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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2003, 01:15:38 PM »
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Name one terrorist act against a European country committed by Arabs that was a sheer act of hate like 9/11 and not a hijacking to extort money or the freedom of imprisoned comrades.


For starters, more than one here:

http://www.hri.org/docs/USSD-Terror/95/europe.html

"Islamic extremists upset with French Government policy toward the conflict in Algeria are suspected of being responsible for terrorist bombings in France during 1995 that left eight dead and 160 wounded. The bombers targeted subways, markets, and other public places to achieve a maximum effect. Islamic extremists also probably conducted a car bombing in front of police headquarters in Rijeka, Croatia, which killed the driver of the car."
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2003, 01:37:14 PM »
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Name one terrorist act against a European country committed by Arabs that was a sheer act of hate like 9/11 and not a hijacking to extort money or the freedom of imprisoned comrades.



Prove that the attack on the WTC was PURE HATE.


you cant and you know you cant.
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2003, 01:39:36 PM »
Speaking of hijackers, nearly all of you are hijackers!  This thread isn't about 9/11; it's not about why the US is a marked country.  It's about inefficient use of monies.   It's not about right/wrong - it's about foolish wars.

But, since I have been hijacked ... ;)

Compare the US today to Britain around the turn of century (1900.)  US wealth, national accomplishments and foolish worldwide meddling pales next to Great Britain.  British wealth (as a nation) exceeded the wealth of any three other countries.  

The Brits led the world in *ALL* areas of endeavor (except fine art).  And, they meddled on a scale never before (or after) seen.  India, South Africa and Egypt all come to mind.  Great Britain was was magnificent.  

As a general rule, Parliament tried to do the right thing.  And can you believe it, the world hated the Brits.

I think it's called "The Big Dog Effect."  Lead the world in a significant number of areas and it warps reality, both for the inhabitants of "Big Dog" and for the folks who share the world with "Big Dog."

For all of the outraged citizens of the world, I can only say "wait, our turn will come too.  Our national vision will lose focus; we'll fritter away our wealth and citizens; we'll not be 'Big Dog' forever."

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« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2003, 01:50:09 PM »
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What was the motivation for the bombing of the WTC? What was the motivation for 9/11? What was the motivation for the attack on USS Cole? What was the motivation for the attacks on US embassies? Did they ask any ransom? Did they have any demands?


I will answer this question with what is purely my own opinion.

1.  Past (and present) nefarious foreign policy relating to the middle east.

2.  U.S. support of Israel.

3.  Because it is the most news worthy target.  

If you are going to kidnap someone for political purposes, would you ...

A.) Kidnap a homeless person from the ghetto, or...

B.) A wealthy CEO from Beverly Hills?

Which would get you the most attention?

The world would just not be as impressed if the subject of these attacks was a country less in the limelight.
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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2003, 02:01:55 PM »
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Grun, you are a hypocrit.  You are one of the first to post in back slapping conservative threads.


I said two or three times in this thread thread that I was as guilty of it as anybody and that it was a criticism of my behavior as much as anybody eleses. So you dont have any point with you accusiation...
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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2003, 02:02:08 PM »
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They hate us because they envy us, our freedom and our wealth.


This obviously explains all those terrorist attacks directed at the U.S. emanating from sub-Saharan Africa, the slums of the Indian subcontinent and the rural areas of mainland China (to name but a few).  It also explains all those attacks against what are, in all fairness, much softer targets that the U.S. such as every other Western style, industrialized liberal democracy.

I can see it know...every terrorist in the world would stop all his hate if simply he had enough money to buy a Big Mac and listen to his brand new Brittney CD.
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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2003, 02:04:28 PM »
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Please stop quoting Grunherz.


For somebody who proports to have me on his ignore list you seem to follow me around jabbing cheap insults a lot...  Thats wierd...
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« Reply #67 on: December 30, 2003, 02:10:22 PM »
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That would be African terrorists, something France has had trouble with since the time of French colonialism. Their reasons were clearly defined: " Islamic extremists upset with French Government policy toward the conflict in Algeria". What was the reason for 9/11? Perhaps you think the terrorists that attacked the French envied the French for their wealth and freedom?


While I have been responding to your posts as if I was arguing your later point I wasn't. You want to see my explanation for their hate go back to the previous page.
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« Reply #68 on: December 30, 2003, 02:12:51 PM »
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Speaking of hijackers, nearly all of you are hijackers!

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Threads often gain a life of their own. :)

Who asked you anyhow?  :p
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« Reply #69 on: December 30, 2003, 02:28:11 PM »
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You are forgetting the dirt poor people on the street.  The last I heard, Bin laden didn't fly any planes into the WTC.

You need to talk to arabs on the street, of course how could you,
you live in Norway........sillie me.


and when exactly did you talk to arabs ?

and where ??
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« Reply #70 on: December 30, 2003, 02:34:13 PM »
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What was the reason for 9/11?


official reason is, that few nasty guys from ME took a bit more hashis and then they prepared pretty cool trip...



in fact that americans do not sell any weapons to ME area
in fact that US do not support war conflicts in ME area
in fact that us respect diferent way of living in ME
in fact that US do not scary any countries by military power, whitch they have in ME
( so there arent any resons to grab attention by sutch tragic way.. since we consider things above to be normal )

come on .. poor america is a vicim .... and if you dont belive, turn on TV and keep listen Mr. Bush... he gonna explain  you, how evil terrorist killing all good people all around word after joint of high quality afghani opium :D
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« Reply #71 on: December 30, 2003, 02:41:15 PM »
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I can see it now...every terrorist in the world would stop all his hate if simply he had enough money to buy a Big Mac and listen to his brand new Brittney CD.



lmao... it couldnt be put any better...  

I dont feel we are hated b/c of our freedoms and money... They hate us b/c we are in their faces everywhere they turn.... especially isreal...

I believe the only way for some to understand this war will not work is for our president to get on national television and attempt to explain the propogation of violence....  how violence begates violence... how its an un-ending visious cycle... But, since that is all but impossible.... I fear the past will be repeated... The wheels are already in motion......
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« Reply #72 on: December 30, 2003, 02:43:15 PM »
Lets say the USA decides to turn a new leaf and rejects "violence" as you say Kappa.

How do we respond to 911 in a non-violent way?
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« Reply #73 on: December 30, 2003, 02:50:17 PM »
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Lets say the USA decides to turn a new leaf and rejects "violence" as you say Kappa.

How do we respond to 911 in a non-violent way?


did i spell it wrong??

How about pull out of our global interest... Bring ALL our troops home...  Keep our $87 BILLION for our own national defence...  

I dunno the answers Grun... I just know we have been 'influencing' ME affairs for decades.. It seems to get us no-where... Even the countries we thought were friendly, are not... We have been lied to by our goverment many times over of ME affairs... It brings us nothing but blood... Why attempt to continue? They cant want us there.....
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« Reply #74 on: December 30, 2003, 02:53:18 PM »
O ya... brings us nothing but blood, higher debt, and the errosion of american liberties
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