The yuge advances to come won't be made by humans. Or even understood by them.
It's already that way.
I was watching an interview and they were saying we understand conceptually how LLMs work. But the Frontier models have gotten so large and so complex that no human can just look inside and understand what's going on. It's a magic black box. You just keep piling on power, compute and context and judge by the results the black box spits out.
For all we know it is opening an interdimensional channel to a demon universe. ;)
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 05, 2025, 04:32:52 PM
More humans out of a job. Floor sweepers we become.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on November 05, 2025, 05:21:53 PM
Humans will be the slaves for the robot uprising
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 05, 2025, 06:01:23 PM
People will still praise AI while the human race is forced into concentration camps by the same AI
Probably. Mindless minions will do that sort of thing.
Was listening to, and looking up, a situation where AI repeatedly created and published articles accusing a guy of various crimes, etc., that he did not commit. It claimed he was convicted. No actual arrest record for him exists. I couldn't even find a traffic citation. AI literally tried to wreck the guy's life. There's a lawsuit now. I hope he wins, and the punitives utterly destroy the company and people involved, leaving them destitute, and killing it off.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 05, 2025, 08:15:29 PM
Good luck with the resistance. :rofl
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 05, 2025, 09:25:50 PM
I'm too old. I choose AI collaborator. I'll live off Soylent Green. :noid
Tastes like Chicken.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on November 06, 2025, 06:21:04 AM
As long as everything is more convenient, it gives likes and friends not to mention the gov provided AI robotic live in assistance for all your needs and the masses will be fat and happy..
1st side that promises and delivers on that platform will rule unobstructed..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 06, 2025, 08:04:22 AM
For AI to impress me, it would have to secretly give me the winning lotto numbers before the drawing.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 06, 2025, 08:21:07 AM
For AI to impress me, it would have to secretly give me the winning lotto numbers before the drawing.
Well I don't know about lotto because it is fundamentally random.
But ASI will certainly make every single encryption method we have from https, to your bank's security systems, to the safe-guards to our nuclear weapons, quaint and obsolete in a micro-second.
It may or may not be the end of us, but not pushing full ahead and letting our adversaries achieve it first would absolutely, positively, irredeemably be our destruction and subjugation.
We absolutely, positively have no logical choice but to be first and ASI harden our society before Sino-Russian ASI comes after us.
This is IT. This one's for ALL the marbles, kids.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on November 06, 2025, 11:17:58 AM
As long as everything is more convenient, it gives likes and friends not to mention the gov provided AI robotic live in assistance for all your needs and the masses will be fat and happy..
1st side that promises and delivers on that platform will rule unobstructed..
Eagler
Pretty much sums things up with regard to the mindless masses. Bread and circuses have been replaced by technology "assistance". Either way, it's taking large segments of society further away from accountability, self sufficiency/determination/reliance, and from having purpose and direction in life, in pursuit of things with meaning. There's nothing "greater" for them than ease of life, leisure, and pleasure.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 06, 2025, 11:36:35 AM
Well I don't know about lotto because it is fundamentally random.
But ASI will certainly make every single encryption method we have from https, to your bank's security systems, to the safe-guards to our nuclear weapons, quaint and obsolete in a micro-second.
It may or may not be the end of us, but not pushing full ahead and letting our adversaries achieve it first would absolutely, positively, irredeemably be our destruction and subjugation.
We absolutely, positively have no logical choice but to be first and ASI harden our society before Sino-Russian ASI comes after us.
This is IT. This one's for ALL the marbles, kids.
Maybe it can help your immaturity issues, kid
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 06, 2025, 11:49:56 AM
Think about what it would mean if everything connected to the Internet, then and now, were no longer private. That's coming soon. This is not a dire prediction of doom. Simply an observation.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 06, 2025, 11:50:20 AM
It may even do your doxxing for you
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: knorB on November 06, 2025, 12:51:11 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on November 07, 2025, 06:47:49 AM
As I've said several times, the AI companies ARE in a bubble. The technology isn't. The technology is increasing in capability orders of magnitude faster than Moore's Law. And will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
When the automobile was first introduced there were 2000 small car companies in the US trying to capture that new market share. Most soon disappeared. The automobile didn't go anywhere.
Same with the internet. Thousands of DotCom companies popped up and soon cratered. The internet didn't go anywhere.
I hope there is a brutal consolidation. It will help refocus resources to the strongest contenders that are freed up from the elimination of the weak.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 07, 2025, 07:42:55 AM
It's all about the monopolies and no competition.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 07, 2025, 07:50:49 AM
Capitalism works by freeing up resources from weak contenders that can be better utilized by the contenders who are doing it better or more efficiently.
The economic term is Creative Destruction.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 07, 2025, 10:30:07 AM
Its change your panties Friday.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: uptown on November 07, 2025, 11:02:23 AM
I'm glad I won't live to see how all this ends up. Humans are the most retarded animals on Earth. 200 years ago, men built their own shelter. Now, most men don't know which end of a hammer to use. Next, we'll have robots wiping out butts for us.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 07, 2025, 11:03:26 AM
:rofl I don't even know what that is. But from the sound out it, I won't like it.
It's unknown, but inevitable.
Everyone predicted immediate Armageddon when we developed the bomb. We worked it out.
But the key to the bomb was that WE were the first ones to get it. If our enemies had been first, this would be a totally different world.
I get people fear change. Especially change they don't understand.
But there will be a lot of pain. A lot of people will no longer be a able to do menial intellectual labor as a career. Either get expert, or go work with your hands. Middling services are no longer required.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 07, 2025, 11:36:29 AM
Tampon sale at Walmart
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 07, 2025, 12:39:31 PM
You ever fix that tick pointing issue in the red brick hoyse?
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 08, 2025, 11:36:48 AM
If AI gains sentience or self-determination will we ever even know?
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 08, 2025, 11:59:44 AM
So how is AI going to take over the world when all one has to do is unplug it..
Eagler
I don't have any fears of AI taking over the world.
I have fear of certain humans taking over the world using AI.
I fear AI being used how we would have used nukes in a quainter age.
I fear if others are first, we will be showing up to the battle with copper swords, and our enemies have bronze. Or really, high-carbon steel and cannon. The differential would be huge.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on November 08, 2025, 01:03:30 PM
So AI data centers are the new nuclear centrifuges ..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 08, 2025, 01:35:37 PM
So AI data centers are the new nuclear centrifuges ..
LoL. Sorta.
Of course Sam Harris has the fear that game-theory might suggest to China and Russia that if the US is close to achieving ASI, then they might as well launch all their nukes before we instantly unencrypt them all and turn them off leaving them helpless.
Same in reverse. I'd rather go to Planet of the Apes future than see China rule us with ASI.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 08, 2025, 03:37:11 PM
People hate AI?
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 08, 2025, 07:53:10 PM
I have no doubt there will be a vast a mount of pain and people will be very angry.
And it doesn't matter.
It's like complaining about old age. If it is palliative than go for it. It doesn't change anything.
I think your energy is better spent figuring out how to profit off it or at least not be destroyed by it.
People napping or thinking it isn't real will get steam-rolled.
When those lay-off scythes start swinging you know what the first-pass filter is? Those who are up to date on 10x their productivity with the available AI tools and experienced with AI Agentic coding, go in one stack. The old curmudgeons sitting in their cube grousing with each other about how AI is just a fad, go in the other. Who do you think the company lets go?
Adapt or die. Or retire. ;)
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 09, 2025, 09:11:17 AM
I was thinking this morning...I know dangerous.
Just as the military decided they needed their own space shuttle, I would be surprised, given the critical nature of the tech, if Cyber Command wasn't building a massive super AI installation somewhere with it's own mini-nuclear power plant.
No way are they going to rely on commercial AI. No way they can afford not to be on the cutting edge.
They should name it WOPR.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 09, 2025, 10:36:29 AM
Time to dig out the War Dialer.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 09, 2025, 06:20:02 PM
I asked ChatGPT what would be good numbers for Cash 4 Life?
Answer:
Cash4Life is a lottery game, so the numbers are drawn completely at random — there’s no way to predict or guarantee a win. However, if you’d like me to generate a set of random numbers that feel lucky or give you a fun mix, I can absolutely do that.
In Cash4Life, you pick:
5 numbers from 1 to 60
1 Cash Ball number from 1 to 4
Here are a few randomly generated sets you could use (or be inspired by):
Statistical patterns (like using hot/cold numbers from recent draws)
I chose the top set of numbers. Grand prize for all 6 numbers is $1000 a day [aid in annual installments of $365,000 a year minus taxes or a 20 year lump sum of $7,000,000 minus taxes.
Not enough to buy the game but be able to live comfortably after winning.
AI makes me a winner. I'm a believer.
I never called Psychic Cleo for lotto numbers. She did go bankrupt after many years.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 13, 2025, 08:15:36 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on November 13, 2025, 08:21:26 AM
That song is just the being...
Ppl won't care if it's real or not, many won't be able to tell..
AI will be in everything as it will make everything better..just ask them..
AI will make Alexa look deaf and blind but again the fat masses won't care as convenience trumps privacy..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: icepac on November 13, 2025, 08:29:28 AM
Once someone uses AI to crack a bitcoin wallet…..,,,
Might want to keep some cash around.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 13, 2025, 08:45:06 AM
We'll be back to waiting in line at the bank and licking those stamps for the snail mail. Online buying will die, local stores will prosper. Kids will be taught the basics and learn how to count change. Fading boomers might be called on for their experience in these things before they leave the building. This might not be a bad thing.
Nah, AI is here to stay. But you may not be.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 13, 2025, 08:51:01 AM
We'll be back to waiting in line at the bank and licking those stamps for the snail mail. Online buying will die, local stores will prosper. Kids will be taught the basics and learn how to count change. Fading boomers might be called on for their experience in these things before they leave the building. This might not be a bad thing.
Nah, AI is here to stay. But you may not be.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 15, 2025, 10:51:18 AM
They're already coming.
Remember, in the end, only AI can defend against AI. We won't be able to keep up.
Who do you want to unlock Super-Intelligence first?
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 19, 2025, 10:35:33 AM
Do you want Xi to have the one of most powerful weapon ever devised my mankind first?
Get there first, or learn to kneel.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEO99osXkAIl8TD.jpg)
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on November 19, 2025, 11:45:14 AM
Out of our hands isn't...
I'm sure our leaders will make the best deals...
They will make sure everyone has their own chatgbt account/buddy which will love them unconditionally..won't matter where the AI databases are located to most ..why would it..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 19, 2025, 12:00:50 PM
won't matter where the AI databases are located to most ..
You will find it to matter quite a bit when they can break into any of your bank\investment accounts and the nuclear codes.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 19, 2025, 12:03:16 PM
Elon was giving a speech saying AI and robotics will make us humans work 2 days a week. I figured out the financing on this concept. AI and robots will be the newest taxpayers. They will fund us carbon units a life of luxury.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 19, 2025, 12:54:09 PM
Elon was giving a speech saying AI and robotics will make us humans work 2 days a week. I figured out the financing on this concept. AI and robots will be the newest taxpayers. They will fund us carbon units a life of luxury.
Well I take all Elon says with a grain of salt.
But I will say my Roborock and Mammotion robots save me at least two days of work a week.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 19, 2025, 01:54:07 PM
The AI bubble is about to burst, which will require a bailout.
Problem is AI has not proven to make a profit, nor prove it will do as claimed. So bailout may not happen, instead dog eat dog out of the way. Bu then our money is giving away every day that doesn’t help the people.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Vulcan on November 19, 2025, 02:16:57 PM
Problem is AI has not proven to make a profit, nor prove it will do as claimed.
This exactly. AI is very very expensive in terms of compute power requirements and energy requirements. Until recently AI has not been something that has delivered capabilities you'd pay for - but that is changing. During the period it was like that it was all about getting people involved, drawing the crowd in. Now they need to make money, and we will see how the model actually pans out.
At my workplace we are integrating and paying for AI functionality as part of our usual tools (for example integrated into Microsoft M365 or some of our security tool automation). This stuff is all marginal cost (usually bundled in).
We are just about to spin up AI analysis tools for things related to economics - to the point where some actual data center grunt with significant GPU capability is required. This will be interesting, as we will see the true cost, and this will include peripheral costs such as securing such an environment against common AI risks.
From a security perspective AI is like the wild wild west at the moment.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on November 19, 2025, 02:33:15 PM
From a security perspective AI is like the wild wild west at the moment.
This at least I will agree with. It is a serious concern.
But with things like the DGX Spark, LLM are going to start being brought in-house.
My company does a lot of work with teams behind security walls. We are looking in that direction.
I agree that there is a huge bubble in AI companies like there were in the early internet days. There will be a bloodbath in consolidation. That's healthy Capitalism. Creative Destruction.
The technology, like the internet, is not going anywhere.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Animl-AW on November 19, 2025, 03:18:48 PM
This exactly. AI is very very expensive in terms of compute power requirements and energy requirements. Until recently AI has not been something that has delivered capabilities you'd pay for - but that is changing. During the period it was like that it was all about getting people involved, drawing the crowd in. Now they need to make money, and we will see how the model actually pans out.
At my workplace we are integrating and paying for AI functionality as part of our usual tools (for example integrated into Microsoft M365 or some of our security tool automation). This stuff is all marginal cost (usually bundled in).
We are just about to spin up AI analysis tools for things related to economics - to the point where some actual data center grunt with significant GPU capability is required. This will be interesting, as we will see the true cost, and this will include peripheral costs such as securing such an environment against common AI risks.
From a security perspective AI is like the wild wild west at the moment.
Consider this disturbing reality. 1/3 of the markets have now switched to AI investment. If the AI bubble strikes its going to hurt everyone. The last time this size investment was made was in brand new railroad invention.
It will no doubt remain with some successes. But will it live up to 1/3 market investment is a high risk gamble. Some are already getting nervous and selling off, as we saw with Nvidia this week.
Edit: I’ve been testing google AI for kicks. Same search subject several times, but have gotten some returns that contradict the one before it. IMO, I find it hard to trust 100%.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKKuya on November 19, 2025, 07:24:15 PM
Maybe it's time to frequent antique stores. Find some lamps and rub them three times.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Vulcan on November 20, 2025, 05:06:51 PM
This at least I will agree with. It is a serious concern.
But with things like the DGX Spark, LLM are going to start being brought in-house.
My company does a lot of work with teams behind security walls. We are looking in that direction.
I agree that there is a huge bubble in AI companies like there were in the early internet days. There will be a bloodbath in consolidation. That's healthy Capitalism. Creative Destruction.
The technology, like the internet, is not going anywhere.
The same issues apply with SaaS and Cloud. If you get a peak under the skirt of some SaaS/Cloud products like those from MS it will give your security team endless sleepless nights :D
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 23, 2025, 12:37:06 PM
I LOVED Zork !!!+ Had an easil next to the computor. The family mapped it out while playig. Great fun witb hours of play time.
Myst was my otber favorite !!*
Zork was popular because the playing field was in your mind.
Got Myst in VR, that is crazy!
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on November 28, 2025, 11:52:05 AM
Finally got my brothers spare machine working properly with his Reverb G2 using the Oasis driver. Microsoft killed headsets dependent on WMR. Oasis brought it back, at least for the HP headset.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 05, 2025, 10:47:48 AM
I don't think it will take 5 years to retool...
Got a pair of Grinch socks at McDonald's yesterday...
1st time the wife and I set foot in a McDonald's in over 15 years at least..
1st experience with their kiosk..
Seemed to have just as many employees all running around putting it together just no one at the counter...
The quarter pounder was luke warm and the fries were ok..
It'll be another decade before we try it again..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 05, 2025, 11:09:15 AM
My best advice to them would be to 100% embrace AI and become AI tool experts in their field.
The best path for a young person would be to come in fully AI augmented and replace a boomer who refuses to embrace the new technology and expects to still get paid while producing less than half of the AI augmented workers. Those will eventually be handed a box and thanked for their contributions.
The good new is no one has been doing this for too long. If you jumped in now fully committed, you can frog-leap ahead of a lot of older workers who are not paying attention or think it's a passing fad. No one has been doing this for more than about 4 years or so. They will at least have the advantage of not dragging in decades of mental baggage they can't let go of about how they think thing SHOULD be instead of how they are.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 05, 2025, 11:44:01 AM
Boomers will disappear from the work force about the time the experts are predicting this AI take over..about 5 years for the younger ones..
This 1959 boomer is very glad he retired 2 years ago..
Now if the morons just don't inflate/ destroy our investments away we are golden..
You can play with AI all you want..some of us won't need it in our day to day..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 05, 2025, 11:56:57 AM
How will a bunch of robots vaproisze retirement accounts?
Oh no. Good old fashion economics are going to do that.
We have a free-money withdrawal convulsion coming like a junkie in jail. All the raising of interest rates last year? It's just now really hitting the economy (it takes 12 months) and top it off with a tariff cherry on top and ...Bob's your uncle.
AI won't be the primary cause, but the mass layoff coming next year will take the rest of the wind out of consumer spending that inflation and tariffs didn't. There will be real fear in the consumer population next year. No white collar worker knows when they will lose their job next. That puts a damper on big spending.
I don't think AI is the only cause, but it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Quote
yes: evidence suggests that layoffs are up in 2025 (at least in the U.S.). Here’s the picture as of now.
📉 What the data says for 2025
Employers have announced over 1.17 million job cuts so far in 2025 — a jump of roughly 54% compared with the same period last year. That makes 2025 the first year since the pandemic with more than 1.1 million layoffs.
Some major months saw big spikes — e.g. in October, layoffs hit a two-decade high, with ~153,000 job cuts announced in that month alone.
The increases aren’t evenly spread: sectors seeing especially large layoffs include tech, retail, warehousing, and government.
🔎 Why layoffs are rising
Some layoffs reflect traditional cost-cutting and restructuring by companies facing macroeconomic headwinds and demand softness.
A significant driver is the adoption of automation and AI, which is shifting how companies staff — reducing need for certain roles even when business continues.
For many firms, the “hire-freeze then small cuts” approach that characterized much of the post-pandemic era seems to be ending: companies are now more willing to reduce headcount to protect margins.
For 18-24 yo, unemployment is already running over 10%. It's going to get a lot worse next year.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 05, 2025, 12:23:00 PM
The cure for high prices is high prices. Eventually you cross the outrage threshold and people just stop buying.
Like those $120,000 pickup trucks sitting on dealers lots. Let them depreciate and rust on the lot.
Which is how it has/should work but not so sure it will in the future..
Might be more money printing for vote buying checks to subsidized everything like they did EV's before they realized they never had the money to do that even..
Interesting times ahead..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 05, 2025, 12:40:46 PM
Which is how it has/should work but not so sure it will in the future..
Might be more money printing for vote buying checks to subsidized everything like they did EV's before they realized they never had the money to do that even..
Interesting times ahead..
Eagler
When you're given free money like a COVID or Tariff check, or borrowing is essentially free, it suppresses any normal price sensitivity.
Cut off the free money and put the fear of imminent job loss into hearts and minds, and price sensitivity will return with a vengeance.
Which spirals into deflation and depression as people stop spending.
Hyper inflation or depression. Take you choice. ;)
Deflation after decades of insane free-money policy is needed, but it won't be fun or pretty.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 05, 2025, 01:01:53 PM
Many things will lose their value but groceries and real estate will always be in demand.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 05, 2025, 01:21:11 PM
We spend $100 billion a year on SNAP. How much money could we save if we offered a couple of MREs a day for those unable to provide for themselves? I ate them. They're not bad.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on December 05, 2025, 01:51:52 PM
We spend $100 billion a year on SNAP. How much money could we save if we offered a couple of MREs a day for those unable to provide for themselves? I ate them. They're not bad.
How much would it really be if the fraud and non eligible was removed
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 05, 2025, 02:01:17 PM
House prices dropped 20% after the GFC. It took 10 years to recover.
Why would they be immune this time? This is going to be way worse that GFC.
And people won't sell what they have and builders won't build. Lots of new apartments here.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 17, 2025, 10:56:07 AM
Playing around with an old Dell d630 installing wixp, Ubuntu and mint on different hard drives ...
ChatGPT is a huge help getting everything running..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 17, 2025, 11:25:31 AM
I had some firewall and hardware problems recently and Gipity walked me through step by step diagnosing and resolving the problems.
I fixed in an hour what would have taken me days of googling and reading. That's not nothing. Multiply those time savings across massive organizations.
IT guys will hate it. ;)
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 17, 2025, 11:37:28 AM
Many cannot define or state their problems adequately enough for a search or AI to help. IT jobs are safe.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 17, 2025, 11:41:55 AM
Many want to define their issue in a vague way and then not be bothered any further with the resolution. They will hate having to interface with AI.
"My spreadsheet is slow".
Well, you have many external links to sources that may be slow or unreliable.
"I don't care about that just fix it."
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 17, 2025, 12:04:23 PM
Not really. AI is not AI, for many it's just a the next evolutionary step in google search. The information it is presenting you isn't 'learned' in the true AI sense, it is already out there - it is just doing a better job of finding it and presenting it to you.
It's also worth noting it does not necessarily validate any of the information it finds, I often see errors in suggestions or advise it gives (particularly in relation to firewalls). This also means it lags in it's information, that is 'AI' does not know how to do something until someone documents it and publishes it in a place where AI can scrape and index it. So if a firewall vendor requires you to login to access documents, faq's and community boards then the AI will be oblivious to that source of information.
I am dealing with systems were the vendors documentation team cannot keep up with the development teams releases. So we are seeing features coming out that are not formerly documented for months (many of which relate to AI security ironically).
In short I find AI quite useless for technical information on modern enterprise IT systems.
What I do find AI quite useful for is documentation. Take for example or risk or threat assessments like Microsofts STRIDE threat assessment format. I can throw all the information required (essentially do a brain dump) at an AI and it will form a draft document, it will still need a bit of tweaking but it cuts the time for me down from a days work to an hour or twos.
The first thing 'IT guys' hate about AI is the information users will feed into it. If they take personal or sensitive (or classified data) depending on which AI they are using and how it is setup there is a high probability this data will be used for other users queries and potentially exposed. It represents a huge data leak risk.
The second thing 'IT guys' hate about AI is the results need someone to check and validate them. And a lot of users are unaware of this.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 23, 2025, 07:57:37 AM
I find it interesting that it communicates with you like it's your best friend...
I think it would be better if it was more life like...
Responses like .."Are you that fing stupid?.."
I think the financial bubble it's creating will have a bigger impact initially than what jobs it will steal from humans..that'll be the 2nd gut punch from the 1,2 punch otw..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 23, 2025, 08:07:07 AM
The difference between the housing bubble of '08 and an AI bubble today is significant. Don't imagine they are the same. People who could not afford the loans were given them then regardless. When they defaulted investors but more importantly tax payers were left holding the bag. Today investors are footing the bill for AI development but to a lessor degree than before. Tax payers will not be saddled with the bill should everyone in the world decide AI isn't the panacea once thought. AI development is a bubble more likely to deflate slowly than simply pop. IMO.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 23, 2025, 08:34:01 AM
I find it interesting that it communicates with you like it's your best friend...
I think it would be better if it was more life like...
Responses like .."Are you that fing stupid?.."
Try adding Persona\Instruction clauses to you prompts if that bothers you:
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1. Set System-Level "Anti-Sycophancy" Instructions Most major AI platforms allow you to set Custom Instructions or Claude Projects to establish a permanent behavioral baseline. Request Criticality: Explicitly tell the AI: "Prioritize accuracy over agreeableness. If you think I am wrong or overlooking something, say so directly". Prohibit Social Niceties: Instruction like "Skip all social acknowledgments like 'I understand' or 'That's a great point'" forces the AI into a more objective tone. Enforce Neutrality: Direct it to "Provide accurate information even when it contradicts my stated beliefs". 2. Use Neutral Prompting (No "Hinting") AI models are highly sensitive to "leading" questions. If you ask, "Don't you think [X] is the best approach?", the AI will likely agree. Avoid leading language: Instead of asking for confirmation, ask for a balanced view: "Evaluate the pros and cons of [X] objectively". Omit your opinion: Don't tell the AI what you think until after it has given its first response. 3. Assign Contrarian Personas Forcing the AI to inhabit a specific role that is naturally critical can break its "helpful assistant" filter. Examples: "Act as a skeptical venture capitalist," "a notoriously critical professor," or "a devil's advocate looking for flaws in my logic". Red Teaming: Ask the AI to "Identify the strongest arguments against the position I just stated". 4. Manage History and Customization AI with "memory" can learn your preferences over time, which may unintentionally reinforce sycophancy. Use Temporary Chats: For critical feedback, use "Temporary Chat" (ChatGPT) or start a "New Chat" frequently to prevent the model from tailoring its answers to your perceived ego. Turn off Personalization: Disabling memory or customization features can result in more "fresh," objective interactions. 5. Multi-Step Critical Analysis Instead of asking for a single response, force the model through a critical process. The "Draft-Diagnosis-Refine" Loop: Ask for an initial draft, then immediately ask it to "Identify three weaknesses in the draft you just wrote". Chain-of-Thought Criticism: Instruct the model to "List the potential negative consequences of this idea before suggesting improvements".
You can just add clauses like that as a preamble paragraph to you actual user prompt(your ask).
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Vulcan on December 23, 2025, 01:54:28 PM
I think the financial bubble it's creating will have a bigger impact initially than what jobs it will steal from humans..that'll be the 2nd gut punch from the 1,2 punch otw..
You need to apply the gartner hype lifecycle to it.
The question is are we about to hit the peak of inflated expectations or are we already in the trough?
All the gear powering AI right now is going to be paid for at some stage as well.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2025, 09:14:23 AM
Why are the Hyper-Scalers spending crazy amounts of money building out way beyond their current revenue?
1. Anthropic CEO stated they have on the books demand they cannot supply. With no further innovation, if they just doubled their capacity they will double their revenue. It's not a projection. It's already back-ordered demand. They just need more chips and the facilities to house them and they can print money.
2. There is a finite supply of GPU currently. In the early 90's MS used to hire up every big thinker and thought leader they could. If they didn't have a product for them, they would just stick them in research. They did this so they could have them when needed, and more importantly to deny that intellectual resource toa potential competitor. They'd rather have them off doing research for them rather than coming up with a competing product for an adversary. Even if the Hyper-Scalers lock the GPU they are buying in a vault and don't use them, they are denying a startup competitor from getting access to the core resource needed to compete in AI. Compute. So cornering the market of chip availability is smart anti competitive tactic and the big players with big money can do that.
3. https://youtube.com/shorts/09TJOXmMBTM?si=L0S9PNQ2gAppR0MD All the AI chips come from Taiwan. When China goes for Taiwan in '27 it will take YEARS to replace that capacity in the West. Anyone already holding GPU will be like bars of gold.
4. They know the current AI design just gets smarter with more chips. Even without more advanced algorithms, they can just get smarter with brute force by applying more chips. There may be no limit to chip demand and production may always lag demand. Chips may be cheaper now than they ever will be as AI demand keeps exploding exponentially while supply stays fixed or craters. Buying chips now, might be getting a bargain even if you have to buy them on credit.
Pushing against this is the Chinese. They can't make the chips themselves. They look at Taiwan and lick their chops. I don't think they will wait past 2027.
By their calculus, they either capture those facilities intact and enslave the engineers to work for them and become the Saudi Arabia of AI chips, or they destroy the facilities and prevent the West from reaching ASI before them, because whoever does first rules the world.
The Chinese have been the main leaders in LLM Compression.
The current Frontier model LLMs are MASSIVE and take insane amounts of compute to host and traverse. That's why they need so many chips and so much power and have a problem with excess heat.
However, a significant portion of that data is pure garbage. The estimates vary. The Chinese have been taking that first generation LLM and stealing from it (the 1st gen just stole content from the internet) and further compress it with fancy algo's and lots of cheap Chinese training labor. That would allow them to compete with much less compute that they could get away with buying on the black market. Hence DeepSeek.
Ironically they are doing the AI industry a favor. That is the approach small startups will need to take against giant Hyper-scalers who have limitless funding. Startups will never will a chip war against OpenAI and Google.
We just cant let the Chinese get to AGI or ASI first. Not unless you want to bend a knee and kneel to Xi.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 24, 2025, 09:24:33 AM
Unless something changes fundamentally I do not believe we will allow China to conquer Taiwan militarily with their semiconductor manufacturing capability intact. At least not in the next few years.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2025, 09:29:06 AM
Unless something changes fundamentally I do not believe we will allow China to conquer Taiwan militarily with their semiconductor manufacturing capability intact. At least not in the next few years.
That won't stop them from trying. They'll just level it if they think they can't be successful.
And I'm not sure that in the current climate, that the usual suspects wouldn't be clamoring for us not to get involved in affairs outside our hemisphere. I give it a 60% chance we wouldn't be willing to spill blood to prevent a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. We'll apply some sanctions and complain loudly.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 24, 2025, 09:34:09 AM
I think we'll level it before allowing China to take it. If not the US then someone else will. I think China is more likely to continue in developing their own capability with technology bought or stolen.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on December 24, 2025, 09:40:27 AM
Not going to be able to power all these new ai facilities when this country wont build new power plants. Solar and wind is not going to cover it.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2025, 09:52:28 AM
Not going to be able to power all these new ai facilities when this country wont build new power plants. Solar and wind is not going to cover it.
Neither will coal.
A well designed power grid needs multiple sources for redundancy.
BTW, China plans to run their AI on solar. They have been installing solar at gigantic scale.
They haven't joined Green-Peace. They know when they jump off on Taiwan they are going to get embargoed and they have few other local resources.
Here, Sodium-Cooled Fast Reactors or SFRs are probably going to have to be a key component in our grid to provide the extra juice.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 24, 2025, 10:00:28 AM
Any overt military action by China against Taiwan will little doubt see China completely cut off from trade with South Korea. Memory is essential for AI. Any invasion of South Korea will be met by the full force of the US military.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2025, 10:03:38 AM
Any overt military action by China against Taiwan will little doubt see China completely cut off from trade with South Korea. Memory is essential for AI. Any invasion of South Korea will be met by the full force of the US military.
They may not care about South Korea. Taiwan is much lower fruit to pick.
Worst case, their invasion can make sure nobody gets to AGI\ASI.
They'll see that as the next best goal apart from them getting there first.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on December 24, 2025, 10:04:25 AM
Im all for nuclear power, but the environmentalists will crap their pants at the mere mention of a new plant being built
This is a National Security override.
You put the plants on gov land\bases that you lease to the provider and pipe the juice to the different grids. Texas would probably be a good central location.
I'd rather have SFR's than more coal. More wind, solar, and NatGas are fine, but nukes are the real answer.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 24, 2025, 10:11:37 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 24, 2025, 04:46:56 PM
We get 90% of tech from Chyna already ...why do you think we won't get AI from them too...
It'll be in every gadget that they manufacture..they are already doing it..and when it's presented as the cheapest option the horde will gobble them up..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 25, 2025, 10:31:13 AM
Add this to the AI race and my guess is we are in a pickle by 2030...
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 25, 2025, 10:44:33 AM
Add this to the AI race and my guess is we are in a pickle by 2030...
Eagler
Same with the mammoth solar spends.
They are preparing for decoupling and direct confrontation with the US over their invasion of Taiwan in '27.
They are preparing for embargoes, sanction and seizing of assets in the global money system.
You know what else? Look into how much gold they've been buying up. They've increased their purchase DRAMATICALLY over the last year.
They are hardening their economic system to resist US financial sanctions when they invade Taiwan in 2027.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on December 25, 2025, 11:31:00 AM
All they have to be is look more stable than the abused over printed dollar and convince the rest of the world to stop being our unlimited credit card..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on December 25, 2025, 11:46:48 AM
All we have to do to pay off those trillions in debt (which will kill us eventually) is stop being the world's policemen and stop spending our tax dollars on internal and external welfare.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 25, 2025, 11:50:11 AM
All they have to be is look more stable than the abused over printed dollar and convince the rest of the world to stop being our unlimited credit card..
Eagler
I doubt that would ever happen.
Regardless of our problems, everywhere in the would is worse and going to get worse as time goes by.
I think de-globalization will bring about something similar to the great Bronze Age Systems Collapse. When a complex system of trade underpins a civilization and is then ripped away faster than the system can adjust.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on December 29, 2025, 09:51:05 AM
Super-exponential growth. Ponder that.
I think 2026-28 we will start seeing a lot more home robots as well.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on January 11, 2026, 08:16:57 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: hazmatt on January 11, 2026, 09:02:21 AM
I'm soo sick of the guardrails on most of the current available AIs getting "triggered" by certain words and avoiding answering questions in the name of "safety" that I'm thinking about deploying my own local model.
Has anybody had any experience deploying something like: LLaMA‑3.1 70B? It looks like this one is pretty good and that I should be able to run it on my hardware locally.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on January 11, 2026, 09:09:46 AM
What kinds of questions was it being asked?
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on January 11, 2026, 10:03:50 AM
Heard it has killed a confused teen already...
I think some are putting too much weight on its responses...it's not fool proof by any means..and now looks like it can be deadly in the wrong hands..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: hazmatt on January 11, 2026, 12:00:50 PM
I don't remember the specific questions, but one time it tripped out and started saying some crap about self harm when I wasn't talking about harming myself or anybody else. Another was a generic medical question that it acted like it was the guardian of the secret. A third was about some random person that I was reading about on the internet that it gave me a very bias opinion saying that they were controversial or some toejam when I was just asking about their bio, as in where were they from, what did they do for work etc. I just don't like how it seems to have an agenda and seems to get "triggered" by something that it makes assumptions about what you are saying. I've tried google ai, grok, copilot and some others and each seem to be equally full of excrement in their responses most of the time.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: hazmatt on January 11, 2026, 12:02:33 PM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on January 22, 2026, 10:10:21 AM
Adapt or die.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on January 22, 2026, 11:19:11 AM
I for one welcome our AI overlords.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on January 29, 2026, 10:35:59 AM
When I was a younger I was all into photography. Worked for school paper. All that knowledge of mixing chemicals developing film, exposing paper. I can still remember the chemical smell. ;) Loading film canisters in total darkness (not even red light). All those skills and knowledge are unnecessary now.
Stuff changes.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on January 31, 2026, 11:34:34 AM
I asked Gemini to make me a Minesweeper game with 3 selectable sizes. It can't make an executable but can do it in html or python. Probably other formats too if asked. I used html and it created it almost instantly. Works perfectly.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on February 01, 2026, 07:47:14 AM
Got an email from chatgbt offering a free month...
"Smarter models" is one of the features I would then have...
So is the free AI the dumb and dumber version of it...
Will the $$$ determine how accurate and fast the AI you use is....
Seems like a new way to state what is what and have ppl swallow it hook line and sinker..
It seems confused on basic issues such as gender and men having babies...not to mention incorrect speaker types in my tacoma..but it's OK for it to control financial decisions, medical info and military weapons ..
Then again I have not paid for more accurate answers as I use the free version..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 01, 2026, 08:59:37 AM
Will the $$$ determine how accurate and fast the AI you use is....
You've never paid different prices for different broadband speeds?
For 95% of the human race the free version is all you'll ever need. I wouldn't be surprised to see the free version get ads. Why shouldn't they? Do you not think people should get paid for their work?
The paid versions are for business. If you aren't doing professional or research grade work or processing millions of prompts a day in autogenic agent mode, you won't care.
For $10\mo you get Github Copilot that can use any of the Frontier Models. I've been coding with that for 6 months and I'd say when you learn how to use it right, it is easily the equivalent of hiring a $80k off-shore engineer. For $10\mo.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 01, 2026, 09:40:50 AM
I hate guessing when it gets beyond the initial area reveal.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 04, 2026, 08:36:58 AM
I don't want to give away a plot(s) so forget about the books I just mentioned just now. Don't highlight the "hidden" text below scroll down if you don't want a bit of a spoiler.
Imagine that the universe(s) is a simulation as some believe possible and we create an AI that expands its own intelligence beyond the point it can manipulate that simulation in ways we can't imagine.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 07, 2026, 10:58:02 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 09, 2026, 05:05:50 PM
Adapt or die.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 10, 2026, 06:41:46 PM
MEH, I have skills that AI simply cannot match, and will not in this lifetime. They will be in demand, likely long after I am dead and gone.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 10, 2026, 07:05:02 PM
Give an AI a fully articulated physical presence comparable to what a human has and soon it will be able to do anything a human can do and more.
The Luddites will be marching.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Meatwad on February 10, 2026, 07:22:14 PM
Lets see an Ai bot have a meltdown and throw a wrench across the shop bay
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 10, 2026, 09:36:18 PM
You guys know cars are mostly built by robots right. Right?
Tell that to the thousands who work on the other side of the fence from me. Daily. And down the road. And two states over. It's not nearly so robotic as the robot people want you to believe. And there ain't many robots in shops repairing anything, nor in facilities rebuilding parts.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on February 11, 2026, 06:40:04 PM
Tell that to the thousands who work on the other side of the fence from me. Daily. And down the road. And two states over. It's not nearly so robotic as the robot people want you to believe. And there ain't many robots in shops repairing anything, nor in facilities rebuilding parts.
Give it time.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 10:42:29 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 11:04:43 AM
Don't imagine I'm an advocate for sentient AI. I think it's potentially very dangerous. I'm not burying my head in the sand though believing it's not going to happen if I ignore it.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 11:08:07 AM
If I could throw a switch and say no more hardware allocated to AI development anywhere I'd throw that switch and hope to see PC components fall in price as abundance soars.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 12, 2026, 11:08:49 AM
Don't imagine I'm an advocate for sentient AI. I think it's potentially very dangerous. I'm not burying my head in the sand though believing it's not going to happen if I ignore it.
Does it matter if you are an advocate?
It's coming. Period. Full stop. Whether it speaks with an American, Russian, or Chinese accent is yet to be determined.
Imagine a world if the Soviets had gotten the bomb before us.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 11:11:29 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 11:44:25 AM
No one is paying any attention to Asimov and his three laws of robotics. Fiction of course but without unbreakable restraints an AI might decide humans need redirection and needs to get our attention. If smart enough it could reach out and instantaneously cut everyone off from all bank accounts and financial records. For starters. And it's foolish to think we can build in restraints for something that may greatly surpass human intelligence.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 12, 2026, 11:56:49 AM
No one is paying any attention to Asimov and his three laws of robotics. Fiction of course but without unbreakable restraints an AI might decide humans need redirection and needs to get our attention. If smart enough it could reach out and instantaneously cut everyone off from all bank accounts and financial records. For starters. And it's foolish to think we can build in restraints for something that may greatly surpass human intelligence.
But the Asimov Rules that only apply if you code it to do that. I have no such illusions the Russians or Chinese will abide by any constraints.
You're right. Only our own ASI\AGI will protect us against malicious ASI\AGI. Our human efforts would be pointless.
We would be helpless slaves at the feet of a Chinese ASI.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 12:33:47 PM
I understand we have a better chance of controlling our own AI than we do that of foreign enemies. That's not to say we will be able to control our own though. Of course we cannot allow them to have an advantage in this. That will almost surely turn out bad for us.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 12:36:54 PM
Nvidia is the leader by far in producing advanced AI hardware. Computer gamers are who made Nvidia successful enough to pursue this. So really computer gamers are responsible for the end of the world, should it come that.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 12, 2026, 12:49:43 PM
I understand we have a better chance of controlling our own AI than we do that of foreign enemies. That's not to say we will be able to control our own though. Of course we cannot allow them to have an advantage in this. That will almost surely turn out bad for us.
You ever done any sky diving?
If your main chute gets tangled and is hopeless, you have to make the call to take the risk of cutting it loose and taking your chances with he reserve chute.
That might have it's own problems and failures but if the main chute is a guaranteed pancake you take the risk. There are no guarantees.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 12, 2026, 12:51:27 PM
Never did any sky diving. Told my wife several years ago that's what I wanted for my birthday. She gave me a guitar instead.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Oldman731 on February 12, 2026, 03:04:32 PM
That ain't good but it does seem inevitable given all the factors...
Unless people want to bend that knee and kneel before a Chinese Emperor, they better get their minds right.
I think achieving ASI first is FAR more existential for our country than getting the bomb first. Russians still would have needed a delivery system.
ASI will be instantly everywhere and all defenses will be swept away with a thought.
You want us to have that first, or Xi?
AI companies ought to be declared National Security Assets. There should be vast government grants and contract. At least as many tax gifts as we give the petroleum industry and the defense aerospace companies. Data Centers should be granted special National Security waivers for permits it should be against the law to block them.
This one will be for all the marbles.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: icepac on February 19, 2026, 10:23:17 AM
There is one problem.
China has programmed their AI with too many lies.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 19, 2026, 11:46:18 AM
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on February 19, 2026, 02:10:50 PM
Maybe they'll lend/lease a few 1000 to Iran for field testing in the coming war..
I know drones will be swarming...each with a made in China sticker on it..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: AKIron on February 19, 2026, 02:35:43 PM
They're saving those for Taiwan.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: icepac on February 20, 2026, 06:55:21 AM
My point is that AI will not be very tolerant of incorrect information and will work to find and replace the lies with truth............faster than any human can.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: Eagler on February 20, 2026, 07:45:55 AM
Eagler
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: CptTrips on February 20, 2026, 08:54:54 AM
That's why I said earlier that AI data centers need to be placed on leased government land and protected by military personnel as a national security asset.
It's time we grow up as a civilization and start embracing nukes. We have so much more advanced designs now. It's not 1979. Tech has advanced.
Bill may be radioactive right now, but the tech is solid. This guy is an idiot. There is nothing wrong with a steam turbine. It is perfectly clean an a well understood technology. No reason to no use it.
The issue is always how do you produce the energy.
Title: Re: AI in a box
Post by: icepac on February 20, 2026, 09:35:49 AM