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Title: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 12:14:44 PM
I was back in for a few months but have been out for a month and haven't missed it.
Initially I liked the community but then it all seemed like Grumpy Old Men accusing each other or cheating and saying "He isn't all that" etc
I have to say a bit negative :mad:
Blame and criticise seems to be the currency :headscratch:
I guess the response if their is any is to blame someone who called someone out on 200 and like "I have to respond" and so it goes on..............................
Its not the money but the way people form little hate groups than makes it a rather unpleasant place to spend time.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 12:22:20 PM
I have moved to DCS. People are full of enthusiasm and enjoying the immersion not personality conflicts. Its high end and maybe that says something about people who play it who really cant be bothered by who said what to whom and who was right and who is a cheat, ho, ganger, horde, score monkey etc etc etc ad nauseum.
AH was my first flight Sim and I used to love it but its not a very nice place anymore.
I don;t mind the sub. Its just a downer now.
Learn something new and be a noob again not a conceited veteran with an eternal axe to grind.
If I had a suggestion it would be disable 200.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 12:42:58 PM
Aye. I miss the olden days.
Where I've been playing the gripers are few and far between and are ignored for the most part but then again it runs anticheat and has a rightclick on player name option to report cheating and many have been banned...
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 01:00:24 PM
Well thats a shame.
But we’re talking two different concepts I view DCS as more playing golf rather than hockey. You’re going to have different audiences. Same thing as a rock show over a symphony. Not to mention support issues with products snd nassive bug counts they can’t seem to get in order. Apples and oranges
Why former players feel a need come here just to make a negative disgruntle post is baffling. If you’re happy you’re happy with what you like. Most here aren’t all that interested in glittery golf games, cheese snd wine. These are basically beer drinkers.
What is it with DCS players that feel a beed to push elitism like a symphony audience?? Baffled. Do they hand out red felt jackets and pipes too? Totally lost on that crowd.
Good luck You know you’re welcome here
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 01:11:46 PM
Where I've been playing the gripers are few and far between and are ignored for the most part but then again it runs anticheat and has a rightclick on player name option to report cheating and many have been banned...
If many have been banned for cheating then its rampant, swiss cheese. 98% of the claims here are bogus conspiracy minds working over time. Same with accusing mods after testing them (“see told ta”) or posting a perceived cheat code on bbs.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 02:00:02 PM
This post has the aeronautic aroma of Cpt.Tripps and AKIron influence to seize a moment.
The timing fits their MO
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 02:06:51 PM
This post has the aeronautic aroma of Cpt.Tripps and AKIron influence to seize a moment
I think DCS is still under development particularly by the player base who run their own servers. Yes though it is buggy perhaps for that reason :old: Nothing would make me happier than AH continuing to develop.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 02:11:27 PM
Why former players feel a need come here just to make a negative disgruntle post is baffling. If you’re happy you’re happy with what you like.
What is it with DCS players that feel a beed to push elitism like a symphony audience?? Baffled. Do they hand out red felt jackets and pipes too? Totally lost on that crowd.
Good luck You know you’re welcome here
That is very well said an thankyou.
AH is very much the complete package that other games aspire to. I wish it was growing as that would refresh the player base and improve the atmosphere.
I guess I am frustrated that isnt happening.
Most offerings are very click click bang bang and AH is waaay more than that.
You are right Animal.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 02:35:56 PM
If many have been banned for cheating then its rampant, swiss cheese. 98% of the claims here are bogus conspiracy minds working over time. Same with accusing mods after testing them (“see told ta”) or posting a perceived cheat code on bbs.
Uh, no, it's not swiss cheese, you see very little cheating and cheaters diappear quickly.
Uh, no it's not a conspiracy at all. I've seen them for THIS particular game and know a former player who admitted that they worked. The most common is a zero aircraft fuel weight client size memory value change that are not detectible by the server unless it's running an anticheat. Every wonder why some players are "so good at managing their energy"?
I don't know what you mean about "accusing mods after testing them" Getting a warning for saying the word "pissed" doesn't make sense if you see some of the other garbage out there or hearing some of the crap that is spewed on range.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 26, 2025, 02:36:49 PM
I play both and both are 2 different games with different concepts. DCS has a lot more building up to do to get to AH level in terms of PvP WW2 large arena battles, and the WW2 players are smaller in #s. The maps without icons or map indicators make it much tougher, espcially on my eyes. I mostly fight the AI there and have takin a similar approach to Yarbles, where im not trying to learn it over night but have learned about 7-8 planes now . The server style to me isn't as fun as the main arena in AH during a big battle. I find there to be very little communication if any on multi-player servers. It just doesn't feel the same. I play both games for different reasons and objectives but I do feel like DCS is the future if they can make more planes.
As far as communication in AH, it's always been gritty, online egos are typical. Its just how it is when you can hide behind handles and not reveal your identity. It's actually taught me a lot on how to deal with online jerks. I think if you don't like that stuff than you have tune it out and play your game and not take anyone seriously.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Randy1 on April 26, 2025, 02:39:40 PM
If you turn off 200 you will enjoy the game much more. All three countries have a large amount of really good people. A few stinkers but very few.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 02:47:18 PM
As far as communication in AH, it's always been gritty, online egos are typical. Its just how it is when you can hide behind handles and reveal your identity. It's actually taught me a lot on how to deal with online jerks. I think if you don't like that stuff than you have tune it out and play your game and not take anyone seriously.
This is what I think I miss the most about the "olden days" People would talk trash but it was in fun. We used to hunt that ZY the ho guy who would spin fight an A26 or A20 or whatever it was in AW but it never crossed our minds to threaten him. It seems the tone has changed over time. I've heard people have gotten real life threats and stuff. That to me is just nuts. Not sure but that seems to cross the line from "online jerks"
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 02:48:23 PM
AH is very much the complete package that other games aspire to. I wish it was growing as that would refresh the player base and improve the atmosphere.
I guess I am frustrated that isnt happening.
Most offerings are very click click bang bang and AH is waaay more than that.
You are right Animal.
Didn’t mean to offend, if I did. IMO its just the reality.
I honestly see these type of post as somewhat a broken heart. We’re all frustrated. We’re on “ignore” even for our efforts. I think it keeps some on edge.
Kinda like a ex-gf, we get frustrated, decide to try something new (everything is great when its new) she gas the slit skirt, 2 lbs if makeup and nice nylons,…then with romantic memories we decide the past wasn’t that bad.
Hazmat wants to play but the real reason is affording his whole family. He doesn’t hate the game, he’s frustrated too. Because anyone who gas played it has fond memories they want to relive. AH is not easily forgotten.
I think I get it. Myself and several other old dog AW players rejoined because we want to relive that crazy fun we had. I don’t care where any AHer ends up, mist call this home as it is basically AW on steroids.
Not trying to over sell the game, but 200 has calmed way down since YKW and his main accomplice left. It will never be perfect, but is it very human, verses sitting with folded hands.
I hope you find your way back. But sometimes people need to see what else is out there, many return. :)
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 02:55:22 PM
Give it 10 years and DCS etc might have 20% of the combined arms as in land sea and air AH has today. Back in the day a full server with every gun in the fleet manned and a massive furball just of shore with Sarge shoulting turn the CV you turds. I was 40lbs lighter in those days but literally started to sweat the action was so intense back then. 800 in the server and 100's on each side, 10 LVT'S in the water, continuous take offs on the carrier deck and the HELP channel busy. Just manning the 4 inch was intense action even on a destroyer and people queing up to get in the server. Literally 100's of troops on the beech.
Sadly we will never see it again. AH was something unique. So many skilled and invested players fighting wonderful battles.
5000 subscribers paying £900,000 dollars a year. I guess in the gaming industry it was not enough to keep up. It was not a wham bam but if you look on U TUBE it just does not look sexy.
It is a shame as all AH really lacks now is numbers.
DCS is primarily a single player it seems that builds into multiple servers of modest numbers but some are approaching 3 digits but nothing like AH back in the day. Huge time investment to learn just one plane so there are those who will spend the time still but the majority want to fly modern jets. Its interesting though that allot of their frame on reference now in a very simple on board radar screen similar to a 1980's video game :headscratch:. Not trying to make a point but rather I am confused by that immersion.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 03:15:21 PM
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 03:17:32 PM
If I were running a playlist at a AH con, this would prolly be on the list to best describe most AHers. ALL good peeps with good intensions. The ones in love with the game the most are most times the loudest. Ever hsve a mind blowing fun drinking champaign?
Come down off that roof my friend.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 03:33:12 PM
DCS reminds me if a saying between vet sound engineers, “corporate events is where great sound digs go to die” because we’re not in high adrenaline concerts much anymore.
We end up sitting with a friend at a fireplace with red felt as smokers jackets with our emblem, , a pipe and a zigger of brandy,… talking about the days we had fun.
I refuse to give into that when most that experience is still kicking. I’ll never mentally grow old. I’ll never “conform”, this is my only life and I’m going full throttle. :)
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 03:34:52 PM
And after we're all done socializing and having a few beers, we climb into our planes and grab an 8 track to listen to as we take off and climb toward combat I would suggest:
https://youtu.be/E929gqIcwwI
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 03:44:41 PM
And after we're all done socializing and having a few beers, we climb into our planes and grab an 8 track to listen to as we take off and climb toward combat I would suggest:
https://youtu.be/E929gqIcwwI
See.
When my dad was alive, every year he would go to canada fishing, no family. This was his break from raising 6 kids, and damn it he was going to spend on himself one week a year to do his thing. You just remember sometimes dads need to do their thing to stay grounded. Do something for yourself too. Its not a sin. You just have a conscience you’re leaving someone out. Thats just a good human. Do something for you too.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Eagler on April 26, 2025, 03:50:45 PM
I think the last time I tried dcs in vr you could stand up or lean your head out of the cockpit frame and into the airstream..but couldn't turn my head far enough around to check my six..yes I know about the head turn hack
Got an email everything there is on sale again..
Too bad AH doesn't have the graphics dcs has as it's about the only thing it has over it imo..
At 66 not a fan of no auto pilot either lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 03:51:12 PM
I think the last time I tried dcs in vr you could stand up or lean your head out of the cockpit frame and into the airstream..but couldn't turn my head far enough around to check my six..yes I know about the head turn hack
Got an email everything there is on sale again..
Too bad AH doesn't have the graphics dcs has as it's about the only thing it has over it imo..
At 66 not a fan of no auto pilot either lol
Eagler
I like all that engine management stuff. Oil pressure water temp, start up, taxi, take off and having to navigate over the Uk and Normandy without sat nav. I also like its D Day 1 + 1.2.3.4.5 with the relevant weather, magnetic north true to 1944 and the correct barrometric pressure etc :rofl Ok its not for everyone :D :D
After that if you shoot down a 109 yippee
No Icon, condensation on the windscreen, reflection on the canopy ground clutter etc
Start up: 1) Engage Break 2) Switch on air filter 3)Switch on 4)Push rev limiter to max 5) Switch on Magnettos 6) Open fuel cock 7) Open switch covers. 8) Pump Fuel Pressure 9) Prime carburettors 10) Hit switches 11) Advance Mixture 12) Set revs so oil pressure under 120 13) Switch on fuel pump 14) Switch on instrument heating 15) Switch on gun sight 16) Set gun site 17) Close Switches 18) Wait till water temp 60c You are now ready to taxi.
What is not to like :D
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Eagler on April 26, 2025, 04:17:15 PM
^^^^ exactly
:airplane:
Eagler
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 04:21:06 PM
To be fare when you actually do manage to take off its something. Landing though :uhoh
You also have to set your compass gyro, correct for magnetic north and re set it after a dog fight as that throws it out. You have 3 minutes max at full power and need to manage your radiator in combat. Your fuel gauge is iffy at best.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Eagler on April 26, 2025, 04:25:51 PM
I would say the flight model is the same as AH in that regard as I am equally average in both. The big difference is that allot more kills are not seeing someone coming without Radar and Icons. In that sense fights are allot more about SA than ACM.
btw I did know what you were saying dear friend :D
In terms of ACM ah is second to none. I have flown in 4 platforms and AH has it in flight model in my opinion.
In an axis v allies scenario the Spit will always win the turn fight in DCS. The opposition is K4 and 190's. Spit is the 1943 Spit 9 and the slowest. When it comes to pure skill the AH vetrans probably have it.
I have to say the AH flight model has stood the test of time. The Gold standard.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: AKIron on April 26, 2025, 04:35:10 PM
Games are fun. Sometimes you want a simulator. Sometimes you want both. Good thing we don't have to choose only one. Brother and I just spent a couple hours flying over east Germany in the rain at night low level using flir in Strike Eagles. Bombed some warehouses then fought off SU-27s. Fun and lotta laughs. Zero drama. Well, except when he turned on his terrain following radar without setting it up first. Drama for him. Laughs for me.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 04:58:08 PM
That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.
My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Lazerr on April 26, 2025, 05:14:55 PM
Come here saying disable 200? That is an option for you already, right?
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 05:23:49 PM
Come here saying disable 200? That is an option for you already, right?
Its like why some drugs are illegal. I do find it hard to agree with it. But it can make sense as two people pissing on each other all day in the sandpit can smell bad. You might not see them doing it but you can still smell it.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: AKIron on April 26, 2025, 05:44:00 PM
That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.
My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.
900 page manuals take some time to assimilate. I do it in chunks. I really like the F-15E. Sure hope RAZBAM comes back to the fold.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 26, 2025, 06:31:35 PM
Its like why some drugs are illegal. I do find it hard to agree with it. But it can make sense as two people pissing on each other all day in the sandpit can smell bad. You might not see them doing it but you can still smell it.
AH is a legal drug :old:
It's why I'm still here. :airplane:
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 06:36:34 PM
That sounds like fun. I haven't got to the advanced planes yet.
My fun lately is the Korean war era planes of which some have missles, non have RWR, and most don't have countermeasures. I've starting to get better missle SA and actually think about avoid those aim9bs (which isn't too hard) but I still get the: BANG! What the F?! Oh, missle. Back to hanger.
I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.
I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 06:49:36 PM
I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.
I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.
The F86 V MIG 15 :aok
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 06:52:15 PM
To be fare when you actually do manage to take off its something. Landing though :uhoh
You also have to set your compass gyro, correct for magnetic north and re set it after a dog fight as that throws it out. You have 3 minutes max at full power and need to manage your radiator in combat. Your fuel gauge is iffy at best.
That's all cool, but I hear more about engine management than actual killer dogfights with other humans.
900 page manuals?,... no chance I'm going that deep, none. I'm here to fight not sit in a library reading and wishing I could fight after 20 min on runway. Hell you're at a half hr just to get into flight. I guess if you really are going to fly a plane, awesome. But that sounds more like work than fun. <shrug> just not my thing. If it was our thing we'd been there 20 yrs ago. And as I stated above,...it's currently a mess.
ED burned bridges with Razbam, or vice versa, either way, that will probably not happen again, and if I remember right Razbam lost their programmers to jobs that actually paid instead of ED stiffing the company and they get zero. When they do monthly videos basically apologizing for the mistakes,.. they know they are in big trouble, that's body language that should be paid attention to. They've been around 20-25 yrs too, it's possible Nick lost his way too, but holding on, probably another Kelton story. I mean come on almost 600k bug reports? that's insane. They have the same hope and problems we do. Doesn't matter how great it can be, it's got some serious issues. I don't like that they are serious money grubbers with defects.
People should do what makes them happy, thats what you should do. But as stated, this is a complete game. This is what we like, this is what makes us happy, happier if actual movement was made.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 06:55:05 PM
I thought it was the 29 in AW, I didn't fly it, time turns to fog. Ya, the F-86 was a blast. But I also didn't have to go through pre-flight checklist to fly it. I'd been snoring if I did.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 06:57:30 PM
I always loved the F-86 in AW Korea.... but that's a much different mindset from props at those speeds against a Mig29(?). You're thinking WAY ahead. Sometimes by the time you focus sights on the target it's gone. I loved it, but not many went to the Korea arena. For whatever reason that era just doesn't click with many.
I always viewed jets as deer hunting and props knife fights.
For me the biggest challege is the lead you have to pull it's sooo much more then props. That and how quick the blackout can hit you at certain speeds. Oh, and those dang AIM9bs lol. Only the late model F86s carry them for the most part and thankfully only 2.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: AKIron on April 26, 2025, 07:08:48 PM
They thought the days of gun fights were over. That's why the first F-4 Phantom IIs had none. They were wrong. When I'm too close for missiles I switch to guns. ;)
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: AKIron on April 26, 2025, 07:15:21 PM
Missiles fights aren't all about offense. You must defend against them also. SA and staying ahead of the game is challenging. If you think it's just whoever shoots first wins you're only scratching the surface.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 07:29:43 PM
Missiles fights aren't all about offense. You must defend against them also. SA and staying ahead of the game is challenging. If you think it's just whoever shoots first wins you're only scratching the surface.
I don't have any planes with missles yet so I'm mostly trying to avoid them at this point. These early models aren't too bad if you are aware of them in time. That said it's still something I'm not used to yet.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 07:31:28 PM
That's all cool, but I hear more about engine management than actual killer dogfights with other humans.
900 page manuals?,... no chance I'm going that deep, none. I'm here to fight not sit in a library reading and wishing I could fight after 20 min on runway. Hell you're at a half hr just to get into flight.
My own personal experience is start up, taxi. form up with another half dozen real player spits and go to France in 5 minutes now.
I think there is a strong element of historical re enactment.
Yes less action though. I was always a big fan of "Scenario" and DCS multi player is that.
The model has leant itself to server communities like 4YA and the Reapers. DCS is a box of tools which people buy then host on a server and some collect subs. 4YA has a $400 dollar a month running cost from donations the Reapers have about 30 "full time !!" players somehow who make allot of U tube content. Its an interesting model as DCS itself is a one of payment per module but uses 200gb of memory to play and min quad 3ghz processer plus high end graphics card. I guess about 1 years AH sub to get a PC up to spec.
For me I have to admit I like the historical re enactment aspect. 4YA fight Normandy from D Day onwards rinse and repeat and that is what I am interested in.
No auto climb, constant trim, engine management and head on a swivel. The real deal. Immersion is everything. Just need a leather flying helmet and a proper stick. Powdered egg and Spam for breakfast :D
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 07:34:31 PM
For me the biggest challege is the lead you have to pull it's sooo much more then props. That and how quick the blackout can hit you at certain speeds. Oh, and those dang AIM9bs lol. Only the late model F86s carry them for the most part and thankfully only 2.
I think you have to lag pursuit as much as possible then you get a shot.
If I fly lag long enough eventually I get a decent shot. Some ACE have forgotten the name of said close, close, closer and then get closer still.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 26, 2025, 07:34:49 PM
No nothing and even your compass ain't right !! It turns out there is a true north and a magnetic north and it was different in 1944 to now :uhoh
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 26, 2025, 07:43:25 PM
Problem is though, you fly around for 30 minutes and may not find anything. While the plane is a task, the fight is a snoozer and you look at the map and you don't know where the fight is at all. It doesn't feel like a real battle is going on. I enjoy the AI servers i fly in but it doesn't compare to the same concept as AH.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 07:48:18 PM
Problem is though, you fly around for 30 minutes and may not find anything. While the plane is a task, the fight is a snoozer and you look at the map and you don't know where the fight is at all. It doesn't feel like a real battle is going on. I enjoy the AI servers i fly in but it doesn't compare to the same concept as AH.
Or just as likely you fly around for 30 minutes don't find anything, get bored, scratch your balls and get a 30mm in your arse from the 109 you never saw.
I find that strangely compelling.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 07:49:03 PM
For me the biggest challege is the lead you have to pull it's sooo much more then props. That and how quick the blackout can hit you at certain speeds. Oh, and those dang AIM9bs lol. Only the late model F86s carry them for the most part and thankfully only 2.
Yeeeup! Like I said, a different mindset, when it gets down and dirty you HAVE to think so much further ahead.... and leading shots,...if you come from a prop to a jet,...you're going to have problems adjusting, a lot has to do with muscle memory in the way and waiting for that close shot. But headon passing,.. as fast as you can focus they are long gone. Using missiles, meh, those are other calculations, the deer hunting part, one shot one kill. Not sure I used them much. They certainly weren't guided, so good luck with that. and blackouts can come in a split second, as apposed to props. One wrong jerk and you can be in the black. Love that sht. But like I said, in AW it was maybe finding 2-4 guys in there. More pplayers should have given it a chance, it just doesn't click with many. Start getting into the nam AC that was maybe flown during Korea,.. suddenly it's way kewl. That name Korea just never hits home.
But in DCS,...the manuals, and wait time, and digging through the glitter, what bug am I dealing with in this AC, like Violator stated actually finding a fight. If I was 30 again and had a lot of time left, ok I'll give it a shot. i did when it first came out... I'm just not into blowing big time on leanings. This has a steep enough curve even return re-learning. I'm good.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: fudgums on April 26, 2025, 07:49:59 PM
Yall are insane
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 07:53:03 PM
But in DCS,...the manuals, and wait time, and digging through the glitter, what bug am I dealing with in this AC, like Violator stated actually finding a fight. If I was 30 again and had a lot of time left, ok I'll give it a shot. i did when it first came out... I'm just not into blowing big time on leanings. This has a steep enough curve even return re-learning. I'm good.
You might enjoy learning just 1 warbird. I have Spit and P51 and My Log says I have 30 hours in the Spit off line but it feels like I am getting good at it finally. I am dreading the 51 but I want to escort B17'S and the Spit won't hack it. So however :D
I want to fly a big mission with half a dozen peeps, rendezvous and take those buffs too and from target. Maybe 90 minutes and 5 minutes action.
Back in the day those 17's were all manned and so were all the fighters but where do you go now for that ? Maybe 4 times a year in AH.
btw I have huge respect for the long term AH pilots who really know how to get the best out of planes like the 190 and P47 IN A 1 v 1 BUT :D I am more interested in the historical reality of kill quick in the combat zone and probably would never have those skills anyway. Prolonged dog fights I think would have been a death trap especially over enemy territory.
Once you are up it is AH but with constant trim and engine management plus no icons so you need to use zoom constantly and check your 6 all the time. If you get in a fight it is really hard to keep vis on an oponent epecially looking down on him/her due to cammo. But of course it is the same for the opponent.
I do think though learning offsetts ageing. I am 62 and it seems pretty good for my brain to learn new skills on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 09:51:15 PM
You might enjoy learning just 1 warbird. I have Spit and P51 and My Log says I have 30 hours in the Spit off line but it feels like I am getting good at it finally. I am dreading the 51 but I want to escort B17'S and the Spit won't hack it. So however :D
I want to fly a big mission with half a dozen peeps, rendezvous and take those buffs too and from target. Maybe 90 minutes and 5 minutes action.
Back in the day those 17's were all manned and so were all the fighters but where do you go now for that ? Maybe 4 times a year in AH.
btw I have huge respect for the long term AH pilots who really know how to get the best out of planes like the 190 and P47 IN A 1 v 1 BUT :D I am more interested in the historical reality of kill quick in the combat zone and probably would never have those skills anyway. Prolonged dog fights I think would have been a death trap especially over enemy territory.
Once you are up it is AH but with constant trim and engine management plus no icons so you need to use zoom constantly and check your 6 all the time. If you get in a fight it is really hard to keep vis on an oponent epecially looking down on him/her due to cammo. But of course it is the same for the opponent.
I do think though learning offsetts ageing. I am 62 and it seems pretty good for my brain to learn new skills on a daily basis.
Ya I get it. Well I spent 45 yrs in live sound for concerts, programming, sim projects, mechanics. When I got a break during Pandemic, my brain said "ya screw all this brain clogging data", and at least for a while I just refused to learn anymore, "enough". I just want my brain to drain a while. Now that I'm retired and more clear in the head I'd like to do some projects for AH, maybe damage model FX stuff, but I don't have the keys to the car. Anxious and plenty of time with no where to go. So making vids fills a void.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 26, 2025, 10:28:36 PM
Ya I get it. Well I spent 45 yrs in live sound for concerts, programming, sim projects, mechanics. When I got a break during Pandemic, my brain said "ya screw all this brain clogging data", and at least for a while I just refused to learn anymore, "enough". I just want my brain to drain a while. Now that I'm retired and more clear in the head I'd like to do some projects for AH, maybe damage model FX stuff, but I don't have the keys to the car. Anxious and plenty of time with no where to go. So making vids fills a void.
Hand eye co ordination is the other side of your brain ?
I don't know but personally I am not a fan of retirement. People say they keep busy but I think they tend to potter in solitary pursuits especially men do. I am working part time in deliveries now after a career in finance about 15 to 20 hours a week. Its quite chatty and young people even ladies :o. The gaming world is mostly men and numbers, logic and reason but some shared purpose which is great. I am in the gig economy. Rubish money but you start when you like and go home when you feel like it and no stress. Ah would be alot better if there was change. Nothing new anymore.
My neighbour is retired. He is watching "Battlestar Galactica" all seven seasons for the third time and making lego models. I try to avoid him :D
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Shane on April 26, 2025, 10:44:32 PM
Or just as likely you fly around for 30 minutes don't find anything, get bored, scratch your balls and get a 30mm in your arse from the 109 you never saw.
I find that strangely compelling.
Nothing stops you from getting the same experience here by leaving your clipboard map closed once you lift a base heading somewhere.
I guess FSO is out of your time availability?
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 26, 2025, 10:49:11 PM
Hand eye co ordination is the other side of your brain ?
I don't know but personally I am not a fan of retirement. People say they keep busy but I think they tend to potter in solitary pursuits especially men do. I am working part time in deliveries now after a career in finance about 15 to 20 hours a week. Its quite chatty and young people even ladies :o. The gaming world is mostly men and numbers, logic and reason but some shared purpose which is great. I am in the gig economy. Rubish money but you start when you like and go home when you feel like it and no stress. Ah would be alot better if there was change. Nothing new anymore.
My neighbour is retired. He is watching "Battlestar Galactica" all seven seasons for the third time and making lego models. I try to avoid him :D
Have a friend who retired before me, actually guitar player for the play/band Hair (song Aquarius), fellow sound engineer. when he retired he would just sit and get 420 and do crossword puzzles, watching TV. A few times he asked me to mow his lawn and trim his trees, I have a green thumb. I told him, I don't mind helping ya, but ya gotta get your ars up and do something, you're gonna have a stroke because your habits changed too much. He blew me off. Sure as sht, two weeks later he had a stroke on a Friday, they didn't find him until Sunday. It had set roots, hes now paralyzed on the right side for life now, can barely talk. DO NOT STOP MOVING.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: horble on April 27, 2025, 08:05:06 AM
I’ve been waiting for someone to rip this game off.. errrr come up with a spiritual successor for years now, doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen so I’ll keep hanging out in this hospice ward where everyone keeps going through the motions. Once you squelch the 2-3 querulous old gv’ers on each side who are convinced everyone is cheating it usually isn’t too bad.
I like that I can play this without needing 9 million buttons or trackir or some other expensive peripheral. Super great graphics are nice but I don’t need them, get me close and my imagination can do the rest.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Dadtallica on April 27, 2025, 08:56:23 AM
I’v never tuned to 200. The only person that ever gets squelched by me in all my years is gldnbb. Otherwise Rook country chat is pretty chill place. Many several problems could be solved by not yapping in the internet but humans gotta human.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 27, 2025, 10:05:17 AM
I’v never tuned to 200. The only person that ever gets squelched by me in all my years is gldnbb. Otherwise Rook country chat is pretty chill place. Many several problems could be solved by not yapping in the internet but humans gotta human.
200 is a sad form of entertainment for me.
Probably all country channels are chill. The flames are thrown over the fences.
Even 200 isn’t as bad as a yr ago. Most of it is friendly jarring. A lot have flown in events together and meshed just fine.
There is some kind of funk between GVers. Every death is a cheat. Even tho some pileits do it too, but not as bad.
I wonders if GVers use “Cheat” macro like pilots use “Check 6” button.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Yarbles on April 27, 2025, 10:41:09 AM
They thought the days of gun fights were over. That's why the first F-4 Phantom IIs had none. They were wrong. When I'm too close for missiles I switch to guns. ;)
I could smell you coming 10 mikes away
Don’t think we don’t know whats going on. Repeat of repeats, as predictable as it gets. Where is squiiggy hiding?
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: AKIron on April 27, 2025, 02:09:30 PM
You are the most disrespectful person on this forum. Yet I don't report you. Are you like this in the game too? Or real life?
you just projected yourself, coming to another game board to promote your bug infested heaping pile of garbage game,.. ya can't be more disrespectful than that and everyone here. No one wants you here
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 29, 2025, 02:30:12 PM
Oh noos! I just got my first "squadon vehicle" It's an early model A4E with 2 sidewinders so now I officially have a missle slinger! I haven't crewed it yet or got any mods so I won't be able to carry any ords until I get some mods.
I was slacking with joining a squad so it took me a while to get my first squad vehicle. It looks like it has rwr and flares so we'll see how it goes. I'm sure it's going to take some getting used to.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Animl-AW on April 29, 2025, 03:33:54 PM
Why don’t you knock it iff ifiot
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 29, 2025, 03:59:36 PM
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: save on April 30, 2025, 08:09:42 AM
DCS did not "do it" for me as a prophead. the wwII planeset diversity WB, AH and IL2 have will never even be close in DCS.
The reason I lurk here is I'm hoping for a AWACS free AH arenas so I can restart but before that happens, I won't.
It's the same reason realistic flying in WT is so cartoonish - I can not fly in there - where you can view things outside of your plane, and even magnify like you use binoculars in a dogfight.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 30, 2025, 10:23:04 AM
It's the same reason realistic flying in WT is so cartoonish - I can not fly in there - where you can view things outside of your plane, and even magnify like you use binoculars in a dogfight.
Wow. I'm really shocked at the amount of disinformation there is about WT. It seems most people think that WT only has arcade mode. In Simulator battles you can not see outside of your plane, you must engine manage temps etc, there is no auto trim. There are no icons util you are within like 800k of the target and the magnification is the same as zoom in AH3. IL2 GB and WT feel very close to each other in simbattles.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: DmonSlyr on April 30, 2025, 11:08:37 AM
Wow. I'm really shocked at the amount of disinformation there is about WT. It seems most people think that WT only has arcade mode. In Simulator battles you can not see outside of your plane, you must engine manage temps etc, there is no auto trim. There are no icons util you are within like 800k of the target and the magnification is the same as zoom in AH3. IL2 GB and WT feel very close to each other in simbattles.
Do you feel like most of the planes fly very similarly? Like they are all built off the model. I only tried it for like 2 hours but everything just felt like it flew the same to me.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on April 30, 2025, 01:44:38 PM
Do you feel like most of the planes fly very similarly? Like they are all built off the model. I only tried it for like 2 hours but everything just felt like it flew the same to me.
I completely agree with this in Arcade battles. I have only flown arcade battles a little bit and I would agree that it felt to me like it was the same plane with the stall speed, top speed and the turn rate adjusted for the skin of the model that was on it. You start in the air here and have multiple lives.
In realistic battles (the one I fly most often because I can get in, fight a battle and be out in 30 minutes) The flight models start to really change. If you pull hard on some planes and release the stick the nose will continue to rise while others will snap back to the velocity vector. Snap rolls and spin recovery start to be challenging on some models while still very easy on other models. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. This mode also has icons and autotrim.
Sim battles is a whole nother animal. I really like SB but it's more like a mini scenero and the fight can go on for on for hours. (Enduring Confrontation) You can get some aircraft into spins that are not recoverable. The early model F4Us for example will go into unrecoverable spins at low speed with high AOA where as the BF109 seems to be very easy to spin and recover from a spin at will. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. There are no icons or autotrim here.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: CptTrips on April 30, 2025, 03:40:04 PM
I completely agree with this in Arcade battles. I have only flown arcade battles a little bit and I would agree that it felt to me like it was the same plane with the stall speed, top speed and the turn rate adjusted for the skin of the model that was on it. You start in the air here and have multiple lives.
In realistic battles (the one I fly most often because I can get in, fight a battle and be out in 30 minutes) The flight models start to really change. If you pull hard on some planes and release the stick the nose will continue to rise while others will snap back to the velocity vector. Snap rolls and spin recovery start to be challenging on some models while still very easy on other models. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. This mode also has icons and autotrim.
Sim battles is a whole nother animal. I really like SB but it's more like a mini scenero and the fight can go on for on for hours. (Enduring Confrontation) You can get some aircraft into spins that are not recoverable. The early model F4Us for example will go into unrecoverable spins at low speed with high AOA where as the BF109 seems to be very easy to spin and recover from a spin at will. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. There are no icons or autotrim here.
Yeah, I guess I had only tried arcade mode which of course was not interesting. Some weekend I'm bored I might have to DL it again and try the sim mode.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: Oldman731 on April 30, 2025, 10:21:28 PM
Maybe that isn't an accurate description. Maybe a better description would be that some snap back to the velocity vector more then others do? It's almost like the autotrim is not able to compensate immediately on some planes but does on others. Compared to arcade it's more like the trim was more involved in realistic battles but not as much as simulator battles.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: save on May 01, 2025, 06:14:13 AM
In realistic battles (the one I fly most often because I can get in, fight a battle and be out in 30 minutes) The flight models start to really change. If you pull hard on some planes and release the stick the nose will continue to rise while others will snap back to the velocity vector. Snap rolls and spin recovery start to be challenging on some models while still very easy on other models. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. This mode also has icons and autotrim.
Sim battles is a whole nother animal. I really like SB but it's more like a mini scenero and the fight can go on for on for hours. (Enduring Confrontation) You can get some aircraft into spins that are not recoverable. The early model F4Us for example will go into unrecoverable spins at low speed with high AOA where as the BF109 seems to be very easy to spin and recover from a spin at will. You start on the ground and this is a one life event. There are no icons or autotrim here.
WT air realistic has nothing to do with the Sim air battles, I was in the WT Beta for a while (mostly for Tanks though, due to my background during my service). Sim Air battles are ok as a flight simulator, where I put the "realistic" into the arcade class, most fly with xbox or mouse controllers-
I only do realistic Tanks combat in WT.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 12:05:21 PM
WT air realistic has nothing to do with the Sim air battles, I was in the WT Beta for a while (mostly for Tanks though, due to my background during my service). Sim Air battles are ok as a flight simulator, where I put the "realistic" into the arcade class, most fly with xbox or mouse controllers-
I only do realistic Tanks combat in WT.
I agree, that's why I said "it is a whole nother animal"
I tried the RT battle once or twice but I'm no so good in gvs and got slaughtered. Is the nuke available in the realistic gv or is that the sim gv battles? (is there a sim gv battle?)
I'm curious as to how the gv battles compare to AH3 gv battles. I feel I had a much better chance surving in AH3 in a gv then I did in WT. I enjoyed playing the AH3 gv stuff from time to time instead of feeling like cannon fodder in WT.
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: save on May 01, 2025, 04:41:17 PM
In short, realistic with better terrain types of maps, they are more limited in size during a normal map.
if you get penetrated, it might hurt a system, turret drive, gun barrel track etc that you need to repair (We talking seconds), not tedious, but unrealistic, and lose one or more crew, which increase repair time.
Penetration values and angles, trajectories, ammunition types you can load, are the most realistic part of WT tanks. Some ammunition types have explosive content in them.
You also have a Tank sim mode in the game, but its more of waiting game in a good position for other side to make a mistake, or force him to do it by capture parts of map.
Another bad part is you might meet cold war tanks in a later WWII tank unless you go into scenario type missions, also you get bombed alot in realistic tank games, but you have good AAA capabilties, in the game bracket I play (early wwII early cold war) They have newer stuff , contemporary tanks and planes but I like wwII tanks and planes (had enough of cold war during my service in the 80s, freezing my butt off in a tank the arctic part of Sweden
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on May 01, 2025, 05:06:17 PM
In short, realistic with better terrain types of maps, they are more limited in size during a normal map.
if you get penetrated, it might hurt a system, turret drive, gun barrel track etc that you need to repair (We talking seconds), not tedious, but unrealistic, and lose one or more crew, which increase repair time.
Penetration values and angles, trajectories, ammunition types you can load, are the most realistic part of WT tanks. Some ammunition types have explosive content in them.
You also have a Tank sim mode in the game, but its more of waiting game in a good position for other side to make a mistake, or force him to do it by capture parts of map.
Another bad part is you might meet cold war tanks in a later WWII tank unless you go into scenario type missions, also you get bombed alot in realistic tank games, but you have good AAA capabilties, in the game bracket I play (early wwII early cold war) They have newer stuff , contemporary tanks and planes but I like wwII tanks and planes (had enough of cold war during my service in the 80s, freezing my butt off in a tank the arctic part of Sweden
In my limited experience experience with tanks I've noticed that I do besst with tank destroyers (where you can penitrate frontal) or with light tanks (where you can flank them) all other tanks I sux at for the most part.
I'm curious about the nukes. I mostly play SB air and RB air and I know there's no nukes there. I've seen the nukes deployed on youtube, is that only ground SB or iss that ground RB as well?
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: save on May 02, 2025, 12:19:19 PM
@6.0 br and above if you can get enough SP ( ie kill 8-10 enemies ) to get access to the nuke, you have to drop it over the inset map, and enemy fighters want to get you on the way there
Title: Re: Nothing New
Post by: hazmatt on May 02, 2025, 04:42:47 PM
That's interesting. Maybe one day I'll get to nuke somebody lolz.
I found this video which shows how a sim battles match works with cockpit only views, icons only on friendly planes and only at very close range, no autotrim, engine management, no awacs etc.