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Offline Toad

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« Reply #135 on: February 03, 2004, 10:33:43 AM »
"Practice accounts?"


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« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2004, 10:41:45 AM »
One other thing I think deserves mentioning. Flying "realistically" does not necessarily mean you fly for rank or even care about rank at all for that matter. In fact, flying realistically actually makes it harder to rank higher. I performed an experiment last camp with my Zazen account and my wife's account. With my Zazen account I flew as I usually do with that one, to survive. With my wife's account I flew in the classic, "furball until you drop" mode, rarely landing at all in nothing but TnB planes, even experimenting with planes I have rarely or never flown.  Guess what....

Wife's account in "Furball until You Drop" mode.... Fighter Rank 89

Zazen's account in "Fly to Survive" mode....Fighter Rank 131

*Not only that, but it took only 16 hours flown on my wife's account to achieve a higher rank than with the Zazen account in 28 hours flown.

So, this proves  a few things, first of all, the sub-ranks that go into the aggregate Fighter rank are far more competitive for the "Fly to Survive" types, specifically the K/D ratio sub-rank. Secondly, my wife's account had almost the exact same hit % as the Zazen account with  far less K/D, obviously and slightly fewer kills per sortie, the only other real difference was kills/time. Due to the fact I rarely landed and generally didn't get much altitude before engaging and rarely disengaged to re-alt, kills/time with my wife's account was much higher. So kills/time outweighs the much higher K/D and slightly higher kills/sortie of my Zazen account by a large margin.

My conclusion, after that experiment, flying to "DIE" is actually much easier to do and far easier to rank higher with than "flying to survive". If my motive was to impress people with my godlike rank, and chest-thump, I sure as hell wouldn't try to do it flying to survive, I'd just furball until I either killed everything, ran out of ammunition, or died. Saying people like myself "Fly to Survive" as an attention getting device or some such thing are rediculously off-base from a statistical point-of-view. "Flying to survive" takes longer, requires more forethought, is much harder to rank higher with, and one bad day for a "Fly to survive" type would ruin your score for the whole camp. In the final analysis, "Flying to survive" is actually more thought and time consuming with far less potential reward from a rank/score perspective. People who "Fly to survive" then are doing it primarily for their own personal edification and nothing more.

The other thing to note, and this applies to myself as well as many others typecast as "Fly to Survive" types. Don't assume just because we choose to fly to survive we can't yank and bank with the best of them, we just choose not to as it leaves you needlessly vulnerable to any dweeb with some alt that happens by the fight you are currently engaged in. You don't play these games ten years without being at least moderately proficient at every facet of gameplay. To think otherwise is an exercise in deliberate self-dellusion.

I don't know about anyone else but I learned to TnB LONG before I ever even considered "Flying to Survive". It was only after I became bored with that style that I looked to "flying to survive" as a more tactically complex and realistic approach to airiel combat. The first year I played AW I flew spitfires exclusively, then for the next two years I was yanking and banking in the 109-Franz. It wasn't until I deduced I could glean no more insight into the nuances of airiel combat from this limited vantage I began to fly the Fw190 in "Fly to Survive" mode. I am sure most successfull "Fly to Survive" types have a similiar pattern.


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« Reply #137 on: February 03, 2004, 11:28:03 AM »
Who the hell is Zazen?  

I like the stats though, although I think they'd be more useful broken down by category like fighters, bombers, GVs, manned ack.  Or at least planes and GVs/manned ack.  

Personally speaking, I've never noticed that much of a difference between the countries, though I have seen that the side with the largest numbers tends to be the side flying the most timidly.

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« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2004, 11:50:32 AM »
Nopoop typed:

"Anyhow, Aces High represents the crowning jewel of a life-long obsession I have had with World War 2 history. It is more than a video game to me..."
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A what!!!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!  I can't be!!!
WTF you mean game???  

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« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2004, 12:38:19 PM »
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Who the hell is Zazen?  

I like the stats though, although I think they'd be more useful broken down by category like fighters, bombers, GVs, manned ack.  Or at least planes and GVs/manned ack.  

Personally speaking, I've never noticed that much of a difference between the countries, though I have seen that the side with the largest numbers tends to be the side flying the most timidly.


Yea, I need to get with MiniD and see if that is possible. The score system within this website has no provision for that yet. Says, "Coming Soon" as it has for over a year. I would LOVE to see a more specific breakdown in the Country Vs. Country format.
Anyways, Zazen is just a board troll who enjoys constructive debate, ignore him. ;)

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« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2004, 02:12:18 PM »
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I think what pisses most people off is the neurotic, timid gamers who look for loopholes in the game and use every advantage and try to mask it with the term "realistic" when "realistic' is the last thing they want.  They fly the fastest planes and do everything in the world to avoid a fair fight... when the pressure of being so pompous and uptight gets to be too much for them they get a "shades" account because... they adctually think that people care about their "realistc" timid persona or.... even know who it is.

pitiful... as DMF says.... gawd what a tard!    Can you imagine being around this guy in person?  

lazs


Lazs, is just one of those types of people who has to get his fingers in every pie. Not going to dignify this prattle with an intelligent response.:aok

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P.S. I love the Fm2 and do quite well in it thank-you very much, in reference to your post under side-balancing.:D
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« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2004, 04:20:52 PM »
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Flying to survive" is actually....... less potential reward from a rank/score perspective.


Forgive me if I disagree here.  As far as the rank system goes, I think it is pretty darned near evenly balanced for both mindsets.

To counter your assertion, I can give you a name or two of some guys that do well in the ranking, and they really don't furball much, nor do they fly the way they do with an eye  on  rank.... their rank is merely a byproduct of their flying preferences.(In other words, one doesn't have to fly with the desire to have a high rank to accomplish one, regardless of their flying style.. furballer or .... otherwise.)

IMO the rank system is fine for what I use it for: a means to look up stats on friends/foes.
 To drag up an old idea(again): rank can have very little to do w/ how dangerous a person is in the MA.  Since we have used Todd and Shane, let's do it again.  Both of these guys are so skilled, and so dangerous in the MA that when I run into them, I know after the first merge or two just who it is.  I can see a fight and tell you as I approach if Levi is in one of the spitV's there.  Bounce shane's La7 and you'll be able to tell after the first move who you are dealing with. There are a only a handful of guys like this, but few of them rank high in fighters....any of them?
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« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2004, 04:28:27 PM »
This thread is weak.

 Need more flames, need more spice.

 Where'd all the excellent raging sabbaticals of the old times go??

 ...

 We should be seeing more Bish and more Knits in this thread violently disagreeing! :D

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« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2004, 04:43:45 PM »
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Forgive me if I disagree here.  As far as the rank system goes, I think it is pretty darned near evenly balanced for both mindsets.

To counter your assertion, I can give you a name or two of some guys that do well in the ranking, and they really don't furball much, nor do they fly the way they do with an eye  on  rank.... their rank is merely a byproduct of their flying preferences.(In other words, one doesn't have to fly with the desire to have a high rank to accomplish one, regardless of their flying style.. furballer or .... otherwise.)

IMO the rank system is fine for what I use it for: a means to look up stats on friends/foes.
 To drag up an old idea(again): rank can have very little to do w/ how dangerous a person is in the MA.  Since we have used Todd and Shane, let's do it again.  Both of these guys are so skilled, and so dangerous in the MA that when I run into them, I know after the first merge or two just who it is.  I can see a fight and tell you as I approach if Levi is in one of the spitV's there.  Bounce shane's La7 and you'll be able to tell after the first move who you are dealing with. There are a only a handful of guys like this, but few of them rank high in fighters....any of them?


Umm, not sure what your point is, both Shane and Levi have sub 100 fighter ranks usually. I wasn't flying my wife's account to attain rank either, it just happened, and I used that to prove this point. Just asserting that flying in furballs almost exclusively is actually more conducive to higher rank than flying to live is, generally speaking. It also requires far less time and mental effort. I know, I can and do both styles.
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« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2004, 04:47:21 PM »
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This thread is weak.

 Need more flames, need more spice.

 Where'd all the excellent raging sabbaticals of the old times go??

 ...

 We should be seeing more Bish and more Knits in this thread violently disagreeing! :D


Yea, Lazs is doing his best to suck this down into the flame-fest toilet bowl he always does to good threads. I wouldn't let him ;)
Nice, good, clean juicy debate is a nice change on this forum. Let's keep it that way. If you want a flame-fest thread, start your own.

Call it, "Rooks Suxxors! Bishes Rool! Knights Drool!"

You'll have all the 15 year olds clammering over one another to get their flames in :D

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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2004, 04:50:07 PM »
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This thread is weak.


I think everyone agrees with this that is why so few have chimed in.

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Need more flames, need more spice.

Where'd all the excellent raging sabbaticals of the old times go??  


Zazen is so full of BS it's amazing, yeah you need better SA to cherry pick than you do to furball.   Right

Also anyone that needs shade accounts really isn't worth the time and effort, since this means everything he says and his only public accout represents is padded BS.

Anyone could make statements based on imaginary accounts ( i.e when I fly my wifes account. )  Unless you have a name to back it up shut it up.  That's how I look at it.  

To me Zazen is hiding in so many ways that his credability is worhtless.

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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2004, 04:52:54 PM »
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Unless you have a name to back it up shut it up


well if he was truthful w/ the ranks he gave, his wife's account name is:  Lexus
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« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2004, 04:53:42 PM »
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I think everyone agrees with this that is why so few have chimed in.

 

Zazen is so full of BS it's amazing, yeah you need better SA to cherry pick than you do to furball.   Right

Also anyone that needs shade accounts really isn't worth the time and effort, since this means everything he says and his only public accout represents is padded BS.

Anyone could make statements based on imaginary accounts ( i.e when I fly my wifes account. )  Unless you have a name to back it up shut it up.  That's how I look at it.  

To me Zazen is hiding in so many ways that his credability is worhtless.


You aren't the brightest bulb in the box are you? Just look up who was 89th Fighter rank last camp...Duh.... heh
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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2004, 04:58:17 PM »
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Umm, not sure what your point is,


Maybe you missed it, here it is again: Forgive me if I disagree here. As far as the rank system goes, I think it is pretty darned near evenly balanced for both mindsets.
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« Reply #149 on: February 03, 2004, 04:59:22 PM »
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both Shane and Levi have sub 100 fighter ranks usually


Perspective difference here as to what a high rank is, sorry.
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