General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hitech on November 16, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
Title: Skyyr
Post by: hitech on November 16, 2023, 03:09:44 PM
After a long conversation with skyyr I have decided to let him back into the skys.
He was band 9 years ago and I have let him back in on a probationary basis.
He was never band for hacking but was band for other behaviors.
Please do not over react everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Dale
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: The Fugitive on November 16, 2023, 03:11:55 PM
:aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on November 16, 2023, 03:20:03 PM
:aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: whiteman on November 16, 2023, 03:30:21 PM
Overreact, who here would do such a thing. Let me get the scroll out.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on November 16, 2023, 04:08:00 PM
:aok :cheers: :salute Hitech.
Welcome back, Skyyr.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on November 16, 2023, 04:12:59 PM
Free Latrobe or the ice cream will fall upon thee with the might of an Avalanche!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on November 16, 2023, 04:17:29 PM
A lot of returning players, should feel like “home”.
Welcome back!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: BigR on November 16, 2023, 04:47:11 PM
Works for me. One more guy that actually fights. Welcome back Skyyr.
PS: 9 YEARS??!?! Time means nothing anymore lol. Where did it all go?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: oboe on November 16, 2023, 05:00:14 PM
Well said. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on November 16, 2023, 05:10:21 PM
Thanks HT!
Welcome back Skyyr!
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on November 16, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Cool. Hopefully he plays the game in line with the rest of us.
Welcome back my #1 fan.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 16, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Only if he's only allowed to fly mid snd early war planes :old: ;)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Brooke on November 16, 2023, 06:06:50 PM
I'm not a fan of lifetime bans because people can change or mellow out.
I don't fly the melee arena much, so don't know what personal conflicts were involved. But I do remember dueling Skyrr once, and he was a great fighter pilot who taught me some lessons there and wasn't rude or abrasive.
If he loves the game (which I'm assuming he does if he wants back in after all those years), I'm glad that he'll be back.
But only under one extra condition: he flies in the next scenario in February. :D
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Goat1 on November 16, 2023, 06:41:07 PM
:aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 16, 2023, 07:17:11 PM
LOL, I guess HTC is cool with players circumventing bans, on multiple occasions, over 9 years.
This is a mistake. The guy is incorrigible and will go to any lengths for an advantage. Just the type we DON'T need.
But I guess a buck's a buck towards keeping the lights on longer. Good luck, Skyyr. I hope I'm wrong about you, this time.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Kruel on November 16, 2023, 07:58:23 PM
Well after a few solo stints I’ll be dusting off the old FFB…maybe
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: mERv on November 16, 2023, 09:00:36 PM
Happy to hear.
Dale gave me a second chance after a 3 1/2 year ban :salute
I have been waiting for this day for skyyr since I came back :rock
Only the greats get banned! :x :aok :bolt:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Mayhem on November 17, 2023, 01:05:22 AM
After a long conversation with skyyr I have decided to let him back into the skys.
He was band 9 years ago and I have let him back in on a probationary basis.
He was never band for hacking but was band for other behaviors.
Please do not over react everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Dale
Dale,
I think you are making a horrible mistake, and I hope you got some sort of sexual favor out of this because he sure screwed the REAL Damned a few years back, and honestly, you kinda let him.
skyyr pushed a bunch of our squad mates out of the game. He tried to Hijack our squad, and when he couldn't do that he decided to counterfeit it. You allowed it just like you allowed him to drag our squad name through the mud even after several people outside the squad start complaining.
He harassed and stream snipe players to the point of quitting. Didn't he take an unhealthy liking to Kanth, one the few female player that WAS in the game and harassed her to the point of quitting?
But it wasn't until he started urinating in your Wheaties that you actually did something about him.
I'm not going to really touch on how most of us believe he has been shading his sorry arse into the game for years now.
If any one deserves a lifetime ban it's him.
Most of the our active squad members have moved on to DCS and IL2 ... crap like this doesn't give any of us incentive to come back and it may finally drive the last of us away as well.
How about you do us a Solid and just keep the clown away from the name "Damned" this time?
Thank You
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Mayhem on November 17, 2023, 01:21:10 AM
The next time you want to PM me a nasty gram you may want to wipe your chin off .... I think you got some skyrr on it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: trogdor on November 17, 2023, 01:28:53 AM
Not sure how this is news. He's been back for about a month now (this time) flying under a couple of other names. I see this evening he has reverted to "Skyyr".
He's been in and out several times under other names over the years. To be tacitly asked to believe that HTC was unaware of that strains credulity.
I've had several interactions with Skyyr under his other noms-de-guerre over the past few weeks in the MA and in MatchPlay. Happy to report all have been positive. I very much hope that continues to be the case.
Welcome back, Skyyr. Good luck. I hope you make the most of it in the best spirit of the game.
trogdor
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Brooke on November 17, 2023, 01:31:12 AM
I would just like to say that Trogdor is the Burninator.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: trogdor on November 17, 2023, 01:38:54 AM
Oh, and that wasn't a nastygram, crybaby. Just a statement of fact.
Your jealousy gives me great pleasure to witness.
Grow up.
I need to grow up?
You know the bbs has an ignore feature, If I got your panties in such a bunch that you have to resort to sending me love letters in Private Messages maybe you should use it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on November 17, 2023, 05:34:03 AM
People who cause others undue pain should expect all that comes with it in return. Th Damned have been a great squad since the beginning. Toying with it in a negative way should expect resentment. Good people do bad things, bad people do good things. Lets hope there is a balance and understanding of both. One creates a history they carry with them. Don’t expect flowers, thats unrealistic, a second chance should be done with the caution they earned.
I don’t know the story, I was gone by then.
Quite a few things happen here that’s tolerated that are questionable. Unfortunate.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on November 17, 2023, 07:07:16 AM
I just deleted my account.
diddly you HiTech.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on November 17, 2023, 07:29:47 AM
Wow what strange reactions from some..
I hope to learn from him repeatedly killing me...just glad to have an a2a pilot that engages instead of running for the ack or their buddies..
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on November 17, 2023, 08:19:08 AM
I hope to learn from him repeatedly killing me...just glad to have an a2a pilot that engages instead of running for the ack or their buddies..
Eagler
I spent several years away from the game, so I don't even remember the guy. Jeez...talk about the overreactions. There's several people playing now that would have been banned years ago just for their interactions on 200 :rofl.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: trogdor on November 17, 2023, 08:36:00 AM
I spent several years away from the game, so I don't even remember the guy. Jeez...talk about the overreactions. There's several people playing now that would have been banned years ago just for their interactions on 200 :rofl.
You rather excused yourself from judging others' reactions when you stated you don't remember the guy, don't you think?
Skyyr was the most actively and aggressively toxic player within the community for years in ways that had not been seen before or since. Perhaps he has changed, but the concerns stated by many above are reasonable and legitimate; not over-reactions.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on November 17, 2023, 09:01:42 AM
You rather excused yourself from judging others' reactions when you stated you don't remember the guy, don't you think?
Skyyr was the most actively and aggressively toxic player within the community for years in ways that had not been seen before or since. Perhaps he has changed, but the concerns stated by many above are reasonable and legitimate; not over-reactions.
What Trog said I hope he has changed but I still don't like the precedent it sets.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on November 17, 2023, 09:31:44 AM
You rather excused yourself from judging others' reactions when you stated you don't remember the guy, don't you think?
Skyyr was the most actively and aggressively toxic player within the community for years in ways that had not been seen before or since. Perhaps he has changed, but the concerns stated by many above are reasonable and legitimate; not over-reactions.
Maybe... but we'll see. I guess the point I was trying to make was that his presence is not going to affect me nor my account.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on November 17, 2023, 09:53:46 AM
Please do not over react everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Dale
This.
Life has its own way of humbling some people, even myself (ya don’t want to know). I’m not the judge. I’m still a semi-outsider looking in. Valid points have been made on both sides.
I‘ve witnessed horribly bad people make a turn-around, and I’ve seen some light their own hair on fire. Some things were said about me right before Kesmai (AW) took me in, I proved the nay sayers wrong. I’m not promoting nor bashing. I don’t know what I don’t know, except none of us walk on water. We all have bad eras. We were not in on the convo.
Give time, time to work. Deep breaths are in order.
Re-read the quote above. PEACE
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 17, 2023, 10:09:31 AM
Yep. vraciu is already spamming PMs with his juvenile insanity. The little boys club is giddy today.
@vraciu don't PM me. I have no interest in anything you have to say.
Can we do Net Zero? Gain one lose one? Of course he is pming you, he is a terrible human. A tremendous waste of skin. On a planet of 8+ billion people, some of them will just plain suck as humans.
This is where he will say I am “attacking” him. If exposing his nonsense is me attacking him then I guess words have new meanings I am not privy to.
As I have said before, my experience with him is not unique. He’s just awful.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 17, 2023, 11:48:11 AM
I even got one though I don't know what it meant or why it was sent but I just ignored it..not worth a 2nd thought imo
Eagler
Because he is just plain awful. But he makes skins so it’s ok that he treats people like garbage.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Kruel on November 17, 2023, 11:49:06 AM
So all of this over personality dislikes hrmm maybe I’ll hook up my pc but be sure to turn off chat and voice.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on November 17, 2023, 11:56:33 AM
Well that's a step down. Never had a good interaction with this player. Excuses, complaints, whining, trash talk and shady behaviors. Not a positive in anyway. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 17, 2023, 11:57:57 AM
TIL how to use the ignore list. I hope it sticks, unlike the daily in-game squelch list.
This lapse in judgment will surely be a net loss. Skyyr's 2 or 3 subscriptions aren't nearly going to compensate for the number of people he will drive away from the game.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bear76 on November 17, 2023, 12:25:09 PM
You rather excused yourself from judging others' reactions when you stated you don't remember the guy, don't you think?
Skyyr was the most actively and aggressively toxic player within the community for years in ways that had not been seen before or since. Perhaps he has changed, but the concerns stated by many above are reasonable and legitimate; not over-reactions.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 17, 2023, 03:49:24 PM
After a long conversation with skyyr I have decided to let him back into the skys.
This is the most singular thread I have ever read in my time on this forum.
What about the other people who have been banned - for what we the player-base percieve as much lesser sins - is this part of a global amnesty or is a lengthy phone call required to consider their cases also?
What about Latrobe (already mentioned) for instance. A great stick, a thoroughly civilised chap, and a fun fight, helpfully made many videos explaining ACM and promoting Aces High. If he wasn't banned from the game he certainly was from the forum for no offence other than being in the same squadron that did that weird forum attack? This and similar victimisation surely lead to his leaving. No apology is felt necessary? Or to others?
He was never band for hacking but was band for other behaviors.
You do not specify for which 'behaviours' the ban was applied but since you've made this notification on the forum it's reasonable to assume you also consider us - the broader player base. To suggest Skyyr had been successfully banned from the MA implies his YouTube channel has not been monitored. Will this YouTube account be checked going forward? Especially since it has been used frequently to intimidate certain targeted individuals or imply some weird dominance based on proficiency in a game. Surely we can all agree this leads to undesirable gameplay and driving people away from the game? The video of Lazer's ACM was only released a couple of weeks ago and since taken down. Is this contrition or merely an HTC-imposed condition for the unbanning? Similarly Dolby's video which was removed due to a successful copyright violation only to appear on a Russian website?
Further in general does this mark the point where clarification is finally forthcoming on HTC's position regarding second account misuse used to locate and track another player? Over a decade ago several of us have asked for either a checkbox to disable the dot wingman command on the requestee’s end or otherwise a yes/no pop-up box similar to the join-request during flight. We could not even get a clarification if this was a violation of the EULA? I know you - HiTech - stopped the last offender I reported (and evidenced) but I was made aware of another player using this exact unfair exploit approximately two months ago! Is it not high time this point was officially clarified and code put in place to check it?
Second chances yes I agree. If you're listening Skyyr (I'm sure you are) then I have always had challenging and enjoyable (if limited) contacts with you. You have been repectful to me and I don't know why, maybe I'm not so egotistical or threatening simply ploughing my own narrow furrow as I do but consider something possibly no one else has said to you or you've not arrived at yourself: Aces High should be about virtual flying and nothing further. Using it as a vehicle to placate the ghosts of your life is not strength and dominance but something far more insidious and distasteful. Neither will it do you any good in the long run. Your problems are your problems and you do not know what is at the other end of the computer account you are 'hunting'. I hope we can one day discuss ACM in a civilised and mutually respectful manner. How refreshing that would be.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Spikes on November 17, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
After a long conversation with skyyr I have decided to let him back into the skys.
He was band 9 years ago and I have let him back in on a probationary basis.
He was never band for hacking but was band for other behaviors.
Please do not over react everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Dale
Allowing the most toxic player to ever grace this game to come back seems like a questionable decision. I hope, for the sake of the leftover player base, that your right about second chances. Because there are a whole lot of people reading this thread that think you’ve just made a horrible mistake.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on November 17, 2023, 08:01:15 PM
What do you make other than ad hominem attacks? Asking for a friend.
Nice to know your trade offs.
I make this game a better place to be by not resorting to absolute horryfing and sexually homo erotic chats and pm’s.
I don’t wish death to someone’s family members for simply asking them to move a cv.
And I’m sorry but REPEATING someone’s words and actions are not ad hominem “attacks” They’re contemporaneous notes.
Please post for me anywhere in history where anyone has said any of those things about me in game or in here. Take all the time you need.
Again… my experience with this individual is not unique.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vulcan on November 17, 2023, 09:36:04 PM
I'm with Mayhem. Kanth was a squadmate in FSO, I remember what Skyrr did. He was not a nice person, he was also incredibly stupid as he left streams up on twitch which incriminated himself and proved what other players were complaining about.
Oh and he listened to k-pop...
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Tumor on November 17, 2023, 10:37:00 PM
He harassed and stream snipe players to the point of quitting. Didn't he take an unhealthy liking to Kanth, one the few female player that WAS in the game and harassed her to the point of quitting?
Ya know... Badboy does that too! Ask Ka1e.
Anyway, the Skyyr thing... someone way back mentioned something about a "Create the Hate" marketing campaign. Ya, ya, an inside job, ya, that's it.
It's becoming hilariously suspect.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: perdue3 on November 17, 2023, 11:40:16 PM
I do not know Skyyr, but I know Vraciu; and he is off the deep end in the MA.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 17, 2023, 11:49:03 PM
Redacted
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 18, 2023, 12:39:49 AM
He did that too. And to Dale's credit he stoped him when presented with evidence (although it took more than ten years and the driving away of several players for that to happen). Badboy is another example of wanting to keep him and his competitive-flying in game and keeping his Mr. Hyde outside of it. That's the trick.
someone way back mentioned something about a "Create the Hate" marketing campaign.
I considered that but think it's unlikely as it would evidently drive way more players away than it would bring (^ look). I think we must take Dale's actions as well-intentioned on the second-chance line.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 18, 2023, 12:41:27 AM
I make this game a better place to be by not resorting to absolute horryfing and sexually homo erotic chats and pm’s.
I don’t wish death to someone’s family members for simply asking them to move a cv.
And I’m sorry but REPEATING someone’s words and actions are not ad hominem “attacks” They’re contemporaneous notes.
Please post for me anywhere in history where anyone has said any of those things about me in game or in here. Take all the time you need.
Again… my experience with this individual is not unique.
Actually, all you do is abuse players on country channel who don't do what you want them to do. This includes both Vraciu and 99Capera. You have been attacking both of them for months then come in here and cry because one of them gave it back to you.
You project a lot and protest much. Pure hypocrisy.
(I just figured it out. You are one of Cane's fanbois. It all makes sense now. You are a dishobest broker.)
I do not know Skyyr, but I know Vraciu; and he is off the deep end in the MA.
Speak for yourself. The guy stands up for himself and the old guard has never liked that. Well, bully for him and tough titties for you is how I see it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: diaster on November 18, 2023, 12:55:42 AM
Not sure how this is news. He's been back for about a month now (this time) flying under a couple of other names. I see this evening he has reverted to "Skyyr".
He's been in and out several times under other names over the years. To be tacitly asked to believe that HTC was unaware of that strains credulity.
I've had several interactions with Skyyr under his other noms-de-guerre over the past few weeks in the MA and in MatchPlay. Happy to report all have been positive. I very much hope that continues to be the case.
Welcome back, Skyyr. Good luck. I hope you make the most of it in the best spirit of the game.
trogdor so what are the names?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: trogdor on November 18, 2023, 01:08:10 AM
Ertus, Achilles
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: diaster on November 18, 2023, 01:10:16 AM
I do not know Skyyr, but I know Vraciu; and he is off the deep end in the MA.
and he (vraciu)claims to be a Professional pilot.... rated in all kinds of aircraft. As much as he is in the game, he must have failed the pysch or he be flying for real. If somehow he is, I need to know the regional and make sure i don't sit as a pass. on that one.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: diaster on November 18, 2023, 01:11:41 AM
Actually, all you do is abuse players on country channel who don't do what you want them to do. This includes both Vraciu and 99Capera. You have been attacking both of them for months then come in here and cry because one of them gave it back to you.
You project a lot and protest much. Pure hypocrisy.
(I just figured it out. You are one of Cane's fanbois. It all makes sense now. You are a dishobest broker.)
Speak for yourself. The guy stands up for himself and the old guard has never liked that. Well, bully for him and tough titties for you is how I see it.
Solid effort kept at it.
Abuse? lol That’s not even close to the truth. He isn’t standing up for anything other than his own nonsense. And friend, I don’t bully anyone. Oh and 99 loves me when I agree with him about other people but not when I disagree with him about himself.
I will wait for the screenshots of my nonsense… they don’t exist
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 18, 2023, 07:59:22 AM
and he (vraciu)claims to be a Professional pilot.... rated in all kinds of aircraft. As much as he is in the game, he must have failed the pysch or he be flying for real. If somehow he is, I need to know the regional and make sure i don't sit as a pass. on that one.
Unfortunately none of that matters, I’m told we’re the bad guys…
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Busher on November 18, 2023, 08:45:23 AM
and he (vraciu)claims to be a Professional pilot.... rated in all kinds of aircraft. As much as he is in the game, he must have failed the pysch or he be flying for real. If somehow he is, I need to know the regional and make sure i don't sit as a pass. on that one.
I am a retired Airline pilot and I hate to burst your bubble but there is no psychology test required to get an ATPL.... and sadly there are far too many examples of the mentally imbalanced wearing gold epaulettes.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 18, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
I am a retired Airline pilot and I hate to burst your bubble but there is no psychology test required to get an ATPL.... and sadly there are far too many examples of the mentally imbalanced wearing gold epaulettes.
I highly doubt calling some ahole Ina video game an ahole disqualifies one from wearing wings. In fact, I suggest it is a requirement. Assertiveness is a necessary skill in any professional environment.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on November 18, 2023, 10:14:24 AM
Abuse? lol That’s not even close to the truth. He isn’t standing up for anything other than his own nonsense. And friend, I don’t bully anyone. Oh and 99 loves me when I agree with him about other people but not when I disagree with him about himself.
I will wait for the screenshots of my nonsense… they don’t exist
You've been smearing people without evidence on these boards like some jealous ex- girlfriend. The irony of this is as palpable as what Tryhard referenced.
You act like some spurned ex-gf.You are a toxic, arrogant, abusive jacka55. I've seen it from you on multiple occasions. When players return fire you whine like a schoolgirl. You deserve every bit of flak you take. Your behavior here is self-evident proof of your unhinged, borderline evil, and reality-devoid mentality.
You just don't like that people like Cap and Vraciu took on your hero Cane for his boat-hogging dweebery. Well, some of us can be objective on this and those two guys are right.
Friend? You don't have many in Rookland, that I can assure you. Vraciu is pretty well-liked on this side of the map. Just take Cane with you when you leave.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on November 18, 2023, 10:26:16 AM
Abuse? lol That’s not even close to the truth. He isn’t standing up for anything other than his own nonsense. And friend, I don’t bully anyone. Oh and 99 loves me when I agree with him about other people but not when I disagree with him about himself.
I will wait for the screenshots of my nonsense… they don’t exist
You don’t what? Your credibility on this subject is zero.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 18, 2023, 10:28:38 AM
I'm out of this thread, its turned into a "you hate me,but I hate you more" fest. give it rest. :bolt:
Agreed Jimmy… I will just part with this.
Last night I set my plane on climb toward a big furball and went and did a couple things… 15 min later or so I find myself 18K over what used to be a furball. I spot three red icons out of the corner of my eye chasing someone so I nose down only to find it’s Vraciu. I quickly gave the auto check six and then told him he had three in tow. He was not aware. As I got closer to them I noticed more red appearing out of my other side. There were FIVE more planes 1K behind the other three. He was 1 vs. 8 and didn’t even know it at first.
Anyway he thanked me and I kept him informed on vox as I went from 18K to 500ft as soon is I could. I got one guy, pinged up a few more. Not sure what happened to V after that I don’t remember hearing him. I think Hombre came in and cleaned up as I was ganged down. Was one positive interaction maybe it will continue?
I don’t hate, I don’t squelch, I don’t report, I don’t pm, I don’t say things about people’s families, I don’t send hate filled homo erotic pms… you know who you are.
I do repeat… if people don’t want what they say and do repeated then they should think about that ahead of time.
I certainly apologize if I offended anyone who was innocent or did I or unprovoked like the others. Would like to know who though. I don’t even know who Palace Cobra is.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 18, 2023, 11:15:26 AM
I was on during that encounter and Vraciu thanked you. "Thank you for the check six, Dad, sir."
He also went back to clear you at some point in that fight.
I think you guys are fighting over nothing at this point. Give it a bye.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Spikes on November 18, 2023, 11:17:00 AM
Keep telling yourself that so you can still be wrong. You are only gaslighting yourself.
Next you'll be saying Animl is also Vraciu just because he's not towing the party line. You people are as predictable as a watch.
Vraciu used to be in my squadron for a very short time long ago as we crossed paths and I liked him. Most people do. Sounds like jealousy because nobody even knows who you are, Spikes. I sure don't.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bruv119 on November 18, 2023, 11:39:23 AM
but did he change the weight of his plane? that is what I want to know. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 18, 2023, 12:00:48 PM
but did he change the weight of his plane? that is what I want to know. :aok
Atkins?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 18, 2023, 12:30:32 PM
Well the OP and purpose of the thread was clearly an announcement and not a discussion so that's the end of it. I reiterate I think not placing countermeasures to second account abuse is asking for future trouble. And apparently present trouble already if what I'm told is true.
Not clarifying the EULA on this subject when asked by paying customers I can only view to be extreme apathy or tactic consent. The additional revenue HTC gets for the second account only breaks-even if it p155es off strictly less than one player. Unlikely given the history of this - well cheating - let's not mince words.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bear76 on November 18, 2023, 12:44:33 PM
TIL how to use the ignore list. I hope it sticks, unlike the daily in-game squelch list.
This lapse in judgment will surely be a net loss. Skyyr's 2 or 3 subscriptions aren't nearly going to compensate for the number of people he will drive away from the game.
YAY, I am happy he is back. I wish I had more time to play. I understand how the few with barks bigger than their bites (Dolby, Simon, LilMak) would be upset. Dolby. which account are you closing, I think you have 3-5?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: ULPink on November 18, 2023, 04:13:55 PM
Which one, Dolby lololol I thought you said you owned Skyyr; why quit when you can prove it? Anyway, I hope I have time to fly again. Figures he is back in when I am too busy. Go get them, Skyyr, love your videos.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on November 18, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
And MINDY makes an appearance as if by miracle! Oh boy this thread is going to be awesome, ill start the popcorn :x
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on November 18, 2023, 04:48:25 PM
Used to be Skuzzy would call out the shade accounts on the BBS and ban them before he "retired" (laid off most likely)
Yep. A lot of things would not be happening.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Softail on November 18, 2023, 09:36:43 PM
Yup...this took all of 5 minutes to find on his youtube channel. SMH.
@scootersplace9324 2 months ago Are yor back Reply Skyyr · @Skyyr @Skyyr 2 months ago I've been back at various points. I always post these after the fact to keep my identity hidden though. Reply @scootersplace9324 @scootersplace9324 2 months ago I'll definitely be checking my 6 more often Reply
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Prayer on November 18, 2023, 09:44:29 PM
Just good to see more players coming back. People change every 7 years right. The more the merrier with our numbers.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Softail on November 18, 2023, 09:47:44 PM
Yup...this took all of 5 minutes to find on his youtube channel. SMH.
@scootersplace9324 2 months ago Are yor back Reply Skyyr · @Skyyr @Skyyr 2 months ago I've been back at various points. I always post these after the fact to keep my identity hidden though. Reply @scootersplace9324 @scootersplace9324 2 months ago I'll definitely be checking my 6 more often Reply
Did it also take you five minutes to find that the film in question is over five years old?
You people...smh.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Softail on November 18, 2023, 10:05:29 PM
Yup...this took all of 5 minutes to find on his youtube channel. SMH.
@scootersplace9324 2 months ago Are yor back Reply Skyyr · @Skyyr @Skyyr 2 months ago I've been back at various points. I always post these after the fact to keep my identity hidden though. Reply @scootersplace9324 @scootersplace9324 2 months ago I'll definitely be checking my 6 more often Reply
I tell you what that scootersplace is a handsome man!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on November 19, 2023, 02:23:59 AM
This is the most singular thread I have ever read in my time on this forum.
What about the other people who have been banned - for what we the player-base percieve as much lesser sins - is this part of a global amnesty or is a lengthy phone call required to consider their cases also?
What about Latrobe (already mentioned) for instance. A great stick, a thoroughly civilised chap, and a fun fight, helpfully made many videos explaining ACM and promoting Aces High. If he wasn't banned from the game he certainly was from the forum for no offence other than being in the same squadron that did that weird forum attack? This and similar victimisation surely lead to his leaving. No apology is felt necessary? Or to others?
You do not specify for which 'behaviours' the ban was applied but since you've made this notification on the forum it's reasonable to assume you also consider us - the broader player base. To suggest Skyyr had been successfully banned from the MA implies his YouTube channel has not been monitored. Will this YouTube account be checked going forward? Especially since it has been used frequently to intimidate certain targeted individuals or imply some weird dominance based on proficiency in a game. Surely we can all agree this leads to undesirable gameplay and driving people away from the game? The video of Lazer's ACM was only released a couple of weeks ago and since taken down. Is this contrition or merely an HTC-imposed condition for the unbanning? Similarly Dolby's video which was removed due to a successful copyright violation only to appear on a Russian website?
Further in general does this mark the point where clarification is finally forthcoming on HTC's position regarding second account misuse used to locate and track another player? Over a decade ago several of us have asked for either a checkbox to disable the dot wingman command on the requestee’s end or otherwise a yes/no pop-up box similar to the join-request during flight. We could not even get a clarification if this was a violation of the EULA? I know you - HiTech - stopped the last offender I reported (and evidenced) but I was made aware of another player using this exact unfair exploit approximately two months ago! Is it not high time this point was officially clarified and code put in place to check it?
Second chances yes I agree. If you're listening Skyyr (I'm sure you are) then I have always had challenging and enjoyable (if limited) contacts with you. You have been repectful to me and I don't know why, maybe I'm not so egotistical or threatening simply ploughing my own narrow furrow as I do but consider something possibly no one else has said to you or you've not arrived at yourself: Aces High should be about virtual flying and nothing further. Using it as a vehicle to placate the ghosts of your life is not strength and dominance but something far more insidious and distasteful. Neither will it do you any good in the long run. Your problems are your problems and you do not know what is at the other end of the computer account you are 'hunting'. I hope we can one day discuss ACM in a civilised and mutually respectful manner. How refreshing that would be.
Latrobe....he certainly "was from the forum for no offence other than being in the same squadron that did that weird forum attack?"
The Anime Porn Spam? :rofl I never did hear an explanation for that?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: 1stpar3 on November 19, 2023, 04:22:49 AM
Which one, Dolby lololol I thought you said you owned Skyyr; why quit when you can prove it? Anyway, I hope I have time to fly again. Figures he is back in when I am too busy. Go get them, Skyyr, love your videos.
Shouldn't you be studying or something? :devil This popcorn is extra Butter and Salty AF!!!!! I am ok with it! :rofl Would you be shocked, if I tell ya....Unc was singing Scooby Doo theme song last night?🤣
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 19, 2023, 04:29:28 AM
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: flippz on November 19, 2023, 08:36:24 AM
I have been back for damn near two weeks and not a single post about me. I am taking my ball and leaving. Welcome back skyyr glad to have a stick that don’t dive from 18k and run for help.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: The Fugitive on November 19, 2023, 08:44:56 AM
I have been back for damn near two weeks and not a single post about me. I am taking my ball and leaving. Welcome back skyyr glad to have a stick that don’t dive from 18k and run for help.
Yeah but he still mostly flies La7s and 190Ds though. :neener:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 19, 2023, 03:19:05 PM
It's funny that a guy who shades in La-7s is talking about EZ Moders.
As I recall, you guaranteed you'd be #1 Fighter this tour in P-51s. :rofl
You should step outside and get some air once in a while. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on November 19, 2023, 07:53:12 PM
Weird a guy posting here a few weeks ago looking for training videos and knows so much about everything community related.
Maybe if your time was spent better you wouldn't be asking for help after two decades. I believe you referenced ownge back to a previous sim.
If you want your sociopath buddy in the game cool.. at least get better with the shading stuff though if you want to stir the pot. At least he has a clue how to fight when you have zero.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on November 19, 2023, 08:57:48 PM
But wait if Palace Cobra is Vraciu does that make me Mindy?!????
Butt who remembers Midway? consider your ways!!!!!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Spikes on November 19, 2023, 09:00:24 PM
Weird a guy posting here a few weeks ago looking for training videos and knows so much about everything community related.
Maybe if your time was spent better you wouldn't be asking for help after two decades. I believe you referenced ownge back to a previous sim.
If you want your sociopath buddy in the game cool.. at least get better with the shading stuff though if you want to stir the pot. At least he has a clue how to fight when you have zero.
You've never fought me so how would you know?
(It's pretty easy to find Intel when the characters are the same. )
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 19, 2023, 10:25:18 PM
Just fly your own game. Challenge yourself not others. Try to avoid getting embroiled in pointless conflicts as some seem to seek. Don't align your ego behind activities in an online game. AH is an excellent hobby and nothing more meaningful. Recognise what purpose smack-talk serves. Try to be a bit more empathic towards others and especially yourself. Don't feed the tenet that the only way to solve problems is to apply force and rage. Try that with your own aircraft and see how it works out. Work with nature and not against it. Nature is everywhere even in virtual environments. Be more Stoic. Stop drinkng coffee. That's all I have for today. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 20, 2023, 02:48:36 AM
Just fly your own game. Challenge yourself not others. Try to avoid getting embroiled in pointless conflicts as some seem to seek. Don't align your ego behind activities in an online game. AH is an excellent hobby and nothing more meaningful. Recognise what purpose smack-talk serves. Try to be a bit more empathic towards others and especially yourself. Don't feed the tenet that the only way to solve problems is to apply force and rage. Try that with your own aircraft and see how it works out. Work with nature and not against it. Nature is everywhere even in virtual environments. Be more Stoic. Stop drinkng coffee. That's all I have for today. :salute
Fully agreed except the coffee, as there is no rule in Patimokkha which forbids coffee. It says “refrain from intoxicating drink and drugs which lead to carelessness” but I don't consider coffee being intoxicating as without it I'm pretty intoxicatingly careless. :D
And I'd add "log off when you get upset". That's what I do, instead of going to spread insults in 200.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: dieter on November 20, 2023, 08:58:46 AM
I love reading the forum threads. I don't really care about much in them, so they're just good fun to read. Jeez, I really don't care about almost anything. I don't really think shade accounts are a big deal, but they could be minimized if dot dar was turned back on, NOE meant nobody could see you, and the name appearing when you put the cursor on the plane in the map went away. Then hunting people would be harder, finding bombers would be harder, and NOE runs would make airfield defenses much more interesting. Ah and give us a dfuse on the bombs!! Not to mention leave it daylight always, and no dar bar for NOE, or base flash!! Maybe try those settings for a week and see how it inflames the people who hate change, and how it changes game play?
As for Skyyr returning; welcome back, always fun to have people that like to fight. I just wish Mindy was around more, that player is crazy!! As to the rest of you lunatics, see you in the unfriendly skies.
Dieter
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 20, 2023, 10:59:37 AM
(It's pretty easy to find Intel when the characters are the same. )
No one even knows who you are. Why don't you let us know your in-game name. Or are you scared?
You know what I find absolutely crazy.
Since Hitech made this post, Skyyr has flown 25 hours already. Not taking into account how long he's been signed in. Thats more than I've played in 2 months combined in about 3 days. I've played 112 hours total in 2023 not including scenarios and FSO, which may bring it to 120 hours. Between Ertus and Skyyr it's about 64 hours played in less than 3 weeks. I think that's crazy.
And what have I said here that's slandering anyone? You are just a Dolby psycophant. That's your beef.
I'm laughing so hard that you people think I'm Vraciu because I stood up for him. Hilarious.
You said Im shading while flying an La7, which is absurdly false. Therefore slandering me with an incorrect statement. Further you have provided no proof for that claim, nor could you.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on November 20, 2023, 12:03:51 PM
I love reading the forum threads. I don't really care about much in them, so they're just good fun to read. Jeez, I really don't care about almost anything. I don't really think shade accounts are a big deal, but they could be minimized if dot dar was turned back on, NOE meant nobody could see you, and the name appearing when you put the cursor on the plane in the map went away. Then hunting people would be harder, finding bombers would be harder, and NOE runs would make airfield defenses much more interesting. Ah and give us a dfuse on the bombs!! Not to mention leave it daylight always, and no dar bar for NOE, or base flash!! Maybe try those settings for a week and see how it inflames the people who hate change, and how it changes game play?
As for Skyyr returning; welcome back, always fun to have people that like to fight. I just wish Mindy was around more, that player is crazy!! As to the rest of you lunatics, see you in the unfriendly skies.
Dieter
+1
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: HollyWood750 on November 20, 2023, 03:04:54 PM
I had two, above-average fights this weekend (an excellent furball weekend, btw, with many good fights). One was with Shane (La7) and the other was with Skyyr (La7). I came in with far-superior energy on both occasions, and flew about as well as I could manage both times. And still lost both fights. My atrocious aim is somewhat partly to blame, but in the end, they flew better than I did. After I squandered the energy advantage that I brought into the fight, they shredded my beloved D25. Did I learn anything? Probably not, lol. But I had a blast in both fights, and neither pilot rubbed my nose in it afterwards. So, small thanks for that! I guess what I'm trying to say, the more people we can get into the game, the better. I'm hoping Kruel and the gang will come back, and I'd love to see Latrobe and Dolby. And a ton of other folks. It feels like the MA is getting a little bit fuller each month, so I hope the larger numbers trend keeps continuing. It's not my call on who gets to play though. Just hoping they get lined up correctly in front of that big radial engine. ;)
:joystick: :salute
-HlyWd-
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on November 20, 2023, 03:32:52 PM
You're always a fun fight and the one thing I do acknowledge in the MA is effort. You were also nice enough to stay out of the 109k (aeroace7) on me when he asked. Once the 109 left to rtb is the engagement you described below.
I will very often overfly /bypass 2 people engaged in what seems to be a nice 1 v 1 (fun for them.) It's those little sidebar engagements that are enjoyable for many.
If it's a furball or close-in base op, it's anything goes. Pikboi! :neener:
I had two, above-average fights this weekend (an excellent furball weekend, btw, with many good fights). One was with Shane (La7) and the other was with Skyyr (La7). I had a blast in both fights, and neither pilot rubbed my nose in it afterwards. :joystick: :salute
-HlyWd-
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Oldman731 on November 20, 2023, 07:10:17 PM
Hollywood is always a good fight. Running into both Shane and Skyyr on the same night suggests he is out of luck.
You're always a fun fight and the one thing I do acknowledge in the MA is effort. You were also nice enough to stay out of the 109k (aeroace7) on me when he asked. Once the 109 left to rtb is the engagement you described below.
I will very often overfly /bypass 2 people engaged in what seems to be a nice 1 v 1 (fun for them.) It's those little sidebar engagements that are enjoyable for many.
If it's a furball or close-in base op, it's anything goes. Pikboi! :neener:
Hope you make it to MNM - it's still a thing.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: molybdenum on November 20, 2023, 11:18:31 PM
My two cents worth...
It's proper and right to give people a second chance, if they've acted repentant of previous behavior. But HT doesn't seem to monitor complaints closely any more. So the most likely result of this player's return is that things will go smoothly for a while, and then he will regress to his previous behavior. And nothing will be done, and some long term subscribers might be driven off as a result.
Like I said. My two cents.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: 1stpar3 on November 21, 2023, 05:19:57 AM
Wasn't he in Sloppy Seconds at some point? The squad that posted the Anime Spam? MANDELA EFFECT? :uhoh
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Gman on November 21, 2023, 12:30:26 PM
I wonder if "Mindy" will ever be in the skies simultaneously with Skyyr now.
Every game needs a foil, and Skyyr is the perfect "bad wrestler". Despite his poor attempts at hiding his identity, I think overall it's good to have him back in the game. Look at the attention in this thread alone. I was considering re subbing in a few weeks, I'm coming back sooner now just so I don't miss any of the show.
His actions have been ridiculous, even deplorable in the past - and that's just the point. Everyone needs somebody to root against.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on November 21, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
I wonder if "Mindy" will ever be in the skies simultaneously with Skyyr now.
Every game needs a foil, and Skyyr is the perfect "bad wrestler". Despite his poor attempts at hiding his identity, I think overall it's good to have him back in the game. Look at the attention in this thread alone. I was considering re subbing in a few weeks, I'm coming back sooner now just so I don't miss any of the show.
I have had fights with both and don't think that they are the same person..
All for more red planes not less..numbers getting better these days during prime time
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on November 21, 2023, 04:09:50 PM
I wonder if "Mindy" will ever be in the skies simultaneously with Skyyr now.
Every game needs a foil, and Skyyr is the perfect "bad wrestler". Despite his poor attempts at hiding his identity, I think overall it's good to have him back in the game. Look at the attention in this thread alone. I was considering re subbing in a few weeks, I'm coming back sooner now just so I don't miss any of the show.
His actions have been ridiculous, even deplorable in the past - and that's just the point. Everyone needs somebody to root against.
She is chomping at the bit! School has her tied up. Hoping she can get on a bit through Christmas break. I miss that lunatic!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: 1stpar3 on November 24, 2023, 05:10:06 AM
From what I understand that was perpetrated by only 2 or 3 individuals who happened to be a part of that squad(of like 10).
Latrobe may have liked anime, but he would have never spammed the forum.
Yes Sir! My point was, he was sort of Roped in with the "spammers"? Pretty sure he could have fought the ban. He was ALWAYS a stand up guy to me! If I ever had a question...Latrobe on the spot.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on November 25, 2023, 03:57:49 PM
Thank you, Hitech :salute
I will neither let you down nor disappoint!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on November 25, 2023, 05:10:49 PM
You gonna try VR?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: lyric1 on November 25, 2023, 08:12:51 PM
Seemed just like yesterday :headscratch: did not know it was 9 years. Well welcome back.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: mechanic on November 26, 2023, 01:51:04 AM
DA 1v1 Results vs. The Muppets: 8W - 1L Triton28 (1-0), Changeup (2-0), Violator (1-1), Debrody (1-0), Batfink (1-0), Agent360 (2-0)
:rofl
We had one DA session about 12 years ago and we had a lot more than just one fight. So I assume you are either delusional or outright lying to provoke a reaction. Well here is your reaction....and....I stopped caring already. Bye.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: scott66 on November 26, 2023, 02:32:38 AM
I changed my mind! He killed me last night!! Ban him again!! ;) :airplane:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on November 26, 2023, 08:17:17 AM
DA 1v1 Results vs. The Muppets: 8W - 1L Triton28 (1-0), Changeup (2-0), Violator (1-1), Debrody (1-0), Batfink (1-0), Agent360 (2-0)
:rofl
We had one DA session about 12 years ago and we had a lot more than just one fight. So I assume you are either delusional or outright lying to provoke a reaction. Well here is your reaction....and....I stopped caring already. Bye.
Well hello to you too! That's the result of the duel itself (win/lose). All of the numbers below are wins/losses. And my signature has had that for 9 years. You just now noticed that?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 26, 2023, 10:42:53 AM
It is really important who won some virtual battels more than a decade ago... :x
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 26, 2023, 10:57:58 AM
My first "duel" with skyyr was a practice drunk fight at 3am and doesn't count. I don't consider it a competitive duel and shouldn't be counted on his "record" but this is what egotistical maniacs do. When he posted that film on youtube, it really pissed me off. I bet skyyr has ran more players off from this game than any other person in this game with his disrespect.
Oh and would you look at that, he stole the "The Damned" squad name again.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on November 26, 2023, 11:57:28 AM
My first "duel" with skyyr was a practice drunk fight at 3am and doesn't count. I don't consider it a competitive duel and shouldn't be counted on his "record" but this is what egotistical maniacs do. When he posted that film on youtube, it really pissed me off. I bet skyyr has ran more players off from this game than any other person in this game with his disrespect.
Oh and would you look at that, he stole the "The Damned" squad name again.
It wasn't "practice." I made sure to remove any possibility of that excuse by stating the rules before the duel and then posting it publicly so everyone could see it wasn't some fun time.
I neither liked nor practiced with any of the Muppets, every duel was for the record. You challenged me repeatedly, like all the Muppets did. To date, I've never challenged any Muppet to a duel, which is what made everything very funny, IMO. I was called out for every duel and it ended hilariously.
I believe your literal exact words were "you wouldn't last two seconds against me in any plane in the DA." Ah, fun times.
My first "duel" with skyyr was a practice drunk fight at 3am and doesn't count. I don't consider it a competitive duel and shouldn't be counted on his "record" but this is what egotistical maniacs do. When he posted that film on youtube, it really pissed me off. I bet skyyr has ran more players off from this game than any other person in this game with his disrespect.
Oh and would you look at that, he stole the "The Damned" squad name again.
Nothing but excuses for your horrific loss. "I was drunk. The sun was in my eyes. I pulled my hammy in practice." :rolleyes:
Hey, there's one way to settle it once and for all, but I guarantee you will refuse to duel him again. Your ego would be shattered. At least this way you can lie to yourself.
How's that pursuit of #1 going? You guaranteed you'd make #1 this tour (using the P-51, no less).
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 12:19:41 PM
It is really important who won some virtual battels more than a decade ago... :x
Yes. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Busher on November 26, 2023, 12:31:56 PM
I wonder if we were to open a discussion on the subject of pathological narcissism if Hitech might consider it to be either too personal or too political.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Tracerfi on November 26, 2023, 12:33:06 PM
Nothing but excuses for your horrific loss. "I was drunk. The sun was in my eyes. I pulled my hammy in practice." :rolleyes:
Hey, there's one way to settle it once and for all, but I guarantee you will refuse to duel him again. Your ego would be shattered. At least this way you can lie to yourself.
How's that pursuit of #1 going? You guaranteed you'd make #1 this tour (using the P-51, no less).
The IQ level of this post in so low I am sad I have the ability to read.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 26, 2023, 12:40:13 PM
I was at a job interview recently and they liked me but there were better qualified candidates for that specific industry.
Interviewer: “Sorry but I think we are going to go in another direction, thanks for coming in.”
Me: “I urge you to reconsider, maybe take one more look at my resume. Have you seen my Aces High K/D ratio perhaps? My dueling record is superb!”
Interviewer: “Hire this man!”
Long story short I got the job as their new latex salesman.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 26, 2023, 12:42:50 PM
I've got a novel suggestion: how about we leave the past in the past and just enjoy the fact there are still worthy oppoenets still around. I hadn't realised how much I'd missed that until one came back.
I've never really grasped the swaggering cowboy ego thing. Granted I'm a weirdo non-American but how about just fly hard and focus on your own activities / progression (if that's your bag).
Nothing but excuses for your horrific loss. "I was drunk. The sun was in my eyes. I pulled my hammy in practice." :rolleyes:
Could you please stop this and pop off. I know you don't play AH anymore. Any grudges you (apparently have) are another issue entirelly. You're esentially trolling on the achievements of another. Your neither getting revenge nor doing any promotional good either.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 26, 2023, 01:21:49 PM
Shall we expand this utterly intelligent and very thorough conversation to a totally new level and start discussing who has beaten who in real life? I can start by telling about the wrestling match with my vacuum cleaner, which I won after some ten minutes agony. That was a crown jewel of my whole 25 year career as a close combat and self defense instructor.
Another subject for bragging could be contacts with important persons. I, for example, have been in a same rain with George W. Bush, in Helsinki at September 8–9, 1990. That was amazing!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 01:31:45 PM
I've got a novel suggestion: how about we leave the past in the past and just enjoy the fact there are still worthy oppoenets still around. I hadn't realised how much I'd missed that until one came back.
Great idea, but the establishment cabal ain't letting that happen.
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I've never really grasped the swaggering cowboy ego thing. Granted I'm a weirdo non-American but how about just fly hard and focus on your own activities / progression (if that's your bag).
Could you please stop this and pop off. I know you don't play AH anymore. Any grudges you (apparently have) are another issue entirelly. You're esentially trolling on the achievements of another. Your neither getting revenge nor doing any promotional good either.
I'm looking to see Violator step up and back his smack talk.
Violator was okay back in the day I guess but Skyyr is on another level. Violator can't accept this fact and refuses to do anything but make excuses for his lopsided losses.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on November 26, 2023, 01:38:44 PM
Shall we expand this utterly intelligent and very thorough conversation to a totally new level and start discussing who has beaten who in real life? I can start by telling about the wrestling match with my vacuum cleaner, which I won after some ten minutes agony. That was a crown jewel of my whole 25 year career as a close combat and self defense instructor.
Not a very impressive achievement.
Everyone knows vacuum cleaners suck.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 26, 2023, 01:52:47 PM
Mine has black hose in Brazilian jujutsu. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCy_g6IAepe56DmYAozCJvSP1QRDvTCOdS-O6UAF6Z7-jrFn61ek8bF4tBv8FywsajL5I&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 26, 2023, 02:08:44 PM
It wasn't "practice." I made sure to remove any possibility of that excuse by stating the rules before the duel and then posting it publicly so everyone could see it wasn't some fun time.
I neither liked nor practiced with any of the Muppets, every duel was for the record. You challenged me repeatedly, like all the Muppets did. To date, I've never challenged any Muppet to a duel, which is what made everything very funny, IMO.
I believe your literal exact words were "you wouldn't last two seconds against me in any plane in the DA." Ah, fun times.
Ah yes, found it:
Good to see you again though! <S>
That's false and you know it. It was never considered an official duel by either of us and I told you I was deep in drinks. I told you going into it that it was merely for the fun of it. that's why my sober "rematch" ended differently....
Just shows the type of character you and PC are though and why I still give you chit ;) <S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 26, 2023, 02:43:37 PM
I'll upload the entire film and AHF shortly, so the full chatlogs are visible. It'll be interesting to see the backpedaling. He even had another post (from this year) about how he's been trying to figure out how I won the merges for years.
I mean, I can guarantee I've never even thought twice about our past duels until today. Rent free living in someone's head apparently exists.
This game's competitive scene never fails to disappoint <S>
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Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 26, 2023, 03:09:01 PM
I'd earnestly appeal - in everybody's interests (including my own) - to just calm it all down a notch and try to leave the past as a matter of record and not drag it into the future. IMHO the flying is a sufficiently convincing argument in itself. Remember what Stan Laurel said: "You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead" :banana:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 03:16:04 PM
I think they should duel again.
That would settle it.
But Violator is skeered. :ahand
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on November 26, 2023, 03:23:59 PM
Is the humiliation of Violator really so necessary to you you'd even risk Skyyr's (theoretical) probation terms to achieve it - vicariously even? Why don't you duel Violator?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 26, 2023, 04:00:40 PM
I mean, I can guarantee I've never even thought twice about our past duels until today.
Calling BS on that one. It's all you live for. Hundreds and hundreds of hours every month. Between your YT channel, your shade accounts in the BBS and in the game, not to mention your trolling other forums, this nonchalant act is completely unbelievable.
In fact, you even waited until this thread had died to post a response and bump it so you'd get more attention. Then there's the Palace_Cobra "training films" thread. :rolleyes:
The only thing funnier than your amateurish attempt at attention-seeking is that you think people don't see right through it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: perdue3 on November 26, 2023, 05:25:16 PM
Oh yea. You were the guy that always commented on Vraciu's skins. You also type like him, with excessive amounts of spaces after the period. Curious, that.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 05:38:54 PM
Calling BS on that one. It's all you live for. Hundreds and hundreds of hours every month. Between your YT channel, your shade accounts in the BBS and in the game, not to mention your trolling other forums, this nonchalant act is completely unbelievable.
In fact, you even waited until this thread had died to post a response and bump it so you'd get more attention. Then there's the Palace_Cobra "training films" thread. :rolleyes:
The only thing funnier than your amateurish attempt at attention-seeking is that you think people don't see right through it.
Nice job on that #4 rank, Simon, from #1. I guess Skyyr handed you your arse the other day. :banana:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
Oh yea. You were the guy that always commented on Vraciu's skins. You also type like him, with excessive amounts of spaces after the period. Curious, that.
Swing and a miss, big shot. Shida knows. Now go tell some more lies.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 05:42:53 PM
OMG, someone may type the way EVERYONE once did. THE HORROR OF IT ALL!!!
With the introduction of the typewriter in the late 19th century, typists used two spaces between sentences to mimic the style used by traditional typesetters.[4] While wide sentence spacing was phased out in the printing industry in the mid-20th century, the practice continued on typewriters[5] and later on computers.[6] Perhaps because of this, many modern sources now incorrectly[7] claim that wide spacing was created for the typewriter.[8]
Anyone who learned to type in the 80s on actual typewriters knows you use more than one space. My spacing is actually random because IDGAF! :banana: :x :bolt:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on November 26, 2023, 05:45:21 PM
So it's been 10 days since the pardon and the mudslinging and drama has already reached near crescendo levels.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 05:57:09 PM
The peanut gallery won't let it go. They are jealous they aren't at least notorious versus being totally ANONYMOUS. WOOT!
Please identify yourself insofar as your identity in Melee arena. It's not a player ID I've come across in my 22 years as a subscriber. For someone as vocal as you've been lately, perhaps you'd like reveal your alter ego.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 06:06:00 PM
Is the humiliation of Violator really so necessary to you you'd even risk Skyyr's (theoretical) probation terms to achieve it - vicariously even? Why don't you duel Violator?
I have it on good authority that you know exactly who I am. I don't post under the gameid I USED to play under, but I'm my own man. I have been gone for a long time, but it may be time to come on back.
I'm not risking anything with Skyyr. I'm just a commentator.
Not a single person here knows who I am. That you guess wildly incorrectly only adds to the humor of it. It also speaks volumes about some of the players here. You guys just can't be civil. It's always a conspiracy or an oppurtunity to attack someone. Skuzzy isn't here any more to keep you guys in line so you think you can get away with it. Perhaps you can. So far you sure are.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on November 26, 2023, 06:06:48 PM
Please identify yourself insofar as your identity in Melee arena. It's not a player ID I've come across in my 22 years as a subscriber. For someone as vocal as you've been lately, perhaps you'd like reveal your alter ego.
I'm you.
Doesn't matter who I was. Nobody would remember any way. And no, I'm not telling you. So stop asking.
This thread has run its course any way. Go enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 26, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
Nice job on that #4 rank, Simon, from #1. I guess Skyyr handed you your arse the other day. :banana:
I assure you that you care about my score far more than I do. Besides, your hero hasn't fared too well from what I've experienced so far this tour. He did a better job hunting me in his Ertus account before I started to notice. I'm sure he'll get the rust off soon enough though. It only took a week or two before he was sounding like his old self on ch200.
Also, I would rather not be in the business of entertaining troll-shades, so consider this our last interaction until you're ready to stop hiding.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on November 26, 2023, 06:14:39 PM
Whoa...who would have expected such a reply? Lolz :devil
Given your non-relevance by your own admonition, please take a seat and be quiet. :devil
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Meatwad on November 26, 2023, 06:21:02 PM
Its getting shady in here
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on November 26, 2023, 08:01:22 PM
Fulcrum?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 27, 2023, 02:52:11 AM
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 27, 2023, 03:09:43 AM
...the dangers of unsubstantiated information. The proximity of the game to its tipping point. That some people cling to illusion because they need it to survive. That calousness and sadism are not the most admirable or strongest of human traits. That self-directed and continuous learning and skill is rewarding in itself. That my MS Sidewinder may not recover from its latest surgery...
That I don't belong here? <- probably. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: alkali on November 27, 2023, 04:42:06 AM
Shall we expand this utterly intelligent and very thorough conversation to a totally new level and start discussing who has beaten who in real life? I can start by telling about the wrestling match with my vacuum cleaner, which I won after some ten minutes agony. That was a crown jewel of my whole 25 year career as a close combat and self defense instructor.
Duelling with coat-hangers in the dark is a tougher fight. One I not always come on top of.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on November 27, 2023, 02:24:40 PM
Can we set up a dueling bracket this summer?? PLEEEEASE!?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: PopJanko on November 27, 2023, 05:25:26 PM
After a long conversation with skyyr I have decided to let him back into the skys.
He was band 9 years ago and I have let him back in on a probationary basis.
He was never band for hacking but was band for other behaviors.
Please do not over react everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Dale
Good to hear, hope previous problems don't reoccur. 9 years is a long time for a ban.
:airplane:
Thanks for the update Dale
Pop
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 28, 2023, 10:59:32 AM
The 9 year ban was irrelevant, as Skyyr has continued to fly under various accounts, and fully admitted to circumventing his ban on multiple occasions.
As far as the previous problems reoccurring, if you mean:
Hunting specific players Coordinating attacks with players on different countries Using 3rd party comms (Discord) to track other players Using multiple accounts on different countries to track players (see Ertus, PalCobra) Crowing on channel 200 Antagonizing other players at every opportunity (his latest squad name was "skyyr 6, shane 1" or something to that effect. Embellishing and/or flat out lying about the circumstances of his deaths ("good fight you two") Demanding duels in the DA while referencing obscure events from decades ago
... then yeah, I think that ship has sailed.
Just last night he admitted to being StarFox, Russyn, and Adonai, as well as holding some of those accounts concurrently, and lying about it to avoid them being banned. Then he has the audacity to claim not to be Ertus, and for "proof" says to ask HiTech - the very same HiTech that he completely fooled with his previous accounts.
He never learned his lesson after being permanently banned from Fighter Ace. Nor did he with his 9 year quasi-ban from AH.
A leopard cannot change his spots.
PS. Apologies for propagating the drama in here and on ch200 to those that are disinclined to follow these adventures.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on November 28, 2023, 11:12:36 AM
Please identify yourself insofar as your identity in Melee arena. It's not a player ID I've come across in my 22 years as a subscriber. For someone as vocal as you've been lately, perhaps you'd like reveal your alter ego.
I'm guessing it's SAMIAM...
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on November 28, 2023, 11:18:14 AM
The 9 year ban was irrelevant, as Skyyr has continued to fly under various accounts, and fully admitted to circumventing his ban on multiple occasions.
As far as the previous problems reoccurring, if you mean:
Hunting specific players Coordinating attacks with players on different countries Using 3rd party comms (Discord) to track other players Using multiple accounts on different countries to track players (see Ertus, PalCobra) Crowing on channel 200 Antagonizing other players at every opportunity (his latest squad name was "skyyr 6, shane 1" or something to that effect. Embellishing and/or flat out lying about the circumstances of his deaths ("good fight you two") Demanding duels in the DA while referencing obscure events from decades ago
... then yeah, I think that ship has sailed.
Just last night he admitted to being StarFox, Russyn, and Adonai, as well as holding some of those accounts concurrently, and lying about it to avoid them being banned. Then he has the audacity to claim not to be Ertus, and for "proof" says to ask HiTech - the very same HiTech that he completely fooled with his previous accounts.
He never learned his lesson after being permanently banned from Fighter Ace. Nor did he with his 9 year quasi-ban from AH.
A leopard cannot change his spots.
PS. Apologies for propagating the drama in here and on ch200 to those that are disinclined to follow these adventures.
Simon, let it go. He has been officially allowed back into the game, done deal. Let him succeed or fail based on his current activities. Your doing no one any favors by continuing the tirade. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 28, 2023, 11:30:01 AM
Simon, let it go. He has been officially allowed back into the game, done deal. Let him succeed or fail based on his current activities. Your doing no one any favors by continuing the tirade. :salute
Salute JimmyD3.
With all due respect, you're not one of the people being harrassed by this individual. I am acting on behalf of the many members of this community that he continues to negatively impact with his activities.
Since I couldn't care less about my score, and can cohesively and accurately share my observations, along with my 20+ year history in having dealt with this person, I think I am uniquely qualified to provide my input, which I believe is welcomed by many. Of course, not by all, which I understand and offer apologies to. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 28, 2023, 11:31:22 AM
With all due respect, you're not one of the people being harrassed by this individual. I am acting on behalf of the many members of this community that he continues to negatively impact with his activities.
Since I couldn't care less about my score, and can cohesively and accurately share my observations, along with my 20+ year history in having dealt with this person, I think I am uniquely qualified to provide my input, which I believe is welcomed by many. Of course, not by all, which I understand and offer apologies to. :salute
Didn’t you openly admit on 200 last night that skyyr kept changing planes so it was hard to “hunt” him down? Aren’t you also the one that flew straight at him after seeing a kill feed? I believe you are creating your own problems and casting them on others.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 28, 2023, 05:02:36 PM
Didn’t you openly admit on 200 last night that skyyr kept changing planes so it was hard to “hunt” him down? Aren’t you also the one that flew straight at him after seeing a kill feed? I believe you are creating your own problems and casting them on others.
Flippz, you don't want to get in the middle of this. Changing countries to wing with him and his crew in the horde is unbecoming of you.
And no, that is not what I said. That is just how you interpreted my comment about him switching planes every sortie.
Careful, you'll get fleas.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on November 28, 2023, 06:11:51 PM
According to Vraciu, Palace_Cobra (in game now PalCobra) is his brother... :rolleyes:
Is Mindy his niece then? After all she did claim her "uncle" used to play this game but she would not specify who her uncle is as it is "too controversial", I too wonder if we shall ever see "Mindy" fly again
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on November 28, 2023, 06:42:54 PM
I believe I saw a Mindy playing the other day... and score page shows 2 hrs of flight time.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on November 28, 2023, 06:52:33 PM
Some of these accounts are probably being passed around like a potluck full of sociopaths. Im sure it's just like auto switch the game has built in to it, and not for what has happened in the past. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on November 28, 2023, 06:58:25 PM
Here's an idea: In appreciation for keeping the game afloat, Hitech creates a "Shade Appreciation Day" Christmas Day would perfect for this....anyone with 3 or more shades gets unlimited use of Me262's from noon till midnight, CST. Perk free!! Those dweebs with only 1 or 2 shade accounts are limited to Komets. Just think of it as an Evil Con Mission, only bigger and better...without having to attend a Con.
:rock :salute :airplane: :joystick:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 28, 2023, 07:10:32 PM
Some of these accounts are probably being passed around like a potluck full of sociopaths. Im sure it's just like auto switch the game has built in to it, and not for what has happened in the past. :rolleyes:
lol never thought of that. Very plausible.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on November 28, 2023, 08:30:02 PM
Wow, what a fantastic read. Guess I need to check this forum more again.
Wow, what a fantastic read. Guess I need to check this forum more again. I will say I always thought it was quite bs why skyyr would never post the raw AHF file on any of his fights.
But what do I care… it’s been years since I’ve actually played. Seeing 9 years since the ban of the name is wild…
But we all know he was still playing after the fact.
Maybe you should start flying again :)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on November 28, 2023, 09:55:31 PM
With all due respect, you're not one of the people being harrassed by this individual. I am acting on behalf of the many members of this community that he continues to negatively impact with his activities.
Since I couldn't care less about my score, and can cohesively and accurately share my observations, along with my 20+ year history in having dealt with this person, I think I am uniquely qualified to provide my input, which I believe is welcomed by many. Of course, not by all, which I understand and offer apologies to. :salute
Simon, no disrespect was intended on my part either. I just don't see anything positive coming out of the continuation of this thread. If, as many believe, he starts up his antics again, I believe Hitech will ban him again. Until then, we need to stay civil, while at the same time remaining on guard. I do believe people can and do change, time is the ultimate test. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 29, 2023, 02:15:07 AM
I just don't see anything positive coming out of the continuation of this thread
Nothing positive can come out of not addressing unfair advantage and victimisation either. Where would you like it to be discussed if not in the game-related forum? There's nothing sacred about threads mate. Just talk.
"It is impossible as I state it, and therefore I must in some respect have stated it wrong". <- fictional logician.
There's only two conclusions:-
1 - HiTech is unwilling to enforce fair and equal game play. This* isn't covered in the EULA, have been unable to get a straight answer about it for over a decade of asking, including PMs and the evidence is cumulative. Perhaps he tolerates multiple accounts regardless of their use because of the extra revenue, perhaps he's observed that drama brings more revenue, perhaps he straight up doesn't give a plop what goes on in the arenas at all or how 'honest' player's gameplay must suffer, nor cares that people announce they're leaving over continuous incidents, or maybe there is an element of pay-to-win in AH we just aren't facing. He boss, we not.
2 - HiTech is unable to enforce bans and fair gameplay, he cannot enforce bans even if he wanted to when people move to different IP addresses & change their MAC numbers and payment methods & cannot control what the game is being used for by some. Some games can do it, but it's got away from him. Cannot monitor external comms, does not track who is regularly dot wingmanning who and is technically unable to code any countermeasures nor do something as simple as placing a report banned player option on the clipboard. Said it before ACM is like a fingerprint, good players always know.
People that like this sort of activity will be loving this because they think it represents some kind of power. Power over the playerbase, power over anyone that's ever said anything critical about them, power over the owner of the game... Gangsta :rock
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Meatwad on November 29, 2023, 06:12:41 AM
2 - HiTech is unable to enforce bans and fair gameplay, he cannot enforce bans even if he wanted to when people move to different IP addresses & change their MAC numbers and payment methods & cannot control what the game is being used for by some. Some games can do it, but it's got away from him. Cannot monitor external comms, does not track who is regularly dot wingmanning who and is technically unable to code any countermeasures nor do something as simple as placing a report banned player option on the clipboard. Said it before ACM is like a fingerprint, good players always know.
I can see this happening easy since it is just a 1 man show now and all the rest of the help was let go due to decreasing revenue where they can no longer afford to be kept on the payroll
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on November 29, 2023, 07:20:57 AM
2 - HiTech is unable to enforce bans and fair gameplay, he cannot enforce bans even if he wanted to when people move to different IP addresses & change their MAC numbers and payment methods & cannot control what the game is being used for by some.
I can see this happening easy since it is just a 1 man show now and all the rest of the help was let go due to decreasing revenue where they can no longer afford to be kept on the payroll
IMHO, this is most probably the main reason. Controlling game against misuse requires both physical control with Mark I Eyeball and softwares which, I presume, are neither cheap nor simple. Too much for just one man to handle. I'd be happy to offer helping hand, but my knowledge of game software, programming and coding is bit under nihil. If I was a master of those, I'd be flying unbeatable, invincible JU52, which shoots down and kills everything coming closer than D2.0... :D
And whose are those enjoying the lack of control? Those:
Quote
People that like this sort of activity will be loving this because they think it represents some kind of power. Power over the playerbase, power over anyone that's ever said anything critical about them, power over the owner of the game... Gangsta :rock
Exactly that kind of players started the rundown of my previous flying platform, made me search for an alternative and drove me in here. I hope development does not repeat itself, even there has been some deja vu already :(
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on November 29, 2023, 08:17:36 AM
Nothing positive can come out of not addressing unfair advantage and victimisation either. Where would you like it to be discussed if not in the game-related forum? There's nothing sacred about threads mate. Just talk.
"It is impossible as I state it, and therefore I must in some respect have stated it wrong". <- fictional logician.
There's only two conclusions:-
1 - HiTech is unwilling to enforce fair and equal game play. This* isn't covered in the EULA, have been unable to get a straight answer about it for over a decade of asking, including PMs and the evidence is cumulative. Perhaps he tolerates multiple accounts regardless of their use because of the extra revenue, perhaps he's observed that drama brings more revenue, perhaps he straight up doesn't give a plop what goes on in the arenas at all or how 'honest' player's gameplay must suffer, nor cares that people announce they're leaving over continuous incidents, or maybe there is an element of pay-to-win in AH we just aren't facing. He boss, we not.
I may be wrong but I get the feeling that this is the case based on a few observations and interactions. This is just my opinion on the situation since I have more time to type since at the moment I'm trying to decide which flight sim I'm going to be playing in the future. No need to attack me for my post as I'm just giving my opinion although I know some will feel the need to do so.
1: Personally, I had a game that I gave a "plop" about, I would log in from time to time and see how the game play was going and chat with the player base. I would address issues that players had about the game play and not just listen to a few people that I was buddies with. I wouldn't forget to reset the game at the end of the tours because I would be involved with the game on a day to day basis.
2: The reason I decided to take a break was because I'd had enough with the mods muting me for a comment about an ongoing discussion on 200 that others obviously had not been muted for because the discussion continued after I was muted. I would also get muted for things like: "non-game discussion" on 200. I suspect most people in the game could have been muted for that one at one point or another. To me one of the most interesting parts of the game is the 200 discussion while your climbing out in a plane with a crappy climb rate! (the idea that things are cumulative and that Dale wasn't really concerned about the game came from somebody who said they contacted Dale directly and said that he couldn't find any record of me being muted in the logs)
3: After I deleted my account I noticed that there was a problem with my billing and I was a few months behind on my payment. When I called Dale to pay for the months that wouldn't have been paid due to my deleting the account, he didn't seem concerned that I was canceling my account and I got the feeling that he was bothered that I had called him to pay because he mentioned he was busy playing poker LOL. Guess it was bad timing.
4: Sometimes as a family we play online games like WoW as a family. This is easy to do because you can play up to lvl 20 for free. My kids expressed interest in playing AH3 online as they used to watch me play in the melee arena. The problem with this is there it would require me to pay for 4 accounts for us to all play together. This is not feasible due to the cost and the fact that it would only be a couple times a month that we would all would be able to all play together. I contacted Dale about paying for 2 accounts and the possibility of getting a couple free accounts for the kids play. This discussion ended without a resolution. (it's probably for the better because I'm sure somebody would have accused me of cheating or something seeing the way my kids fly) My son stick stirs like he's beating an egg!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 29, 2023, 08:44:39 AM
However before we all jump to this most favourable conclusion (that's not how it works), Skuzzy only retired in early 2019, pretty sure HTC had its official office back then. If this particular ban predates that..., and I know (with evidence) of cases going back about 16-years.
Further we're all just conjectoring what this ban the OP addresses was about and concluding it's about the unwashed masses being mistreated. All we have been told is that Mr. S was not hacking (which I fully believe). Could simply be that he called HiTech a dinglebarry ubernoob with no more idea about flying than a gooney-bird and that he couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's arse, for all we know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 29, 2023, 08:50:24 AM
Way to make fun of someone with dyslexia. A stand up guy you are.
Well of course I didn’t know that and in no possible way was I poking fun. I know many people have known him for decades but we are still all customers.
He still has spellcheck. He can still take the time to put some more thought into it and review. He had to know the backlash it would create. He could clarify his sentiment given what has taken place in this thread.
Also on a side note, now I have to know who PalaceCobra is??? Earlier in this thread he claimed to “present” and witness for an in game interaction I had with Vraciu (A positive one!) but then several places in this thread he says he no longer plays the game.
Which is it???
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on November 29, 2023, 10:09:55 AM
Well of course I didn’t know that and in no possible way was I poking fun. I know many people have known him for decades but we are still all customers.
He still has spellcheck. He can still take the time to put some more thought into it and review. He had to know the backlash it would create. He could clarify his sentiment given what has taken place in this thread.
Also on a side note, now I have to know who PalaceCobra is??? Earlier in this thread he claimed to “present” and witness for an in game interaction I had with Vraciu (A positive one!) but then several places in this thread he says he no longer plays the game.
Which is it???
Oh he is just acting womanish.
HT himself is the first to make fun of his spelling. Like his "I coad" avatar.
Someone get spikey a tampon.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on November 29, 2023, 10:41:06 AM
I guess I just don't get it.. he's really not that influential to the game for me I admit I've never been a victim of his bullying but there are tools in this game that I can use to counter that nobody but me and me alone could have the power to ruin my game play..
+1 :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Spikes on November 29, 2023, 12:13:49 PM
Also on a side note, now I have to know who PalaceCobra is??? Earlier in this thread he claimed to “present” and witness for an in game interaction I had with Vraciu (A positive one!) but then several places in this thread he says he no longer plays the game.
Which is it???
Yes I noticed that as well. Said he was there for your interaction but days later said he has not played in a long time. The lies continue to pile up.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on November 29, 2023, 12:31:10 PM
People with dyslexia tend to turn that off. Trying to guess the correct spelling of a red-highlighted word seven times in a row - incorrectly - really is the Purple Pim. :old:
Is skyyr really that influential to you guys to your game play?
In general / broader discussion targetting other players is very influential on their gameplay. Not right is it? I myself should not prefer to throw the baby out with the bathwater :banana:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on November 29, 2023, 02:16:09 PM
Is skyyr really that influential to you guys to your game play?
Hello scott66. I hope you are well, sir.
With reference that your (pre-edit) comment that you don't get it, I thought I'd take a moment to try to enlighten you, and some others, on what myself and several others players have to put up with now that Skyyr no longer tries to be ingonito, is as brazen as ever, and has recruited other, similarly-minded "kill=win" types to join in his efforts.
Imagine, if you will, that every time you log on for your all-to-limited moments of leisure, to be immediately harrassed and antagonized by another player, or players. Keep in mind that the aforementioned uses nefarious methods, including cross-country 3rd party comms and multiple accounts, to stalk certain individuals. He will switch sides, or fly across entire countries in order to be able to hunt his obsessions.
It is very obvious to me, since as soon as my presence is announced via the kill or chat log, invariably there is a 400kts+ 190/La7 screaming down towards me, bypassing numerous other legitimate and often more dangerous targets, spraying cannons in my general direction.
Without getting into the various methods by which he can pinpoint which plane I am approximately or even specifically, you might think that I could just move to a different part of the map, or fly something other than an F4U. Perhaps climb over 20k from back field... maybe switch skins, or go GVing. Isn't having to do that that the very essence of "affecting my gameplay"?
Now don't get me wrong. I am all for the fights, and especially enjoy engagements with players that are equal to or better than me. But we are not talking about 1v1, co-alt duels here. We're talking getting vulched in a furball by a plane that you wouldn't expect to attack because it doesn't make situational sense, and to be shot in the face with cannons on every single merge. It makes it near impossible to actually get involved in the day-to-day MA furballs, because you know that the moment that you slow down or engage another plane, your stalker(s) will use that as their opportunity to take their pick.
Of course, once you have been shot down, your next sortie is disadvantaged and you're easy to track down again.
As a result, you cannot go about your normal business of having fun. You constantly have to prepare to engage these same people, and look over your shoulder for the planes that really should not be a threat, to go far out of their way to come after you.
The bottom line is that this person is obsessive, antagonistic, and from what I can surmise, sociopathic. No one wants to have to deal with that in any part of life, and certainly not during the time they make available to themselves for rest and relaxation. Throw in the fact that he is a persistant presence by playing hundreds of hours per month, it can obviously have a significant impact on one's enjoyment of the game.
As I've said before, I understand that sometimes people want revenge, and seeking out certain players for whatever reason is a common part of the game. But there comes a point where it is beyond reasonable, and becomes purely obsessive.
I won't get in to the demeaning people on YouTube, but I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from, and one of the many reasons why I think this player should never have been allowed back in this game.
<S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on November 29, 2023, 03:52:44 PM
You can polish a turd and it is still a turd. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on November 29, 2023, 04:16:39 PM
It is very obvious to me, since as soon as my presence is announced via the kill or chat log, invariably there is a 400kts+ 190/La7 screaming down towards me, bypassing numerous other legitimate and often more dangerous targets, spraying cannons in my general direction.
Isn't there a squad or two of these kinda guys? Two squads come to mind. One that seems to or used to mostly fly ponies and the other one that seems to or used to mostly fly yaks.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vulcan on November 29, 2023, 04:25:15 PM
It is very obvious to me, since as soon as my presence is announced via the kill or chat log, invariably there is a 400kts+ 190/La7 screaming down towards me, bypassing numerous other legitimate and often more dangerous targets, spraying cannons in my general direction.
Heh I had that over the weekend. I traded a few kills with him (admittedly he had a couple more over me), but each time I killed him he would come after me with such obsession others were easily able to pick him off. I think he ended up blathering on 200 about k/d from others comments - but I had him muted. It was funny, the guy has a glass ego. I kind of feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: scott66 on November 29, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
With reference that your (pre-edit) comment that you don't get it, I thought I'd take a moment to try to enlighten you, and some others, on what myself and several others players have to put up with now that Skyyr no longer tries to be ingonito, is as brazen as ever, and has recruited other, similarly-minded "kill=win" types to join in his efforts.
Imagine, if you will, that every time you log on for your all-to-limited moments of leisure, to be immediately harrassed and antagonized by another player, or players. Keep in mind that the aforementioned uses nefarious methods, including cross-country 3rd party comms and multiple accounts, to stalk certain individuals. He will switch sides, or fly across entire countries in order to be able to hunt his obsessions.
It is very obvious to me, since as soon as my presence is announced via the kill or chat log, invariably there is a 400kts+ 190/La7 screaming down towards me, bypassing numerous other legitimate and often more dangerous targets, spraying cannons in my general direction.
Without getting into the various methods by which he can pinpoint which plane I am approximately or even specifically, you might think that I could just move to a different part of the map, or fly something other than an F4U. Perhaps climb over 20k from back field... maybe switch skins, or go GVing. Isn't having to do that that the very essence of "affecting my gameplay"?
Now don't get me wrong. I am all for the fights, and especially enjoy engagements with players that are equal to or better than me. But we are not talking about 1v1, co-alt duels here. We're talking getting vulched in a furball by a plane that you wouldn't expect to attack because it doesn't make situational sense, and to be shot in the face with cannons on every single merge. It makes it near impossible to actually get involved in the day-to-day MA furballs, because you know that the moment that you slow down or engage another plane, your stalker(s) will use that as their opportunity to take their pick.
Of course, once you have been shot down, your next sortie is disadvantaged and you're easy to track down again.
As a result, you cannot go about your normal business of having fun. You constantly have to prepare to engage these same people, and look over your shoulder for the planes that really should not be a threat, to go far out of their way to come after you.
The bottom line is that this person is obsessive, antagonistic, and from what I can surmise, sociopathic. No one wants to have to deal with that in any part of life, and certainly not during the time they make available to themselves for rest and relaxation. Throw in the fact that he is a persistant presence by playing hundreds of hours per month, it can obviously have a significant impact on one's enjoyment of the game.
As I've said before, I understand that sometimes people want revenge, and seeking out certain players for whatever reason is a common part of the game. But there comes a point where it is beyond reasonable, and becomes purely obsessive.
I won't get in to the demeaning people on YouTube, but I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from, and one of the many reasons why I think this player should never have been allowed back in this game.
<S>
howdy Simon..I truly appreciate you breaking it down for me I would also like to apologize for any misunderstanding I'm not one of his cheerleaders nor do I particularly care for the way he talks about the players he fights but it's his channel. I came to this game in Feb 03 and BBS later on and just never seen 1 Individual affect so many players before.. forgive my ignorance sir <S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on November 29, 2023, 05:25:23 PM
Scott he is a mental case and a dick on top of it all. If there is one person he loves more than Simon, it's me.
I kind of like it, but I can see how it might annoy some people.. well.. anyone he is targeting.
He is awesome.. just ask him.
It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't run every time you had his 6 and then reverse when you decide not to chase him.
If you don't believe how good skyyr is, ask vraciu. Or palace cobra.. Orr ertus. While it's fun for awhile, it gets tiring. I'm sure you've seen it on ch200.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: RELIC on November 29, 2023, 05:39:04 PM
I just want to point out I am a big fan of scotch. I prefer Dalmore but the Mac double casks are awesome too. Carry on.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: scott66 on November 29, 2023, 05:48:18 PM
Scott he is a mental case and a dick on top of it all. If there is one person he loves more than Simon, it's me.
I kind of like it, but I can see how it might annoy some people.. well.. anyone he is targeting.
He is awesome.. just ask him.
It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't run every time you had his 6 and then reverse when you decide not to chase him.
If you don't believe how good skyyr is, ask vraciu. Or palace cobra.. Orr ertus. While it's fun for awhile, it gets tiring. I'm sure you've seen it on ch200.
I've seen it lol but we all have been toxic at some time just to be clear on my feelings players like you and violator AKAK Trog Dolby shuffy and more.. are my GOATS of this game when it comes to flying
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: flippz on November 29, 2023, 05:49:07 PM
Simon here are few of the engagements showing you clearly hording and coming straight at the boogey man. I think you are becoming a professional victim. What you are complaining about happens all day in here to multiple multiple people. We are a very small game community and its not hard to know who you are fighting and even single some one out. Every one has that one or two players they want to beat or maybe has a grudge (not in a bad way) that they want to shoot down. Just the other night i watched a spit 16 in a fight turn and immediately knew who it was. I think maybe your ego and pride is hurt more than anything.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 29, 2023, 06:01:36 PM
Flippz, you've drunk the Kook Aid. I implore you to rethink becoming his spokesperson.
This is typical Skyyr, selectively publishing snips that support his supposed innocence.
Did you stop to think why he was suddenly in the sector in which I was flying? Despite spending the numerous preceding hours elsewhere? Do you think that I initiated this or these engagements with an awareness of who it was?
My statements are verifiably true, and the kind of thing that he's been doing for years, in front of everyone. You are a fool if you think otherwise.
I'm guessing the sorties where I shot him down, or where he and his gang clearly targeted me over and over again, aren't on YT?
This is precisely the kind of crap that makes him a pariah, and will end up sucking you down the same sewer. Open your eyes before you turn into another Vraciu.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on November 29, 2023, 07:01:17 PM
Now that I've actually watched the films, I will elaborate on the circumstances of each, with the hope that you will reconsider buying what he's selling.
I vaguely remember this sortie, which was a week or two ago, but not the details of what lead to this engagement, or if I was aware of who I was attacking. Just because there are more cons in the area does not make it a 2v1. I don't see the others engaging. It was a good shot though, I should have won that fight.
Conveniently edited to exclude the fact that Skyyr was in an entirely different sector (maybe a different country..?) until I appeared in the log. Of course, and as usual, he switched over to the sector that he knew I was in, climbed to 15k and waited for an F4U to arrive.
I'm surprised that you volunteered this one. This meeting was after Skyyr, judge and vraciu, plus some hangers-on, spent the previous several HOURS hunting me, with a massive numbers advantage. Of course I upped a CHog after getting shot in the face by the horde all night. By the way, both Judge and Skyyr DID have a big altitude advantage over me. The film is, once again, conveniently edited not to show their diving from 20k to meet me (the only con in the sector).
Let's also recall that Judge and yourself were Knights, right along side of me during my first sortie, fighting Rooks. I noticed Ertus and PalCobra were also in the fray, but Skyyr was not showing up in the chat or kill logs.
Within 10-20 minutes of my arrival, Skyyr (Bish) did showed up, having flown 4 sectors, over Rooks, to dive past multiple Knight and Rook cons, to shoot at me. Hmm.... how did he know? Duh.
Immediately thereafter you and your squad, plus Skyyr, all joined Rooks so you could continue hunting me. Did I log off? Did I hide? No, I kept upping and fighting despite your 10:1 advantage and constant, childish and often insane taunts.
Flipps, I'm not trying to lump you in with skyyr/judge/vraciu. I'm trying not to, in fact, as I know you're more about the fight than the kill. If you keep it up though, you will end up getting painted with the same brush as your new squadmates, and all that might entail.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on November 29, 2023, 07:23:14 PM
Simon, if they switched countries to hunt you, just switch to whatever country they are in ;) they outta be pretty pissed for 6h :)
Me? A Bish or Rook? Hold your tongue!
I've always been Knight, and I wouldn't want to miss my squaddies or comms-bros.
Also this isn't only about me. Sure I could hide, fly a faster plane or bigger guns, or a myriad of other adjustments. I just won't allow this person to force me to do something I'd rather not.
Hope you're feeling better, Fuze <S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: RichardDarkwood on November 30, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
How's that pursuit of #1 going? You guaranteed you'd make #1 this tour (using the P-51, no less).
"Violator was okay back in the day I guess but Skyyr is on another level. Violator can't accept this fact and refuses to do anything but make excuses for his lopsided losses. Report to moderator" - Palace Cobra
Hey Vraciu, PC, Skyyr, Ertus, et al:
In my greatest Roman Reigns impression, and in honor of my birthday 🎂
I mean you did ask him how that pursuit of #1 was going... He informed you. With the bomber gunners in this game and their pinpoint accuracy I find it harder to intercept bombers rather than fighters at least they can't shoot me when im behind them!
A kill is a kill
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 01, 2023, 08:12:30 PM
Let's see you do it then big boy. Infact half my kills were fighters which is pretty darn good. I'll admit this wasn't even my best as I had a few runs where the fight died and left me with low K/H and K/S there at the end.
Strange how you would know about me calling out on range? Where you on last night? Or let me guess, TheJudge or Silent probably relayed to skyyr over discord my vox and location since they were both on my team and Skyyr on the other. I mean based on history that's likely. Especially since Skyyr wasted all his E on me, gave up his SA, and got picked, it's almost like he knew it was me...
I mean you did ask him how that pursuit of #1 was going... He informed you. With the bomber gunners in this game and their pinpoint accuracy I find it harder to intercept bombers rather than fighters at least they can't shoot me when im behind them!
A kill is a kill
Very good point, especially when you only have 6 50 cals. A few sorties I'd make multiple passes and put 100s of rounds and not get the kill, then a few of them oiled me and I'd have to RTB. It's so much easier with cannons or those 8 50 cals in the P47. Palace doesn't really know what he's talking about and doesn't have the #s to show it either....
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 01, 2023, 09:45:20 PM
Buff slaying in a P-51D is the easiest thing in here, actually.
How did Stoner do? Those are your true stats.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on December 01, 2023, 09:54:02 PM
Buff slaying in a P-51D is the easiest thing in here, actually.
How did Stoner do? Those are your true stats.
Weird. Vraciu was on 200 a couple days ago yappin about how good he was at killing buffs in a p51. When people said they preferred the jug to do it, it turned into a ch200 spam fest of how he was the best buff killer In a p51....
"Sawing them in half with high speed passes" was the exact phrase used.
Then bomber pilots chimed in and mentioned the better gun package and the durability of the jug.. and he shut up. Until later... whe skyyr got a kill and he needed to hold his donut.
Kind of what palace cobra is conveying on this bulletin board.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 01, 2023, 09:57:57 PM
You think killing buffs in a Mustang is hard?
I thought you were supposed to be some kind of bada.. :rofl
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: ULPink on December 02, 2023, 01:19:36 AM
Now that I've actually watched the films, I will elaborate on the circumstances of each, with the hope that you will reconsider buying what he's selling.
I vaguely remember this sortie, which was a week or two ago, but not the details of what lead to this engagement, or if I was aware of who I was attacking. Just because there are more cons in the area does not make it a 2v1. I don't see the others engaging. It was a good shot though, I should have won that fight.
Conveniently edited to exclude the fact that Skyyr was in an entirely different sector (maybe a different country..?) until I appeared in the log. Of course, and as usual, he switched over to the sector that he knew I was in, climbed to 15k and waited for an F4U to arrive.
I'm surprised that you volunteered this one. This meeting was after Skyyr, judge and vraciu, plus some hangers-on, spent the previous several HOURS hunting me, with a massive numbers advantage. Of course I upped a CHog after getting shot in the face by the horde all night. By the way, both Judge and Skyyr DID have a big altitude advantage over me. The film is, once again, conveniently edited not to show their diving from 20k to meet me (the only con in the sector).
Let's also recall that Judge and yourself were Knights, right along side of me during my first sortie, fighting Rooks. I noticed Ertus and PalCobra were also in the fray, but Skyyr was not showing up in the chat or kill logs.
Within 10-20 minutes of my arrival, Skyyr (Bish) did showed up, having flown 4 sectors, over Rooks, to dive past multiple Knight and Rook cons, to shoot at me. Hmm.... how did he know? Duh.
Immediately thereafter you and your squad, plus Skyyr, all joined Rooks so you could continue hunting me. Did I log off? Did I hide? No, I kept upping and fighting despite your 10:1 advantage and constant, childish and often insane taunts.
Flipps, I'm not trying to lump you in with skyyr/judge/vraciu. I'm trying not to, in fact, as I know you're more about the fight than the kill. If you keep it up though, you will end up getting painted with the same brush as your new squadmates, and all that might entail. [/quote
Wow, I am so happy Skyyr is back. I could learn a lot from him. Simon, I think you should not be such a bad sport.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 02, 2023, 01:24:44 AM
Well hello to you too! That's the result of the duel itself (win/lose). All of the numbers below are wins/losses. And my signature has had that for 9 years. You just now noticed that?
Fabricated score cards aside. Let's ask yourself why you even feel the need to have a false and inflammatory sig on your forum account.
I also believe in second (15th?) chances, so you get the benefit of the doubt. Don't mock HiTech and everyone else who might give you a chance to be a better man from the start with your egotistical shenanigans. Start fresh, prove yourself a decent member of the community.
There is a whole world of puerile idiots out there for you to antagonise. This tiny microcosm is full of like minded individuals who love the escape of flying cartoon warbirds. Just like you. Everyone here is on your team if you let them be. How about you put your big boy pants on and try not to bite the hand that feeds.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 02, 2023, 08:53:40 AM
Poor Simon. Trying so desperately to be relevant and failing miserably.
Simon - no good. Violator - no good. Batfink - no good. Skyyr - GOAT.
Okaaay! I think that's about cleared everything up now and you can have a rest in this advent period where we extend the (possibly somewhat fanciful) notion of peace and goodwill to all men*.
We don't you resubscribe and join us in looking forward to the possible sighting of Santa flying his sleigh around the MA dropping presents. I've only seen it once myself, being one of those unfashionable European Timezone-dwellers, as a passenger in my friend Pervert's Dora but it was a sight to behold. I do hope Dale can make it and if then not find a substitute (I volunteer!) - it's for the children really (we tell ourselves).
But generally an all round lightening up, Francis would probably be ideal. It's just a daft game after all, despite how much some align their egos behind it. Or am I completely mixing things up as usual and the ego is the main thing and the game just an irrlevant outlet for that?
*Historic cultural placeholder encompassing all people, naturally
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 02, 2023, 11:31:30 AM
Congrats, Vio! I hope it was an enjoyable endeavor.
Not surprised it sent vraciu/palace_cobra into a tizzy... dude's obsessed with people's scores.
:salute
Thanks fellas! Was a great day. Wife got me a wireless chef IO thermometer which will be great for my grilling! The #1 was just some added sugar on top to poke some fun :D I knew PC/Vraciu wouldn't be able to handle it, which is what I was hoping for. The 35 k/D was my best EOM K/D also so that was nice for me. :airplane: :joystick:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 02, 2023, 11:56:07 AM
Ah. That's what GOAT means.
I thought the all the best pile-its were in the BTs and CTs.
I heard they were going to have a squad duel but decided it would take too long to determine a winner because of the way they "fight". :bolt:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 02, 2023, 01:33:46 PM
"Violator was okay back in the day I guess but Skyyr is on another level. Violator can't accept this fact and refuses to do anything but make excuses for his lopsided losses. Report to moderator" - Palace Cobra
Hey Vraciu, PC, Skyyr, Ertus, et al:
In my greatest Roman Reigns impression, and in honor of my birthday 🎂
ACKNOWLEDGE ME! :D :old: OLD? lol I alrady teld ya Hippy birthday! "31? Whippersnapper" followed by Vox in hysterical/overlapping caos...laughter :rofl Bless Your Heart...My Child!!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 03, 2023, 05:08:22 AM
I prefer dry-to-the-point-of-sarcasm, surrealisstic, misdirection-based humour myself, but I am from a strange village.
Bit weird you need to be told this buddy but idolising one individual to this extent and using that person's 'achievements' as a lever to squeeze those you (irrationally as far as I can see) don't like is a bit disturbingly creepy. You basically forward the domination-is-the-only-thing-that-counts theme but you don't do it yourself. Crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of the women is something people with something missing in the noodle-sack worship.
The inferrence being pressed: that the only worthy endeavour is winning at all costs conflicts directly with the evidence that a lot of AH players are just enjoying their hobby or pursuing their own goals such as flying with squadmates collaboratively, challenging themselves with their own set of goals or simply playing Air Quake. Sure there's always people diametrically opposed to you and fuedin' is an all-time favourite of the homo sapiens for sure. There are limits.
Skyyr is presently the closest thing Aces High has got to a professional fighter-plane player in both hours and activities. I really enjoy fighting him as it's good to have opponents who push you and make you disassemble your whole technique. Luckily for me my ego-gland seems to be considerably smaller than my ooh-ooh-new-stuff-to-learn gland. Seperating the personality, motivation, technical-knowledge, strategy and execution gives you a persepctive you seem to lack.
We are. We are all doing our own thing. Perhaps you'd care to also fly and broaden your narrow groove of trolling others with someone else's stick, so-to-speak. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on December 03, 2023, 06:02:39 AM
trolling others with someone else's stick, so-to-speak.
He knows it, we knows it, yet we go around and around.. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on December 03, 2023, 08:03:27 AM
Skyrr has been a good player. Doesn’t puke all over 200 nor the bbs like some crying he’s back, he’s been a lot less trouble than those who obsess with destroying others here. The clan of former players are a lot more trouble than Skyrr is now. I’ll take him over them any day. And he’s a good stick.
This crybaby soap opera stuff has gotten very old. Who’s the next target of people who don’t even play?
Obviously, someone’s word is about as dependable as a wet book of matches.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 09:01:51 AM
I have a question for Skyyr and other GOATs. Why does it seem to me that the best pilots insist on flying the best planes? Wouldn't it be more challenging/satisfying to get kills in a non-uber plane if you're that good?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 03, 2023, 09:44:03 AM
I have a question for Skyyr and other GOATs. Why does it seem to me that the best pilots insist on flying the best planes? Wouldn't it be more challenging/satisfying to get kills in a non-uber plane if you're that good?
Game should limit this...
Force those us with decades of experience or high scores to stay in mid/early war planes
I'd be all for it but my guess is many would whine like little girls..
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on December 03, 2023, 11:02:26 AM
Force those us with decades of experience or high scores to stay in mid/early war planes
I'd be all for it but my guess is many would whine like little girls..
Eagler
The running from engagements is already bad enough.. having newbies in faster planes just taking pop shots at vets in slower planes will just mold them into poor form.
I used to fly 38 exclusively, but typically to compete in the MA you need speed simply so people can't run from you.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on December 03, 2023, 11:10:58 AM
The running from engagements is already bad enough.. having newbies in faster planes just taking pop shots at vets in slower planes will just mold them into poor form.
I used to fly 38 exclusively, but typically to compete in the MA you need speed simply so people can't run from you.
Yep. I think limiting what planes people can fly will cause people to quit playing. There's already people that log off when ENY gets up because they won't switch countries.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 12:16:03 PM
I used to fly 38 exclusively, but typically to compete in the MA you need speed simply so people can't run from you.
38 is a magical plane or at least the elevator is as I recall. I recall many times shooting the elevator off of a 38 and it continued to fight as if it wasn't damaged.
I hear ya. I remember switching to the d9 at times to run down the pickin ponies. I found it interesting how unskilled most of the running ponies were once you caught them. Seems they would be better off fighting and getting better then to just rely on running. Seems boring to me.
If there were many targets to be had I'd always go for the highest pony cause I knew he'd try to pick me as soon as I engaged another plane.
They part about the ENY is true too. It always amazed me how much people were dependent on low ENY planes to "have fun" I used to do pretty well in the mossie, g14, la5 and f4u1 and all those are 25-30 eny planes.
Personally I think that ENY should be dynamic as to get more hanger queens in the air.
If there are 20 ponies in the air then the eny on it should go down and down as more and more take to the air.
If you dust off of F4F or a P40 or something that isn't flown much and are the only one in the air I think you it should be 40 ENY for example and maybe get a multiplier like the side switchers.
Speaking of side switchers. It doesn't seem to help much when 2 countries gang one but I guess that's what happens when you have 3 countries.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: HL117 on December 03, 2023, 12:50:15 PM
He is a good stick, more of whats needed here...so what can a person actually get banned for anyway.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nopoop on December 03, 2023, 01:55:59 PM
All this talk. Who's this, who's that.... One word...Drex
Class act. His flying didn't need "talk"
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on December 03, 2023, 02:14:57 PM
Levi took the heart and soul out of a great squad....
And he could fly.. meh..
Didn't know that. You hear anything from mittens? Furby?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: xanax on December 03, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
It's good to see some things never change and kinda sad that some things never change. Makes for some good entertainment though. Good to see some old faces in this thread still getting after it. Almost 30 years of reading threads just like this one with the only difference being the strength of my readers and shades.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 03, 2023, 06:15:00 PM
The thing I don't get is how some of these guys don't lose their skills over time.
I was at my best in AW days and have gone down hill as I've gotten older. My gunnery has completely gone to crap and my timing is off too.
Only thing that is the same is I'm usually aggressive to the point of stupid! That worked out better when I had skills. Lolz
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nopoop on December 03, 2023, 06:22:15 PM
At one time a long time ago I was medelocre....
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on December 04, 2023, 09:31:35 AM
In all reality, if you can’t stand skyyr killing you; you need to get better with your situational awareness and to get better at defensive and offensive flying. Does it suck getting shot down? Yup. Does it suck when you are outnumbered and getting beaten over and over sometimes? Yup. I had no issue playing against skyyr and his crew. Forced me to adapt to a new play style and I had fun with it.
It’s a game people.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LNG15 on December 04, 2023, 09:43:58 AM
In all reality, if you can’t stand skyyr killing you; you need to get better with your situational awareness and to get better at defensive and offensive flying. Does it suck getting shot down? Yup. Does it suck when you are outnumbered and getting beaten over and over sometimes? Yup. I had no issue playing against skyyr and his crew. Forced me to adapt to a new play style and I had fun with it.
It’s a game people.
This right here! Thank you! I personally just think of skyrr as another player straight up, and did have a video shooting him down as my first kill of a sortie in a MK 9 Spitfire when he stalled himself out. LA-7 has always been about low alt speed and maneuvering plus the very close range guns. 190D-9 is always about speed and it's energy retention. Play your aircraft of choice against their weakness. LA-7 has horrible compression at over 460. Keep the speed up and he will have a hard time keeping the nose down, if he reaches the breaking point and if he pulls, there goes his wings. I make mistakes time to time, but try to learn from the mistakes and always play the replay to see what was done wrong. Just my .02 into this.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on December 04, 2023, 10:03:36 AM
38 is a magical plane or at least the elevator is as I recall. I recall many times shooting the elevator off of a 38 and it continued to fight as if it wasn't damaged.
I hear ya. I remember switching to the d9 at times to run down the pickin ponies. I found it interesting how unskilled most of the running ponies were once you caught them. Seems they would be better off fighting and getting better then to just rely on running. Seems boring to me.
If there were many targets to be had I'd always go for the highest pony cause I knew he'd try to pick me as soon as I engaged another plane.
They part about the ENY is true too. It always amazed me how much people were dependent on low ENY planes to "have fun" I used to do pretty well in the mossie, g14, la5 and f4u1 and all those are 25-30 eny planes.
Personally I think that ENY should be dynamic as to get more hanger queens in the air.
If there are 20 ponies in the air then the eny on it should go down and down as more and more take to the air.
If you dust off of F4F or a P40 or something that isn't flown much and are the only one in the air I think you it should be 40 ENY for example and maybe get a multiplier like the side switchers.
Speaking of side switchers. It doesn't seem to help much when 2 countries gang one but I guess that's what happens when you have 3 countries.
If you shoot one ele off a 38, it can still turn, but it can't turn hard. You need to clear the fight at that point.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on December 04, 2023, 03:00:26 PM
I think everyone should just fly La7s, 190Ds, yak3s, and Spit16s. Who needs any other planes?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 04, 2023, 03:32:16 PM
LA-7 has horrible compression at over 460. Keep the speed up and he will have a hard time keeping the nose down, if he reaches the breaking point and if he pulls, there goes his wings.
So when we're below him, in slower planes, we should simply accelerate to 460 and pull 9G and he'll simply break his wings off. It's a good job this strategy isn't mentioned in Shaw otherwise Skyyr might find out about it and refer to the "How to avoid pulling your own wings off" section in the appendix. Genius :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: ZE on December 05, 2023, 06:58:26 AM
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 05, 2023, 07:55:28 AM
I was hoping he would have made an appearance in MNM but I don't think he'd be that superior there given the setup
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: HollyWood750 on December 05, 2023, 03:59:22 PM
He'd still get his kills there, Eagler... but probably not as many as you! lol :joystick:
IRL stuff has kept me out of there for a while now. I miss that weekly fix!
:salute
HlyWd
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 06, 2023, 12:46:14 AM
Well looks like this one is finally gassed out. Great fuss though, felt like the olden days, :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 06, 2023, 03:58:34 PM
One good trolly post will get it all going again :)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TheBug on December 06, 2023, 05:54:46 PM
Maybe someday the majority of people will again realize it is the people that make this game and consider that when questioning its contents or conducting themselves. And in saying that it takes all kinds to make it fun. For now it exists in my memories. :cheers:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 06, 2023, 06:37:13 PM
Just because the thread took a pause doesn't mean the drama did. The MA is filled with 20k 190s, every one of which will come at you spraying cannons at 500kts. Their SA is impeccable, so don't bother trying to get co-alt, because they'll just nope-out to their higher buddies.
Pretty much akin to dealing with the BT/Yak gaggle, with the notable exception of the non-stop spray-HO'ing, and the ridiculous lag-warps of skyyr's spastic junior protege in particular. It's hard enough to dodge 3 or 4 190s diving in at you with guns blazing, but when one of them can land hits from a 45-degree angle, and wins every collision due to his lag-delay, it gets to the point where you might as well just up a cannon-bird and join in the Air Quake kiddie-fest.
I will never understand why players with all the advantage would rather just run into you than risk losing a turn-fight. They will literally fly their plane directly into you, spraying, even when they have the numbers, speed and altitude advantage.
I guess it's a score thing. They'll fly in attack mode to ho/ram, or when competent adversaries are present, then on special occasions, switch to fighter mode and up a 262 so they can protect their valuable score.
Honestly, what a collection of dweebry. It would be a little easier to take if there were still the occasional dogfighter playing, but they're almost all gone since the gamer-bro horde has taken over. Other than TheStig, I'm hard pressed to name a single rook or bish that cares more about the fight than the result.
In all my years, I have never seen the MA in such a pathetic state.
Edit: I have to add Cheroke6, JimRussl, and Silent (when his squaddies aren't around) to the guys that will fight. <S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 06, 2023, 08:27:13 PM
Someone broke Simon. He's complaining about his own tactics. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 12:37:35 AM
/cough
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 07, 2023, 05:11:58 AM
Please provide proof to back this (clearly false) statement.
Ah yes Vraciu, hold on mate.... let me just dig out my really important computer game stuff from 15 years ago hard drive and I'll be right back with you.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on December 07, 2023, 09:15:11 AM
I think a rolling plane set that would be the best thing that happens to this game/sim.
CAV
I still firmly believe limiting what planes can be flown will cause more people to log off than anything, further reducing the numbers. There are too many players that already log when ENY gets up on one side instead of switching sides or flying more challenging planes. And there's a reason the EW and MW arenas were not as populated as the LW arenas.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 07, 2023, 09:57:42 AM
No maps should limit plane sets. All that would do is further reduce the amount of people in the arena.
How? Why? They can't fly anything but d9s?
It would be a great boost to what is becoming a stale game imo
Not saying throw in a ww1 plane map as I am sure that would get the whining and crying to unacceptable levels..though I would appreciate that change as well
It stinks and is boring having to fly the k4 the majority of the time in ma just so you don't die every sortie..
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 07, 2023, 10:00:03 AM
I still firmly believe limiting what planes can be flown will cause more people to log off than anything, further reducing the numbers. There are too many players that already log when ENY gets up on one side instead of switching sides or flying more challenging planes. And there's a reason the EW and MW arenas were not as populated as the LW arenas.
Yes it's because the majority don't even try to dogfight anymore..they boom and zoom and run to ack or their pals..
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on December 07, 2023, 10:06:26 AM
Yes it's because the majority don't even try to dogfight anymore..they boom and zoom and run to ack or their pals..
Plus, the if those that consistently fly spit 16s, la7s, yak 3s, etc. wanted to get better, they would have done it by now. Of course, there are exceptions, but some players just jump in what's easy and go.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 07, 2023, 10:23:26 AM
Yes it's because the majority don't even try to dogfight anymore..they boom and zoom and run to ack or their pals..
The MA has been trending this way for some years now, but there was always a handful of players around to provide the exception. Those rare, actual dogfights were the secret sauce that kept this game fun for a lot of us, and made the hours of tedium worth it. Especially in the days of the DA, KOTH and duelling tournaments.
What has changed is that handful of players have all but disappeared.
The only choice that's left is to join them. Whether that's abandoning the game or playing uber-cannon HO & run is a decision each player has to make.
I choose, for now, to keep calling it out in hopes that a mind or two might change their perspective.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 07, 2023, 11:10:30 AM
I think a rolling plane set that would be the best thing that happens to this game/sim.
CAV
I agree with this. For historical reason and respect for veterans of FAF, I'd like to fly with B-239 and 109G2 & G6, but it's pretty hopeless for certain reasons. I presume I've never enjoyed dogfight as much as in B-239, when opponent has similar (= low...) skills and kite. Once killed even Ki-84 after long twisting in low alt. Nowadays more in GVs, Navy guns, bombers (to be 1-pinged even by t-34s) or in a sim with era restricted arenas.
Plus, the if those that consistently fly spit 16s, la7s, yak 3s, etc. wanted to get better, they would have done it by now. Of course, there are exceptions, but some players just jump in what's easy and go.
IMO, those überkitealtpingers cannot take defeat. It's a question of ego; weak one can't confess they are not as brilliant aces as they claim in forum.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nopoop on December 07, 2023, 11:25:57 AM
Rolling plane set would kill the game. Period, done, over with, kaput...
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CAV on December 07, 2023, 11:31:02 AM
On top of rolling plane sets, I would also support, returning the radar back to something closer to historically correct, and putting the pilot back in the situational awareness business. I think the AAA is way over modeled for the number of players we currently have. I would fix the 5-in guns and the Flak 88 back to historical standards. I think we need to take a hard look at what players are doing with the buffs... low level flying "DeathStar gunships" isn't helping the game.
If a player from World War II online or IL-2 came over to check out Aces High and saw the Death Star gunships around here, They'd be running back to their respective games.... going you won't believe what those dweebs are doing over in Aces High.
CAV
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on December 07, 2023, 11:40:06 AM
Those rare, actual dogfights were the secret sauce that kept this game fun for a lot of us, and made the hours of tedium worth it.
Presently sitting on an already-editted video release directly about this. I believe this and try to be that guy but I've long since abandoned the idea you can convince the Air Quake faction to try. I don't think it's simply experience or ego or the irreversible junction in the road they took, some are just predisposed to 'score' and results to the point all else is secondary. Lose-aversion is a real thing for some. The biggest menace of the D-9 particularly is the dictating of the fight it affords.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 07, 2023, 12:04:58 PM
I guess there isn't a way to setup both and see what are the numbers in them...
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Oldman731 on December 07, 2023, 12:14:27 PM
I guess there isn't a way to setup both and see what are the numbers in them...
For years we had what amounted to a rolling plane set in the AvA. The love-for-one-plane-only people simply skipped the arena when their plane wasn't available. I think this is probably why a rolling plane set would be a problem in the MA - there are quite a few of those people.
As an aside: We had one ambitious player who figured out how to compress all of the WWII ETO into a one-month rolling plane set, starting basically with Battle of Britain and ending with the 1945 monsters. It was quite interesting. For me, the most remarkable thing was seeing what a lengthy period featured only the Spit V vs 109F (with Hurri and 110, too, of course).
- oldman
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on December 07, 2023, 01:02:15 PM
I loved the AvA (CT) for this reason - it allowed exploring all the planes against their competitive matchups. That, plus the varied terrains and to a lesser extent maybe the dar settings being tweaked now and then, but even when they were it was still a learning experience.
For years we had what amounted to a rolling plane set in the AvA. The love-for-one-plane-only people simply skipped the arena when their plane wasn't available. I think this is probably why a rolling plane set would be a problem in the MA - there are quite a few of those people.
As an aside: We had one ambitious player who figured out how to compress all of the WWII ETO into a one-month rolling plane set, starting basically with Battle of Britain and ending with the 1945 monsters. It was quite interesting. For me, the most remarkable thing was seeing what a lengthy period featured only the Spit V vs 109F (with Hurri and 110, too, of course).
- oldman
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 01:13:42 PM
I was running a player arena for a while that was an island with 3 bases on it and was experimenting with different plane sets but nobody used it so I shut it down. Maybe if you build it they won't come.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Wolf on December 07, 2023, 02:14:48 PM
In my opinion, limited and rolling planesets dont work. There is always a fastest plane oe a plane with bigger guns. Just because you change the planes doesnt change the player behavior.
It seems to me the complaints here are revolving around the player(s) in question using actual wwii tactics. If you read any account of air combat during wwii, it is quite similar to the complaints presented here. 20k planes with great SA, not slowing down, etc. - thats textbook luftwaffe and late war US fighter tactics.
Ive been playing dcs and il2 and theyre all exactly as complained about here. I dont see a problem. Shooting during merges is easily avoided. Also maneuevers arent nullified because someone shoots at you. If you cant dodge a shot or maneuever from a disadvantage, then thats a testament to your own lack of ability or planning. It took me forever to get used to this when i was new, now its second nature.
My point is that no one controls other players. What ive always loved about air combat games is that there is a counter to almost everything. If you think someone else is affecting your gameplay in a combat flight sim, look in a mirror to fimd the culprit.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CAV on December 07, 2023, 02:18:52 PM
I always believed it would be fun to do something similar to WW2OL does and have a campaign intermission. Where The main arena is shut down for 3 days, The axis/allies arena becomes the main arena. Run some set-piece battles.... Three days at the Battle of Britain, Battles along the English Channel 41-42, North Africa, Italy, Eastern Front, Pacific Theater stuff you know Coral Sea, Midway, Battle of Leyte Gulf, some hypothetical battles even.
AVA crew had some great stuff happen back in the day. It would be cool if a lot of that had been saved.
CAV
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 02:27:08 PM
Back when I was flying it seemed that half the merges were ho shots and I got tired of dodging them so I started flying the mossie and if I saw somebody was setting up for a ho shot I wouldn't dodge them. I'd shoot them. I got some real satisfaction from blasting those hoes!
The thing about comparing this to real life scenarios in melee doesn't work for me because I see it as a game and I try to keep it fun. If I saw 2 friendlies vs 1 enemy I would stay out unless somebody was calling for help to make it more sporting. The other thing that was annoying is you're stallfighting and are slowly getting the advantage when suddenly without warning a friendly pony going 600 clears your 12 and denies the kill that you worked so hard for. He then extends a sector and leaves you on your own vs any other enemy that may show up now that you're low and slow. I don't find that to be sporting or fun.
FSO is completely different and I think that WW2 tactics are the only way to try to survive in there. I really do miss the massive FSO of the good ole days.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fd ski on December 07, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
as much as i love idea of rolling plane set, it was tried in practice in WB and it did kill the game. First 2 weeks of the month when early war was being played - there was nobody in the arena.
I would recommend different approach - make a map that is divided in 3 separate sections, with 100000ft mountains between them to keep "transfers" out. Early war planes in one section, mid second late last. Put some strategic targets in each, so that if you want to whack radar factory, you just have to pick up He 111 ;)
Not sure if that would work, but maybe worth a try ?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 07, 2023, 04:29:10 PM
Real shame more don't try MNM and see how much fun a limited planeset can be
Thanks Jaeger1!
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on December 07, 2023, 04:53:09 PM
Real shame more don't try MNM and see how much fun a limited planeset can be
Thanks Jaeger1!
Eagler
Agreed.. it is fun.
The MA is the MA though, and forcing people into something they don't care for would probably kill this game.
I think you'd get further by doing monthly incentives for kills or achievements for those hangar queens on a monthly basis.
I'd donate money per month to support whatever the prize was for something like this.
If a couple dozen people threw some change in a pot and the reward was right, it might be enough to encourage SOME CHANGE, without forcing it down peoples throats.
That requires consistency with MA MOTD's and some work on the backend that someone would have to pony up and do. Unlikely.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 05:08:47 PM
I'm tempted to put the furball island back up with a limited plane set but I doubt anybody would use it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LilMak on December 07, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
Should be free to play with early rides. Pay for perks to get later planes or pony up the $15 for full access like it is now.
The more I’ve read this thread, the more I wonder why HT even posted it. If Skyyr really changed his stripes and was going to be a good boi, why bother giving him the name back and telling any of us? Just let him fly under a pseudonym and let it go. As far as I can tell, ego is what got him (Skyyr) banned in the first place. If he’s really changed why does he need to be Skyyr?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 07, 2023, 07:19:56 PM
Stop with the logic LilMak. We'll have none of that here...
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: xanax on December 07, 2023, 09:06:56 PM
Should be free to play with early rides. Pay for perks to get later planes or pony up the $15 for full access like it is now.
Man, what a great idea to get an infusion of new blood. By what I've been reading, it's pretty sparse in the MA these days. Back in AW days at AOL, a positive effect occurred with the half-time or semi-realistic arenas. They got be packed to the gills with folks taking advantage of the all-you-eat pricing. Eventually a bunch of them trickled over to the full-realism arenas looking for a new challenge and the hardened old-timers in FR had fresh dweeb blood to consume and splatter while the dweebs matriculated to un-dweeb status. Good times were had.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 08, 2023, 12:59:55 AM
I'm tempted to put the furball island back up with a limited plane set but I doubt anybody would use it.
Private arenas are always treated with scepticism. We've tried that for extended periods. People don't like this setting or that and especially don't like players controlling an arena. Should be hosted by HTC as an alternate and human-populated arena to the MA. Got rid of the furball lake but kept Steal The Sheep on the main page. FFS.
Should be free to play with early rides. Pay for perks to get later planes or pony up the $15 for full access like it is now.
Not sure how attractive your offer of roll-up-and-fly-uncompetitive-aeroplanes-for-free-and-be-cannon-fodder-for-the-vets would be for prospective players. Maybe it would work as a gateway drug :rofl
The more I’ve read this thread, the more I wonder why HT even posted it. If Skyyr really changed his stripes and was going to be a good boi, why bother giving him the name back and telling any of us? Just let him fly under a pseudonym and let it go. As far as I can tell, ego is what got him (Skyyr) banned in the first place. If he’s really changed why does he need to be Skyyr?
No doubt get lynched for this remark and alienate some people I respect (who justifiably have complaints). The Dale-God-Entity ought to be less passive than simply making an announcement and then leaving the thread open but he did say that everyone deserves a second chance. Perhaps we could join in the spirit of that declaration and focus on the present and not the past. :bolt:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 08, 2023, 01:57:37 AM
No doubt get lynched for this remark and alienate some people I respect (who justifiably have complaints). The Dale-God-Entity ought to be less passive than simply making an announcement and then leaving the thread open but he did say that everyone deserves a second chance. Perhaps we could join in the spirit of that declaration and focus on the present and not the past. :bolt:
Hello Mr. Tongue… meet Mrs. Cheeks! lol :aok
I sort of said this about 10 pages ago and got yelled at.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fd ski on December 08, 2023, 02:42:15 AM
free to play planes to be lambs for a slaughter sounds like a bad idea for all involved. - new players get their heads bashed in before they can learn anything and even if they do learn/know something - are hopelessly outclassed by vets in superior rides - old players are degraded to "club the seal" game and i don't know about you, but killing newbies ( even in late war planes ) is no challenge/fun for myself.
secondly, i don't think 15$ a month is a such a huge barrier. To play sims people spend thousands on desktop/VR hardware/GPU. For sim enthusiasts, 15$ a month likely isn't a challenge. I would say that currently it is outdated graphics that are simply pushing people away.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 08, 2023, 03:44:24 AM
as much as i love idea of rolling plane set, it was tried in practice in WB and it did kill the game. First 2 weeks of the month when early war was being played - there was nobody in the arena.
The timeline was changed for 2 days before RTP and map stays, if I remember, 2 weeks. IMHO biggest reason for players to disappear were hacks and then consequences when hackers were driven out.
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I would recommend different approach - make a map that is divided in 3 separate sections, with 100000ft mountains between them to keep "transfers" out. Early war planes in one section, mid second late last. Put some strategic targets in each, so that if you want to whack radar factory, you just have to pick up He 111 ;)
Not sure if that would work, but maybe worth a try ?
That might work. Just wonder how many point greedy überkitepinger will demote themselves to fly something under 400mph, but for my kind of easy kill it sounds good. AIs which are present in match arena are just too hard nuts at least for my skills.
free to play planes to be lambs for a slaughter sounds like a bad idea for all involved. - new players get their heads bashed in before they can learn anything and even if they do learn/know something - are hopelessly outclassed by vets in superior rides - old players are degraded to "club the seal" game and i don't know about you, but killing newbies ( even in late war planes ) is no challenge/fun for myself.
As being in receiving end, it's not fun either. Kills motivation when pinged down in almost every flight before getting anything done.
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secondly, i don't think 15$ a month is a such a huge barrier. To play sims people spend thousands on desktop/VR hardware/GPU. For sim enthusiasts, 15$ a month likely isn't a challenge. I would say that currently it is outdated graphics that are simply pushing people away.
I doubt if it pushes old players away, but may really make new ones to go after some eye candy. For me, AH graphics are just fine. Especially after WB they are superb.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 08, 2023, 04:26:44 AM
I doubt if it pushes old players away, but may really make new ones to go after some eye candy. For me, AH graphics are just fine. Especially after WB they are superb.
you're old :) but in all seriousness, when i fire up DCS in VR, i can fly for an hour just to intake the views. Gap is huge. For new player, with no emotional attachment to WB/AH/insert old sim here - choice is simple. They will gravitate to newer games.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 08, 2023, 09:48:11 AM
you're old :) but in all seriousness, when i fire up DCS in VR, i can fly for an hour just to intake the views. Gap is huge. For new player, with no emotional attachment to WB/AH/insert old sim here - choice is simple. They will gravitate to newer games.
Heyyy, I'm just 63 years young..! :old: ... :D and I ordered TrackIR. Let's see what effect it has, for a young guy like me. Should arrive for Xmas. VR is not an option, because in boomers must use keyboard commands.
My son tanks in War Thunder and Enlisted. In those graphics are in a totally different level. I tank and sometimes fly in IL-2 and they are better as well but not so much I'd abandon AH. Biggest difference, IMO, is uneven terrain. As old player, in my case, it's the age, not how long I've been here. Relatively newcomer equipped with noobie level dogfight skills and reaction time calculated with calendar. :joystick:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 08, 2023, 09:58:07 AM
VR is not an option, because in boomers must use keyboard commands.
Voice Attack. A Must have. Even when I fly non-VR Apache I need it. Too much complexity to map everything on stick, and too much going on to hunt and peck at a keyboard under fire at or below tree-top level. ;)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 08, 2023, 09:58:18 AM
One of the best things AH does imo is icons and spotting planes b4 the icons appear...
Both dcs and il2 suck at it in comparison
If I could see the enemies better I might play them more
I installed a 55in 4k tv and ran dsc through it to see of it helped spotting but it didn't
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 08, 2023, 10:27:06 AM
Voice Attack. A Must have. Even when I fly non-VR Apache I need it. Too much complexity to map everything on stick, and too much going on to hunt and peck at a keyboard under fire at or below tree-top level. ;)
My assisting softfurware is limiting some options. Stall limiter Roy and AimCat Ria. They are sometimes causing some unwanted and peculiar aerobatics. And voice commands work poorly with them. 😼
secondly, i don't think 15$ a month is a such a huge barrier. To play sims people spend thousands on desktop/VR hardware/GPU. For sim enthusiasts, 15$ a month likely isn't a challenge. I would say that currently it is outdated graphics that are simply pushing people away.
You are right: "15$ a month likely isn't a challenge" however there are some situations to consider.
What about a 15 year old that want's to play but doesn't have access to a credit card? I know if all my kids came to me asking me to pay 15 a month for an online game I would tell them to get a job! lolz
$180 a year adds up over time especially if you have other family members that want to play together. One account for me and each one of my family members is equal to $900 a year...
We all play WoW together (including my wife) which is 5 accounts but there is a FTP option for characters under level 20 so it is affordable.
We also play WW2 online together sometimes because they have the limited FTP account option.
I'm working on getting IL2 set up so we can play together there too. Looks like I can buy accounts to play for as little as a one time payment of $14 when it's on sale and I'm going to setup a free server for us to play on with friends at some point.
I can't justify $900 a year for a game that we might play together once or twice a week on average.
I have noticed there are a few players that I see in the free arenas that I don't recall seeing in melee. Would be interesting to know why they aren't there.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on December 08, 2023, 11:54:33 AM
Should be free to play with early rides. Pay for perks to get later planes or pony up the $15 for full access like it is now.
The more I’ve read this thread, the more I wonder why HT even posted it. If Skyyr really changed his stripes and was going to be a good boi, why bother giving him the name back and telling any of us? Just let him fly under a pseudonym and let it go. As far as I can tell, ego is what got him (Skyyr) banned in the first place. If he’s really changed why does he need to be Skyyr?
I would probably take that limited plane set and drop my monthly cost.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LilMak on December 08, 2023, 12:55:51 PM
I would probably take that limited plane set and drop my monthly cost.
I think there’s a few that would fee the same way but many of the old guard would keep going with the $15. I’m only on a few times a month these days but I still throw down that $15.
The point behind my idea is to get that addiction started. Limited early/mid war stuff for free. Then perks that you pay for to get anything else on the list. The second that kid whacks a pony with his Spit1, he’s gonna be hooked. He’s gonna want that Spi16 to see how he does in that and will probably pay a couple bucks to get it. Eventually, it’ll be more cost effective to just throw down that $15. Sure their will be a lot of seal clubbing but that’s always been the case. Two weeks of free time has never been enough to get the addiction going and I’d bet that there are still enough of us left to coach the new kids to at least bring some in. And there are still peeps (even in the younger generation) that would get sucked in to the challenge.
AH is kinda like golf. As soon as you hit a good shot you’re hooked. Then you’re at the pro shop buying shoes, gloves, clubs ( aka T34s, Spits, Yak3s, 262s).
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 08, 2023, 01:02:44 PM
My assisting softfurware is limiting some options. Stall limiter Roy and AimCat Ria. They are sometimes causing some unwanted and peculiar aerobatics. And voice commands work poorly with them. 😼
free to play planes to be lambs for a slaughter sounds like a bad idea for all involved. - new players get their heads bashed in before they can learn anything and even if they do learn/know something - are hopelessly outclassed by vets in superior rides - old players are degraded to "club the seal" game and i don't know about you, but killing newbies ( even in late war planes ) is no challenge/fun for myself.
secondly, i don't think 15$ a month is a such a huge barrier. To play sims people spend thousands on desktop/VR hardware/GPU. For sim enthusiasts, 15$ a month likely isn't a challenge. I would say that currently it is outdated graphics that are simply pushing people away.
I just got it running again after MANY years away and the graphics (to me) are acceptable for a large scale multiplayer game, but it's the fact that there have been no updates for close to 4 years that has me more concerned.. if something isn't moving, it's not good.
Current Version : 3.05 Patch 7 Last Updated : March 3, 2020
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: RichardDarkwood on December 09, 2023, 05:38:41 AM
Please don't mis-quote me, the "if you like air to air Minecraft" came from you...
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 09, 2023, 07:37:38 AM
Icer, there have been 6 new maps added to the Melee rotation, and 1 original map updated. As of today, there are at least 3 more new maps in the works. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 09, 2023, 07:48:19 AM
Seem some love the external views so they can watch their pretty planes fly around very pretty maps for extended periods of time between any kind of contact or battle..
Il2 and dsc look very pretty on yt but don't see videos from those games that can compete with even the lowered 100 a night AH MA pulls in consistently these days...around a quarter century since it launched..
Instead it's a bunch of flying with a single fight maybe two then you get to watch them fly their pretty plane usually in external view all the way back and land..
I do AH because I want a fight within 5 minutes of logging on..I don't get that in any other ww2 flight sim
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 09, 2023, 08:05:36 AM
Seem some love the external views so they can watch their pretty planes fly around very pretty maps for extended periods of time between any kind of contact or battle.. Il2 and dsc look very pretty on yt but don't see videos from those games that can compete with even the lowered 100 a night AH MA pulls in consistently these days...around a quarter century since it launched.. Instead it's a bunch of flying with a single fight maybe two then you get to watch them fly their pretty plane usually in external view all the way back and land..
I do AH because I want a fight within 5 minutes of logging on..I don't get that in any other ww2 flight sim Eagler
As I said above, I find the AH graphics just fine as-is. BMS Falcon is my all time favorite simulator, and i've been flying that with terrain graphics that make AH look state-of-the-art! As you say, it's the play (and used to be comaraderie, hopefully still exists) that makes it.. IMO DCS, though pretty, is a really dead world, as is IL-2 due to their lack of consistent damage and scripted campaigns. AHIII offers an ongoing battles and scenarios that are quite unique, always did.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 09:28:36 AM
As I said above, I find the AH graphics just fine as-is. BMS Falcon is my all time favorite simulator, and i've been flying that with terrain graphics that make AH look state-of-the-art! As you say, it's the play (and used to be comaraderie, hopefully still exists) that makes it.. IMO DCS, though pretty, is a really dead world, as is IL-2 due to their lack of consistent damage and scripted campaigns. AHIII offers an ongoing battles and scenarios that are quite unique, always did.
Everyone has their own preferences in graphics. Some demand state of the art graphics, some are fine with still flying VGA 256 color.
However, as a whole, it seems the general market demands state of the art graphics. Or at least state of the art graphics give that sim a strong advantage over an equally good sim that has worse graphics. For todays market, graphics are very important. You can tell by where they spend their money.
I'm curious on your opinion as someone who has been around here as long as me. You remember the 600 players a night time. If you could list 3 things that you think most contribute to all the players that used to be here say in 2006 (600 players a night), not being here now, what do you think the explanation is?
I guess most players eventually tire of any game so that may be natural. But then the question moves to what 3 things is preventing AH from convincing new players from signing up and replacing old players that leave?
Or, if you were king, what 3 things would you change first to put 600 players a night back in the game (assuming there was a possibility of that)?
I have to assume it is not just advertising else more of those 40,000 downloads from the Steam launch would have bit. You'll never get that targeted an audience broadcasting on tv.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: RichardDarkwood on December 09, 2023, 09:47:49 AM
Everyone has their own preferences in graphics. Some demand state of the art graphics, some are fine with still flying VGA 256 color.
However, as a whole, it seems the general market demands state of the art graphics. Or at least state of the art graphics give that sim a strong advantage over an equally good sim that has worse graphics. For todays market, graphics are very important. You can tell by where they spend their money.
I'm curious on your opinion as someone who has been around here as long as me. You remember the 600 players a night time. If you could list 3 things that you think most contribute to all the players that used to be here say in 2006 (600 players a night), not being here now, what do you think the explanation is?
I guess most players eventually tire of any game so that may be natural. But then the question moves to what 3 things is preventing AH from convincing new players from signing up and replacing old players that leave?
Or, if you were king, what 3 things would you change first to put 600 players a night back in the game (assuming there was a possibility of that)?
I have to assume it is not just advertising else more of those 40,000 downloads from the Steam launch would have bit. You'll never get that targeted an audience broadcasting on tv.
In 2006 there were twenty times less the options for people to do anything let alone a flight sim. AH has entered a niche category and it’s silly to compare the past to now expecting some sort of resurgence. No amount of coding is ever going to change it.
Having hired many a developer I can promise they do not come cheap. I have a hard time believing the amount of time, effort, and resources it would take to bring AH up to modern standards would ever come close to a favorable ROI for anyone. The time spent and resources required for testing itself would be massive. That doesn’t even include all the proposed community changes that are blasted all over the BBS daily.
Lusche’s chart tells the tale.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on December 09, 2023, 09:55:08 AM
If you could list 3 things that you think most contribute to all the players that used to be here say in 2006 (600 players a night), not being here now, what do you think the explanation is?
This probably warrants its own thread, but here's my 2 cents, in no particular order: Hitech Creations employed 3-4 FT coders, 2 graphic artists, community support mgr & an office mgr. Update patches rolled out every other week. There was a palpable sense of game expansion that generated excitement/growth.
AHI morphed into AHII and the graphics saw improvement...i.e. eye candy.
H2H was still up & running (to my best recollection) which converted many non-payers (affectionately known as freeloaders in the day :devil to paying MA customers. I was one of those guys.
Trainers were more assessable back then. I recall a one named Ghosth, who monitored the TA and MA...helping noobs learn the ropes, set up a joystick and explain how the TIC TAC TOE boxes worked so as to get airborne.
Computers were fairly reasonable in cost to buy new, or build. XBox, Playstation etc was still in it's infancy.
The launch of AHIII on Steam incurred numerous issues, and some very negative reviews from players who had an axe to grind with Hitech.
In recent years, the player base has reduced to a collection of full time seasoned vets, who club baby seals into submission and the exit doors.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 10:03:57 AM
Fair point. The rise of competition definitely is a major explanation of where players went.
So, I guess the question could be reworded,
What 3 things do you think most contribute to AH losing out to it's competitors in the context of winning over customers?
It’s the same answer for me always. We are nearly 80 years removed from the time period in question and the generations after mine (I’m 50) do not covet the WWII era like we did. It’s just not as cool to them as it was to us. Plus it’s not as focused in schools as it used to be. Why learn to shoot guns when you can go Mach 2 and press a missile button.
My son has a VR headset and other things he straps on his arms, waist and feet if he wants to be fully immersed in a game. AH doesn’t stand a chance against today’s gaming world.
It does however in its current form offer a cheap alternative to all that but see paragraph A for why it’s not enough.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on December 09, 2023, 10:16:40 AM
I found this game from seeing an advertisement on the military channel when I was 14. Didn’t realize there was a forum here until a whole year after playing.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 10:19:03 AM
I found this game from seeing an advertisement on the military channel when I was 14. Didn’t realize there was a forum here until a whole year after playing.
Yup that same commercial hooked a lot of us. :salute
My favorite thing about that commercial is the first big action you see is the shooting up of a train which has almost no value today lol.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 10:29:05 AM
It’s the same answer for me always. We are nearly 80 years removed from the time period in question and the generations after mine (I’m 50) do not covet the WWII era like we did. It’s just not as cool to them as it was to us. Plus it’s not as focused in schools as it used to be. Why learn to shoot guns when you can go Mach 2 and press a missile button.
Yeah, we might have to agree to disagree with that one (as usual ;) ). I just don't see any evidence in the marketplace that WWII is not a viable genre.
IL2's problems isn't because no one will fly WWII planes. Look at the activity they had as late as 2020? IL2's problem is that it lost it's prime mover from what sounds like disagreements with (russian?) management. Now they are performing badly. Little new content, poor or no communication with the base. No vision. No roadmap. No path forward. It was IL2 that abandoned it's players, not the other way around.
Jason Williams (former producer for the IL2 GB series) is now getting funding to build a brand new WWII sim. As you said programmers are expensive. Someone is backing him with probably couple of $mil (?). I'd have to think VC like that would do the market research and due diligence before risking that kind of cash. Somehow they are thinking there is sufficient potential WWII interest to risk that kind of money. Do you think they have looked into that question?
In any case, thanks for sharing your opinion.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 10:53:26 AM
Jason Williams (former producer for the IL2 GB series) is now getting funding to build a brand new WWII sim. As you said programmers are expensive. Someone is backing him with probably couple of $mil (?). I'd have to think VC like that would do the market research and due diligence before risking that kind of cash. Somehow they are thinking there is sufficient potential WWII interest to risk that kind of money. Do you think they have looked into that question?
In any case, thanks for sharing your opinion.
That’s fair but my hypothesis only grows stronger with time. $2M was the minimum I was thinking.
And no not every VC out there does their due diligence about that. They want in fast and usually out quick with some points on the back. My guess is that guy has all the clout he needs to talk someone into giving him money. Three years from now they will launch a game and make a quick boatload of initial cash, pay off the angel investors and then become just another sim on the market.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 10:55:51 AM
Three years from now they will launch a game and make a quick boatload of initial cash, pay off the angel investors and then become just another sim on the market.
How would they make that boatload of money if WWII is a dead genre and no one will pay for it?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 09, 2023, 10:56:10 AM
I'm curious on your opinion as someone who has been around here as long as me. You remember the 600 players a night time. If you could list 3 things that you think most contribute to all the players that used to be here say in 2006 (600 players a night), not being here now, what do you think the explanation is? I guess most players eventually tire of any game so that may be natural. But then the question moves to what 3 things is preventing AH from convincing new players from signing up and replacing old players that leave? Or, if you were king, what 3 things would you change first to put 600 players a night back in the game (assuming there was a possibility of that)? I have to assume it is not just advertising else more of those 40,000 downloads from the Steam launch would have bit. You'll never get that targeted an audience broadcasting on tv.
Being away the past 15 years I likely have outdated ideas of what works or not, and there is no magic wand to wave. IMO If you want to draw in new people in this age you need to bring the game into this decade, upgraded graphics, improved UI, and lower the initial cost of admission. Lower the buy-in cost with limited planes/hours/whatever. These new people should be (harshly) informed that they need to practice/train with someone, and join up with others if the want to actually enjoy themselves. Maybe a disclaimer before joining that being a lone wolf is a sure way to become discouraged and quit, so if you can't play well with others and take guidance, don't waste your time (and $$$). I think this is why most people buy sims like IL-2 and DCS, so they can play single player missions/campaigns, not to fly online. In reality the MOST active IL-2 servers may see 10 players (on average) with a high of 30-40 for events.. so it's not like all online players are on there instead of here. For me it was always Squad nights with 10-15 of us with an objective that kept me flying, once that came apart I left.. that and the Main Arena became idiotic (to me) with 1939 planes vs 1945 planes, and no one would fly in the time specific arenas. To me the MA was air-quake, I would have killed it if it was my call..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 09, 2023, 11:01:56 AM
How would they make that boatload of money if WWII is a dead genre and no one will pay for it?
I doubt it will be a "boatload", but the interest in a WWII Pacific theater simulation with the latest graphics/logic/do-dads is quite high. THe Combat Pilot Discord and website are quite active.. and all they have are the basics so far (though they appear to have a basic A6M3 flying).
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 11:06:15 AM
I doubt it will be a "boatload", but the interest in a WWII Pacific theater simulation with the latest graphics/logic/do-dads is quite high. THe Combat Pilot Discord and website are quite active.. and all they have are the basics so far (though they appear to have a basic A6M3 flying.
Exactly.
I'm not saying WWII is the most popular game genre out there, but there definitely seems to have enough interest to generate reasonable revenue. IL2 GB made a boatload of money over the years. They could be now if they didn't have their internal management issues.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
I think this is why most people buy sims like IL-2 and DCS, so they can play single player missions/campaigns, not to fly online.
I don't know how some of the stuff you said would go over with potential customers ;) , but you are dead on here.
I can't remember what Williams mentioned, but it was a big number like 85% of their revenue came from single-player. That is why they are starting with that. Build a player-base, build momentum and hype, build a revenue-base to fund the MP which will always be less volume. No bucks, no Buck Rodgers.
IMHO, that is a big competitive advantage DCS and IL2 have over AH. They don't have to fund their development from MP. They have SP funding to keep development going in ~2 year sprints.
WT makes MP only work, but they are smart about how they use FTP to keep servers full and to maintain contact with a potential customer for as long as they can, not just two weeks.
[Edit] Contemplate this point: a kid can be bought a game for x-mas from grandma or someone; it is a much harder sell parents on agreeing to an open ended subscription. You could have a gift certificate for 3 months of play or something, but a parent knows that either locks them in or schedules a fight in 3 months when they don't want to pay anymore. Great Battles of Stalingrad is a single purchase with no strings attached. Much more likely to be a x-mas gift.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lusche on December 09, 2023, 11:32:04 AM
IMHO, that is a big competitive advantage DCS and IL2 have over AH. They don't have to fund their development from MP. They have SP funding to keep development going in ~2 year sprints.
The only reason I ever paid for Il-2 was the single player mode, even though it's quite bad in my opinion. In fact, I never play IL-2 and DCS in multiplayer at all. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 11:43:45 AM
The only reason I ever paid for Il-2 was the single player mode, even though it's quite bad in my opinion. In fact, I never play IL-2 and DCS in multiplayer at all. :old:
Single-player has unique challenges. Believable AI is hard. But I guess you don't have to be perfect, just as good or slightly better than your competitor.
As you said, there are many out there who have money to spend but (at least initially) who are only interested in SP.
But building a SP builds a lot of your MP already, and it is nice to have a reliable revenue source funding you as you build your MP, or to sustain it beyond what MP numbers alone can provide.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 09, 2023, 12:15:08 PM
I don't know how some of the stuff you said would go over with potential customers ;) , but you are dead on here.
In this day of "everyone deserves a trophy" it wouldn't... There used to be a "newbie areana" IIRC, with relaxed realism and trainers available, does that still exist? To me, there should be Early War/Late War with full realism and a Newbie/Training arena that ALL new sign ups had to spend xx.x amount of time in. Thats it, no dilution all over the place, you have two choices.. Want to get crazy, have Pacific War one week, European the next with appropriate plane sets. See, my ideas are just for me.. :D
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lusche on December 09, 2023, 12:20:16 PM
To me, there should be Early War/Late War with full realism and a Newbie/Training arena that ALL new sign ups had to spend xx.x amount of time in.
I spent quite some time in the TA back in the day when I was new, but I would never had joined AH with such a mandatory setting.
And today it would work even less. Imagine having 40 players in the MA and you are forced to stick around in the TA all alone until your timer is down to 0... :uhoh
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
I just meant boatload as the initial windfall from a new shiny thing on the market and it will also depend on how the price model work. I am not a fan of the way IL2 and DCS do it but it must be lucrative. I don’t like paying for each separate plane. Even if in the end I pay more for AH its still a better value proposition for me. I still contend they are not proper comparisons to AH anyway. If IL had a capture the flag aspect AH does then we have an issue Houston.
Also from what I’m reading other threads places like IL and DCS don’t have the same numbers the MA does nightly. Unless I misread it or it was exclusive to wwii servers. Which only serves the AH purpose better I guess.
If we take the consensus of the 800 subs or so still around then Dale probably nets about 100K give or take. If I could stick a hard drive in a closet and make that every year I probably would too. Plus I have no idea this man’s revenue stream so I’m just guessing.
How close did the AH single player get to completion? Anyone here on the rating crew and tell us how it was going to work?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: BigR on December 09, 2023, 01:18:30 PM
I just meant boatload as the initial windfall from a new shiny thing on the market and it will also depend on how the price model work. I am not a fan of the way IL2 and DCS do it but it must be lucrative. I don’t like paying for each separate plane. Even if in the end I pay more for AH its still a better value proposition for me. I still contend they are not proper comparisons to AH anyway. If IL had a capture the flag aspect AH does then we have an issue Houston.
Also from what I’m reading other threads places like IL and DCS don’t have the same numbers the MA does nightly. Unless I misread it or it was exclusive to wwii servers. Which only serves the AH purpose better I guess.
If we take the consensus of the 800 subs or so still around then Dale probably nets about 100K give or take. If I could stick a hard drive in a closet and make that every year I probably would too. Plus I have no idea this man’s revenue stream so I’m just guessing.
How close did the AH single player get to completion? Anyone here on the rating crew and tell us how it was going to work?
I remember when they were beta testing the missions and the AI. It was actually pretty decent. I was bummed when it didnt pan out.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 01:28:47 PM
I just meant boatload as the initial windfall from a new shiny thing on the market and it will also depend on how the price model work. I am not a fan of the way IL2 and DCS do it but it must be lucrative.
Yes, but the point is that WWII genre will not stop a well executed product from making money. As you note IL2 seems to have been able to generate nice revenue. You may not buy it because you don't like paying per plane, but that is not the same as not buying it because you don't like WWII. Apparently there are enough players who like WWII and are willing to buy per plane they, as you say, made it quite lucrative.
I agree it is not going to be as popular as more modern stuff today, but that doesn't mean there is not enough there to make it "lucrative" for a smaller niche company. The VC investing in Combat Pilot believe so.
How close did the AH single player get to completion? Anyone here on the rating crew and tell us how it was going to work?
I don't know if it was ever seriously contemplated by HTC. Other than singleton offline missions as a side game of the MP download. The real purpose of the AI was groundwork for the Tour of Duty thing.
If I were king, I'd figure out how to leverage the existing AI system to cobble together a passible "value priced" indi-developer single-player sim with one or two campaigns, and release it on Steam. 14.95$ and comes with a coupon for a free month of AH Online. ;)
Gives you another skew on Steam, another chance to make a first impression to a large gaming audience and consider it like the minor leagues as a feeder sim to channel players toward the Online subscription version eventually. If they don't use the coupon, you still have the $15. ;)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lusche on December 09, 2023, 01:30:29 PM
If we take the consensus of the 800 subs or so still around
Nobody of us knows about the number of subs. I only can count the pilots, which is technically not even players. All stuff about subs is pure guesswork. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 01:31:07 PM
Nobody of us knows about the number of subs. I only can count the pilots, which is technically not even players. All stuff about subs is pure guesswork. :old:
Yup but it’s a pretty good framework. But yes we are for sure guessing.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 09, 2023, 02:31:27 PM
If I were king for a day...(these are just a few ideas off the top of my head)
If it were my sim I would be actively involved and would log in and play for myself to see how thing were working and to see if there were ways I could improve it based on what I saw taking place in the game. (this means I wouldn't have to take 3rd hand info to find out what was going on in the game)
I would listen suggestions and criticisms from players in the game and give their ideas a try to see if anything panned out. Maybe 30 days to evaluate. Say the playerbase wanted early late and midwar arenas. Since it shouldn't be too hard to configure I would set it up and let it run for 30 days to see if it was worth keeping.
I would offer a recruitment bonus like WoW for example when you bring a new player on or an old player back to subscribing you get a month free or something.
I would do like Walmart and have a greeter. When somebody new comes on for the first time, greet them and ask if they are new and would like assistance getting started. This could be a staff or volunteer potion.
I would have a feeder squad for new players that people were auto enrolled in as soon as they started. Other players who wanted to grow the game could volunteer for a position in this new squad and would get an achievement or something for contributing here.
Instead of having mods who appear to mute some people for saying something but not others, I would have people who would offer assistance in game to other players in real time. There are already tools like the ability to squelch somebody if you find yourself getting butthurt. I don't think the muting thing adds anything to the game and certainly takes away from it when it is not administered without bias.
I would have SOMETHING free to play in the main arena to get more numbers and to build perk points. The use of the free to play planes and vehicles would build up perk points but you couldn't cash them in until you bought a plane or a subscription.
In addition to the subscription model I would. Add some sort of upgrades for one time purchase. As a parent I may not be willing to pay $48 a month for my 3 kids to play a game such as this but I might be willing to spend $10 on each of them on their birthdays or at Christmas to buy them a plane (kinda like IL2).
I could go on and on. I think there are many good ideas about, however, I get the feeling that Dale would rather play poker and spend as little time as possible dealing with the thing in the "broom closet" Maybe Dale will write a multiplayer poker game? :banana:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: AKIron on December 09, 2023, 04:21:45 PM
Also from what I’m reading other threads places like IL and DCS don’t have the same numbers the MA does nightly. Unless I misread it or it was exclusive to wwii servers. Which only serves the AH purpose better I guess.
No idea about IL2 but just about any time you can find hundreds of DCS multiplayer servers online. Don't take my word for it, take a look.
I just checked, currently 1,721 servers on line with 3,252 players. Of course the bulk are not WWII.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 09, 2023, 04:28:45 PM
No idea about IL2 but just about any time you can find hundreds of DCS multiplayer servers online. Don't take my word for it, take a look.
I just checked, currently 1,721 servers on line with 3,252 players. Of course the bulk are not WWII.
Talk about dilution, so if every server was occupied (w hich a large percentage aren't) that ~2 people per server..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: AKIron on December 09, 2023, 04:28:54 PM
Aces High still offers something the others don't, a persistent server with a relatively large user base. Which is why it still exist after more than 20 years.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: AKIron on December 09, 2023, 04:30:32 PM
Talk about dilution, so if every server was occupied (w hich a large percentage aren't) that ~2 people per server..
You can look at the servers and see the numbers. They are not going to be spread uniformly. As I just mentioned in my last post Aces High does offer something neither DCS nor IL2 do. Which is why it remains.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 09, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
No idea about IL2 but just about any time you can find hundreds of DCS multiplayer servers online. Don't take my word for it, take a look.
I just checked, currently 1,721 servers on line with 3,252 players. Of course the bulk are not WWII.
Ok must have been WWII ones then. For me I’m not interested in jets or helicopters and I still have an old copy of FSX if I get that itch someday.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: AKIron on December 09, 2023, 04:33:29 PM
I long enjoyed Aces High and others like it before but sometimes I want to fly and deal only with my own ego and drama. A few friends against an AI is useful for that.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: AKIron on December 09, 2023, 04:38:34 PM
Jets and helicopters require a greater investment in learning and training for sure. Many don't have or want to spend the time needed to master them. Many do though and find it rewarding.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 09, 2023, 04:57:41 PM
Hitech should merge with IL2 to form an new company to resist the Borg (DCS).
Use IL2 graphics and assets and client and SP campaign capability, HT's persistent sandbox arena server code.
With a limited FTP planeset and a two week trial to all planes. Two week trial can be repeated once a year.
Now that would be interesting.
[Edit] Of course the price would have to go up to $24.95\mo.
:D
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 09, 2023, 06:00:36 PM
Agree about the FTP stuff. If there were any ftp stuff 2 of the 3 of my kids would be there and I would as well.
Might be willing to pay for one account to play with my kids but I'm not gonna pay $100 for 4 accounts at you're $25 a month lol.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: flippz on December 09, 2023, 09:59:45 PM
Ok Simon, heres a link to dispel the blatant debauchery that has become the 200 soap opera when you log into the arena and join an on going fur ball. if you watch close and follow the fight first and the you wretched decapitation of the fight in 200 you will understand where the issue lies. I will let the film and the later 200 chat speak for it self. Please stay for the end of the video to see chat logs.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on December 09, 2023, 11:35:55 PM
I love the activity skyrr is bringing to the game to be honest its really getting under people's skin it seems.
Is it impressive to shoot down a F4U co alt with a LA7? well not really. But it is impressive when it makes someone whine about it :rofl
Simon is a very good stick in the corsair (read better than me :joystick:) I don't know why he would commit to that fight in the first place. however possibly due to the psychological effects Skyrr can have on a player he felt the need to aggressively attack to the point of being obtuse over 200 when he was shot down for playing into a fight the F4U could never win. I really don't get all the negativity its not like Skyrr is the first "dweeb" to fly around in an LA7 or 190 and exploit energy advantages and be darn good at it.
Makes me want to reopen my account so I can PWN Skyrr in a 1v1 :ahand and PROUDLY :salute thump my chest on 200 until Mindy agrees to go on a date with me :banana:
:noid
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: TryHard on December 09, 2023, 11:38:58 PM
BTW if Mindy turns out to not be a real girl i will be VERY VERY UPSET!!! :( And I will QUIT THE GAME and guess what? I will even make a post on this forum informing you of my departure!
(pls be real Mindy, I love you)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Tumor on December 10, 2023, 02:50:54 AM
Addink is playing you guys like an orchestra of fiddles. :rock
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 10, 2023, 03:36:12 AM
When people do not have real problems in their life, they create them. If nowhere else, in online combat sim... :rolleyes:
One more reason to stay away from 200.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on December 10, 2023, 03:59:28 AM
Ok Simon, heres a link to dispel the blatant debauchery that has become the 200 soap opera when you log into the arena and join an on going fur ball. if you watch close and follow the fight first and the you wretched decapitation of the fight in 200 you will understand where the issue lies. I will let the film and the later 200 chat speak for it self. Please stay for the end of the video to see chat logs.
I thought we were supposed to believe Skyyr had changed, yet here we are, same ol' same ol' use of youtube to berate another player. The only thing that has changed is the delivery method from one dribbling idiot to the next. :old:
HiTech gain yourself some subscriptions and Re-Ban him.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 04:25:18 AM
I thought we were supposed to believe Skyyr had changed, yet here we are, same ol' same ol' use of youtube to berate another player. The only thing that has changed is the delivery method from one dribbling idiot to the next. :old:
HiTech gain yourself some subscriptions and Re-Ban him.
Dude there's at least 6 of us who came back because he was unbanned lol.
Also, that video is unlisted and only accessible via the link. It's kind of hard to claim its berating someone when it's a private video uploaded specifically because it's proof that what was claimed in this thread isn't actually happening (quite the opposite, actually). The only negative part of it is Simon talking trash. If that's berating someone, then maybe they shouldn't be playing.
Didn't you quit? Withdrawals must be hard for ya.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on December 10, 2023, 06:27:10 AM
Dude there's at least 6 of us who came back because he was unbanned lol.
Also, that video is unlisted and only accessible via the link. It's kind of hard to claim its berating someone when it's a private video uploaded specifically because it's proof that what was claimed in this thread isn't actually happening (quite the opposite, actually). The only negative part of it is Simon talking trash. If that's berating someone, then maybe they shouldn't be playing.
Didn't you quit? Withdrawals must be hard for ya.
AH will gain double that once he is dealt with.
Changing the film's access after I called it out is typical, and unsurprising.
I'm just waiting on the glorious news he's re-banned for his disturbing behaviors.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 10, 2023, 07:06:27 AM
BTW if Mindy turns out to not be a real girl i will be VERY VERY UPSET!!! :( And I will QUIT THE GAME and guess what? I will even make a post on this forum informing you of my departure!
(pls be real Mindy, I love you)
LOL No worries,Sir! Mindy and My Niece...aka ULPink and ULBlizz=BOTH FEMALE Holy Terrors! I was blessed to train and fly with both :cheers:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 10, 2023, 07:37:12 AM
Yes. Just make sure in none of your five available radio channels is number 200.
You mean at low right corner? I presume that indicates control positions for mouse and keyboard warriors. I don't have it as flying w/ sticks.
No, I meant the pitch ladder superimposed on the windscreen. I did wonder WTH that box on bottom right was also, but the pitch ladder out of a modern jet is horrible..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 10, 2023, 07:57:08 AM
No, I meant the pitch ladder superimposed on the windscreen. I did wonder WTH that box on bottom right was also, but the pitch ladder out of a modern jet is horrible..
Ah, that I somehow didn't realize. I have a feeling it's for those who have lost their sense of orientation... :D
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Meatwad on December 10, 2023, 08:12:03 AM
I always thought it was eye candy to cater to the xbox crowd
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 10, 2023, 08:20:27 AM
I assume you can MUTE the 200 sandbox channel? And whats with the superimposed HUD? Absolutely hate that..
As I recall, it replaces the gut feel, and natural sensations you get when turning, diving and climbing. While not perfect, with my limited flying skills, I believe it helps. You can always turn it off. :rock
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 10, 2023, 09:04:01 AM
Ok Simon, heres a link to dispel the blatant debauchery that has become the 200 soap opera when you log into the arena and join an on going fur ball. if you watch close and follow the fight first and the you wretched decapitation of the fight in 200 you will understand where the issue lies. I will let the film and the later 200 chat speak for it self. Please stay for the end of the video to see chat logs.
Flippz, I don't understand why you wish to be the propaganda minister for this sweetheartbag. You're posting his edited snippets, devoid of context, to show him in the best light. What about the other 30 or 40 times he's come at me from 20K spraying this tour? What about the non-stop yapping like "poof" and "4-0" and "that time you got owned in 2015"... I won't even get into the times he outright lies and non-stop gaslighting.
Your argument is that it is all in my head. That he's just innocently furballing along, a victim of my verbal attacks. Of course, Skyyr would never do such a thing. Banish the thought. Ignore what you see and hear, and what history has told you.
You may be a fool, but I am not fooled.
Do you wonder how I knew it was Skyyr, before the kill log appeared? It's because he does the same thing every night. The moment I appear on the kill log, he switches fronts, jumps in a cannon-plane, flies directly to my position and comes at me HO'ing and spraying (as you can see).
I've logged about 7.5 hours flying time this tour, spread out over 5 or 6 nights. Pretty much my average. Skyyr has logged about 50 hours. Of those 50 hours, 7.5 hours have been exclusively dedicated to hunting for me. In other words, 100% of the time I've flown this month, I've had Skyyr (and Judge) relentlessly hounding me, disregarding any and all other targets, just so they can shoot my hog in the face.
I notice you also conveniently left out the fact that immediately after this sortie, I switched to the Rook front for a better fight. Guess what? 5 minutes later Skyyr and Judge are rooks, flying directly to the field I was using. Apparently I'm clairvoyant, since I mentioned on chat "watch skyyr switch to rooks in 5...4...3...". I switched to a back field on the next sortie, only to see Judge coming directly at me in his warping 20k Dora, diving and spraying, rinse and repeat.
I knew that would happen because the exact same thing happened on each of the previous 5 or 6 times I've flown this tour. No exaggeration, literally 100% of the time I've been on. Without exception. Skyyr has literally switched teams, or fronts, within 5-10 minutes of my appearance on the chat log.
Coincidence? Happenstance? Cognitive bias? Give me a break. It's blatantly obvious to anyone who flies anywhere near me.
It's really too bad neither of them will actually fight. They'll both just take turns diving, spray-HO'ing, flying back up, and keep taking turns.
So, how should I handle this situation? Should I cancel my subscription? I know that would make Skyyr happy since he's stated many times that he enjoys driving people out of the game. Should I hide in a jet, or pony, or other plane to reduce the chances of him being able to locate me? Should I keep switching sides, or fields? Maybe get in an 88mm and get my revenge that way?
Emphatically, no. I'll keep doing my thing, and calling out these disgusting antagonists for what they are. If you want to keep snipping moments out of those activities to try to propagandize this forum, you may feel free to do so. You might even fool a few people that are susceptible for that sort of thing. Lord knows there are a lot of gullible people in our particular demographic.
Just be aware that you are on the wrong side of this, looking quite stupid.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 10, 2023, 09:14:52 AM
No, I meant the pitch ladder superimposed on the windscreen. I did wonder WTH that box on bottom right was also, but the pitch ladder out of a modern jet is horrible..
You can turn off both those overlays if you don’t like them. I actually use the pitch ladder to orient myself sometimes.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 10, 2023, 09:17:36 AM
So, how should I handle this situation? Should I cancel my subscription? I know that would make Skyyr happy since he's stated many times that he enjoys driving people out of the game. Should I hide in a jet, or pony, or other plane to reduce the chances of him being able to locate me? Should I keep switching sides, or fields? Maybe get in an 88mm and get my revenge that way?
I could only speak as to how I would have handled that situation. There were some friendlies around. I doubt he would have followed you down if you dove for the deck.
That said, in the video it looked like you were the highest of the enemy planes and I would have considered you the biggest threat if I was in the LA7 and would have engaged you first too :)
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 10, 2023, 10:56:30 AM
I could only speak as to how I would have handled that situation. There were some friendlies around. I doubt he would have followed you down if you dove for the deck.
hazmatt it wouldn't be an issue if that were the case. What you describe would be acting within reason, and is a tactic often used by many players.
Remember, this guy is absolutely obsessed. Reason doesn't enter the equation. He'll blow 20k past a dozen cons and dive into my ack if he thinks he can catch me landing. I've watched him bypass countless planes to get to me. Higher/faster, lower/easier, all of the above. He'll abandon the fight he's in if he catches a glimpse of my F4U. It really is insane, and truly astounding to watch the lengths he'll go to. It makes no sense at all from a situational perspective. Yet, there it is.
They don't care if they die in the process. That's why Judge only flies in attack mode when I'm around, and why Skyyr, who from all accounts is a pretty good player, can barely hold a 2:1 k/d ratio. It's target fixated obsessive behavior of epic proportions.
As I've stated, this is not about the fight. I love a good dogfight, especially if a player is an equal or better match. This is not that. It is just gangs of high-alt, high-speed cannon monsters that spray and pray on every merge. One can only dodge so many times and so many planes at once, especially when one of the sprayers has such terrible lag that his nose doesn't even need to be pointed at you to land hits.
I and my squadmates, and a few others are witnessing the epitome of obsessive behavior, mixed with egotistical fragility the likes of which this game has only ever seen before from this same person. He hasn't changed one iota.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 10, 2023, 11:20:46 AM
Curious - How did he know which F4U Simon was in??
Salute Icer, welcome back!
There are plenty of ways to track other players. Since you've been gone, they've introduced a kill log, which shows who kills whom in real-time. This provides the ability, if you're paying attention to where and who your friendlies are, to narrow down a player's vicinity quickly and constantly. You can also estimate based on flight-time and darbars where your target should be.
I also fly F4Us exclusively, and use a unique skin, so that when someone engages me, they know who they're engaging.
Also as Nrshida put it, a player's ACM is like a fingerprint for those that pay attention. That's how it's always been very obvious to myself and many others when Skyyr came back under his previous shade accounts whilst under a ban. In Judge's case, his constant warping is a dead giveaway.
One also has to keep in mind that this player has also been proven to coordinate with players on the other teams. Spies, if you will. He also admits to running multiple accounts concurrently. This gives him a presence on your team, and to use the ".wingman" command to keep track of you.
I have no evidence that Skyyr is tracking me using multiple accounts at this time, although he was previously banned for that type of activity. He does have squadmates that fly on opposite teams, and they do communicate using 3rd party comms (Discord), so it is certainly not implausible.
Nowadays he's more careful about what he posts on YouTube, and steadfastly refused to post native .AHF films instead or as well.
Make of that what you will.
Unfortunately I have other matters to attend to today, so I'm temporarily bowing out of this thread. Have fun
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on December 10, 2023, 12:12:28 PM
If I were king for a day...(these are just a few ideas off the top of my head)
If it were my sim I would be actively involved and would log in and play for myself to see how thing were working and to see if there were ways I could improve it based on what I saw taking place in the game. (this means I wouldn't have to take 3rd hand info to find out what was going on in the game)
Hitech use to do this. He'd pop in and chat/answer questions in blue text for 10-15 minutes. I always loved to hear what he had to say.
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I would listen suggestions and criticisms from players in the game and give their ideas a try to see if anything panned out. Maybe 30 days to evaluate. Say the playerbase wanted early late and midwar arenas. Since it shouldn't be too hard to configure I would set it up and let it run for 30 days to see if it was worth keeping.
The problem is that most "suggestions" have been brought up before. Some have been tried, other Hitech has explained why they wouldn't work or other issue that would crop up if he DID try. This is the one that most are bothered by. "Why wont he try my idea?" More often than not they haven't thought the idea all the way through.
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I would offer a recruitment bonus like WoW for example when you bring a new player on or an old player back to subscribing you get a month free or something.
I think they had this years ago. Nice idea, but that leads to more office work and Id rather see Hitech write coad than do office work.
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I would do like Walmart and have a greeter. When somebody new comes on for the first time, greet them and ask if they are new and would like assistance getting started. This could be a staff or volunteer potion.
This one may have saved the Steam release. They were getting thousands of loggins but people were leaving just as fast. Had there been some greaters to help them allong it may have brought in a bunch of subscriptions. HTC was no where near as ready for the Steam release as they should have been.
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I would have a feeder squad for new players that people were auto enrolled in as soon as they started. Other players who wanted to grow the game could volunteer for a position in this new squad and would get an achievement or something for contributing here.
This was tried for a while. I forget who it was that started the squad, but he was very active in trying to pull in new players, or just players that want to learn more of the game. I dont think it lasted more than a year.
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Instead of having mods who appear to mute some people for saying something but not others, I would have people who would offer assistance in game to other players in real time. There are already tools like the ability to squelch somebody if you find yourself getting butthurt. I don't think the muting thing adds anything to the game and certainly takes away from it when it is not administered without bias.
This one your going to have to let go. Ive been here for 20 years and have only had a MOD warn me once on two different occasions. Both times I listened to what he said and all was good with no mutes involved. Skuzzy posted years ago that MODs have a lot of rules. The one rule everyone should know is "Do Not Confront a MOD" it is an automatic mute. If a MOD tells you to calm down you say yes sir and thank you and all is well. Tell them they should be talking to the other player you yelling at and you get muted because you didnt let it go.
Personally I think the MODs are too lenient. They should be the eyes and ears of HTC in the arena. If some players is chasing another player across the arena to do nothing but annoy that play then the MOD should boot that player for the night. If there is political chat on the messages mute those players for 15 minutes if they ignore the warning. The more crap and harassment that is removed from 200 and or the game the better off the game will be.
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I would have SOMETHING free to play in the main arena to get more numbers and to build perk points. The use of the free to play planes and vehicles would build up perk points but you couldn't cash them in until you bought a plane or a subscription.
Agreed, I have always said this but Hitech has said no to this idea. I have never seen him post a reason why so we can only speculate. Sure he may get some vets to switch to FTP, but I really doubt it. If these vets where ok with using the old/slow planes they would be flying them now. But saying that Id think there would be a lot more new subscription to cover the few losses of those switching to FTP.
6-8 EW planes/vehicles FTP
6-8 MW planes/vehicles $5 a month
2 LW planes/vehicles $10 a month
All planes and vehicles $15 a month
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In addition to the subscription model I would. Add some sort of upgrades for one time purchase. As a parent I may not be willing to pay $48 a month for my 3 kids to play a game such as this but I might be willing to spend $10 on each of them on their birthdays or at Christmas to buy them a plane (kinda like IL2).
$15 for a month is also a nice gift. If they get bored, cancel the sub.
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I could go on and on. I think there are many good ideas about, however, I get the feeling that Dale would rather play poker and spend as little time as possible dealing with the thing in the "broom closet" Maybe Dale will write a multiplayer poker game? :banana:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 10, 2023, 02:38:56 PM
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I used to think that it might be useful for the future of the game to have these discussions. :)
Hitech use to do this. He'd pop in and chat/answer questions in blue text for 10-15 minutes. I always loved to hear what he had to say. The problem is that most "suggestions" have been brought up before. Some have been tried, other Hitech has explained why they wouldn't work or other issue that would crop up if he DID try. This is the one that most are bothered by. "Why wont he try my idea?" More often than not they haven't thought the idea all the way through.
Aye, I think when Hitech stopped doing that and forgot to reset the end of tours for days after they were over, I got the feeling that I was seeing the writing on the wall. :(
Aye I'm thinking stuff more like early/midwar areanas. Why would people cancel their subs if he brought back something that was here before and people enjoyed enough that many people have asked for many times? Why not put some smaller maps in the rotation (as requested many times) due to the lower numbers? People will cancel subs over a couple smaller maps that would make many happy? The stuff I'm suggesting is minor changes that many else have mentioned previously.
My point is if nothing is done that nothing will change.
This one your going to have to let go. Ive been here for 20 years and have only had a MOD warn me once on two different occasions. Both times I listened to what he said and all was good with no mutes involved. Skuzzy posted years ago that MODs have a lot of rules. The one rule everyone should know is "Do Not Confront a MOD" it is an automatic mute. If a MOD tells you to calm down you say yes sir and thank you and all is well. Tell them they should be talking to the other player you yelling at and you get muted because you didnt let it go.
Personally I think the MODs are too lenient. They should be the eyes and ears of HTC in the arena. If some players is chasing another player across the arena to do nothing but annoy that play then the MOD should boot that player for the night. If there is political chat on the messages mute those players for 15 minutes if they ignore the warning. The more crap and harassment that is removed from 200 and or the game the better off the game will be.
This one I did let go. It's why I canceled my sub.
I've never got muted for harassing another player, I've never been told to calm down. I've never chased another player across the arena or annoyed them.
I've got muted for things such as: "Discussing non-game related material on 200" or "adding my 2 cents to a discussion that was happening on 200 and having an opinion that obviously wasn't the same as the mod as the people holding the other opinion continued on without being muted"
People who hold the same views as the mod are allowed to carry on their discussion on 200 while others get muted for contributing to the same discussion. I do not think this is helpful to the game at all.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: RichardDarkwood on December 10, 2023, 05:20:51 PM
I thought we were supposed to believe Skyyr had changed, yet here we are, same ol' same ol' use of youtube to berate another player. The only thing that has changed is the delivery method from one dribbling idiot to the next. :old:
HiTech gain yourself some subscriptions and Re-Ban him.
The music in that video straight up sucks
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Devil 505 on December 10, 2023, 05:24:12 PM
Remember, this guy is absolutely obsessed. Reason doesn't enter the equation. He'll blow 20k past a dozen cons and dive into my ack if he thinks he can catch me landing.
That's interesting and sheds some light on what may have been happening to me recently. Check out the AH Combat Report thread, I've posted an account of events with the film.
I'm guessing he was loitering around my field waiting to be tipped off when I was rtb to land... check it out, you might find it familiar :rofl
Gunzo
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 12, 2023, 02:58:26 AM
You're going to get perma-banned, the four of you. You're too fixated with fueding to see it. Keep this up and Skyyr, Badboy, Flippz and TheJudge at least are going to get permanetly banned from Aces High. Yes you can sneak back under fake IP & MAC addresses but each one of you is so easy to spot due to unique traits that your MOs depend on. You'll just get repeadidly reported until your position is untenable. Made enough enemies to ensure this. You must be blind to your own wellbeing if you cannot foresee this inevitable outcome.
Why don't you take my suggestion from a reasonably unbiased position and cool it with 'hunting' other players. Just let the flying do the talking. Please.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 03:22:56 AM
What is the criteria to end up on this "hunted list" Do they put names in a hat or?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fd ski on December 12, 2023, 05:25:22 AM
I also fly F4Us exclusively, and use a unique skin, so that when someone engages me, they know who they're engaging.
Simon, it’s like I only use a Brew with same skin, so very easy to ID me. Since I'm not a good fighter don't understand these accusations but quite sure the game purpose has been affected somehow. Recently I invited my grandson to watch the game and after what happened to me and all this, he mentioned that would not like to join here. Very sad since is my favorite game to relax…
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 12, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
Simon, it’s like I only use a Brew with same skin, so very easy to ID me. Since I'm not a good fighter don't understand these accusations but quite sure the game purpose has been affected somehow. Recently I invited my grandson to watch the game and after what happened to me and all this, he mentioned that would not like to join here. Very sad since is my favorite game to relax…
Sorry to hear that, ZE. Yes, the MA has taken a turn for the worse in recent weeks, but rest assured it's just temporary.
Keep doing your thing. You are an asset to this game and one of the many reasons that there is still fun to be had.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 12, 2023, 10:19:47 AM
The important is we all enjoy this game, will like to increase the number of members and have fun. Unfortunately looks like goes in the wrong direction ☹ …..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 13, 2023, 03:11:45 AM
Well stated. The real problem for mature, sensible people is that Channel 200 exists and has plenty of willing participants. Muting it only insulates you from the typed nonsense, the keyboard bullies are still there, in there mommies basements surrounded by "participation trophies", doing their all to drive people away. It works for them, sure they revel in " got xxx to quit", but not the greatest business model..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 13, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
The important is we all enjoy this game, will like to increase the number of members and have fun. Unfortunately looks like goes in the wrong direction ☹ …..
Guess I missed that that post. Was off the forums for a bit.
I've had some fights with you and never had an issue with the way you fight. Is it possible that some of this might be a reflection on you from a couple of your squad mates? I've had some experience flying on the same side and against them.
There is guy in your squad that will clear your 12 in a 500 ias pony after you've blown your e stall fighting and are low and slow. To add insult to injury he will extend a sector after clearing your 12 and leave you on your own low and slow against any enemy that might show up.
There is also a guy in your squad that talks trash and outright lies any time he gets killed. He has a book of excuses. He'll say it was 4 vs 1 or you had 10k alt advantage when he dies even if none of it is true. He freaks out and cries for help on country whenever somebody gets on his 6. He will berate his fellow countrymen for not clearing his 6 if he dies. He's a real piece of work. Most of you will figure out who I'm referring to.
This isn't an attack on your squad, there are other squads that have similar members. I'm just saying that sometimes people associate a member of a squad with the actions of other members of their squad.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 13, 2023, 12:27:21 PM
The important is we all enjoy this game, will like to increase the number of members and have fun. Unfortunately looks like goes in the wrong direction ☹ …..
I have never had a problem with your flying, game play, or your shooting me down ( :D ). Your abilities in the Brewster are legendary, which in its self, makes you a target for those that have to explain away own failures. Looking forward to you return my friend. :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nopoop on December 13, 2023, 01:44:52 PM
I love fighting ZE. As a fellow brew pilot I know it is goin to be a great fight. I win some and lose a bunch and it is a fun time either way.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 13, 2023, 04:15:37 PM
OMG 32 pages!
You guys are feeding the trolls at this point
Let it die already..it's out of your hands
Go kill the red planes :joystick: :airplane: :old:
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 13, 2023, 04:39:16 PM
Go kill the red planes :joystick: :airplane: :old:
Eagler
I'd say it's amazing, but it's more along the lines of disturbing. Right now, they are causing more harm than he did.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 14, 2023, 08:19:25 AM
I am puzzled that some of you serial posters are complaining about this thread's existence, and in doing so bumping and lengthening it.
This subject is topical and current. Many have found it to be an interesting and enlightning read.
While it's unfortunate that it feeds Skyyr's need for attention, I believe that light should be shone on these behaviours. If you think otherwise, feel free to not read or contribute to it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 14, 2023, 08:50:57 AM
LOGIC! Please stop with the logic Simon. You might get muted if the mods hear you!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Meatwad on December 14, 2023, 10:55:13 AM
Havent had a thread this long in a long time. Reminiscent of the old BBS days
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Icer on December 14, 2023, 10:59:33 AM
I have never had a problem with your flying, game play, or your shooting me down ( :D ). Your abilities in the Brewster are legendary, which in its self, makes you a target for those that have to explain away own failures. Looking forward to you return my friend. :salute
Agreed.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: diaster on December 14, 2023, 09:52:49 PM
I thought we were supposed to believe Skyyr had changed, yet here we are, same ol' same ol' use of youtube to berate another player. The only thing that has changed is the delivery method from one dribbling idiot to the next. :old:
HiTech gain yourself some subscriptions and Re-Ban him.
Amazing shot while blacked out and going god knows ho fast. wierd how some just never miss
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: diaster on December 14, 2023, 10:36:59 PM
It is pretty entertaining to watch grown men reduce themselves to sniveling teenage girls over 1 person in a cartoon airplane game, I have to admit...
You are so right!
They get so deep in this fantasy that they actually start to (subconsciously) believe they are real pilots. So many talk about ACM and god knows what and they read about. Much of which is poorly modeled in this "game" (trim to name just one). Is it fun? hell yes. Is it modeled correctly? Only in some atributes (wing stall-spin, accelerated stall, e management). Have the many "players" figured out how to "game the game?" Yes, does that make them good pilots? Not a chance just good gamers,
Some examples, the stick stir, a crappy tactic in RL but fun to watch as they panic. Engine off is another one ( a spinning disk under torque is a better brake than a freewheeling prop in RL ad safer to, the full on set up for a ho, is yet another and I have done that too. I won't even mention Finetime doing a 720 degree roll in a b-17 in under two seconds without losing his drones. yep he was showing off. The sooner people realize this is not a test of skill so much as a test of learning what the game will allow and not allow (how some players seem to see right through the bottom of their plane still puzzles me while others can do hard g 180 nose level turns and still catch the guy that passed em doing 350 in very short order - often the same plane too). Those are the reasons not to take this game too seriously. Don't even get me started on GV tricks not remotely related to RL.
That said I have seen some guys fly their planes like they actually would be flown (to a degree) and actually use great tactics to their advantage, those are far and few in between though but are the only ones I salute. As for the guys who show up at furballs and pick a lot from alt, it just reveals what they are about.. "look at me" "look i just landed X kills" "See, I am a great stick" and that self-honoring is reflected in this thread and YouTube to a huge degree, actually it is pathetic.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 15, 2023, 02:17:59 AM
That said I have seen some guys fly their planes like they actually would be flown (to a degree) and actually use great tactics to their advantage, those are far and few in between though but are the only ones I salute. As for the guys who show up at furballs and pick a lot from alt, it just reveals what they are about.. "look at me" "look i just landed X kills" "See, I am a great stick" and that self-honoring is reflected in this thread and YouTube to a huge degree, actually it is pathetic.
This is spot on
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 15, 2023, 10:58:47 AM
Well said.
The gamiest thing I've seen is that flippy thing that some of the "good players" do when you are about to shoot them.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on December 15, 2023, 11:30:44 AM
It's the ages old landtrout maneuver performed by flopstars... annoying, yeah. Been around forever... mostly a coding issue that creates that appearance.
Used to be primarily FW's (roll rate) but I've seen it spread to numerous other airframes, implying it's known and used intentionally. I try avoid it, but I'm sure there are times when it pops up.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 15, 2023, 03:02:34 PM
It's the ages old landtrout maneuver performed by flopstars... annoying, yeah. Been around forever... mostly a coding issue that creates that appearance.
Used to be primarily FW's (roll rate) but I've seen it spread to numerous other airframes, implying it's known and used intentionally. I try avoid it, but I'm sure there are times when it pops up.
I think it's more than that..
As they cross in front of you and you finally get a shot they just roll, or turn or spin..anything to break the plane they were flying in a second ago..
Last MNM when aim assist was enabled for a bit I noticed that the aiming points didn't always lineup with the heading of the aircraft as shown on my front end..sometimes like 90 degrees off
I think that last minute movement throws off the shot as it incorrectly reports a greater change in flight paths than really occur..
I have started it and noticed an improvement of missed shots by my attackers..
As this isn't going to change I suggest everyone try it too
It is not the same rolling until the plane looks like a helicopter on my fe..it is much less noticeable than that freaking looking event imo
You won't see it if you setup aim assist offline as the targets are just flying in circles and don't make any kind of defensive movements
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on December 15, 2023, 05:27:47 PM
This is what I've been seeing, a brief, induced snap roll that coding cannot track effectively. It's pretty clear in films and is not sustained, but it makes tracking hard(er.) People have learned they can exploit it across more of the plane set. It wasn't as prevalent in the past except for fast rolling planes.
Meh.
Hope they leave aim assist on in MNM... I dunno if it helped me, but a few more times might see some impact.
As they cross in front of you and you finally get a shot they just roll, or turn or spin..anything to break the plane they were flying in a second ago..
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 15, 2023, 06:01:44 PM
lol why wouldn’t someone want to “break the plane” you’re trying to shoot at?
If you’re closing in behind me I will most likely let you closer and try for an over shoot or I will barrel roll and try to pick a turn direction you’re not ready for. Most people will over shoot but some people know my moves well enough lol… I only have a couple. Not sure if that counts.
I don’t just aimlessly flail about but I will for sure not give a flat shot if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Tumor on December 16, 2023, 04:19:31 AM
That's interesting and sheds some light on what may have been happening to me recently. Check out the AH Combat Report thread, I've posted an account of events with the film.
I'm guessing he was loitering around my field waiting to be tipped off when I was rtb to land... check it out, you might find it familiar :rofl
Gunzo
Maybe he's got a 2nd/Shade account and keeps it tucked away in YOUR Tower to watch. It's like AWACS, just to make it easier to find & harass people when he gets all butthurt about something. That dude Badboy used to do that. Ever heard of him?
:noid :rofl :noid
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 16, 2023, 06:38:17 AM
lol why wouldn’t someone want to “break the plane” you’re trying to shoot at?
If you’re closing in behind me I will most likely let you closer and try for an over shoot or I will barrel roll and try to pick a turn direction you’re not ready for. Most people will over shoot but some people know my moves well enough lol… I only have a couple. Not sure if that counts.
I don’t just aimlessly flail about but I will for sure not give a flat shot if I can avoid it.
I see it in the yt films in a climbing rolling scissors..whatever that is called..as the plane would come into/just under your sights they roll and you miss your shot..instead of just pulling through the maneuver like most do..
The aim assist has two xx's that sorted lineup where you are supposed to aim but in a turn and burn fight the path those xx's show doesn't always line up with the path the nose of the aircraft is pointing to..
Not sure if this actually causes miss shots or if it just a split second view of how the game is trying to interpret the data via the usual internet lag...or both
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Gunzo on December 16, 2023, 01:52:36 PM
Now they want you to hold still while they shoot you lol :rofl :aok you do know this is a game right?
Well, in my previous flight n 'fight platform, making evasive actions w/ C47 when attacked, was considered by some "aces" as illegal and non-acceptable. Had many "conversations" about issue in general channel.
Alrighty then! Mr. Ignorant here, I don't even know what aim assist is. What it is?
I believe they are talking about the lead compute gunsight built into AH3.
It basically tells you where you need to shoot to land hits, like the ones you find in modern jet fighters. It's enabled using an arena setting, in the main game arenas it is disabled.
You can enable it offline, to use it you use the tab button to select your target and it will show you the lead point where you need to shoot to hit it. It's good for practicing your lead. Just google it you'll find some stuff about it.
If someone ever figured out a way to enable in the MA it would be quite devastating, and great for their k/d ratio.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 17, 2023, 01:25:36 AM
lol why wouldn’t someone want to “break the plane” you’re trying to shoot at?
Eagler said: "anything to break the plane they were flying in a second ago" - as in the plane of manoeuvre. A plane in 3D space defined by your position, your lift vector and your thrust vector.
The 190-dance is a completely different thing to legitimate bunting or the Hartmann manoeuvre which uses it:
Amazing shot while blacked out and going god knows ho fast. wierd how some just never miss
Also, about this point - which has seemed to initiate a sub-discussion of aimbots etc - FFS people: Skyyr even uploaded a tutorial of how he does this. You're just seeing the results of several years of practice based on a sound technique. I've tried it myself this very week and it works. This whole pitchfork-wielding mob mentality is unhealthy to the game and community. Dale said Skyyr deserves a second chance over what amounted to a relatively innocuous infraction compared to some who are still allowed to fly here and even post in this very thread.
I did something which I'll bet never occured to the long-standing rivalry faction or the PWM group - I talked to him. Give it a try. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 17, 2023, 05:12:37 AM
I am just pointing out things that I have observed watching these yt videos and experience with some in da that can continually kick my buttocks..
It helps to understand how some things are done and what's possible with much practice
The level of accuracy achieved by some in this game is outstanding imo
It's the chest beating childish ego noises especially public facing on yt that is unhealthy for the games future imo
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on December 17, 2023, 05:33:57 AM
Except it isn't all that accurate. If you test it with a human friend you can see.
Of course, it has it's weaknesses but it certainly helps. But you can see why people wonder, especially if someone uses target locks in the DA in a 1v1 with no other aircraft around.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 18, 2023, 02:20:41 AM
I think for a percentage of players it goes like this: I should not have been shot down. I can't get my plane to do what that fellow just did and therefore, hacker!
Of course the other possibility entails hard work. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: 1stpar3 on December 18, 2023, 06:05:34 AM
lol why wouldn’t someone want to “break the plane” you’re trying to shoot at?
If you’re closing in behind me I will most likely let you closer and try for an over shoot or I will barrel roll and try to pick a turn direction you’re not ready for. Most people will over shoot but some people know my moves well enough lol… I only have a couple. Not sure if that counts.
I don’t just aimlessly flail about but I will for sure not give a flat shot if I can avoid it.
Tell me about it! :bhead How ya been, Brother? Haven't come across you of late....I am kind of missing my 'Squirrely...holy excrement...he got my ords' feller! :rofl
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 18, 2023, 08:46:56 AM
Tell me about it! :bhead How ya been, Brother? Haven't come across you of late....I am kind of missing my 'Squirrely...holy excrement...he got my ords' feller! :rofl
You killed me two nights ago lol :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Simon on December 18, 2023, 09:17:05 AM
This whole pitchfork-wielding mob mentality is unhealthy to the game and community. Dale said Skyyr deserves a second chance over what amounted to a relatively innocuous infraction compared to some who are still allowed to fly here and even post in this very thread.
I did something which I'll bet never occured to the long-standing rivalry faction or the PWM group - I talked to him. Give it a try. :old:
His second chance has resulted in the exact same "behaviours" as what got him banned in the first place. This player is a bully and an antagonist, using every chance he gets to harrass other players. The constant crowing on ch200 with dubious claims to protect his ego, plus the carefully selected and edited clips on YouTube with derogatory comments and misleading titles is another part of that compulsion. If anything, he is more brazen now than ever, empowered by sycophants and wannabes.
It has nothing to do with his flying technique, skills, or lack thereof. I am surprised and disappointed that anyone tries to defend this player when it is so painfully obvious that he is intent upon making other people's experiences in the game less enjoyable.
It is no secret that I did not agree with the decision to unban him, if for no other reason than the fact that he exhibited these same characteristics during his frequent returns under various shade accounts over the years. The very fact that he manipulated HTC to circumvent his ban, numerous times, should have been reason enough not to reverse it.
Nevertheless, I was hopeful that he would embrace the opportunity and behave in a more mature manner under the light of day. That hope died very, very quickly.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 18, 2023, 09:55:37 AM
His second chance has resulted in the exact same "behaviours" as what got him banned in the first place. This player is a bully and an antagonist, using every chance he gets to harrass other players. The constant crowing on ch200 with dubious claims to protect his ego, plus the carefully selected and edited clips on YouTube with derogatory comments and misleading titles is another part of that compulsion. If anything, he is more brazen now than ever, empowered by sycophants and wannabes.
It has nothing to do with his flying technique, skills, or lack thereof. I am surprised and disappointed that anyone tries to defend this player when it is so painfully obvious that he is intent upon making other people's experiences in the game less enjoyable.
It is no secret that I did not agree with the decision to unban him, if for no other reason than the fact that he exhibited these same characteristics during his frequent returns under various shade accounts over the years. The very fact that he manipulated HTC to circumvent his ban, numerous times, should have been reason enough not to reverse it.
Nevertheless, I was hopeful that he would embrace the opportunity and behave in a more mature manner under the light of day. That hope died very, very quickly.
Translation: "Skyyr has screwed up my griefing racket by killing me too much. Waaaaaaaaaah!"
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on December 18, 2023, 11:02:20 AM
Sounds like he is still a turd. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: nrshida on December 18, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
It'd be nice if we could all get along, but naive to not know that a game such as this (or any predecessor) is likely to lead to long-standing and irreconcilable feuds. All I'd point out is there is a lot of unexamined assumption regarding the ban the OP mentions. Obviously HiTech himself is responsible for monitoring fair play. That does not necessarily extend to keeping certain players away from each other in the arenas. It's a jungle out there.
I've had my share of people / groups trying to 'get that bastard shida'. For what? Just outflying them outnumbered on the deck in the olden days. Of course it's up to you how much of the crowing / bragging / insulting / griefing you take on board or indulge in. Nowadays I just try to reflect on my flying and get a new plane. It's the nature of many things to go full circle.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fudgums on December 18, 2023, 01:15:23 PM
Been online, and haven't seen any of that. Be an adult and mute it.
200 has been a taunting watermelon show for a month now. I turn it off now just because it's full of "I got u" "nuh uh I got u!" Type of BS in already low quality 200.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on December 18, 2023, 04:50:44 PM
By come across, I meant dance lol Think that was a proxy, hitting tree right behind 2nd ord bunker? Eh, I dont keep up with text window, unless it was a good tussle :cheers:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2023, 09:56:13 AM
You barely if ever flew anyway,.. ya really made no change, and here ya are. Drama
I don't fly much either. But my money supports the game. When my home flooded during Harvey, I didn't fly for over a year..... but my money supported the game. According to you, we should all stop supporting the game if we do not fly much. I am seriously contemplating that. All you people whining and fighting is getting old.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on December 19, 2023, 10:05:03 AM
$4,126 at least...not figuring when it was $29.95..
Best entertainment $$$ I have spent over the last 23 years...
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: scott66 on December 19, 2023, 10:30:30 AM
$4,126 at least...not figuring when it was $29.95..
Best entertainment $$$ I have spent over the last 23 years...
Eagler
$3,600 for me and I totally agree! Between the game the BBS and ch200 I'm running out of popcorn
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JimmyD3 on December 19, 2023, 11:06:40 AM
Shuffler, :salute sir
Use the Ignore list, mine keeps expanding. Seems like most of the whines are coming from those that DON"T EVEN PLAY the game anymore. Who really cares what they think or say for that matter, :rofl
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on December 19, 2023, 01:29:07 PM
Use the Ignore list, mine keeps expanding. Seems like most of the whines are coming from those that DON"T EVEN PLAY the game anymore. Who really cares what they think or say for that matter, :rofl
I only have 5 on that list. Of those 5 only one still plays. The others just infect the boards.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on December 20, 2023, 10:56:35 AM
I don't fly much either. But my money supports the game. When my home flooded during Harvey, I didn't fly for over a year..... but my money supported the game. According to you, we should all stop supporting the game if we do not fly much. I am seriously contemplating that. All you people whining and fighting is getting old.
Not my point nor POV at all. Last time this was said it was already done blaming me. Yet it was him and his buddy badgering me for 7 mos. 90% of locked threads has the same name causing it and I’m not in all of them. Yet if I drfend myself I take their well deserved heat. The defender takes the blame. What some are suggesting I should just lay down and take it. The same two have been causing undue drama long before I returned, I’m just s new target. I’ve been informed properly by someone above my pay grade. If the community had any nads they would have been put in their place, therefore I have to defending myself while others sit in hands. Yall watch me take it then complain I don’t just let them walk all over me. I had no problems with anyone, until I tried to help, that went against their agenda. They live that they wrap the bbs up in knits. Its intentional, to keep negative threads on top. Yet some defend them while they kick trash cans over fir laughs. I have no sympathy for that type, yall do. I go against their negative agenda so they focus on chasing me away. There is sbsolutely no other reason why they focus on me.
>I< have one foot out the door because yall do nothing but watch me clobbered fir trying to help.
Thats not going to stop when I leave. It didn’t start when I came back, they been doing this for a while. Yall just don’t like what it looks like when someone has the nads to stand up to them. They throw a fit because I do, yall throw on me watching it. They should have been shamed out of here long before I returned. They won’t stop when I leave, they’ll just attack anyone that goes against their negative agenda. They are NOT here for anything else.Chasing people from the game for a migration to their’s is yhe goal, no matter how much they make it stink.
Now I decide not to help to avoid their child crap. They won, the ran my help iff snd laugh about it.
If yall think its me I’m in the wrong game and community. Because thats backwards. Maybe I should just be a gutless coward and dump all dignity to please a crowd not willing to take out the trash. This is on you ppl too. squeak at me for fixing what others allowed to be broken.
All yours, don’t blame me for what you accepted way too long and just sit and watch. The way I see it, yall let me down. Now I just fly, nothing more.
I’m sure I won’t be here much longer, they will, deal with it yourselves. Totally disheartened.
Don’t blame me cause ya ain’t got the nads to do the right thing.
Makes me sick i even wrote this. Yall either want to save the game or you don’t, you decide.
Bad thing happen when good ppl do nothing.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 21, 2023, 08:54:05 AM
Good grief you’re not a victim. You’re part of what turns people off.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on December 21, 2023, 11:46:03 AM
Good grief you’re not a victim. You’re part of what turns people off.
Besides the fact you opinion means nothing to me, again, here you are stirring the posts, you’ve been called out on this several times. You provoke and slander.
Worry about what Skyr dud 9 yrs ago, forget what Dolby and CotTrips are doing today. They are no better than what I heard about Skyr..
You slandered me too with Sexual Preditor you are also taking part in online defamation. Not one damn thing innicent about you. I WILL handle this issue. You should toejam up or buckle up.
You’re in this to jeep provoking me. You are a problem. You’re full of it. Maybe if you stayed out of ut it would go away faster.
Your crap tight niw just feeds the stigmatizing. Grow ip
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on December 21, 2023, 12:16:42 PM
Posting while drinking is not recommended kiddos :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Dadtallica on December 21, 2023, 12:21:01 PM
Besides the fact you opinion means nothing to me, again, here you are stirring the posts, you’ve been called out on this several times. You provoke and slander.
Worry about what Skyr dud 9 yrs ago, forget what Dolby and CotTrips are doing today. They are no better than what I heard about Skyr..
You slandered me too with Sexual Preditor you are also taking part in online defamation. Not one damn thing innicent about you. I WILL handle this issue. You should toejam up or buckle up.
You’re in this to jeep provoking me. You are a problem. You’re full of it. Maybe if you stayed out of ut it would go away faster.
Your crap tight niw just feeds the stigmatizing. Grow ip
You have sent sexually explicit pms to people I have not. I will await your lawyers letter with silly anticipation.
You mean if I stayed out of it by not pointing out your consistent hypocrisy?
Also some of what you’re implying seem like threats? Should I assume as such? We have lawyers here in NY too you know. :aok
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: CptTrips on December 21, 2023, 12:23:28 PM
Besides the fact you opinion means nothing to me, again, here you are stirring the posts, you’ve been called out on this several times. You provoke and slander.
Worry about what Skyr dud 9 yrs ago, forget what Dolby and CotTrips are doing today. They are no better than what I heard about Skyr..
You slandered me too with Sexual Preditor you are also taking part in online defamation. Not one damn thing innicent about you. I WILL handle this issue. You should toejam up or buckle up.
You’re in this to jeep provoking me. You are a problem. You’re full of it. Maybe if you stayed out of ut it would go away faster.
Your crap tight niw just feeds the stigmatizing. Grow ip
Brilliant, genius. Can you explain to everyone the legal theory on how an anonymous avatar can be defamed? Did you think that one through? LoL.
Animl will never rest until he has made every thread about him.
I have no skin in this game, and have made the decision to stay away based on all this nonsense. Why would I spend money on a poor flight model, 20 year old graphics, abandonment by the owner and waaaay to much childish nonsense. At the end at least with IL-2, IL-2 Clod, DCS and BMS I own something. You have already lost to WarBlunder, and it's minions of air-quake millennials, time to move on.. There you go Animal whatever, when you sober up you can retort.. I'm history, adios .
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Spikes on December 21, 2023, 02:48:48 PM
I have no skin in this game, and have made the decision to stay away based on all this nonsense. Why would I spend money on a poor flight model, 20 year old graphics, abandonment by the owner and waaaay to much childish nonsense. At the end at least with IL-2, IL-2 Clod, DCS and BMS I own something. You have already lost to WarBlunder, and it's minions of air-quake millennials, time to move on.. There you go Animal whatever, when you sober up you can retort.. I'm history, adios .
You know, you don't need to justify leaving. Just leave.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 21, 2023, 03:23:47 PM
I have no skin in this game, and have made the decision to stay away based on all this nonsense. Why would I spend money on a poor flight model, 20 year old graphics, abandonment by the owner and waaaay to much childish nonsense. At the end at least with IL-2, IL-2 Clod, DCS and BMS I own something. You have already lost to WarBlunder, and it's minions of air-quake millennials, time to move on.. There you go Animal whatever, when you sober up you can retort.. I'm history, adios .
What's poor about the flight model? I've only flown one time in a Tomahawk with my brother so I don't know one way or the other.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on December 21, 2023, 03:24:23 PM
I have no skin in this game, and have made the decision to stay away based on all this nonsense. Why would I spend money on a poor flight model, 20 year old graphics, abandonment by the owner and waaaay to much childish nonsense. At the end at least with IL-2, IL-2 Clod, DCS and BMS I own something. You have already lost to WarBlunder, and it's minions of air-quake millennials, time to move on.. There you go Animal whatever, when you sober up you can retort.. I'm history, adios .
I am curious, do you ever fly those planes you "own" in other games or around your neighborhood? Where do you park them? Just asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on December 21, 2023, 04:20:03 PM
It's proper and right to give people a second chance, if they've acted repentant of previous behavior. But HT doesn't seem to monitor complaints closely any more. So the most likely result of this player's return is that things will go smoothly for a while, and then he will regress to his previous behavior. And nothing will be done, and some long term subscribers might be driven off as a result.
Like I said. My two cents.
Looks like I was prescient.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on December 24, 2023, 06:25:47 PM
I found something interesting. I logged onto a server on another game I play and there was a bunch of hunting people, changing sides to fight people BS and at the same time complaining about the numbers being low on the server... I wonder if somehow the two things might be related...
Needless to say. I didn't stick around.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: mthrockmor on December 27, 2023, 12:37:08 PM
I recognize the name, remember flying with him. Nine years is long enough!
Good call!
Boo
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: capera on January 18, 2024, 09:38:24 AM
You must hold an incredible amount of self hatred with your current criteria.
YOU should not speak on that subject. You’ve caused more harm on these boards wiyh your 15-37 page dramas than skyr ever did. Pot meet kettle. If you hate Skyr in such a deep way, then you should acquire a bathroom mirror. Still today, you continue, he does not. How many times will you leave unless we all do as you say. Shut up.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on January 18, 2024, 12:51:46 PM
YOU should not speak on that subject. You’ve caused more harm on these boards wiyh your 15-37 page dramas than skyr ever did. Pot meet kettle. If you hate Skyr in such a deep way, then you should acquire a bathroom mirror. Still today, you continue, he does not. How many times will you leave unless we all do as you say. Shut up.
Nurse he's out and on the loose again!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Palace Cobra on January 18, 2024, 01:23:43 PM
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on January 23, 2024, 11:26:23 AM
Is he gone yet? :devil
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shuffler on January 23, 2024, 12:19:24 PM
No idea..... I still have not seen him back.... under that name.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on January 23, 2024, 12:55:40 PM
It seems he was all about his ego, so once he got validation by returning and did his victory lap in the MA, he left...
or perhaps (unlikely) he did change his name - but shades generally come out because human nature and habits.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on January 23, 2024, 01:54:06 PM
It was mentioned in the MA few days ago, when asked, that he was booted. I dunno, he kept his ducks in a row when I was there, and rumors are just that. Guess it's between him and HT, or not. Not my monkey, not my circus. Neither had an effect on my game play or life. <Shrug>
Not a great thread to keep on top, but we're all guilty of that stuff.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on January 26, 2024, 12:06:04 PM
I'm still here. Spent the last month or so in Ukraine and Turkey. Not much time for gaming when you've got air raid warnings 24/7.
<S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on January 26, 2024, 12:13:43 PM
I still firmly believe limiting what planes can be flown will cause more people to log off than anything, further reducing the numbers. There are too many players that already log when ENY gets up on one side instead of switching sides or flying more challenging planes. And there's a reason the EW and MW arenas were not as populated as the LW arenas.
Because god forbid people switch sides. The blind cartoon country loyalty here is amusing. Nvm the perk bonus if your on auto switch. 50 perks a sortie easily with 100 being semi common. For those complaining about perk birds still but never affording it
Side not rooks are the worst to fight now. I don’t mind 10k fights but 20-25k just to run? We must have different opinions on what’s enjoyable
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on February 06, 2024, 11:36:25 AM
Let's see how many you land outnumbered 6 to 1. Heck, let's see how many you even kill.
Circumstances tell the real story. 1) I have unfixable stick issues. 2) I’m sure I’m outnumbered 6 or 8 to 1 on a regular basis well more than you, since its your horde outnumbering me, while some of you only attack someone distracted in s fight. Cherry picking for points. 3) Yes I get kills or at least strike several in your horde. I do recall striking 3 of 5 while yall hugged field guns. Yep, I’ll go in after yas. Because I don’t have much of a score to baby. 4) And yes, I have killed you in 1-1, and I suck. 5) I won’t bother landing kills less than 3
And since I WILL chase into guns landing is rare.
Believe it or not, several times rated top 5 in AW, briefly even #1.
New stick, we going to duel :) Yus guys don’t out fly me as much as my stick won’t let me kill you.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: icepac on February 06, 2024, 05:11:53 PM
You are hot to defend that guy almost as if yo are his sidekick.
He's a good stick. You just like to carp at him from the cheap seats.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Bopgun on February 06, 2024, 06:15:56 PM
Ghost of Kuiche?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on February 06, 2024, 06:37:05 PM
I think this entire thread is blown out of proportion, bordering ridiculous.
My run-ins with Skyr since he's been back has been more "normal" than a lot of players who are complaining about him.
It's not what anyone says, or does, that will get him removed again, it's what HE does or doesn't do that tells that story. This is up to him and HT. Yall should get a grip on this concept. It's not your call. 9 years is a long time. It's not like HT let him back after 2 weeks, like some got off easy with. i know a crap load of people who did a lot more worse things than him, grew up or wise, and don't do it anymore. If you can turn your own sinking boat around, I can't not respect that. Second chance isn't immunity, he still plays by the same rules as all of us. He should be held in contempt no less than yourselves.
I wasn't here, so I'm ignorant to the past. But what I see now shouldn't bother anyone, yet. Grudges are toxic to your own body, won't harm him a bit.
The more that pile on him, the more will think, "oh come on, he can't be that bad", "I've seen worse". Why stay angry at someone who just sins differently than we do?
Relax, live and let live. Life is just too short.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on February 07, 2024, 08:01:47 AM
I hope this means your feuds with CptTrips and Dadtallica are drawing to a close :salute
Dad wasn’t near the problem. He just repeated. We all know this issues I have with the other, he chooses to keep on keeping on skimming. What he said to me out of desperation is not easily forgiven. Most the stuff Skyr did, didn’t directly affect many who complain., they are hung up on principle. I’ve got bigger fish to fry. Caught your point.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 05, 2024, 09:19:19 AM
You all are getting played by a player who can’t seem to land many missions.
Landing is counterproductive to the way scoring is effectively calculated. If you fly more than just a handful of sorties, ditching is preferred. But personally, I'd be more concerned with one's ability to fight 1v1.
Landing is counterproductive to the way scoring is effectively calculated. If you fly more than just a handful of sorties, ditching is preferred. But personally, I'd be more concerned with one's ability to fight 1v1.
Ukraine never needed pilots, except briefly back in 2022 for some temporary/sporadic logistics.
Keeping the attention on you still? You can let this thread die now...
glad Ukraine has it covered...
Good fights yesterday in ma <S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: captain1ma on March 05, 2024, 10:05:33 AM
i land by skidding onto the runway. you know you're going to get a new plane anyway, unless you're refueling and going back up. i dont!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: waystin2 on March 05, 2024, 11:51:43 AM
He was called out (incorrectly) and set the record straight.
You people sure do cry a lot when someone RESPONDS to your challenge.
:ahand
TBH, he was referring to not landing missions. He did not mention score.
To be fair. In Skyyrs case, if he was playing for score, he could get away with ditching or dying, as his points would be high due to the amount of sorties he has. Though his K/D does hurt him a bit. In my case, I'm lucky to play 10 hours a month with 10-20 sorties, so landing is very important to me in order to get the points necessary to rank higher. The occasional death/ditch does help the K/H a bit though. Points in scoring has always been my weakness due to lack of time played.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on March 06, 2024, 02:52:59 PM
The ditch and death relating to kill per time has alot to do with how far you flew to a fight, and if it's worth flying home as well. Kills per time also has a lot to do with when you play. If you play early, the kills are far spread out compared to PM.
If he gets jumped by 8 guys 25 miles from home, kills them all and wants to ditch, it would help his kills per time, per sortie, and his K/d.
But stats in this game are pretty moot. If you want to measure dicks with someone how they play in the MA.. look at their kills per time.
If one is a couple inches shorter, go to the DA. (Whip it out)
Most of all, have fun.
3rd of all, quit posting here. Vraciu reminds me of splasher and 00pk when he gets on his knees for someone who would knee him the the face after the fact.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 06, 2024, 03:03:42 PM
The ditch and death relating to kill per time has alot to do with how far you flew to a fight, and if it's worth flying home as well. Kills per time also has a lot to do with when you play. If you play early, the kills are far spread out compared to PM.
This is my issue as well. I get lots of kills then the action dies and I wind up droning around in a futile attempt to find a fight. K/H takes a massive hit.
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But stats in this game are pretty moot.
Not to mention a pretty flawed system of ranking greatness. Plenty of good pilots rank low and vice versa. I'd prefer to see scores as a lifetime deal that only the player can see. That would remove a lot of the toxicity related to ranking. I'm only competing against myself any way at the end of the day.
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Most of all, have fun.
^^^^^^^This.
:salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on March 06, 2024, 03:11:52 PM
Ranking and scoring are different.
You can score a 250 k/d in a fighter a do nothing else the rest of the tour. You will above 200 overall, and probably around 100 in fighter rank.
If you want to rank 1 overall, just milkrun between 3am and 12pm cst, a d fly fast fighters when the action picks up.
Don't forget to capture an undefended with both a c47 and m3 a few times in that 3am to 12pm window.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on March 06, 2024, 03:51:54 PM
<peaks in >
Good to see everyone is back to “normal”. A few wuite days around here, was startin to worry bout yall. Competing with the other thread?
Huh! <slowly closes door>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 06, 2024, 03:52:15 PM
Keep in mind that 1v1 skill is different than MA skill. MA has a lot of different situations and unfairness and SA that should be taken into play. That's why I feel like a player who ranks high mid war planes are far more superior to players who rank high in super late war fast cannon planes. I do wish ENY per planes was taken into ranking #s. 1v1 takes a different skill set and understanding to be successful. You don't have to be the best at 1v1 to be the best in the MA and vice versa.
As Lazer mentioned. It is pretty darn easy to rank high overall if you have time and understand the gameplay. That's why I only play in fighters. It's the one rank that actually does take some skill to get top 5 and #1. It use to be more competitive when more people played, and my points issue really hurt me then. The other categories can be farmed pretty easily if you have the time. I've always hated vehicles so I never liked playing that category.
I don't believe rank is really that big of a factor in how people play. Timidness is natural. And most people don't know ACM. And therefore most people hardly even know what they are doing when someone engages them. Flying the easiest fastest planes is not due to score, but do to being able to stay alive. People want to stay alive rather than die because it's a far distance back to the fight.
I actually enjoy the scoring just to add some competition and be able to compare yourself with stats if you'd like. I like that score changes every month to give players a chance to be at the top. Lifetime scoring hardly ever changes and is generally manipulated with who has 180 hours a month to play. AH has never been about competitive scoring so you can't look at someone's #s and take them at face value per their actual skill. You mostly see people's real skill by coming across them in the MA one way or another. There are a lot of pretty great sticks who don't care at all about their #s.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 07, 2024, 08:41:51 AM
Lifetime stats are what I want to see.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Shane on March 07, 2024, 08:53:53 AM
There are 1 or 2 players who can do this for you, but you need all your names and tours and hope they have the time to do it for you... I think fugitive is one.. maybe tongs.
Keep in mind that 1v1 skill is different than MA skill. MA has a lot of different situations and unfairness and SA that should be taken into play. That's why I feel like a player who ranks high mid war planes are far more superior to players who rank high in super late war fast cannon planes. I do wish ENY per planes was taken into ranking #s. 1v1 takes a different skill set and understanding to be successful. You don't have to be the best at 1v1 to be the best in the MA and vice versa.
This x1,000
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on March 07, 2024, 10:24:08 AM
I agree with this. Seems there are many "picker" pilots and squads these days.
If you're able to run down one of these "picker" rocket planes usually you'll find that most are very lacking in ACM abilities. I've found that high ponies are usually no threat unless you get tangled up in a fight and even then they weren't that good a actually hitting you on their 500mph passes that were usually followed by extending a sector.
I was wary of the low ponies however as those guys tended to know how to fight.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on March 07, 2024, 10:48:19 AM
I agree with this. Seems there are many "picker" pilots and squads these days.
If you're able to run down one of these "picker" rocket planes usually you'll find that most are very lacking in ACM abilities. I've found that high ponies are usually no threat unless you get tangled up in a fight and even then they weren't that good a actually hitting you on their 500mph passes that were usually followed by extending a sector.
I was wary of the low ponies however as those guys tended to know how to fight.
Fly a plane how it was designed to fly. P-51 was not designed for on deck TnB.
Then again, we gave K4 30mm used to HO. Pick your poison.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Banshee7 on March 07, 2024, 01:04:04 PM
It wasn't designed for it, but ponies are super fun low and slow!!!
Been there 1000 times. Its all good until a plane designed for TnB is on your 6. I know, why I have a high no landing and death rate. I have a habit of taking it where it should not be. lol
It’s a BnZ plane.
Pilots who hate it the most, fly TnB planes.
That said, I can throw out a troll line and drag 4-5 of those almost anywhere. As soon as 3 peel off I’m flipping for the loner. :) I never just keep running.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Lazerr on March 07, 2024, 02:00:20 PM
Been there 1000 times. Its all good until a plane designed for TnB is on your 6. I know, why I have a high no landing and death rate. I have a habit of taking it where it should not be. lol
It’s a BnZ plane.
Pilots who hate it the most, fly TnB planes.
That said, I can throw out a troll line and drag 4-5 of those almost anywhere. As soon as 3 peel off I’m flipping for the loner. :) I never just keep running.
BigR, bunnies, the-stig can show you otherwise.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 07, 2024, 04:44:57 PM
Stig is in the Jug these days.
I'm very good 1 v 1 in a 51 (I was better with my MSSW than this VKB--I need looser springs for when I'm hanging on the buffet/horn). The problem is once you get it slow you are going to be stuck there for a very long time and almost always get picked. It simply does not accelerate well with engine power alone.
About the only way I can get 1 v 1s in the thing is to arrange them late at night with the lower numbers.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Animl-AW on March 07, 2024, 06:54:01 PM
I'm very good 1 v 1 in a 51 (I was better with my MSSW than this VKB--I need looser springs for when I'm hanging on the buffet/horn). The problem is once you get it slow you are going to be stuck there for a very long time and almost always get picked. It simply does not accelerate well with engine power alone.
About the only way I can get 1 v 1s in the thing is to arrange them late at night with the lower numbers.
Yep, not a wise to hang more than 2-3 turns. If you don’t extend you’re just becoming a pinnate. Yet, I always end up in 3-5 to 1. Builds character I guess. But since I don’t worry about points I might fly mire recklessly.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on March 08, 2024, 01:13:03 PM
I agree with this. Seems there are many "picker" pilots and squads these days.
If you're able to run down one of these "picker" rocket planes usually you'll find that most are very lacking in ACM abilities. I've found that high ponies are usually no threat unless you get tangled up in a fight and even then they weren't that good a actually hitting you on their 500mph passes that were usually followed by extending a sector.
I was wary of the low ponies however as those guys tended to know how to fight.
well said, and sadly this will be a somewhat long reply.
Most of the high alt monkeys and cannon birds tend to run when u get co-alt. Take for example the D-9, it is a hunting machine not a knife fighter despite the great roll rate. any smart (at that moment lol) d-9 pilot will extend for turning room and re-engage or simply find another target. They are best deployed as a picking platform, That's why you see them often trailing a horde or coming in high against a lower enemy. IMHO the best fighter in the game is the F4u-4 if it can't outrun you it can out turn you. If it can't catch you, it can climb faster and wait for you to come back, a great machine for hunting 20k doras and ponys. A contender for high alt fighting is the Jug
Down low the spit 16 is great for taking on a dora because it too has a great roll rate and any spit an easily out-turn (sustained) a dora, pony, tempest etc. That is why those aircraft tend to run off when faced with a co-alt spit, unless they know (through their discord channel via their mate flying on the enemy side calling out the target's names). See this in action when you see "the fast birds" cleaning up conscripts like crazy if its not vulching that is. The spit is not a noob plane as these "cannon guys" will try to discredit it. It is an excellent plane but can be beaten. A German ace killed over a 100 of them with a BF-109 in the Battle of Britain and the later Normandy Invasion.
I have seen a few youtube videos where one player (I won't even call him a pilot) is talking with a buddy who is on discord (or similar) with him and who is flying on the opposite side, calling out the names of the pilots taking off or chasing him. Knowing who you are fighting is a HUGE advantage and in this case is cheating. This same player has also had others "join his aircraft" to watch his six and give him flight guidance while passed out from a pilot wound, All in the name of "High kill count" The funny part, this guy has the gall or lack of wisdom to post these videos usually entitled "I killed so and so x times" as a pathetic display of ego. His being killed is always "screen to black" and yes I have killed this dude 1 v 1 after his 200 rant of "duel me."
However, I won't do this as I have seen his duels and somehow his ride is always 50mph+ faster than his opponent flying straight and level to the merge. Anyway back to the fight. I came across his LA-7 in my spit, I was co-alt so he turned and ran, instead of chasing him i turned away knowing as I turned and he would turn back to run me down in the faster ride, so I turned back to face him, now he is committed due to range and so we dueled and I cut him in half after three merges with a right rudder deflection shot. I was lucky his picker buddies weren't close enough to save him. Before he comments in here to try and discredit this, there was no one else within 5k and it was him and me only. Honestly though it could have gone the other way as well. Anyway I am tending to rant here, point is many of these cannon jockeys and alt-monkeys either ho or run when you are co-alt with them and when forced to actually fight are like anyone else, they can be outflown lol.
Tip1 - Kill the high fast LA-7s, Tempests, Ponies, F4Us and D-9s first, work together -they do. If not they will pick you or if on your team "clear your 12" Tip2 - Film everything (it doesn't hurt frame rate "ctrl-r" or set to auto) and set aside time after flight to watch learn their tactics. If something suspect happens, you have the film. If there was nothing of interest, just don't save it when you land or get shot. Tip 3 For god's sake quite upping from a field they have control over - you are just helping their kill count hurting yours. Go to a nearby field get a fast bird, meet them co-alt and they will leave, works every time.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 08, 2024, 01:56:09 PM
It's always funny to see Thor write a paranoid rant about planes going 50+ mph faster than his. Mashing the rudder to get shots does that lil buddy.
Some things never change.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on March 08, 2024, 03:15:06 PM
Funny, diaster didn't mention the name of a player he was writing about but someone seemed to recognize himself.
I don't think my reply mentioned anything about anyone, except the poster having paranoia of thinking planes go faster for X players. You may want to re-read that reply.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on March 08, 2024, 04:43:01 PM
Skyyr
I am curious do you up or down elevator to be able to climb like you do or is your e state always better than your previous maneuvers might indicate
You clean my clock way more than I do yours..
Understand if you don't want to let your secrets out
<S>
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 08, 2024, 04:57:00 PM
I am curious do you up or down elevator to be able to climb like you do or is your e state always better than your previous maneuvers might indicate
You clean my clock way more than I do yours..
Understand if you don't want to let your secrets out
<S>
Eagler
The up/down elevator trim (or any variation of such) has no practical effect on climbing.
I try to always mask my E-state by flying indirect angles at the merge.
You likely know these things, but I'll iterate over them briefly so that the answer makes a bit more sense.
1) The most important aspect in a fight is the merge. The merge dictates the tactics you'll use in the fight. 2) Therefore, energy state is the most important practical factor that you can control. 3) The second most practical factor is the aircraft you're flying; but, once the fight has begun, you can't change this. This simply dictates the set(s) of tactics you have at your disposal.
If you're flying dissimilar aircraft, then the energy state isn't about airspeed at the merge, because your aircraft will bleed speed differently; therefore, energy state is about your airspeed and how you manage it when when you or opponent obtains (or could obtain) a guns solution.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on March 08, 2024, 05:45:49 PM
Having outstanding accuracy to boot :airplane:
Thanks for explaining the e part
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: hazmatt on March 08, 2024, 08:33:52 PM
Most of the high alt monkeys and cannon birds tend to run when u get co-alt. Take for example the D-9, it is a hunting machine not a knife fighter despite the great roll rate. any smart (at that moment lol) d-9 pilot will extend for turning room and re-engage or simply find another target.
I used to fly the D9 or 262 and hunt the pickers. One of my favorite was when I ran down a tempest with a 262 and he didn't expect me to slow down and turnfight him 1vs1. I got a lucky shot an he died. Another was when I chased down a pony on deck with a D9. He demonstrated why he was a member of one of the picker squads by flailing around for a minute before he died.
I've found that I could beat the majority of ponies in a stall fight on the deck using the climb rate but fighting anybody with skill in a pony was going to be tough.
There are some decent D9 pilots that are not pickers but they are also very good at keeping the d9 at corner and managing their energy (much better then I am) I get impatient and get myself killed lol.
I agree that the f4u4 is great other then being a gas hog with a single fuel tank that didn't seem to be very durable. lolz
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on March 09, 2024, 03:39:45 AM
^ My dogfighting skills are bit below nonexistent, but sometimes even I succeed to down a picker. Few times I've been genuinely wondering, why con in front of me makes practically no evasive actions. That has normally happened in a chase at deck, after con has picked our field, tries to run and I have taken D9 or 109 K4 for speed.
I'd like to fly more with early and mid-war kites in MA, but it is pretty frustrating against überkites dropping down from stratosphere and having in level speed advantage of a hare against tortoise.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: captain1ma on March 09, 2024, 07:16:10 AM
i wish i could master E like that Skyyr. maybe i wouldnt suck so bad hehehe. BUT I HAVE FUN!
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: JOACH1M on March 09, 2024, 07:44:31 AM
You should come back. Need some actual competition in here.
I think about getting back into it all the time. I think next week when I’m back home I’ll hop on. I’ll be sure to find ya. I miss the back and forth fights we had back in the day.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Zacherof on March 09, 2024, 09:46:42 AM
The up/down elevator trim (or any variation of such) has no practical effect on climbing.
I try to always mask my E-state by flying indirect angles at the merge.
You likely know these things, but I'll iterate over them briefly so that the answer makes a bit more sense.
1) The most important aspect in a fight is the merge. The merge dictates the tactics you'll use in the fight. 2) Therefore, energy state is the most important practical factor that you can control. 3) The second most practical factor is the aircraft you're flying; but, once the fight has begun, you can't change this. This simply dictates the set(s) of tactics you have at your disposal.
If you're flying dissimilar aircraft, then the energy state isn't about airspeed at the merge, because your aircraft will bleed speed differently; therefore, energy state is about your airspeed and how you manage it when when you or opponent obtains (or could obtain) a guns solution.
That latter part is always something I throw out the window
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on March 09, 2024, 09:56:57 AM
If you manual trim elevator excessively either up or down you will not be able to climb as you will with trim properly set
Eagler
There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on March 09, 2024, 11:52:20 AM
There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.
Skyyr you fly the La7 quite a bit and I can't help notice how smooth your flight path is no matter where the nose is pointed. I find the wing slats, when deployed, create annoying nose bounce. Hoe do you compensate for that?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on March 09, 2024, 12:12:50 PM
There are no trim tabs in AH. Trim simply sets the control surface to a set default deflection, so setting it up or down doesn't give you more travel or better performance.
? So when I trim all the way up and I get around much faster than if I didn't, this is all imagined?
I lose speed like crazy but I turn much quicker
How is that happening if it's not the trim adjustment?
If it doesn't matter why is your ct usually off in your videos?
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 09, 2024, 12:36:25 PM
? So when I trim all the way up and I get around much faster than if I didn't, this is all imagined?
Yes. Go into a flat turn at a sustained max rate. Now trim up. Relax the stick. Nothing changes. Perhaps there's some mechanic that allows a quicker input time, but I've never needed nor used that.
If it doesn't matter why is your ct usually off in your videos?
Personal preference. I always have the aircraft in trim for my flight profile. AH trim only works in straight and level flight with an undamaged aircraft. Manual trim lets me get it correct.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 09, 2024, 01:10:30 PM
I think about getting back into it all the time. I think next week when I’m back home I’ll hop on. I’ll be sure to find ya. I miss the back and forth fights we had back in the day.
I agree. You need to come back.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 09, 2024, 05:14:48 PM
Skyyr you fly the La7 quite a bit and I can't help notice how smooth your flight path is no matter where the nose is pointed. I find the wing slats, when deployed, create annoying nose bounce. Hoe do you compensate for that?
The slats come out when airflow over the wing drops below a certain threshold. This mostly occurs at low speed or high angles of attack. Slow, consistent inputs prevent the slats from erratically deploying during maneuvering and it makes their deployment much more predictable.
Put another way, be gentle on the stick and avoid abrupt, high AoA maneuvers / bleeding airspeed if possible.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on March 10, 2024, 04:52:23 PM
The slats come out when airflow over the wing drops below a certain threshold. This mostly occurs at low speed or high angles of attack. Slow, consistent inputs prevent the slats from erratically deploying during maneuvering and it makes their deployment much more predictable.
Put another way, be gentle on the stick and avoid abrupt, high AoA maneuvers / bleeding airspeed if possible.
Thanks for the feedback. Would you mind sharing your recommendations on aileron/elevator scaling, damping & deadband? :salute
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on March 10, 2024, 04:59:03 PM
Personal preference. I always have the aircraft in trim for my flight profile. AH trim only works in straight and level flight with an undamaged aircraft. Manual trim lets me get it correct.
Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?
Appreciate it :rock
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 10, 2024, 06:44:26 PM
Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?
Appreciate it :rock
There's no point in using manual trim if you have combat trim enabled. I use combat trim to quickly "zero" an approximation of where trim should be, then I turn it off and manually adjust it. I have all 3 axes of trim mapped to my hatswitch.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fd ski on March 11, 2024, 04:35:26 AM
Would you please elaborate on this...i.e. AH trim vs manual trim? I have rudder & elevator trim set to one of the 4-way hats on a CH throttle. Is it best to turn off combat trim before inputting trim?
Appreciate it :rock
optimal trim ( especially rudder ) will change during the flight depending on maneuver/engine power/angles etc. If you hit "auto trim", it will take second or two, level your wings, generally unadvisable in combat. hitting CT on and off gives you perfectly trimmed aircraft right away, no matter what position you're in.
I guess there is an argument to be made for having a macro toggle it on and off every couple seconds, though it feels "gamey"....
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Eagler on March 11, 2024, 08:22:56 AM
Any manual trim input turns ct off automatically
My improperly trimmed plane cannot climb with one that is
Skyyr is unique as the majority of the time he can outclimb his opponents...most with ease, while some barely then his uncanny accuracy usually finishes the encounter within a shot or two
Eagler
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Max on March 11, 2024, 09:20:46 AM
My improperly trimmed plane cannot climb with one that is
Skyyr is unique as the majority of the time he can outclimb his opponents...most with ease, while some barely then his uncanny accuracy usually finishes the encounter within a shot or two
Eagler
TheJudge mimics Skyyr's unfettered climbing ability as well as his deadly hit %.....and rightfully so I suppose as he (Judge) was schooled by Skyyr as I recall.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2024, 09:46:30 AM
My improperly trimmed plane cannot climb with one that is
Skyyr is unique as the majority of the time he can outclimb his opponents...most with ease, while some barely then his uncanny accuracy usually finishes the encounter within a shot or two
Eagler
Who needs trim when you fly the fastest easiest planes in the game that hold E like none other? Am I right :rofl
Interesting that he can hit me upside down from 500 out without missing a bullet and insta blow me up, and even get pings on me that no one else does in nose down defensive turns, but yet his hit % is only 7% when the majority of his rides are nose cannon planes. That don't make a lot of sense to me.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 11, 2024, 10:44:29 AM
If you want to make the shots no one else makes, you've got to take the shots no one else takes.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: fudgums on March 11, 2024, 10:49:54 AM
As much as I would get blasted out of the sky. would love for skyrr to come to Monday night madness
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 11, 2024, 12:05:22 PM
Interesting that he can hit me upside down from 500 out without missing a bullet and insta blow me up, and even get pings on me that no one else does in nose down defensive turns
Sounds like a bad experience bro <S>
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 11, 2024, 12:49:04 PM
You know I'm always going to give you bologna for flying noob planes, especially when you are on the opposite side of the fight as your squadmates. You are better than that, and the MA deserves better <S>.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 11, 2024, 01:42:54 PM
You know I'm always going to give you bologna for flying noob planes, especially when you are on the opposite side of the fight as your squadmates. You are better than that, and the MA deserves better <S>.
I heard a rumor saying you had a meltdown on vox when you got wrecked last night. Are you okay bro?
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: GasTeddy on March 11, 2024, 02:34:03 PM
I can't even get this kind of attention from my wife :(
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: mechanic on March 11, 2024, 11:03:42 PM
You know....there was a time when thousands of people played this game where there were some genuinely outstanding sticks for the community to look up to. Their prowess was unquestioned. They were unanimously respected. They also behaved respectfully, never tried to lord it over people they shot down. Those times were quite something.
This time, and this behaviour...well...it's something different. :old:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 11, 2024, 11:43:06 PM
You know....there was a time when thousands of people played this game where there were some genuinely outstanding sticks for the community to look up to. Their prowess was unquestioned. They were unanimously respected. They also behaved respectfully, never tried to lord it over people they shot down. Those times were quite something.
This time, and this behaviour...well...it's something different. :old:
The latest is now that he was so much better than ALL of them that they had to learn from his videos. Apparently AoM learned from him :rofl Kind of odd considering I can distinctly remember much laughter at the incessant trolling after beat downs. Next we’ll learn he taught Bruv :x
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: LCADolby on March 12, 2024, 03:28:02 AM
Ah, yes, Skyyr's first year. How quickly things changed afterwards. How many times did you quit the game because Skyyr slaughtered you afterwards? I know of AT LEAST 3, including your current reason for quitting lol.
The latest is now that he was so much better than ALL of them that they had to learn from his videos. Apparently AoM learned from him :rofl Kind of odd considering I can distinctly remember much laughter at the incessant trolling after beat downs. Next we’ll learn he taught Bruv :x
You do realize Skyyr knew Bruv since he was a day 1 noob in Fighter Ace, right? And he absolutely slaughtered Bruv for years.
In fact, Skyyr came back to FA, trained me, then I proceeded to hunt down Bruv and beat him 1v1 during his undefeated 250-kill streak, then spared him and let him land. That's literally how I ended up in the Damned in FA.
Just saying, your comment is supremely ironic. Bruv even wrote an essay about his life when he joined the Navy and somehow managed to put a paragraph about Skyyr in it, mentioning how he was a @$%!#@$ hack because he kept killing him in FA. Yes, he mentioned Skyyr in an essay about real life.
Our whole squad laughed about this for YEARS after we found the PDF on the FA message boards.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2024, 07:55:08 AM
Wrecked? I was flying a real man's plane, the 190a5, vs his girls plane, the La7, in 3 sorties. So thats like a 35 eny plane vs one that should be perked and can climb 5k straight up. Ill give him the first kill, nice shot, but probably wouldnt have been able to do that in any other plane. Once I switched to a spit16 and then spit8 to find his ass, he was unable to kill me and infact I should have killed him twice, but my bullets didn't work... typical. He ran and ran until his 109 friend showed up in which case I ditched due to only having 25 mgs left. Then in my ki84 he overshot and I should have killed him but Jimrussl swooped in a got him before I got the shot. However I have no idea how my first shot missed, I watched the video and the bullets practically went right through him on the reversal... that being said, I did get angry because I don't trust "the poser damned" flying on the same side as me in the same fight as their squadie on the other side flying as a shade. That's just bad faith unsportsmanlike. So I'll call it as it see it. Quite frankly. I'm tired of all of the easy mode planes in the MA. Too many 190Ds, spit16s, Yaks, and la7s. And when I see good players abusing the MA in them, I don't like it. The 190D has the most kills in the MA right now with a 2K/D overall. It's just sad that this has become the norm in the MA now.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2024, 08:22:15 AM
Top kills in top 4 fighters in March 24 tour so far...
190D TheJudge - 621 Silent - 201 Skyyr 117
Spit16 Flippz - 162
P51- None of them can fly it. Top killer so far is - lefty59 - 82
La7 Skyyr - 358
So as you can see. There is a clear problem here where the so called best have to fly the easiest top planes in the game and never appear to log off. Must be nice to be able to play 10 hours a day..
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 12, 2024, 08:23:24 AM
My Ta 152 has 316 kills, which is more air-to-air kills alone in that plane than anyone in the game has in total (outside of our own squad members).
Kinda shatters your theory, since almost no one even flies the plane. The next closest player is Tralfaz with 37 kills.
No one flies it because the 190D has a little more versatility, but its just as similar in essence super fast, climbs well, has great guns, and can fly super high. You know it use to be perked. The 190D should have taken its perked spot IMO.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Skyyr on March 12, 2024, 08:37:30 AM
No one flies it because the 190D has a little more versatility, but its just as similar in essence super fast, climbs well, has great guns, and can fly super high. You know it use to be perked. The 190D should have taken its perked spot IMO.
Nothing about the characteristics of the Ta 152 is similar to the D9, except the speed (but it's slower). Even the flight style is completely different.
It seems to me this is just an attempt to complain about the choices of others, in an attempt to minimize one's consequences of their own plane choices.
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 12, 2024, 08:38:59 AM
Wrecked? I was flying a real man's plane, the 190a5, vs his girls plane, the La7, in 3 sorties.
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So thats like a 35 eny plane vs one that should be perked and can climb 5k straight up. Ill give him the first kill, nice shot, but probably wouldnt have been able to do that in any other plane.
Excuses #2 and #3.
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Once I switched to a spit16 and then spit8 to find his ass, he was unable to kill me and infact I should have killed him twice, but my bullets didn't work... typical.
Excuse #4.
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He ran and ran until his 109 friend showed up in which case I ditched due to only having 25 mgs left.
Excuse #5.
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Then in my ki84 he overshot and I should have killed him but Jimrussl swooped in a got him before I got the shot.
Excuse #6.
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However I have no idea how my first shot missed, I watched the video and the bullets practically went right through him on the reversal...
Excuse #7.
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that being said, I did get angry because I don't trust "the poser damned" flying on the same side as me in the same fight as their squadie on the other side flying as a shade. That's just bad faith unsportsmanlike.
Excuse #8.
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So I'll call it as it see it. Quite frankly. I'm tired of all of the easy mode planes in the MA. Too many 190Ds, spit16s, Yaks, and la7s. And when I see good players abusing the MA in them, I don't like it. The 190D has the most kills in the MA right now with a 2K/D overall. It's just sad that this has become the norm in the MA now.
The 190D may have the most kills but because of your gaming the point system so you will look "good" you sure don't. :rofl
Title: Re: Skyyr
Post by: Vraciu on March 12, 2024, 08:44:26 AM
The latest is now that he was so much better than ALL of them that they had to learn from his videos. Apparently AoM learned from him :rofl Kind of odd considering I can distinctly remember much laughter at the incessant trolling after beat downs. Next we’ll learn he taught Bruv :x
All of this happens to be true, especially if by "taught" you mean "schooled". :rofl