I let others make their own choices. If they are wearing a mask, then they should be safe. It shouldn't matter if I am wearing one. Thats the current logic here.
Except it's not. It contains a fair bit of the crap that's spewing out of everybody's face holes so there isn't as much of it getting into the air and it doesn't go as far. It's just not doing as much to stop stuff from coming into your face holes from outside.
If you're only concerned for yourself and looking to prevent stuff from getting into your face, you need actual PPE.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:52:00 PM
Yes. Society is nothing but a bunch of individuals looking out for only themselves and to hell with everyone else. Drink and drive? Why not? It's a personal choiceEnglish. lt? Same thing. :aok
Drinking and driving is never a good idea but far more folks are killed by sober drivers. Wrecks with a drunk driver are listed under drunk driving, even when caused by a sober driver hitting a drunk driver.
If you decide to go out in public, you need to look out for yourself and your family. Do not depend on others to do it for you.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:52:11 PM
Again, not all about just you and yours. Wear a mask like a responsible human being. :aok
Nah. Election year viruses don’t bother me so much. I see they got you all bent out of shape though. If your mask is soooooo good it shouldn’t matter if others done wear it. ;)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
Enough. My thoughts and opinions stand here. I happen to be standing on the side of wearing a mask for the sake of helping everyone, including myself, get past the pandemic and some are dead set against it for 'freedom' and ' not dying from wearing a mask in a store for 30 minutes' (which, sorry, just sounds stupid and immature).
What can I say? I care more about everyone and not just me (and, well, that's what's best for me, even).
:salute :cheers:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 02:01:55 PM
:frown:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 12, 2020, 02:03:11 PM
Enough. My thoughts and opinions stand here. I happen to be standing on the side of wearing a mask for the sake of helping everyone, including myself, get past the pandemic and some are dead set against it for 'freedom' and ' not dying from wearing a mask in a store for 30 minutes' (which, sorry, just sounds stupid and immature).
What can I say? I care more about everyone and not just me (and, well, that's what's best for me, even).
:salute :cheers:
It's alright man, you can't fix stupid no matter how hard you try. :)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
Arlo I would not know you and your family if I saw them out on the street. I would treat you and yours like anyone else. If there was a threat nearby, I would take action to protect my family. If I deemed yall to be no threat, I would invite your family into the same protected area. Then and only then, I would give my life to protect you and yours along with mine.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
Love the insults :) keep them coming champ.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 12, 2020, 02:05:51 PM
No need to go too far. Just arrest and jail those white supremacists trying to start a civil war by destroying property while pretending to be BLM protestors.
Wow one case of that reported - the rest is on the commie org itself
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 02:07:18 PM
dude you have no right to go into any store you feel like. they have the right to kick you out for any reason. nowhere in the constitution says you have a right to go into any store you wish.
semp
Yeah. Prior to this "pandemic" if you tried to go into a liquor store with a mask on what would happen? How about a bank? But never mind that, now the Governors are telling people they can't go swimming, attend church, sing in a choir, but you don't think we've lost freedoms? Just wait for your ID chip implant. It's coming.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 04:27:55 PM
Yeah. Prior to this "pandemic" if you tried to go into a liquor store with a mask on what would happen? How about a bank? But never mind that, now the Governors are telling people they can't go swimming, attend church, sing in a choir, but you don't think we've lost freedoms? Just wait for your ID chip implant. It's coming.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 04:30:52 PM
Now they are gonna fine or arrest you for not taking the covid vaccine. Guess they’ll have to come get me because I’ve never taken a flu shot I’ll be dammed if I take a election year virus shot.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
Gotta get past that fear of needles to further get past sociopathy. :old:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
"Gubment is telling me I can't drive drunk! They are violating my rights! It's all about my Rights! It's MY CHOICE if I want to drive drunk! They ain't the boss of me! First they say you can't drive drunk, next thing is a chip in your head!!!!!"
You'd think those that like to pass themselves off as "Patriots" would be thinking of their "responsibilities" at least as often as they cry about their "rights".
That's the difference between a citizen and a parasite.
You'd think those that like to pass themselves off as "Patriots" would be thinking of their "responsibilities" at least as often as they cry about their "rights".
(https://i.imgur.com/zhAiT3j.gif)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Chalenge on August 12, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
Yeah. Prior to this "pandemic" if you tried to go into a liquor store with a mask on what would happen? How about a bank? But never mind that, now the Governors are telling people they can't go swimming, attend church, sing in a choir, but you don't think we've lost freedoms? Just wait for your ID chip implant. It's coming.
I've gone to the store with a mask before. and to the bank. had a nasty cough that would literally hit me on my knees. as for church, mine is 35 miles away, i watch it online been doing it for years.
as for being microchipped well don't forget in the 80s the conspiracy theory was that we would have a scan bar on our arm.
be afraid to be microchiped and don't forget to carry your smart phone everywhere.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 13, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
Hard to believe this is still up. But most I know thought the virus would be mainly in the Southern Hemisphere by now...
Guess we’re all being given a chance to say our peace.
As far as rights go and the references to drunk driving; no one has a right to be a danger to others. Literally everyone I know that is R or conservative wears their mask religiously and has done the best they can to stay home when they can. The accusations it’s mainly conservatives and R’s not wanting to wear a mask is not what I’m seeing at all in my anecdotal community.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 08:15:42 AM
Literally everyone I know that is R or conservative wears their mask religiously and has done the best they can to stay home when they can. The accusations it’s mainly conservatives and R’s not wanting to wear a mask is not what I’m seeing at all in my anecdotal community.
Actually, this appears to be the first anecdotal post in this thread that makes a specific claim, regarding Republicans and/or Conservatives (unless you count ACE's 'election virus' reference as such). Interesting.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Busher on August 13, 2020, 09:22:26 AM
Arlo, you still don't see the futility of debating the Q huh?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 09:27:48 AM
I've gone to the store with a mask before. and to the bank. had a nasty cough that would literally hit me on my knees. as for church, mine is 35 miles away, i watch it online been doing it for years.
as for being microchipped well don't forget in the 80s the conspiracy theory was that we would have a scan bar on our arm.
be afraid to be microchiped and don't forget to carry your smart phone everywhere.
semp
The difference is that Czar Gates is telling us it's coming. Your cell phone can be Faraday bagged.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 13, 2020, 03:17:36 PM
The difference is that Czar Gates is telling us it's coming. Your cell phone can be Faraday bagged.
of course he did :noid
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: SIM on August 13, 2020, 03:43:32 PM
I dont wear a mask on my job. Dont like that idea? Do my job, then come cry about a mask.
The virus is bad, I get it. There are measures to take to protect self and others, I get that. But the commentary on this forum is silly and most often just plain stupid. Not a single one of you will EVER be able to make me do, think, in a manner because you want it. What you wIll do is show me how idiotic you are willing to be on a forum.
SO go for it, fire off the snarky comments, but remember you only mattered enough for this post. Beyond it, you dont matter in the least..
Arlo, Cpttrippy, semp, I'd sneeze in your face just to see you cry.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 03:47:29 PM
I dont wear a mask on my job. Dont like that idea? Do my job, then come cry about a mask.
The virus is bad, I get it. There are measures to take to protect self and others, I get that. But the commentary on this forum is silly and most often just plain stupid. Not a single one of you will EVER be able to make me do, think, in a manner because you want it. What you wIll do is show me how idiotic you are willing to be on a forum.
SO go for it, fire off the snarky comments, but remember you only mattered enough for this post. Beyond it, you dont matter in the least..
Arlo, Cpttrippy, semp, I'd sneeze in your face just to see you cry.
you sneeze on my face, I'll bring up assault charges against you, just for the fun of it. not wearing a mask, nobody can force you. threatening somebody else is stupid.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 13, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
All you have to do is stay clear of each other and quit trying to control what others do.
Have you felt that anyone in this thread has tried to 'control' you, Shuf? If SIM feels that way I suggest he change his choice of chemical support. :D
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 04:04:18 PM
Have you felt that anyone in this thread has tried to 'control' you, Shuf? If SIM feels that way I suggest he change his choice of chemical support. :D
No one controls me. They have tried. I have seen them screaming at the sky. LOL.
Well there is my wife. She's 5'2 and kicks 6'5. I ain't scared of her or nothin'... but if you ever meet her.... don't tell her I said that.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:05:54 PM
Sim is pretty much saying the same thing. Leave him alone and you have no problem. However if anyone is looking for a problem.... they can find it.
So, SIM came here, had a hissy, called me and others out by name to be left alone? Or is it 'I have a problem' if I respond? How big a problem will it be? Will he look up my address to sneeze in my face (and see me cry)? :old:
P.S. Is SIM playing? He can shoot me down to feel better, if he wants. ;)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 04:14:09 PM
So, SIM came here, had a hissy, called me and others out by name to be left alone? Or is it 'I have a problem' if I respond? How big a problem will it be? Will he look up my address to sneeze in my face (and see me cry)? :old:
Don't ask me.... I'm a redneck. I think WE all have problems...... ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:15:35 PM
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 13, 2020, 04:21:38 PM
Now .... if the problem presented for solution is not math, well .....
man i was kind of anal when it came to math, once i got kicked out because they would allow us to make up a low grade test. i showed up to make up a b grade. teacher told me I couldn't take a make test because I already had an a in the class. i stood there looking at him not understanding. he asked me to leave, still bothers me i couldn't take the make up b.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:47:02 PM
man i was kind of anal when it came to math, once i got kicked out because they would allow us to make up a low grade test. i showed up to make up a b grade. teacher told me I couldn't take a make test because I already had an a in the class. i stood there looking at him not understanding. he asked me to leave, still bothers me i couldn't take the make up b.
semp
More power to you. History (and Museum Science) reigns here. :D
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/34drJWs.jpg) Found this both amusing and poignant.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 13, 2020, 04:59:35 PM
More power to you. History (and Museum Science) reigns here. :D
I love reading about history, not that i remember any of it. It's hard for me to remember what i read, like I'll read one paragraph go to the next and forget what the previous one read. so i get around that by imagining I'm the one acting whatever I'm reading.
and I love museums, i can spend all day till they close. my grandma used to love to paint roses and she would draw them in these beautiful colors. once she told me that it bothered her because those colors didn't exist in real life. when she came to visit me, I took her to the botanical gardens in San Marino and saw roses in the same colors she used to make. she was happy.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
Just about impossible for me to resist museums. I finally made a deal with the mrs. that I won't ask to stop at any `ol ragtag museum once we finally are able to hit the road (every small town has one, Texas or otherwise). :D
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 10:47:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/34drJWs.jpg) Found this both amusing and poignant.
You should stay home. Before you say no.... why not? You want to push your stance on everyone else. What if it is pushed on you. Communism is just like that.
We have been through this many times before and never closed the country or impeded the freedoms of Americans.
I actually care about people and have actually saved lives.
If you are scared to go out then don't. But quit trying to get everyone else to protect you. You are not my responsibility. Like I said.... if you want me to take care of you, you do exactly as I tell you to, otherwise take care of yourself and quit expecting me to do it for you.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 13, 2020, 10:55:22 PM
You should stay home. Before you say no.... why not? You want to push your stance on everyone else. What if it is pushed on you. Communism is just like that.
We have been through this many times before and never closed the country or impeded the freedoms of Americans.
I actually care about people and have actually saved lives.
If you are scared to go out then don't. But quit trying to get everyone else to protect you. You are not my responsibility. Like I said.... if you want me to take care of you, you do exactly as I tell you to, otherwise take care of yourself and quit expecting me to do it for you.
shuffler I agree with what you say, except tell me which freedom is at risk.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2020, 02:55:49 AM
Seems like a reference to the USA going communist.
For some. being ask to wear a mask to protect others is an infringement on freedom. Never figured out how that's worse than speed limits in school zones, no smoking in schools and offices, not dumping your garbage on public streets. Guess it fits someone's agenda.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: avionix on August 14, 2020, 09:54:00 AM
Where are these numbers that it’s 99% survival etc. coming from?
And what is Dear Amerika a reference to?
I have been watching the Florida numbers for some time. 4.1 million people have been tested with 551,232 confirmed cases and 8,913 deaths. The state's own statistics show that 3,309 of those deaths were in nursing homes and 56 in Florida prisons. Out of a population of 21.5 million people, I just don't see where this warrants the level of fear that so many are pushing. I still do not know personally anyone that has been hospitalized for Covid and only know one personally that tested positive. She is 84 years old and never showed symptoms.
Personally know several people tell me of experiences of friends or loved ones that died in accidents and the hospital tried to pass the death as Covid. So, not sure I trust the numbers that are being attributed to Covid.
Where are these numbers that it’s 99% survival etc. coming from?
And what is Dear Amerika a reference to?
Sounds like a QAnon or III%er idiocy. You have a right to risk your own life by not wearing a mask, if you believe it's a hoax, please DON'T wear one, we don't need you. You DON'T have a right to put MY life at risk by not wearing a mask. Your rights end at MY nose, as far as my life goes. This CRAPOLA about AMERKA and other TRASH are the work of those who wish to see our country fail. The next election is going to fix that.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Puma44 on August 14, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
Seems the “Dear Amerika” reference is lost on those who either weren’t taught history, have forgotten it, or choose to ignore it in pursuit of an agenda.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 14, 2020, 11:09:57 AM
When you tell people that they will be jailed for going to the beach or opening their place of business to not lose their life cash savings or their business, but then allow thousands of prisoners to go free because "corona virus in prison" (which is strange to me how gets in a prison). How am I suppose to take these people seriously?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 14, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/4bgsy4.jpg)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 14, 2020, 01:10:56 PM
I have been watching the Florida numbers for some time. 4.1 million people have been tested with 551,232 confirmed cases and 8,913 deaths. The state's own statistics show that 3,309 of those deaths were in nursing homes and 56 in Florida prisons. Out of a population of 21.5 million people, I just don't see where this warrants the level of fear that so many are pushing. I still do not know personally anyone that has been hospitalized for Covid and only know one personally that tested positive. She is 84 years old and never showed symptoms.
Personally know several people tell me of experiences of friends or loved ones that died in accidents and the hospital tried to pass the death as Covid. So, not sure I trust the numbers that are being attributed to Covid.
Sounds like a QAnon or III%er idiocy. You have a right to risk your own life by not wearing a mask, if you believe it's a hoax, please DON'T wear one, we don't need you. You DON'T have a right to put MY life at risk by not wearing a mask. Your rights end at MY nose, as far as my life goes. This CRAPOLA about AMERKA and other TRASH are the work of those who wish to see our country fail. The next election is going to fix that.
I wear a mask in public and of course at work (RN) at all times, maybe with the exception of throwing a potentially contaminated one in the garbage and donning a new one...
I’m assuming the “you and your” you’re using is general for everyone...?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 14, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
Went on vacation end of June. Did all the Social distancing and wore a mask like I was supposed to. Came Home 4th of July weekend. Following week Had fever, muscle aches, and the absolute worst headache. Lasted approx four days with fever. Got tested first day of fever got test results 9 days later (negative) :O. Went to the Dr the day before i got my test had a blood test done shows i had both anti-bodies and antigens in blood for Covid. Start feeling better day after I go to Dr start getting a pain in my side that goes up my back into my chest. Call ambulance go to hospital have a pulmonary embolism (Blood Clot) lower left lung. 3 day hospital stay. Come home on Friday feeling good. Go to dr for nasal swab for Covid test 1 week later it's positive another 2 week quarantine. Start Hydroxloriquine. after almost of 5 weeks of feeling like absolute pounded dog crap i finally feel like a normal person. I go back Monday for my 3 nasal swab test to find out if I am negative. Me and the wife got it together so we went through it side by side i got it worse. I have a Buddy at work who caught it and i think he gave it to his parents who he lives with. they are now both in the hospital fighting for there life's. Had a gentleman at church who caught it who was a healthy mid-60's active who caught it that spent 5 weeks in the hospital who eventually succumb to Covid. To those who don't think it is bad or not real I really hope you don't catch it because i can tell you i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It is terrible. just a story from someone who actually went through it.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 14, 2020, 01:56:06 PM
Glad they caught the blood clot - same one took my mom at 51 in 1989
Have never said it is not very bad for some - I am at a higher than average risk with my medical though probably had it in early March with the wife
But for most others it is not
It is also a powerful weapon
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 14, 2020, 02:01:59 PM
Went on vacation end of June. Did all the Social distancing and wore a mask like I was supposed to. Came Home 4th of July weekend. Following week Had fever, muscle aches, and the absolute worst headache.
So the tin-foil hatters will jump in and say "see you had a mask on and still got it!" There are no guarantees in life. If you are intelligent, you try and stack as many odds in your favor as possible. But odds aren't guarantees, but at least you did what you could which over large population numbers will add up to a better national outcome. IF I smoke 10 packs of cigarettes a day, my odds of getting lung cancer is higher. If I don't smoke cigarettes it is lower. I can still get lung cancer if I don't smoke, if I get an unlucky roll of the dice, but that doesn't invalidate the wisdom of not smoking.
I can not believe they are honestly contemplating sending kids back into school rooms this fall. That seems insane to me. While children have a lower mortality rate, they are finding many can have serious organ and tissue damage, some of which might be with them for life. And they can certainly bring it home and spread it to other family members.
If they pack kids into classrooms this fall, I expect this thing to start going super-nova in Oct-Nov.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 14, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
So the tin-foil hatters will jump in and say "see you had a mask on and still got it!"
I will say as much as me and the wife tried to social distance especially at our hotel some people just wouldn't let us. This was true when it came to the elevators. Signs everywhere one family per elevator but there were only 4 elevators for 24 floors which was so dumb. We get on next thing you know it is packed with people. In that instance a mask wouldn't help anybody. We also went to the casino even though casinos were trying to do all the social distancing stuff i did play table games and was touching chips other people had touched. We will never know where we actually caught it from and it doesn't matter. but here is something funny my wife is a mask hater and i have to force her to wear one and i have no problems putting one on as i could care less. i have had to wear far worse things for hours on end at work.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
God bless you. But man, a hotel and casino during a pandemic without a hazmat suit would be dangerous. I don't think housekeeping is equipped to sanitize/sterilize for Covid.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 03:00:05 PM
"The ICU doctor, who is also an avid runner, masked up and set out for an 8-mile jog to work while monitoring his oxygen levels through a pulse oximeter -- a medical device that measures oxygen saturation in a person's red blood cells. Lawton said his oxygen level never fell below 98%. Any value above 95% is considered normal." (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/doctor-runs-22-miles-face-mask-prove-impair-72353323?cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR0-WyEGsU1383wtJCJvlUrD_A-Q6CxxXgMPPuS_yvKKk1VyHuxwZEzxB24)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 03:39:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/uUFzNAg.png)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 14, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
That's how I feel about it Arlo it really isn't that big of a deal to me. I have had to wear face masks, Face shields, Safety glasses, and aprons for 12 hours at work in 100 degree heat with 100% humidity, wearing a mask for a little while won't hurt. My wife's biggest complaint is she wears glasses and the Southeast Texas Humidity plays Hell with fogging them up when she wears a mask.
I do wonder that since I have had Covid if I am going to have to get the Vaccine. I should be immune, now all I hear about is I should be donating blood so they can get the anti-bodies. Which I do plan on doing once i get my negative Test.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Chalenge on August 15, 2020, 02:07:22 AM
Noman, I think what they know about Covid is only about 1% of what they need to know in order to provide any real answers. It is possible that we will soon be taking vaccines for flu AND Covid on an annual basis, but first they have to come up with the first vaccine. Even then it's going to be a guessing game in consecutive years as to which strain they need to immunize against.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 15, 2020, 05:44:02 AM
I can not believe they are honestly contemplating sending kids back into school rooms this fall. That seems insane to me. While children have a lower mortality rate, they are finding many can have serious organ and tissue damage, some of which might be with them for life. And they can certainly bring it home and spread it to other family members.
If they pack kids into classrooms this fall, I expect this thing to start going super-nova in Oct-Nov.
They already are or are going in AZ and at least at Northwestern University. It’s reckless in some ways, but most of these kids have been “at home” since at least April. Seems to be a Catch 22 at the moment, how long do parents wait for a solution?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 07:16:56 AM
"The ICU doctor, who is also an avid runner, masked up and set out for an 8-mile jog to work while monitoring his oxygen levels through a pulse oximeter -- a medical device that measures oxygen saturation in a person's red blood cells. Lawton said his oxygen level never fell below 98%. Any value above 95% is considered normal." (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/doctor-runs-22-miles-face-mask-prove-impair-72353323?cid=social_fb_abcn&fbclid=IwAR0-WyEGsU1383wtJCJvlUrD_A-Q6CxxXgMPPuS_yvKKk1VyHuxwZEzxB24)
silly. the mask will not stop covid. even if you seal the edges, the virus will go through the material. Sure would be nice if we talked about the truth, in place of what make us feel good. Oh and of course, who t f is running 22 miles! Why are you not running 22 miles?
these types will never have respect for another human. We get older, yet the selfish child remains.
cant wait for election day!
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Puma44 on August 15, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
silly. the mask will not stop covid. even if you seal the edges, the virus will go through the material. Sure would be nice if we talked about the truth, in place of what make us feel good. Oh and of course, who t f is running 22 miles! Why are you not running 22 miles?
these types will never have respect for another human. We get older, yet the selfish child remains.
cant wait for election day!
Not to mention this guy is in superb physical condition. He’s an exception in comparison to the average person on the street. More than likely, his results don’t reflect those of the average person.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 09:50:23 AM
I'm seeing confusion between physical fitness and how masks don't fuggin' kill you from wearing them under practically any condition for however long.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 10:46:51 AM
Not to mention this guy is in superb physical condition. He’s an exception in comparison to the average person on the street. More than likely, his results don’t reflect those of the average person.
You're missing the point.
Unless his body is generating it's own oxygen, his blood oxy level indicate there is plenty of oxygen getting through the mask even when under significant load.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 10:54:45 AM
They already are or are going in AZ and at least at Northwestern University. It’s reckless in some ways, but most of these kids have been “at home” since at least April. Seems to be a Catch 22 at the moment, how long do parents wait for a solution?
It will be like throwing buckets of gasoline on an already raging fire.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: LCADolby on August 15, 2020, 11:01:08 AM
No mask, no brain cells. ^
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 11:09:20 AM
Quote
Of course, no public venue is without risk at this point, and masks will never be 100 percent protective, even if used 100 percent of the time. However, in combination with social distancing, our cloth masks are very effective at preventing the spread of the virus.
I'm seeing confusion between physical fitness and how masks don't fuggin' kill you from wearing them under practically any condition for however long.
insert > the mask does not give you a pass. the mask restricts the virus slightly more than air, and he can run 22 miles!
anyone want to talk about testing? for a little more than the cost of a over priced, ineffective mask, we could all take a test, every day, and isolate the bug.?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 15, 2020, 01:04:20 PM
I would love to get the antibody test because I am sure I had this freakin' disease. Oh well, maybe someday.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 01:05:22 PM
Just wear the mask and stop whining already. :old:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 15, 2020, 01:35:15 PM
Unless his body is generating it's own oxygen, his blood oxy level indicate there is plenty of oxygen getting through the mask even when under significant load.
Regardless, this guy is in exceptionally good physical condition. That’s the point you missed.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 02:13:50 PM
Regardless, this guy is in exceptionally good physical condition. That’s the point you missed.
But that's pointless related to the point the doctor successfully made. Seriously. Are we supposed to counter that by looking for examples of a bed-ridden 90 year old on oxygen who ran a marathon with a mask on and had an oxygen saturation rate of 98+ so there ya go masks work better than you think kinda way?
You know I love ya in a respect for your experiences and lookin' forward to your book comin' out kinda way but, c'mon! :old:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 02:28:34 PM
But that's pointless related to the point the doctor successfully made. Seriously. Are we supposed to counter that by looking for examples of a bed-ridden 90 year old on oxygen who ran a marathon with a mask on and had an oxygen saturation rate of 98+ so there ya go masks work better than you think kinda way?
You know I love ya in a respect for your experiences and lookin' forward to your book comin' out kinda way but, c'mon! :old:
Exactly.
Even though he is physically fit, he is still running 22 mi and receiving sufficient oxygen to maintain optimal blood O2.
Regardless of his fitness, that is still a higher load than your average fat-buttt anti-masker drama-queen waddling down the isle at Walmart with his Confederate flag mask on claiming that he is being suffocated to death.
Pullleeeeze. If only that were true. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 03:09:58 PM
Anti-Body test is easy go to the doctor it's a pin P_rick on the finger and can get results in 20 minutes.
Not the one I got and I’m suspicious of a false negative as I’ve had symptoms, but refrained from mentioning them until now. The test I got was a full blood draw. Different tests, there’s no cohesion to anything on any of the testing.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Not the one I got and I’m suspicious of a false negative as I’ve had symptoms, but refrained from mentioning them until now. The test I got was a full blood draw. Different tests, there’s no cohesion to anything on any of the testing.
Imagine the first six months of the first Polio pandemic before there was a vaccine.
Not the one I got and I’m suspicious of a false negative as I’ve had symptoms, but refrained from mentioning them until now. The test I got was a full blood draw. Different tests, there’s no cohesion to anything on any of the testing.
I agree on the tests they are all a turkey shoot. First Nasal Swab i got was negative. Got a blood test a week later showed I had anti-bodies and antigens. 2 weeks Later another Nasal swab shows I am positive, after being sick for 3 weeks. Monday I go for my 3rd nasal swab hopefully it is negative and I get to get back to living. And all my blood tests were full draws as well even in the hospital, but I have heard they can do it with just the finger sample.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 06:44:59 PM
PCR tests (the ones that require nasal swab) are usually pretty good on the PCR part -- but --
The nasal swab part can be difficult and result in false negatives.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 15, 2020, 06:56:15 PM
Even though he is physically fit, he is still running 22 mi and receiving sufficient oxygen to maintain optimal blood O2.
Regardless of his fitness, that is still a higher load than your average fat-buttt anti-masker drama-queen waddling down the isle at Walmart with his Confederate flag mask on claiming that he is being suffocated to death.
Pullleeeeze. If only that were true. :rolleyes:
dude, you ever had to breath hard? thats because your body needs more oxygen. for some, breathing is easier than others. my dog can run for 22 miles and keep going! Looking at the fact this expert needed to do this, the fact you think it stops a nano sized virus, the fact the mask moves when you breathe, conclude obviously, a mask restricts air flow. now, start this paragraph over. why do you breath hard? you need more oxygen. your not getting enough. this is the counterpoint to a marathon runner tell us ALL, we can wear a mask anywhere, all the time.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 15, 2020, 07:24:31 PM
dude, you ever had to breath hard? thats because your body needs more oxygen. for some, breathing is easier than others. my dog can run for 22 miles and keep going! Looking at the fact this expert needed to do this, the fact you think it stops a nano sized virus, the fact the mask moves when you breathe, conclude obviously, a mask restricts air flow. now, start this paragraph over. why do you breath hard? you need more oxygen. your not getting enough. this is the counterpoint to a marathon runner tell us ALL, we can wear a mask anywhere, all the time.
you breath hard to get more oxygen into your lungs, but he's level never went down. so a mask didnt affect the level of oxygen in his blood. the 22 miles may have done it.
I used to run when I was younger, I developed this breathing rhythm that at the end of a run of 10 miles, I was never out of breath. tired yes, but not out of breath. got me into a lot of trouble, because when I joined the marines, in boot camp, I was never breathing hard. I remember this di, he used to try to get me to breath hard playing in the sand.
a mask well I hate wearing one to be honest, I wish I didnt have to. but it doesnt stop me from breathing, my wife has really bad lungs and it doesnt stop her from breathing. get's annoying specially in the heat. but at the most we spend inside a store is about 30 or less minutes. second we walk out, we take it off if there's nobody around. on average, I say I probably wear a mask may 4 or 5 hours if that a week.
then again when I used to work I had to wear a mask, glasses, gloves, and a heavy heat jacket on top of my damn really hot uniform. all while cutting steel slabs. now that was the time, when I finished I would get the mask and glasses and throw them as far as I could at the end of the shift.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 08:27:59 PM
dude, you ever had to breath hard? thats because your body needs more oxygen. for some, breathing is easier than others. my dog can run for 22 miles and keep going! Looking at the fact this expert needed to do this, the fact you think it stops a nano sized virus, the fact the mask moves when you breathe, conclude obviously, a mask restricts air flow. now, start this paragraph over. why do you breath hard? you need more oxygen. your not getting enough. this is the counterpoint to a marathon runner tell us ALL, we can wear a mask anywhere, all the time.
Wow. You really aren't thinking this through.
Even a fit person running 22 mi is going to have higher O2 needs than a fat Fox News fan waddling down an isle in walmart. If the masks wouldn't let in enough oxygen, his O2 levels would have dropped. His O2 did not drop. Even with increased need, and heavier breathing, the mask let in enough O2 for even a high need level.
If that guy can run 22 mi in a mask, you can get in and out of the grocery store wearing a mask without it killing you.
Even a fit person running 22 mi is going to have higher O2 needs than a fat Fox News fan waddling down an isle in walmart. If the masks wouldn't let in enough oxygen, his O2 levels would have dropped. His O2 did not drop. Even with increased need, and heavier breathing, the mask let in enough O2 for even a high need level.
If that guy can run 22 mi in a mask, you can get in and out of the grocery store wearing a mask without it killing you.
That is a good point you make. The mask does not stop the virus. It will help stop you from spitting on grocery stock when we yell at the stove top box. It will also make you feel better, knowing we are progressing from idiocracy. Very good point.
I guess I should warm up to the marathon runners demonstration. If he can do it, so can I. When I start getting dizzy I'll refer to this page to keep going. If I only knew my o2 will never go down. Even if I run 22 miles.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
That is a good point you make. The mask does not stop the virus. It will help stop you from spitting on grocery stock when we yell at the stove top box. It will also make you feel better, knowing we are progressing from idiocracy. Very good point.
I guess I should warm up to the marathon runners demonstration. If he can do it, so can I. When I start getting dizzy I'll refer to this page to keep going. If I only knew my o2 will never go down. Even if I run 22 miles.
Wow.
Spikes was right.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 15, 2020, 10:15:40 PM
He is not the only one.
We should find a study to show how your face diaper creates a festering pool of virus in, on and around the mask. And you touch it 3 times a minute. Superspreding the virus. Because you dont know you have it. Yet you proudly trounce around, killing grandpas everywhere.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 15, 2020, 10:26:42 PM
Even a fit person running 22 mi is going to have higher O2 needs than a fat Fox News fan waddling down an isle in walmart.
That ^ is another attempt to bring politics into this. The virus doesn’t infect anyone more or less based on any beliefs...
I have both sides in my family and friends (anecdotal again) but I don’t see much difference in their methods to stay safe.
Btw Fox News has been playing both sides for years and making even more $ than the rest by doing so, not very worthy organization since grabbing money has become the most important goal.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 16, 2020, 09:30:01 AM
look at that. fda approve spit test. we may be on to something here. I dont see much else of a solution, short of a cure.
The virus doesn’t infect anyone more or less based on any beliefs...
First, Fox News is a news network, not a political party. I'd like the moderator to make careful note of that. ;)
I believe there is a high correlation with Fox News zealots and those who are claiming masks don't work, and refusing to wear them, and fighting quarantining when necessary, and generally claiming the virus is a hoax.
The pattern is clear. Next time a goober starts spewing "Masks don't work. Masks increase your odds of getting the virus. The virus is fake news. It's just the flu!", ask them what their favorite news network is.
Or ask them if they believe in QAnon. ;)
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 16, 2020, 10:10:46 AM
you can not spread your P.C. internet made beliefs on me!
:old:
:salute
did you know most of your reality is a concoction within your little informed animal brain? really is fascinating. to think. to know your belief you push on someone is just one other naive viewpoint.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: RotBaron on August 16, 2020, 10:23:22 AM
First, Fox News is a news network, not a political party. I'd like the moderator to make careful note of that. ;)
I believe there is a high correlation with Fox News zealots and those who are claiming masks don't work, and refusing to wear them, and fighting quarantining when necessary, and generally claiming the virus is a hoax.
The pattern is clear. Next time a goober starts spewing "Masks don't work. Masks increase your odds of getting the virus. The virus is fake news. It's just the flu!", ask them what their favorite news network is.
Or ask them if they believe in QAnon. ;)
‘I believe...high correlation...’
That is your anecdotal experience, observation and also interpretation. Neither amount to any facts whatsoever.
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Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 16, 2020, 10:30:13 AM
Yeah, You're right. No correlation at all. I am just imagining things.
:rolleyes:
Your disdain for Fox News and its viewers is quite evident, what isn’t evident is what they did to you? What makes you dislike so so much to bring it here?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 16, 2020, 01:33:30 PM
Your disdain for Fox News and its viewers is quite evident, what isn’t evident is what they did to you? What makes you dislike so so much to bring it here?
Who is bringing what here and why?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 16, 2020, 01:49:38 PM
Your disdain for Fox News and its viewers is quite evident, what isn’t evident is what they did to you? What makes you dislike so so much to bring it here?
I think it is obvious to anyone who has paid attention, that the Fox News tribe are the core demographic of the anti-masker/COVID Denier death cult.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 16, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
Another thread was started (the Sturgis one).
The first two posts were:
1. I just saw a video of 6 or 7 black lives matter people causing a ruckus at Sturgis. Unfortunately the police saved their lives. The gathering of Harley-Davidson people looked like a grand and peaceful event. Isn't it bizarre that I would feel safe with the Harley characters and free to have a good time. On the other side of the coin are the BLM people looking for a fight and having to be protected by the police. I just feel it's a shame that the police saved them
2. Blm hates police. I hope the officers were facing the blm and not turning their backs on that racist trash.
Presuming this is the video:
The protesters appeared to be locals.
Who brings what, where (here on the forum ... in the town of Sturgis, etc.) ?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 16, 2020, 02:14:35 PM
And yet, which cities has the highest death rates? Seems ironic wouldnt you say?
No. Contagious diseases will always spread faster in densely populated cities than it takes to infect Jethro living in a double-wide 10 miles out of Dog Bark, Missouri.
As of yesterday:
Texas has had 100k more total cases than NY. 2nd in the Nation in new cases. 2nd in the Nation in new deaths.
Texas is red state. Ironic?
Thankfully our overall deaths have been less that NY because it took longer to get here and we had more time to learn from treatment lessons others had to learn for us.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 16, 2020, 02:45:55 PM
And yet, which cities has the highest death rates? Seems ironic wouldnt you say?
NY was a hotspot due to JFK-EWR-LGA from Europe, but now look at us. Under 700 new cases per day with a population of 20 million. Doing something right, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: CptTrips on August 16, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
No. Contagious diseases will always spread faster in densely populated cities than it takes to infect Jethro living in a double-wide 10 miles out of Dog Bark, Missouri.
As of yesterday:
Texas has had 100k more total cases than NY. 2nd in the Nation in new cases. 2nd in the Nation in new deaths.
Texas is red state. Ironic?
Thankfully our overall deaths have been less that NY because it took longer to get here and we had more time to learn from treatment lessons others had to learn for us.
LOL, look at a covid map of Texas and then look at Texas voting records LOL.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 16, 2020, 03:45:23 PM
NY was a hotspot due to JFK-EWR-LGA from Europe, but now look at us. Under 700 new cases per day with a population of 20 million. Doing something right, wouldn't you say?
You think its strange that they had pop up tents in Central Park as well as a medical ship and neither were used?
Still find it strange also that NY left their public transportation open.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 16, 2020, 03:48:08 PM
You think its strange that they had pop up tents in Central Park as well as a medical ship and neither were used?
Still find it strange also that NY left their public transportation open.
Well, unfortunately the essentials still had to go to work seeing as NYC provides ~13% of the United States GDP. The subway was shut down for overnight service for sanitation from 1-5am.
As for the medical ship, it seems it left on April 30th after treating only 200 patients but by April 30th NY numbers were rapidly decreasing in cases/day, so if it isn't getting utilized like intended I can understand it leaving. In that time it had to get refitted to go from strictly treating non-COVID patients to treating COVID patients, so I expect they had a bit of downtime.
I just can't help but laugh when people mock NY for 'poorly handling' a virus like we've never seen before. Then the state turns their numbers around and people just fall back to...but the nursing homes! but the death rate!
Funny that those mocking the NY death numbers are the same ones spewing mortality rates.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 16, 2020, 05:15:31 PM
Well, unfortunately the essentials still had to go to work seeing as NYC provides ~13% of the United States GDP. The subway was shut down for overnight service for sanitation from 1-5am.
As for the medical ship, it seems it left on April 30th after treating only 200 patients but by April 30th NY numbers were rapidly decreasing in cases/day, so if it isn't getting utilized like intended I can understand it leaving. In that time it had to get refitted to go from strictly treating non-COVID patients to treating COVID patients, so I expect they had a bit of downtime.
I just can't help but laugh when people mock NY for 'poorly handling' a virus like we've never seen before. Then the state turns their numbers around and people just fall back to...but the nursing homes! but the death rate!
Funny that those mocking the NY death numbers are the same ones spewing mortality rates.
I'm happy the death #s aren't even close to what was predicted in the beginning. I am just pointing out the absurdity is Trips comments about Fox News watchers given where most of the high covid rates are. Remember, its okay for large groups to spray paint statements in the street and increase crime by 20%+ but its not okay to shoot the 911 lazer light memorial because Covid might spread....
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 16, 2020, 05:35:32 PM
I'm happy the death #s aren't even close to what was predicted in the beginning. I am just pointing out the absurdity is Trips comments about Fox News watchers given where most of the high covid rates are. Remember, its okay for large groups to spray paint statements in the street and increase crime by 20%+ but its not okay to shoot the 911 lazer light memorial because Covid might spread....
you are correct Sturgis couldn't be stopped but the Lazer light could.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 16, 2020, 05:38:30 PM
I was born in the 70's and grew up in the 80's with movies like "The Day After." I was both afraid and convinced that nuclear war was imminent. The end of the world. I had nightmares about it in middle-school. Now it once again feels like the world is gonna end. I am specifically worried about the rising cases of Covid in children and the fact that there are multiple strains of this bug circulating.
that is troubling.
In my gut I think civilization as we know it may not have much longer. I am not talking about extinction, just a serious slap by mother nature and our own ambitious desire to find better and better ways to kill people.
:(
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 16, 2020, 05:40:14 PM
This whole thing has went off the rails. If we can't get along is it any wonder our politicians can't either. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 16, 2020, 05:41:27 PM
As long as we preserve the internet and Aces High. :old:
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 16, 2020, 05:46:05 PM
I was born in the 70's and grew up in the 80's with movies like "The Day After." I was both afraid and convinced that nuclear war was imminent. The end of the world. I had nightmares about it in middle-school. Now it once again feels like the world is gonna end. I am specifically worried about the rising cases of Covid in children and the fact that there are multiple strains of this bug circulating.
that is troubling.
In my gut I think civilization as we know it may not have much longer. I am not talking about extinction, just a serious slap by mother nature and our own ambitious desire to find better and better ways to kill people.
:(
I remember wanting the end of the world to happen so i could be like the Wolverines in Red Dawn. Still think about it sometimes. Zombie movies, nuclear holocaust, I wonder if I would survive. But then I think Heck I ain't special I am no John Conner.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MiloMorai on August 16, 2020, 05:55:17 PM
I was born in the 70's and grew up in the 80's with movies like "The Day After." I was both afraid and convinced that nuclear war was imminent. The end of the world. I had nightmares about it in middle-school. Now it once again feels like the world is gonna end. I am specifically worried about the rising cases of Covid in children and the fact that there are multiple strains of this bug circulating.
that is troubling.
In my gut I think civilization as we know it may not have much longer. I am not talking about extinction, just a serious slap by mother nature and our own ambitious desire to find better and better ways to kill people.
:(
Try growing up in the '50s and '60s with nuke drills in schools and air raid sirens going off. My bedroom window faced east and one morning woke up to the brightest sunrise I had ever seen waiting for the window to blow in and then oblivion from a nuke explosion.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 16, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
The tornado/air raid siren was two blocks south of my house, growing up. When we moved there I was told that 2 bursts was a drill/test, 4 or more was a tornado and a steady loud burst was a missile attack. I wasn't told that occasionally a lightning strike on it would sometimes set it off in a loud steady burst. After the first storm that did that I streamlined the path to the storm shelter.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Puma44 on August 16, 2020, 06:10:12 PM
This whole thing has went off the rails. If we can't get along is it any wonder our politicians can't either. :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Excellent observation!
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 16, 2020, 06:16:46 PM
Try growing up in the '50s and '60s with nuke drills in schools and air raid sirens going off. My bedroom window faced east and one morning woke up to the brightest sunrise I had ever seen waiting for the window to blow in and then oblivion from a nuke explosion.
yeah that would have scared me even more. crazy world.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 16, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
You guys are crazy. Your a breath from death every day. It's always there. With a little ambition you can make the most of today. Maybe do more tomorrow, but it is not guaranteed. Live for today. And be positive, help another person. We are all in this, everything must eat world. It's all good.
The tornado/air raid siren was two blocks south of my house, growing up. When we moved there I was told that 2 bursts was a drill/test, 4 or more was a tornado and a steady loud burst was a missile attack. I wasn't told that occasionally a lightning strike on it would sometimes set it off in a loud steady burst. After the first storm that did that I streamlined the path to the storm shelter.
A lot around here still are the civil defense sirens, they had two modes, alert and attack. Alert was used for tornado/storm, and that was a long siren for I think 60 seconds. The attack was saved for civil defense emergencies, and that was the up/down/up/down.
We have the ACA Allertor sirens, though one got replaced with one of the newer speaker ones.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Oldman731 on August 16, 2020, 09:42:09 PM
You guys are crazy. Your a breath from death every day. It's always there. With a little ambition you can make the most of today. Maybe do more tomorrow, but it is not guaranteed. Live for today. And be positive, help another person. We are all in this, everything must eat world. It's all good.
Well said.
- oldman
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 16, 2020, 11:45:58 PM
The tornado/air raid siren was two blocks south of my house, growing up. When we moved there I was told that 2 bursts was a drill/test, 4 or more was a tornado and a steady loud burst was a missile attack. I wasn't told that occasionally a lightning strike on it would sometimes set it off in a loud steady burst. After the first storm that did that I streamlined the path to the storm shelter.
I remember this one time around 2k. I was driving from NC to CA was passing thru some town in nebraska, i saw some dark clouds and all of a sudden it got dark, it was windy and my car was all over the place, heard a siren and kept looking back thought it was a police chase. I drove for another 15 minutes and stopped at a gas station to get some coffee, clerk asked me how bad was the tornado, I said what tornado.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2020, 06:35:49 AM
NY is an exmple of how no one knew what to do in the beginning and with time they finally waded through it...the worst of it anyway.
The same fate that awaits the rest of the country.
The lock down was supposed to be for two weeks when we were told 20 to 30 million would die if we didn't.
5 months later they are still guessing and changing their minds daily..
Seems everyone will be exposed to it before some vaccine pops up.
Even then estimates put it at 30% that will not be 1st in line to get it.
Seems best defense is to be as healthy as possible so WHEN you get it so like the other 98% that have gotten it, it will not kill you.
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 17, 2020, 07:34:45 AM
NY is an exmple of how no one knew what to do in the beginning and with time they finally waded through it...the worst of it anyway.
The same fate that awaits the rest of the country.
No...we knew what to do in May as evident by the dramatic difference in NY. The rest of the country is too worried about "muh freedumz" to do what they need to do to curb daily new cases.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Arlo on August 17, 2020, 07:37:34 AM
I heard the Sturgis Rally was the bestest ever this year until a half dozen BLMs scared them angry. There'll be no tracking of the Covid outbreaks that'll happen because of it.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Spikes on August 17, 2020, 08:00:39 AM
I'm happy the death #s aren't even close to what was predicted in the beginning. I am just pointing out the absurdity is Trips comments about Fox News watchers given where most of the high covid rates are. Remember, its okay for large groups to spray paint statements in the street and increase crime by 20%+ but its not okay to shoot the 911 lazer light memorial because Covid might spread....
I too am glad the deaths were not what was estimated.
I don't like to get too political here but it seems we are already off the deep end. I don't think it is any secret that Fox has laughably mishandled much of their info through all of this, but media is media.
For the protests/riots and stuff I think it is a sticky situation. As it is in the Constitution to allow (peaceful) protest I think the gov't hands are tied personally, plus no police force can dissipate thousands of people. With regard to the riots, I imagine any police force would have trouble dealing with those as well. Lets face it, regular police probably don't receive riot training and riot police are much less numerical than patrolmen. It would be a double edged sword for police - look at what happened in I think Nashville? where the NG was patrolling the streets during the 'stay at home' order...it looked like post-apocalyptic America you see in Jericho or something.
I am a bit upset about the 9/11 memorial as it means a lot to me. I don't think it was due to the display drawing crowds, though. I read that it takes 40-50 people to set up the display. While I feel like it could be done, it was likely deemed 'unnecessary' I suppose, and I have to respect that.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 17, 2020, 09:26:16 AM
I too am glad the deaths were not what was estimated.
I don't like to get too political here but it seems we are already off the deep end. I don't think it is any secret that Fox has laughably mishandled much of their info through all of this, but media is media.
For the protests/riots and stuff I think it is a sticky situation. As it is in the Constitution to allow (peaceful) protest I think the gov't hands are tied personally, plus no police force can dissipate thousands of people. With regard to the riots, I imagine any police force would have trouble dealing with those as well. Lets face it, regular police probably don't receive riot training and riot police are much less numerical than patrolmen. It would be a double edged sword for police - look at what happened in I think Nashville? where the NG was patrolling the streets during the 'stay at home' order...it looked like post-apocalyptic America you see in Jericho or something.
I am a bit upset about the 9/11 memorial as it means a lot to me. I don't think it was due to the display drawing crowds, though. I read that it takes 40-50 people to set up the display. While I feel like it could be done, it was likely deemed 'unnecessary' I suppose, and I have to respect that.
I follow many more sources than Fox News. And yes they are halfway right wing, infact are actually the most balanced MSM. The problem is that for some reason people only believe MSM on their side and then disregard any other media be it MSM or alternative media that goes against theres, because they dont know the source like they do their MSM. We cannot have logical debates anymore because really good researchers who are not MSM get instantly written off and apparently the only media that is true in the world is the MSM on the other side of Fox. Ironically, those other MSM sites have way less ratings, but have a group of them that all work incahoots to make a story seem way bigger than it should be. Now we have 10 media sources all trying to take down one media source that doesn't push their narrative.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: MADe on August 17, 2020, 11:25:17 AM
We haven't had a single case of community transmission for over 100 days. ie, zero nil nada zip cases of covid-19 internally.
Hmmm! You seem to have spoken to soon. Now New Zealand is reporting new cases, has postponed elections......
Hey I live in NYC. My industry, Broadway, is totally shut down. I have no job. Yet I am alive and healthy. Living in the original USA pandemic central. Now it has spread to republican controled states, children, no end in site. I thank my Governor, Cuomo, for not diddlying around. He made mistakes but who wouldn't in the beginings of such a thing. I blame our president and the GOP for making sure they killed as many citizens as they could. For placing dollars above life. They certainly did not cause the pandemic, but they certainly made sure it did not go away, and that it continues! What part of depraved indifference to human life, is unclear. Considered a murder 2 felony in some states!
I only wish our citizens would wake the diddly up and stop listening to the amatuers, the uninformed, to those that use covid to further thier agendas. This is no joke, not fake news, if it mutates covid could go into a bubonic plague mode and kill, kill, kill. This what happens when you do not properly educate your citizens, and breed stupid people.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Eagler on August 17, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Given no one knows when this actually started or what the numbers actually are, it seems that the lower numbers now being reported in the previous hot spots maybe nothing more than a herd immunity setting in.
Seems everyone was caught with their pants down - like gov usually is - and spent more time pointing fingers than anything else.
Eagler
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 17, 2020, 02:47:27 PM
scientists don't know crap!!! (said while using a computer designed by scientists) :devil
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 17, 2020, 02:49:21 PM
scientists don't know crap!!! (said while using a computer designed by scientists) :devil
well maybe not designed by scientists but surely designed with their theories in mind.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: avionix on August 17, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
What might CS Lewis say of our new COVID situation? ... Here’s what he said in 1948 about the mental shift required by living with the threat of the atomic bomb:
In one way we think a great deal too much of the atomic bomb. “How are we to live in an atomic age?” I am tempted to reply: “Why, as you would have lived in the sixteenth century when the plague visited London almost every year, or as you would have lived in a Viking age when raiders from Scandinavia might land and cut your throat any night; or indeed, as you are already living in an age of cancer, an age of syphilis, an age of paralysis, an age of air raids, an age of railway accidents, an age of motor accidents.”
In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation. Believe me, dear sir or madam, you and all whom you love were already sentenced to death before the atomic bomb was invented: and quite a high percentage of us were going to die in unpleasant ways. We had, indeed, one very great advantage over our ancestors—anesthetics; but we have that still. It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the scientists have added one more chance of painful and premature death to a world which already bristled with such chances and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty.
This is the first point to be made: and the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together. If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things—praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts—not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies (a microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds.
— “On Living in an Atomic Age” (1948) in Present Concerns: Journalistic Essays
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: noman on August 17, 2020, 02:56:45 PM
What might CS Lewis say of our new COVID situation? ... Here’s what he said in 1948 about the mental shift required by living with the threat of the atomic bomb:
In one way we think a great deal too much of the atomic bomb. “How are we to live in an atomic age?” I am tempted to reply: “Why, as you would have lived in the sixteenth century when the plague visited London almost every year, or as you would have lived in a Viking age when raiders from Scandinavia might land and cut your throat any night; or indeed, as you are already living in an age of cancer, an age of syphilis, an age of paralysis, an age of air raids, an age of railway accidents, an age of motor accidents.”
In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation. Believe me, dear sir or madam, you and all whom you love were already sentenced to death before the atomic bomb was invented: and quite a high percentage of us were going to die in unpleasant ways. We had, indeed, one very great advantage over our ancestors—anesthetics; but we have that still. It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the scientists have added one more chance of painful and premature death to a world which already bristled with such chances and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty.
This is the first point to be made: and the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together. If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things—praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts—not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies (a microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds.
— “On Living in an Atomic Age” (1948) in Present Concerns: Journalistic Essays
This right here sums it up for me. It's that old saying You started dying the second you were born. Just think about all the million ways people die. Has anybody else seen that picture of that poor basitige that got crushed by a rock during the eruption of Vesuvius. Wow as if dying in a volcanic eruption wasn't bad enough he takes a 2 ton rock to the face that buries his head 3 feet into the ground.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 17, 2020, 06:02:26 PM
I'm happy the death #s aren't even close to what was predicted in the beginning. I am just pointing out the absurdity is Trips comments about Fox News watchers given where most of the high covid rates are. Remember, its okay for large groups to spray paint statements in the street and increase crime by 20%+ but its not okay to shoot the 911 lazer light memorial because Covid might spread....
you are right, you predicted what 30 or 300? can't remember exactly. number of dead sure keep going up.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 17, 2020, 06:57:08 PM
So um, nobody was excited to hear the FDA approved a $1 10 minute saliva test?
2 weeks this thing is over!
:x
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 17, 2020, 07:23:15 PM
you are right, you predicted what 30 or 300? can't remember exactly. number of dead sure keep going up.
semp
Yeah, it was 100 dead by the end of march after the first case in Bill Gates back yard. Given that China is much dirtier and has a much more dense population, i didnt think it would be so bad. Why didn't they close their borders and protect thre world? Why wasn't Bill Gates able to stop the spread from a nursing home after his event 201? Strange that it showed up first in a nursing home of all places... was it Evergreen nursing home? Hmmm. My estimates where still closer than the media though.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 17, 2020, 07:48:13 PM
So um, nobody was excited to hear the FDA approved a $1 10 minute saliva test?
2 weeks this thing is over!
:x
yeah but if the market tanks some more, the really rich guys can buy up more cheap stock and wait for everything to get back to normal. I can't even imagine.
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: guncrasher on August 17, 2020, 08:02:47 PM
Yeah, it was 100 dead by the end of march after the first case in Bill Gates back yard. Given that China is much dirtier and has a much more dense population, i didnt think it would be so bad. Why didn't they close their borders and protect thre world? Why wasn't Bill Gates able to stop the spread from a nursing home after his event 201? Strange that it showed up first in a nursing home of all places... was it Evergreen nursing home? Hmmm. My estimates where still closer than the media though.
:rofl :rofl
from you predicted 30 or 300 at most. but blame Gates. first case was somebody that had gone to China, but sure it's the convalescent home that got it first. food for thought. it didn't come out of 5g.
semp
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: NatCigg on August 17, 2020, 08:07:44 PM
yeah but if the market tanks some more, the really rich guys can buy up more cheap stock and wait for everything to get back to normal. I can't even imagine.
I think they already did that.
Buffett sold his bank stock for gold... :noid
Title: Re: Dear Amerika
Post by: Scared on August 17, 2020, 09:45:45 PM