If AH Were More Realistic ....

[Hap]

My guess is the complainers would howl. I finished a couple short works on WW2 focusing on avaition's role.  Here's some approximate dates to consider:

9/39 war begins      5/40 low countries fall        6/40 France falls

BOB summer of '40   Africa '41 & E Front   Yougoslavia early '41

Pearl 12/41  Doolittle 4/42   Midway 6/42 and B-17's hit France

Fall of '42  El Alamein,      Stalingrand holds,          US in Africa

Spring '43 Rommel with drawn from Africa

6/43 Kursk and Reds roll

11/43 Italy falls

3/44 long range bomber escorts into Germany

5/44 B-29's v Japan       6/44 D-day       Summer '45 war ends.


What I see as noteworthy is the turn of the tide from either spring or summer of '42 on via the destruction that bombers created.  As the articles' focus is on air power, I've not mentioned land forces whose sacrifice and efficacy is inestimable.

The picture that emerges is that strategic bombing broke the Axis' back and allowed for land captures via Army and Marines.

Also, in June of '44 Allied command had to decide between oil and communications and the #1 target in Europe.  Ike voted communications.  

Whew sorry for the length of this, but now to the point ... could you imagine what Aces High would be like if our communication system could be porked?  Dunno how it would shake out, but you can picture it i'm sure.  

Leaving a strategic aera with no dar, no radio, no gas, no bombs, and no troops were achieved goals in WW2.

I think adding communication systems to the strat system would increase the game's realism which I would enjoy.  I also would say "yes" to more factory and zone level porking.  Again, more realistic.   Maybe increasing buff's toughness above 25k??

I'm sure I've probably missed a date or two and y'all will correct me.  As far as my conclusions, I equally sure I can count on you to correct those too

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Hap

Yes, and make it so that the comunications bulding is well visible from 3K out, and it only takes a few 50 rounds to kill.

[Hap]

lol

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Hap
lol

Sorry, I could not resist

[Hap]

i'd make it tough ... lets see hq is like 19k, i'd make it 15k hard.  if it goes down cntry loses vox and radio for an 1hr except in a tower.  and make buffs tougher over 25k.  let fly where they belong (mostly).  we'd get the jets back up in the high air while jabos do their field work and buffs on facs.

sounds sorta real to me.

[NoBaddy]

hmm, still trying to find info on the bombing raids that made all of the Axis radios stop working. Meybe I should google this one .

[Rino]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
hmm, still trying to find info on the bombing raids that made all of the Axis radios stop working. Meybe I should google this one .

     I think maybe he meant transportation and lines of communication?  

     Actually the 8th was a little pissed to be used to support the
Normandy invasion by hitting transportation targets in France
instead of the strategic ones they wanted to target.

     Rino

[Hap]

no need for google baddy.  ike was presented with 2 options in summer of 44  oil or com.  he chose communications.  i don't know how it shook out.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Rino
I think maybe he meant transportation and lines of communication?  

     Actually the 8th was a little pissed to be used to support the
Normandy invasion by hitting transportation targets in France
instead of the strategic ones they wanted to target.

     Rino

I know that's the 'communications' that he is talking about . That type of warfare is already represented in the strat system we have now. Bomb the city and reduce the availability of transport (ie. what you destroy takes longer to repair).

My point...to point out (via sarcasm) that destruction of nation wide radio communications is inane .

Hap...here is how it shook out. They bombed the crap outta roads, bridges and railways. Thus, inhibiting the enemy's ability to 'communicate' (bring supplies and troops) to the front.

Sorry, guess I really need to brush up on my sarcasm skills before posting again .

[Overlag]

AH seems lately to have turned into a furball only arena.....

the strat system does very little unless alot of people are hitting the strat, at which point furballers call people "point grabbers"

Strat needs a rework, i mean by the end of WWII most of the airforce was bombers wasnt it?

id like to see bombers used the right way too...im sick of dive bombing lancs, or 1k high b17s  

[Ghosth]

One thing to consider. AH as it is has virtually eliminated the level bomber.

Give bombers a 10k spawn point away from the field with the H spawn.

If not now, at least consider it for AH2.

[Morpheus]

Funny thing this thread is. Its not worth taking serious, except for the nice little tid bits of info that hap1 provided for us but other wise its good to read it over just for a laugh.

Give bombers a 10k spawn point away from the field with the H spawn.

That one really had me goin. I hope you werent serious. Half the fun of flying bombers is to actually well, um FLY THEM...? no? I think so anyways.

One thing to consider. AH as it is has virtually eliminated the level bomber.

Sad but true. I think alot of times people just hop into the game for a quick flight and then jump out and go about their daily lives.

Lets face it, flying bombers takes time. Although flying fighters and living takes time also the overall durration of the flight seems to be much longer in bombers than that of a fighter. For me anyways.

Bombers are very useful to Aces High. They are great to suicide CV's with, very fun to take up and go afk for several hours and ride on up to 35k and drop eggs from un-godly alts.
If some are very enthusiastic, they can drop FH's, VH's, and other strat on an enemy AF.


Now for the real KICKER

could you imagine what Aces High would be like if our communication system could be porked

Yeah thats exactly what 200 some odd people wish to do when they log on... Sit in silece while morons run around porking our HQ to kill VOX for the other country and laugh about it.

I think you are missing a simple aspect of this game that makes it what it is. "FUN" People dont want to log on and not be able to talk and BS with one another. I dont know about you hap, well I do but thats besides the point, when i log on, a big part of having fun in the game is joking and laughing with my fellow squadies. Im sure this stands for many other players as well. Now you wish to be granted the ability to take that away?

Lets not forget the "Game" aspect my fellow foe...

Running missions, porking bases, killig HQ's, taking bases and grabbing up every spec of land you can find is one thing. Its apart of the game as we know it...

Again, more realistic. Maybe increasing buff's toughness above 25k??

Hap, now whats going on here sir?

You call out for a more realistic game and then suggest that HTC makes Bombers "tougher" at 25k and up?
Are you trying to be silly here?

Um im not sure if you know this but bullets fly the same at all alts. The velocity of a round is not effected by the thin air due to high altitudes. Now...

On the other hand if you wanted to make it so guns would freeze up and become inoperable due to the cold climate at high altitudes then that would be something entirely different.

In short, how does adding hardness to a buff at altitudes of 25k and up add to the realism of the game?

I can answer that for you though:D

It doesnt, it just makes it more "Gamey"

And that is a bad thing from your veiw right?

my fellow Foe;)

[Hap]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
They bombed the crap outta roads, bridges and railways. Thus, inhibiting the enemy's ability to 'communicate' (bring supplies and troops) to the front.  

no doubt about the targets you listed.  so courriers then could not bring instructions as easily as they once had?  were not radio/phone communications also disrupted and damaged as they were on d-day beyond june of '44?

[Overlag]

Originally posted by MoRphEuS

That one really had me goin. I hope you werent serious. Half the fun of flying bombers is to actually well, um FLY THEM...? no? I think so anyways.
 

yup.... climb out is the best thing and for one thing i find it VERY difficult to get Lancs off a run way at 8k, let alone 10k

I do bomb runs when i need to be AFK alot. for instance i take off 2-3 sectors back (4-5 for lancs) and alt tab alot while checking emails, bbs/forums or porn

Yeah thats exactly what 200 some odd people wish to do when they log on... Sit in silece while morons run around porking our HQ to kill VOX for the other country and laugh about it.

you have fighters with big guns dont you?

thats one thing i like about my squad, if they spot bombers THEY cant reach they tell everyone else about it (squad first, then ch2). For instance there was an AR234 running constant runs for 3-4hours last night on our City strat... They reported he was 4 sectors away and i upped a temp, shot him up a bit....... but did the normal thing of getting shot down and swearing loudly at myself

We always try and kill bombers since they are easy kills (most the time)

[Angus]

Bombers are too far and few apart in AH now, or that's how I see it. Hell, I almost feel sorry to shoot them down,  -poor pilot having wasted perhaps 30 minutes on climb and cruise.
What one can perhaps do with a medium bomber, one can do better with a jabo, so there's a point.
Take hangar killing for instance, 2x110's can kill around 4 hangars, mostly with rockets and cannons.
Perhaps the "blast" needs to be remodelled to give some purpose to the big bombs. Say that a good stick of 1000 pounders should also deack a base or so. Maybe, some hangars should be bulletproof? Maybe roads and rails could be temporarily stopped by craters, thereby stopping convoys?
All an issue to wonder really.