The French Were Right

[maslo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

Again are you serious?

yes im there is truce between N and S korea not a peace.

or its not true ?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Kieran
Care to comment? Wanna comment on the billions of dollars France loses if there is no SH to pay back the debt owed? There is nothing unbiased about the French position on Iraq, and there is nothing noble, either. America is looking out for its own interests, no question, but you have no moral high ground in France. "Pardon my French", but Chirac is a two-faced liar where Iraq is concerned.

Speaking of discredited stories, your "looting" story was long ago disproven. If you're going to play that game, you're going to lose badly.

Go to univehrcity, you filty unwashed amehrican piiiig!    

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by maslo
yes im there is truce between N and S korea not a peace.

or its not true ?

Wow!

You do realize that the Communist invading NK troops would not have left SK if the USA/UN did not go fight them?  

Is this clear?

[Cerceuilvolant]

Well, your latent francophobia is showing up via the historical revisionism you're constantly making. If I used the same rhetoric, I'd be allowed to say:

"the US fails everywhere: they got their bellybutton kicked in Korea by korean yokels armed with forks, by viets with forks, by phillipines with forks, by somalians with forks, and finally in Iraq. They're also the country of the genocide, with the Indians, the Phillipines, and concentration camps with the japanese in WW2, and racist & backward laws in the former confederate states in the US..." I sincerly don't think anything like that, but I smell a very funny "superior american" odor. Ya know, the British under queen Victoria thought that the English were superior (of course, especially to these pesky eternal ennemies that was France at the time) , and now look at wich level they felt. They got bypassed economically by the US & Germany & France.

As for the reference to the university, I wasn't referring to the lessons, but the the intellectual life at the university. That's where you can discuss/ argue with people of different opinions, and you have to assume what you're saying, because if you insult (different from not agreeing with someone else' opinion FYI) them freely like what's going on there, you'll end up with a broken nose.

Hortlund, that's my point. Why do you talk of a surrender especially when it's about France, while UK is applying this policy RIGHT NOW, letting terrorists live and act freely on its soil, and that some terrorists guilty of terrorist acts in France have been safe for a decade in UK?

edit: typo

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant

UK is applying this policy RIGHT NOW, letting terrorists live and act freely on its soil

Sorry, gonna call BS on this one.

Post your sources.

[GRUNHERZ]

I do discuss things at university, with people of different opinons, it just pisses you off that I disagree with your asinine french arrogance and pretesnses of glory...

[maslo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
South Korea
1951-1953
Doesnt matter that there is only a truce, it was a war that kept communism out of South Korea. Without the war, South Korea would have met the same gruesly fate as South Vietnam.
Communists attacking and ended up being beaten back.


Finland
1939-1944
Communist Soviet union attacked Finland in 1939. Finland managed to beat off the attacker, and eventually managed to stay independent by giving up some land.

Chile
1973
Was not a "real" war, so maybe I should not include that one... Anyway, Allende, communist president was removed in a coup.

Nicaragua
1982-1988 (or something like that)
Was not a "real" war either, but rather a civil war, perhaps it should not be included either on second thought.
Anyway, the communist Sandinistas was removed after a rather long civil war against the Contras. Hmm, now that I think about it, I think they were defeated in an election after all those years of civil war. I withdraw Nicaragua from my list, since technically the communists lost power in an election.

Afghanistan
1979-1989
Communist Soviet union invades Afghanistan in 1979 and is defeated.

ad Korea... no comunism wasnt defeated, you only pushed it back,  where it was before, you prevent expansion, so you didnt defeat anything

Finland .... europe were separated by hitler and stalin and both went for their 'new' lands... finland managed to defent them self, they never defeated any communist country

ad Chile, Nicarague... war and civil war is a bit diferent isnt it ?

Afghanistan... yes same song again.. Communist didnt expand, they didnt lose anything...



So where exacly were communist regime attacked, defeated and transformed by military power ?

[Yeager]

one of saddams aids told reporters after the US success in ousting saddame from power that he (saddam) was certain that France and Russia would be able to call bluff on the US and squash politically any attempts at the UN to invade.  Apparently he (saddam) had assurances from both his allies that they could contain US unlawful aggression

Saddam made three mistakes on this one:
1) He thought the US was bluffing
2) He trusted his ally, France
3) He trusted his ally, Russia

France made the mistake of coming to neither of her allies, the US
or Saddams side.  Typical French.......backstabbers and totally undependable in any situation that requries backbone and tenacity.

For a whole new generation of Amercians (cept some ignorant texans) France is no ally.

Dont take what I say here seriously, I dont  

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by maslo
no comunism wasnt defeated, you only pushed it back,  where it was before, you prevent expansion, so you didnt defeat anything

europe were separated by hitler and stalin and both went for their 'new' lands... finland managed to defent them self, they never defeated any communist country

Oh please. I am so NOT getting into some weird semantics discussion here... ESPECIALLY not with someone who can barely express himself in English no less!

The question was "where did war stop communism" the answer is Finland, Afghanistan and South Korea. Without war, those nations would suffer under communism. Thanks to the war, they remained free. That means the war stopped communism in those countries.

So where exacly were communist regime attacked, defeated and transformed by military power ?

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That was not your original question, now was it?

[Cerceuilvolant]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There we have it! French military failiures explained at last!  THEY WERE GREAT GLORIOUSC VICTORIES BECAUSE THEY LOST A GREAT DEAL OF MEN IN A SHORT TIME UNLIKE THE COWARDLY AMERICANS WHO HAD FEWER CASUALTIES!

Thought that the surrender thing was meaning that the French surrendered without firing a single cartridge? heh...

Add Poland as well, they fought aar aginst the red communists in russia who made it as far west as warsaw.

Heh, strangely, in this affair, the "communist" frogs were the first to assist Poland in this war, supplying them with weapons and military advisors. In fact, this affair had not much to do with communism, Poland was more willing to extend its territory due to ethnical & historical reasons than anything else.

Hortlund, go read any newspaper/book dealing about this subject. UK has just begun to increase its control over these groups.

I do discuss things at university, with people of different opinons, it just pisses you off that I disagree with your asinine french arrogance and pretesnses of glory...

And do you treat them the same way in the real life? As for arrogance & glory, I return you the comment [/kindergarten]

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
"the US fails everywhere: they got their bellybutton kicked in Korea by korean yokels armed with forks, by viets with forks,

If I am not mistaken, Vietnamese and Koreans prefer chopsticks, not forks.

You forgot to mention France in your diatribe.  Oh now I remember, it was the French who got their bellybutton kicked in France by the Germans. The Allies, of which the USA was a very large part, kicked bellybutton to bail you out.  Thats why you have a couple of beaches named Utah and Omaha.

Go to the cemetaries in Normandy and get a clue.

[Cerceuilvolant]

Originally posted by Yeager
one of saddams aids told reporters after the US success in ousting saddame from power that he (saddam) was certain that France and Russia would be able to call bluff on the US and squash politically any attempts at the UN to invade.  Apparently he (saddam) had assurances from both his allies that they could contain US unlawful aggression

Saddam made three mistakes on this one:
1) He thought the US was bluffing
2) He trusted his ally, France
3) He trusted his ally, Russia

France made the mistake of coming to neither of her allies, the US
or Saddams side.  Typical French.......backstabbers and totally undependable in any situation that requries backbone and tenacity.

For a whole new generation of Amercians (cept some ignorant texans) France is no ally.

Dont take what I say here seriously, I dont  

And you wonder with such BS the majority of the europeans think that the USA are the 2nd greatest threat to the world peace...

[Cerceuilvolant]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
If I am not mistaken, Vietnamese and Koreans prefer chopsticks, not forks.

You forgot to mention France in your diatribe.  Oh now I remember, it was the French who got their bellybutton kicked in France by the Germans. The Allies, of which the USA was a very large part, kicked bellybutton to bail you out.  Thats why you have a couple of beaches named Utah and Omaha.

Go to the cemetaries in Normandy and get a clue.

Did you read the post?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Hortlund, go read any newspaper/book dealing about this subject. UK has just begun to increase its control over these groups.

You are SO full of cheese.

Instead of sitting here and just making stuff up, why dont you go back to my question there... Do you remember that one?

Explain the morality in that behavior, and how it is not surrendering to terrorism to adopt the stance "do whatever you want to others, you can even hide in our nation, just dont hurt us please"

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
Did you read the post?

Sorry, missed the first line in my scanning technique.