Outnumbered by Rooks...again

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
I guess I'm too stupid to understand your use of the English language as I did read your post.

You believe quality of gameplay is about equivalent forces. I believe quality of gameplay is more about enjoying working with people I like. That means I still play for "my side" even when we're getting our prettythanges handed to us on certain evenings when WE are outnumbered. I don't whine about it. It's just a game.

Have I missed your point again ?

Do you understand mine ?

Any more 8th grade taunts you wish to hurl at me ?

No, your reply ignored what I had said about flying with people I enjoy flying with and that Ive known since 95-96, and then proceeded to explain to me what it is like to fly with people predating AH.  Now how should I perceve a reply like that?  Either you didnt read it, or you are trying to be condecending with me.

Now you are explaining to me that I "believe gameplay is about equivalent forces" which is not what I said.  I did not even enter this thread whining about the numbers.  The thread starter wants HTC to do something about the numbers.  I disagree with that, because its up to the squads to deal with that, not HTC.  For some reason you seem to have a problem with that as if I am attacking your squad or you personally, which I am not.  

So what is your point?  Other than agreeing with me that flying with friends is great, and screw all the other players that only get to fly a little bit in the evenings and log on to find their country overrun all the time (why should they enjoy the game)?

[RTSigma]

Having even numbers will never be enough.

People will always whine that X side is outnumbered by Y side.

Your best bet is to be more friendly and form up with the pilots on your side. If you see a guy thats not in a squad, have him join your squad for a squad night or even ask him to join the actual squad.

Establish email contacts with other squads, just because you have a squad night for just your squad, you can't have a bi-squad or tri-squad night. And having it last an hour sometimes isn't enough. Try for two or even three hours. If you can get 20 guys dedicated on a purpose, you can pretty much influence a front.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Ohio330
Originally posted by Wrag: " Reupped from A1 with an added squaddie (3 of us now) and went hunting again and jumped a flight of about 6 or 7 P38's low and inb A43 from A50. Was great fight but got shot down this time LOL. Got em all to drop their ord and furball with us. Think we managed to get 4 of em."

  Heh was that you?  Ya our squad tried sneaking into 43..but
our target was the town..not the airbase.  I was able to take out
a few buildings in 2 passes while you guys furballed with my squad.  After hearing quite a few  "oh **** I'm down" calls from
them..  I ran like a girly man  

LOL was a good fight!  There was 3 of us.  2 in 190d9's and I think 1 in a 262.  Me, and if I recall correctly WMScrap and Spacer.

We were up around 22k and we saw these low p38's and just couldn't resist

Didn't think any of ya actually got away with your ord and hit your target!  

A little later more squadies, about 8 of us I think, came on and we did a successful pork the FH's run on A50 in 110's.  Then we furballed for awhile near A44.

[Zanth]

Plus que ca change, plus que c'est la meme chose.

[jamusta]

Originally posted by mars01

As a Bish all you do is get ganged so you get used to it.  Another thing as a bish, I noticed, is that you could have the numbers in an area and then all of a sudden your alone fighting tons of red.  Still can't figure that on out.

This is the reason I left the bishops. The majority will not tuff it out. I have found myself in many situations when bish were defending a base, lost the advantage and abandoned the few who really didnt care about their stats. There would be 20 bish then a few minutes later there would be 4 or 5. Mind you they stop upping even before the enemy is over the base to vulch. Bish will not fight without the advantage. The moment that the advantage seems to slip bish numbers slip even faster. Mars my friend, bish have a few great sticks, but most lack skill. Next time you are in that situation watch how it unfolds then you will see why you end up alone.

[Steve]

We were up around 22k

lol

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by RTSigma
Having even numbers will never be enough.

People will always whine that X side is outnumbered by Y side.

Your best bet is to be more friendly and form up with the pilots on your side. If you see a guy thats not in a squad, have him join your squad for a squad night or even ask him to join the actual squad.

Establish email contacts with other squads, just because you have a squad night for just your squad, you can't have a bi-squad or tri-squad night. And having it last an hour sometimes isn't enough. Try for two or even three hours. If you can get 20 guys dedicated on a purpose, you can pretty much influence a front.

I agree completely. You make a GREAT point !

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by Murdr
No, your reply ignored what I had said about flying with people I enjoy flying with and that Ive known since 95-96, and then proceeded to explain to me what it is like to fly with people predating AH.  Now how should I perceve a reply like that?  Either you didnt read it, or you are trying to be condecending with me.

Originally posted by Murdr
Hmm, yes well fortunately enough people value gameplay quality above a silly country tag.

This is an example of "condecending" from your previous post. What did you mean by it (if not equalizing force levels) ? or were you just trolling ?

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by jamusta
This is the reason I left the bishops. The majority will not tuff it out. I have found myself in many situations when bish were defending a base, lost the advantage and abandoned the few who really didnt care about their stats. There would be 20 bish then a few minutes later there would be 4 or 5. Mind you they stop upping even before the enemy is over the base to vulch. Bish will not fight without the advantage. The moment that the advantage seems to slip bish numbers slip even faster. Mars my friend, bish have a few great sticks, but most lack skill. Next time you are in that situation watch how it unfolds then you will see why you end up alone.

Everyone listen to someone who knows from first-hand experience, and is not just spouting some subjective, opinionated, bird guano. Each country has a 'unique character'. Jamusta has neatly summed up Bishop's 'unique character' right here in this post, read it and let it sink in real deep. This is long experience and carefull observation talking here.

Zazen

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Hyrax81st
This is an example of "condecending" from your previous post. What did you mean by it (if not equalizing force levels) ? or were you just trolling ?

Well I wasnt talking to you in the post you sited, but ok.  You appearently have been around long enough to see players who only have an hour here and there to fly.  I assume you also have been around enough to see how consistant lopsided numbers affect those players.  Nobody wants to have their recreation time to be frustrating.
Fortunately there are also players/squads who would rather not be on the advantaged side because it isnt challenging enough for them, and will switch to the disadvantaged side because of that.  Where is the troll in that?  And why do you have such a problem with that observation?

[wrag]

Originally posted by Steve
lol

I have the impression that YOU SIR seem to have a problem with either my conduct or my flying within AH.

I got this impression from the comments you sent me on the private channel.

As I recall you objected to being shot in the face WHEN YOU flew straight at me from around 2k out.

My thoughts were this is a HO!

After all in every situation prior to this when someone comes right at me NOSE to NOSE they are going to shoot me in the face.  Some even do this with tracers off.

After the 1st pass YOU came right at me straight and level.  I saw NO attempt to evade.  Just right at me.

I fired........

you exploded.

You then private me cursing me and claiming that we were in a 1v1.  A 1v1? I saw 3 of your countrymen just below us engaged with 1 of mine, and dove less then 1k downward and shot one down right after I shot you.  I got your private about then.  I had to evade and run for abit from the other 2.  I still have the pictures of what was said.  Included with those pictures is my response to you and the squelching of further coms from you.

At the time many were having problems with AHII.  I figured that was probably why I got this ill mannered treatment.  I am aware that some of us were rather frustrated with game play.  I also saw your thread claiming you were upset and going to quite this sim.  Bugs needed ironing out etc.  So I did nothing about it extending the benefit of the doubt.

If you SIR have a problem with the manner in which I conduct myself within AH, or a problem with the manner in which I fly in AH......

PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS, TAKE IT UP WITH HTC!

I pay my money and you pay your's.  I see no reason why your money or your attitude should be any more valid then mine or anyone else's.

I have no intention of putting up with being cursed by you or anyone within this community or any other.

I do not have channel 200 tuned for a reason.  Apparently that was noticed by you and yet you still felt the need to private me with your abuse.  It would probably be a bad idea on your part to do so again.

I do not consider your attitude, or your money, or you, to be special, or to give you some privilage, or make you more important then others, in any manner whatsoever.  I add here I do not consider mine any better then anyone else's either.  I do not take my frustration out on others.  Well ... ahh... errrr.... sometimes my squaddies find themselves listening to my rants  SORRY GUYS and thanks for puttin up with me!!!!!!

I asked others about this type of behavior from this individual and gotten comments.  It was recommended to me that due to past expierences by others, I report/send the pictures to HTC, as I said earlier I did not do this.  Thus my above reply.  I hope this settles this matter.

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by Murdr
Well I wasnt talking to you in the post you sited, but ok.  You appearently have been around long enough to see players who only have an hour here and there to fly.  I assume you also have been around enough to see how consistant lopsided numbers affect those players.  Nobody wants to have their recreation time to be frustrating.
Fortunately there are also players/squads who would rather not be on the advantaged side because it isnt challenging enough for them, and will switch to the disadvantaged side because of that.  Where is the troll in that?  And why do you have such a problem with that observation?

Yeow ! This is like nailing jello to the wall.

I don't have a problem with your observation that some players/squads will change sides when they feel like it for WHATEVER reason. I have a problem with you characterizing people who STAY with a country (regardless of temporary lopsided numbers) as not caring about quality of gameplay - which is what you INFERRED. My assertion was (and is) that gameplay is not solely represented by balancing numbers among all countries but by other things that are valued very highly.

Comaraderie being one of them.

...so I will retire from any further discussion on the matter....LOL !

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by rpm371
Hitech, Skuzzy, Pyro, et al.

Why is it 95% of the time there are more Rooks than any other country? I logged on tonight to 260 Rooks vs 170 Knights and 140 Bishops. The game used to be sort of balanced but since the switch it has become obviously lopsided.

I know both Bishops and Knights have won a couple resets, but there needs to be some balancing done by HTC. It is getting very old, very fast.

I don't normally post whines, but this one has some validity. Flame away.

I've seen this hunk of cheese so many times over the last 8-10 yrs that it's become expected.

The problem here is people tend to look into present and not past or future. This rotaion of population happens ALL the time. It may be Rooks with more on their side for several months, then before you know it'll be Bish with the numbers. The second people feel one side has all the numbers they tend to move to the under dog side, which then gives them the numbers and someone else the under dog for a while, and the cycle will go on and on and on.

IN AW it was the same exact whines. Certain players would TRY to apply pressure ott he suits to make it so all sides are equal all the time. TO do so is to force someone to be on a side they don't want to be on to please a few fustrated players. There is NO real logical way to keep things even without taking something away from one paying customer to please another.

You just have to deal with the influx from side to side.

If you are finding yourself in a 10-1 fight then YOU are not properly applying SA. WHY would you allow yourself to fall into an inevitable death? The sky is HUGE, you can see these ten planes coming from how far away? You can't decide within the 2-5 minutes it takes them to reach you that that is not a position you'd like to be in? if you allow yourself to fall intot he grips of 10 blood thirsty pilots, then , honestly, you deserve to die.

Maybe you feel godly and brave flying into it, but the only real way out is in a body bag is that brave or ignorant?

Just sayin

2 cents

Anim

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
I've seen this hunk of cheese so many times over the last 8-10 yrs that it's become expected.

The problem here is people tend to look into present and not past or future. This rotaion of population happens ALL the time. It may be Rooks with more on their side for several months, then before you know it'll be Bish with the numbers. The second people feel one side has all the numbers they tend to move to the under dog side, which then gives them the numbers and someone else the under dog for a while, and the cycle will go on and on and on.

IN AW it was the same exact whines. Certain players would TRY to apply pressure ott he suits to make it so all sides are equal all the time. TO do so is to force someone to be on a side they don't want to be on to please a few fustrated players. There is NO real logical way to keep things even without taking something away from one paying customer to please another.

You just have to deal with the influx from side to side.

If you are finding yourself in a 10-1 fight then YOU are not properly applying SA. WHY would you allow yourself to fall into an inevitable death? The sky is HUGE, you can see these ten planes coming from how far away? You can't decide within the 2-5 minutes it takes them to reach you that that is not a position you'd like to be in? if you allow yourself to fall intot he grips of 10 blood thirsty pilots, then , honestly, you deserve to die.

Maybe you feel godly and brave flying into it, but the only real way out is in a body bag is that brave or ignorant?

Just sayin

2 cents

Anim

Great post Animal! we need this post Sticky'd to the top of this message board before next Sunday so we never have to endure another thread like this again!

Zazen

[Murdr]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
If you are finding yourself in a 10-1 fight then YOU are not properly applying SA. WHY would you allow yourself to fall into an inevitable death? The sky is HUGE, you can see these ten planes coming from how far away? You can't decide within the 2-5 minutes it takes them to reach you that that is not a position you'd like to be in? if you allow yourself to fall intot he grips of 10 blood thirsty pilots, then , honestly, you deserve to die.

I agree with the other stuff you said, but this part, where do you fly? HTH? LOL on these small maps there is almost always some high la7 or pee51 looking to drop 15k on the first red dar dot they see.  Which in turn either corrals ya into his 10 buddies, or ties you up long enough for his buddies to come to you.  All it takes is to engage 1v1 and if it lasts for more that a few turns, you're bait for every cherry picking plane in the sector.