Why all the complaining about HO?

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Originally posted by Blooz
Bah.

A pilot who commits to the HO increases the possibility of getting engine hits which will put himself at an advantage.

A pilot that commits to the HO will ensure that he will be ridiculed for the skilless dweeb that he is.  And those that use the HO to try to gain any form of advantage will soon realize that it puts you at a disadvantage when you run up against someone that doesn't playthe HO game and out flies you like the silly HO dweeb you are.


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Originally posted by AcePappy
Debuman is 100% correct. Everytime i HO someone they complain and whine like a little girl. It gets old, seriousy people. Get over it, you die you die, get back up and try again, kinda like riding a bike for the first time eh gents?. In World War II if you were in the air in a 109 and going against a Spitfire, would you get on his radio channel and yell out "Hey Kraut you HO'd me you cheater!" ? no i dont think so. Would you go against a 109 in a spitfire and yell to your enemy "Hey You P***Y!! Get out of high alttitude"! ? God the complaining gets annoying, deal with it, it's a war game, people use every chance they can to shoot you down so, do the same to them. Just think, the Ho can save you from getting killed. It can also help you when there's more then 1 on you. Jus think, if you dont kill them in any way possible, there just going to try and kill you.
       Just My 2 cents.

        ~AcePappy~
     Commanding STAFF
      248 Squadron RAF
      "Yorkshire Coast"

And that is why HO dweebs like you are so easy to shoot down...


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[beet1e]

ROFL Debuman!  Great posts.

Second - why do people constantly rag on those who fly spits and LA7's as "dweebs"? During WWII, most pilots had no choice as to what aircraft to fly, and there were certainly a lot of Spitfires and LA7's used in combat. IS it because those planes are superior to the one your flying and shoot you down? If this is the case, nothing prevents you from flying the same plane! Either that, or perfect your flying techniques. Nobaody forces you to fight in a P-40, etc.

It's a great shame that we have 70 planes, but many people just fly the uber trio. P51/la7/spit ix. I would like to fly some earlier planes or midwar planes, but when you're up against P51 etc it's no contest. The consolation is that those planes are used by some people as a crutch to compensate for lack of skill, and therefore can be some of the easiest kills around.

jodgi! I'm ready for another arse-paddling in the DA

If all the vets were to up lalas, spits and P51D's all the time the noobs would follow and we would have a pretty boring MA with little airplane variation.

I think we already have that. Whenever I log on to AH, the first sound I hear, almost without exception, is the drone of a P51 engine.

I prefer to not up the abovementioned planes and try to succeed with planes that are regarded as less potent. This I do for my own pleasure, but at the same time I am contributing to make the MA more rich in various plane models. This is a good thing IMO. I've been over bases with only lalas and spits upped in defense, this bores me somewhat, whatever success I may have in the following fight... again this is only IMO. I want variation in the MA and will up planes that contribute to this (and whine to try and impress new players that there is MA life beyond the lala).

Jodgi, I am on the same line of the same page as you. I never realised anyone felt exactly as I about this.

Some other good posts, but I don't have time to reply. Just on my way to a Conservative Club luncheon to plot the downfall of Tony Blair.

Hi Slapshot!

[jodgi]

Originally posted by beet1e
Jodgi, I am on the same line of the same page as you. I never realised anyone felt exactly as I about this.

There are many that share our view.

But people seem springloaded to assume that we wish to control them. Many have suggested that HTC should in various ways force people to up "lesser" planes by game design and they object strongly to it (and rightly so).

"It's my money and I do what I want..." is a valid statement. People can cling to this or try to see what could improve the game for everyone, and in most cases also themselves.

Noone should be forced to do anything.

Many have expressed their discontentment with the game these days. We can change the MA culture, not HTC.

[Delirium]

Thinking about it, (more so after last night) I must say I WILL take the HO depending on what I'm flying against. La7s are far too well known (with good reason) for 'one pass, haul ass', if I don't get a hit on him he'll just rev 4-5k out and make another pass or attempt to cherry pick me later.

I can say that 95% of the time those La7s lose the joust.

[Delirium]

Funny, I hear the same thing until the MA fully downloads all the players to my computer

Originally posted by beet1e
Whenever I log on to AH, the first sound I hear, almost without exception, is the drone of a P51 engine.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Delirium
Funny, I hear the same thing until the MA fully downloads all the players to my computer

I just logged in to repeat this test. I logged right out again when I saw pizza had been replaced by a small map. I sat in the tower and the first two planes I saw were enemy P51s. Oh it was fully downloaded all right, and those planes were really there.

[SlapShot]

You don't get it Beet ... You have to be a Knight to understand.

When Knights first login, EVERY plane and EVERY GV is a Bish P-51 until we get a certain amount of updates from the server.

[Cobra412]

The HO as some have stated is a legitmate tactic depending on how often and when it is used.  No pilot out here even the good ones will allow you to setup a stern, abeam or sweep conversion.  They have enough common sense to keep you in the forward quarter (FQ) and bring your aspect angle to nearly zero at the merge.  At this point it's just a matter of who is gonna fire or who is gonna actually try to merge and defeat the other con with a counter at the merge.  

I can see if there is alot of cons or atleast  a few inbound that you take your chances during the merge to get off some shots and atleast disable the other pilot so as to increase your chances once the others come in.  When doing it, it's definately not a good idea to be at a zero aspect angle.  Off left or right and low or high would be preferrable.  It's purely about having situational awareness and understanding that at times the FQ shot is a legit tactic and is a must with the situation presented to you.  It'd be great if every fight was one on one but it very rarely happens.  If it's one on one with no inbound cons to disrupt the fight then merge and use your ACM skills to fight the good fight.  If at that time during the maneuvering a snap shot is presented to you then take it.  

I had a great fight with aka the other night and no matter how much we both tried to get in each others rear hemisphere we were only presented with quick snap shots.  Majority of those were in the FQ.  Were they HO's in ones mind and not in another?  Guess that just depends on who your flying against.  Most consider the HO to be at a zero degreee aspect angle and at co-alt.  If that is where your taking your HO everytime regardless of the situation and not making an attempt to maneuver to the rear hemisphere then yes it's dweebish as some would say.  Learning how to do an HO or FQ attack is good to learn but don't use it as your primary tactic.  Even if it seems everytime you try to merge someone fires at you just learn the jinks to avoid it and then turn around and kill them with ACM.  Trust me the pilots who would rather merge and beat you with ACM will have more respect for you in the long run and your fights will be more enjoyable as time goes on.

[AcePappy]

well Put Cobra, very well put..

             -AcePappy-

[FOGOLD]

Thank you Cobra for a mature response. I am getting heartily nauseated by the superior and snobbish dweeb calling. Spit dweebs and HO dweebs and so on. A dweeb is a new or less skilled player, that's all. They're not some kind of lower life form and pay their money to play AH. The word dweeb should be banned by the moderater. The way people get so upset by HO shooters you would think they were getting shot down by them all the time. But that cant POSSIBLY be true:rolleyes:

Hell, I got involved in about 2 HO situations in as many months!

[SELECTOR]

HO is a ligit manover for the insane....if you dont want HO just turn,, or is the to difficult for anyone?...

this thread is competly pointless...

[FOGOLD]

Also very long:D

[fuzeman]

IMO, when in the middle of a fight if you get that forward quarter or head on shot you go for it and its not to bad.
A head on to complain about is if a single bandit is 5k out and closing dead on with little maneuvering, goes straight to you and does a head on shot and continues on their merry way to do that to the next contact. Well maybe not complain but in that instance the HOer definately needs some learning. This learning would almost certainly increase their enjoyment of the game also because nothing... absolutely nothing beats a nice fight between two guys... er combatants

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Originally posted by FOGOLD
A dweeb is a new or less skilled player, that's all.

Wrong, a Dweeb is a form or lower life form.  Always has been and always will be.


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