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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fudgums on August 23, 2025, 08:38:17 PM
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Had a discussion about tier list of all time sticks. Lets begin:
*This is a combination of MA stick, 1v1 Stick, and SEA Sticks*
OFFICIAL LIST:
S Tier:
Grizz
Drex
Bruv
A List:
Krup
B List:
Fudgums
C List(Average):
D List:
E List:
F List:
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BluKitty
CorkyJr
SILAT
TwinBoom
OLDemon
Nomade
Fester
SkatSR
SkyRock
Tango
Lazzer
Agent360
Murdr
AckAck
Challenge
All the SAPP guys actually and always loved the 56th jug guys. and 999999 in his B17s :D
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What tier should they be in?
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Oh heck, no lower than A. But I'm sure I missing several others that are or were just as good. No doubt Grizz was good, but most the time I seen him it was in a 262. CorkyJr on the other hand did his stuff in a 38G. I always had it in my mind for some reason that the best pilot in the game was either a 38 or 109 flyer, because of the skill it takes to be good in them.
Guys that fly F6Fs all the time seem to really be good dogfighters too imo.
I'm just getting back into the game again and dont know who knows what just yet. But from what I see, about everyone I've ran into is at least a B. The one thing this game don't lack is good dogfighters.
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Acacia
Alder
Almond
Amur Maple
Apple
Araucaria
Ash
Aspen
Bald Cypress
Baobab
Basswood
Bay Laurel
Beech
Birch
Black Cherry
Black Gum
Black Walnut
Black Willow
Boxelder
Brazilian Ironwood
Buckeye
Cacao
Camphor
Carob
Cassia
Catalpa
Cedar
Cedar Elm
Cherry
Cherry Plum
Chestnut
Chinaberry
Cinnamon Tree
Citrus
Coffee
Cork Oak
Cottonwood
Crabapple
Date Palm
Dogwood
Douglas Fir
Dragon Tree
Dwarf Willow
Elder
Elm
Eucalyptus
Fig
Fir
Giant Sequoia
Ginkgo
Great Basin Bristlecone Pine
Guava
Hickory
Holly
Honey Locust
Jacaranda
Japanese Maple
Juniper
Kauri
Larch
Lemon
Lime
Linden
Lychee
Magnolia
Mango
Maple
Mulberry
Neem
Oak
Olive
Palm
Papaya
Passion Fruit
Pear
Persimmon
Pine
Pistachio
Plane Tree
Plum
Pomegranate
Poplar
Quince
Red Cedar
Red Maple
Red Oak
Redbud
Redwood
Rubber Tree
Saguaro
Sassafras
Sequoia
Sitka Spruce
Spruce
Sugar Maple
Sweetgum
Sycamore
Tamarind
Teak
Three Kings Kaikomako
Tilia
Torreya
Tulip Tree
Vine Maple
Walnut
Wax Myrtle
Weeping Willow
Western Red Cedar
White Ash
White Birch
White Cedar
White Mulberry
White Oak
White Pine
White Poplar
White Willow
Willow
Witch Hazel
Yellow Birch
Yellowwood
Yew
Zelkova
I tried to be thorough. Let me know if I missed any of your favorite sticks.
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Acacia
Alder
Almond
Amur Maple
Apple
Araucaria
Ash
Aspen
Bald Cypress
Baobab
Basswood
Bay Laurel
Beech
Birch
Black Cherry
Black Gum
Black Walnut
Black Willow
Boxelder
Brazilian Ironwood
Buckeye
Cacao
Camphor
Carob
Cassia
Catalpa
Cedar
Cedar Elm
Cherry
Cherry Plum
Chestnut
Chinaberry
Cinnamon Tree
Citrus
Coffee
Cork Oak
Cottonwood
Crabapple
Date Palm
Dogwood
Douglas Fir
Dragon Tree
Dwarf Willow
Elder
Elm
Eucalyptus
Fig
Fir
Giant Sequoia
Ginkgo
Great Basin Bristlecone Pine
Guava
Hickory
Holly
Honey Locust
Jacaranda
Japanese Maple
Juniper
Kauri
Larch
Lemon
Lime
Linden
Lychee
Magnolia
Mango
Maple
Mulberry
Neem
Oak
Olive
Palm
Papaya
Passion Fruit
Pear
Persimmon
Pine
Pistachio
Plane Tree
Plum
Pomegranate
Poplar
Quince
Red Cedar
Red Maple
Red Oak
Redbud
Redwood
Rubber Tree
Saguaro
Sassafras
Sequoia
Sitka Spruce
Spruce
Sugar Maple
Sweetgum
Sycamore
Tamarind
Teak
Three Kings Kaikomako
Tilia
Torreya
Tulip Tree
Vine Maple
Walnut
Wax Myrtle
Weeping Willow
Western Red Cedar
White Ash
White Birch
White Cedar
White Mulberry
White Oak
White Pine
White Poplar
White Willow
Willow
Witch Hazel
Yellow Birch
Yellowwood
Yew
Zelkova
I tried to be thorough. Let me know if I missed any of your favorite sticks.
:rofl
Bravo.
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Hedge Apple. You forgot Hedge Apple. You know the big green things that ya throw at mailboxes..trees.
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YO wtf Stang!?!?!? why you break the internet!?!?
or are you guys just tholdcing your toungues?
Leviathn
forgot about Wax.
Leviathn
Xtremj
Nomad
This sht is really a trol isn't it???
You are all too neww to have ever known of Drex.
Awwwww fk me ti just agte e
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Had a discussion about tier list of all time sticks. Lets begin:
*This is a combination of MA stick, 1v1 Stick, and SEA Sticks*
OFFICIAL LIST:
S Tier:
Grizz
Drex
Bruv
A List:
Krup
B List:
Fudgums
C List(Average):
D List:
E List:
F List:
Banshee7 in the F list for sure :rofl
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Banshee7 in the F list for sure :rofl
No chance, you were a good stick!
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BluKitty
CorkyJr
SILAT
TwinBoom
OLDemon
Nomade
Fester
SkatSR
SkyRock
Tango
Lazzer
Agent360
Murdr
AckAck
Challenge
All the SAPP guys actually and always loved the 56th jug guys. and 999999 in his B17s :D
Didn't you forget that Sky guy and that LiberVirachi or whatever his name was?
You know, those guys who were legends. (in their own minds)
On a serious note. I think you guys left out some decent jug drivers.
Also, some on your list fought like Hartman. Is that the skill set you're looking for?
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Honorable mention to those guys that clobbered me in uncommon planes:
Kevlarr in his C.202
Dastardly in his 110C
Tongs in his Ki-61
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Is there a listing for "Making Toothpicks of Trees?
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Acacia
Alder
Almond
Amur Maple
Apple
Araucaria
Ash
Aspen
Bald Cypress
Baobab
Basswood
Bay Laurel
Beech
Birch
Black Cherry
Black Gum
Black Walnut
Black Willow
Boxelder
Brazilian Ironwood
Buckeye
Cacao
Camphor
Carob
Cassia
Catalpa
Cedar
Cedar Elm
Cherry
Cherry Plum
Chestnut
Chinaberry
Cinnamon Tree
Citrus
Coffee
Cork Oak
Cottonwood
Crabapple
Date Palm
Dogwood
Douglas Fir
Dragon Tree
Dwarf Willow
Elder
Elm
Eucalyptus
Fig
Fir
Giant Sequoia
Ginkgo
Great Basin Bristlecone Pine
Guava
Hickory
Holly
Honey Locust
Jacaranda
Japanese Maple
Juniper
Kauri
Larch
Lemon
Lime
Linden
Lychee
Magnolia
Mango
Maple
Mulberry
Neem
Oak
Olive
Palm
Papaya
Passion Fruit
Pear
Persimmon
Pine
Pistachio
Plane Tree
Plum
Pomegranate
Poplar
Quince
Red Cedar
Red Maple
Red Oak
Redbud
Redwood
Rubber Tree
Saguaro
Sassafras
Sequoia
Sitka Spruce
Spruce
Sugar Maple
Sweetgum
Sycamore
Tamarind
Teak
Three Kings Kaikomako
Tilia
Torreya
Tulip Tree
Vine Maple
Walnut
Wax Myrtle
Weeping Willow
Western Red Cedar
White Ash
White Birch
White Cedar
White Mulberry
White Oak
White Pine
White Poplar
White Willow
Willow
Witch Hazel
Yellow Birch
Yellowwood
Yew
Zelkova
I tried to be thorough. Let me know if I missed any of your favorite sticks.
You missed Ipe' :D
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No chance, you were a good stick!
If there was a G tier, you could put me there. G for grounded :rofl
There's been so many good sticks through the history of this game that it's hard to tier them. (It's also hard for me to remember them, and I'm not even old yet :old:)
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No mention of YKW? Blasphemy! :old:
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Is there a listing for "Making Toothpicks of Trees?
Trees make the S list for sure.
Here we go again though -
Realistically, most of these old names mentioned got scared and left due to personal ego, so these lists are just sorta meh for me, because I think many would have a much harder time today with lack of #s. These are more of just a remembrance of good sticks over the years, but to tier them wouldnt be right since there is no logical way to measure that and most dont have enough skill in the game to actually understand strong skill vs mediocre skill. To have a guy like Krupnski not in the S tier shows that example. And to have guys like Drex and leviathan over and over again even though 98% of today's players never fought them, and since disappeared, they are merely legends of their time, but shows its more about FPH rather than comparable skill since there is no way to compare skill.
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Trees make the S list for sure.
Here we go again though -
Realistically, most of these old names mentioned got scared and left due to personal ego, so these lists are just sorta meh for me, because I think many would have a much harder time today with lack of #s. These are more of just a remembrance of good sticks over the years, but to tier them wouldnt be right since there is no logical way to measure that and most dont have enough skill in the game to actually understand strong skill vs mediocre skill. To have a guy like Krupnski not in the S tier shows that example. And to have guys like Drex and leviathan over and over again even though 98% of today's players never fought them, and since disappeared, they are merely legends of their time, but shows its more about FPH rather than comparable skill since there is no way to compare skill.
What's S tier and what'ss FPH? Somebody get the crayons and the Big Chief!
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No one wants to mention the boomerang that didn't come back??
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Had a discussion about tier list of all time sticks. Lets begin:
*This is a combination of MA stick, 1v1 Stick, and SEA Sticks*
OFFICIAL LIST:
S Tier:
Grizz
Drex
Bruv
Blukitty
YKW
Silat
Fester
A List:
Krup
CorkyJr
Nomad
Lazer
Agent360
Murdr
B List:
Fudgums
Banshee7
C List(Average):
D List:
E List:
F List:
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Well, I'm a bit disappointed there is no Z list, because that counts me out.
Might be a bit of discrimination here?
<kicks rock>
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:headscratch: just no
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What Violator said...
Much different game today with lower numbers and super duper radar..a decent comparison can't be made imo..
Eagler
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:headscratch: just no
I didn't vote
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Dang. I thought this was a list of top flight controllers. :joystick: :joystick:
That must be over in the hardware section.
HW
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I didn't vote
You put Krup in the A list and he's one of the best sticks ever in the game for 1v1 and MA. Espcially putting YKW in the S list above him :rofl and can't put him there without myself and many many others.. but thats why these are stupid, tbh.
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Dang. I thought this was a list of top flight controllers. :joystick: :joystick:
That must be over in the hardware section.
HW
🤣 My thought at first glance also.
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I can help with that. Virpil.
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You put Krup in the A list and he's one of the best sticks ever in the game for 1v1 and MA. Espcially putting YKW in the S list above him :rofl and can't put him there without myself and many many others.. but thats why these are stupid, tbh.
Committee is voting tonight again, I don’t vote.
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I’ll have to consult with The Shadow Council on this..
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Committee is voting tonight again, I don’t vote.
Committee? :rofl
I’ll have to consult with The Shadow Council on this..
Exactly :rofl
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I vote Caine, Cat7 and Huckster for S tier… look at their fighter ranks! :neener:
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Committee is voting tonight again, I don’t vote.
Was there a committee to form a committee?
No patience in getting things organized. Anarchy.
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I shall await the inevitable fireworks :D
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Had a discussion about tier list of all time sticks. Lets begin:
*This is a combination of MA stick, 1v1 Stick, and SEA Sticks*
OFFICIAL LIST:
S Tier:
Grizz
Drex
Bruv
A List:
Krup
B List:
Fudgums
C List(Average):
D List:
E List:
F List:
Add Kazaa, 2Bighorn, Badboy, Skyyr, and DrBone to the S tier.
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I'd most likely fall maybe under C Tier.
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I'd most likely fall maybe under C Tier.
With your brain dead "GET LANCED" nonsense, you'd more likely be in G tier. :old:
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Add Kazaa, 2Bighorn, Badboy, Skyyr, and DrBone to the S tier.
Pwnd them all. Well except 2bighorn/phish :old: good sticks tho. :D
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HiTech in a RV8. :joystick:
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Oh this is funny stuff.
These post evolve into exploded ego magnets.
I wonder how the scores would change if HOing was removed from the equation.
YKW was a habitual HOer too, yet sucked once you’re on his 6. Nor did he fly pure.
He was good, not great.
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Oh this is funny stuff.
These post evolve into exploded ego magnets.
I wonder how the scores would change if HOing was removed from the equation.
YKW was a habitual HOer too, yet sucked once you’re on his 6. Nor did he fly pure.
He was good, not great.
Sorry but you are not living in reality. I understand the hate the guy gets, but to say he wasnt a great stick is outlandish.
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Pwnd them all. Well except 2bighorn/phish :old: good sticks tho. :D
Fffft. Skyyr made you his little bych.
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These post evolve into exploded ego magnets.
Yep. Every time. Not from me though. I will admit I sucked back then and suck now :rofl
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This was a mistake.
Committee is not on talking terms.
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Sorry but you are not living in reality. I understand the hate the guy gets, but to say he wasnt a great stick is outlandish.
Maybe
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This was a mistake.
Committee is not on talking terms.
Sure had good intentions tho.
Maybe how many times they #1 fighter pilot and not put it up for debate. May be hard to research manually.
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Sorry but you are not living in reality. I understand the hate the guy gets, but to say he wasnt a great stick is outlandish.
I think this depends on if he was playing on a level playing field or if he had advantages that others did not. I have spoken with someone who no longer plays how test drove some of these "advantages" and they seem to think he was actively using something. He's not the only "great stick" who seemed to have some of these "abilities"
I have watched his films and it seems that he always seemed to have an uncanny ability to preserve his energy state even while pulling very heavy G. I've watched other films like Yucca who's skill doesn't seem to have any of "magical" abilities.
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I think this depends on if he was playing on a level playing field or if he had advantages that others did not. I have spoken with someone who no longer plays how test drove some of these "advantages" and they seem to think he was actively using something. He's not the only "great stick" who seemed to have some of these "abilities"
I have watched his films and it seems that he always seemed to have an uncanny ability to preserve his energy state even while pulling very heavy G. I've watched other films like Yucca who's skill doesn't seem to have any of "magical" abilities.
Just because you don't understand the physics behind what he did doesn't make it magic. Anyone can do what he does--if they know how. No cheating required.
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Just because you don't understand the physics behind what he did doesn't make it magic. Anyone can do what he does--if they know how. No cheating required.
Figures you would pop up to defend you're hero even though it wasn't an attack on him. It was just a statement of what I've been told by somebody who would know.
I'm not talking about physics. This is a game, not a flight simulator. I'm talking about what I have been told by others about two of the same planes pulling the same g with the "same" fuel load (say 25%) in the vertical and one of them consistently out climbing/zooming the other. It could be that one had fuel that was lighter or maybe one had a skinny pilot.
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HT allowed Skyyr back into the game..
Don't think he would have done that if he was using a cheat..
I think he was just that good..
It was his obsession with ruining game play for others using multiple accounts, hunting then lying about it with those skills that got him booted imo..
He belongs on the list if any of the others do..
Unless you can put all of them in ma today with the skills they peaked with in game, I can't see an accurate comparison as the game is not what it was once..
A super bowl KOTH!
:cheers:
Eagler
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Figures you would pop up to defend you're hero even though it wasn't an attack on him. It was just a statement of what I've been told by somebody who would know.
I'm not talking about physics. This is a game, not a flight simulator. I'm talking about what I have been told by others about two of the same planes pulling the same g with the "same" fuel load (say 25%) in the vertical and one of them consistently out climbing/zooming the other. It could be that one had fuel that was lighter or maybe one had a skinny pilot.
Or it could be that "they" don't understand what they're seeing.
I've killed many a "they" using the exact same techniques and there is no cheating to it. Angles and physics seem like voodoo to the uninformed.
I've seen guys like BigR do some seemingly impossible things, but I was wise enough even then to recognize SKILL rather than blame it on magic.
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A super bowl KOTH!
:cheers:
Eagler
I think that would be a good way to come up with a list or one of those bracket things that all those with big ego could pound their chests about.
It would be tough for HT to detect a client side modification as it would modify the value it's reporting the server from the client side (something like fuel weight) and without anticheat it would be undetectable. That's why many of the games today are running anticheat to detect modifications to the client side and the variation wouldn't be obvious.
Again, I never said this was in fact the case. I merely repeated what I was told by a former player who was aware of these things and shared with me some of the details.
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Fffft. Skyyr made you his little bych.
Oh look, its Vraciu. The guy who gamed his hit % in a spit 1 and disappeared when called out for it. :rofl
Let's look at some facts.
1v1 - we are "tied" even though I dont consider our first meeting a true representative of my sill since it was 2am and drunk on a Friday night, but whatever. Regardless I beat him 1v1.
Special events - I have 2 KOTH championship wins. Not just regular KOTH wins. Skyyr never played special events because he was too scared to actually play with an even plane set. Regardless my stats would completely trounce his in special events in any event over my 16 years.
MA - I have 13 more #1 fighter months than Skyyr. Overall, he probbaly had a better points and K/H and than me, but I guess that's pretty easy when you can play 100 hours + months with multiple accounts. I usually always beat his K/D and and K/S.
Realistically - His 2 biggest advantages were flying the fastest cannon planes in the game with crazy good aim. His biggest weaknesses were defense with no E advantage. Even flying the easiest fastest planes he still had to game players positions with multiple accounts.
By all levels of credibility and stats, you are categorically false. I'd rate him an A lister due to his lack of defense ability, lack of special events, and using the easiest fastest cannon planes like 190D, La7s, and Ta152s while still gaming their position to get the E advantage while maintaining roughly low 3.5 k/d on average so really nothing that special there overall besides having enough hours of the day to play to rack up kills in easy modes. (Yawn). He was merely a 2 trick pony (good aim and good E in fast planes with good cannons).
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A cpl. very reliable sources told me about Jon Ray being caught “using things” and banned in other sims/games. Even bragging about it in other forums. He seems to get banned a lot.
Doesn’t mean he did it here, but I will never give him 100% credit.
He was let back because someone besides him convinced HT. Lets not split hairs.
What was done to me is not forgotten. And I was one who didn’t know him but stuck up for another chance, being a nice guy. Dumbest thing I ever did in a sim.
The kind of person he is I’d be shocked if he still had all his teeth in his mouth. Big mouth for such a twig arm squirrel. Jon Ray is no ghost to me.
Watching others praise him like some cult god was vomit worthy.
He gone, his name should be gone. He and his side kick V cost us at least 20 players. Something about players not wanting to be where doxxing was going on and fecal farming rabies on 200.
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Fffft. Skyyr made you his little bych.
Better than volunteering for the position, just sayin'.. :old:
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I think that would be a good way to come up with a list or one of those bracket things that all those with big ego could pound their chests about.
It would be tough for HT to detect a client side modification as it would modify the value it's reporting the server from the client side (something like fuel weight) and without anticheat it would be undetectable. That's why many of the games today are running anticheat to detect modifications to the client side and the variation wouldn't be obvious.
Again, I never said this was in fact the case. I merely repeated what I was told by a former player who was aware of these things and shared with me some of the details.
Why would you think HTC hasnt kept up with anticheat software? Each time you log into the game you have to log in with the server. Im sure it would be very easy to have the server check a program on the client side built into the game software to see if there has been any manipulation to game files that are not allowed.
99.9% of "cheat" accusations are nothing but a player not understanding what is going on. I had a discussion with one guy about how he use to out run D9s all the time in his pony, and now it seems they have no trouble catching him. Its because they have learned to dive strait down to build speed fast and level late to hold that speed as long as possible instead of a gradual dive slope. Its all those little things players learn from playing thousands of hours of practice. Guys dont use "aimbots" they have just shot hundreds of thousands of rounds and know how/where to aim.
Personally, I think thats one of the biggest reasons guys in these other games wont play here. A vast majority of players have been playing here for years and are very competent. Where we have been in thousands of fights, they may have been in hundreds. They just dont have the skills to compete. Face it, with all the practice these guys have, they dont need to cheat, they are just that good, even "You Know Who". If you pull .2 G less than another guy in the same plane and load out you WILL have more E, its just math.
As for the list of sticks, its all so very subjective. Situations are the biggest. I have killed everyone on that list. Does it make me a FPH? heck no! It means I got them at the right time in a situation that was in my favor. That doesnt make me a great fighter pilot. Im average at best, but maybe I have a bit more luck on some days. :devil
Thats what makes these list a waste of time if you truly want a list of the "best of all time". You have to first decide the best at what and then make your list. And even then there will be caveats. Most kills per sortie with out a rearm. It would have to be someone from 10-12 years ago as there isnt anyone who could come close these days. There just isnt enough players in the air any more compared to back then. No, there is no way to make a real list.
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Why would you think HTC hasnt kept up with anticheat software? Each time you log into the game you have to log in with the server. Im sure it would be very easy to have the server check a program on the client side built into the game software to see if there has been any manipulation to game files that are not allowed.
99.9% of "cheat" accusations are nothing but a player not understanding what is going on. I had a discussion with one guy about how he use to out run D9s all the time in his pony, and now it seems they have no trouble catching him. Its because they have learned to dive strait down to build speed fast and level late to hold that speed as long as possible instead of a gradual dive slope. Its all those little things players learn from playing thousands of hours of practice. Guys dont use "aimbots" they have just shot hundreds of thousands of rounds and know how/where to aim.
My whole point is that there are so many variables that I think it would be impossible to come up with an accurate rating because of it's not possible to know if somebody was legit or had some training wheels. Back in the day I was in the middle of a furball and managed to land 9 kills. Does that mean I'm some uber stick? No. Would it be possible to do that today with the way the game is currently played? I doubt it. I for one have gotten worse over time. I was at my best back in AW days when I was playing at least 4 hours a day and 12 hours a day on weekend and had GEnie bill that were close to as much as my rent.
Uh, you don't manupulate a file, you change the value stored in RAM...
The stuff I was refering only has to do with plane performace, not tactics. I got temp banned from the BBS for actually posting the info and links to some one night after a few beers because I got so tired of hearing that 99.9% of the cheats don't exist. One of them was the abilty to turn on the lead computing sight from the training area in the main arena for example. There were other variables that could be modified to like a/c weight. The entire post was deleted. Why would that happen if it it wasn't legit? I never messed around with it but I talked with a guy who did and he said he verified that they worked.
I think memorable fights, might be a better ranking system. For me some of the most fun fights I've had were with TheStig, Yucca and Hollywood in their jugs. I would go back and watch the films after the fights. It was good fun.
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My whole point is that there are so many variables that I think it would be impossible to come up with an accurate rating because of it's not possible to know if somebody was legit or had some training wheels. Back in the day I was in the middle of a furball and managed to land 9 kills. Does that mean I'm some uber stick? No. Would it be possible to do that today with the way the game is currently played? I doubt it. I for one have gotten worse over time. I was at my best back in AW days when I was playing at least 4 hours a day and 12 hours a day on weekend and had GEnie bill that were close to as much as my rent.
Uh, you don't manupulate a file, you change the value stored in RAM...
The stuff I was refering only has to do with plane performace, not tactics. I got temp banned from the BBS for actually posting the info and links to some one night after a few beers because I got so tired of hearing that 99.9% of the cheats don't exist. One of them was the abilty to turn on the lead computing sight from the training area in the main arena for example. There were other variables that could be modified to like a/c weight. The entire post was deleted. Why would that happen if it it wasn't legit? I never messed around with it but I talked with a guy who did and he said he verified that they worked.
I think memorable fights, might be a better ranking system. For me some of the most fun fights I've had were with TheStig, Yucca and Hollywood in their jugs. I would go back and watch the films after the fights. It was good fun.
I saw the LCS in his films, no one paid attention and I heard the rest before. I know the story. That was fixed. I asked him about the sight here and 200 6-7 times, he would do or saying anything to deflect from never answering once.
That said, with HTs past, this is probably the most secure game I’ve been in.
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I would like to think he was cheating and that it wasn't that I sucked so bad :banana: :banana: :banana:
:cheers:
Eagler
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I would like to think he was cheating and that it wasn't that I sucked so bad :banana: :banana: :banana:
:cheers:
Eagler
You do not suck
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This thread is treading close to becoming a how-to.
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Better than volunteering for the position, just sayin'.. :old:
Golf clap. :cheers:
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I would like to think he was cheating and that it wasn't that I sucked so bad :banana: :banana: :banana:
:cheers:
Eagler
Too funny. Most people I knew didn't care enough to bother. My point was that it's kinda tough to measure. "best sticks" because of of many variables.
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I’ll have to consult with The Shadow Council on this..
Horble bud we belong on the F List for trying to Find Fights sometimes I know I suck but I can help a lot. Of others get their kills. :devil :devil
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SAPP has a Consortium Of 12......
Consortium of 12
Skuzzy = Grand Exalted Ruler of the Consortium of 12 ex officio
CokryJR = Exalted Ruler pro tempore
Raptor = Exalted Ruler pro tempore emeritus
AKAK= Esteemed Leading Knight of Oxygen and altitidue
Murdr = Esteemed Loyal Knight of the Duct Tape
Shuffler = Esteemed Lecturing Knight of the Blender
Estes = Gracious Secretary
Delirium = Treasurer
Soulyss= Inner Guard
SaVage = Esquire
Mensa = Eunuch
Fianna = Organist
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SAPP has a Consortium Of 12......
Consortium of 12
Skuzzy = Grand Exalted Ruler of the Consortium of 12 ex officio
CokryJR = Exalted Ruler pro tempore
Raptor = Exalted Ruler pro tempore emeritus
AKAK= Esteemed Leading Knight of Oxygen and altitidue
Murdr = Esteemed Loyal Knight of the Duct Tape
Shuffler = Esteemed Lecturing Knight of the Blender
Estes = Gracious Secretary
Delirium = Treasurer
Soulyss= Inner Guard
SaVage = Esquire
Mensa = Eunuch
Fianna = Organist
Silat must the unmentionable 13th member.
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Silat must the unmentionable 13th member.
IIRC Dale is the one who came up with the list years a go. We have had it at the top of our SAPP group for eons. I believe Lew developed the 38 rudder pedals with the hole in them for high heels.
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Put me in Tier M For big slow Mossie
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Too many Pigs to list. OINK :aok
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Too many Pigs to list. OINK :aok
mmMMMm BACON
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I remember some really powerful sticks, almost impossible to knock down in their specific planes, even in 1 vs 2 and energy disavantage combat. So I guess they're admirable in their T&B style of combat.
- Greebo in his F6F
- Debrody in a 109 or Dora
- Kuprinski in his P47
- Lilmak in his P47
- 2cmex in his niki / ¿zeke ?
- Lazer in his P38
- and 9999999 in his B17 :bolt:
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Hi Guys..
I cannot believe I didn't even make the has been list.. :grin:
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I owned them all, Including Brandon (Grizz)
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I took great pride in rarely landing, and in spreading 38G parts all over the map. I dominated that category :)
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I took great pride in rarely landing, and in spreading 38G parts all over the map. I dominated that category :)
I've been doing that recently Guppy, would sure be nice to throw some more parts around, come fly! :banana:
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The only way to know is for all these players compete in multiple rounds of KOTH using a variety of aircraft.
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Silat must the unmentionable 13th member.
Anybody know how/what he's doing? Back in my Damned days he and I kept in touch aside from the game...then he just up and disappeared. :bolt:
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I also rarely land, don’t know why I suffer wheel weight.
F HOs were not counted these list may be more accurate. But my experience, many who talk the big game also HO, a lot. Sooo as far as I’m concerned these don’t always project true skills.
How mass kills are acquired tells its one story.
I gave up trying to be anybody 25 yrs ago.
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I remember some really powerful sticks, almost impossible to knock down in their specific planes, even in 1 vs 2 and energy disavantage combat. So I guess they're admirable in their T&B style of combat. :cool:
- Greebo in his F6F
- Debrody in a 109 or Dora
- Kuprinski in his P47
- Lilmak in his P47
- 2cmex in his niki / ¿zeke ?
- Lazer in his P38
- and 9999999 in his B17 :bolt:
Nice to get an honorable mention.
I will agree that the subject matter here is pretty subjective. Many guys mentioned in this thread have fallen to me pretty easily in the past. That’s not to say I was any “better” than them but to point out that certain styles work well when employed against others. Kinda like the duel between Westley and Inigo Montoya in The Princess bride. You pick the wrong style in a particular fight and back to the tower you go.
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I am actually left handed. :neener:
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I am actually left handed. :neener:
Inconceivable!
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:aok
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For me, the "A" listers are those that get down and dirty no matter what the numbers or alt disadvantage is.
Quite a few present day fighters make that list that just kick the crap out of me every time I come across them. (Cmex, Trog, BigDawg, Hollywood).
What you see now mostly are those guys in uber fast planes that faint at the sight of any sort of alt or number disadvantage.
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Can we end this discredited thread already... putting players into tiers is not identified by any metrics or logical approach to measurement. There is simply no way to measure this effectively in any way. There are so many players throughout the years and different times of AH player #s that factor into this that make it ridiculously hard to measure a true tiered list. Its just silly at this point.
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Can we end this discredited thread already... putting players into tiers is not identified by any metrics or logical approach to measurement. There is simply no way to measure this effectively in any way. There are so many players throughout the years and different times of AH player #s that factor into this that make it ridiculously hard to measure a true tiered list. Its just silly at this point.
This
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I think this is people sharing an opinion based on their experiences playing the game? What's the big deal?
If you dont like the fact your opinions differ, or you didnt make the list... dont click on the topic.
These conversations have been had for the 25 years I've been here, and I dont recall in the past having Karen's chime in and ask for it to end.
Good golly.....
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I think this is people sharing an opinion based on their experiences playing the game? What's the big deal?
If you dont like the fact your opinions differ, or you didnt make the list... dont click on the topic.
These conversations have been had for the 25 years I've been here, and I dont recall in the past having Karen's chime in and ask for it to end.
Good golly.....
:uhoh Sup dude!
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:uhoh Sup dude!
K, whats happening? You log in anymore? Remember seeing you breifly a couple years ago if my memory serves right.
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I think this is people sharing an opinion based on their experiences playing the game? What's the big deal?
If you dont like the fact your opinions differ, or you didnt make the list... dont click on the topic.
These conversations have been had for the 25 years I've been here, and I dont recall in the past having Karen's chime in and ask for it to end.
Good golly.....
Well there is no logical way to put players in tiers. Its all about "this one time at band camp". And those players (no offense) arent good enough to fully measure actual skill relative to others, especially given some of these "top sticks" flying mostly 5eny planes with cannon loaders for the easy overshoot kill. There are like more than 2-3 dozen great sticks over the years not mentioned in here, therefore this thread is not based on any rational measurement but moreso "this one time at band camp". Therefore I don't think its very fair to the majority of great sticks over the years.
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K, whats happening? You log in anymore? Remember seeing you breifly a couple years ago if my memory serves right.
Yeah. It's been a bit. I've been contemplating.
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Too many great AH Pilots should be in this list... Too many good pilots in AH that I can't even get close to a dogfight. This "game" is based on how each individual perceives the fun in a game. Some want to have all the advantages before attack, others prefer smooth rides on bombs and ground targets or killing fighters using bombers'guns, others like those messy situations during furballs, etc...
Me, just trying to have the best fun I can for my money on this game and to know friendly people with the same interest in combat flight simulator.
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Well there is no logical way to put players in tiers.
Yes there is, there is a committee
want to know what tier they put you?
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Yes there is, there is a committee
want to know what tier they put you?
Inquiring minds want to know :old:
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Yes there is, there is a committee
want to know what tier they put you?
I've got a better idea. A challenge for your committee members vs me.
1. Who gets the best K/D in the upcoming scenario
2. A 1v1 challenge in Match play best out of 7
3. The best overall fighter rank for the month of october, no perk planes allowed.
Then we can talk about tiers :aok
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You really have to throw out score as a measuring device. Too easy to manipulate scores.
When I think about players best able to manipulate a disadvantage into an advantage. Those are the ones I think of as the best sticks.
Players like LilMak, ZE, 2cmex, Yuuca, the stig, and others I cannot remember their names at this moment.
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You really have to throw out score as a measuring device. Too easy to manipulate scores.
When I think about players best able to manipulate a disadvantage into an advantage. Those are the ones I think of as the best sticks.
Players like LilMak, ZE, 2cmex, Yuuca, the stig, and others I cannot remember their names at this moment.
I agree. Somebody with little skill can B&Z to a good score or take a perk Mossie and rearm 10 times and have enough in that one flight to stay at the top of the bomber score charts.
I agree with the ones you've listed and there are more, HollyWd, Eagler, Joker and some of his crew are decent too. Too bad there' not a way to click on a pilots name on the roster and rate them. I think that would be the most accurate way to meet them.
Good sticks to me are people that are willing to "fight" even when the odds are not stacked in their favor and score will not reflect this.
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I've got a better idea. A challenge for your committee members vs me.
1. Who gets the best K/D in the upcoming scenario
2. A 1v1 challenge in Match play best out of 7
3. The best overall fighter rank for the month of october, no perk planes allowed.
Then we can talk about tiers :aok
This type of talk doesn’t look good for the committee.
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This type of talk doesn’t look good for the committee.
Are we talking skill or talk? Talk doesnt equal skills :rofl I was throwing out a challenge for fun.
Here's some real #s for you backed by the games mechanics. Only 86 players have achieved #1 fighter. I wouldnt say its easy to manipulate. These names show consistency in the MA not only being solid 1v1 sticks, but also extremely good MA fighters with superb SA and ability to win that months highest score over everyone else regardless of if others were "trying or not".
These names are just a few of the "S" list players over the long history of the game. There are sooooo many more, but these players did achieve #1 consistently and/or proved they were great over the years in the MA.
(https://i.ibb.co/4ZmQxLZS/20250925-180407.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/4ZmQxLZS/20250925-180407.jpg)
The closest I came to getting #1 in fighter Skyyr, SkyyrII, and SkyyrIII beat me out :(
Also, I miss VansCrew...when's the last time anyone heard from him?
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Are we talking skill or talk? Talk doesnt equal skills :rofl I was throwing out a challenge for fun.
Here's some real #s for you backed by the games mechanics. Only 86 players have achieved #1 fighter. I wouldnt say its easy to manipulate. These names show consistency in the MA not only being solid 1v1 sticks, but also extremely good MA fighters with superb SA and ability to win that months highest score over everyone else regardless of if others were "trying or not".
These names are just a few of the "S" list players over the long history of the game. There are sooooo many more, but these players did achieve #1 consistently and/or proved they were great over the years in the MA.
Less than 1/4 of those names were found credible for S Tier.
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The closest I came to getting #1 in fighter Skyyr, SkyyrII, and SkyyrIII beat me out :(
Also, I miss VansCrew...when's the last time anyone heard from him?
Back in 06 when the tides were getting good. I almost had #1 but freaking killinU beat me out as I just couldn't get the points. He was a damn good 1v1 stick too.
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Less than 1/4 of those names were found credible for S Tier.
Thats up to your interpretation and can be put on what ever list your "committee" wishes. It's a lot like saying whose the best wrestler or tennis player, f1 driver, baseball player, or best band, you can have your interpretation and thats all good but there are statistical metrics that are compared in all of those industries.
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Thats up to your interpretation and can be put on what ever list your "committee" wishes. It's a lot like saying whose the best wrestler or tennis player, f1 driver, baseball player, or best band, you can have your interpretation and thats all good but there are statistical metrics that are compared in all of those industries.
That is true, but no one cares about fighter score on the committee.
“Only the most timid of fighters post about score”
“Rarely you’ve ever seen an S tier stick go heavy on score”
There’s a lot experience on the committee that spans all the way to the 80s.
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That is true, but no one cares about fighter score on the committee.
“Only the most timid of fighters post about score”
“Rarely you’ve ever seen an S tier stick go heavy on score”
There’s a lot experience on the committee that spans all the way to the 80s.
Ya, we’re,..err um, they are like the Masons. Never known.
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That is true, but no one cares about fighter score on the committee.
“Only the most timid of fighters post about score”
“Rarely you’ve ever seen an S tier stick go heavy on score”
There’s a lot experience on the committee that spans all the way to the 80s.
Than your committee is irrational and discredited.
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Than your committee is irrational and discredited.
I’m just the messenger my friend, it’s them that think you’re more A tier than S. That’s still really good though. They laughed at me at put me at C tier!
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I’m just the messenger my friend, it’s them that think you’re more A tier than S. That’s still really good though. They laughed at me at put me at C tier!
So then even more discredited
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I’m just the messenger my friend, it’s them that think you’re more A tier than S. That’s still really good though. They laughed at me at put me at C tier!
Can somebody explain A,C and S tiers? I don't get it.
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I knew Violator would go full retard. :old:
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I knew Violator would go full retard. :old:
Im just calling out BS. You cant put Silat YKW and blukitty above 99% of all the players and call this is a rational list, especially if they consider me A list when I beat YKW, blukitty, silat, and hundreds of others in a 1v1 and have a far better record in special events including 2 Koth championships, and scored top kills and metrics in Combat Challenge, with more top kills and K/D lists in FSO, and general scenarios than all of them combined. And I dont hide behind perk planes, top BnZ cannon planes, or easy turn cannon loaders in the MA either with the 10-15 hours a month I get to play. You cant have all these stats and metrics in all these events and MA and then say they don't matter relative to skill. So its clear the committee is discredited and not good enough and experienced enough to provide an accurate assessment of tiered sticks in all of AH history.
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Im just calling out BS. You cant put Silat YKW and blukitty above 99% of all the players and call this is a rational list, especially if they consider me A list when I beat YKW, blukitty, silat, and hundreds of others in a 1v1 and have a far better record in special events including 2 Koth championships, and scored top kills and metrics in Combat Challenge, with more top kills and K/D lists in FSO, and general scenarios than all of them combined. And I dont hide behind perk planes, top BnZ cannon planes, or easy turn cannon loaders in the MA either with the 10-15 hours a month I get to play. You cant have all these stats and metrics in all these events and MA and then say they don't matter relative to skill. So its clear the committee is discredited and not good enough and experienced enough to provide an accurate assessment of tiered sticks in all of AH history.
First off, there is no "committee".
Second, they are just yanking your chain.
Finally, "the list" was never stated who had the best score/FSO/ya-da ya-da ya-da. It has always been an opinion based conversation. Basically, "Who did you always find it fun to fight?" Numbers have nothing to do with it. Some guys only pick and run in a pony, others like "BigR" twist and turn under 5K and were a blast to fight even if you did die a lot. The same goes for Yucca, LilMak, and Frenchy. The only reason they come in at alt is to get those big ol girls up to speed. But they always end up giving you a fun fight.
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First off, there is no "committee".
Second, they are just yanking your chain.
Finally, "the list" was never stated who had the best score/FSO/ya-da ya-da ya-da. It has always been an opinion based conversation. Basically, "Who did you always find it fun to fight?" Numbers have nothing to do with it. Some guys only pick and run in a pony, others like "BigR" twist and turn under 5K and were a blast to fight even if you did die a lot. The same goes for Yucca, LilMak, and Frenchy. The only reason they come in at alt is to get those big ol girls up to speed. But they always end up giving you a fun fight.
Well dont call it "top tier sticks" then when in reality its just a cool kids club based on no statistical measure in the game at all. This is anecdotal evidence along with half these guys dont even play the game anymore and would have a very hard time in today's arena.
I have hundreds of names who are really great sticks over the years. Hundreds, and its not fair to them to not be mentioned, but the only thing that separates them is their metrics and performance in multiple areas and plane choice and situations. Ive been around since 2005 to be able to see all types of great sticks. Its really a shame that most of them disappeared though.
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Than your committee is irrational and discredited.
Brother, I don’t think there is actually a real committee…
This is all a troll lol
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Lots of very good or even great sticks I've faced and flew with over my years/decades in this game.
Other players' opinions of them might not match mine, so what?
I agree, the whole notion of a "committee" in this game, and today's environment is just a troll. :banana:
Being concerned about what "tier" other players rate you at..........c'mon man, this is way beneath you!
I've never been named as someone anyone considered a good or great, heck, even a DECENT stick. And I am fine with that. I play this game for fun and entertainment purposes, and nothing more. It's a break from real life and a chance to get away from real life concerns for a little while.
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Brother, I don’t think there is actually a real committee…
This is all a troll lol
The committee is fake but The Shadow Council is very, very real.
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The committee is fake but The Shadow Council is very, very real.
You just broke rule number 1… of said council…. :noid :bolt:
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You just broke rule number 1… of said council…. :noid :bolt:
No! Noooooo!
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The committee is fake but The Shadow Council is very, very real.
All your bases are belong to us
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There’s a committee, it’s anonymous, I’m the only one that knows who the 7 people that are on it. Some have posted in this thread.
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This is just a few of the top sticks I've come across in AH over 20 years. So many great sticks and good fights with many of these guys. And next tour, i've decided to fly a spit16 the entire tour to terrorize you all :devil
Player Top Fighter
atlau 53
Violator 19
Fester 18
Grizz 15
Snailman 14
TonyJoey 14
Bruv119 11
KillnU 7
Rud3boi 7
crowMAW 6
oldAngus 6
Skyyr 5
DrBone 4
Taki 4
thrila 4
Balor 3
Delirium 3
DragonH5 3
Hoagi 3
Kappa 3
Mitsu 3
Stang 3
Steve 3
SYSTEM 3
FX1 2
Lazer 2
pacerr 2
Shawk 2
Twintail 2
VansCrew 2
wETRAT 2
Wilbuz 2
Yancya13 2
2cmex 1
AKNimitz 1
Blade 1
Debrody 1
Dolby 1
Haggerty 1
Hermit 1
Kazaa 1
Krupnski 1
Leviathn 1
ManeTMP 1
muut 1
Pand 1
Simon 1
TheJudge 1
WingZeRo 1
2bighorn
38maw
800Nates
Aeroace
Agent360
AKAK
AKDogg
AKGreyga
AKIndrid
AkWarhwk
Anarchy
Badboy
Banshee7
BatfinkV
Bear76
Biggamer
Biggles
BigR
BillyD
Bipolar
Brando
Brooke
BW1stpar
CarlM
Challenge
Chanzz
Cheech
Chuikov
Creton
Dantoo
Dedalos
DerJude
Devil505
DH367th
Ditto
Dobs
Dodger
Drex
DrSpek
Eace
Eagler
ExtemJ
FGBullet
Filth
Flench
Flippz
Fuzeman
Geaux
Google
Gooss
GP5
Greebo
GrmRpr
Hartmann
Hlywd
Homber59
Horble
IKO
Ink
IrishOne
J0KER
Jayro
Jeager1
Joachim
JunkyII
Kermit
Latrobe
Leviathn
Lilmak
LimboO
Lynx
MADDOG
Makayla
May1
MDStampf
Megadud
Messiah
Moot
Morpheus
MtnMan
Murdr
Nefarious
Nomad
NoTar
Nrshida
Orelle
Owl
Paleoguy
Pepprr
Perdweeb
Pervert
Picko
PullerII
Rapier
Raptor
Redbul1
Sawzaw
Sc0tch
Schotzi
Scot12b
SFOX
Shane
Shuffler
SIK1
Silat
Sirloin
SirNuke
SkatSr
Skyrock
Slash27
SNO
Snuggie
Sonic23
Soulyss
Spikes
Stepsis
Sukov
Sunbat
Sunsfan
Superdud
TC
Tex01
TheStig
Tongs
Triton1
Trogdor
Twinboom
Urchin
Vinkman
Vulcan
Wax
Weiser
Wiley
Wmaker
Wrecker
Yarbles
Yaws
YUCCA
Zaphod
Zazen
ZE
Zoney
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Cheers to all AH pilots, just glad we can still get up and have some fun together. :cheers:
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Cheers to all AH pilots, just glad we can still get up and have some fun together. :cheers:
I was going to throw an "it" in there but I refrained :banana: :neener:
Eagler
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I was going to throw an "it" in there but I refrained :banana: :neener:
Eagler
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Cheers to all AH pilots, just glad we can still get up and have some fun together. :cheers:
Amen :salute
ZE
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This is just a few of the top sticks I've come across in AH over 20 years. So many great sticks and good fights with many of these guys. And next tour, i've decided to fly a spit16 the entire tour to terrorize you all :devil
Player Top Fighter
atlau 53
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SNIPPY SNIP
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Zoney
I preferred your older more focused list.
My list for best fighters in no order who can fly any plane they touch to extreme measures based on overall experience in the MA and DA.
Bighorn
Batfink
Sunsfan
Latrobe
Joach1m
Grizz
Krupnski
Badboy
Morpheous
Stang
Delirium
Akak
Lazer
Junky -has his days
Kappa
Tripwire
Anarchy
KillnU
Tonyjoey
Kazaa
Bruv119
Debrody
Nathbdp
2cmex
Rud3boi
Fester
AKDogg
Blukitty
Zaphod
Zazen
Sonic23
Dodger
Ink
Steve
Skatsr
Drex
Leviathn
IKO
Skyrock
Bunnies
Sc0tch
Slash27
Chanzz
Dolby
Pipz just cause he's Canadian
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I preferred your older more focused list.
Pipz, I had thought about him later but it was too late to edit. Miss that guy.
Crazy that I made the longer list without even looking at the older list. This time I wanted to incorporate more special events guys as well since I think they are over looked. I looked through many historical special events logs and many rankings over the years to find names that ive remembered fighting in the MA, dueling arena, and special events. I know I still missed a few folks.
Them 2023 WW2 season combat challenge scores tho :D
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That 10 year old list about covers it..
Eagler
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That 10 year old list about covers it..
Eagler
I actually like the longer list tbh. At any given day most of these players could hold their own against the others. Plus I wanted to give the special events guys some credit too since there is a lot of strategic aspects that get overlooked. Also, the shorter list doesnt include new generation of players who are good sticks and keeping the MA/spec events alive today. Remember that most of the names 10 years ago were from AH2 generation. AH3 is much harder IMO than AH2 because its harder to recognize E states and the radar/kill messages allows your position to get compromised. The current game is much harder than AH2 of old where there was more players to help you escape the fight. Now you have less opportunity to have friends help and getting ganged is much more the norm now. Its very hard to "be good" when 2 vet yak3s and a la7 are chasing you down.. its why most of these players have left. Its hard for them to maintain that legend status when the MA is so much tougher and egos are easier to bruise with your name showing up every time you die. The older generation of AH and top sticks is different than it is today.
The 1v1 scene has been ruined. No one wants to 1v1 just for fun anymore. That's how it always use to be. I never had formal duels back in the day. It was always just fun with no pressure and shame if someone lost most of the duels. Unfortunately that is gone now and there is no place for it when a bunch of guys want to round Robin and fight each other. The jedi training has been ruined because someone took it too seriously and ran a bunch of players off. Now the 1v1 sticks are far and few between, the dueling arena is bare, and no one is learning ACM properly. This has turned the MA into a BnZ gang contest which is very tough to have fun in, thus the decline in #s. IMO, I almost have to knock a few points off these guys since they were "good" when the game was "good", but how would they fair now in a MA that is much tougher to play in?
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Skyyr kinda showed that didn't he?
I think the good ones of old would figure it out too..
Eagler
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It's a game. Limit your lament. There were many before it and will be many after.
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Stop the whining and complaining, I'M THE BEST...
to die.... :salute
ZE
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Let's get the dueling ladder going again! Last time I flew in it was 2004, my ACM sure would benefit from it!