A reason for pause...

[Reschke]

Ok I have a little insight on the former WTC area footprint. I have several customers who pump concrete and were on call 24/7 to pump concrete into the foundation areas of the WTC complex during the cleanup. Here is the information pieced together from several customers a few months ago along with my limited knowledge of metal working (after all I do work for a steel pipe fabrication company).

OK enough about that.

From what I have been told about the WTC the entire area was connected underground. With the initial fall of the twin towers the area (foundations) for all the buildings were subject to huge extremes of shift and changes in how they held together. The companies who are my customers were responsible for placing concrete within the areas of shift and had to have trucks onsite 24/7 for the duration of the cleanup. I have been told by several sources that they placed several thousand cubic meters of concrete on site at the WTC area foundation in the clean up time.

So taking into account that the entire area was linked underground wouldn't it be possible for the supporting structure of WTC #7 to have been shifted/damaged in some way with the falling of the other two towers.

In order to have weakness within a steel structure only one area has to be weakened. To bring down the towers the entire 200,000 tons of steel in the structures would not have to be heated up to what is called "movement". Only one area has to be weakened and if it is supporting other sections then it becomes the weakened zone and can not support the area as it should. Thereby the material around it can not support the load above.  This would have caused the load above to shift and twist within itself and only cause a minimal debris field.

For instance if you have a substance...Steel...that is formed from the bonding of other metals in a melting process it can become annealed and brittle. Once steel has been hardened (which all steel has to be hardened to one degree or another) it doesn't take alot of heat to actually change the hardness. Now if there were areas within just a few meters of each other that had varying degrees of hardness and temperature they would have been unable to support the weight of the floors from above.

Just the other day we were showing a customer what would happen if he welded his pipes without water cooling them on the inside while welding on the outside a full 4 mm away from the heat. The result was the steel outer inner pipe became brittle and shattered when being dropped from ~3 feet high.

Geez now I need to go fly. Thanks for the intellectual exercise Kappa.

[Seraphim]

I'm amazed how anyone could believe some sort of conspiracy this could be, murdering 2300 people and not get caught....Clinton couldn't get awaywith a BJ but our entire govt get away with blowing up 2 world known buildings? cmon ... I'll bet it's the same conspiracy theorists that think Pearl was an american plan too.
Grow up. Get over it.

[lazs2]

kappa... the women don't blow up buildings and blame eh rabs..  nor do they hide on grassy knolls or control all the worlds money in secret meetings with secret handshakes and all... no....

They will get your wussie liberal butt before they get mine.

All the women can do is take away my toys and send me to my room.

lazs

[Pooh21]

See its Bush ,hes smart enough to set up a plot to bring down the WTC and blame it on the poor innocent camel-jockeys so he can have global domination, YET so stupid he cant STEAL an election and not get caught.


Its of course all a plot of those Haliburton-International Zionist-Illuminati Masons that come from space ships from the secret Nazi base inside the earth at the north pole.  And their goal is starting a Boosh dynasty that will rule the world.
And anyone who gets in their way will be sqooshed like a stinkbug,like Pricess Diana she had evidence of their plot and she gave it to Captain Kangaroo and look what happened to em both.

OOps a big black car just pulled up ouside and I thi-dsfadffsdddaaa

[Seraphim]

Damit Pooh! That base is a secret!!!! Shhhhhhhhhh!!!

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Seraphim
I'm amazed how anyone could believe some sort of conspiracy this could be, murdering 2300 people and not get caught....Clinton couldn't get awaywith a BJ but our entire govt get away with blowing up 2 world known buildings? cmon ... I'll bet it's the same conspiracy theorists that think Pearl was an american plan too.
Grow up. Get over it.

I thought Pearl was bombed by a squadron of a-6 intruders, escorted by Tomcats from the deck of the USS Nimitz--on the orders of Kurt Douglas. They came back in time to pull it off.

Operation 'Final Countdown' I think it was called.

Jeez, I hope I'm not wrong.

[Seraphim]

Sheesh
I trusted you guys with these plans
now thats it. Next time we plan on mass destruction of our own people you guys are gonna have to stay home and write essays on why it's not nice to give alqueda plutonium half price...

*im so disappointed*

no more  nerve gas for you either!!!

[Stringer]

Originally posted by Reschke

From what I have been told about the WTC the entire area was connected underground. With the initial fall of the twin towers the area (foundations) for all the buildings were subject to huge extremes of shift and changes in how they held together. The companies who are my customers were responsible for placing concrete within the areas of shift and had to have trucks onsite 24/7 for the duration of the cleanup. I have been told by several sources that they placed several thousand cubic meters of concrete on site at the WTC area foundation in the clean up time.

 

So it was the SICILIANS!!!

Isn't it obvious, why else would they be pouring all that ceeement there?  To cover up there role in the whole thing of course!!

It's already a known fact that tons of concrete was poured at the site on a 24 hour bases after the collapse.  There is no real reason for that, afterall the towers already collapsed.  The only conclusion one can draw is that the cement was poured to cover up any evidence of explosive charges.

Now since we've established that the cement was poured to cover up the evidence of explosive charges, and since we all know who "runs" the concrete business in NY, then isn't obvious that the SICILIANS pulled this off?

Never trust a SICILIAN!!

Hey, this conspiracy stuff is fun when you check common sense and reasoning at the door!

[Kieran]

FOOOOOOOLs!

[Shuckins]

Yeager has it right, you imbeciles.  A cousin of mine has a pard who's sister's boyfriend works for the FBI.  HE says that video cameras caught the culprits in the act.  One of the drivers has been tentatively identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, which confirms my long-held suspicions that his "murder" on national television was "staged" by J. Edgar Hoover.  The original film has been doctored to mask Hoover's presence at the scene, tastefully dressed, I might add, in a bare-shouldered evening gown, high-heeled shoes, and a dark, curly wig that draped gracefully down to his padded hips.

Imbeciles.

Shuckins

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Stringer
So it was the SICILIANS!!!

Isn't it obvious, why else would they be pouring all that ceeement there?  To cover up there role in the whole thing of course!!

It's already a known fact that tons of concrete was poured at the site on a 24 hour bases after the collapse.  There is no real reason for that, afterall the towers already collapsed.  The only conclusion one can draw is that the cement was poured to cover up any evidence of explosive charges.

Now since we've established that the cement was poured to cover up the evidence of explosive charges, and since we all know who "runs" the concrete business in NY, then isn't obvious that the SICILIANS pulled this off?

Never trust a SICILIAN!!

Hey, this conspiracy stuff is fun when you check common sense and reasoning at the door!

NEVER GO IN AGAINST A SICILIAN WHEN DEATH IS ON THE LINE!!!

INCONCEIVABLE!!!

[kappa]

Originally posted by Kieran
You're being absurd. Your argument was structural collapse was not possible because the levels fell too quickly- you assumed it would take one second per floor to collapse, yet it fell at freefall speed. You have been given enumerous plausible reasons, whether you accept them or not. Your argument is totally defeated.

I've noticed that, for a man who says he likes to consider all the facts, you have an alarming tendency to ignore to data you disagree with.

Edit: "ignore" for "listen". Gimme a break, I was tired.

Kieran, you are so delusional in your attempt to prove me wrong you have no idea what you are trying to argue. You say I have argued structual collaspe was not a possibility? You are an ignorant fool. I have never said any of the like. Of course structual collapse/failure was what brought #7 down. Your attempt to distort my ideas shows not only your ignorance, but in this case your stupidity. I have said nothing about Building #7’s fall except that it was very close to free-fall and it looked like a classic demolition. It seems you are still attempting to argue WTCs 1 and 2. I merely look for reasons on #7. Please, if you can not stay with the subject please go away. I know this will not work as you have shown your ignorance over and over and over and over again. I have no doubt that you will return to do the same without even the slightest attempt at a productive conversation of the facts. But when you do return, attempt to give some plausible reason for the falling of #7.
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I have been able to find nothing of any underground tunnels connecting WTCs 1 & 2 to building #7. There are a few websites talking about underground subway tracks around the area. I find no evidence of a direct underground connecting tunnel between the twin towers and #7 after extensive search. If any among you have a link or credible evidence of the contrary, would you please post it?

Underground forces I found to be a very good idea of the reasons #7 fell. Yet I have been unable to find any underground connection. I might add that FEMA’s report states nothing of this matter. Some websites go as far as to continue to spread the misconception that diesel fuel tanks are responsible for the fires that burnt hot enough for structural failure of the building, yet they are reported to have been found largely intact in FEMA’s report.

[Kieran]

Well, good thing you're above personal attack, eh? Constructive criticism?

You can't tell me the exact cause for why some buildings stand and some don't after a tornado, earthquake, flood, or any other natural disaster, yet you could probably accept they were not some sinister plot by the Bush administration. FEMA didn't tell you exactly why #7 fell, so you are ready to believe is was blown up on spurious evidence you interpret... interestingly. Face it, you want it to be an internal conspiracy. Why, I don't know, but it's clear you do. I may be ignorant (or more likely, I simply disagree with your "logic"), but that much is very easy to see.

Still waiting for you to come clean.

[kappa]

Originally posted by Kieran
Well, good thing you're above personal attack, eh? Constructive criticism?

You can't tell me the exact cause for why some buildings stand and some don't after a tornado, earthquake, flood, or any other natural disaster, yet you could probably accept they were not some sinister plot by the Bush administration. FEMA didn't tell you exactly why #7 fell, so you are ready to believe is was blown up on spurious evidence you interpret... interestingly. Face it, you want it to be an internal conspiracy. Why, I don't know, but it's clear you do. I may be ignorant (or more likely, I simply disagree with your "logic"), but that much is very easy to see.

Still waiting for you to come clean.

LoL You call yourself ignorant and say its easy to see?? I agree.

Come clean about what? What is to come clean about? I have done nothing wrong. A governmental investigation has never let no conclusive reason be reason when all the evidence was at one time right infront of it stand. There are no other government sponsored investigations into #7. Why dont you stop showing your ignorant mind and attempt something here. You have yet to do so.
Tornados, earthquakes, floods? Reasons within themselfs and they do not qualify as reason for #7. Bush lacks the brain power to conjure up 9/11.. I do not suspect Bush.. Now go away..

[Kieran]

I can see why you are struggling to understand FEMA's report, as you don't understand simple english. I don't have to attempt to make you look foolish, you're doing a good job all on your own.

Let me help you with your english though.

See Spot.
See Spot run.
Run Spot, run.

Get back with me when you can read it without help. Until then, I'll speak plainer to you.

FEMA no say they not have ideas.

FEMA say it no can say exact reason.

Kappa no read gud.