Author Topic: Hotas is porked since patch 5  (Read 1822 times)

Offline DAVENRINO

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1084
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2004, 03:42:41 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by dracon
Hmm.........

Well I have the full HOTAS and Pedals.  I use the CM to "straighten out the JS assignments.  For some odd reason, only known to MS operating systems, My Throttle ends up as Controller #1, FighterStick is Controller #2 and Pedals are Controller #3.  If I left it this way I lost the ability to have the View Hat on the Fighter Stick.  Maybe I didn't mess with it enough!  The CM orders them correctly and I can take advantage of all hats and buttons.

I have no control issues.  Smooth as silk and never lose inputs or calibration?

Regards,


I don't use CM for AH and just set up controls in AH.  I get the same order you mention above but it is not a problem for me.  I assign each axis/button and they stay that way and my stick view hat works fine.  Actually , I use the throttle hat for views and use the stick hat for autopilot/combat trim.  I do use CM for LOMAC where I need 3 modes and a shift button for all the complex inputs.
DAVE aka DJ229-AIR MAFIA
CH USB HOTAS/ONKYO 705 7.2 SURROUND SOUND/ 60" SONY A3000 SXRD  TV

Offline 6GunUSMC

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 424
      • http://www.fasteasynet.com
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2004, 04:40:17 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by wrag
Hmmm I'm using a CHPro setup ...

stick and pedals are analog and the throttle is USB.  I can't use the crtlmanager with this setup.  I do use speedkeys.

No problems here......

When I do, or have, run into problems with stick setup I delete the old CFG and redo from start.  Seems to take care of everything.

W98se  (XP and it's virus/trojan/worm problems is not something I want right now)  Plus the output for new stick/pedals and XP etc. etc. is not something I wanna put out right now as my monitor is acting up.

I also confess I was very disappointed at what I preceived as MicroSoft's arrogance in the decision to delete the analog controls and controllers.  If someone would care to give me a good reason for this action I would thank them.  Kinda gettin fed up with this planned out money makin thing.  Vid cards .... PCI was better then ....  AGP was better then ...  Now it's super PCI ....  then what super AGP?

Analog was better then digital was the claim a few years ago then the claim is DIGITAL!!!!!  geeeezzzz  all this is gettin old :(

I grant some changes are very good (USB has some excellent things about it) but some seem to be more for the money they make then anything else.

There got my annual M$ rant out and should be OK for awhile .

May go to Linux,  keep thinkin about it, yep may go to Linux...........

Asus MB A7V8X-X
AMD 2500+ Barton
ATI9800 Pro 128
SBPCI512 soundcard ( onboard MB sound causes problems and need the card for analog port. )

bios version 1009 (there is a 1010 but everything works right now)
latest via 4 in 1
latest Cat driver
Sound driver is dated 1999 and nothing newer at the SB site.

Hope this helps :)


Hi Wrag, (I seem to remember you fron AW many moons ago)

I am glad you arent having any problems, but I hope I can help you clear up a few things (misconceptions) that I think you may have.  I use Win98SE on 2 backup machines (even then as a double or triple boot with other OSs) it is in no way in the same league as WinXP in terms of stability!  I am no flag-waver for MS but I am a network administrator, and at the beginning of last year when we switched from Win98 to XP systems the number of software-related problems has almost vanished. GONE are the BSODs (blue screen of death)  You mention some of the exploits that have been written to attack  XP... thats pretty fair, but the OS is a target by virtue of the number of computers that run on that OS.  ANY OS can be hacked or exploited, but hackers prefrer to spend their time where the numbers are.  A 'more bang for the buck' thing i suppose.  If you're the big guy on the block, face it, you have a huge target painted on your backside.  Security updates are constantly being released and service packs as well.  I am using a beta version of the upcoming Service Pack 2 release, its primary focus is security and there are some nice features that are aimed primarily at novice users.  No operating system is immune to someone who is determined to cause trouble... Linux, Unix, Windows, MAC.  The one thing that windows does have on its side is that the user base is so broad for home and business use that when an exploit is discovered the demand is high to fix it quickly.  Unfortunately some people do not check for critical updates often enough (check at least once a month)

The new technology is driven primarily by market demand, it seems that we as consumers are on a never-ending "quest for speed"  This is not a bad thing, since 81 computers have doubled in power consistently every year.  You mentioned the new PCI Express technology, at present it is capable of handling 3.7 times the data of the current PCI bus technology.  We all want faster performing video cards and sound cards and right now with the great speed of modern processors the current decade-old PCI bus is now the bottleneck for many systems.

I use analog gameport controllers when i fly.  (You are never supposed to mix USB and gameport devices - something isnt gonna work!)  The only problem I had was programming them beforehand, but this was no biggie, I just used an old machine that has 98 installed and ran speed-keys to program the throttle and stick, and i was done.  This doesnt work inside XP because a security exploit that is wide open in 98 was closed in Win2000 and subsequent releases.  Yes someone figured out how to emulate keyboard input remotely using the method that we use to program the game controllers that use keyboard pass-throughs.  This honestly was not something that MS developed just to mess with us.

I am telling you from personal and professional experience that WinXP has saved me more headaches than you can imagine.  Without sounding like a MS drum-beater I will say that its stability is its biggest asset I like the idea of having a computer that doesnt need to be rebooted every now and then so it will resync with my network, or has to be rebooted after every change that you make.  WinXP also has system restore... nice feature if you install software that causes problems.  Also Win98 is limited to 512MB RAM, on the other side, I wouldnt use WinXP without 256 as a minimum!  WinXP also has native support for 2 Processors and up to (I believe) 8GB RAM.  That's a lot of room to grow.  Users can bog down any computer on any OS by not being selective about software they install and how they maintain their machine.  Ask the other XP users who are past the initial adjustment period.  (I have been using WinXP since its early Beta days in early 2001)  The vast majority will tell you about its stability, ease of use, ease of setup and many other features.

I hope you'll at least look into this seriously, as I believe that with the speed of your system on a true 32bit OS, you will certainly be able to benefit from the upgrade.  Hell, for that matter, ask Skuzzy, I would think that he would tell you the same thing. If you have any specific questions that I might be able to help you with, just let me know.  GOOD LUCK!



6Gun

Offline Moochie

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 55
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2004, 04:41:05 AM »
Great post 6gun.  Maybe you can help me.  I seem to have the same setup as you, dual boot and gameport analog controllers (Force FX, ProThrottle, ProPedals).

Obviously force feedback and speedkeys won't work in XP, but I can deal with that.

The problem is that not all keys work (or some duplicate) and my hat gives only two views (even in Control Manager calibrate).

I have tried mapping the hat in AH but no go because only two views.

Should I de-install and reinstall the controller drivers? (changl08 or something)

Thanks for any advice.

Mooch

Offline wrag

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3499
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2004, 07:10:39 AM »
Thank You 6Gun

I'll give it a look but it will have to be later after I pick up all usb controls (CH ain't cheap) and probably a new monitor :)

This one keeps flickering with white streaks bleeding off light colors then clearing up then back.   kinda looks like this (((((((((((((((((((((( but white and very small.


 Seems to stop after it gets good and warmed up.  Started doing it with a ATI9000 pro and still does it with a ATI9800 pro.  Think it's gettin old.  Only had it maybe a year and a half or so. Had a viewsonic that did something similar but with brownish red streaks instead then went real bad and stayed that way. :(

Oh btw never flew in AW......

used to fly in WB but after flyin in AH, seeing what it has, and being treated very well by HTC staff, dropped WB.
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

Offline 6GunUSMC

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 424
      • http://www.fasteasynet.com
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2004, 11:13:40 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Moochie
Great post 6gun.  Maybe you can help me.  I seem to have the same setup as you, dual boot and gameport analog controllers (Force FX, ProThrottle, ProPedals).

Obviously force feedback and speedkeys won't work in XP, but I can deal with that.

The problem is that not all keys work (or some duplicate) and my hat gives only two views (even in Control Manager calibrate).

I have tried mapping the hat in AH but no go because only two views.

Should I de-install and reinstall the controller drivers? (changl08 or something)

Thanks for any advice.

Mooch


Hiya!

Well, I am not familiar with ForceFX setup, but the stick i use does not operate like a standard stick, you have to specify the hat views by making macros in speedkeys... IE: I had to make my Hat UP a "KP_5" macro, Therefore I do not have to map in AH at all for any of my functions.  Does your stick work like this?  shoot me some more info, and I'll see what I can do.  I doubt seriously it is a driver problem as long as you have the correct driver installed for your stick.

Offline 6GunUSMC

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 424
      • http://www.fasteasynet.com
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2004, 11:34:38 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by wrag
Thank You 6Gun

I'll give it a look but it will have to be later after I pick up all usb controls (CH ain't cheap) and probably a new monitor :)

This one keeps flickering with white streaks bleeding off light colors then clearing up then back.   kinda looks like this (((((((((((((((((((((( but white and very small.


 Seems to stop after it gets good and warmed up.  Started doing it with a ATI9000 pro and still does it with a ATI9800 pro.  Think it's gettin old.  Only had it maybe a year and a half or so. Had a viewsonic that did something similar but with brownish red streaks instead then went real bad and stayed that way. :(

Oh btw never flew in AW......

used to fly in WB but after flyin in AH, seeing what it has, and being treated very well by HTC staff, dropped WB.


Hi again,

Well you are right, CH Products "aint cheap"... I have had good luck buying off Ebay but other than that this is the cheapest way: CH Products @ NewEgg.com Also A 17" CTX Monitor $92 and A 19" CTX Monitor $122.

OK Then I must remember you from Warbirds, I started flying RedBaron on Imagination Network (INN) in '93 then on to AW, then WB, now AH, IL2, and a little WW2OL... so sometimes i get games/players confused.

Offline wrag

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3499
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2004, 04:20:00 PM »
CC

Got the monitor plugged into a different UPS now and the streaks seems to occur abit less and with less enthusiasim lol.

Also stops streaking if I turn it off then back on?????
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

Offline Moochie

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 55
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2004, 04:05:09 PM »
Check that you haven't got anything electrical near the screen.  My amplifier caused no end of trouble on the screen until I realised and moved it away a foot.

Offline wrag

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3499
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2004, 03:00:46 AM »
Thought it might be my speakers or maybe the cable that connects the monitor to the video card or the power supply or.........

I've tried almost everything.  Even with the speakers turned of and moved away it still acts up :(

BTW Everything is connected to UPS's........
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

Offline 6GunUSMC

  • Parolee
  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 424
      • http://www.fasteasynet.com
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2004, 03:12:43 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by wrag
Thought it might be my speakers or maybe the cable that connects the monitor to the video card or the power supply or.........

I've tried almost everything.  Even with the speakers turned of and moved away it still acts up :(

BTW Everything is connected to UPS's........


Probably the monitor.... if it does this with a new monitor (very doubtful), you can always return it, then then regroup.

Offline wrag

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3499
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2004, 07:32:19 PM »
LOL

Weeellllll guess I did a bad thing?????

Moved everything around AGAIN, speakers etc... and looked pretty good for a little while  even reduced from 100 htz to like 72 htz.

Then started doin it again.  Got a little frustrated and .... welllllll kinda gave it a smack right on top of the monitor......

??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

works great now????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks clearer now then it has in a long time???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think I better start gettin my finances in order for a new monitor soon ......
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

Offline DAVENRINO

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1084
Hotas is porked since patch 5
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2004, 01:08:51 PM »
I think I remember an old post where Skuzzy said that you r fix (whack) indicates one of the color guns failing.

DJ229 - AIR MAFIA
DAVE aka DJ229-AIR MAFIA
CH USB HOTAS/ONKYO 705 7.2 SURROUND SOUND/ 60" SONY A3000 SXRD  TV