Author Topic: Event in Fallujah (Read 1368 times)

rogwar · « **on:** March 31, 2004, 07:24:15 PM »

Folks,

First of all this is very tragic and horrific event. My condolences to the families of these people.

My thoughts here are from first-hand geopolitical experience and analysis. This is a theory....not proof but just a theory for analysis. The intention is not to debate the right or wrong in Iraq but to analyze this situation.

I have been studying the news coverage from a variety of sources in detail on this event. My basic thought is that this was a staged event by opposing forces. Those people were ambushed (they didn't know such might be staged) and then some type of follow-up Somalia like event was pre-arranged to occur.

If you notice from the video there are some folks with their faces covered that seem to be leading the group. A lot of money is still available in the country to incite people to do awful things. A similar event in Somalia had a dramatic impact via the press.

Again, the intention is not to debate the right or wrong in Iraq but to analyze this situation.

Thinking from the insurgency side it would be good practice to ambush some foreigners (particularly US soldiers or citizens). Non-soldier foreigners (not in an amored vehicle with subsequent amored support) would be a softer target.

Anyway, kill some foreigners and then deface their corpses in front of the press. This was a staged show in my opinion designed to create a similar impact as we saw in Somalia. Such is generally accepted around the world to have had a significant negative impact on the American people regarding our presence in Somalia.

It would be interesting to interrogate (using similar methods as police would do in any western country where a similar event should happen) a statistically significant sample of the Iraqis that showed up to this event. Were they incited to show up? Were people paid to show up?

I believe there is a little more here than just the news bits we receive via the media. This didn't seem as much to be true hatred as playing for the international press.

What are your thoughts? only on this event please. Lets analyze this and not get into discussion of the right or wrong of the Iraq war. Think of it in terms of an independent analsyt viewpoint.

Regards

Yeager · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:05:53 PM »

Fallujah is a Sunni stronghold. The minority Sunnis (30% of population) have controlled Iraq by proxy through Hussein for 35 years using maximum brutality and genocide against the majority of Iraqis. They (Sunnis) know that they will be dealt with harshly by a whole lot of non-sunni Iraqis with an axe to grind and really have no future since they were removed from power by the US led coalition. This fuels their hatred and results in the butchery we saw today.

If I were in Charge in Iraq I would surround that city, give one opportunity for the women and children to exit peacefully then level the place entirely. A warning to the other Sunni population centers to seek peace or suffer the same fate. Time to cut these people out of the picture. As long as the sunnis are allowed to resist and behave like animals Iraq is doomed.

Nefarious · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:22:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
If I were in Charge in Iraq I would surround that city, give one opportunity for the women and children to exit peacefully then level the place entirely. A warning to the other Sunni population centers to seek peace or suffer the same fate.

I'm glad your not in Charge.

That has Military Fiasco written all over it.

Yeager · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:27:07 PM »

I'm glad your not in Charge.
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Lol...me too

Nilsen · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:52:44 PM »

so Yeager.. would you use gass....like saddam did?

montag · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2004, 11:59:56 PM »

Very sad indeed. Cant they isolate Fulluja and the other rowdy towns. Build Bagdad, and the rest of the better parts of Iraq and deal with them later. Not saying bagdad is much better. Its just that its the capital of Iraq so it has to be rebuilt first. Isolate all those feakin warlords and their towns.

LAWCobra · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:06:36 AM »

I think A C-130 gunship is in order here.
I have said it all along these ignorant goat hearders cant handle to society we are trying to build for them.

They simply love to kill each other too much to ever live in peace.

SO I say hand them some god awfull payback and come home let them have there stinking chithole of a country.
We have removed SH our job is done.

Monitor the retards from now on and boitch slap em as needed.

montag · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:16:16 AM »

These trouble spots in Iraq, they are like diseases or infections. I think they should be treated as such by containing them. Then dealing with them when the time or remedy exists. Complete isolation so they are on their own for food, electricity, etc... Bring them to the barganing table instead. Why not, Iraq as a country has been sanctioned for more than 10 years. These terrorists know that these attacks also have the affect of motivating the anger of populace towards their cause. If they are succesful.

Nilsen · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:22:40 AM »

So montag... you would isolate Iraq and make it like a deathcamp hah? let everyone suffer for what a MINORITY does?

nice troll/idiot post.

And for your info Yeager, Falluja is a stonghold but yet only 30% in the town are sunni. You would evacuate the woman and kids and then kill everyone over 18? And you would use gass like saddam or bullets/grenades.

nice troll/idiot post.

LAWCobra · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:25:34 AM »

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Originally posted by montag
These trouble spots in Iraq, they are like diseases or infections. I think they should be treated as such by containing them. Then dealing with them when the time or remedy exists. Complete isolation so they are on their own for food, electricity, etc... Bring them to the barganing table instead. Why not, Iraq as a country has been sanctioned for more than 10 years. These terrorists know that these attacks also have the affect of motivating the anger of populace towards their cause. If they are succesful.

As DR Phil would say Hows that been workin for ya?

LOL we have had a rather large military force in that country for over a year now right!

And yet these ijits are still able to get grenaids to blow up cars.

And small arms:confused: why? why do they even have the dammed things (guns) in the first place?

Have they not gone door to door and taken all there toys away?
If not maybe that should be Oh I dont know THE NEXT STEP.

If they aint got no guns no grenaids and launchers they gonna have a hard time hurting eachother and our troops.

Go thrue these "hot spots" and take away all GUNS and such.
If they refuse KILL THEM!

The message will get out pretty fast and guns will begin to pile up un the front of the commanders tent

LAWCobra · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2004, 12:35:34 AM »

That sir is the sickist part of any war.
Sometimes children will die and It makes my stomach turn to think of any child being killed in a war that he knows nothing about.

For his childhood to be taken away by stupid "adults" is the biggest war crime of all i think.

Furious · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2004, 01:54:06 AM »

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Originally posted by LAWCobra
I think A C-130 gunship is in order here.
I have said it all along these ignorant goat hearders cant handle to society we are trying to build for them.

They simply love to kill each other too much to ever live in peace.

SO I say hand them some god awfull payback and come home let them have there stinking chithole of a country.
We have removed SH our job is done.

Monitor the retards from now on and boitch slap em as needed.

You should invite them all to the con and then kick their asses.

LAWCobra · « **Reply #12 on:** April 01, 2004, 01:55:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Furious
You should invite them all to the con and then kick their asses.

NO I will prolly be too tierd from laughing at your arse so much:aok

ravells · « **Reply #13 on:** April 01, 2004, 03:36:43 AM »

Interesting theory Rogwar. I would not be surprised if it was orchestrated for the reasons you have given.

Ravs

babek- · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2004, 03:50:23 AM »

Its not only Falluja or the Sunnites.

The whole Iraq is actually fighting a civil war. In North Iraq the kurdish clans fight each others. Arabs have to flee from N-Iraq or are killed by the kurds. Same with the turkmen minority living there. So called traitors and collaborateurs are lynched.
The same in the shiite dominated regions and the sunnite regions.

Day by day many iraquis are lynched by iraquis.

But its not important for the TV to report this.

When foreigners like people from the USA are lynched the same way we get the shocking news from iraq.

I think Iraq is lost for a very long time. The actual government - most of them corrupt people who were put in charge by the occupation forces - are no hope for a democracy in Iraq. No one in iraq respects them.

The fact that the majority of the Iraquis are shiites and that they would do what their ajatollahs tell them also make a democratic election impossible. Or do you want an Islamic Republic of Iraq after the first democratic election ?

On the other hand: Why wasting any soldiers or people or money in Iraq ?

The best would be to leave the Iraq and watch how they kill each other in a civil war.